mib_95abugt7can you give me an ETA for a package to be built in the main archive?00:08
cody-somervillemib_95abugt7, not without the name of the package00:09
ScottKMy estimate is two days.00:10
mib_95abugt7cody-somerville: xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.6.1-1ubuntu1 is the package00:10
ScottKcody-somerville: We can give an estimate.  I just won't be very accurate.00:10
mib_95abugt7no problem, I just want to know if it'll be soon, or I'll have to wait up to tomorrow00:11
mib_95abugt7or maybe more00:11
cody-somervillewe can make it sooner.00:11
mib_95abugt7that would be great00:11
mib_95abugt7I need the amd64 version, if it matters00:11
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Amaranthmib_95abugt7: The buildd broke, dunno what the status is now00:14
TurlAmaranth: :/00:14
cody-somervilleAmaranth, what do you mean?00:14
Turlwhat about xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.5.1-1ubuntu9? it might contain the fix I need00:15
Amaranth <tjaalton> could a buildd admin kick yellow (amd64)? it's been stuck for a couple of days now.. https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.4.3-0ubuntu1.2/+build/84255700:15
Amaranth <tjaalton> Keybuk: could you have a look at yellow (the buildd). I'd really need to get mesa  et al built on amd64 to avoid bugs like bug 32052500:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320525 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "jaunty unbootable on intel G45 since .28-5 kernel update" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32052500:15
Amaranthsorry for the pings guys :/00:15
cody-somervilleAmaranth, we have two amd64 buildds00:16
cody-somervilleIs there a problem with crested as well?00:16
TurlAmaranth: that is exactly the bug I'm experiencing :p00:16
Amaranth <max.b> The nice folks on #launchpad have unwedged yellow. However the build on crested looks to be stuck - judging by the previous buildlog it will be killed in another couple of hours by the "150 minutes with no activity" criterion. Is it worth asking someone to terminate it earlier, in view of the previously mentioned mesa/intel/amd64 breakage?00:16
Amaranthcody-somerville: yes :/00:16
Amaranthalthough it looks like they should both be going at this point so...00:17
cody-somervilleSo when it says "build started 19 minutes ago", its lying?00:17
cody-somerville(isn't being facetious)00:18
Amaranthcody-somerville: No, as those pastes show they should be working again by now00:18
Amaranthcody-somerville: But I think they are a bit behind00:18
cody-somervilleWell, from what I can see, they only have 17 builds in the queue.00:18
cody-somervillethe xserver-xorg-video-intel package should build in 3 hours or so if the buildds for amd64 are working00:19
Amaranthcody-somerville: how about mesa?00:19
Turl3 hours? mhm, I'll have to test tomorrow I guess00:19
cody-somervilleAmaranth, whats the source package name?00:20
Amaranthcody-somerville: mesa00:20
cody-somervilleAmaranth, 3 hours as well00:21
cody-somerville(to start)00:21
Amaranthalthough I think mesa takes some time to build so...00:21
AmaranthI dunno, I've only done it once00:22
Turlare ubuntu.com & launchpad.net down, or is it my internet playing tricks with me?00:22
cody-somervilleThey do see slow00:22
cody-somerville(or launchpad does atleast)00:22
Amaranthyeah, launchpad is a little laggy for me as well00:23
Turlfirefox throws "interrupted connection" on launchpad, and ubuntu.com keeps connecting, but won't show00:23
Turlbtw, any possibility of including php-gtk on jaunty? it isn't packaged on debian...00:26
directhexno offence, but who would want to write gui apps in a hypertext parser?00:26
Turlme directhex. PHP isn't just an hypertext parser. It's a complete scripting language, just like python is00:27
Turla guy did once a package, and was looking for sponsoring in debian, I contacted him once, and he said he was too busy to get sponsoring, but the package was done. Maybe you can include it? or should I talk with MOTUs?00:28
directhexi'm reasonably confident that the PHP Hypertext Preprocessor is primarily centered around hypertext, but perhaps i'm just an old cynic00:29
Turldirecthex: php-cli exists for a reason, don't you think?00:29
cody-somervilleTurl, upload the source package to revu00:29
cody-somervilleTurl, I'll review it for you tomorrow if you'd like00:29
Turlcody-somerville: I'll mail this guy once again asking him for it, I'm not the packager nor I know much about packaging.00:31
