[00:39] <nooblar> hi
[10:17] <BUGabundo> asac: fta: ping
[10:18] <BUGabundo> FF 3.2 is always freezing with Script: chrome://browser/content/tabbrowser.xml:247
[10:18] <BUGabundo> known bug?
[10:33] <BUGabundo> asac RT
[10:33] <BUGabundo> FF 3.2 is always freezing with Script: chrome://browser/content/tabbrowser.xml:247
[10:33] <BUGabundo> known bug?
[10:34] <BUGabundo> are you here asac?? seeing a lot of disconects
[10:46] <BUGabundo> asac: please ping me (identica or mail) on how to get java plugin onto FF 3.{1,2}
[10:47] <BUGabundo> I don't see it on about:plugins so some site won't work
[10:47] <BUGabundo> like vipeers!
[10:47] <BUGabundo> thanks
[13:30] <fta> mozilla bug 471359
[13:53] <asac> fta: join some of the identi.ca groups too ;)
[13:53] <fta> just joined 2
[13:53] <asac> heh
[13:53] <asac> cool
[13:53] <asac> i think this feature existed before ... i never noticed it though
[13:54] <fta> are we supposed to get messages from all members now?
[13:54] <asac> i dont think they will appear on your personal timeline
[13:54] <asac> maybe gwibber could also have "group" tabs
[13:54] <asac> with the messages of your groups
[13:55] <asac> joining groups is more for easier finding each other
[13:55] <asac> and subscribing to more folks ; )
[14:05] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjorn-runaker-se/network-manager/trunk.mbm
[14:05] <asac> what a messy tree (again)
[14:06] <asac> he pushed overwrote something perfectly like https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjorn-runaker-se/modemmanager/trunk.mbm
[14:06] <asac> with a huge code-drop again ...
[14:08] <asac> fta: seems like your message needs: !ubuntu to show up on the ubuntu group page
[14:08] <asac> http://identi.ca/group/ubuntu
[14:08] <asac> didnt work for my laconica thopugh
[14:11] <fta> lol, why reset history?
[14:11] <asac> so the setting for the jabber contact disappeared from the website ... however, now the notices get delivered to my jabber again (even though i opted-out weeks ago)
[14:12] <asac> fta: reset history? you mean my complaint not to delete stuff?
 what a messy tree (again)
[14:12] <asac> ah
[14:12] <asac> yeah
[14:12] <asac> fta: i dont know why
[14:12] <asac> i thought i understood what makes sense and what is senseless
[14:12] <asac> he complained to me "push says it has diverged"
[14:12] <asac> i told him: use a different name so i can take a look please
[14:13] <asac> next he said: "pushed --overwrite"
[14:13] <asac>  me: that sucks
[14:13] <fta> lol
[14:14] <asac> i can only hope that the /momdemanager/ branch was the previous snapshot so i can at least diff on my own
[14:15] <asac> mkdir ubuntu_mm/bjornbackup
[14:15] <asac> cd ubuntu_mm/bjornbackup/
[14:15] <asac> buntu_mm/bjornbackup$ bzr branch lp:~bjorn-runaker-se/modemmanager/trunk.mbm
[14:15] <asac> lets get the backups quick ;)
[14:16] <asac> fta: so it seems that messages directly to group
[14:16] <asac> go to your timeline too
[14:16] <asac> e.g. http://identi.ca/asac/all
[14:17] <asac> i am not subscribed to ihirliann
[14:17] <asac> mann
[14:17] <asac> so you will see all !ubuntu messages
[14:17] <asac> but not every message from all !ubuntu members
[14:17] <fta> ask the group :)
[14:17] <asac> sounds sensible
[14:17] <asac> i like that ;)
[14:18] <asac> fta: interesting is that !laconica seems really not to work
[14:18] <asac> even his message has no link on website
[14:18] <asac> and gwibber doesnt know about that feature at all
[14:18] <asac> linkwise
[14:18] <asac> -> new feature request to implement
[14:18] <fta> i think it's a new feature
[14:18] <asac> should be rather simple i assume
[14:18] <asac> groups?
[14:18] <fta> yes
[14:18] <asac> i dont think so
[14:18] <asac> uds exists
[14:19] <asac> i doubt that someone created that group since 23rd jan
[14:19] <fta> it was a user, no?
[14:20] <asac> fta: a user?
[14:20] <asac> oh four joined ubuntu after us already
[14:20] <asac> thats good growth rate ;)
[14:21] <fta> damn, all my disks are > 99.5% :(
[14:23] <asac> so seems that i am currently the top blocker for releasing debian lenny
[14:24] <fta> grr, that tray bug is getting on my nerves, i lost my gwibber window, again
[14:24] <asac> shitty
[14:24] <asac> http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
[14:24] <asac> green line is close to zero
[14:24] <asac> and iceape blocking the release
[14:25] <asac> i am supposed to do the transition that allows iceape-browser to be removed from testing :(
[14:26] <fta> removed?
