| InHisName | How can I tell when I have enough pieces of java installed into ubuntu that java IS complete? | 04:09 |
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| InHisName | I have installed several java items, such as jre such and such, java6 etc. and others. I have Hardy 64 bit with 64 bit browsers. | 04:10 |
| InHisName | I have two online classes from different schools and both have java tests and both fail. One I cannot even log in, says applet running but wont ever accept text at input boxes. It will work in firefox under XP. A java applet not running right under ff in Hardy. | 04:14 |
| Peddy | Is there a way to get Java apps to play sound through Pulseaudio? | 09:19 |
| persia | Peddy, Yes, but it's new. | 09:26 |
| Peddy | persia: I'm willing to give it a try. | 09:26 |
| persia | I'm just checking to see which you need now. | 09:26 |
| Peddy | Thanks persia | 09:27 |
| persia | Looks like the version in jaunty is preconfigured to work with the regular sound API. | 09:28 |
| persia | For intrepid, I think it needs to be configured differently. | 09:28 |
| Peddy | ok | 09:28 |
| persia | But I can't find a configuration file :( | 09:29 |
| Peddy | Is it just a newer version of PA? | 09:30 |
| persia | It's also passing --enable-pulse-java when building openJDK | 09:30 |
| Peddy | So I could just build my own openJDK, and use those parametres? | 09:31 |
| persia | Maybe. | 09:31 |
| persia | The version in intrepid Recommends pulseaudio, but doesn't depend on it, which makes me uncertain. | 09:31 |
| Peddy | If I have a Java app that uses ALSA rather than PA, will the sound card still be locked? | 09:32 |
| persia | What are you using to make sound? javax.sound.* ? | 09:33 |
| Peddy | probably, right, since the ALSA stuff is still piped through PA? | 09:33 |
| Peddy | I don't know, I'm just running someone else's Java program. | 09:33 |
| persia | Well, it depends on how they've coded it. | 09:34 |
| Peddy | ok, I'm going to go with the openJDK pulseaudio thing. | 09:34 |
| persia | If it uses some special library (e.g. tritonus), it may not switch. | 09:34 |
| Peddy | Ok, I'm going to download the openjdk source. Once it's done, could you help me with compiling it correctly? | 09:35 |
| persia | If it's just using javax.sound, it should just automatically use pulse if that's enabled in the JRE. | 09:35 |
| persia | Hold on: there's probably a simpler way. | 09:35 |
| Peddy | ok | 09:36 |
| Peddy | Ok, I've downloaded the source, and the binary plug thing. | 09:42 |
| Peddy | The binary plug is asking where to install itself, where should I install it | 09:42 |
| Peddy | ? | 09:42 |
| persia | Hrm? | 09:44 |
| persia | From where did you download it? Nothing in Ubuntu should ask anything like that. | 09:45 |
| Peddy | nevermind, I can install the binary plugs to anywhere. | 09:45 |
| Peddy | persia, I'm compiling the latest openJDK with --enable-pulse-java | 09:45 |
| persia | Ah. I'd consider that the hard way :) | 09:45 |
| Peddy | well, it seems to be the only way for me right now :) besides, it's already compiling. | 09:46 |
| persia | OK. | 09:46 |
| persia | If I were doing it, I'd have used apt-get source to get the version in intrepid, edited the commented-out with_pulse = yes in debian/rules to match the change in the patch at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19830233/openjdk-6_6b13%7Epre1-0ubuntu2_6b13%7Epre1-0ubuntu3.diff.gz and used debuild to create a package. | 09:47 |
| Peddy | How do you apt-get source in Ubuntu? That's something I never knew how to do. | 09:48 |
| persia | From a terminal, run `apt-get source openjdk-6` | 09:48 |
| persia | That will download the source for openJDK, and the build infrastructure used to create the packge. | 09:49 |
| Peddy | where does it download it to? | 09:49 |
| persia | Then you can run `sudo apt-get build-dep openjdk-6` to get all the support libraries you need installed. | 09:49 |
| persia | It downloads to the current directory. | 09:49 |
| Peddy | great, thanks. | 09:49 |
| Peddy | I'd rather do that, anyway. | 09:50 |
| persia | Yeah. Saves a few headaches in dealing with known fixes for Ubuntu, and package installation/removal :) | 09:50 |
| Peddy | ok, it's downloaded. | 09:51 |
