jjesse-dell9are things still on track to quassel being the default irc client for jaunty?01:39
dtcheni dunno, but i do know that i far prefer kubuntu[ 9.04]'s default notification priorities01:55
ScottKjjesse_: There's a meeting scheduled or being scheduled to make the decision.  MIR is written and pending MIR Team approval.04:12
ScottKseele: I just updated Quassel in my PPA again, so once it builds (it'll be awhile as the buildd's are backlogged) there should be something for you.06:01
ScottKThis one uses system icons where they are available and has a few bug fixes.06:02
rgreeningScottK: any idea on amarok2 and kmail akonadi issue resolution? Still seems to be a problem.06:06
ScottKDid Riddell upload mysql 5.1 yesterday or today?06:06
ScottKIf not, then it's known not fixed.06:06
rgreeningdunno. would it be in a PPA or in main?06:07
ScottKapachelogger had come up with something, but I'm not sure if got uploaded.06:07
ScottKIn the archive06:07
ScottKNot PPA.06:07
rgreeninghmm.. dunno...06:07
rgreeningI just tried an update and it still fails06:07
ScottKhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/5.1.30-2ubuntu4 is the thing that's supposed to fix it.06:08
ScottKIt's in Binary New.06:08
ScottKSo patience.06:08
ScottKrgreening: ^^  How's kvirc coming?06:09
rgreeningScottK: now that 4.2 is pretty well packaged, I should have it uploaded/updated in the AM06:09
ScottKThat solves one of the arts rdepends too.06:10
rgreeningScottK: when is the package freeze?06:10
ScottK19th I think.06:10
knusperfroschi did it once again, koffice-data-kde4 is blocking apt due to some icons. what was the fix for that?09:48
Riddell"updates are being automatically installed"  not sure we want packagekit to do that10:36
a|wenwho is responsible for the ichthux-desktop package? (depends on arts)10:46
Riddella|wen: raphink and txwikinger10:54
a|wenRiddell: okay, are they aware that arts should be removed from the depends?10:56
Riddellhopefully they are now :)10:56
mok0Ridell, I uploaded codelite again (which you rejected first time around). The uploader has removed the offending bits. Good catch!11:04
Riddellmok0: what did I object to again?11:04
mok0Riddell: oh, a bunch of .dll's and .exe files11:05
Riddelloh aye, nasty those11:05
mok0Riddell: yep. I am not sure if Mono creates .dll's11:06
mok0Riddell: if so, there may be some of those left11:06
mok0Riddell: in the binaries that is11:06
Riddellmok0: hmm, there's still windows binaries in sdk/wxsqlite3/sqlite3/*/*exp11:09
mok0Riddell: huh?11:09
* mok0 looks11:09
mok0Riddell: uhm I can't download it from the queue page?11:11
Riddellmok0: why do you need to?  didn't you just upload it11:12
mok0Riddell: I deleted it11:12
mok0Riddell: I'll get it from REVU11:12
mok0Riddell: what's the md5sum of the .orig.tar.gz you have?11:20
Riddellmok0: 8848d5ba2d19f41c1bfd879297de210311:21
mok0Same as mine11:21
mok0Riddell: I can't see any *exp files?11:22
mok0oh wait11:22
mok0Riddell: ok. I'll contact uploader, please reject it again (if it's convenient for you)11:23
mok0Riddell: thanks, and thanks for your alertness.11:27
mok0Riddell: I know nothing about the windows platform, so I don't recognize those extensions. I should have done a "file" on the whole tree though...11:28
a|wenis it possible to do a no-change rebuild of a package easily?12:22
Riddella|wen: dch -i, debuild -S, dput12:23
a|wenRiddell: i mean in the real archives ... should a debdiff be prepared, or can we simply request it12:23
Riddellreal archives?  same process whatever the archive12:24
Riddellyou simply upload it12:24
a|wenRiddell: atleast kvirc oose arts depends when being rebuild ... i just need someone to test that a rebuild doesn't break it (i'm on intrepid now)12:26
Riddella|wen: make a chroot12:27
a|wenRiddell: what was the status of the old kde3 kdelibs ... were we trying to get rid of those as well?12:32
Riddella|wen: we hope to get it off the CD (looking unlikely though), it'll stay in ubuntu for a good while yet12:34
a|wenokay, thx12:37
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, how about reducing kdelibs4's dependencies? ...like remove avahi12:53
apacheloggersmarter: pling12:54
