| jjesse-dell9 | hrmm | 01:38 |
|---|---|---|
| jjesse-dell9 | are things still on track to quassel being the default irc client for jaunty? | 01:39 |
| dtchen | i dunno, but i do know that i far prefer kubuntu[ 9.04]'s default notification priorities | 01:55 |
| ScottK | jjesse_: There's a meeting scheduled or being scheduled to make the decision. MIR is written and pending MIR Team approval. | 04:12 |
| ScottK | seele: I just updated Quassel in my PPA again, so once it builds (it'll be awhile as the buildd's are backlogged) there should be something for you. | 06:01 |
| ScottK | This one uses system icons where they are available and has a few bug fixes. | 06:02 |
| rgreening | ScottK: any idea on amarok2 and kmail akonadi issue resolution? Still seems to be a problem. | 06:06 |
| ScottK | Did Riddell upload mysql 5.1 yesterday or today? | 06:06 |
| ScottK | If not, then it's known not fixed. | 06:06 |
| rgreening | dunno. would it be in a PPA or in main? | 06:07 |
| ScottK | apachelogger had come up with something, but I'm not sure if got uploaded. | 06:07 |
| ScottK | In the archive | 06:07 |
| ScottK | Not PPA. | 06:07 |
| rgreening | hmm.. dunno... | 06:07 |
| rgreening | I just tried an update and it still fails | 06:07 |
| ScottK | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/5.1.30-2ubuntu4 is the thing that's supposed to fix it. | 06:08 |
| ScottK | It's in Binary New. | 06:08 |
| ScottK | So patience. | 06:08 |
| ScottK | rgreening: ^^ How's kvirc coming? | 06:09 |
| rgreening | ScottK: now that 4.2 is pretty well packaged, I should have it uploaded/updated in the AM | 06:09 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 06:09 |
| ScottK | That solves one of the arts rdepends too. | 06:10 |
| rgreening | ScottK: when is the package freeze? | 06:10 |
| rgreening | ya | 06:10 |
| ScottK | 19th I think. | 06:10 |
| rgreening | ok. | 06:10 |
| knusperfrosch | i did it once again, koffice-data-kde4 is blocking apt due to some icons. what was the fix for that? | 09:48 |
| Riddell | "updates are being automatically installed" not sure we want packagekit to do that | 10:36 |
| a|wen | who is responsible for the ichthux-desktop package? (depends on arts) | 10:46 |
| Riddell | a|wen: raphink and txwikinger | 10:54 |
| a|wen | Riddell: okay, are they aware that arts should be removed from the depends? | 10:56 |
| Riddell | hopefully they are now :) | 10:56 |
| a|wen | :) | 10:57 |
| mok0 | Ridell, I uploaded codelite again (which you rejected first time around). The uploader has removed the offending bits. Good catch! | 11:04 |
| Riddell | mok0: what did I object to again? | 11:04 |
| mok0 | Riddell: oh, a bunch of .dll's and .exe files | 11:05 |
| Riddell | oh aye, nasty those | 11:05 |
| mok0 | Riddell: yep. I am not sure if Mono creates .dll's | 11:06 |
| mok0 | Riddell: if so, there may be some of those left | 11:06 |
| mok0 | Riddell: in the binaries that is | 11:06 |
| Riddell | mok0: hmm, there's still windows binaries in sdk/wxsqlite3/sqlite3/*/*exp | 11:09 |
| mok0 | Riddell: huh? | 11:09 |
| * mok0 looks | 11:09 | |
| mok0 | Riddell: uhm I can't download it from the queue page? | 11:11 |
| Riddell | mok0: why do you need to? didn't you just upload it | 11:12 |
| mok0 | Riddell: I deleted it | 11:12 |
| mok0 | Riddell: I'll get it from REVU | 11:12 |
| mok0 | Riddell: what's the md5sum of the .orig.tar.gz you have? | 11:20 |
| Riddell | mok0: 8848d5ba2d19f41c1bfd879297de2103 | 11:21 |
| mok0 | Same as mine | 11:21 |
| mok0 | Riddell: I can't see any *exp files? | 11:22 |
| mok0 | oh wait | 11:22 |
| mok0 | damn | 11:23 |
| mok0 | Riddell: ok. I'll contact uploader, please reject it again (if it's convenient for you) | 11:23 |
| Riddell | done | 11:27 |
| mok0 | Riddell: thanks, and thanks for your alertness. | 11:27 |
| mok0 | Riddell: I know nothing about the windows platform, so I don't recognize those extensions. I should have done a "file" on the whole tree though... | 11:28 |
| a|wen | is it possible to do a no-change rebuild of a package easily? | 12:22 |
| Riddell | a|wen: dch -i, debuild -S, dput | 12:23 |
| a|wen | Riddell: i mean in the real archives ... should a debdiff be prepared, or can we simply request it | 12:23 |
| Riddell | real archives? same process whatever the archive | 12:24 |
| Riddell | you simply upload it | 12:24 |
| a|wen | Riddell: atleast kvirc oose arts depends when being rebuild ... i just need someone to test that a rebuild doesn't break it (i'm on intrepid now) | 12:26 |
| a|wen | s/oose/loose/ | 12:27 |
| Riddell | a|wen: make a chroot | 12:27 |
| a|wen | Riddell: what was the status of the old kde3 kdelibs ... were we trying to get rid of those as well? | 12:32 |
| Riddell | a|wen: we hope to get it off the CD (looking unlikely though), it'll stay in ubuntu for a good while yet | 12:34 |
| a|wen | okay, thx | 12:37 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, how about reducing kdelibs4's dependencies? ...like remove avahi | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | smarter: pling | 12:54 |
| === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-lunch | ||
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: 1) hola 2) what's with that Connor Imes dude marking bugs as triaged which are clearly not triaged? | 13:08 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: isn't avahi needed? why would we want to remove it? | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: because it pulls in it's qt3 binding stuff ... also I don't think it's needed for the apps we have left | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | only konqueror used it for zeroconf:/ AFAIK | 13:12 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: no clue, I guess he think has-backtrace-but-not-upstreamed is triaged | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: has-backtrace-and-is-upstreamed wouldn't even suffice from my point of view :P | 13:20 |
| * apachelogger demands to know how to reproduce | 13:20 | |
