[00:36] <Flannel> Anyone seeing any packaging bugs related to 8.04.2?  Where the depends can't be satisfied due to version number oddities?
[00:37] <Flannel> vim on the CD is apparently -138+1ubuntu3.1 but in the repos its only -138+1ubuntu3
[00:37] <SeekTherapy> I am having a severe problem with my sound card
[00:41] <greg-g> SeekTherapy: what is the summary of your problem with your sound card?
[00:42] <greg-g> I worded that badly
[00:42] <greg-g> hey SeekTherapy, whats the problem you're having? :)
[00:47] <SeekTherapy>  Creative Labs SB X-Fi
[00:47] <SeekTherapy> cant get it to work
[00:54] <greg-g> SeekTherapy: that specific peice of hardware is known to cause a lot of problems (bad linux support from Creative).  Your best bet would be to ask for support in #ubuntu or on www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:09] <maxb>        vim |           1:7.1-138+1ubuntu3 |             hardy | source, amd64, i386
[01:09] <maxb>        vim |         1:7.1-138+1ubuntu3.1 |    hardy-proposed | source, amd64, i386
[01:09] <maxb> Flannel: ^
[01:10] <maxb> Although, erm, CDs shouldn't be cut from -proposed, I would have thought?
[01:10] <Flannel> maxb: No, I wouldn't think so either.
[01:11] <Flannel> maxb: Looks like the desktop version has 3 but alternate and server have 3.1
[01:40] <hggdh> hum. If that is the case, a bug should be opened
[01:43] <andol> I have a question regarding bug #302822. That comment I just made to it, should that be accompanied by a changed status?
[01:46] <greg-g> andol: can you get someone running Jaunty to confirm that it works?
[01:47] <andol> greg-g: will I do?
[01:48] <hggdh> yes
[01:48] <andol> greg-g: Or is it a problem that I'm the one who actually wrote the completion in question?
[01:49] <hggdh> andol, what do you mean? Is it in the rdiff-backup 1.22-1, or not?
[01:49] <greg-g> andol: no, that isn't a problem, just want to confirm that it actually works :)
[01:50]  * andol just ran a few tests on a januty system, and it seems to be working just fine.
[01:50] <greg-g> then go ahead and mark it fix released.
[01:51] <andol> got it, thanks
[01:51] <hggdh> andol, please update the package as well. Issue was on rdiff-backup
[01:53] <andol> done
[01:53] <hggdh> thank you.
[01:53] <andol> (and yes, it is in the 1.22-1 package)
[01:54] <andol> First bug I've marked "fix released". Actually felt kind of nice :)
[01:55] <Rocket2DMn> lol @ bug 320982
[01:56] <Rocket2DMn> would anybody object if i kindly point to brainstorm and close that
[01:57] <hggdh> Rocket2DMn, sounds very much like a brainstrom thingy. And, yes, I would also like to have it ;-)
[01:58] <Rocket2DMn> are you serious?
[01:58] <Rocket2DMn> how much stuff would have to be changed to implement that
[01:58] <hggdh> pretty much everything
[01:58] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, thats what i thought
[01:59] <hggdh> but -- right now -- if you want to save your settings, it is kind of complex
[01:59] <Rocket2DMn> alright, well i closed the bug
[01:59] <hggdh> there is also the issue with upgrading -- you saved settings, let's say, at 8.04, and want to restore them at 9.04
[01:59] <Rocket2DMn> compatibility would never happen
[02:00]  * hggdh knows from hard and painful experience
[02:00] <hggdh> but one can still wish ;-)
[02:29] <vocx> Anyone wants to test bug 275275
[02:39] <cprofitt> can someone triage this and move it to wish list - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/321005
[02:41] <charlie-tca> 321005 done, cprofitt
[02:41] <cprofitt> thanks charlie-tca
[02:42] <charlie-tca> Thank you for helping
[02:42] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/320993 -- that one looks like a wish list... but I am not sure if the clock applet is a sep package or if that should be gnome
[02:44] <charlie-tca> vocx: could you attach your .xsession-errors log?
[02:44] <vocx> charlie-tca, for the tvtime bug, is that important?
[02:45] <charlie-tca> I'm hoping there is an error concerning it in that file.
[02:45] <charlie-tca> I don't have a tvcard, myself
[02:48] <vocx> charlie-tca, It's a 21 KB file, got a bunch of stuff there. Can I just delete it so it is generated again, after reproducing the bug? I do have several errors about gtk redrawing I guess.
