[02:15] <kansan> how do i get by this in the future without having to type stuff: sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented;  try 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' to select a frontend other than noninteractive ...
[02:15] <VoiDeT> hey there, i just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10. When i boot up i get "ALERT! /dev/mapper/my-root does not exist. Dropping to shell!" however my-root does exist. Any ideas?
[02:17] <ScottK> kansan: For that package you don't.  It's a legal requirement you accept the license.
[02:17] <kansan> ScottK, booh hiss
[02:17] <kansan> i should be able to automatically select it
[02:17] <ScottK> VoiDeT: Wait a minute or two and then type exit.  If that fixes it, I'll help you with a workaround.
[02:17] <ScottK> kansan: You should use Free software then.
[02:18] <kansan> ScottK, i mean i accept it;  but i should be able to pass ina  command line arg that says i agree
[02:18] <ScottK> kansan: That's a function of the license and the upstream requirements.
[02:19] <ScottK> I guarantee you it wouldn't do that if we didn't have to.
[02:19] <VoiDeT> ScottK: this is from busybox right? which is the shell that it dropped me to
[02:20] <ScottK> VoiDeT: Yes.
[02:20] <ScottK> If it's what I think it is, it'll pick up and continue booting from there.
[02:20] <VoiDeT> ScottK: ok its booting
[02:21] <ScottK> Congratulations.  You and I hit the same kernel bug.
[02:21] <VoiDeT> :D YAY
[02:22] <VoiDeT> so how did you manage to get around this?
[02:24] <ScottK> VoiDeT: Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[02:25] <ScottK> VoiDeT: Specifically "Boot failures on systems with Intel D945 motherboards"
[02:25] <VoiDeT> oh god thats dodgy
[02:25] <ScottK> At release time we only knew it was D945
[02:25] <ScottK> Now it's clear it's much more.
[02:25] <ScottK> Yeah, well it's a work around.  It's not a fix.
[02:25] <ScottK> I have one server still running Hardy because of this.
[02:26] <ScottK> Good luck.
[02:27] <VoiDeT> im running 2650's
[02:27] <VoiDeT> lucky it was only production server
[03:14] <ScottK> VoiDeT: You may need to adjust the rootdelay for your box.  90 worked for me when I was doing pre-release testing, but some have needed more.
[03:16] <VoiDeT> 90 worked fine
[03:16] <VoiDeT> long boot time but >_<
[03:17] <ScottK> Boot slow is better than no boot at all.
[04:18] <kansan__> adduser: Warning: The home directory `/home/app' does not belong to the user you are currently creating.
[04:18] <kansan__> what does that maen?
[04:21] <kansan__> how do i: Adding new user `app' (1000) with group `app' ...
[05:48] <[gnubie]> is there a way i can install ubuntu-server 8.04 lts amd64 on top of an ubuntu 8.10 i386 laptop? currently, i don't have an amd64 machine at home but i want to prepare configs in advance so that once the amd64 arrives, it will be easy and fast for me to deploy.. any advice?
[05:55] <uzair> hey all. what is the best solution people have for running linux servers while having to deal with windows-only apps??
[05:56] <uzair> anyone?
[05:57] <_Cid> uzair:  I dont understand the question? :)
[05:57] <_Cid> uzair:  you mean ..linux on the server, windows on the desktops?
[05:58] <uzair> i was hoping to setup a domain based on a linux server, however i'm having to deal with a couple of windows-only apps. what do most of these mid-large sized companies do for a solution?
[05:58] <uzair> clients could be either windows or linux. apparently samba can handle the windows computers and domains. problem is having to deal with win-only apps
[05:59] <_Cid> wouldnt the win apps..be installed on a windows box?
[05:59] <_Cid> if not ..maybe use vmware?
[05:59] <uzair> if i use vmware, then how would clients access it?
[05:59] <_Cid> vmwares can run as virtual servers
[05:59] <uzair> if say the vmware is on the server -- we're trying to ensure things are centralized
[05:59] <_Cid> so they could have hostname and IP etc. etc
[05:59] <_Cid> as far as the client is concerned, its a seperate box
[06:00] <uzair> and can multiple clients connect to it simultaneously?
[06:00] <_Cid> sure
[06:00] <uzair> what os would you run on the vm?
[06:00] <_Cid> well...for windows only apps...I would run windows :)
[06:00] <uzair> would you need a win server or could you get away with a xp pro or something
[06:00] <uzair> lol
[06:00] <uzair> funny ;P
[06:00] <_Cid> hehe, it depends on the apps
[06:01] <uzair> well, if i need to get a win server, then it is pointless setting up a linux server (except maybe the reliability and security part)
[06:01] <uzair> i was tyring to avoid costs
[06:01] <uzair> small business = small budget o_O
[06:01] <_Cid> couldnt the windows only apps, run on the desktops only
[06:02] <_Cid> perhaps using a database or storage on the linux box?
[06:03] <[gnubie]> uzair: have a dedicated windows server serving the win32 apps and have it accessible via rdesktop
[06:05] <[gnubie]> uzair: convert the desktops to ltsp so that you will have a centralized software management
[06:05] <uzair> would that dedicated win machine be able to take simultaneous connections?