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: 1) hola 2) what's with that Connor Imes dude marking bugs as triaged which are clearly not triaged?13:08
Riddellapachelogger: isn't avahi needed?  why would we want to remove it?13:10
apacheloggerRiddell: because it pulls in it's qt3 binding stuff ... also I don't think it's needed for the apps we have left13:11
apacheloggeronly konqueror used it for zeroconf:/ AFAIK13:12
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: no clue, I guess he think has-backtrace-but-not-upstreamed is triaged13:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: has-backtrace-and-is-upstreamed wouldn't even suffice from my point of view :P13:20
* apachelogger demands to know how to reproduce13:20
apacheloggereven better yet13:20
JontheEchidnaany way to make quassel's tray icon blink when you're highlighted?13:21
apacheloggerSput: ^13:22
* apachelogger thought it did at some point13:22
SputJontheEchidna: waiting for nuno to finish the systray animation and for me to put it into code then :)13:23
Sputor not using KDE integration13:23
JontheEchidnaoh well, if I'm at least at the computer I'll see the plasma notificatoin13:24
Sputand the taskbar highlight13:24
JontheEchidnawell, I usually keep quassel in the systray when I'm not using it13:24
JontheEchidnaprobably because the plasma panel sucked for KDE 4.0 and 4.113:24
JontheEchidnaand horizontal panel space was in extreme lack13:25
Sputah well, the animation will come back13:26
Sputin some form certainly for 0.4 which is supposed to go into jaunty13:26
* Sput wonders if that should be a configurable option, or if it should just always animate on highlight13:26
apacheloggerwhy would one not want to have it animate?13:27
apacheloggerwho wants to give me a cookie?13:31
JontheEchidna~order cookie for apachelogger13:31
* kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.13:31
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/fancyshell.ogv13:31
* apachelogger munches cookie and watches openoffice crash13:31
apacheloggeragateau: greetings13:35
apacheloggerrgreening: wanna do some cpp haxx0ring? ;-)13:39
apacheloggerrgreening: kcmfiletypes13:42
apacheloggerrgreening: kde bug 15889513:42
ubottuKDE bug 158895 in kcmfiletypes "change file icons in file association dialog" [Wishlist,Assigned] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15889513:42
rgreeningapachelogger: I'll have a look13:42
apacheloggerrgreening: dfaure would be glad ... so would the 3 users who actually use that ;-)13:43
rgreeningScottK: working on kvirc now. snapshot for jan 26th is bad... reverting to earlier one to see if working.13:45
apacheloggera|wen: did you test kvirc without arts?13:46
apacheloggernot that it would matter, considering it only got 2 users and rgreening is going to replace it with the KDE 4 version anyway :P13:46
a|wenapachelogger: i started it in a chroot, and was able to connect to #kubuntu-devel13:46
rgreeningkvirc4.0.0 svn 3034 seems to be compiling...13:50
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=3034&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 3034 | quotactl support added for libc <5.4.3813:50
rgreeninglol, stupid bot.13:50
apacheloggera|wen: good enough13:53
apacheloggera|wen: the dep was caused through recursive linking?13:54
a|wen-hmm "--disable-FEATURE       do not include FEATURE (same as --enable-FEATURE=no)" ... how do you get ./configure to spit out which $FEATURE i can disable/enable?13:55
apacheloggera|wen: that should be right under that message :P13:55
rgreeningFTBFS.. dam13:56
apacheloggera|wen: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address13:57
a|wen-apachelogger: uh, sry ... thought about it, but ended up forgetting it again :/13:58
ScottKrgreening: I'd just take the working snapshot you had before and kvirc-kde4/kvirc and move on.13:59
ScottKIt seemed good when I tested it.13:59
* a|wen- wonders how to turn off arts in knights then13:59
apacheloggera|wen: probably also recursive linking?14:01
rgreeningScottK: I'm looking at the svn code. It seems not kvirc related, but rather KDE4.2 issue...14:01
apacheloggera|wen: assuming knights is a KDE app14:01
rgreeningScottK: I'm going to update my pbuilder and try again14:01
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a|wen-apachelogger: yeah, it is14:02
