[00:43] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there people
[00:43] <thomasdelbeke> I have my gpg-key now an will try to sign the code of conduct
[00:44] <thomasdelbeke> First things first
[00:44] <thomasdelbeke> I have a hughe gdm bug
[00:44] <thomasdelbeke> it has tons of symptoms
[00:44] <thomasdelbeke> I don't know which ones are important
[00:45] <thomasdelbeke> some help would be appreciated
[00:45] <thomasdelbeke> Most typical = thomas@thomas-laptop:~$ pidof gdm
[00:45] <thomasdelbeke> 5406 5403
[00:45] <thomasdelbeke> thomas@thomas-laptop:~$
[00:45] <bdmurray> thomasdelbeke: what are some of the symptoms?
[00:46] <thomasdelbeke> pidof gdm gives two entries
[00:46] <thomasdelbeke> I noticed the problem on two different machines
[00:46] <bdmurray> and how is that a problem?
[00:46] <thomasdelbeke> both Acer Aspire
[00:46] <hggdh> do a 'ps -ef | grep gdm'
[00:47] <thomasdelbeke> the  and mine, which is:
[00:47] <hggdh> you will find two, one owned by init
[00:47] <hggdh> the other a child of the first
[00:47] <thomasdelbeke> 9410-4933
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> thomas@thomas-laptop:~$ ps -ef | grep gdm
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> root      5403     1  0 00:29 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/gdm
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> root      5406  5403  0 00:29 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/gdm
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> root      5411  5406  5 00:29 tty7     00:00:57 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> thomas    7164  7012  0 00:47 pts/0    00:00:00 grep gdm
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> thomas@thomas-laptop:~$
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[00:48] <hggdh> this is not a problem
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> OK
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> but I have malignant symptoms too
[00:48] <thomasdelbeke> They are:
[00:50] <thomasdelbeke> root@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas# hurestore --usage
[00:50] <thomasdelbeke> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:72: GtkWarning: could not open display
[00:50] <thomasdelbeke>   warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)
[00:50] <thomasdelbeke> Usage: hurestore [-?] [-?|--help] [--usage] [--oaf-ior-fd=FD]
[00:50] <thomasdelbeke>         [--oaf-activate-iid=IID] [--oaf-private] [--disable-sound]
[00:50] <thomasdelbeke>         [--enable-sound] [--espeaker=HOSTNAME:PORT] [--version]
[00:50] <thomasdelbeke>         [--load-modules=MODULE1,MODULE2,...]
[00:50] <thomasdelbeke> This is the error message I got on my current outstanding gedit bug
[00:51] <thomasdelbeke> I opened  it as gedit ...
[00:51] <hggdh> and this happens when you run the command under a terminal in your logged in Gnome session, right?
[00:51] <thomasdelbeke> but it just means I cannot open anything else either
[00:51] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, what is the bug #?
[00:51] <thomasdelbeke> yes, from terminal, as root or as 1000
[00:52] <thomasdelbeke> but also from icons on panel
[00:52] <thomasdelbeke> I will look it up in firefox
[00:52] <thomasdelbeke> please be patient,
[00:52] <thomasdelbeke> firefox does not work correctly
[00:52] <thomasdelbeke> neither does right keypad
[00:52] <hggdh> we are patient. We are also confused right now.
[00:53] <thomasdelbeke> these are two of the other symptoms
[00:53] <thomasdelbeke> one (keypad) filed as a bug already
[00:53] <thomasdelbeke> I go look now
[00:54] <thomasdelbeke> OK, this is one:   	318276
[00:54] <hggdh> bug 218276
[00:54] <thomasdelbeke> now looking for the rest
[00:54] <jmarsden|work> bug 318276
[00:55] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[00:55] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, I am sorry, but I cannot understand what is the problem on the bug
[00:56] <hggdh> hey
[00:56] <hggdh> this is not an Ubuntu bug
[00:56] <bdmurray> thomasdelbeke: it is very important to treat each bug separately
[00:56] <thomasdelbeke> this one is not mine: 218276
[00:56] <bdmurray> there are a lot of confusing and inter mixed issues going on in this bug report
[00:57] <thomasdelbeke> I do not use thunderbird
[00:57] <thomasdelbeke> I know
[00:57] <thomasdelbeke> The problem is that I do not know which package, but I presume all of these are gdm, as display cannot be accessed
[00:58] <thomasdelbeke> you think not???
[01:01] <hggdh> heh. gone
[01:02] <hggdh> I am *very* confused by this bug report
[01:02] <bdmurray> he has some very confusing issues going on
[01:04] <hggdh> the "I voted Adolf" comment in the bug got my attention. And I did not like it
[01:07] <bdmurray> I don't understand what he is trying to accomplish or wants
[01:08] <andresmujica> isn't he a launchpad spammer?
[01:08] <andresmujica> i've seen some " strange " reports from him before...
[01:08] <bdmurray> he isn't sticking viagara adds in there
[01:08] <hggdh> which is good. I guess
[01:09] <bdmurray> but he does have some very confusing problems
[01:10] <thomasdelbeke> Hi
[01:10] <thomasdelbeke> Are you guys still ther
[01:10] <thomasdelbeke> ???
[01:10] <thomasdelbeke> I had to reboot
[01:10] <thomasdelbeke> Because the task bar of firefox disappeared
[01:11] <thomasdelbeke> I could no longer mininmize and only open firfox in full screen mode
[01:11] <bdmurray> thomasdelbeke: yes, you seem to have reported quite a few bugs.  Is this all on the same hardware?