| JontheEchidna | has-backtrace-and-has-a-confirmed-upstream-bug | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | even better yet | 13:20 |
| JontheEchidna | any way to make quassel's tray icon blink when you're highlighted? | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | Sput: ^ | 13:22 |
| * apachelogger thought it did at some point | 13:22 | |
| Sput | JontheEchidna: waiting for nuno to finish the systray animation and for me to put it into code then :) | 13:23 |
| JontheEchidna | nice | 13:23 |
| Sput | or not using KDE integration | 13:23 |
| JontheEchidna | oh well, if I'm at least at the computer I'll see the plasma notificatoin | 13:24 |
| Sput | and the taskbar highlight | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | well, I usually keep quassel in the systray when I'm not using it | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | probably because the plasma panel sucked for KDE 4.0 and 4.1 | 13:24 |
| JontheEchidna | and horizontal panel space was in extreme lack | 13:25 |
| Sput | ah well, the animation will come back | 13:26 |
| Sput | in some form certainly for 0.4 which is supposed to go into jaunty | 13:26 |
| * Sput wonders if that should be a configurable option, or if it should just always animate on highlight | 13:26 | |
| apachelogger | why would one not want to have it animate? | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | who wants to give me a cookie? | 13:31 |
| JontheEchidna | ~order cookie for apachelogger | 13:31 |
| * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. | 13:31 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/fancyshell.ogv | 13:31 |
| * apachelogger munches cookie and watches openoffice crash | 13:31 | |
| agateau | hello | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | agateau: greetings | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: wanna do some cpp haxx0ring? ;-) | 13:39 |
| rgreening | on? | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: kcmfiletypes | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: kde bug 158895 | 13:42 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 158895 in kcmfiletypes "change file icons in file association dialog" [Wishlist,Assigned] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158895 | 13:42 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I'll have a look | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: dfaure would be glad ... so would the 3 users who actually use that ;-) | 13:43 |
| rgreening | lol | 13:43 |
| rgreening | ScottK: working on kvirc now. snapshot for jan 26th is bad... reverting to earlier one to see if working. | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: did you test kvirc without arts? | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | not that it would matter, considering it only got 2 users and rgreening is going to replace it with the KDE 4 version anyway :P | 13:46 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: i started it in a chroot, and was able to connect to #kubuntu-devel | 13:46 |
| rgreening | kvirc4.0.0 svn 3034 seems to be compiling... | 13:50 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=3034&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 3034 | quotactl support added for libc <5.4.38 | 13:50 |
| rgreening | lol, stupid bot. | 13:50 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: good enough | 13:53 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: the dep was caused through recursive linking? | 13:54 |
| a|wen- | hmm "--disable-FEATURE do not include FEATURE (same as --enable-FEATURE=no)" ... how do you get ./configure to spit out which $FEATURE i can disable/enable? | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: that should be right under that message :P | 13:55 |
| rgreening | FTBFS.. dam | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address | 13:57 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: uh, sry ... thought about it, but ended up forgetting it again :/ | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | :) | 13:59 |
| ScottK | rgreening: I'd just take the working snapshot you had before and kvirc-kde4/kvirc and move on. | 13:59 |
| ScottK | It seemed good when I tested it. | 13:59 |
| * a|wen- wonders how to turn off arts in knights then | 13:59 | |
| apachelogger | a|wen: probably also recursive linking? | 14:01 |
| rgreening | ScottK: I'm looking at the svn code. It seems not kvirc related, but rather KDE4.2 issue... | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: assuming knights is a KDE app | 14:01 |
| rgreening | ScottK: I'm going to update my pbuilder and try again | 14:01 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 14:01 |
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| a|wen- | apachelogger: yeah, it is | 14:02 |
| a|wen- | checking for mcopidl... not found | 14:02 |
| a|wen- | configure: error: The important program mcopidl was not found! | 14:02 |
| a|wen- | Please check whether you installed aRts correctly. | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: I think we'll have to patch, remove the package, or just leave it alone | 14:03 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: yeah, i suppose so | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: do you have time to write the author a mail? | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | last release was a beta in 2005 ... looks pretty maintainerless I think | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | the website also is rather weird ;-) | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | kvirc_3.4.0-3ubuntu1.dsc: done. | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: ^ please make sure you incorporate the changelog entry | 14:07 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: thx | 14:07 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: i'll try to see if i can find out anything; but afaik it is quite maintainerless | 14:08 |