[06:06] <[gnubie]> uzair: afaik, yes
[06:06] <uzair> hmm. that's what i worry won't happen. no one seems to have a how-to that shows that for some reason :S
[06:07] <[gnubie]> uzair: but afaik also, you need to pay for the connection license.. but that will still be cheaper compared of installing it to each and every workstation
[06:07] <uzair> connection license?
[06:07] <[gnubie]> uzair: there are lots of them.. try digging more
[06:07] <uzair> terminal server cals?? isn't that only on server 2003/2008?
[06:07] <[gnubie]> uzair: http://wiki.ltsp.org/
[06:08] <uzair> hmm. seems interesting. one other thing. it seems using samba as a pdc is still quite tempermental with win clients huh?
[06:09] <[gnubie]> uzair: at the bare minimum, you will need at least 2 servers... one for the windows server who will be serving the win32 apps via rdesktop and the other one is for the ltsp where all the thin clients are directly connected to it..
[06:10] <[gnubie]> uzair: the third box will serve the openldap+samba as your pdc
[06:10] <uzair> that's what i expected. i was hoping to pull it off w/ vms. only issue is that i can't figure out how win xp computer will be able to handlie multiple connections
[06:11] <[gnubie]> if you also want, have a 4th server that will serve the dhcp, (internal) dns, tftp and xfs services
[06:12] <uzair> um, soho -- lol, only dealing with maybe 5 - 10 clients
[06:12] <uzair> i think 4 servers may  be overkill
[06:13] <[gnubie]> then all your thin clients may be a resurrected legacy pentium 1 with at least 16mb of ram without any secondary storage (diskless)
[06:13] <[gnubie]> ah..
[06:13] <[gnubie]> uzair: if you only have 4 clients to connect, why bother having a pdc?
[06:14] <uzair> centralizes things, plus can keep certain employees on lock-down on what they have access to and stuff
[06:15] <[gnubie]> uzair: having only 4 users, don't give much time and complexity to your life, imho
[06:16] <[gnubie]> uzair: but if you want, install an ltsp server and all your desktops will be diskless.. no need of having a pdf
[06:16] <[gnubie]> s/pdf/pdc
[06:16] <uzair> [gnubie]: no i hear you. only thing is that we want to make sure company data stays safe if an employee gets up and goes. since employees are often on the move, laptops work
[06:17] <uzair> better than desktops
[06:17] <uzair> so they'll use their own laptops
[06:18] <[gnubie]> uzair: with a centralized computing concept like ltsp, all the data are stored on your server.. since all the clients are diskless, they cannot easily upload/download data to/from your server
[06:18] <[gnubie]> uzair: if you are only concerned with your documents, better have a document tracking and management system
[06:19] <[gnubie]> where you can monitor who did who
[06:19] <uzair> lol "who did who" ;)
[06:19] <[gnubie]> i mean, who did what
[06:19] <[gnubie]> ;)
[06:19] <uzair> lol i know
[06:19] <uzair> just funny ;P
[06:20] <[gnubie]> but it's not a guarantee that your employees cannot have their own copy of your files even if they check-in the files they checked out
[06:21] <uzair> [gnubie]: thx for your help. i'll keep this in mind
[06:21] <uzair> btw
[06:22] <uzair> check this out: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid39_gci1238129,00.html
[06:22] <uzair> i was aiming for this
[06:22] <[gnubie]> uzair: the best thing that you may want to consider is to include an NDA on their employment contract
[06:22] <uzair> yeah, ceo will be dealing with that aspect :) -- i just do computer work
[06:27] <[gnubie]> uzair: other alternative is to setup a linux server with xen or virtualbox
[06:27] <[gnubie]> and host your windows apps
[06:28] <uzair> xen does that? specific apps only or the whole os like VB or VMware?
[06:28] <[gnubie]> uzair: whole OS
[06:29] <uzair> ic
[06:29] <uzair> and multi connections is supported huh?
[06:29] <[gnubie]> uzair: do you want that all users will use the win32 apps centraly?
[06:29] <uzair> yes, a number of them
[06:29] <[gnubie]> uzair: what applications do you have in mind?
[06:30] <uzair> quickbooks (accounting software) & goldmine (crm)
[06:32] <[gnubie]> uzair: if that is the case, just install a windows server and install those win32 apps and let your users connect and use those apps over rdesktop
[06:32] <uzair> i was trying to see if you could just host the db on a linux file server & run it off win clients. however i like the functionality of having a domain
[06:33] <[gnubie]> uzair: for me, i won't bother setting up a pdc just to cater 4 employees
[06:33] <uzair> yeah, i'll give it a go at it and see how it turns out. i was trying to do the 2x thing (the link i sent earlier) and see how it works out
[06:33] <uzair> just run a centralized file server huh?
[06:33] <[gnubie]> vmware is an OS emulator
[06:34] <uzair> [gnubie]: if it was u, you'd only have a centralized file server?