[01:12] <thomasdelbeke> yes, but I was able to verify this on a different acer machine as well
[01:12] <thomasdelbeke> the 5050
[01:12] <thomasdelbeke> but only some of these, as I do not own that machine
[01:13] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, please stick to ONE issue at a time
[01:13] <thomasdelbeke> OK
[01:13] <thomasdelbeke> but the thing is
[01:13] <thomasdelbeke> I am not a programmer
[01:14] <thomasdelbeke> and I do not know the cause of these display problems
[01:14] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, please start by stating what is the issue
[01:14] <thomasdelbeke> so I do not know if it is one bug
[01:14] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[01:14] <thomasdelbeke> list of symptoms:
[01:14] <greg-g> thomasdelbeke: are your last comments on that bug pretty much your summary of the issue?
[01:14] <thomasdelbeke> which one bug?
[01:15] <thomasdelbeke> gedit or xserver-xorg (keypad)???
[01:15] <andresmujica> bug 318276
[01:15] <andresmujica> you said that's solved now
[01:16] <thomasdelbeke> no
[01:16] <greg-g> yes, sorry, I was looking at the xorg bug. I came in during the middle of this discussion. My appologies.
[01:16] <andresmujica> with VGA driver thing?
[01:16] <thomasdelbeke> that is not my bug
[01:16] <greg-g> the names match
[01:17] <hggdh> OK. Please give us the bug # we will be talking about now
[01:17] <thomasdelbeke> but i do indeed have a VGA issue
[01:17] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[01:17] <thomasdelbeke> this is the gedit one: 311237
[01:17] <thomasdelbeke> I posted it as gedit
[01:18] <andresmujica> bug 311237
[01:18] <thomasdelbeke> but it is about the magic cookie
[01:18] <thomasdelbeke> ye indeed
[01:18] <thomasdelbeke> that bug
[01:18] <thomasdelbeke> magic cookie "cannot ad display"
[01:18] <hggdh> correctly displayed. You had su - to root
[01:19] <hggdh> under your X session
[01:19] <thomasdelbeke> what do you mean?
[01:19] <hggdh> root@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas# gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:20] <thomasdelbeke> I think that something in ubuntu changes something in my BIOS
[01:20] <hggdh> is this still the problem with gedit?
[01:20] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[01:20] <thomasdelbeke> thomas@thomas-laptop:~$ sudo su
[01:20] <thomasdelbeke> [sudo] password for thomas:
[01:20] <thomasdelbeke> root@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas# pidof gdm
[01:20] <thomasdelbeke> 5144 5141
[01:20] <thomasdelbeke> root@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)]/ intrepid main restricted
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> # newer versions of the distribution.
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## distribution.
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[01:21] <hggdh> damn
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates universe
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## security team.
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates multiverse
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports'
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## repository.
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> # deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> # deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
[01:21] <thomasdelbeke> ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> ## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> ## users.
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-security main restricted
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-security restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-security universe
[01:22] <andresmujica> thomasdelbeke: Please WAIT....  use pastebin
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-proposed restricted main multiverse universe
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-proposed restricted main multiverse universe
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports restricted main multiverse universe
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports restricted main multiverse universe
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-security multiverse
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> root@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas#
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> but not just gedit
[01:22] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, do *NOT* paste this again!!
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> that was what I said
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> what damn?
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> You wanted /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> I misunderstood?
[01:22] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, instead, use pastenbin
[01:22] <andresmujica> pls use pastebin for that kind of things..
[01:22] <hggdh> !pastebin
[01:22] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[01:23] <andresmujica> also.  it seems that you're giving a lot of info,
[01:23] <andresmujica> what i've got so far
[01:23] <hggdh> and, anyways, I have *NO* idea of what the sources.list has to do with gedit
[01:23] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[01:23] <thomasdelbeke> sorry about that
[01:23] <thomasdelbeke> no
[01:24] <andresmujica> is that you believe that Ubuntu modified your BIOS and it's causing issues with intel driver and Xorg not executing gui apps... ???
[01:24] <thomasdelbeke> somebody said gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <thomasdelbeke> so I presumed you wanted to see my repos
[01:24] <thomasdelbeke> sorry
[01:24] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, I was showing you your own text in the gedit bug
[01:24] <greg-g> andresmujica: different bug, actually
[01:24] <thomasdelbeke> ok sorry again
[01:25] <thomasdelbeke> yes my bios is altered
[01:25] <andresmujica> greg-g: it seems that he's mixing both of them.. don't know for sure...
[01:25] <thomasdelbeke> I know that from the live cd
[01:25] <greg-g> andresmujica: most likely.
[01:25] <thomasdelbeke> I could sometimes start in safe graphics mode
[01:25] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, by the way, you should refrain from opening a root shell. This is not a good idea, for your own security
[01:25] <thomasdelbeke> sometimes this option had disappeared
[01:26] <bdmurray> thomasdelbeke: yes, why do you use 'sudo su' so much?
[01:26] <thomasdelbeke> oh yeah
[01:26] <thomasdelbeke> don't use the name of root in vain
[01:26] <hggdh> actually, do not be root in vain
[01:26] <thomasdelbeke> I always have a root and a $USER open at same time
[01:27] <thomasdelbeke> yes correct hggdh
[01:27] <bdmurray> why?
[01:27] <thomasdelbeke> i pick one for each command
[01:27] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, this is really not a good idea. The chances of a mistake are much increased
[01:27] <thomasdelbeke> ok thanks for the tip
[01:28] <hggdh> if you try to run a X application from the root shell, it will fail.