| Riddell | akonadi has a nasty habit of making dbus-daemon run out of control | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | a|wen-: I would tend to file a removal request then | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: didn't notice any of that sort | 14:09 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: the debian-package is a patchwork from 2004 onwards | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | is it me or is ubuntu popcorn just unusable? | 14:11 |
| apachelogger | -r | 14:11 |
| apachelogger | a|wen-: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=knights | 14:12 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: is that high or low? | 14:12 |
| rgreening | http://blog.greghaynes.net/index.php?/archives/35-Kobby-Inserted-Its-First-Collaborative-Text.html | 14:13 |
| rgreening | That's an app we will eventually want | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | a|wen-: putting things in relation: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=gnome-chess | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: if it is as buggy as gobby, I can probably live without it :P | 14:14 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: It's just being developed now (hence the 'eventually') :) | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 14:14 |
| rgreening | I may offer to help dev it later on... | 14:15 |
| * rgreening is trying to build kvirc from svn 2008/12/15 .. don't puke please :P | 14:15 | |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=2008&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 2008 | compare head against NULL instead of relying on the compiler to do it | 14:15 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: okay, so high at some level | 14:15 |
| rgreening | dam bot | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | a|wen-: I am not sure if we can abandon it ... it appears to be the only kde chess game | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | a|wen-: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xboard most used frontend app it seems | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | a|wen-: are you attending the meeting tomorrow? | 14:18 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: yeah, seems we can't just throw it away | 14:19 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: i plan to ... (need to get to bed early though, starts at 5AM in my timezone) | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | we should discuss it, but the stats clearly are in favor of keeping knights | 14:20 |
| rgreening | PPA's dead? | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | but the stats also have flawed relation because we have no KDE based chess app to compare to | 14:20 |
| rgreening | LP is puked | 14:20 |
| rgreening | omg | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | soyuz being hungry again? | 14:20 |
| rgreening | it eat my sesion... | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | a|wen-: well, please launch a discussion either on the mailing list or at the meeting | 14:21 |
| rgreening | oh, back... hhmmmmm | 14:21 |
| a|wen- | apachelogger: yeah, i'll put it on the agenda | 14:22 |
| * apachelogger notes that he will probably not be around, so a|wen- better copies the stuff above into a file :P | 14:22 | |
| * a|wen- starts copying links | 14:29 | |
| Riddell | seele: http://www.slideshare.net/fytech/ubuntu-usability-test-report-presentation might be interesting | 14:44 |
| seele | finally, someone who did an open source usability study at a unviersity actually gives it back to open source | 14:48 |
| seele | you would be surprised how many usability tests get done at university projects.. and we never hear about them | 14:48 |
| seele | ARGH | 14:49 |
| seele | TIME ON TASK DOES NOT MATTER | 14:49 |
| * seele stops reading | 14:49 | |
| jjesse | lol | 14:49 |
| seele | the feedback is still good | 14:50 |
| seele | i wish people would learn proper experimental design | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, did you push mysql-5.1 out of binary new yet? | 14:51 |
| ScottK | He did | 14:52 |
| ScottK | Or someone did. | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 14:52 |
| === a|wen- is now known as a|wen | ||
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 15:17 |
| MalikLamin | hi you all, i 'd like to write a module wich is intended to work in multiple versions of the kernel , how do I solve the version dependency???? | 15:18 |
| Riddell | MalikLamin: we do KDE here, we're not linux developers | 15:18 |
| MalikLamin | ok, but doesnt anyone here know about that | 15:21 |
| MalikLamin | ? | 15:21 |
| ScottK | MalikLamin: #ubuntu-kernel likely, but I'd look into DKMS. | 15:22 |
| Riddell | MalikLamin: try http://kernelnewbies.org/ | 15:26 |
| MalikLamin | ok tnks | 15:26 |
| * a|wen wonders why his makefile keeps being populated with "LDADD -lartskde" ... seems there is still some arts left in the kde packages | 15:32 | |
| a|wen | does anyone have a suggestion who/what makes up that line in a Makefile ... there is no reference to arts in the package, so is something external | 15:39 |
| ScottK | Are you building against the de-artsififed kdelibs? | 15:41 |
| a|wen | ScottK: yeah, kdelibs 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu8 | 15:42 |
| ScottK | OK. | 15:42 |
| ScottK | Any arts in the build log for that one? | 15:43 |
| a|wen | ScottK: it contains the line "checking if arts should be compiled... yes" | 15:48 |
| ScottK | That doesn't sound good. | 15:50 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: ^^^ | 15:50 |
| Riddell | hmm, ppa buildds are slow | 15:53 |
| xerosis | can someone who can see private bugs please mark bug 321494 a dupe of 317712 | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Bug 321494 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/321494 is private | 15:53 |
| JontheEchidna | xerosis: done | 15:57 |
| xerosis | JontheEchidna: thanks :) | 15:58 |
| * JontheEchidna looks for an upstream bug | 15:59 | |
| a|wen | apachelogger: when http://packages.debian.org/experimental/tagua becomes stable, that might be our replacement to knights | 16:06 |
