[00:35] Well, that was quite special... I got a "firefox has been updated, you need to restart" message from update-notifier.... immediately after rebooting! [00:37] where are the instructions to install the codec for 9.04? [00:39] Are there instructions already? It is still only alpha3 [00:40] billisnice, and what codec? 'The codec' isn't very specific [00:40] for my dvd player [00:40] billisnice: If there are none, the ones for 8.10 might work. [00:40] the usual trick is to install ubuntu-restricted-extras [00:40] here are the 8.10 instructions at http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-mplayer-and-multimedia-codecs-libdvdcss2w32codecsw64codecs-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html [00:41] * cwillu wonders if billisnice was planning on contributing any bug reports, or whether this was merely an exercise in trying new stuff :p [00:41] did not know if 9.04 had some or not [00:41] 9.04 hasn't been released yet, doubt much has been written for it [00:41] i thought there might be a repository somewhere [00:43] Why not just try following the intrepid instructions but changing intrepid to jaunty everywhere? [00:43] It does not pay to be to reliant on explicit howtos [00:43] i will [00:43] especially when running a development release [00:45] !isitoutyet [00:45] Sorry, I don't know anything about isitoutyet [00:45] awww [00:46] heh [00:46] * charlie-tca nods [00:46] I remember how insane it gets in here on release day :-) [00:48] What always surprises me is that so many people are waiting to download isos [00:48] i notice that it did not install the restricted drivers for my motherboard [00:49] are they not connected yet? [00:49] There are restricted drivers for motherboards? [00:49] with ndvia [00:49] Erm, you mean your graphics card? [00:50] ok [00:50] on my motherboard [00:50] maxb hopefully users will use .torrent instead of .iso for jaunty [00:51] * maxb favours jigdo [00:51] * gourgi not aware of jigdo [00:51] But my point is.... why do people feel compelled to have CDs on the day of release? I'd think that you do a fresh install when you _need_ to do a fresh install [00:52] jigdo is amazingly cool. It reuses package files you've already downloaded to avoid redownloading the same data as part of the cd image [00:55] hi, did anybody try fgrlx with ignoreABI? [01:01] I haven't tried, I assumed people would be shouting about it if it worked [01:01] FWIW, I'm getting acceptable results with radeonhd [01:02] Using options AccelMethod=EXA, DRI=true. [01:02] When Ubuntu defaulted to radeon, the performance was abysmal [01:02] though I've not tested whether it's radeon vs. radeonhd, or the fine tuning X options that truly help [01:04] well my ati card is broken therefore i could not test it [01:26] is there anyway to browse/buy/play itunes store stuff in linux? [02:47] hello, can someone help me get xen running on jaunty ? [02:48] in particular, which kernel am i supposed to load in grubs menu.lst [02:49] or better yet, can someone post a working menu.lst with a xen entry? [02:51] or point me to a website with a working menu.lst with a xen enty? [03:16] anyone have directions for migrating ext3 to ext4? [03:17] watch out: [03:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781 [03:17] Launchpad bug 317781 in linux "Ext4 data loss" [High,Triaged] [03:17] its working here perfectly [03:17] DanaG: well, this is the test box [03:18] Working fine for me too, oddly enough. [03:18] i dont run jaunty for kicks [03:18] btw [03:18] I do have data=journal set on my home partition. [03:18] 2.6.28.2 is out [03:18] And perhaps on root, too. [03:18] well, i do, but i dont run mission critical on jaunty for kicks [03:19] I run my primary system (as well as two other older systems) on Jaunty; I just never upgrade all three to any particular round of updates at the same time. [03:19] Plus, I have weekly backups of home and root, to ext3. [03:20] meh. i just leave the laptop to dual boot [03:20] no reason to not have something in good shape when you need it [03:23] anyone here have a twinview setup? [03:24] i used to [03:24] pita [03:24] full screen apps wouldn't fullscreen to one monitor [03:24] that works now btw. [03:25] i dont feel like watching half a movie ;) [03:25] I remember that bug. [03:25] I have a bug that I want to post, but I wanted to confirm it's not just with my system. [03:26] however, I may have a way to test it... can you drag-n-drop your gnome-panel to any location on the desktop (bound to the edges of course) [03:27] i cant... [03:27] k, posting the bug. [03:27] but it's not twinview [03:29] I'm trying to get one panel on each monitor... both located at the top... but I can't "drag-n-drop" like I'm used to. [03:30] right click-> properties [03:30] nod... it stays on monitor0 [03:31] there's no way to move it to monitor1 [03:32] hrm, well this is going to be a challenge [03:32] i need to unmount the root partition to tune it to ext4 [03:33] boot from a CD... [03:33] i have a intrepid partition around for this sorta work, but the intrepid kernel doesn't have ext4 i dont think [03:34] i might be able to chroot [03:34] nod... know any good guides for that migration? [03:34] im reading http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 [03:34] Intrepid does have ext4. It's just called ext4dev, and needs tune2fs -E test_fs [03:36] anybody experienced players freeze once paused ? xine and mplayer do freeze vlc is ok though [03:36] honestly, im surprised that ext4 is the first ext to support extends [03:37] it took me a long time to figure out ext wasn't "extent file system" [03:37] it should really help boot time [03:44] well, if I can do better than 14secs, I'll be happy. [03:45] it boots really fast compared to ext3 [03:45] nods, I'm currently at 16secs with a fresh jaunty install on ext3. [03:53] join #html [03:59] ext4 really is much faster at booting, for me. [03:59] your / is ext4 [04:00] yup. [04:00] yeah i have thought about giving it a spin === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [04:20] anyone want to confirm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/321032 [04:20] Launchpad bug 321032 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel unable to drag and drop for placement" [Undecided,New] [04:23] DanaG: noticed any problems with ext4 [04:23] Well, there's a bug report: [04:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781 [04:23] Launchpad bug 317781 in linux "Ext4 data loss" [High,Triaged] [04:23] I haven't noticed that myself, but it's good to be wary. [04:25] thanks for the heads ujp DanaG [04:26] i will wait till the next kernel release [04:28] so if you have no problems with power or crashing, you should be fine I spoze. [04:30] well it is about time we moved up the filesystem scale [04:30] ext3 technology is getting dated [04:31] spr0k3t: Right click on the panel, unlock it [04:31] hey where did that option go? :/ [04:31] it's not there. [04:32] otherwise I would have done that already. [04:32] it was a couple days ago, now they're just stuck [04:32] I even checked the gconf-editor and tried adding in /apps/pane/global/disable_movement back in. no luck. [04:33] so is that a "confirmed" I hear? === Terrestrial is now known as Nik === Nik is now known as Terrestrial [06:59] oooo, I can login again! [06:59] * cwillu huggles the responsible party [06:59] still no suspend though === elpargo__ is now known as elpargo [07:35] anyone up? [07:36] how do i install the nvidia graphics? [07:36] (drivers) [07:42] anyone here (i am back) [07:47] nvidia-glx-180 is already the newest version. [07:47] nvidia-glx-180 set to manually installed. [07:48] but its not using the drivers (i cant go bigger then 800x600...) [08:01] oh-my-god-barbeque! [08:01] bug #315974 is finally dead [08:01] Launchpad bug 315974 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315974 [08:02] the bastard is dead, hallelujah! [08:06] cmon someone... [08:07] use Ubuntu version supported by your vendor [08:08] i got the nvidia 2 work just one last problem... [08:08] when i login i get a black screen......., i have to go to ctrl + alt + F1 and back to ctrl + alt + F7 to get the black to go away.... [08:09] where's the source code