a|wen-checking for mcopidl... not found14:02
a|wen-configure: error: The important program mcopidl was not found!14:02
a|wen-Please check whether you installed aRts correctly.14:02
apacheloggera|wen: I think we'll have to patch, remove the package, or just leave it alone14:03
a|wen-apachelogger: yeah, i suppose so14:05
apacheloggera|wen: do you have time to write the author a mail?14:06
apacheloggerlast release was a beta in 2005 ... looks pretty maintainerless I think14:06
apacheloggerthe website also is rather weird ;-)14:06
apacheloggerUploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):14:07
apachelogger  kvirc_3.4.0-3ubuntu1.dsc: done.14:07
apacheloggerrgreening: ^ please make sure you incorporate the changelog entry14:07
a|wen-apachelogger: thx14:07
a|wen-apachelogger: i'll try to see if i can find out anything; but afaik it is quite maintainerless14:08
Riddellakonadi has a nasty habit of making dbus-daemon run out of control14:08
apacheloggera|wen-: I would tend to file a removal request then14:08
apacheloggerRiddell: didn't notice any of that sort14:09
a|wen-apachelogger: the debian-package is a patchwork from 2004 onwards14:09
apacheloggeris it me or is ubuntu popcorn just unusable?14:11
apacheloggera|wen-: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=knights14:12
a|wen-apachelogger: is that high or low?14:12
rgreeningThat's an app we will eventually want14:13
apacheloggera|wen-: putting things in relation: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=gnome-chess14:14
apacheloggerrgreening: if it is as buggy as gobby, I can probably live without it :P14:14
rgreeningapachelogger: It's just being developed now (hence the 'eventually') :)14:14
rgreeningI may offer to help dev it later on...14:15
* rgreening is trying to build kvirc from svn 2008/12/15 .. don't puke please :P14:15
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=2008&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 2008 | compare head against NULL instead of relying on the compiler to do it14:15
a|wen-apachelogger: okay, so high at some level14:15
rgreeningdam bot14:15
apacheloggera|wen-: I am not sure if we can abandon it ... it appears to be the only kde chess game14:16
apacheloggera|wen-: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xboard most used frontend app it seems14:17
apacheloggera|wen-: are you attending the meeting tomorrow?14:18
a|wen-apachelogger: yeah, seems we can't just throw it away14:19
a|wen-apachelogger: i plan to ... (need to get to bed early though, starts at 5AM in my timezone)14:19
apacheloggerwe should discuss it, but the stats clearly are in favor of keeping knights14:20
rgreeningPPA's dead?14:20
apacheloggerbut the stats also have flawed relation because we have no KDE based chess app to compare to14:20
rgreeningLP is puked14:20
apacheloggersoyuz being hungry again?14:20
rgreeningit eat my sesion...14:21
apacheloggera|wen-: well, please launch a discussion either on the mailing list or at the meeting14:21
rgreeningoh, back... hhmmmmm14:21
a|wen-apachelogger: yeah, i'll put it on the agenda14:22
* apachelogger notes that he will probably not be around, so a|wen- better copies the stuff above into a file :P14:22
* a|wen- starts copying links14:29
Riddellseele: http://www.slideshare.net/fytech/ubuntu-usability-test-report-presentation might be interesting14:44
seelefinally, someone who did an open source usability study at a unviersity actually gives it back to open source14:48
seeleyou would be surprised how many usability tests get done at university projects.. and we never hear about them14:48
* seele stops reading14:49
seelethe feedback is still good14:50
seelei wish people would learn proper experimental design14:50
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, did you push mysql-5.1 out of binary new yet?14:51
ScottKHe did14:52
ScottKOr someone did.14:52
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Riddellapachelogger: yes15:17
MalikLaminhi you all,  i 'd like to write a module wich is intended to work in multiple versions of the kernel , how do I solve the version dependency????15:18
RiddellMalikLamin: we do KDE here, we're not linux developers15:18