[01:28] <thomasdelbeke> The thing was I had an extreme pwd
[01:28] <thomasdelbeke> and it made it very difficult to always type that in
[01:28] <thomasdelbeke> I will follow your advice there
[01:28] <thomasdelbeke> oh
[01:29] <thomasdelbeke> but the (gedit and all other gui things)
[01:29] <thomasdelbeke> I do not use from the terminal
[01:30] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, back to the gedit issue: (1) open a NEW terminal; (2) on this terminal, type 'gedit whatever'; does gedit open?
[01:30] <thomasdelbeke> I just click on the icons
[01:30] <thomasdelbeke> yes know I do not have problems in this particular partition
[01:30] <thomasdelbeke> The thing is:
[01:30] <hggdh> so bug 311237 can be closed?
[01:30] <thomasdelbeke> on the live cd I had
[01:30] <thomasdelbeke> no
[01:31] <thomasdelbeke> in the other partition the problem still exists
[01:31] <hggdh> ???
[01:31] <thomasdelbeke> I reinstalled that partition
[01:31] <thomasdelbeke> whithout formatting
[01:31] <hggdh> what other partition?
[01:31] <thomasdelbeke> it did not go away
[01:31] <thomasdelbeke> also 8.10
[01:31] <hggdh> hold on
[01:32] <thomasdelbeke> this is a temporary one
[01:32] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[01:32] <thomasdelbeke> I am holding on
[01:32] <hggdh> are you telling us you reinstalled 8.10 over an already-installed Ubuntu?
[01:32] <hggdh> without reformatting the disk?
[01:32] <thomasdelbeke> not this one
[01:32] <thomasdelbeke> that is what I did first yes
[01:32] <thomasdelbeke> but the problem maintained
[01:33] <thomasdelbeke> so I reformatted now
[01:33] <thomasdelbeke> the other partition
[01:33] <thomasdelbeke> this is a new and temporary one
[01:33] <thomasdelbeke> to be upgraded to jaunty
[01:33] <andresmujica> pls execute from a terminal   sudo fdisk -l and put it in pastebin.
[01:33] <thomasdelbeke> through update-manager -c -d
[01:34] <thomasdelbeke> ok, i am on it
[01:34] <andresmujica> rember
[01:34] <andresmujica> !pastebin
[01:34] <hggdh> oy vey
[01:35] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/108824/
[01:35] <thomasdelbeke> like this?
[01:36] <thomasdelbeke> I noticed that I could "cure" some of my symptoms
[01:36] <thomasdelbeke> by reinstalling VGA driver in XP
[01:36] <thomasdelbeke> likewise in 5050
[01:37] <thomasdelbeke> that is on a different partition!
[01:37] <andresmujica> that would be bug #318276 right?  the VGA driver in XP
[01:37] <thomasdelbeke> the only way I can see that happen is when the BIOS is altered
[01:37] <thomasdelbeke> no
[01:38] <thomasdelbeke> that one is not mine
[01:38] <andresmujica> hmmm???
[01:39] <andresmujica> (19:54:21) thomasdelbeke:
[01:39] <andresmujica> OK, this is one:    318276
[01:39] <thomasdelbeke> I have: 311237 318276
[01:39] <thomasdelbeke> yes that one
[01:39] <thomasdelbeke> and a few others
[01:39] <thomasdelbeke> Tormod Volden pointed out to me first that the BIOS is crap
[01:39] <thomasdelbeke> he is right
[01:40] <thomasdelbeke> but I reflashed with the latest BIOS
[01:40] <thomasdelbeke> there is no alternative
[01:40] <thomasdelbeke> OpenBIOS and u-boot and such won't work people say
[01:41] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, are we still talking about gedit?
[01:41] <thomasdelbeke> no, like I told you, I named the bug gedit, but the symptom there was that every gui failed to open
[01:42] <thomasdelbeke> also firefox, update-manager
[01:42] <hggdh> how did you start them? From the icons?
[01:42] <thomasdelbeke> it was the Magic cookie .. deprecated ...
[01:42] <thomasdelbeke> yes from icons
[01:42] <thomasdelbeke> I apologise if I flouded that gedit thing
[01:43] <thomasdelbeke> I can repeat it though
[01:43] <thomasdelbeke> If you can tell me what you need
[01:43] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, please do the following: (1) close *all* terminals; (2) click on a programme shown as an icon
[01:43] <thomasdelbeke> I can do it from the live CD
[01:43] <hggdh> does it work?
[01:44] <thomasdelbeke> now off course, I am working from a stable and fully updated partition, but my other partition is bust, although also a harddisk partition, with an intact file system
[01:45] <thomasdelbeke> that is the strange stuff there
[01:45] <hggdh> does it work? The answer should be an 'yes' or 'no'
[01:45] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[01:45] <andresmujica> the home on both installations is different, right?
[01:45] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[01:45] <andresmujica> ok,
[01:45] <hggdh> andresmujica, good catch
[01:46] <andresmujica> get your data from the bad partition
[01:46] <andresmujica> and move it to your good installation
[01:46] <thomasdelbeke> the other worked fine five minutes before I contacted you
[01:46] <andresmujica> and remove the bad partition
[01:46] <andresmujica> and you'll be fine!
[01:46] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, can you please pastebin the output of 'mount'?