for your graphics driver? [08:09] at nvidia? [08:09] i didn't know nvidia released there source.... [08:09] in source package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau :P [08:10] * lucent checks google [08:10] i am using the nvidia-glx-180 [08:10] it feels like my face is just melting off [08:10] reading more about this nouveau project now [08:10] heh [08:11] how *do* you configure GDM resolution on Ubuntu systems? [08:11] that's always plagued me [08:11] it used to be some obscure line in a GDM conf file [08:11] that file moved, now I don't even know where to begin to look [08:12] I didn't see it mentioned in the manual pages, did I miss something? [08:12] man gdm [08:12] there's a config section in the manpage [08:12] pwnguin: are you certain that the information is in there about the resolution though? I read through and apparently I missed that part [08:13] config is done via gdmsetup or /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom [08:14] any idea about my problem? [08:14] lemme guess i should come back tmw? [08:14] pwnguin: try gdmsetup though, I know what you said is essentially true, but gdmsetup does not really configure the resolution that is set for GDM [08:14] FFForever: go research it, figure this out, and document it for others [08:14] don't whine about stuff please, I must be very rude now [08:15] lucent, ............ [08:15] FFForever: out of curiosity, what's in the nvidia driver you like? [08:15] pwnguin, it works? [08:15] over say nv [08:15] i just want 1280x800 res with no problems? [08:15] is that all? [08:16] nv? [08:16] the default crappy driver [08:16] pwnguin, i play games so i need opengl/directx support [08:16] well [08:16] directx aint happening :P [08:16] * lucent :P [08:17] directx works fine for me =) [08:18] ohhh well [08:18] lucent, ill be back tmw 2 wine hopefully u won't be here =) [08:19] * lucent stabs, repeatedly [08:20] trendy XP-groping gamer baby! die [08:21] pwnguin: where exactly in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf did you say resolution configuration is? [08:21] i didn't [08:21] I'm calling your card, it's either called something different that I'm not familiar with or you're just making shit up [08:22] i just mentioned the file name; gdm setup is craptacular [08:23] anyhow I'll just drop the question [08:23] you DONT know and I surely don't know [08:24] I'm pleased that another one liner bug is dead that affects usability in Jaunty Alpha3 [08:34] gdm resolution is simply set by x, isn't it? [08:39] yes, but resolution after logging in can be different from the gdm initial screen [08:40] I'd imagine a preferredmode line in xorg.conf would do it [08:40] Option "PreferredMode" "string" [08:40] This optional entry specifies a mode to be marked as the pre‐ [08:40] ferred initial mode of the monitor. (RandR 1.2-supporting [08:40] drivers only) [08:41] where mode is "1024x768" or "1024x768@72", or so forth [08:42] any word on the gnome-power-manager bug? [08:42] pegging xorg with expensive calls? [09:02] i'm trying to debug /join #ubuntu-devel [09:37] wow anyone use XFCE? this thing is so nice. [10:33] lo all. I'm running alpha 3 on a MacBook, and have a bit of a weird problem. When I boot the macbook without usb-keyboard, I can login (GDM), but once logged in, the keyboard is disabled. When I then attach the USB keyboard, both the usb and the internal keyboard work fine. When I then unplug the usb one, the internal one keeps working. After reboot: same issue. [10:34] Should I just file a bug, or does anyone have a suggestion? [10:34] Should also mention that it only happens with a user that existed before the upgrade from Intrepid [10:35] With a newly created user everything works fine === [pErry] is now known as [perry] [15:07] selecting text for copy-pasting is almost impossible to do with latest xserver-xorg-input-synaptics :( If you go to preference->mouse, and try the "light icon" pressing mouse1 and dragging (like when selecting text), you'll notice that it doesn't work like it should. [15:15] hi [15:15] is Jaunty going to have USB MIDI support? [15:15] because