MalikLaminok, but doesnt anyone here know about that15:21
ScottKMalikLamin: #ubuntu-kernel likely, but I'd look into DKMS.15:22
RiddellMalikLamin: try http://kernelnewbies.org/15:26
MalikLaminok tnks15:26
* a|wen wonders why his makefile keeps being populated with "LDADD -lartskde" ... seems there is still some arts left in the kde packages15:32
a|wendoes anyone have a suggestion who/what makes up that line in a Makefile ... there is no reference to arts in the package, so is something external15:39
ScottKAre you building against the de-artsififed kdelibs?15:41
a|wenScottK: yeah, kdelibs 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu815:42
ScottKAny arts in the build log for that one?15:43
a|wenScottK: it contains the line "checking if arts should be compiled... yes"15:48
ScottKThat doesn't sound good.15:50
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^15:50
Riddellhmm, ppa buildds are slow15:53
xerosiscan someone who can see private bugs please mark bug 321494 a dupe of 31771215:53
ubottuBug 321494 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/321494 is private15:53
JontheEchidnaxerosis: done15:57
xerosisJontheEchidna: thanks :)15:58
* JontheEchidna looks for an upstream bug15:59
a|wenapachelogger: when http://packages.debian.org/experimental/tagua becomes stable, that might be our replacement to knights16:06
jussi01!info knights16:07
ubottuknights (source: knights): A chess interface for the K Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6-8.2ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 817 kB, installed size 1844 kB16:07
jarekhWhen dependencies for kmail will be changed from mysql5.0 to mysql5.1? I'm asking about that because my Amarok and Kmail need that :)16:09
ScottKjarekh: What we're doing is making them co-installable.16:10
ScottKNot changing them.16:10
ScottKIIRC the change needed for that should be hitting mirrors today.16:11
jarekhI see some stable(?) 4.2 in Jaunty main. Thanks a lot and congratulations!16:18
* JontheEchidna wouldn't upgrade until kdebase-workspace packages are present at least16:34
apacheloggera|wen: aye16:36
a|wenapachelogger: seems there is still some arts left in kdelibs16:38
apacheloggera|wen: how so?16:39
* apachelogger even removed all ze arts files16:39
a|wenapachelogger: seems artskde is still done16:40
apacheloggerwill look at it16:40
apacheloggerfirst bindings though16:41
a|wenapachelogger: thx a lot16:41
apacheloggera|wen: are you sure you are looking at the right version?16:41
apacheloggerapt-cache says ubuntu8 doesn't depend on arts16:41
a|weni'm looking in kdelibs_4\:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu8_FULLYBUILT.txt16:42
a|wenapachelogger: it seems to be some artskde that is still compiled (but maybe not installed)16:42
a|wenchecking if arts should be compiled... yes16:43
a|wenconfig.status: creating arts/Makefile16:43
a|wenconfig.status: creating arts/kde/Makefile16:43
a|wenconfig.status: creating arts/kde/mcop-dcop/Makefile16:43
a|wenconfig.status: creating arts/knotify/Makefile16:43
a|wenconfig.status: creating arts/message/Makefile16:43
apacheloggerbogus output16:44
apacheloggernothing gets installed16:45
apachelogger+ it can't build anything linking to arts if no arts is around at all16:45
apacheloggerwhich is clearly the case16:45
apacheloggerchecking for aRts-1.1... disabled16:45
apacheloggera|wen: let's just blame stupid autohell :P16:45
apacheloggerno build-deps and no shlib deps means nothing to worry about16:45
a|wenapachelogger: yeah ... but the problem is that ld very much wants to link against artskde when building against libs (if you let autohell decide)16:46
apacheloggera|wen: when building what?16:46
a|wenapachelogger: knights, with all references to arts removed16:47
apacheloggera|wen: maybe you need to rerun automake16:49
apacheloggeror make -f Makefile.{am,cvs}16:50
a|wenapachelogger: how is it normally adviced to do that?16:51
apacheloggerwithin the build process16:51
a|wenapachelogger: shouldn't that be part of the build-process normally ...16:51
apacheloggerno, it tempers with the autohell files, so in most cases you will need loads of clean rules to get the tree into it's original state again16:53