directhexTurl, i just find it an immensely odd choice of language for non-hypertext tasks. php's strength lies in the ease with which you can inject a little intelligence into <html>00:31
directhexeach to his own, of course00:31
Turlalso, I need to get my jaunty working to upload it, I guess you use dput?00:32
Turldirecthex: PHP's strength lies in it's ease of use. not on the ability to modify HTML00:32
Turldirecthex: there surely is a lot of other langs to use for non-hypertext tasks, the same way you can use non-hypertext languages like c++, c, etc to build webpages00:33
slangasekexcept C and C++ programmers have the good sense not to use those languages for html processing. :)00:34
* directhex shoves slangasek into cgi-bin00:34
* slangasek opens a series of back doors00:35
TurlI don't want to start a flamewar :p the fact is, php does gtk, and it's quite good at it, although documentation lacks sometimes00:36
directhexand people call MY platform choices eccentric :x00:36
cody-somervilleAmaranth, both amd64 buildds are working fine as far as I can tell00:36
TurlPHP even does GL graphics iirc00:36
LaserJockand you can write a kernel in python00:37
directhexLaserJock, you never tried out perl-linux? :)00:38
cody-somervilleTurl, btw, there is no builds in the queue for amd64 buildds. You could build that package for yourself in your own ppa.00:38
Turlcody-somerville: If I knew how to use dput without a .changes :p00:40
TurlLaserJock: believe it or not, http://phpopengl.sourceforge.net/00:40
cody-somervilleTurl, just create one00:40
Turlcody-somerville: I know really basic things about packaging, "just create one" is not enough for me to understand :p00:41
cody-somervilleUnpack the source package and run debuild -S -sa inside OR Install a package called 'reprepro' and use the changestool to create a changefiles (see manfile for details).00:42
Turlnow, I need to remember how I configured my .dput.cf for my ppa...00:42
* Turl googles around a bit00:42
AmaranthTurl: apt-get -b source mesa00:42
AmaranthTurl: just build it locally00:43
cody-somervilleor that00:43
cody-somervilleTurl, Are you on Jaunty? just do dput ppa:<your lp login> <changesfile>00:43
Turlapt-get -b? didn't know that one00:43
Turlcody-somerville: currently, I'm on vista, as my Jaunty has no X00:43
cody-somervilleTurl, I have an idea. Why not install Hardy or Intrepid? :)00:44
Turlcody-somerville: because I don't want to break my MBR again? I killed it once with dd, and I recovered everything but my valuable data :/00:45
cody-somervilleTurl, backups?00:45
Turlalso, I don't think the intrepid installer can resize ext400:45
* cody-somerville gives up.00:46
Turlcody-somerville: no money to get another disk to backup? :) if you pay for it, I'll backup and install intrepid00:46
Turlalso, I found jaunty quite stable, despite the 2 or 3 lockups a day00:47
TurlAmaranth: do you know whether the "keyboard and mouse stop responding" bug is related to this one?00:48
TurlI cannot check the bug number now, launchpad won't open00:48
Turlwell, I'll reboot and try to build the packages00:50
Turlreally, thanks guys for helping :)00:51
caimlasanyone know if there's a fix for the kernel post-2.6.18 I/O latency/load issues in the pipeline yet?01:36
Rocket2DMnhey bryce , what is the "pet-bug" tag for?01:37
bryceheya Rocket2DMn01:37
Rocket2DMni definitely lol-ed when i saw it01:37
Rocket2DMnis that tag some sort of inside joke?01:38
Rocket2DMnor does it actually mean something01:38
bryceno, it was suggested by management for marking some long standing bugs that we'd like to get around to fixing01:39
bryceso we were asked to mark 10 or so01:39
Rocket2DMnah, well, its fixed01:39
brycegreat :-)01:39
Rocket2DMnyeah and two days latear i got a sweet kernel oops01:40
bryceyeah I picked ones that looked like low hanging fruit we could clear up by jaunty01:40
Rocket2DMncool, i hope we can push a lot of bug fixes through for jaunty in all departments01:41
Rocket2DMntbh i was a little disappointed with intrepid01:41
brycehey speaking of pushing lots of bug fixes, here's something I did up today for tracking that for X -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/totals.svg01:42
Rocket2DMni like what i see between 1/22 and 1/2301:42
Rocket2DMnsome good intel fixes huh01:43
LaserJockbryce: that's a rediculous amount of bugs, I feel for you dude01:44
bryceRocket2DMn: partly, although mostly that was a bunch expiring on that day.  But we did put out the 2.6 driver which hopefully will resolve a lot of those anyway01:45