it's utterly utterly broken in Intrepid [15:20] Hi, I'm currently running ubuntu 8.10 with 2.6.28-5-generic x64 kernel and I just can't see nothing when i go in system < admin < hardware drivers. Is that a know issue or someone knows how to solve this? [15:39] bernier: #ubuntu [15:45] legodude_ sorry, it's a mistake , im not running 8.10 [15:45] but jaunty [15:45] ah [15:45] what drivers? [15:45] nvidia [15:47] bernier: you have to modify your xorg.conf and add the line [Option "IgnoreABI" "True"] in the "ServerFlags" section... then the driver should show up in the list. [15:47] aren't there stability problems with that [15:47] ok Ill try that anks [15:48] legodude_: so far I've not found any... yet [15:50] I'm currently running 180.22 and it's working fairly well so far. [15:51] the only issue I've found is a problem with 64bit flash beta locking up firefox. but that's almost expected. [15:57] ok im back [15:57] i just looked in xog.conf and I have no serverflags section since i reconfigure it using sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [15:58] Hey all... Is there any plan to bump Python up to 2.6 in jaunty? [15:58] k, make a backup copy of that xorg.conf then run [nvidia-xconfig] as root... it will add the needed elements. [15:59] It appears (at least in fairly simple tests) to perform quite a bit better than 2.5.* and has better features (for developers) [15:59] Oli``: check to see if there's a "needs packaging" request on launchpad [15:59] if not, there's still time before a feature freeze to get the request in. [16:00] Oli'' why not 3.0? [16:00] bernier: it's not backward compatible (so it'll be a year or three until it's supportable) [16:00] nvidia-xconfig [16:00] oops my bad [16:00] sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found [16:01] k, you need the drivers installed first then. sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 [16:04] ok [16:04] now theres a serverlayout option but no serverflags [16:04] section I mean [16:05] here's the critical part of my xorg.conf file for you to look over: http://paste.ubuntu.com/109440/ [16:06] ok i'll try just creating that section [16:06] do you think the Option "Xinerama" "0" is important? [16:07] no, unless you have 2 monitors. [16:07] good [16:07] ok line added and still not there. I'll try rebooting [16:09] or maybe simply restarting xserver [16:14] ok still nothing in the hardware drivers menu, but drivers are in use [16:14] thanks for your help [16:24] Hi all. I'm having problems with pkg-config and libavcodec and libavformat. On intrepid "pkg-config --cflags libavcodec" shows "-I/usr/include/ffmpeg", and the same for libavformat. On jaunty, both commands just show a blank output, when it should be "-I/usr/include/libavcodec" and "-I/usr/include/libavformat". This seems to be missing from the .pc file. Is this right, or am I being totally stupid? :-) [16:31] bernier: odd, not sure why it's not showing up in the hardware drivers app, but glad the drivers are working now. [16:36] strange issue: with latest xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, click and drag results in a involuntary double click. Try dragging a window around, it will maximize :) [16:37] also, selecting text as in copy-paste is almost imposible. [16:41] does skype work with jaunty? [16:41] hmm... haven't tried that one yet. [16:41] it does [16:43] well i am using AMD64 and get "ALSA lib ../../src/conf.c:2700:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so" [16:45] do you have ia32-libs installed? [16:46] yes [16:47] there should be more text to the error -- could not open because it does not exist, or different ELF class, or whatever [16:48] * hggdh *does* use skype on AMD64 Jaunty [16:49] hm [16:49] hggdh: here also flash breaks pulse [16:49] * Volkodav same here with skype [16:50] I gave up on pulse about a month ago... [16:50] ah okay so youre not running pulse at all? [16:51] nope. Never could get it to work reliably. [16:51] I would have sound, then I would not, etc, etc, etc. Eventually, I just gave up on it [16:52] so thats why your skype works [16:53] yes, maybe. At least it is a difference between our setup [17:05] whatever i just installed gnash it works fine with youtube [17:15] please comment if bug #320639 affects you too. [17:15] Launchpad bug 320639 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Touchpad movement problems in 0.99.