[14:26] <fta> transition to what?
[14:26] <asac> icedove
[14:26] <asac> we want to remove iceape to reduce security work
[14:26] <asac> for stable
[14:26] <asac> unfortunately everything build depends on iceape
[14:26] <asac> as it provides the 1.8 glue
[14:27] <asac> also some seem to use it for other stuff
[14:27] <asac> which can be more tricky i guess
[14:29] <fta> eh? you transition a browser to a MUA?
[14:29] <asac> what a mess
[14:29] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/108982/
[14:29] <asac> fta: well. most use it to get the dependent glue
[14:30] <asac> not for the rendering capabilities
[14:34] <asac> sometimes i wonder how anyone can achieve anything when code changes in such a confused fashion
[14:34] <asac> there must be major confusion during development
[14:35] <asac> commented code; reindentation without sense. all this stuff that makes understanding the actual changes cumbersome
[14:35] <asac> just save everything and commit from top
[14:36] <asac> i am sure that laziness
[14:36] <asac> e.g. not looking at diffs before commit ... or not cleaning stuff up at all
[14:38] <asac> i am getting more confident that they will never get this in a form suitable for upstream inclusion
[14:38] <asac> sigh
[14:38]  * asac will die on this
[14:39]  * sebner winks asac 
[14:39] <asac> thanks!
[14:39] <asac> ;)
[14:39] <fta> asac, oh, he's not upstream?
[14:40] <asac> depends on how you define upstream ;)
[14:40] <asac> he gives me those code drops
[14:40] <asac> but i will definitly not put that into the distro
[14:40] <asac> he forked modemmanager,networkmanager and applet
[14:42] <fta> i don't understand, who is upstream then? fedora? that guy? a community?
[14:42] <asac> but i am sure that evolution will solve this ... they will have to rewrite everything in order to get that mess rebased on 0.7
[14:42] <asac> fta: the upstream maintainer is Dan Williams from redhat
[14:42] <asac> and Ingo Tambet works a lot from suse
[14:42] <asac> who is the upstream maintainer for modemmanager
[14:43] <asac> bjorn is from a modem company ;)
[14:43] <fta> oh
[14:44] <asac> they have a really wierd modem ;)
[14:45] <asac> especially their driver approach is fun ;)
[14:45] <asac> they have a usbnet driver that on its own annouces itself as a wired network driver
[14:45] <asac> then they use hal-info stuff to make a modem device out of it ;)
[14:46] <asac> but use ifconfig in modemmanager to make the usbnet device get the IP and stuff (e.g. no ppp)
[14:48] <asac> http://markmail.org/message/a2pu5f3d4xxs76r7#query:mbm%20driver%20carl+page:1+mid:qmj7zec2nk3js4ge+state:results
[14:52] <asac> crazy
[14:53] <asac> A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply?
[14:55] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[14:58] <asac> BUGabundo: whats the problem? i couldnt parse your exact issue ;)
[15:00] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:00] <BUGabundo> hi. good afternoon
[15:01] <BUGabundo> it seems I can't enable the java ff plugin
[15:01] <BUGabundo> I see it on synaptic, but sites ask me to install it, anyway, but I only get that wizard saying it failed
[15:01] <BUGabundo> that I should do a manual install
[15:05] <BUGabundo> asac: does this make any more sense?
[15:29] <asac> BUGabundo: not sure. which plugin are you trying to install?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> err
[15:29] <BUGabundo> the java one ?
[15:29] <asac> which
[15:29] <asac> there is not only one
[15:30] <BUGabundo> err yeah.. there are a bunch of them now
[15:30] <BUGabundo> it used to be just SUNs
[15:30] <BUGabundo> let me check alternative
[15:31] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/108999/
[15:32] <asac> BUGabundo: there is a xulrunner plugin alternative
[15:32] <asac> try to change that
[15:32] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/109000/  yeah, got the 000 :)
[15:32] <asac> java isnt used for plugin, just for the runtime binary
[15:33] <BUGabundo> asac: so what should I try to install?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> fta: $ fennec could not read application.ini
[16:44] <fta> BUGabundo, do you have xul 1.9.1 ?
[16:46] <BUGabundo> fta let me check
[16:46] <fta> BUGabundo, please show me: ls -l `which fennec`
[16:47] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy xulrunner-1.9.1  Installed: 1.9.1~b3~hg20090117r22878+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1
[16:47] <BUGabundo> !ls -l `which fennec`
[16:47] <fta> $ ls -l `which fennec`
[16:47] <fta> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2009-01-14 16:43 /usr/bin/fennec -> ../lib/fennec-1.0a2/fennec
[16:50] <fta> BUGabundo, ^^
[16:51] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:51] <BUGabundo> looks the same doesn't it?