bryceLaserJock: heh thanks, yeah quite a load01:45
pwnguinare there really close to 500 wacom-tools bugs?01:46
brycewe're down from a total of around 2200 last fall01:46
brycepwnguin: no, you're reading the colors wrong ;-)  I think you're looking at the lrm bugs01:46
pwnguinsurely you can do a better spectrum than that :P01:46
brycethe order of items int he key matches the order in the chart01:47
pwnguinexcept the chart goes up and the legend goes down01:47
Rocket2DMnman i hope we can nuke a bunch of those during the bug jam01:47
bryceRocket2DMn: that'd be sweet01:48
bryceRocket2DMn: the majority of these bugs need to be re-tested against jaunty, and the ones that have been tested need to go upstream01:48
Rocket2DMni wonder what a graph organizing them by date would look like01:49
Rocket2DMnlike a bar graph with a full month of bugs01:49
Rocket2DMnthat is to say, each bar is the number of bugs reported that month01:49
pwnguinim guessing huge spikes at release01:49
brycemore plots here:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Plots/01:49
LaserJockbryce: hmm, a whole lot of -intel bugs01:50
bryceyeah, from -beta up until a month or so post-release we do see a surge in bugs01:50
bryceLaserJock: yeah :-/01:50
pwnguinat least with wacom-tools, there's been more activity upstream recently01:51
Rocket2DMnhaha yeah those 2 weeks after release are intense01:51
Rocket2DMnthough i guess its not as bad as it looks01:51
pwnguinhow many unassigned bugs do we have left?01:52
bryceotoh, around that time it tends to be easier to get people to test, so it can be easier to get old bugs marked off the list, if you can stay on top of the surge01:52
pwnguin3 thousand?01:52
Rocket2DMnthats just way too many bugs, i wonder how many can just be wiped out for being old01:52
bryceRocket2DMn: for X, not as many as you'd think unfortunately; we have pretty okay turnover of old bugs01:53
brycemost are simply incomplete waiting on users for more info01:53
Rocket2DMnyeah bryce , but how many follow up with the complete amount of information needed?01:54
bryceor, we've got the info and someone just needs to look and do some preliminary analysis01:54
brycehmm, I'd say somewhere  between 10-25% follow up01:54
brycethe rest end up expiring after a few months01:54
Rocket2DMnthats about what i would expect, X is tough to deal with from a normal user's perspective.  Heck I have a decent understanding of whats going on and it scares me too01:55
bryceme too01:55
brycereally it's the freeze bugs I hate; those are a b!tch to troubleshoot, and we've got a slew of them01:55
brycecrashes are tractable if we get a backtrace01:56
Rocket2DMnyou mean when X just locks up w/out actually crashing?01:56
brycethose are the hardest bugs01:56
Rocket2DMnit would be nice if i had more time to play with this stuff, but unfortunately, gotta pay the rent01:57
brycepesky rent02:01
mib_iehgz0hi, I'm back02:02
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Rocket2DMnhehe, yeah bryce , but hey, these days just glad to be employed02:03
brycequite true02:03
* Turl goes back and reuploads to his ppa02:04
* calc is almost proud of his bug stats now02:43
calc11 new and 1 confirmed, rest incomplete or triaged :)02:43
calcstill have 39 bugs to send upstream02:44
calccody-somerville: all OOo bugs02:44
cody-somervilleoh wow... still quite the accomplishment!02:44
calcyea :)02:44
calcit appears i have about 26 bugs to fix for jaunty, some are dupes i still need to merge though02:45
calcwth is with these PSA's telling you to unplug your cellphone charger?03:50
calci checked mine with a meter and it pulls effectively 0 watts with nothing hooked up to it, 1 watt with a phone that is charged with the lcd off, and 2 watt with the phone charged but with the lcd on03:50
calcthe commercial probably used more power than my charger does all day03:51
ScottKcalc: Clearly you're in favor of global warming and would like to see the Earth destroyed.04:02
kees-love Al Gore04:07
gQuigsLooking for feedback on my feature, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/no-input-recovery04:10
calcScottK: perhaps some cell phone chargers are defective?04:28
calcScottK: all i know is i own a watt meter that i check my stuff with and saw that PSA so tested mine and it seemed to be bunk04:29
ScottKcalc: I think it's much more likely that no one ever sat down and actually measured.04:29
ScottKRemember, it's not the truth that counts, but the truthiness.04:29
calcScottK: hehe04:29
ScottKUnfortunately that wasn't a joke.04:30