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320639 [17:20] so many things enrage me about the state of gnome projects [17:32] compiz seems to be sucking [17:43] Anyone around? === [perry] is now known as [pErry] [17:43] FFForever, just ask your question. If somebody knows the answer, you will get it [17:43] Can someone help me with a nvidia problem? [17:44] i setup nvidia-glx-180 on my system and i added the ignoreABI (on xorg) but when i login i get a black screen =\, i have to use ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f7 to get back my screen after i login [17:47] btw good work i can finally boot without holding a key in jaunty now i just cant login... =\ [17:47] (lol) [17:53] =( [18:17] it seems that gnome locks up upon boot? Is this known? [18:25] roe_, how does it lockup? [18:25] (black screen?) [18:28] I have gdm auto login, so it locks up with a picture of the desktop [18:29] it seems that dbus isn't starting automatically, but Ican start it manually. I also restart hald after I start dbus. [18:30] how do u know if its starting or not? [18:30] roe_, try just going to tty1 and then back to tty7 [18:31] it locks up, I can't change ttys [18:31] ps aux |grep dbus [18:31] ohhh [18:31] returns just the grep [18:31] =\ [18:33] ext4 in jaunty is disaster. [18:33] *is a [18:34] LLStarks: why? [18:35] i am on ext4 should i worry? [18:35] yeah me too :S [18:35] you can't use gparted unless you compile it [18:35] and even then, you can't edit the partitions while they are mounted. [18:35] so compile it? [18:35] so unmount? [18:35] puh [18:35] compile a live cd? [18:35] i thought my machine is about to crash [18:35] DrHalan, yeah.... [18:36] i was grabbing my jaunty cd 2 start over.... [18:36] haha [18:36] if you can show me where the svn allows for a livecd compilation, that would be awesome. [18:36] well ive to say [18:36] i switched to 64bit and ext4 in jaunty it is such a speedup [18:37] i am still on 32bit [18:37] ill be on 32bit till adobe decides to make flash stable... [18:38] i cant play music.... [18:38] do i have 2 reboot after installing plugins? [18:42] bah i only have 4gb of music =\ [18:42] and my 80gb ipod is full... [18:48] FFForever: you can run flash trough ndiswrapper or just use gnash it works fine with youtube [18:49] wtf how the hell would u run flash through ndiswrapper..... [18:49] DrHalan, i play lots of flash games XD [18:51] ripping out gnome from jaunty and installing gnome from intrepid is fun [18:51] roe_, i can only imagine... [18:51] roe why not just rip out gnome and install from svn? [18:52] oh because that is mroe likely to result in a working system [18:52] [18:52] ... [18:52] can ubuntu play itunes movies? [18:52] i have a few i bought.... [18:52] drm? [18:53] do they sell them without drm =P [18:53] aren't they or is that just music? [18:54] i assume they have fairplay... === Oli``` is now known as Oli`` [19:05] Hmm, I wonder which'll be first: Xorg-1.6-supporting fglrx, or R600 3D support in radeon / radeonhd? [19:08] anyone know what package is responsible for picking up usb events? [19:11] roe_: hal or udev i think, not sure [19:16] fun times [19:16] ubuntu doesn't like when you downgrade udev [19:16] gentoo ftw? [19:16] i like ubuntu but this login bug is annoying... [19:16] no, debian ftw [19:17] i a stuck on 7.10 or 9.04 =\ [19:17] login bug? [19:17] either i change the ttyp to 1 then back to 7 or i stay out outdated 7.10 witch i have to compile everything since its so bloody outdated.... [19:18] huh? [19:18] btw nice changes on the installer (except the map didn't work 4 me....) [19:18] What's the symptom? [19:18] DanaG, when i login i get a black screen till i change to tty1 then back to tty7 [19:18] ah. [19:18] DanaG, i am guessing it has to due with nvidia though..... [19:19] Hmm, if