[06:34] <[gnubie]> you need to have a linux box as a host, buy and install a vmware server (esx?), buy and install windows server on one vmware image, buy and install all the win32 apps on your windows server inside vmware
[06:36] <uzair> hmm. okay. i'll try some of these ideas out. thanks a lot for your help
[06:36] <[gnubie]> if those applications are the bread and butter of the company and there are only 4 employees, i will not install linux and buy a license from vmware.. instead, i will just buy a license and install a windows server and from there, install the win32 apps.. then, let the 4 employees connect to the windows server via rdesktop
[06:37] <[gnubie]> the idea there is "practicality"
[06:37] <uzair> yea
[06:37] <[gnubie]> good luck
[06:37] <uzair> ty
[06:37] <[gnubie]> yw
[06:37] <PlaneCrazy1> hello
[06:37] <[gnubie]> is there a way i can install ubuntu-server 8.04 lts amd64 on top of an ubuntu 8.10 i386 laptop? currently, i don't have an amd64 machine at home but i want to prepare configs in advance so that once the amd64 arrives, it will be easy and fast for me to deploy.. any advice?
[06:38] <[gnubie]> do you think debootstrap is good enough?
[06:39] <[gnubie]> please advice
[06:39] <PlaneCrazy1> sorry can't help u...would if I could
[06:40] <[gnubie]> PlaneCrazy1: no worries.. ;)
[06:40] <PlaneCrazy1> :)
[06:41] <PlaneCrazy1> I just tried upgrading my 8.04 server to 8.10 and it crashed half way thru the upgrade...:-P
[06:42] <PlaneCrazy1> don't know what to do!
[06:42] <uzair> wouldn't a vm do that for you? not sure if you can configure the cpu of the vm to emulate a particular one
[10:23] <domas> hi!
[10:37] <andol> domas: Hi
[11:11] <Hellsheep> If i install Ubuntu server, but during the set up fail to install the packages like mail server and what not. Can i install them later? Or should i re-install all together
[11:16] <andol> Hellsheep: you can easily install the afterwards.
[11:16] <andol> Hellsheep: Besides installing on a single package basis there is also a program called tasksel which basicly gives you the same grouped options as during the install
[11:18] <persia> Actually, the install uses tasksel to present that interface
[11:23] <Hellsheep> andol, how do i install them then?
[11:24] <andol> Hellsheep: on a package basis or by using tasksel?
[11:24] <Hellsheep> tasksel
[11:24] <Hellsheep> or even package
[11:25] <Hellsheep> The way where i have to download the least amount of things
[11:25] <andol> Hellsheep: Just run the command "sudo tasksel" and it will give you about the same menu (actually with a few more options) as during the install.
[11:25] <Hellsheep> Thank you.
[11:26] <andol> Hellsheep: Of course, you might also have to do some configuration :)
[11:26] <Hellsheep> I figured that, i'll slowly work it out hopefully.
[11:26] <andol> See https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/email-services.html and/or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[11:27] <Hellsheep> Oh, it's not jut the mail server i want. :)
[11:27] <andol> Hellsheep: Well, if you look in that general direction you'll find all kinds of useful documentation :)
[11:28] <Hellsheep> :) ty
[11:36] <Hellsheep> andol, could you suggest a few things for me possibly?
[11:38] <Hellsheep> I'm planning on using my Ubuntu server as a file sharing sort of server. Also hoping to use it as a firewall/router. I was planning on having the net going through to modem to the server then to a switch then out to all the computers.
[11:39] <Hellsheep> Is there any specific packages i should install for that?
[11:39] <Hellsheep> Other than file sharing
[11:39] <Hellsheep> Also planning on hosting a ventrillo server on it.
[11:43] <ivoks> get rp-pppoe from the internet
[11:43] <domas> hi! I'm getting various kswapd deadlocks on our machines, like this one: http://p.defau.lt/?AftWGQnCtD1G80ZjIr7cyg - it seems any VFS pressure can cause this...
[11:43] <domas> any ideas?
[11:44] <ivoks> 'CPU#0 stuck for 11s!' doesn't sound good
[11:44] <domas> should I just try using 2.6.28 anywhere?
[11:53] <Hellsheep>  When using sudo tasksel, do i need the Live CD in the drive?
[11:54] <Hellsheep> Or does it download it off the internet?
[11:55] <domas> it will download off the internet
[11:55] <Hellsheep> Darn
[11:55] <Hellsheep> That's going to take forever
[11:55] <Hellsheep> Ll
[11:55] <Hellsheep> Lol*
[11:55] <Hellsheep> On dialup
[11:56] <domas> well, if you have cdrom, it will work too
[11:56] <Hellsheep> If i put the CD in will it read from there first?
[11:56] <domas> yes, if there are no updates
[11:56] <Hellsheep> kk
[11:56] <Hellsheep> ty
[11:56] <domas> if there are updates, it will download them off the intertubes
[11:56] <domas> GODDAMNIT
[13:22] <[gnubie]> is there a way i can install ubuntu-server 8.04 lts amd64 on top of an ubuntu 8.10 i386 laptop? currently, i don't have an amd64 machine at home but i want to prepare configs in advance so that once the amd64 arrives, it will be easy and fast for me to deploy.. any advice?
[13:44] <maxb> [gnubie]: You cannot run amd64 binaries unless both your CPU and your running kernel support it. So, I'm fairly sure the answer is an outright "no"
[13:45] <maxb> However, will the configs really be all that different?