| persia | OK. Now install the packages required to build with apt-get build-dep | 09:52 |
| Peddy | done | 09:52 |
| persia | Next, in the openjdk source directory, you want to edit the debian/rules file | 09:53 |
| Peddy | wait, it's apt-get build-dep openjdk-6-jdk, right? or -jre | 09:53 |
| persia | Just openjdk-6 | 09:53 |
| persia | apt-get build-dep works on source packages. | 09:54 |
| Peddy | ok | 09:54 |
| Peddy | it's downloading | 09:54 |
| persia | OK. While that's going on, you can edit the rules file. | 09:54 |
| Peddy | ype | 09:54 |
| persia | Find the place where it has with_pulse = yes commented out. | 09:54 |
| Peddy | yep* | 09:55 |
| persia | I've made an edit from the jaunty patch to work on intrepid that you can see at http://paste.ubuntu.com/109301/ | 09:55 |
| persia | Just delete all 5 commented out lines, and add those three lines to build with pulse on intrepid (you are running intrepid, right?) | 09:55 |
| Peddy | ye | 09:55 |
| Peddy | s | 09:55 |
| persia | OK. | 09:56 |
| persia | Once you save your edits, then from the package directory, run `dch -i` | 09:56 |
| Peddy | wait | 09:56 |
| persia | This will create a changelog entry where you can document the change. I'd recommend something like "* Configure with pulseaudio in intrepid" | 09:56 |
| * persia waits | 09:57 | |
| Peddy | (: | 09:57 |
| Peddy | ok | 09:57 |
| Peddy | where is the rules file? | 09:57 |
| Peddy | I was in the directory of the manually-downloaded openjdk when I apt-get source, so that kinda messed everything up :/ | 09:57 |
| persia | In the directory where you ran `apt-get source openjdk-6`, it should have created a directory containing the unpacked source code. | 09:58 |
| Peddy | yes | 09:58 |
| persia | Ah. You might want to start in a new scratch directory :) | 09:58 |
| Peddy | I did, and that's what took so long xD I had to download everything again. | 09:58 |
| Peddy | and | 09:58 |
| Peddy | I'm in /debian, what's the file called again? | 09:58 |
| persia | OK. So, in that directory, there is a directory named "debian". | 09:58 |
| persia | The instructions for the build are in debian/rules | 09:58 |
| Peddy | great | 09:59 |
| Peddy | ok | 09:59 |
| Peddy | which lines do I un-comment? | 09:59 |
| persia | Look for "with_pulse = yes" | 09:59 |
| Peddy | got it | 10:00 |
| persia | Then, delete 5 lines and add three lines as outlined at http://paste.ubuntu.com/109301/ | 10:00 |
| Peddy | with_pulse wasn't actually commented. | 10:00 |
| persia | Interesting. | 10:01 |
| persia | I've just been guessing off the patch for the upload that said it was enabled. Now I actually have to look :) | 10:01 |
| Peddy | It says this: ifeq ($(with_pulse),yes)<newline>CONFIGURE_ARGS += --enable-pulse-java, maybe I should compile like that? | 10:02 |
| * persia is reading the rules file for intrepid | 10:03 | |
| Peddy | (: | 10:03 |
| persia | OK. Di you see where it has DISTRIBUTION_PATCHES | 10:04 |
| persia | s/Di/Do/ | 10:04 |
| Peddy | yes | 10:04 |
| persia | Just above that, there are five lines that have logic to set with_pulse | 10:04 |
| Peddy | yep | 10:05 |
| persia | You want to delete those lines, and instead use the three lines from the pastebin. | 10:05 |
| Peddy | done | 10:06 |
| Peddy | wait a sec chmoding | 10:06 |
| Peddy | I can't save file :/ | 10:06 |
| persia | Did you run `sudo apt-get source ...` ? | 10:07 |
| Peddy | Yes L. | 10:07 |
| Peddy | :/ | 10:08 |
| Peddy | apt-get, right? I'm so used to using 'sudo'. | 10:08 |
| persia | OK. This is recoverable without downloading everything again. | 10:08 |
| Peddy | Yeah, I'm changing the permissions. | 10:08 |
| persia | No, don't do that. | 10:08 |
| Peddy | ok | 10:08 |
| persia | Some of the permissions are important | 10:08 |
| Peddy | ah | 10:08 |
| persia | So, go back to your scratch directory, which should have the source directory, a tarball, a .diff.gz file, and a .dsc file. | 10:09 |
| persia | sudo rm -r the source directory | 10:09 |
| Peddy | I'm in here. | 10:09 |
| Peddy | rm -r? | 10:09 |
| Peddy | so | 10:09 |
| Peddy | the openjdk-6-6b12/ directory? | 10:09 |
| persia | Yes. You want to delete the unpacked source, and keep the tarball, etc. | 10:09 |