apacheloggerprobably also the reason gnomies seem to prefer having the changes a patch rather than doing it at compile time16:53
apacheloggernot that I would about that fancy autotools stuff :P16:54
a|wenthat is indeed autohell :/16:57
JontheEchidnathe auto stands for "automatic pain"16:58
* a|wen finally got around that autohell17:31
a|wenseems arts wasn't knight's only problem ... bug 28546717:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285467 in knights "knights package has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28546717:40
* Lure notices that 4.2/final does not seems to be compatible with 4.2/rc plasma - ENODESKTOP17:43
jarekhI'm trying to compile kdetv for KDE4 using cmake and I got error:17:46
jarekhlibkvideoio.a(qvideostream.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC17:46
jarekhwhere I should write -fPIC flag?17:46
RiddellLure: the plasma guys made some last minute binary incompatible changes17:50
Lure> Hi,17:51
Riddellhi Lure :)17:51
LureRiddell: ah, now I remember Aaron17:51
Luresorry, my synaptics is doing strange pastes recently17:52
LureAaron was very happy to find it before release17:52
* Lure is still used to work w/o plasma since early times of working with SVN version ;-)17:53
jcastroNightrose: around?17:53
rgreeningg'day jcastro17:53
Nightrosejcastro: jep17:54
Nightrosewasup? :)17:54
jcastroNightrose: I am looking for 10 projects to focus bug work and upstream linkages for the cycle17:54
jcastrogot any plans for bug days, etc this cycle?17:55
Nightroseno plans on my side so far17:55
a|wenapachelogger: knights is already broken in intrepid17:56
jcastroNightrose: mind if we try a bug day or something in the future?17:56
Nightrosejcastro: but if you have something in mind i can get people together for it probably17:56
apacheloggera|wen: I suppose that supports dropping it17:56
jcastroI would like to measure how well it will work17:56
Nightrosejcastro: not at all17:56
* Nightrose loves being a labrat17:57
a|wenapachelogger: pretty much ... missing deps; i'll just test what removing it does17:57
* apachelogger pushes last bzr branch17:58
* Riddell gets printer-applet back into a working state and cheers18:07
* Arby sends Riddell cookies18:09
seelehow long until it's ready to review?18:09
* a|wen notes that knights is totally unusable without kdebase-kio-plugins ... which is neither avaible in intrepid nor jaunty18:35
a|wennight everyone18:40
Riddellseele: this is just the applet19:03
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: KDE uses xdg stuff for mimetype detection, correct?19:12
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: aye19:15
JontheEchidnabug 309778 is probably an xdg-utils bug?19:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 309778 in krusader "KDE always associates *.jar with the zip mime type" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30977819:15
JontheEchidnaI checked the oxygen icons, and there is a jar mimetype icon19:16
seeleRiddell: oh, the indicator in the panel?19:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: krusader is not KDE 4, is it?19:20
JontheEchidnait is19:20
apacheloggeroh, then it's all the shared-mime-info's fault19:20
JontheEchidnawe have had a kde4 post-beta svn snapshot since intrepid19:20
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that dude shall run xdg-mime on the file19:21
apacheloggerxdg-mime query filetype $FILE if I am not mistaken19:22
apacheloggeruh, that was almost ruby ^_^19:22
Riddellseele: yes19:32
seeleRiddell: do you have a link to the fdo notification spec? i dont know what it's formally called and i cant find it19:33
seele(or know what it's called so i can find it myself019:33
Riddellseele: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/ I think19:37
Riddellit's not actually a freedesktop spec, it just uses that namespace in a cheeky way19:37
seeleRiddell: thanks19:42
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hungerTomorrow we are going to get kde4.2:-) Any estimation when it will hit intrepid backports/updates?20:12
JontheEchidnatomorrow :P20:13
hungerJontheEchidna: You guys are really that fast with packaging it? Wow:-)20:13
JontheEchidnathey release the sourcecode a week before each release20:13