ScottKThat seems to be the prevailing wisdom these days.04:30
calca better PSA would be to have people buy watt meters and check their stuff, but that wouldn't be as cool04:31
calcthey cost < $2004:31
calcmy computer draws a lower than expected amount of power as well ~ 100W idle (iirc)04:32
calc~ 150W at full load04:32
ScottKMany years ago I was involved in US Navy warship combat system design and ship integration.04:33
ScottKMost of the electronics were water cooled.04:33
RAOFI suppose there's a good supply of the stuff, at least.04:34
ScottKThey had X number of chillers to keep the cooling water at the right temperature.04:34
LaserJockcalc: yeah, I would think that a watt meter would be the best tool04:34
ScottKThey had always designed chill water requirements based on the spec values for how much heat each piece of equipment put out.04:34
ScottKThey got to a point where for the next version it was going to break the bank and they'd have to do an expensive chill water system redesign.04:35
ScottKSomeone suggested actual measurements first.04:35
ScottKSo they went out with some fancy calorimeters to measure how much heat was actually being dumped.04:36
ScottKBy the time they added it all up, it was WAY less than they'd been designing to (because all the spec values were worst case plus some margin).04:36
ScottKSo the redesign got cancelled because it wasn't actually needed.04:36
ScottKRAOF: Actually having the right water was a bitch because the water had to be sufficiently pure to be non-conductive.04:37
ScottKSo measuring helps.  Not enough people do it.04:37
calcyea 150W on my system i think is worst case I was running some cpu burn in program that uses it much more than generally anything else04:37
pwnguindistilled water isn't hard to come by...04:38
RAOFOoh.  It was _immersed_ in water, rather than using water as heat conduction?  Owch.04:38
ScottKRAOF: Well that's how they got good heat transfer.04:39
RAOFAnd a really abiding interest in keeping the water pure, too!04:39
ScottKpwnguin: And keeping it pure was tough.  Even copper oxides from the pipes could be problematic.04:39
pwnguinScottK: now that i think about it, warships are typically sitting on top of very very not pure water04:40
ScottKThe chill water pipes were copper-nickel for shock resistance, which aren't so great for keeping the water that pure.04:40
LaserJockyeah, I have to have pure water for my laser or I get 25k Volts arcing04:40
LaserJockbut I don't go through a lot so it's not that big of a pain04:40
pwnguini didnt read the full history04:40
pwnguini figured it was some dude who's like, vegstable oil cooling? try water!04:41
lfaraonesuperm1: What's the status of bug 261721 for Dell machines? I'm experiencing it in Intrepid with -updates on an XPS m1330, although brighness isn't a problem, it's that "fn+f3" (battery status) is stuck until I go to a VT.04:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261721 in linux "X never sees brightness key release events on Dell laptops" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26172104:41
pwnguinmy alma mater's nuclear plant uses water as radiation guard04:41
pwnguinthey like to toss hair dryers in it to show how it's awesome and distilled and safe04:42
LaserJockhmm, we use an ohm-meter04:42
johanbrA former Swedish prime minister went for a swim in the cooling water of one nuclear reactor.04:43
pwnguindid he go on to found a school where mutants like himself could live in peace?04:43
RAOFWhat is the ionisation potential for water, anyway?04:44
johanbrHe's still alive and looking normal. As normal as he did before, anyway. :)04:44
pwnguinRAOF: having no idea what the phrase means, im going to say 1, because people like to base things relative to water ;)04:45
LaserJockRAOF: about 12.6 eV04:45
RAOFpwnguin: I meant - at what voltage density does it become conductive.04:45
johanbrI'm going to guess that it's not that different from atomic hydrogen - 13.6 eV.04:45
RAOF"voltage density" might be a phrase I made up :)04:46
pwnguin10.56 eV in water according to teh internets04:46
LaserJockhmm, NIST has ~ 20 determinations that say 12.6 eV04:47
pwnguini defer to the scientist04:48
LaserJockwell, I usually defer to NIST04:48
LaserJockI watched a presentation from a guy who spent 20 years trying to get another decimal place on the vibrations of the boron atom04:49
LaserJockthose guys are super anal04:49
johanbr"boron atom" is a good setup for a joke, if nothing else :)04:49