[16:52] <fta> BUGabundo, eh? not to me. here is what i see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/109028/
[16:53] <BUGabundo> LOL didn't pidgin echoed mine ?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:53] <fta> i want to make sure you have a symlink in /usr/bin
[16:53] <BUGabundo> $ ls -l `which fennec`
[16:53] <BUGabundo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2009-01-14 08:22 /usr/bin/fennec -> ../lib/fennec-1.0a2/fennec*
[16:54] <BUGabundo> how funny!! pidgin isn't echoing my commands!! let me turn on the '!' prefix instead of '/exec'
[16:54] <fta> you should use a proper irc client, so you could stay idle instead of going on and off every few minutes, never receiving answers to your questions
[16:54] <BUGabundo> fta im sorry! pidgin is crashing a lot due to PA bug!
[16:55] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/317897
[16:55] <BUGabundo> other wise it should be up for longer!
[16:55] <fta> irc is not an IM protocol so pidgin is imho not the right tool for it
[16:55] <BUGabundo> fta we will discuss that some other day...
[16:56] <BUGabundo> its the client I use, and it sutes my needs, unless it is broken
[16:56] <BUGabundo> fta so I have the fennec link
[16:56] <BUGabundo> now what?
[16:58] <fta> i'm puzzled. looks like fennec is not able to get the proper MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME from the stub. try to remove fennec and reinstall it
[16:58] <BUGabundo> okay
[17:00] <BUGabundo> foo
[17:00] <BUGabundo> did you just see that 'foo' ?
[17:00] <fta> yes
[17:00] <BUGabundo> ok then it's a pidgin plugin bug! need to file it
[17:01] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install fennec
[17:03] <BUGabundo> $ fennec Could not read application.ini
[17:03] <fta> sudo dpkg --purge fennec ; sudo apt-get install fennec
[17:04] <BUGabundo> grrr
[17:04] <BUGabundo> already remove it! ok will do again with dpkg
[17:05] <fta> remove != purge
[17:05] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/109032/
[17:05] <BUGabundo> I did apt-get remove --purge fennec
[17:06] <BUGabundo> still I get the same
[17:06] <BUGabundo> after dpkg
[17:07] <fta> hm, i have no clue then. i remember this already happened a while ago but i don't remember the fix. i'm on something else right now, i'll have a look later
[17:07] <BUGabundo> np
[17:07] <BUGabundo> dent me when you have it fix
[17:09] <fta> does it work if you start fennec with "MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/fennec-1.0a2 fennec" ?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> $ MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/fennec-1.0a2 fennec Could not read application.ini
[17:10] <fta> and with: "cd /usr/lib/fennec-1.0a2 ; ./fennec" ?
[17:13] <BUGabundo> works
[17:13] <fta> ok, good. that's an hint.
[17:14] <fta> asac, ^^ i think we already encountered that, right?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> wasn't he out for lunch with mom?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> still need to fix my java firefox plugin... didn't get what he meant!
[17:17] <fta> yep, but he'll get it when he's done, that's the idea of staying idle on irc, compared to using IM
[17:17] <BUGabundo> I know!
[17:17] <fta> (no offense intended :))
[17:18] <BUGabundo> non taken!
[17:18] <fta> openkomodo is getting on my nerves
[17:19] <BUGabundo> I already have to many interaction apps open... I don't think I can handle on more
[17:19] <BUGabundo> LOL fta
[17:19] <BUGabundo> what model do you have?
[17:19] <BUGabundo> cant wait until I get my hands on a FOSS handhelp!
[17:19] <fta> i'm packaging 5.10.0-something
[17:20] <fta> model of what?
[17:21] <BUGabundo> of the openmoko
[17:21] <BUGabundo> oppss
[17:21] <BUGabundo> miss read!
[17:21] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[17:22] <BUGabundo> ok I need to go eat something... eheh
[17:25] <BUGabundo> fta do you have a minute?
[17:25] <fta> what for?
[17:25] <BUGabundo> debug
[17:25] <BUGabundo> firefox plugin
[17:25] <BUGabundo> actually addon: fullerscreen
[17:25] <fta> not really
[17:26] <fta> sorry
[17:26] <BUGabundo> not sure if it is a bug on the addon or FF
[17:26] <fta> i'm not really into addons
[17:26] <BUGabundo> np . that's why I asked
[17:26] <fta> asac and Jazzva are
[17:26] <BUGabundo> I mentioned you were busy
[17:26] <BUGabundo> don't know Jazzva... time to nag the new guy
[17:26] <BUGabundo> Jazzva: ping
[22:11] <fta> asac, openkomodo happens to have an --official switch documented as "build a clean unpatched mozilla or firefox"