[13:45] <ivoks> configuration will be the same
[13:46] <ivoks> mostly
[13:46] <andol> [gnubie]: Well, if nothing else Virtualbox 2.1 has experimental support to run 64-bits guests on a 32-bit hostsystem.
[13:47] <maxb> ooh, how does it manage that? Very slowly, I imagine?
[13:47] <andol> maxb: No idea, I didn't even know it was possible.
[13:47] <andol> [gnubie]: Still, as maxb says, almost all configuration should be the same.
[13:48] <andol> ohh, I guess it was ivoks who said that, sorry :)
[13:52] <ivoks> drbd8 is in universe?
[13:53] <ivoks> it's not... uvirtbot explain your self :D
[14:46] <domas> argh, another deadlock: http://p.defau.lt/?XpVljy4JCy1aPECnBv7ilw
[14:47] <domas> can such deadlocks in multiple places be some motherboard chip bugs? like memory management, etc?
[14:47] <domas> or CPU barrier bug?
[14:49] <domas> other deadlock at similar time on another machine: http://p.defau.lt/?A_FG4J__2fq_IXyXWWOXyQ
[14:56] <andol> ScottK-desktop: Regarding the result of bug #311277 (amavisd-new). Is there some kind of explicit standard regarding whatever a purge should remove the packages user or not?
[15:01] <[gnubie]> maxb: thanks.. sorry for the late reply.. ;)
[15:02] <[gnubie]> andol: ok.. thanks.. sorry for the late reply..  ;)
[15:12] <ScottK> andol: Debian/Ubuntu policy describes what purge should do.  It talks about purging config files, not users.
[15:14] <ScottK> andol: The general case it worries about is if more than one package uses the same user and then one package removes the user, pain ensues.
[15:14] <andol> ScottK: Ok, thanks.
[15:15]  * andol really should start reading up on those policies.
[15:15] <maxb> Would you not normally expect a purge to leave the system in a state as if the package had never been installed, though?
[15:15] <ScottK> andol: Amavisd-new has it's legacy in amavis, amavisd, and finally amavisd-new.
[15:15] <ScottK> maxb: If you expect that you haven't read policy.
[15:15] <ScottK> All those packages used the same user.
[15:15] <andol> ScottK: Yeah, then I guess the extra install-precations makes/made sense.
[15:15] <ScottK> So there's an assumption built in to the current package (now obsolete) that it can't assume which was around before.
[15:17] <ScottK> At this point you'd have had to cross grade from Sarge to Dapper, upgraded to Hardy and not switched for it to be a problem.
[15:18] <ScottK> I'm going to have a look at seeing about ripping it out for Jaunty, but I don't think it's SRU worthy for Intrepid and I'm not comfortable with it for Hardy.
[15:18] <ScottK> andol: ^^
[15:18] <andol> ScottK: got it
[15:19] <[gnubie]> gtg now.. thanks..
[15:23] <andol> ScottK: How busy are you right now? Do you mind if I ask about the reasoning behind bug #320785? It's really not that important to me, but I would be nice to understand some more :)
[15:24] <ScottK> andol: Shoot.
[15:24] <ScottK> I thought I was clear in the bug, but go ahead...
[15:25] <andol> ScottK: Regarding you answer. What's the diffrence between kind having DKIM in the default config, since recommends is used by default, but not supporting it as a "hard dependency"?
[15:26] <ScottK> If you don't want DKIM, with it as a recommends, you can remove it and change the config.
[15:26] <domas> after 6 years of not compiling kernels I'm back doing it again :(
[15:26] <ScottK> If it's a hard depends, then you can't remove it without removing amavisd-new.
[15:27] <ScottK> andol: In Debian it's a Suggests and not enabled by default.
[15:27] <andol> ScottK: True. Just not used to Recommends being used by default I guess. Thanks for taking your time.
[15:27] <ScottK> No problem.
[15:28] <ScottK> It's really the way it should have been all along, but it takes some getting used to.
[15:28] <domas> ScottK: how to get minor bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oprofile/+bug/251290 fixed? :) should I just suggest to merge in some patches?
[15:28] <andol> ScottK: Well, my very personal opinion is that it makes kind of sense on Desktops but that I would prefer not to have it on servers.
[15:30] <ScottK> domas: If you want to get that fixed, make is easy for a sponsor by making a debdiff, attaching it to the bug and then subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug.
[15:31] <domas> mhmmm
[15:31] <domas> ergh, I just had another ubuntu kernel deadlock
[15:32] <domas> sucks to use greatest and nicest hardware :)
[15:32] <domas> nc/kswapd deadlocked
[15:32] <domas> nc doesn't do any file i/o ;(
[15:32] <domas> what kind of VFS pressure could it have?
[15:32] <domas> we have canonical support contract, but they want to install some magic system management tool
[15:33] <domas> which we're hesitant to do :(
[15:33] <andol> domas: kind of understand that feeling :)
[15:34] <domas> it seems I'm hitting every possible edge case in VM code
[15:41] <domas> hehe, maybe I'm hitting some gcc-4.2.3 bug %) it inlined some of mysql code incorrectly in -O3 too!