[01:46] <thomasdelbeke> ok i will patebin
[01:46] <thomasdelbeke> sorry i type slow
[01:46] <thomasdelbeke> but no I will not be fine
[01:47] <thomasdelbeke> I just ran on the other partition:
[01:47] <andresmujica> yes, you'll have a lot more space available!!
[01:47] <thomasdelbeke> dar -x <file>.dar
[01:47] <thomasdelbeke> that is what triggered it
[01:47] <andresmujica> thomasdelbeke, can you please pastebin the output of 'mount'?
[01:55]  * hggdh considers getting karma by attaching files to bugs
[02:02] <thomasdelbeke> Hi ther
[02:03] <thomasdelbeke> Is this the channel?
[02:03] <thomasdelbeke> Sorry,
[02:03] <thomasdelbeke> one of my housemates pulled the switch
[02:03] <thomasdelbeke> then network-manager crashes
[02:04] <thomasdelbeke> I am now in my sick partition
[02:04] <thomasdelbeke> firefox does not work correctly
[02:05] <thomasdelbeke> is there a standalone irc client in main?
[02:05] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there hggdh
[02:06] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, I am here
[02:06] <thomasdelbeke> Ok
[02:06] <thomasdelbeke> I am now in my sick partition
[02:06] <thomasdelbeke> I was stopped because my housemate turned the modem switch
[02:06] <thomasdelbeke> sorry about that
[02:07] <hggdh> I do not know what irc clients are in main
[02:07] <thomasdelbeke> oh thanks
[02:07] <thomasdelbeke> I now do pastebin
[02:07] <thomasdelbeke> !pastebin
[02:07] <thomasdelbeke> no not working
[02:07] <thomasdelbeke> sigh
[02:08] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, so you have three partitions: one Windows, and two linux.
[02:09] <hggdh> the Linux systems, do they see each other's partitions?
[02:09] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/108835/
[02:11] <lfaraone> Hey, bug 320440 is blocking the packaging of an application that is a core component of a desktop enviornment (Sugar, spesifically the "sugar-write-acitivity"). I think it's technically wishlist, but can I put it higher since it's kinda important to a now-dropped package?
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> correct
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> pastebin still opens in firefox
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> I just installed epiphany
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> this is not sick
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> you want me to test something now
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> I have one #root and one $USER
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> gnome-terminal that is (open)
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> I now have the keypad problem again
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> this was not there anymore after I reinstalled with reformatting
[02:12] <thomasdelbeke> also the 'sick' firefox went away (not the all gui do not open)
[02:12] <greg-g> lfaraone: shouldn't really matter what the importance is set to, if it is an issue to build another package it should be done anyways (and then the conversation should be in #ubuntu-motu ;) )
[02:13] <thomasdelbeke> after dar -x <my file>
[02:13] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:13] <thomasdelbeke> you found the pastebin?
[02:13] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, CLOSE the root session. Please learn to live without root (or use sudo, but *NOT* 'sudo su -')
[02:14] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[02:14] <thomasdelbeke> root down
[02:14] <hggdh> yes, you provided the link
[02:14] <thomasdelbeke> thomas@thomas-laptop:~$ pidof su
[02:14] <thomasdelbeke> thomas@thomas-laptop:~$
[02:14] <thomasdelbeke> thomas@thomas-laptop:~$ I will be good boy
[02:14] <thomasdelbeke> swell
[02:15] <thomasdelbeke> Yes the partitions see each other
[02:15] <thomasdelbeke> I had errors with the ntfs ones
[02:15] <thomasdelbeke> That is both my hard disk one
[02:16] <thomasdelbeke> and two backup drives
[02:16] <thomasdelbeke> I installed mount manager
[02:16] <thomasdelbeke> disk manager
[02:16] <thomasdelbeke> I do that from gui now
[02:16] <hggdh> k
[02:17] <hggdh> so you are now running off the bad partition, correct?
[02:17] <thomasdelbeke> I used mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk before ..
[02:17] <thomasdelbeke> yes this is the bad partition
[02:17] <thomasdelbeke> but it became bad without installing anything
[02:17] <hggdh> you used 'mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk' when you were booted in the good patition, correct?
[02:17] <thomasdelbeke> that is weird
[02:18] <thomasdelbeke> no
[02:18] <thomasdelbeke> I have not used it for ages
[02:18] <thomasdelbeke> I used it before reformatting (ages ago)
[02:18] <hggdh> ok
[02:18] <thomasdelbeke> now only gui
[02:19] <hggdh> so you reformatted the bad partition and reinstalled Linux 8.10. Correct?
[02:19] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:19] <hggdh> did you install *ANYTHING* else (apart from standard Ubuntu packages)?
[02:19] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:19] <thomasdelbeke> skype
[02:19] <thomasdelbeke> virtualbox-
[02:20] <thomasdelbeke> virtualbox-2.1
[02:20] <thomasdelbeke> sorry (right keypad)
[02:20] <thomasdelbeke> and freespeak
[02:20] <thomasdelbeke> freespeak is in main
[02:20] <thomasdelbeke> but does not work anymore
[02:20] <hggdh> OK. Skype is from skype.com, vbox 2.1 from Sun or from Ubuntu?
[02:20] <thomasdelbeke> it is 1.0.something
[02:21] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:21] <hggdh> yes what?
[02:21] <thomasdelbeke> sun virtualbox for 8.10
[02:21] <hggdh> k
[02:21] <thomasdelbeke> and skype debian 8.04+
[02:21] <hggdh> do you have any images installed for vbox?