| jussi01 | !info knights | 16:07 |
| ubottu | knights (source: knights): A chess interface for the K Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6-8.2ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 817 kB, installed size 1844 kB | 16:07 |
| jarekh | When dependencies for kmail will be changed from mysql5.0 to mysql5.1? I'm asking about that because my Amarok and Kmail need that :) | 16:09 |
| ScottK | jarekh: What we're doing is making them co-installable. | 16:10 |
| ScottK | Not changing them. | 16:10 |
| ScottK | IIRC the change needed for that should be hitting mirrors today. | 16:11 |
| jarekh | thanks | 16:11 |
| jarekh | I see some stable(?) 4.2 in Jaunty main. Thanks a lot and congratulations! | 16:18 |
| * JontheEchidna wouldn't upgrade until kdebase-workspace packages are present at least | 16:34 | |
| apachelogger | a|wen: aye | 16:36 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: seems there is still some arts left in kdelibs | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | arts-- | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: how so? | 16:39 |
| * apachelogger even removed all ze arts files | 16:39 | |
| a|wen | apachelogger: seems artskde is still done | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | meh | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | will look at it | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | first bindings though | 16:41 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: thx a lot | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | hm | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: are you sure you are looking at the right version? | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | apt-cache says ubuntu8 doesn't depend on arts | 16:41 |
| a|wen | i'm looking in kdelibs_4\:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu8_FULLYBUILT.txt | 16:42 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: it seems to be some artskde that is still compiled (but maybe not installed) | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | hmhm | 16:42 |
| a|wen | checking if arts should be compiled... yes | 16:43 |
| a|wen | config.status: creating arts/Makefile | 16:43 |
| a|wen | config.status: creating arts/kde/Makefile | 16:43 |
| a|wen | config.status: creating arts/kde/mcop-dcop/Makefile | 16:43 |
| a|wen | config.status: creating arts/knotify/Makefile | 16:43 |
| a|wen | config.status: creating arts/message/Makefile | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | bogus output | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | nothing gets installed | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | + it can't build anything linking to arts if no arts is around at all | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | which is clearly the case | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | checking for aRts-1.1... disabled | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: let's just blame stupid autohell :P | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | no build-deps and no shlib deps means nothing to worry about | 16:45 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: yeah ... but the problem is that ld very much wants to link against artskde when building against libs (if you let autohell decide) | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: when building what? | 16:46 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: knights, with all references to arts removed | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: maybe you need to rerun automake | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | or make -f Makefile.{am,cvs} | 16:50 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: how is it normally adviced to do that? | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | within the build process | 16:51 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: shouldn't that be part of the build-process normally ... | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | no, it tempers with the autohell files, so in most cases you will need loads of clean rules to get the tree into it's original state again | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | probably also the reason gnomies seem to prefer having the changes a patch rather than doing it at compile time | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | not that I would about that fancy autotools stuff :P | 16:54 |
| a|wen | that is indeed autohell :/ | 16:57 |
| JontheEchidna | the auto stands for "automatic pain" | 16:58 |
| * a|wen finally got around that autohell | 17:31 | |
| a|wen | seems arts wasn't knight's only problem ... bug 285467 | 17:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 285467 in knights "knights package has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285467 | 17:40 |
| * Lure notices that 4.2/final does not seems to be compatible with 4.2/rc plasma - ENODESKTOP | 17:43 | |
| jarekh | I'm trying to compile kdetv for KDE4 using cmake and I got error: | 17:46 |
| jarekh | libkvideoio.a(qvideostream.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC | 17:46 |
| jarekh | where I should write -fPIC flag? | 17:46 |
| Riddell | Lure: the plasma guys made some last minute binary incompatible changes | 17:50 |
| Lure | > Hi, | 17:51 |
| Lure | > | 17:51 |
| Riddell | hi Lure :) | 17:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: ah, now I remember Aaron | 17:51 |
| Lure | sorry, my synaptics is doing strange pastes recently | 17:52 |
| Lure | Aaron was very happy to find it before release | 17:52 |
| * Lure is still used to work w/o plasma since early times of working with SVN version ;-) | 17:53 | |
| jcastro | Nightrose: around? | 17:53 |
| rgreening | g'day jcastro | 17:53 |
| jcastro | hi! | 17:54 |
| Nightrose | jcastro: jep | 17:54 |
| Nightrose | wasup? :) | 17:54 |
| jcastro | Nightrose: I am looking for 10 projects to focus bug work and upstream linkages for the cycle | 17:54 |