[15:42] <domas> I'd love to know this stuff, rather than speculate
[15:55] <domas> btw, UUIDs for filesystems on servers suck
[15:57] <ScottK> Not if you have more than one drive in the box.
[15:58] <ScottK> Without is you end up with the BIOS, GRUB, and the OS disagreeing about what drive is which.
[15:58] <domas> servers have RAID controllers!
[15:59] <domas> I have a habit to reformat filesystems whenever I can
[15:59] <domas> this ends up changing UUIDs
[16:03] <domas> (it is much nicer to start with empty filesystem that doesn't have any cruft in internal structures ;-)
[16:10] <Mechill-enginia> hi
[16:10] <Mechill-enginia> may i ask some question?
[16:11] <Mechill-enginia> if the ubuntu provide their own server?
[16:11] <Mechill-enginia> sori i'm a newnies in linux
[16:11] <domas> server distribution? yes
[16:11] <Mechill-enginia> sorry
[16:11] <Mechill-enginia> the server is for education or for business?
[16:12] <Mechill-enginia> what the meaning of server distribution'
[16:12] <Mechill-enginia> what the meaning of server distribution?
[16:12] <domas> ghmmm
[16:13] <domas> it is software you run on your hardware, to have a server!
[16:13] <Mechill-enginia> oh...
[16:13] <Mechill-enginia> sorry
[16:13] <Mechill-enginia> don't be mad
[16:13] <Mechill-enginia> hehe
[16:13] <Mechill-enginia> :P
[16:14] <Mechill-enginia> can i have my own server with ubuntu?
[16:14] <domas> yes, you can download and install it.
[16:14] <Mechill-enginia> and use my computer as a server?
[16:14] <domas> if you want
[16:14] <domas> you can use desktop distribution as a server too
[16:14] <domas> :)
[16:15] <domas> then you will be able to use your computer for other work too!
[16:15] <Mechill-enginia> i think my computer performance can slow down if i make them to server
[16:15] <Mechill-enginia> huhu
[16:15] <domas> yes!
[16:15] <domas> it may!
[16:15] <Mechill-enginia> so another solution?
[16:15] <domas> what do you want to do?
[16:16] <Mechill-enginia> i want to have my own website hosting
[16:16] <Mechill-enginia> hehe
[16:16] <Mechill-enginia> i want to learn how to make it
[16:16] <Mechill-enginia> but, it is okay?
[16:17] <Mechill-enginia> because now my laptop use fedora 10
[16:17] <Mechill-enginia> not ubuntu..
[16:17] <domas> ghm
[16:18] <Mechill-enginia> :D
[16:18]  * domas kicks dpkg-deb for being slowass
[16:19] <cjwatson> domas: we know that UUIDs have their downsides, but the alternative is many systems (yes, including many servers) being unbootable after upgrades or even just on reboots when SCSI devices appear in a different order, which is much worse
[16:19] <domas> devices, not filesystems!
[16:20] <cjwatson> domas: you are entirely free to use filesystem labels if you prefer, which would be more stable; we can't assign those by default though
[16:20] <domas> *nod*
[16:20] <domas> I know it is me being lazy
[16:20] <domas> I guess preseed doesn't support labels, or something like that
[16:20] <cjwatson> devices, not filesystems> what's your point? there's no way in general for Ubuntu to tell which filesystem is which
[16:20] <domas> cause we'd do them otherwise
[16:20] <domas> ergh, devices, not partitions
[16:21] <domas> but I guess thats the downside of sda/sdb/sdc/... alphabetic naming
[16:21] <cjwatson> all the schemes have their downsides
[16:21] <cjwatson> I posted a summary of all the problems on debian-boot not that long ago
[16:21] <domas> for me all it takes is getting to mgmt, starting serial console and fixing it, whenever I mess it up
[16:21] <cjwatson> http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/12/msg00338.html
[16:22] <domas> though on all our servers data filesystem ends up being /dev/sda6 (or something in LVM)
[16:22] <cjwatson> preseeding actually does support filesystem labels
[16:22] <cjwatson> however, we don't use them for /etc/fstab when available; this is a bug
[16:23] <cjwatson> i.e. you can say label{ foo } in a partman recipe
[16:24] <domas> mhm, right
[16:24] <domas> I'm too lazy to change partman recipe to switch from jfs to xfs (why I actually end up breaking UUIDs quite often :)
[16:24] <domas> thanks for hint though
[16:26] <cjwatson> oddly, there was no bug about the fact that we don't use labels in /etc/fstab when they're available
[16:26] <cjwatson> I've filed bug 320871 for that
[16:30] <domas> thanks!
[16:52] <domas> both labels and UUIDs are awesome if you have same data seen via multiple layers (e.g. DRBD)
[17:02] <ivoks> domas: you use drbd?
[17:11] <Ryder> Hey
[17:11] <Ryder> I have installed the openssh package
[17:12] <Ryder> How do i use putty or telnet to ssh into my server from a windows machine?
[17:12] <ivoks> did you install openssh-server?
[17:12] <Ryder> Yes, i forgot one thing first, what is the command to configure DHCP first?
[17:13] <ivoks> dhcp server?
