[08:18] <seektherapy> hello
[08:27] <seektherapy> picturesque: 
[08:27] <seektherapy> are you there
[08:28] <domas> yes
[08:28] <domas> :)
[08:28] <seektherapy> oh thank god
[08:28] <seektherapy> i need some help
[08:29] <seektherapy> I dont have sound on my Ubuntu 8.10 but i did before i upgraded... i see the icon on the top left but when i click it i get an error
[08:30] <seektherapy> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[08:31] <seektherapy> Now.. i did find this site
[08:31] <seektherapy> http://support.creative.com/downloads/?h=7   but i am so new i dont know how to configure it
[08:32] <domas> so, you already know more about sound drivers than I do! :)
[08:33] <seektherapy> only because i just saw that irc has a creative channel for ubuntu and i followed the link
[08:33] <seektherapy> I am fairly good at hunting down info..now following directions is the hard part
[08:35] <seektherapy> domas: can you please help me ...PLEASSSSSSSSSSSE
[08:36] <seektherapy> Quick install
[08:36] <seektherapy> [08:36] <seektherapy> In terminal,
[08:36] <seektherapy> 1) Goto source directory
[08:36] <seektherapy> 2) Execute make command as root
[08:36] <seektherapy>    make
[08:36] <seektherapy>    make install
[08:37] <seektherapy> dont know how to do that
[08:37] <pwnguin> (if it's not kernel related, you should probably take it to /msg)
[08:37] <domas> :-( 
[08:37] <domas> btw, my deadlocks seem to have gone away after upgrading to 2.6.28.1
[08:37] <domas> which is good thing.
[08:37] <pwnguin> nifty
[08:38] <seektherapy> well someone told me in the Ubuntu devel channel that it was a kernel problem
[08:38] <domas> having few hundred k of hardware in crashloops ain't fun
[08:38] <domas> seektherapy: how to make is a kernel problem? :(
[08:38] <pwnguin> sound is a many possible things problem
[08:39] <domas> kswapd deadlocks is kernel problem, usually
[08:39] <pwnguin> yes
[08:39] <domas> I was ready to blame some hardware issue 
[08:40] <seektherapy> I'm getting the run around.. sad and i am a girl trying to really learn Ubuntu and thought i could just hop in here and people would be nice to me
[08:41] <seektherapy> Instead i feel like people are pushing me towards windows again
[08:41] <pwnguin> well, we try to organize the channels around subjects and the like.
[08:41] <domas> I use ubuntu just on servers, not much of sound experience ;-) 
[08:41] <domas> except how to make FANS LOUDER
[08:42] <pwnguin> teaching end users is just one part of what goes on in IRC
[08:42] <domas> btw, my colleagues told that someone in #ubuntu-kernel told them kswapd activates only when system is out of memory
[08:43] <domas> so, I was looking guilty for allocating 31GB to mysqld on 32GB box
[08:44] <domas> but apparently any vfs pressure was causing those problems
[08:44] <pwnguin> kswapd should run whenever
[08:44] <domas> indeed
[08:44] <domas> any vfs pressure should keep it working
[08:44] <domas> any direction
[08:45] <pwnguin> if you've got unused stuff, it'll kick it out for more cache
[08:45] <domas> we usually set swappiness to 5 or so
[08:47] <domas> so that rarely happens
[08:48] <domas> anyway, I got those 'soft lockups' against pretty much everything
[08:48] <domas> nc, tar, mysql, jfs/xfs, lvm, .
[08:48] <domas> with standard hardy kernels
[08:50] <pwnguin> a friend was saying he had terrible problems with 8.04 performance. was furious at ubuntu kernel team for patching or something, till he went back to debian and had the same problem
[08:50] <domas> hehe
[08:50] <domas> I'm quite happy about 8.04 performance
[08:51] <domas> if not for crashes on 8-core boxes
[08:51] <domas> I think some new nvidia northbridge chipset is causing troubles
[08:53] <domas> uh uh, 2.6.28.1 isn't happy either: http://p.defau.lt/?Sz4O_rQGfmNopsaVYmbAKw
[08:57] <seektherapy> YOU MEN NEED TO READ THIS SERIOUSLY AND PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS !
[08:57] <seektherapy> http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/10854.aspx
[08:58] <seektherapy> instead y'all keep pretending everything is A OK
[08:59] <seektherapy> this should really concern y'all
[08:59] <domas> seektherapy: *shrug*, I have got 20 new servers that cost >10k$ each, which are not working as they should be, kernel problem
[08:59] <seektherapy> not the point
[08:59] <domas> I also have my own reasons to be frustrated
[08:59] <seektherapy> the point is the adverage comsumer
[09:00] <domas> average consumer should never care about drivers
[09:00] <domas> or kernels
[09:00] <seektherapy> According to WKOW TV, Abbie Schubert recently ordered a Dell laptop, expecting "your classic bread-and-butter computer." But when she unboxed the $1,100 machine that arrived, she didn't find bread and butter. She found Ubuntu.