| Nightrose | ai | 17:55 |
| jcastro | got any plans for bug days, etc this cycle? | 17:55 |
| Nightrose | no plans on my side so far | 17:55 |
| jcastro | ok | 17:56 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: knights is already broken in intrepid | 17:56 |
| jcastro | Nightrose: mind if we try a bug day or something in the future? | 17:56 |
| Nightrose | jcastro: but if you have something in mind i can get people together for it probably | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: I suppose that supports dropping it | 17:56 |
| jcastro | I would like to measure how well it will work | 17:56 |
| Nightrose | jcastro: not at all | 17:56 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 17:56 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 17:57 |
| * Nightrose loves being a labrat | 17:57 | |
| Nightrose | :P | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | lol | 17:57 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: pretty much ... missing deps; i'll just test what removing it does | 17:57 |
| * apachelogger pushes last bzr branch | 17:58 | |
| * Riddell gets printer-applet back into a working state and cheers | 18:07 | |
| seele | whoo | 18:09 |
| seele | Riddell++ | 18:09 |
| * Arby sends Riddell cookies | 18:09 | |
| seele | how long until it's ready to review? | 18:09 |
| * a|wen notes that knights is totally unusable without kdebase-kio-plugins ... which is neither avaible in intrepid nor jaunty | 18:35 | |
| a|wen | night everyone | 18:40 |
| Riddell | seele: this is just the applet | 19:03 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: KDE uses xdg stuff for mimetype detection, correct? | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: aye | 19:15 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 309778 is probably an xdg-utils bug? | 19:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 309778 in krusader "KDE always associates *.jar with the zip mime type" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309778 | 19:15 |
| JontheEchidna | I checked the oxygen icons, and there is a jar mimetype icon | 19:16 |
| seele | Riddell: oh, the indicator in the panel? | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: krusader is not KDE 4, is it? | 19:20 |
| JontheEchidna | it is | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | oh, then it's all the shared-mime-info's fault | 19:20 |
| JontheEchidna | we have had a kde4 post-beta svn snapshot since intrepid | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: that dude shall run xdg-mime on the file | 19:21 |
| apachelogger | xdg-mime query filetype $FILE if I am not mistaken | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | uh, that was almost ruby ^_^ | 19:22 |
| Riddell | seele: yes | 19:32 |
| seele | Riddell: do you have a link to the fdo notification spec? i dont know what it's formally called and i cant find it | 19:33 |
| seele | (or know what it's called so i can find it myself0 | 19:33 |
| Riddell | seele: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/ I think | 19:37 |
| Riddell | it's not actually a freedesktop spec, it just uses that namespace in a cheeky way | 19:37 |
| seele | Riddell: thanks | 19:42 |
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| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| hunger | Tomorrow we are going to get kde4.2:-) Any estimation when it will hit intrepid backports/updates? | 20:12 |
| JontheEchidna | tomorrow :P | 20:13 |
| hunger | JontheEchidna: You guys are really that fast with packaging it? Wow:-) | 20:13 |
| JontheEchidna | they release the sourcecode a week before each release | 20:13 |
| JontheEchidna | for packagers to package | 20:13 |
| Riddell | it'll need the buildds to hurry up a bit though | 20:14 |
| hunger | So you will have it nice and shiny tomorrow:-) | 20:14 |
| hunger | Riddell: Nothing pending for intrepid at this time. | 20:15 |
| Riddell | oh good, they are hurrying up | 20:15 |
| Riddell | hunger: where do you see that? | 20:15 |
| hunger | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending | 20:16 |
| Riddell | hunger: that's the ubuntu archive, we're doing it in a PPA | 20:16 |
| hunger | Oh. | 20:16 |
| hunger | Too bad. | 20:16 |
| hunger | Will it hit the archives, too? | 20:16 |
| Riddell | here it goes https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/osmium | 20:17 |
| hunger | Like intrepid-backports or -updates? | 20:17 |
| hunger | kde 4.1.4 is still sitting in -proposed:-) | 20:17 |
| Riddell | it should go into -backports eventually but I think we'll just copy it to a public PPA for tomorrow until it gets more testing | 20:17 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that right? | 20:17 |
| apachelogger | actually I think it should go to experimental | 20:18 |
| apachelogger | then testing | 20:18 |
| apachelogger | then ppa | 20:18 |
| apachelogger | then (considering we don't have to recompile half of the archives for the libs) backports | 20:18 |
| hunger | apachelogger: That does not sound like it will be done before jaunty is out:-) | 20:18 |
| apachelogger | well, I'd like to play save | 20:19 |
| apachelogger | upgrade quirks are nasty and since we didn't do any QA in that regard there is likely some conflict in 4.1 => 4.2 | 20:19 |
| apachelogger | so I guess we'll be able to move to ppa by the end of the week | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | ha! | 20:21 |
| apachelogger | workspace is queued for build in 3 hours | 20:21 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: right, experimental is a public PPA | 20:27 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 20:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I thought you were talking about kde4 members :) | 20:27 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: i continue the discussion here, from #kubuntu, because anyway this is more a dev question | 20:49 |
| tarimari | now i have the choice to install kde 4.2 rc from ppa of kubuntu-experimental | 20:50 |