[02:21] <thomasdelbeke> not now
[02:21] <hggdh> good
[02:21] <thomasdelbeke> I deleted my last one
[02:22] <thomasdelbeke> I cannot use virtualbox-ose
[02:22] <thomasdelbeke> I need USB for printer
[02:22] <thomasdelbeke> I previously had Lexmark under wine
[02:22] <hggdh> so you installed 8.10 there. Then installed 2 non-ubuntu apps; and everything was fine
[02:22] <hggdh> correct?
[02:22] <thomasdelbeke> I go check now if ./.wine is there
[02:23] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:23] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, please answer the questions, and wait for us to ask for something
[02:23] <thomasdelbeke> ok sorry
[02:23] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:24] <thomasdelbeke> everything was fine
[02:24] <hggdh> then you rebooted/powered off, and -- suddenly -- the system went bad. Correct?
[02:24] <thomasdelbeke> no
[02:24] <hggdh> how did it go bad?
[02:24] <thomasdelbeke> It went bad before rebooting
[02:24] <thomasdelbeke> I did cd ./folder-of-dar-file
[02:24] <hggdh> and you were *NOT* root doing something, or were you?
[02:24] <hggdh> oh
[02:25] <hggdh> you run dar, and the system goes bad
[02:25] <thomasdelbeke> then i did #root dar
[02:25] <thomasdelbeke> yes exactly
[02:25] <thomasdelbeke> but not right away
[02:25] <thomasdelbeke> first dar finished fine
[02:25] <greg-g> again, please don't use the root account
[02:25] <hggdh> (this will sound a bit psychoanalysis): why do you need root so much?
[02:26] <thomasdelbeke> but nothing was restored
[02:26] <thomasdelbeke> I rebooted, still everything fine
[02:26] <thomasdelbeke> nothing restored
[02:26] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, you just told us it went bad when you ran dar
[02:26] <hggdh> before reboot
[02:26] <thomasdelbeke> I looked in folder-of-dar-file
[02:26] <thomasdelbeke> ther it was restored
[02:26] <thomasdelbeke> I did ctrl+A
[02:27] <thomasdelbeke> then control + select dar-file
[02:27] <thomasdelbeke> then ctrl+x
[02:27] <thomasdelbeke> pasted into /home/thomas
[02:27] <hggdh> hold
[02:27] <thomasdelbeke> clicked merge all
[02:27] <hggdh> hold hold hold hold
[02:27] <thomasdelbeke> replace all
[02:27] <thomasdelbeke> ok I hold
[02:28] <thomasdelbeke> but THEN all went bad
[02:28] <hggdh> what did you have in this dar backup?
[02:28] <thomasdelbeke> mainly data
[02:28] <thomasdelbeke> .iso of scanned images
[02:28] <hggdh> would, per chance, your home directory also be there?
[02:28] <thomasdelbeke> but also spider program
[02:28] <thomasdelbeke> from canonical support
[02:29] <thomasdelbeke> but it was not set executable
[02:29] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, would, per chance, your home directory also be there?
[02:29] <thomasdelbeke> also a freespeak git folder
[02:29] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:29] <thomasdelbeke> exactly
[02:29] <hggdh> thank you. the DA rests
[02:30] <thomasdelbeke> dar is backend for hurestore
[02:30] <hggdh> (the DA stands up again)
[02:30] <thomasdelbeke> what do you mean defence attorney
[02:30] <thomasdelbeke> ???
[02:30] <thomasdelbeke> I was bad?
[02:30] <thomasdelbeke> evil?
[02:30] <hggdh> district attorney. accusation, not defence
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[02:30] <hggdh> ;-)
[02:31] <hggdh> the /home/thomas in the dar backup was a full backup of your home?
[02:31] <thomasdelbeke> now
[02:31] <thomasdelbeke> minus temporary files music video
[02:31] <hggdh> k
[02:32] <hggdh> you just overwrote a series of configuration files you had on your new "home"
[02:32] <thomasdelbeke> yes
[02:32] <thomasdelbeke> like .gvfs
[02:32] <hggdh> usually, this is a Very Bad Move (TM)
[02:32] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[02:32] <hggdh> .gconf, .gnome, etc
[02:33] <thomasdelbeke> I was just stupid, not evil
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[02:33] <hggdh> LOL
[02:33] <hggdh> there is a good chance this is what hosed your session
[02:33] <thomasdelbeke> I agree now
[02:33] <thomasdelbeke> <little smarter>
[02:33] <hggdh> if you can create a brand new account, and login to it, you can test it
[02:33] <thomasdelbeke> I will
[02:34] <thomasdelbeke> just one problem:
[02:34] <thomasdelbeke> I will have to file a bug against dar
[02:34] <thomasdelbeke> because:
[02:34] <hggdh> nope
[02:34] <thomasdelbeke> I did this
[02:34] <thomasdelbeke> cd ./folderofdar
[02:34] <thomasdelbeke> because it did not work
[02:34] <thomasdelbeke> as in man dar
[02:35] <hggdh> ah, ok
[02:35] <thomasdelbeke> it refused to follow path/<dar-file>
[02:35] <thomasdelbeke> I improvised ...
[02:35] <thomasdelbeke> badly
[02:35] <hggdh> but, first: create a new account, log in to it, and test. Then please report back
[02:35] <hggdh> one issue at a time, thomasdelbeke
[02:35] <thomasdelbeke> I will now
[02:36] <thomasdelbeke> sorry for your time
[02:36] <hggdh> no problem
[02:36] <thomasdelbeke> ok see you later
[02:36] <hggdh> we have not yet verified this is the issue
[02:36] <thomasdelbeke> I will verify this
[02:36] <hggdh> thomasdelbeke, we will be here
[02:36] <hggdh> good luck
[02:36] <thomasdelbeke> ok cheers
[02:37] <hggdh> oy vey iz mir...