JontheEchidnafor packagers to package20:13
Riddellit'll need the buildds to hurry up a bit though20:14
hungerSo you will have it nice and shiny tomorrow:-)20:14
hungerRiddell: Nothing pending for intrepid at this time.20:15
Riddelloh good, they are hurrying up20:15
Riddellhunger: where do you see that?20:15
hungerRiddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending20:16
Riddellhunger: that's the ubuntu archive, we're doing it in a PPA20:16
hungerToo bad.20:16
hungerWill it hit the archives, too?20:16
Riddellhere it goes https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/osmium20:17
hungerLike intrepid-backports or -updates?20:17
hungerkde 4.1.4 is still sitting in -proposed:-)20:17
Riddellit should go into -backports eventually but I think we'll just copy it to a public PPA for tomorrow until it gets more testing20:17
Riddellapachelogger: that right?20:17
apacheloggeractually I think it should go to experimental20:18
apacheloggerthen testing20:18
apacheloggerthen ppa20:18
apacheloggerthen (considering we don't have to recompile half of the archives for the libs) backports20:18
hungerapachelogger: That does not sound like it will be done before jaunty is out:-)20:18
apacheloggerwell, I'd like to play save20:19
apacheloggerupgrade quirks are nasty and since we didn't do any QA in that regard there is likely some conflict in 4.1 => 4.220:19
apacheloggerso I guess we'll be able to move to ppa by the end of the week20:20
apacheloggerworkspace is queued for build in 3 hours20:21
Riddellapachelogger: right, experimental is a public PPA20:27
apacheloggerRiddell: I thought you were talking about kde4 members :)20:27
tarimariJontheEchidna: i continue the discussion here, from #kubuntu, because anyway this is more a dev question20:49
tarimarinow i have the choice to install kde 4.2 rc from ppa of kubuntu-experimental20:50
tarimariwhen 4.2 final packages wil be available?20:50
JontheEchidnahopefully by tomorrow20:50
Tm_Ttarimari: when it's released and packages are ready20:50
tarimarikde will be realeased 18:00 UTC20:50
tarimariit will take some hours, or few days?20:50
tarimarias you says it seems few hours, then it's cool :)20:50
Tm_Ttarimari: hours if it goes as planned20:51
Tm_Twe try to be first20:51
tarimarii have reason for asking, i ll explain20:51
coreymon77has kubuntu had an lts release since dapper yet?20:51
JontheEchidnacoreymon77: nope20:51
Tm_Tcoreymon77: no, nor will until, well, next LTS20:51
Nightrosetarimari: 18:00 is a very bold statement ;-)20:51
Nightroseit will be released when the releaseteam is ready20:51
Nightrosethat might be at 18:00, earlier or a little later20:52
tarimarii just reinstalled kubuntu. now i have 8.10 with kde 4.1.  My backups are with kde 4.2 rc1 kubuntu-experimental20:52
Tm_Tthat 1800 UTC is what is aimed, it's not that accurate always though20:52
tarimariand i want to restore my backup20:52
tarimarimy question is:20:52
NightroseTm_T: trust me - i am in the team ;-)20:52
tarimarishould i upgrade once more to 4.2 rc1 kubuntu-experimental and restore all the .kde backup20:53
tarimarior wait 1-2 days till the new packages?20:53
tarimariand then backup file by file and setup again20:53
tarimarii mean: the new kde 4.2 final will be available at kubuntu-experimental ppa, or at someother ubuntu central server repo?20:54
Nightrosein a ppa first20:54
JontheEchidnatarimari: it will be made available in the ppa initially20:54
JontheEchidnathough in the end we hope it will end up in intrepid-backports20:55
tarimariand after how many days at ubuntu repos?20:55
tarimariwhen approx?20:55
Tm_TNightrose: I trust you, because I know you're on team, I was merely saying what you said in other words, perhaps failed though20:55
JontheEchidnadunno, after sufficient testing is done I suppose20:55
tarimarii ask again this because i have some other machines to updates which are still 4.120:55
NightroseTm_T:  ah ;-)   *hug*20:55
tarimarisufficient testing means 1 week, or 1 month? just an estimation20:55
NightroseTm_T: how's the little one btw?20:55
JontheEchidnatarimari: honestly we don't know yet.20:56
Tm_TNightrose: fine thanks, bit messed sleeping cycle but meh, it's not me who have to look her at night (;)20:56