| JontheEchidna | hi | 20:50 |
| tarimari | when 4.2 final packages wil be available? | 20:50 |
| JontheEchidna | hopefully by tomorrow | 20:50 |
| Tm_T | tarimari: when it's released and packages are ready | 20:50 |
| tarimari | kde will be realeased 18:00 UTC | 20:50 |
| tarimari | it will take some hours, or few days? | 20:50 |
| tarimari | as you says it seems few hours, then it's cool :) | 20:50 |
| Tm_T | tarimari: hours if it goes as planned | 20:51 |
| Tm_T | we try to be first | 20:51 |
| tarimari | i have reason for asking, i ll explain | 20:51 |
| coreymon77 | has kubuntu had an lts release since dapper yet? | 20:51 |
| JontheEchidna | coreymon77: nope | 20:51 |
| Tm_T | coreymon77: no, nor will until, well, next LTS | 20:51 |
| Nightrose | tarimari: 18:00 is a very bold statement ;-) | 20:51 |
| Nightrose | it will be released when the releaseteam is ready | 20:51 |
| Nightrose | that might be at 18:00, earlier or a little later | 20:52 |
| tarimari | i just reinstalled kubuntu. now i have 8.10 with kde 4.1. My backups are with kde 4.2 rc1 kubuntu-experimental | 20:52 |
| Tm_T | that 1800 UTC is what is aimed, it's not that accurate always though | 20:52 |
| tarimari | and i want to restore my backup | 20:52 |
| tarimari | my question is: | 20:52 |
| Nightrose | Tm_T: trust me - i am in the team ;-) | 20:52 |
| tarimari | should i upgrade once more to 4.2 rc1 kubuntu-experimental and restore all the .kde backup | 20:53 |
| tarimari | or wait 1-2 days till the new packages? | 20:53 |
| tarimari | and then backup file by file and setup again | 20:53 |
| tarimari | i mean: the new kde 4.2 final will be available at kubuntu-experimental ppa, or at someother ubuntu central server repo? | 20:54 |
| Nightrose | in a ppa first | 20:54 |
| JontheEchidna | tarimari: it will be made available in the ppa initially | 20:54 |
| tarimari | ok | 20:55 |
| JontheEchidna | though in the end we hope it will end up in intrepid-backports | 20:55 |
| tarimari | and after how many days at ubuntu repos? | 20:55 |
| tarimari | when approx? | 20:55 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: I trust you, because I know you're on team, I was merely saying what you said in other words, perhaps failed though | 20:55 |
| JontheEchidna | dunno, after sufficient testing is done I suppose | 20:55 |
| tarimari | i ask again this because i have some other machines to updates which are still 4.1 | 20:55 |
| Nightrose | Tm_T: ah ;-) *hug* | 20:55 |
| tarimari | sufficient testing means 1 week, or 1 month? just an estimation | 20:55 |
| Nightrose | Tm_T: how's the little one btw? | 20:55 |
| JontheEchidna | tarimari: honestly we don't know yet. | 20:56 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: fine thanks, bit messed sleeping cycle but meh, it's not me who have to look her at night (;) | 20:56 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 20:56 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: ok. so i ll go with kubuntu-experimental for the moment... | 20:56 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: with upgrading to rc1 i have conflict with mysql 5.1 and amarok. what can i do about that? will it be resolved tomorrow with the kde 4.2 final packaging? | 20:57 |
| JontheEchidna | are you running jaunty then? | 20:57 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: hmm. you are right. it is only at jaunty. ok no | 20:58 |
| tarimari | actually i updated 3 machines, and i was wondering why there are at some machines problems and some other not | 20:58 |
| tarimari | let me see once more | 20:58 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, fixed packages for mysql should be released either now or in a few hours when your mirror updates | 20:58 |
| tarimari | you are right it is only in jaunty, so forget this question. my mistake | 20:59 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 20:59 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: i have to upgrade my eeepc from hardy before 30th - what do you recommend? jaunty already or intrepid? (considering ditro upgrade means reinstall) | 21:00 |
| Nightrose | i can live with a few quirks but would rather not b0rk my maschine completely | 21:00 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 21:00 |
| tarimari | Nightrose: i propose intrepid allway. jaunty gave me lot of problems | 21:00 |
| Nightrose | _gave_ ;-) | 21:00 |
| Nightrose | it is development | 21:00 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: X is completely broken in jaunty | 21:00 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: ewwww ok | 21:01 |
| tarimari | Nightrose: if it is your main computer better wait for at least RC for jaunty. that's my experience with interpid said | 21:01 |
| Nightrose | tarimari: it is not - and i know that ;-) | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: well, also depends on the graphics chip, but on intel there are fancy rendering glitches all over the place | 21:01 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: (because i have to restore my backups of .kde which are in 4.2rc1, and now reinstalling kubuntu 8.10 i m in 4.1 state) --> can i now install the kubuntu-experimental 4.2 rc1, and tomorrow upgrade to 4.2 final without having any problem at all | 21:01 |
| tarimari | ? | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: then again everything but intel is really broken pretty much ;-) | 21:01 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 21:01 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: any estimation for when X will be fixed? | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | especially right now ... can't even build 4.2 | 21:02 |
| Nightrose | ie: should I wait a few days | 21:02 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: rephrase my question to "major problem" | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: more like a few weeks | 21:02 |
| Nightrose | ewww | 21:02 |
| Nightrose | ok | 21:02 |