[02:39] <andresmujica> humm, it seems i missed the best part... .   ohh my internet connection doesn't like me...
[02:41] <hggdh> heh
[02:46] <greg-g> well done hggdh.
[02:46] <hggdh> there really should be a feedback thingy to shock one every time one goes 'sudo su -'
[02:46] <hggdh> greg-g, thanks. I hope I earned some goodwill bonus
[02:47] <greg-g> you get a Patience of Steel badge from me.
[02:47] <greg-g> :)
[02:49] <hggdh> :-)
[04:09] <lfaraone> Hi, when I press "fn+F3" (displays battery info) it seems the key is "stuck", ie "powerinfo" spawns continously until I press another key. Afterward, menues do not open and the system does not accept keyboard input, it seems, at all, until I switch to a TTY and back. Any idea what component to file this against?
[04:12] <greg-g> lfaraone: linux
[04:15] <lfaraone> greg-g: ah, kk.
[04:21] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there
[04:21] <thomasdelbeke> Is hgddh there still?
[04:27] <lfaraone> greg-g: bug 261721 seems to have the _exact_ same symptoms as what I am experiencing, although with a different key. think it's the same bug? (and I'm still not clear on why it's marked "invalid" in all series and "fix committed" on the Intrepid subsection)
[04:28]  * greg-g looks
[04:29] <lfaraone> greg-g: bug 282963 is worded better in the desc, but is a dupe of the bug I mentioned.
[04:31] <greg-g> hmm
[04:31] <greg-g> lfaraone: are you using the same hardware (seems to be a dell laptop)?
[04:32] <lfaraone> greg-g: yes, Dell XPS M1330 :)
[04:33] <greg-g> hmm
[04:33] <greg-g> lfaraone: you could ask superm1 about it
[04:34] <lfaraone> greg-g: kk.
[04:35] <greg-g> but of course, don't expect a quick reply as it is Friday night in his timezone
[04:36] <lfaraone> greg-g: same here on EST :)
[04:37]  * greg-g is also EST ;)
[04:37] <lfaraone> greg-g: would it be bad form to PM, should I ask in -motu/-devel, or is it not a problem?
[04:38] <greg-g> lfaraone: in -devel is probably ok.  Just a quick "hey, what is the status of this bug for Dell machines? I'm experiencing it with Intrepid with updates"
[04:39] <greg-g> you do have the intrepid-updates repository enabled right?
[04:39] <lfaraone> greg-g: -updates, yes, -proposed, no.
[04:39] <greg-g> thats fine.
[04:41]  * greg-g heads out
[04:41] <lfaraone> greg-g: see ya!
[04:41] <lfaraone> greg-g: thanks for your help.
[04:41] <greg-g> no worries
[05:35] <calc> bdmurray: is there any way to make the graphs generated for bryce's plots not go below 0?
[05:35] <calc> bdmurray: my graphs currently show up to -50 bugs on some of them, heh
[08:25] <mangilimic> HI. I'm triaging a bug and I've got a doubt. The bug is #230127 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-recorder/+bug/230127). I know that sound-recorder is not the right package for this report, infact the user is complaining about gnome-sound-recorder which belongs to package gnome-media. At the same time I suppose that this is NOT a gnome-media issue but a hardware problem. Maybe alsa. What sould I do? Thanks.
[09:07] <persia> mangilimic, I'd agree with you.  Try using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems to dig into the bug, and understand the issue.
[09:07] <mangilimic> thanks
[09:08] <persia> Note that it might be a gnome-sound-recorder bug, but there's a bit of digging to do first.
[09:09] <mangilimic> ok, I'll ask the user for more information
[09:16] <orogor> hi here
[09:16] <orogor> i have daily system freeze, anyone know how i could debug that without another computer on the network ?
[09:16] <orogor> i as thinking maybe kexec would help
[09:17] <BUGabundo> orogor: do your logs show anythingusefull?
[09:17] <persia> orogor, Is the kernel crashing, or just hanging?  Do you get an OOPS?
[09:18] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies has some further hints to troubleshoot kernel stuff (especially https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash)
[09:19] <orogor> it doesnt  actually crashes, just freeeze
[09:19] <orogor> sound card and tv card still works for instance
[09:20] <orogor> most of the time the mouse can still be moved around i guerss dues to nvidia hardware acceleration for mouse
[09:20] <orogor> but keyboard doesn t respond, numlock doesn t make light switch colors
[09:21] <persia> Check /var/log/messages for reports from the Nvidia driver (ought still be there after reboot).
[09:21] <orogor> globally it can stays like this for hours , unless i reboot it (in fact it does , often i get back from work with my system frozen)
[09:21] <persia> Freeze with NVidia drivers with working mouse was a long-standing bug for a while.
[09:22] <orogor> got that http://rafb.net/p/GhqTfO40.html
[09:25] <persia> Not, not a grep.  There's debug messages.  maybe "NID"?
[09:25] <persia> Or XID?
[09:26] <persia> Yes.  "Xid".
[09:27] <persia> Anyway, if you have those, it's not something that can usually be fixed in Ubuntu, and I'd recommend checking the nvnews.net forums.
[09:27] <persia> If you have a different problem, it would benefit from more investigation.