[02:48] <charlie-tca> If you want, otherwise, just add it as a separate attachment.
[02:50] <vocx> charlie-tca, it is auto generated when I login, right? So I log out and back in?
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Correct, to the best of my knowledge
[03:07] <vocx> charlie-tca, http://paste.ubuntu.com/109221/        As you can see, I started tvtime and closed the terminal twice as described in the bug, and nothing shows up. This paste is after rm'ing the log and rebooting my PC, so it's clean, so to speak.
[03:08] <charlie-tca> Well, that happens. Thanks for trying. I will triage the bug.
[03:12] <charlie-tca> Yeah, vocx, nothing there that counts.
[03:12] <cprofitt> charlie-tca, I am not sure if this bug has enough information and the core dump is beyond me... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/320716
[03:13] <cprofitt> I would have liked to see more int he stacktrace, but wanted to pass this to you for a second opinion...
[03:13] <cprofitt> also talking with Rocket2DMn about this...
[03:13] <charlie-tca> Okay, I'll take a look
[03:14] <Rocket2DMn> yeah hey
[03:16] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: That stacktrace is useless. There may be something in one the other logs a developer will be able to use.
[03:16] <cprofitt> that was my thought
[03:17] <cprofitt> I just was not sure on confirming so a dev could look at the coredump
[03:17] <charlie-tca> Being an apport report, I usually look for duplicates to confirm them
[03:17] <cprofitt> good plan
[03:17] <charlie-tca> Well, normally they won't look until we triage it.
[03:18] <cprofitt> right... that is why I was debating confirming and having you triage, but the stacktrace was, as you said, worthless...
[03:18] <cprofitt> and I do not yet speak gdb coredump
[03:19] <charlie-tca> I don't either. Is there any thing close to this already?
[03:19] <cprofitt> there do appear to be a large number of those coming up on a search... looking at them now
[03:19] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=nspluginwrapper&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[03:20] <cprofitt> many of them marked as incomplete
[03:20] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that is a problem. Someone will ask for information, then never get back to see if any was added.
[03:21] <Rocket2DMn> yeah looks like that package is causing some problems, and pedro is asking for more crash info
[03:21] <cprofitt> yep
[03:21] <Rocket2DMn> most people never get back on those though
[03:21] <vocx> Can anyone try this: start totem, then try to start tvtime, it says:  "xvoutput: No YUY2 XVIDEO port available."
[03:22] <cprofitt> It would be good if someone looked at the coredump ... that might have something
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> cprofitt, you could request the same info that pedro is, but in all honesty i would just leave the bug alone for pedro to get to
[03:22] <Rocket2DMn> then it ends up on his subscribed bugs
[03:23] <Rocket2DMn> i dont know how he handles his workflow though
[03:24] <charlie-tca> I'm thinking ask for a backtrace following pedro's example. It appears he can't do anything to fix it without one.
[03:24] <cprofitt> k
[03:25] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, without a good backtrace, this one is not going to see much fixing.
[03:26] <vocx> About 320993, I do have the location for Canary Islands in the clock applet, it's within Spain >
[03:26] <hggdh> cprofitt, looking at coredumps stored in bugs is more complex -- you have to have the same package levels as the report, otherwise you will not get a nice backtrace
[03:26] <cprofitt> cool vocx
[03:27] <cprofitt> hggdh, good to know... I am not ready to load such things, but that is good information for the future
[03:27] <hggdh> cprofitt, this is where the back-end apport retraces comes in (back-end in launchpad)
[03:28] <hggdh> vocx, can you please document it in the bug? Also please check if your package level is the same as the reporter
[03:28] <vocx> ah, I just noticed, he is using Power PC. Why why why?
[03:28] <hggdh> heh
[03:29] <hggdh> vocx, the hardware is not as important in this case as the package levels
[03:29] <vocx> What's current gnome version, 2.24.1? It's the same as the clock applet, which is not included in a separate package, so it must be in the base gnome package I don't know how it's called.
[03:30] <hggdh> current for what distro?
[03:30] <vocx> Ubuntu 8.10
[03:31] <hggdh> yes, gnome is 2.24.1 for 8.10
[04:51] <Craig73> If it's not too much trouble, would someone be able to change bug #110873 to wishlist for me.  (Thanks)
[05:43] <Hew> Craig73: shorewall isn't the right sourcepackage for current releases. Which binary package does the bug apply to?
[06:05] <Hew> Craig73: I've assumed it's shorewall-common. Please change it if this is not the case.