| Nightrose | intrepid it is | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: it's a completely new X ... and considering not even intel works pretty well with it... | 21:02 |
| Nightrose | yea | 21:02 |
| JontheEchidna | tarimari: If you upgrade to 4.2 RC1, copy the backup to its normal location, then upgrade tomorrow in theory you shouldn't have major problems | 21:02 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: thanks a lot !! :) | 21:03 |
| tarimari | guys tomorrow also openoffice 3.0.1 will be released. after how much time it will be backported to kubuntu intrepid? | 21:03 |
| JontheEchidna | dunno, openoffice isn't something that kubuntu works on | 21:03 |
| tarimari | and if i put openoffice from that PPA that already exists, if i disable it later, can i upgrade to the backported packages later? (because the backported are of better quality) | 21:04 |
| tarimari | why is it so much time to backport openoffice 3.0.0? what are the problems? | 21:05 |
| tvakah | so I just ran an upgrade in jaunty, and now I can't start plasma or kontact at all, no crash screen, I have to start them from a terminal to even see any failure message | 21:05 |
| apachelogger | kde rev 915907 | 21:05 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=915907&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 915907 | 21:05 |
| apachelogger | kde rev 915831 | 21:05 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=915831&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 915831 | 21:05 |
| apachelogger | kde rev 915837 | 21:05 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=915837&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 915837 | 21:05 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: tomorrow at kubuntu-experimental, the powerdevil problem will be resolved? now with 4.1.96, if i go to install powerdevil it wants to install that one of 4.1, so there is no way to install it. will u include it tomorrow for 4.2? | 21:07 |
| JontheEchidna | powerdevil is included by default in the kde packages | 21:07 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: but it is version 4.1, i cant combine with 4.1.96 | 21:07 |
| JontheEchidna | no, it's included in the packages. you don't need to install it as long as you have kdebase-workspace | 21:08 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: if i aptitude install powerdevil, then it wants to uninstall half of 4.2rc1, downgrade, uninstall plasmas etc | 21:08 |
| Lure | Riddell: will kdebase-workspace/amd64 build restart automatically or it needs you to kick it? | 21:08 |
| JontheEchidna | yes, the "powerdevil" package is KDE 4.1. but in KDE 4.2 powerdevil is not a separate package! | 21:08 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: aha!! | 21:08 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 21:08 |
| tarimari | thanks a lot, i go install kdebase-workspace | 21:09 |
| Riddell | Lure: dunno, what's wrong with it? | 21:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: it failed 3 hours ago, as kdelibs build was not finished yet | 21:09 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: actually powerdevil is more nice app than guidance, but what i miss from kdeguidance, is that with mouse-over i can see the current cpu speed. is there any other applet to see the current cpu speed? | 21:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: now it is, but it does not start again, even though amd64 build is free | 21:10 |
| tvakah | I seem to not be able to start any KUniqueApplication | 21:10 |
| JontheEchidna | tarimari: I don't know any | 21:10 |
| tvakah | plasma and kontact most notably | 21:10 |
| tvakah | but kmail does start | 21:10 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: can i combine both powerdevil and kdeguidance or mess will happen? | 21:10 |
| Lure | Riddell: i386 succeeded, probably due to luck ;-) | 21:10 |
| JontheEchidna | tarimari: they'll probably fight each other for control | 21:11 |
| tvakah | plasma(17931): Communication problem with "plasma" , it probably crashed. | 21:11 |
| tvakah | Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " | 21:11 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: i install kdebase-workspace, i pushed alt-control-backspace, but i did not see. probably i need to restart the whole system | 21:12 |
| Riddell | my, that is a broken build | 21:12 |
| Riddell | Lure: I think it'll need someone to retry it | 21:12 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: i m confused little bit with the change of names of governors. the guidance's performance and dynamic, what are their equivalent at powerdevil? | 21:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: oh, I though that you had all super-powers needed ;-) | 21:13 |
| tvakah | tarimari: dontzap is on by default nowadays, "'i.e. ctrl + alt + bs is off by default" | 21:13 |
| * NCommander is depressed on how much flack Kubuntu 8.10 is getting on /. | 21:13 | |
| JontheEchidna | tarimari: I don't know, I don't have a laptop so I've not used either power manager all that much | 21:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: do we have build-admin in kubuntu-lovers^Wninjas? ;-) | 21:13 |
| Lure | NCommander: you shouldn't: this is so last year ;-) | 21:14 |
| tvakah | so is my failure just due to a half-done upload? or is there something going on? | 21:14 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: last question. openoffice 3 packages will have a package, which is actually a start screen for all the rest applications.i saw it at opensuse. will it be also at ubuntu like that? any idea? | 21:15 |
| JontheEchidna | tarimari: as I said, nobody in here works on open office | 21:15 |
| JontheEchidna | so I don't know | 21:15 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: ups sorry i did not mention. at which channel? #ubuntu-devel? | 21:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess | 21:16 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: thanks a lot for your patience and kindness | 21:16 |
| JontheEchidna | you're welcome | 21:16 |