[09:28] <orogor> grep for Xid returns nothing
[09:54] <BUGabundo1> where would I find pulseaudio logs?
[09:55] <BUGabundo1> bug 317897 is getting annoying!
[10:24] <persia> orogor, Ah, then maybe you found a new bug.
[10:25] <orogor> want i try to upgrazde to intrepide?
[10:26] <orogor> btw i dont know how to upgrade from major versiosn , i was running , gentoo before and it didnt have this notion of major versions
[10:26] <persia> orogor, It may help, but it may not.  I'm not sure.
[10:27] <persia> You can upgrade with Upgrade Manager: I forget where the instructions for hardy->intrepid are, but I'm sure someone in #ubuntu knows.
[10:28] <orogor> nevermind i found em on the web
[11:13]  * Elbrus is debugging Debian bug BTS 511505 (in winff) but has no experience in debugging. Can somebody point in the right direction?
[11:13] <Elbrus> The bug includes a strace log.
[11:22] <persia> Debian bug #511505
[11:25] <persia> Elbrus, That's a hard one.  As it doesn't actually crash, but rather runs forever without working.
[11:25] <persia> You'd need to try to understand the point of failure from looking at the strace to try to find a loop.
[11:26] <persia> The original reporter seemed to have a crash, which would be easier, because running that under gdb could get a stacktrace (different from syscalltrace) that would pinpoint the crash.
[11:27] <persia> One way you might test a possible missing dependency is to build a chroot or VM with an absolute minimum set of packages (`debootstrap --variant=minbase`), and then install winff to get the smallest set of acceptable packages that may be installed.
[11:28] <Elbrus> persia: thanks, so I should as the reporter to run under gdb? And the strange thing is that initially he had a crash, while running under strance it ran forever
[11:28] <Elbrus> persia: I did that, but it didn't give me any problems (if I did it correctly, using schroot)
[11:28] <persia> Elbrus, I'd try to reproduce with a bit of effort first, just because it's hard to debug remotely.
[11:29] <persia> To get a useful stacktrace, the package would need to either be built with symbols (and maybe the underlying libraries built with symbols), or you'd have to be able to reconstruct the symbols later.
[11:30] <persia> Because binaries in Debian are stripped by default, and the symbols are not preserved, this means the package will change by the recompile, which may affect it.
[11:30] <persia> If you can reproduce it in a minimal environment, then you have a better chance of playing with rebuilds and determining if it is fixed.
[11:30] <Elbrus> persia: the problem is I am not much of a programmer, but only the maintainer, I really have to learn this, but don't know where to start.
[11:30] <persia> If you really can't reproduce it, then you could ask the submitter to do that, but it's a bit of work.
[11:30] <Elbrus> I understand
[11:31] <Elbrus> how about problems with different architectures?
[11:31] <persia> Well, part of being a maintainer is doing the tracking down of the bugs :)  If you can identify the problem, even if you don't understand the code well enough to fix it, you can at least provide upstream with a clear, targeted report.
[11:31] <Elbrus> right
[11:32] <Elbrus> that is also why I said I need to learn it :)
[11:32] <persia> There are certainly architecture-specific issues that happen sometimes.  Of course, the best solution is to have all the architectures, but most of us don't have that luxury :)
[11:33] <persia> First try to reproduce on your architecture, in a pristine environment.  If that repeatedly fails, then you may need to work remotely, or ask someone else with the target architecture for help.
[11:33]  * Elbrus definitely doesn't have the luxury.
[11:33] <Elbrus> ok, will procede as you suggest
[11:33] <persia> I only know of 4-5 people who did that, so you're in the majority :)
[11:34] <whatisneveritis1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/265000
[11:34] <whatisneveritis1> how do you guys handle such bug reports?
[11:35] <persia> Well, credit for a good bug number :)
[11:36] <whatisneveritis1> ;)
[11:36] <persia> There's no good way to handle those, unfortunately.
[11:37] <whatisneveritis1> can't it be closed?
[11:37] <persia> I'd recommend asking the submitter to detail exactly which applications are running slow, the means by which they are measuring the speed of the applications, and against what other system they are comparing it.
[11:37] <persia> They won't be able to answer that (or if they do, it becomes useful), and it can be closed for lack of information.
[11:38] <persia> It could well be any of all sorts of issues, even just thrashing against swap because of the amount of memory in the system.
[11:38] <persia> Actually, that's probably another good set of questions: how much memory, which processor, how is swap configured, etc.
[11:39] <whatisneveritis1> yeah all good ideas
[11:39] <persia> In essence, I think it's better to overwhelm the submitter with requests for information in an attempt to understand the bug then just tell them it's a compeltely useless bug report.
[11:40] <persia> If they can't provide the information, then unfortunately we'll have to close the report for lack of information, but it sends the submitter in the right direction in the future.
[11:40] <persia> It also shows up in the "bugs like this" when reporting a new bug, so the next person reporting "PC is slow!" can see the set of questions, and may try to get more information before filing a bug (or at least we can hope).
[11:41] <whatisneveritis1> great
[11:42] <tuxmaniac> whatisneveritis1: btw, I see it is on Hardy :-)
[11:42] <persia> whatisneveritis1, Good luck with this one.  I suspect it will be yours for a couple months until enough time has passed to close it for insufficient information.
[11:42] <tuxmaniac> whatisneveritis1: the first thing would be whether he is experiencing the same on Intrepid. :-)
[11:42] <persia> Now that's an interesting question too :)
[11:43] <persia> Of course, with a report this useless, even an answer of "yes" to "Does it happen on intrepid" doesn't help solve the bug.