pwnguina guy came to my uni a while back talking about atomic clock design04:49
LaserJockjohanbr: don't get me going on chemistry jokes ;-)04:50
slangasekcalc: what sort of watt meter do you have?04:59
slangasekjelmer: hmmm, so does bug #320742 mean the existing repo is toast?05:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320742 in bzr-svn "Should handle joins" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32074205:14
jelmerslangasek, no, mainly that it's an easier problem to solve than bug 29541605:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 295416 in bzr-svn "branch root moving breaks missing and push" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29541605:15
jelmeras there is no root moving involved (which is hard to get right)05:15
calcslangasek: kill a watt05:20
slangasekcalc: ok - in the past I've seen clamp-on meters that measure inductively, but I don't think those were < $20. :)05:31
calcslangasek: there are some better ones that do logging as well but they are > $10005:34
calcthis one just shows current usage05:35
slangasekah, so it only measures instantaneous power?  Hmm, suboptimal05:35
calcslangasek: it can log usage over time but not log continous instantaneous power05:36
calcaiui some take a reading every 1s or 5s and log it for you to look at later05:36
slangasekbut it doesn't take the area under the curve, so isn't a true measurement of energy use over time05:39
calcbut assuming it doesn't do something really weird like spiking up for very short intervals you can get a good idea of what it is using, or am i missing something?05:41
slangasekcalc: the power consumption of a computer isn't flat, so sampling the current could be fairly inaccurate05:43
calcwell for something like a idle cell charger05:44
slangaseke.g., what if your hard drive is spun down every time it samples just by chance. :)05:44
slangasekright, for that it should work fine05:44
calcyes on my computer it jumps around quite a bit unless i am leaving it idle or full throttle05:44
calcslangasek: my original comment wrt the watt meter was that there was a PSA on tv telling you to unplug your not in use cell phone charger, and after testing mine it showed 0 watts being used, even with the cell phone plugged in it was only using 1 watt (it was already fully charged)05:45
slangaseksure, I saw that05:46
slangasekI was inquiring out of interest in power metering generally. :)05:46
calcoh ok05:46
slangasekthough for the time being, I know where our power is going, and I don't need a watt meter to tell me to find a solution to save on heating05:46
slangasekstupid atypical winter weather05:47
calcits 64F here even at midnight05:47
calcit was around 80 this afternoon i think05:47
slangasekit's 37F here, even at noon ;P05:47
calcit seems to alternate here between freezing and 80F05:47
calcanyone else having trouble with debootstrap in jaunty?05:49
slangasekdebootstrap /in/ jaunty, or debootstrap /of/ jaunty?05:49
slangasek(the answer, for me, is no in both cases because I haven't tried it lately :)05:49
StevenKslangasek: Shall I send you some excess heat, it's 37 degC here05:49
slangasekStevenK: please to be05:50
calci'm running jaunty on my desktop and was trying to run deboostrap on it05:50
slangasekStevenK: ... making a wormhole, I'll install a turbine in the mouth and it'll be a perpetual motion machine05:50
calcdoh i know what i did wrong, oops05:52
calci forgot to resetup my /etc/hosts file05:52
StevenKslangasek: Haha05:54
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orogorhi here, anyone online?08:56
syockitNot app development on Ubuntu, it says. Where do I go for one?08:57
orogori get very frequent system freeze, would anyone have some hint on how to debug that , if i can t  network that computer with another ?08:57
persiasyockit, Generally the advice is to go to a specific forum for the sort of thing you are developing, and once the app is done, then bring it to Ubuntu.09:02
persiasyockit, So, if you were, for example, developing a GNOME app, you'd want to visit the GNOME channels.09:02
persiaorogor, You may find that #ubuntu-bugs is a better place to ask for help understanding and documenting bugs.09:03
syockitActually I wanted an example of packages with multi binaries09:03
syockitso I got myself pulseaudio09:03
persiasyockit, Oh, for packaging discussion, #ubuntu-motu is the preferred forum.09:03
BUGabundogood morning09:04
BUGabundopersia: can you tell me where to find crimsun ?09:04
persiaBUGabundo, /whois is probably the place to start.  Beyond that, I can't help you.09:05