[06:14] <hggdh> its shorewall-common indeed
[07:35] <seektherapy> its me again and i can not find help in Ubuntu with my sound card issue
[07:59] <jmarsden> seektherapy: I'm about to go to bed, but see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems (and this is not the right place to ask for user support).
[07:59] <jmarsden> seektherapy: Since you have the dreaded X-fi, also see if anything at http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=132288 is useful
[08:00] <seektherapy> let me look
[08:02] <seektherapy> ohh, there is a creative channel for ubuntu jmarsden
[08:03] <jmarsden> OK, then try asking in there :)
[08:04] <seektherapy> i think they are all gone.. but i'll keep trying... why dont these stupid companies ever create Ubuntu or linux drivers?
[14:14] <orogor> hi here, anyone know<s what sthe default setting for the ubuntu memory split ?  becaus ei do have 4Gb of ram and i see a commitlimit of 2GB ?
[14:32] <Hew> orogor: Support can be found in #ubuntu
[17:19] <Rocket2DMn> can somebody please have a look at bug 320979 and see if they can find if i have missed something
[17:19] <Rocket2DMn> im not seeing any output anywhere that leads me to believe there is anything wrong with their touchpad or configuration
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> Rocket2DMn - that bug needs re-assigning I think. I'm not sure which source package it belongs too, but xserver-xorg-input-synaptics doesn't exist from Gutsy onwards
[17:28] <Rocket2DMn> chrisccoulson, it exists
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> the binary package of that name exists, but the source package is actually xfree86-driver-synaptics it seems
[17:29] <Rocket2DMn> i had the bug filed under xorg initially, Timo filed it under the synaptics package, which is where the wiki says to file these types of bugs
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> hmmm
[17:29] <Rocket2DMn> so i left it there
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> according to launchpad, the latest release of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is 0.14.6 in gutsy
[17:30] <tjaalton> the source will be renamed some time
[17:30] <tjaalton> depending on debian
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[17:31] <Rocket2DMn> in any case, i stil cant figure out what is wrong
[17:31] <tjaalton> we used to have x-x-i-s but it was more difficult to merge
[17:31] <Rocket2DMn> tho it does appear that recent updates in jaunty are breaking some touchpads
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the touchpad is correctly enumerated in HAL and Xorg is detecting it too
[17:32] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, thats why im very confused, there arent any errors, everything says its thtere
[17:38] <Rocket2DMn> so, no ideas on that bug huh?
[17:41] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, Jaunty has xserver-xorg-input-synaptics at 0.99.3-1ubuntu2
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - see above ^^^
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> thats the name of the binary package. the name of the source package is xfree86-driver-synaptics
[17:42] <hggdh> duh
[17:42] <hggdh> sorry
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> thats ok :)
[17:43]  * hggdh goes back to munchinig some grass, just in case
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> lol
[17:44] <Rocket2DMn> hmmm, well ill wait for the bug OP to respond again, i "me too"-ed another synaptics bug
[17:44] <Rocket2DMn> could be that the OP is having the same behavior but didnt explain very well
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> possibly. it does seem that driver was updated a few hours ago
[17:46] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, LP should be updated, then, to map the source package
[17:46] <loic-m> tjaalton: I contacted Ron in Debian to know if there's any ETA on wacom drivers 0.8.2.2 in Debian
[17:47] <loic-m> tjaalton: but he might be busy, or maybe it's because of the freeze in Debian
[17:47] <loic-m> tjaalton: could we package them for Ubuntu before FF?
[17:48] <loic-m> tjaalton: unlike 0.8.1.6 it's a stable release (so further updates/patching might be easier if there's need for an SRU)
[17:49] <loic-m> tjaalton: and they have at least one patch for Tablet PC that hopefully also solve [one/a few] bug[s] in Launchpad
[17:49] <tjaalton> loic-m: well, it's completely broken for me :)
[17:49] <tjaalton> I've done the package today
[17:50] <tjaalton> but instead uploaded a fix to the current one which doesn't crash X when unplugging the tablet
[17:50] <loic-m> tjaalton: the 0.8.2.2 package?
[17:50] <tjaalton> loic-m: yes
[17:51] <tjaalton> um
[17:51] <loic-m> tjaalton: do you know what is broken?
[17:51] <tjaalton> I suspect it's the commit "Updated wcmUSB.c to ignore unparsed data" which broke it
[17:52] <loic-m> tjaalton: is the fix Linuxwacom-discuss] [PATCH] the driver tries to xfree(priv) more than once (lw-discuss)?