[11:49] <whatisneveritis1> done. thanks for help.
[11:52] <persia> No problem.  Thanks for braving one of the hard bugs.
[11:54] <whatisneveritis1> I was actually hoping to code. But there you go learnt how to handle an impossibly "hard" but instead.
[13:22] <mangilimic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/320770
[13:22] <mangilimic> From the report attached by the user I can see that Master 0 volume for Card hw:0 'Live'/'SB Live 5.1 [SB0220] is muted.
[13:22] <mangilimic>   Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [off]   Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [off]
[13:23] <savvas> hm.. why does ubottu parse +text and not the feed ?
[13:23] <mangilimic> Is it correct? (I've never seen a sound debug report before...) Thanks
[13:24] <persia> savvas, Historical reasons.
[13:25] <savvas> but http://feeds.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/320770/bug.atom must be way faster to read :P
[13:25] <savvas> and I stand corrected
[13:25] <persia> mangilimic, Given the description of the bug, I suspect the user doesn't know it's muted: it may be appropriate to convert it to a question.
[13:25] <savvas> lol
[13:26] <mangilimic> persia, I thought the same! :)
[13:27] <savvas> persia: another question: do you know a reason why gnome-sharp2 depends on gnome-sharp2-examples?
[13:28] <persia> savvas, I don't.
[13:29] <savvas> I think I'll file a bug report on that
[13:29] <persia> Well, check first.
[13:29] <persia> There might be some explanantion in the documentation or the changelog.
[13:30]  * savvas looks
[13:35] <savvas> ah wait, dummy package, my fault
[15:17] <Elbrus> james-w: would you mind commenting on bug 304249 (you proposed to sponsor my debdiff some time ago)
[16:22] <lfaraone> Hey, how do I trigger the "foo failed to install or upgrade" notice? It seems to have disappeared after I dismissed it initialy.
[16:24] <gourgi> which action one needs to take to "close" a bug if the reporter says it is fixed? should the bug marked as "fix released"
[16:25] <lfaraone> gourgi: if it isn't linked to a spesific fix, invalid.
[16:27] <gourgi> lfaraone ty
[16:29] <lfaraone> gourgi: any time.
[16:31] <lfaraone> Bug 272450 is currently listed as medium, should it be higher since it causes the package to be uninstallable?
[16:31] <persia> gourgi, If it's understood why it's fixed, it can be marked Fix Released, but please reference the relevant changelog entry, or other evidence that it was fixed.
[16:33] <lfaraone> Hey, is ubuntu-MID canonical supported/
[16:33] <lfaraone> *?
[16:35] <james_w> lfaraone: you can use apport-cli to get the upgrade failure notice back I believe
[16:35] <james_w> look in /var/crash
[16:36] <james_w> as for the severity, it depends on the problem, if it happens to everyone then yes, it should probably be raised, if it only happens to those that have an unusual system then perhaps not.
[16:37] <lfaraone> james_w: _everyone_ using the package, afaict.
[16:37] <james_w> it probably worth raising the importance then
[16:37] <lfaraone> james_w: apport still claims there are no crash reports.
[16:38] <persia> Erm, that's my bug.  I'll go fix it.  Sorry.
[16:39] <lfaraone> james_w: and it's a idioticly simple fix: add #!/bin/sh to the script.
[16:39] <james_w> lfaraone: did you tell it to open a crash report?
[16:40] <lfaraone> james_w: yes, and it failed becaus I no can haz internet connectivity at the time.
[16:41] <james_w> lfaraone: no, I mean did you point apport-cli at a crash report?
[16:41] <james_w> it will have been marked as seen by you now, so you need to explicitly tell it to deal with that report again
[16:42] <lfaraone> james_w: ah.
[16:48] <lfaraone> persia: thanks.
[16:50] <persia> lfaraone, Thanks for raising it: it was a silly mistake on my part.
[16:54] <lfaraone> persia: tis OK, we all make them.
[20:35] <allquixotic> Hello! It would appear that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysprof/+bug/272204 is in limbo. Can anyone advise as to what the next step in the fix process might be? I've pushed through the SRU process before, but I'm not sure whether that's waiting on upstream, or a debdiff, or what. Got a user in #ubuntu trying to build sysprof-module on x86_64.
[20:48] <hggdh> allquixotic, the last comment clearly states what is needed to be done
[22:41] <Laibsch> Can somebody please take a look at bug 254228?  It is a fairly important bug that affects all sqlite3-based programs.  There is a fix out there that needs some review.
[23:22] <nixternal> tjaalton: bug #320821 is not a duplicate of bug #320690 - on a couple of X related bugs they were incorrectly marked as duplicates of other X bugs by you, could you please review the reports a little deeper and if in doubt please do not hesitate to ask...thanks
[23:22] <tjaalton> nixternal: I just uploaded a fix for that'
[23:23] <nixternal> mesa is not the issue for crashing back to gdm though
[23:23] <nixternal> that is specifically an intel issue
[23:23] <tjaalton> and it fixed the problem for two guys with totally different symptoms
[23:23] <tjaalton> yes it was
[23:23] <tjaalton> mesa has the DRI driver
[23:23] <tjaalton> compiz uses it extensively
[23:24] <nixternal> umm, the issue is also occuring in Kubuntu - so it isn't related to gnome, gdm, or compiz
[23:24] <nixternal> it is intel
[23:25] <tjaalton> whatever, I'm going to bed
[23:25] <nixternal> nice