orogorpersia, well actually i had something in mind , there s a linux feature that allow to bootstrap from a first kernel before starting the new one and it s  different from an initrd09:11
orogorpersia, would you remember how it s called ?09:11
persiaorogor, I don't.  Maybe something related to kexec()?  Sorry, but that's fairly well outside my knowledge.09:12
orogoryes , kexec09:14
orogorpersia, any plan in throwing kexec into gentoo , in order to debug kernel issues ?09:14
orogoralla blue scrreen from windows09:15
orogor... anyhow i ll join the bugs channel and see if they can be of any help09:15
BUGabundodtchen: ping09:24
BUGabundohi emgent09:33
orogorpersia, as far as i understand the bug you speak was solved about a year ago10:23
orogorso i souldnt  have this bug when runnign hardy10:24
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* ogra grumbles about dash's read not supporting -n or -s12:57
superm1lfaraone, you need to have the upgraded kernel.  whenever it's released to -updates you'll be fine15:05
superm1lfaraone, it's been in proposed since basically the week after intrepid launched15:05
lfaraonesuperm1: so I should just enable proposed and update?15:15
superm1lfaraone, you should grab the kernel from -proposed (and appropriate headers, meta, and LRM if necessary).  You don't need anything else out of proposed though15:16
lfaraonesuperm1: Thanks!15:17
CruX|hello all, I just updated my system to kbuntu 8.10, and i have problem with my keyboard. I set my keyboard rate with "xset r rate 200 70". All keys are working with exception of downarrow and leftarrow - wait delay is much bigger than 200 ms. What's wrong ? on kubuntu 8.04 it worked.15:27
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lfaraonesuperm1: sorry, i'm a bit noobish, but what's the package name of the new kernel? I can't seem to see it even after enabling proposed (and pinning to updates)15:33
ScottKlfaraone: You should get it by installing the appropriate metapackage (e.g sudo apt-get install linux-generic (I think that's what it's called)) that'll pull in the new kernel packages.15:36
BUGabundoScottK mine is still on -415:38
BUGabundoI had to manually choose -515:38
logari81I think this one:15:40
logari81* Drop 102_dont_vblank.patch, since the new drm code in the kernel fixes the bugs that it worked around.15:40
logari81in mesa update of today destroyed this picture:15:40
logari81for my ati X70015:40
logari81now googleearth with composite flickers like in intrepid and e.g. cant be projected on the cube15:40
logari81I hope this is the right channel to mention that15:40
ScottKlogari81: Probably better on #ubuntu-kernel15:41
ScottKEven better, file a bug.15:41
logari81ScottK: ok thnx15:42
lfaraoneHas the location of UDSJaunty+1 been announced yet?15:56
jpdslfaraone: No.15:57
* lfaraone hopes for something east-coast, there was no way he could make it to the googleplex.15:57
jpdslfaraone: Seeing as it changes US->Europe, it'll probably be in Europe.15:58
cjwatsonArneGoetje: I noticed that the translation focus for Ubuntu was still listed as intrepid, and changed it to jaunty. I think that makes sense at this point; otherwise shout.16:07
* ScottK notes to directhex a mono NMU sitting in Debian incoming and wonders if we want it?16:26
directhexScottK, it's a ~no change rebuild16:27
ScottKOK, so not relvant to us then.   Thanks.16:27
directhexScottK, now, we want the version it's an nmu from, but we either need to have dh 7.1 in jaunty first, or i need to make a merge patch which reverts some changes16:27
directhexand i don't think i heard a final decision r.e. dh7.116:28
lfaraonesuperm1: Hm, I upgraded to the new kernel, but now my nvidia kernel module won't start.16:36
directhexScottK, if you make a call on mono s/sync/merge/ or dh7.1, let me know :p16:40
superm1lfaraone, yeah that's why you need to pull in all the headers too16:49
lfaraonesuperm1: ok, what's the package name I want again?16:50
superm1lfaraone, there's a metapackage to go with it.  probably linux-headers or similar16:50
ArneGoetjecjwatson: where was it listed?17:11
lfaraonesuperm1: new kernel, and now we have _intermittent_ problems with fnup-fdown, sometimes it reads one push as two17:38
lfaraonesuperm1: however, my pwrstatus thing is fixed. thanks!17:39
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nixternalx-session-manager[3989]: WARNING: Detected that screensaver has left the bus17:55
nixternaloops, wrong channel17:55