[09:01] <seektherapy> So she kept Ubuntu, giving up her chance for bread and the butter. Then she decided that Ubuntu doesn't always work like Windows. Her Verizon internet wouldn't load. She couldn't install Microsoft Word. And she said without Word and the internet, she couldn't take online classes at Milwaukee Area Technical College.
[09:01] <domas> *shrug*, I'm mac desktop user :)
[09:01] <seektherapy> then why are you here
[09:02] <domas> because I run few hundred ubuntu servers? :)
[09:02] <seektherapy> keep shrugging as dell boots you out
[09:02] <domas> powering some of bigger web shops
[09:02] <domas> oh, and we have dell servers, poweredges are just fine!
[09:02] <seektherapy> not personal computers
[09:02] <seektherapy> stop it
[09:02] <seektherapy> its not about arguing its about the facts
[09:03] <domas> and "not being able to install Microsoft Word" is probably the best anti-ubuntu argument
[09:03] <domas> so go, stick to it
[09:04] <seektherapy> domas: you seem old enough to know... not many women use linux because they dont know it
[09:04] <seektherapy> not much user support
[09:05] <seektherapy> when a person goes into a channel they are brushed off
[09:05] <domas> there's very much same user support as you'd get from other OS vendors
[09:05] <seektherapy> its like you wont it to fail
[09:05] <seektherapy> oh.. no
[09:05] <seektherapy> not true
[09:06] <seektherapy> I am asking how to run a simple command and no one will help me with that.. most women dont have a clue about commands
[09:08] <domas> exactly, you're asking in venue where people don't know how to explain simple commands
[09:08] <seektherapy> so you dont know how to create a command
[09:09] <seektherapy> i bet if my friend is online.. he would know right off
[09:10] <pwnguin> domas: more like want to
[09:10] <pwnguin> running make is easy
[09:11] <domas> indeed :)
[09:11] <pwnguin> getting someone who doesn't know make up to speed on all the other deficiencies, that's not fun
[09:12] <domas> btw, which is the best channel for generic linux kernel questions? I have quite a few problems with 2.6.28.1 too, not just ubuntu kernels :(
[09:12] <pwnguin> ive no idea
[09:12] <pwnguin> i hear theres a secret irc channel
[09:13] <domas> ages ago there was #kernel 
[09:13] <pwnguin> but i havent the need
[09:13] <domas> actually, it is still there
[09:16] <seektherapy> oh god..y'all are so gay
[09:16] <seektherapy> wasting my time here
[09:16] <seektherapy> bye
[09:17] <Kano> hi, did everybody notice 2.6.28.2?
[09:21] <tjaalton> I noticed it's Sunday ;)
[21:02] <sdf> Hello 
[21:04] <sdf> How i can enable my second Xeon 550 Processor in 6.06 ?, I think i need a SMP kernel ? kindly Help me 
[21:08] <CarlFK> sdf: at some point the default kernel was smp
[21:09] <CarlFK> not sure about 6.06. see if there is a somekernel-smp  package 
[21:10] <sdf> CalFk : there is SMP kernel available for 686 , But my system is Xeon 550 dual
[21:12] <sdf> Is there any SMP kernel patch for 6.06 on i386 ?
[21:17] <andersk> No need for patches.  The default (-686) kernel already supports SMP and should have no trouble running on your hardware.  Are you sure your second CPU isn’t enabled already? 
[21:18] <andersk> To check, you could run grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo 
[21:20] <sdf> andersk : I am sure it is disabled, cause it is shown but disables in command: lshw, i installed the 686 but it shows blank screen at startup , so i have switched back to 386 kernel, it is running just slow 
[21:20] <sdf> shani@CISCOWALL:~$ grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo
[21:20] <sdf> processor       : 0
[21:21] <andersk> The 386 kernel does not support SMP, but all the other ones do. 
[21:22] <sdf> well dont know why my system donot supports 686 :/ , i thought there should be a SMP patch for 386 kernel 
[21:22] <CarlFK> andersk: "686 but it shows blank screen" <- fix that :)
[21:23] <sdf> yeah
[21:23] <sdf> If you are a developer, then i can help you with more information 
[21:24] <sdf> My system is Dell Xeon 550 dual with 1.5 GB RAM , and 20 GB hardisk , every thing is running as 386 kernel , but my second processor is disables so system is a bit slow
[21:24] <CarlFK> sdf: pretty sure that kernel is not being worked on any more 
[21:25] <sdf> aah
[21:25] <sdf> What about 8.10 installer, It is also get hanged before reaching the live CD's Desktop ? it is also not supporting my system, whats wrong ? 
[21:27] <sdf> i have changed many CD;s, removed all RAM, tried to run with 512 MB and 1.5GB of RAM, but it just show me a 8.10 logo with moving bar ? 
[21:27] <CarlFK> ask in #ubutnu - there's a bunch of things you can do.  try the Alt cd would be my idea.
[21:28] <sdf> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html
[21:28] <sdf> i got this answer from #ubuntu
[21:30] <CarlFK> ask about: What about 8.10 installer, It is also get hanged...
[21:30] <sdf> k