[17:13] <Hellsheep> Sorry, no.
[17:13] <Hellsheep> When i installed Ubuntu server
[17:13] <ivoks> or just to pick up an IP from existing dhcp server
[17:13] <Hellsheep> I had to unplug the lan cable
[17:13] <Hellsheep> So the network was set to disabled
[17:14] <Hellsheep> i fixed that, except yesterday someone gave me a command to "configure" the dhcp
[17:14] <ivoks> dhclient eth0
[17:14] <ivoks> sudo dhclient eth0
[17:14] <ivoks> but that will work only untill you reboot that server
[17:16] <Hellsheep> Ah okay
[17:16] <Hellsheep> That's okay though.
[17:16] <Hellsheep> I added the text into the /etc/network/interface
[17:16] <Hellsheep> auth eth0
[17:16] <Hellsheep> etc....
[17:17] <ivoks> then you should already have an IP
[17:17] <Hellsheep> yeah
[17:17] <Hellsheep> i forgot to plug in the ethernet cable
[17:17] <Hellsheep> rofl
[17:18] <Hellsheep> ssh magically worked once i plugged that in too =P
[17:18] <ivoks> it's pure magic
[17:19] <Hellsheep> I feel dumb now.
[17:19] <Hellsheep> Oh one question i do have.
[17:19] <Hellsheep> Is i re-installed Ubuntu
[17:19] <Hellsheep> But it didn't over right the old one like i expected.
[17:19] <Hellsheep> Now grub boot loader has 2 OS's i can load.
[17:19] <Hellsheep> How do i remove the old install?
[17:20] <ivoks> it didn't overwrite the old one?
[17:20] <ivoks> are you sure?
[17:20] <Hellsheep> It seems not.
[17:20] <Hellsheep> Because the boot loader shows 2 installs
[17:21] <Hellsheep> I haven't tried loading the old one.
[17:21] <ivoks> there are multiple operating systems or two kernels?
[17:21] <Hellsheep> But it's there apparently
[17:21] <Hellsheep> To be honest, i am not sure. I haven't tried loading the old one.
[17:21] <Hellsheep> I don't think the whole operating system would still be there.
[17:21] <Hellsheep> But who knows
[17:21] <ivoks> paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst on paste.ubuntu.com
[17:22] <Hellsheep> Ah okay, how do i do multiple things at once on ubuntu via ssh without actually cancelling the other things it's doing?
[17:22] <Hellsheep> Is it the same as being on the server computer?
[17:23] <Hellsheep> ctrl+alt+F2 etc
[17:23] <ivoks> start another ssh client/putty
[17:23] <Hellsheep> ah kk
[17:25] <persia> Or run screen in your ssh session ...
[17:25] <Hellsheep> On the new install of Ubuntu, menu.lst has nothing in it
[17:25] <Hellsheep> at all
[17:26] <ivoks> how is that possible? :)
[17:26] <Hellsheep> It could be using grub from the old install?
[17:27] <Hellsheep> Could it*
[17:27] <ivoks> it could, but you would be very lucky guy if that's actually working
[17:28] <Hellsheep> Well, i did notice the second time around, the ubuntu install didn't seem to install grub
[17:28] <Hellsheep> it just seemed to ask me if i wanted to add the new install to the mbr and allow grub boot loader to ask you which os to boot into
[17:29] <ivoks> why didn't you reinstall on the same disk/partition?
[17:30] <Hellsheep> That's a good question.
[17:30] <Hellsheep> The explanation is probably because its 4am
[17:30] <Hellsheep> Any way i can fix this without a total reinstall again?
[17:30] <ivoks> yes, you can
[17:31] <ivoks> but it might require some knowledge of grub :)
[17:31] <Hellsheep> Which i don't have. =P
[17:33] <ivoks> :)
[17:36] <Hellsheep> ivoks, would you be willing to help me if you have the knowledge?
[17:37] <ivoks> Hellsheep: i would, but don't have time at the moment
[17:38] <Hellsheep> Okay, no problem.
[17:42] <Hellsheep> Just a question
[17:43] <Hellsheep> Could ConfigServer and Security be overkill for a home linux server?
[17:43] <Hellsheep> Would*
[17:44] <Hellsheep> Configserver Security and Firewall*
[18:18] <didrocks> jdstrand: around? :)
[19:20] <techsupport> hi , can i use a cp command with visible files being compied ?
[19:29] <kobrien> techsupport, please explain
[19:29] <techsupport> kobrien, i think what i need is cp -v
[19:29] <techsupport> to observe whats being done
[19:34] <kobrien> do you just want the names of the files printed as you copy or do you want a progress bar?
[19:35] <kobrien> cp -v will list the names as they're copied
[19:42] <tonyyarusso> I keep getting connection refused errors from the bacula director when trying to connect to the file or storage daemons (same machine).  Could someone help troubleshoot that?
[19:43] <ivoks> i could
[19:43] <ivoks> first of all, which version of ubuntu?