superm1lfaraone, that's a different unrelated bug18:16
lfaraonesuperm1: ah, kk.18:17
Ape3000What does "dfsg" mean?18:28
ion_Debian free software guidelines IIRC18:28
jpdsApe3000: Debian Free Software Guidelines.18:28
jpdsApe3000: See: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines18:29
lfaraoneAny main sponsors about?18:31
lfaraonecody-somerville: done, package is in ppa at https://edge.launchpad.net/~lfaraone/+archive/ppa18:33
lfaraonecody-somerville: and debdiff was uploaded to the bug18:39
cody-somervillelfaraone, It looks like you simply add the flag to build libabiword but don't actually have it in its own binary package.18:51
lfaraonecody-somerville: yes, from what I understood an additional binary package wasn't needed.19:00
lfaraonecody-somerville: libabiword is _part_ of abiword, you can't mix versions and expect them to work. (and if they do, it's accidental)19:00
lfaraonecody-somerville: if you'd prefer, I can split it off.19:00
cody-somervillelfaraone, libabiword is not required for abiword to work if enabled, correct?19:14
cody-somervillelfaraone, and your changelog says that you did create a new binary package btw19:15
Ramblurrhas anyone run into a bug where upgrading to the new nvidia 180 drivers removes the /usr/lib/libGL.so lib?19:25
lfaraonecody-somerville: correct. will fix.19:25
tjaaltonRamblurr: there's a bug about it19:34
Ramblurrah ok19:35
cjwatsonArneGoetje: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu19:38
calcanyone happen to know the rsync command line to use to sync up an iso19:53
calcits normally on iso.qa but nothing is being tested atm so doesn't show it19:53
calcah found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage19:55
calcskipping non-regular file "ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso"20:01
calchmm weird20:01
cjwatsonit's a symlink - you need to sync the one from .pool20:01
cjwatsonrsync://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/.pool/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso or some such20:02
calcah i see20:02
cjwatsonthis is all transparent via HTTP; the rsync confusion is unfortunate but not really avoidable20:02
cjwatsonalternatively I think there's an rsync option to follow symlinks20:03
cjwatson-L by the looks of things20:03
cjwatsonyeah, probably better to use -L20:03
cjwatson(rather than .pool)20:03
calcok thanks for the help :)20:03
calcapparently my dd of ubuntu iso from cd was a bit different from the one on the server20:04
cjwatsonmm, I certainly wouldn't put money on that giving bit-identical results20:04
calcbut not by much, heh20:04
cjwatsonprobably just junk at start and/or end20:05
doctormoQuestion, according to the ubuntu-devel mailing list, I'm a "non-developer"20:28
doctormoDespite being in all manners and motives a developer. Do I take it that there is some special flag you need to be a developer according to the mailing list?20:29
ScottKYou need to be a MOTU or core-dev20:29
ScottKDeveloper means Ubuntu dev, not generic developer.20:30
ScottKSome others get white listed in, but I'm not sure how that works.20:30
doctormoScottK: I see20:30
ScottKThere is ubuntu-devel-discuss that anyone can post to unmoderated.20:31
doctormoGreat, I'll have to join the boys club to post to certain mailing lists.20:31
ScottKYou can post.  It just has to go through moderation.20:32
doctormoPerhaps the wording needs changing? 'non-developer' or even non ubuntu developer seems odd when your me, an ubuntu developer who just happens to operate on research instead of motu.20:33
cjwatsonI'm happy to add contributing developers to the whitelist if they post sensibly (and I remember when processing the moderation queue)20:37
cjwatson(cf. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers)20:37
cjwatson"Ubuntu Developer" is a formal term though, corresponding to Launchpad teams20:38
cjwatsonperhaps we should extend the auto-whitelist to cover ubuntu-universe-contributors20:38
cody-somervilleI'm in favour of that.20:38
cjwatsonerr, universe-contributors I mean20:39
* Laney prepares the spam20:39
cjwatsonI've filed an RT request to that effect20:41
cjwatsonI've also linkified the text "Ubuntu developers" on https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel20:45
doctormothanks cjwatson20:46
cjwatsonand clarified the text at the end20:46
ebroderIs a FTBFS on hppa going to keep a backport from being accepted?21:21
LaneyWhat is Ubuntu's position on GFDL docs w/invariant sections?23:54

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