| persia | Then, as a normal user, run dpkg-source -x on the .dsc file. | 10:10 |
| persia | This will give you an unpacked source directory controlled by your user. | 10:10 |
| Peddy | ok, I can write to it. | 10:10 |
| Peddy | Sorry about my noobishness, and thanks for your patience :) | 10:10 |
| persia | No problems :) Thanks for taking the trouble to do it the Ubuntu way, rather than giving up and using upstream sources. | 10:11 |
| Peddy | :) | 10:11 |
| Peddy | Ok, I've edited and saved the file. | 10:11 |
| persia | OK. Next, from the package directory, run dch -i | 10:12 |
| persia | Then add a note to the changelog that you've configured it with pulse | 10:12 |
| Peddy | done | 10:14 |
| persia | Now, run debuild to build your modified package | 10:14 |
| Peddy | Ok, I have to go :(. After debuild, do I just configure with enable-pulse-java, or does debuild make a deb package? | 10:15 |
| persia | debuild makes a deb package. | 10:15 |
| persia | The change you made to debian/rules will cause that package to be configured with enable-pulse-java | 10:16 |
| Peddy | k | 10:16 |
| Peddy | ok, thanks a lot for your help. | 10:16 |
| Peddy | bye! I'll let you know how it went tomorrow. | 10:17 |
| Peddyt | ok, my mum told me to get off, but i've sshd in from my phone with irssi, persia. | 10:24 |
| persia | Peddyt, It's late. Tomorrow will be fine :) | 10:25 |
| Peddyt | debuild says i need some pulseaudio dev stuff. | 10:26 |
| persia | Oh, right, because it wouldn't have that in Build-Depends, because it wasn't enabled. I'll dig it up. | 10:26 |
| Peddyt | it's not so late where i live :) | 10:26 |
| persia | You aren't in NZ? | 10:27 |
| persia | Isn't that UTC+12 ? | 10:27 |
| persia | You need libpulse-dev and pulseaudio. | 10:27 |
| persia | It seems like you need versions > 0.9.12 though, and intrepid only seems to have 0.9.10, so I don't promise it works. | 10:28 |
| persia | There's a pulseaudio 0.9.13 in this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive | 10:29 |
| persia | That's the person who usually makes changes to pulseaudio in Ubuntu, so I'd expect a reasonably safe PPA, but it is a PPA, so no promises it works, and when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. | 10:29 |
| Peddyt | it's 2330 and i do not have school for a while ;) | 10:29 |
| persia | Oh, +13. I always forget about DST. | 10:30 |
| Peddyt | it says i only need 9.11 so i think i'll be ok. | 10:30 |
| persia | intrepid is only 9.10, but good luck. | 10:31 |
| Peddyt | ive tried that ppa it crashed ubuntu | 10:31 |
| persia | Ah. | 10:31 |
| Peddyt | excuse lack of grammar :/ | 10:32 |
| persia | I suspect it's good as PPAs go, but PPAs are special. | 10:32 |
| Peddyt | ok i can't really try java stuff using ssh, so i'll leave it to tomorrow | 10:34 |
| Peddyt | could you pastebin this convo please? | 10:35 |
| persia | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/25/%23ubuntu-java.html doesn't have all of it yet, but it will in about half an hour. | 10:36 |
| persia | It updates about once an hour. | 10:36 |
| Peddyt | excellent, thanks. | 10:37 |
| Peddyt | well, goodnight/day. thanks again. | 10:38 |
| schmiedc | hi | 15:14 |
| schmiedc | i am new to packaging and read the debian policy for java | 15:15 |
| schmiedc | just one question about that. how can i understand the CLASSPATH | 15:16 |
| |aspire| | hello | 18:49 |
| |aspire| | is there any one here? | 18:49 |
| schmiedc | yes | 18:54 |
| |aspire| | schmiedc: how are you | 19:23 |
| schmiedc | fine thx, and you? | 19:27 |
| Peddy | Hi persia, I have installed Pulseaudio from 0.9.13 from themuso's PPA, and like I suspected, I can't log in. It gives the 'session lasted less than 10 seconds' thing with some messages, including "Couldn't exec /usr/bin/pulse-session; no such file or directory". Do you know what could be causing this? | 21:27 |
| Peddy | Logging into failsafe GNOME works. | 21:28 |
| Peddy | even with the 0.9.13 libpulse installed, when I'm debuilding openjdk, it still says 'configure: error: Could not find pulseaudio>=0.9.11 libraries - Try installing pulseaudio-libs-devel>=0.9.11" Do you know why this is? | 21:31 |
| * Peddy purged and reinstalled, brb | 21:34 | |
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