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> 8.04
[19:48] <tonyyarusso> My errors look like this: "24-Jan 13:45 flamtap.com-dir JobId 0: Fatal error: bsock.c:129 Unable to connect to Storage daemon on flamtap.com:9103. ERR=Connection refused"
[19:49] <ivoks> connection refused
[19:50] <ivoks> iirc, by default, storage daemon listens on localhost
[19:50] <ivoks> look for SDAddress variable in bacula-sd.conf
[19:51] <ivoks> sd is on the same machine as dir?
[19:51] <tonyyarusso> "bacula-sd.conf:  SDAddress = 127.0.0.1"
[19:51] <tonyyarusso> Yes, all components are on the same machine so far.
[19:51] <ivoks> comment out that SDAddress
[19:51] <tonyyarusso> (Fresh installation of bacula - just getting going)
[19:51] <ivoks> and restart bacula-sd
[19:52] <tonyyarusso> I got a connection now "status storage" in bconsole gives job info.
[19:53] <ivoks> so, it works
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> appears to, on that front at least
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> Having a similar issue with the FD
[19:54] <ivoks> 'status all'
[19:54] <ivoks> if everything scrolls down, then everything is ok
[19:56] <tonyyarusso> Connecting to Client flamtap.com-fd at flamtap.com:9102
[19:56] <tonyyarusso> Failed to connect to Client flamtap.com-fd.
[19:56] <ivoks> FDAddress
[19:56] <ivoks> in bacula-fd.conf
[19:56] <tonyyarusso> comment it out as before?
[19:56] <ivoks> right
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> Still failed.  (and yes, I restarted -fd)
[19:57] <ivoks> in 8.10 and 9.04 those variables are left out
[19:58] <tonyyarusso> 24-Jan 13:54 flamtap.com-dir JobId 0: Fatal error: bsock.c:129 Unable to connect to Client: flamtap.com-fd on flamtap.com:9102. ERR=Connection refused
[19:59] <ivoks> try telnet flamtap.com:9102 9102
[19:59] <ivoks> bah
[19:59] <ivoks> try telnet flamtap.com 9102
[20:00] <tonyyarusso> connection refused
[20:01] <ivoks> then you didn't comment out FDAddress
[20:01] <ivoks> or you have firewall
[20:02] <tonyyarusso> Well, there's the built in firewall on Ubuntu, plus we do have a firewall between this and the outside (although I wouldn't think that would matter when connecting to itself)
[20:02] <ivoks> ufw by default isn't on
[20:02] <ivoks> netstat -nlt | grep 9102
[20:03] <tonyyarusso> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:9102          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[20:04] <ivoks> there you go, it still listens on 127.0.0.1
[20:04] <tonyyarusso> Well, the file reads "#  FDAddress = 127.0.0.1"
[20:05] <ivoks> paste your bacula-fd.conf on paste.ubuntu.com
[20:05] <ivoks> hide passwords
[20:05] <ivoks> and IPs
[20:07] <tonyyarusso> http://paste.ubuntu.com/109094/
[20:08] <ivoks> this looks ok
[20:08] <tonyyarusso> hang on a sec, lemme try restarting everything without bconsole running
[20:09] <ivoks> stop everything
[20:09] <ivoks> and check if there is bacula-fd running
[20:11] <tonyyarusso> AHA - root     16131  0.0  0.0  43784   968 ?        Ssl   2008   0:00 /usr/sbin/bacula-fd -c /etc/bacula/bacula-fd.conf
[20:11] <tonyyarusso> Should I just kill that?
[20:12] <ivoks> yes :)
[20:12] <tonyyarusso> yippee, the netstat output went away
[20:13] <tonyyarusso> Now it's happy in 'status all'.
[20:13] <ivoks> :)
[20:13] <ivoks> you have used bacula before?
[20:14] <tonyyarusso> Nope.  We're just getting started.
[20:14] <ivoks> i see
[20:14] <ivoks> bacula is very powerfull tool
[20:14] <ivoks> maybe a bit complex to set up
[20:15] <ivoks> be sure to install bacula packages from proposed repository for hardy
[20:15] <ivoks> there are some fixes
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> eep, proposed?  Any idea how long until they make it to updates?
[20:17] <ivoks> i hope during next month
[20:17] <ivoks> but those are really important fixes
[20:17] <ivoks> so i would suggest pulling bacula from that repo
[20:17] <tonyyarusso> Will it kill me to wait until then to get those fixes?  (It's a production system)
[20:17] <ivoks> trust my, i do bacula packaging :)
[20:17] <tonyyarusso> aaah
[20:18] <tonyyarusso> Now you're testing my apt config skills :P
[20:18] <ivoks> dpkg -l | grep bacula
[20:18] <ivoks> enable proposed
[20:19] <ivoks> update, and apt-get install packages from dpkg -l |grep bacula
[20:19] <ivoks> :)
[20:19] <tonyyarusso> That's so unelegant though!  (but functional, I'll grant you that)
[20:20] <tonyyarusso> What I'd like to do is get them pinned so it always does that while leaving the rest alone
[20:20] <ivoks> well, install bacula and disable proposed
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> The backports wiki page seems to have the info I need to accomplish that for the long run.
[20:22] <ivoks> tonyyarusso: which backend do you use? mysql? pgsql?