[17:52] <tjaalton> since I only get these ignore errors when the pen is close to the tablet
[17:52] <tjaalton> loic-m: yes, but it was already included in 0.8.2.2
[17:52] <tjaalton> only wrapped inside #ifndef's
[18:04] <loic-m> tjaalton: do you have 0.8.2.2 packages somewhere? and what hw did you test?
[18:05] <tjaalton> loic-m: I'll put it somewhere.. this is a rebranded Waltop tablet
[18:06] <tjaalton> loic-m: uploaded to my ppa;
[18:06] <tjaalton> hrm
[18:06] <loic-m> tjaalton: thanks a lot
[18:07] <tjaalton> https://edge.launchpad.net/~tjaalton/+archive/ppa
[18:07] <loic-m> tjaalton: do you plan to have 0.8.2.2 for sure in Jaunty or is it not decided yet and Jaunty may keep 0.8.1.6?
[18:08] <tjaalton> loic-m: I'll report this bug and hopefully we'll have a fixed version :)
[18:08] <tjaalton> so 0.8.2.x likekly
[18:08] <tjaalton> -k
[18:09] <loic-m> tjaalton: thanks. I'll build/test them on Intrepid, and latter in Jaunty
[18:13] <tjaalton> loic-m: well, you might have to change it for intrepid.. the configure script is buggy and I needed to hardcode some things..
[18:13] <tjaalton> to make it build in jaunty
[18:18] <vocx> Isn't there a way "grep" all bug reports for a package, say, totem? Apparently the search function of Launchpad only works on the title of the bug.
[18:19] <loic-m> tjaalton: if it goes over my head I'll just install Jaunty ;)
[18:19] <tjaalton> loic-m: just #undef WCM_XORG_XSERVER_1_6 from linuxwacom/src/include/xdrv-config.h if it fails :)
[18:20] <loic-m> tjaalton: thanks
[18:21] <loic-m>  tjaalton: a lot. I wouldn't have managed to find that line by myself.
[18:22] <tjaalton> loic-m: np
[18:41] <andol> A question regarding bug #296952. Is now a good time to set its status as "In progress", or should that be done be a real developer?
[18:59] <andresmujica> normally that would be done by the ubuntu's dev that assumes that package
[19:00] <andresmujica> you've made a nice work providing those patches.
[19:01] <andresmujica> maybe at #ubuntu-server you can ping someonte to take a look
[19:07] <vocx> andol, ^
[19:13] <andol> andresmujica: I'll do that, thanks.
[19:18] <vocx> Anyone with a working TV card wants to try to run tvtime and totem-gstreamer at the same time. From the terminal, first run "totem" then "tvtime". Should this be considered a bug in tvtime, totem, or the video driver? Check bug #210132
[22:05] <sectech> Can someone from bug-control give me there opinion on bug 313439
[22:06] <greg-g> sectech: without reading the whole thing: it should be forwarded upstream, it is a request to change something in nautilous
[22:06] <greg-g> s/something/a setting/g
[22:07] <sectech> feature request
[22:08] <sectech> I can file a bug upstream for gnome... and mark this as wishlish
[22:08] <greg-g> well, isn't a new feature, per se, but it is something that they would be the ones you should talk to
[22:08] <greg-g> low is fine for now, wait until upstream tells you if it is a feature request or not
[22:08] <sectech> I doubt this is the first time it's been requested
[22:08] <greg-g> s/not/a bug/g  #grrs at hitting enter too soon
[22:08] <sectech> fair enough
[22:57] <vocx> just makes me laugh when people do s///g on irc channels, like they could actually change what they wrote... too much scripting...
[22:58] <hggdh> simpler than copying, pasting, and correcting...
[23:00] <vocx> But really... it's actually confusing since you have to actually search for the match and substitute in your head... yourself, not sed, grep, awk, whatevar... and no, it's actually simpler to copy paste
[23:06] <hggdh> it may indeed be true -- but a lot of us here are developers, and most vim users... so it is immediate for us
[23:07] <vocx> yeah, it's kinda cool, but at the same time scary... makes you think
[23:10] <Rocket2DMn> use whatever works for you when you correct yourself
[23:12] <vocx> yes, but think of the other people, your conventions might not be theirs, just like actual code... how ironic.
[23:15] <vocx> By the way, there is this really strange bug with my current installation. Ubunut 8.10. Nautilus. When I press shift to select multiple directories or files, an arrow of the first folder is selected so I actually expand this directory instead of selecting multiple files. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, and this is probably fixed already, but I still would like to read a bug report if someone has it.