| Riddell | Lure: not unless hobbsee is awake | 21:25 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: using kubuntu-experimental i ll upgrade now from 4.1 to 4.1.96. after adding the repo, aptitude says 98 updates, and 171 new packages!! except kdebase-workspace, should i install any other of these 171 new packages? what are they? | 21:25 |
| Riddell | seele: what do you think of this? GTK's system-config-printer has the right click menu options in a full menu too http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/scp.png | 21:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: hobbsee, the gnome lady you mean? ;-) | 21:26 |
| * Lure hides | 21:26 | |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: it asks me to remove digikam, some kipi plugins. why? when this digikam conflict will be resolved? | 21:26 |
| Lure | tarimari: if you use kubuntu-experimental, then you should get digikam from digikam-experimental | 21:26 |
| tarimari | aha, this is a package, or another repo? | 21:27 |
| Lure | tarimari: another repo (ppa), similar to kubuntu-experimental | 21:27 |
| tarimari | ok , i ll go search for it .thanks for info lure | 21:27 |
| tarimari | kdebase-workspace-data failed to install or upgrade :( | 21:28 |
| tarimari | 2 broken | 21:28 |
| tarimari | ok i must aptitude full-upgrade once more to continue installing kde 4.1.96 | 21:29 |
| tarimari | is it normal? | 21:29 |
| smarter | what's wrong with full-upgrade? | 21:30 |
| tarimari | i put kubuntu-experimental to upgrade 4.1 to 4.1.96 | 21:30 |
| tarimari | first full-upgrade left me with kdebase-workspace-data broken. just full-upgrade once more installed | 21:30 |
| tarimari | i must aptitude remove kdeplasma-addons to go on with installing kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin | 21:32 |
| tarimari | and this procedure happened in the few machines that i upgrade | 21:32 |
| tarimari | i hope tomorrow the upgrade to be smoother | 21:32 |
| JontheEchidna | tarimari: I believe I fixed a kdebase-workspace-data conflicting with kde-window-manager the other day for the 4.2.0 packages | 21:33 |
| knusperfrosch | will 4.2. packages be in kubuntu-experimental for intrepid by tomorrow? | 21:33 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: what can i do now to finish the upgrade to 4.1.96? | 21:34 |
| JontheEchidna | sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/apt/cache/nameofdebhere | 21:34 |
| tarimari | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.1.96-0ubuntu4~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kcontrol/windowspecific/index.cache.bz2', which is also in package kde-window-manager | 21:34 |
| tarimari | sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.1.96-0ubuntu4~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb | 21:35 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: full-upgrade still complains . libkpi5 broken. libkipi must be removed. so many times i said OK remove them, and it still complains. i use aptitude :D | 21:36 |
| tarimari | i think now it will work with your trick | 21:36 |
| tarimari | JontheEchidna: will it be more smooth to upgrade from 4.1 to 4.2 tomorrow? will this problem be fixed? | 21:37 |
| JontheEchidna | that problem will be fixed | 21:37 |
| tarimari | thanks | 21:37 |
| tarimari | kde4d crashed. i ll restart | 21:38 |
| tarimari | when kde 4.2 and digikam will be officially released, will they automatically update to the official version, or i must be informed by the news and disable the experimental repos? | 21:43 |
| seele | Riddell: all functionality should always be in the application menu. the context functionality is just easier to discover | 21:46 |
| seele | Riddell: does that answer your question? | 21:46 |
| Riddell | seele: ok, I'll create that application menu | 21:49 |
| seele | Riddell: oooh, hmm.. now i'm not sure. Is a printer in that list *always* selected? or can one not be selected? | 21:54 |
| seele | because if a printer is not selected, that menu is disabled | 21:55 |
| Riddell | seele: right, a print job isn't always selected in which case the menu items will be disabled | 21:55 |
| seele | right, ok nevermind then | 21:56 |
| seele | that shouldnt go in there | 21:56 |
| seele | on the main menu | 21:56 |
| jussi01 | anyone can tell me whne the actual 4.2 is out? | 21:59 |
| Sput | jussi01: tomorrow, I'd say | 21:59 |
| jussi01 | Sput: ahh, nice. :) thanks | 22:00 |
| Sput | jussi01: if you meant, when upstream releases it | 22:00 |
| Sput | obviously I have no idea about kubuntu packages :) but our packages are already done | 22:00 |
| jussi01 | Sput: yeah, I know itll be done about a couple of days after.. ;) | 22:01 |
| Riddell | seele: so keep it right click menu only? | 22:02 |
| === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde | ||
| * seele thinks | 22:09 | |
| ryanakca | nixternal: Ping, tomorrow's my last exam, would you and/or jjesse and I be able to get together sometime Wednesday so we can tackle help.kubuntu.org? | 22:14 |
| JontheEchidna | damn, apport is getting stupider and stupider... | 23:57 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 321672 | 23:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 321672 in kdebase-workspace "plasma crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/321672 | 23:57 |
| ScottK | vorian: Looks like jdstrand got to your dkim-milter security fix ... | 23:57 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: It's Python and it's open source, so go for it .... | 23:58 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 23:58 |
| ScottK | Acutalll pitti is pretty responsive to good, actionable bugs. | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, maybe I misunderstood what it was doing | 23:59 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe if the retrace fails it automagically closes the report | 23:59 |
| JontheEchidna | I thought it was closing the report because newer packages were available | 23:59 |
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