you create a temporary new user, does it still do that for the new user? [19:19] DanaG, this was on a fresh install... [19:19] all i did was install nvidia's driver and add ignoreabi in xorg... [19:19] btw why is the xorg config so bare? [19:20] i was amazed it worked since it didn't even list drivers in the xorg.conf.... [19:20] Most configuration is automatic nowadays. [19:20] However, nvidia driver does need to be explicitly specified. [19:21] DanaG, yeah i ran the nvidia-xconfig =) [19:22] DanaG, any idea why my sound would studder in vlc? [19:23] movie player is fine on sound.... [19:24] Hmm, vlc doesn't play well with PulseAudio, for one thing. [19:25] I don't bother with VLC -- for me, it fails miserably at subtitles. [19:25] how can i change to alsa? [19:26] i hate pulseaudio since only ONE app can use sound... i have to quit the other... [19:26] That's an indication that things are NOT using pulseaudio properly, actually. [19:26] And VLC has a specific PulseAudio output plugin. [19:27] For me, my biggest recent issue with PA has been that it crashes on resume from suspend. [19:27] DanaG, are you on a laptop with jaunty by any chance? [19:28] Yeah. [19:28] Using 'radeon' driver. [19:28] do you use the touch pad? [19:28] Yeah... it was initially way too fast for me. [19:28] I had to enable shmconfig and install gsynaptics to tweak the touchpad. [19:28] when i move stuff with the tp it moves them 2 the top right and sticks them there.... [19:29] i have 2 unfocus the window and refocus it and sometimes it works others i am screwed... [19:29] FFForever, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is buggy [19:29] x1250, any better driver 2 use? [19:29] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/320639 [19:29] there was an update this morning for it... [19:29] Launchpad bug 320639 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Touchpad movement problems in 0.99.3" [Undecided,New] [19:30] how do i unload the old one and reload the new one? [19:31] DanaG, i fixed the problem =D [19:31] disabled compiz... XD [19:31] http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14415 [19:31] That's not a "fix", it's a workaround. [19:31] Freedesktop bug 14415 in Driver/radeonhd "Wrong DPI informations with radeonhd" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] [19:31] It's a matter of semantics. [19:31] workaround is better then nothing at this point.... [19:32] DanaG, do u happen to know where i can get the pulse audio driver for vlc? [19:32] aptitude install vlc-plugin-pulse [19:33] of course, you could also just use vlc's alsa output, and configure it to use 'default'. ubuntu 8.10 and newer route everything through pulse regardless. [19:34] dtchen, it studders when i do that [19:34] FFForever: please describe "stutters" more explicitly [19:34] FFForever: also, you can adjust fragment sizes, etc., in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf [19:35] that fixed it [19:35] thanks dtchen =) [19:35] adding that fixed it..., when i used default it would playsound ... stop ... play more sound ... stop on and off on and off... [19:36] on 8.10? you'd need to ensure you have all the updated pulseaudio and libasound2-plugins packages. [19:36] 9.04 [19:37] 8.10 never worked for me... [19:37] i had 2 hold a key to boot so i gave up and downgraded to 7.10 [19:38] hmm [19:38] hold a key? [19:38] dtchen, any idea on how i can add media play back to full screen on vlc? [19:38] yeah hold any key during boot =) [19:38] but its gone on 9.04 [19:39] FFForever: i don't know what you mean by "media play back to full screen" [19:40] add play/pause/stop/etc when in full screen [19:48] FFForever: that works here in both dragon and totem [19:49] FFForever: perhaps your MM hotkeys are not recognised and/or configured? [19:49] dragon? [19:49] ohhh i was talking about an onscreen one.... [19:49] dragon is kde4's totem [19:50] "an onscreen"...? [19:51] ill ask in vlc =) [20:11] Anyone know how to downclock an R600 card in Linux? [20:12] I don't care about dynamic power management; I just want to peg the thing in low-speed mode. [20:34]