[20:22] <tonyyarusso> mysql
[20:22] <ivoks> i think 4 or 5 bugs are fixed in proposed
[20:22] <ivoks> most of them in mysql backend
[20:24] <ivoks> actually, most of them are in pgsql, but there are some 'generic' problems
[20:31] <tonyyarusso> Installed.
[20:33] <tonyyarusso> ivoks: oh, btw - in bacula-sd.conf, within a device definition of Media Type = File, what is Archive Device supposed to be?
[20:33] <ivoks> partition?
[20:33] <ivoks> err... directory
[20:33] <tonyyarusso> Oh.  Duh.
[20:34] <tonyyarusso> It came blank by default and was yapping about that.
[20:44] <MatBoy> does someone know a bashscript ot set a static address for network ?
[20:45] <ivoks> ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
[20:45] <ivoks> route add default gw 192.168.1.254
[20:45] <ivoks> oh...
[20:46] <ivoks> echo "nameserver 192.168.1.254" > /etc/resolv.conf
[20:47] <MatBoy> ivoks: ok, I need to put that in a bash with some questions than :)
[20:47] <MatBoy> thanks
[20:47] <ivoks> well, that depends on what you want :D
[20:47] <MatBoy> I want to change hostnames and ipstuff for servers that I clone
[20:47] <MatBoy> so, I have a simple setup
[20:47] <cjwatson> would be more usual to use /etc/network/interfaces; see the interfaces(5) manual page
[20:47] <MatBoy> just basic one
[20:48] <MatBoy> cjwatson: yes possible too, but what ivoks says is easier to put in a script
[20:48] <ivoks> cjwatson: of course
[20:48] <cjwatson> MatBoy: you can perfectly well edit /etc/network/interfaces from a script
[20:48] <ivoks> MatBoy: but interfaces are 'the right way'
[20:48] <cjwatson> MatBoy: and it will probably save you a good deal of other effort further down the line
[20:49] <MatBoy> ivoks: what is "right" in life :(
[20:49] <ivoks> MatBoy: Ubuntu ;)
[20:49] <MatBoy> yes, that is true !
[20:49] <MatBoy> debian is not nice for servers anymore :(
[20:49] <MatBoy> or you need to run testing
[20:49] <ivoks> hm?
[20:49] <MatBoy> as I did before sarge beacme stable
[20:49] <MatBoy> *became
[20:50] <MatBoy> ivoks: actually because it's older, it has some unfixed bugs in packages
[20:52] <MatBoy> cjwatson: but is the interfaces file not changed using the way ivoks told ?
[20:53] <ivoks> no
[20:53] <MatBoy> ivoks: indeed, that is odd
[20:53] <ivoks> it's not
[20:53] <ivoks> ifupdown is debian tool
[20:53] <ivoks> ifconfig is... unix tool
[20:53] <MatBoy> yep true
[20:54] <MatBoy> but I wasn't sure
[20:54] <ivoks> maybe integrating network manager into server...
[20:54] <cjwatson> ifupdown (inc. interfaces) is a layer over ifconfig and friends that deals with bringing network interfaces up and down at appropriate times during boot
[20:54] <cjwatson> you can of course try to do it yourself, but you will find that you have to deal with quite a bit of tedious boot ordering stuff
[20:55] <cjwatson> its manual page should help you to understand
[20:56] <MatBoy> cjwatson: I know how to set a static ip address in the file, but I want to fully automate it... so I'm investigating what'sthe best way
[21:07] <MatBoy> cjwatson: does ifconfig need to set every item, like subnet/gateway and so on, per item or can you add them all in one line ?
[21:10] <ivoks> ifconfig can't set up gateway
[21:10] <ivoks> there's route for that
[21:11] <MatBoy> yes true
[21:11] <MatBoy> but I ask myself also if itś wise to use route and not set a gatewat like you can do in interfaces
[21:11] <ivoks> i think iproute would be better for those thinks, if you don't want to use /etc/network/interfaces
[21:12] <ivoks> things
[21:12] <MatBoy> why not ?
[21:48] <dalegribble> hi, can anyone tell me which repository to use to obtain an apache 1.x version in 8.04?
[21:54] <dalegribble> found it here, thansk https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache
[22:10] <_identity> hey, I'm thinking of setting up a home server to store media and backup information on as well as using it to access files over the internet, would Ubuntu server be the best choice for me?
[22:15] <_identity> Well I guess you don't really know what's best for me, but is it suitable for my needs? Are there any other recommendations?
[22:18] <p_quarles> _identity: it will do that job fine; but so will just about any Linux distro or even OS; that is very basic stuff
[22:20] <_identity> p_quarles: thanks :) I think I'll use ubuntu. Are there any guides or walkthroughs to help me through the installation and setup processes?
[22:21] <_identity> just found the server support documentation :)
[22:22] <p_quarles> _identity: you're probably going to want to set up Samba
[22:22] <p_quarles> that will give you a file server compatible with any OS
[22:23] <_identity> yes I thought so. Will i need an FTP server for interenet access?
[22:25] <p_quarles> well, that's one way; no reason you can't access SMB shares over the internet, though
[22:26] <_identity> p_quarles: ok, well I'll read through the documentation and see if I have anymore questions. Thanks :)