tarimariJontheEchidna: ok. so i ll go with kubuntu-experimental for the moment...20:56
tarimariJontheEchidna: with upgrading to rc1 i have conflict with mysql 5.1 and amarok. what can i do about that? will it be resolved tomorrow with the kde 4.2 final packaging?20:57
JontheEchidnaare you running jaunty then?20:57
tarimariJontheEchidna: hmm. you are right. it is only at jaunty. ok no20:58
tarimariactually i updated 3 machines, and i was wondering why there are at some machines problems and some other not20:58
tarimarilet me see once more20:58
JontheEchidnayeah, fixed packages for mysql should be released either now or in a few hours when your mirror updates20:58
tarimariyou are right it is only in jaunty, so forget this question. my mistake20:59
NightroseJontheEchidna: i have to upgrade my eeepc from hardy before 30th - what do you recommend? jaunty already or intrepid? (considering ditro upgrade means reinstall)21:00
Nightrosei can live with a few quirks but would rather not b0rk my maschine completely21:00
tarimariNightrose: i propose intrepid allway. jaunty gave me lot of problems21:00
Nightrose_gave_ ;-)21:00
Nightroseit is development21:00
apacheloggerNightrose: X is completely broken in jaunty21:00
Nightroseapachelogger: ewwww ok21:01
tarimariNightrose: if it is your main computer better wait for at least RC for jaunty. that's my experience with interpid said21:01
Nightrosetarimari: it is not - and i know that ;-)21:01
apacheloggerNightrose: well, also depends on the graphics chip, but on intel there are fancy rendering glitches all over the place21:01
tarimariJontheEchidna: (because i have to restore my backups of .kde which are in 4.2rc1, and now reinstalling kubuntu 8.10 i m in 4.1 state) --> can i now install the kubuntu-experimental 4.2 rc1, and tomorrow upgrade to 4.2 final without having any problem at all21:01
apacheloggerNightrose: then again everything but intel is really broken pretty much ;-)21:01
Nightroseapachelogger: any estimation for when X will be fixed?21:02
apacheloggerespecially right now ... can't even build 4.221:02
Nightroseie: should I wait a few days21:02
tarimariJontheEchidna: rephrase my question to "major problem"21:02
apacheloggerNightrose: more like a few weeks21:02
Nightroseintrepid it is21:02
apacheloggerNightrose: it's a completely new X ... and considering not even intel works pretty well with it...21:02
JontheEchidnatarimari: If you upgrade to 4.2 RC1, copy the backup to its normal location, then upgrade tomorrow in theory you shouldn't have major problems21:02
tarimariJontheEchidna: thanks a lot !! :)21:03
tarimariguys tomorrow also openoffice 3.0.1 will be released. after how much time it will be backported to kubuntu intrepid?21:03
JontheEchidnadunno, openoffice isn't something that kubuntu works on21:03
tarimariand if i put openoffice from that PPA that already exists, if i disable it later, can i upgrade to the backported packages later? (because the backported are of better quality)21:04
tarimariwhy is it so much time to backport openoffice 3.0.0? what are the problems?21:05
tvakahso I just ran an upgrade in jaunty, and now I can't start plasma or kontact at all, no crash screen, I have to start them from a terminal to even see any failure message21:05
apacheloggerkde rev 91590721:05
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apacheloggerkde rev 91583121:05
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=915831&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 91583121:05
apacheloggerkde rev 91583721:05
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tarimariJontheEchidna: tomorrow at kubuntu-experimental, the powerdevil problem will be resolved? now with 4.1.96, if i go to install powerdevil it wants to install that one of 4.1, so there is no way to install it. will u include it tomorrow for 4.2?21:07
JontheEchidnapowerdevil is included by default in the kde packages21:07
tarimariJontheEchidna: but it is version 4.1, i cant combine with 4.1.9621:07
JontheEchidnano, it's included in the packages. you don't need to install it as long as you have kdebase-workspace21:08
tarimariJontheEchidna: if i aptitude install powerdevil, then it wants to uninstall half of 4.2rc1, downgrade, uninstall plasmas etc21:08
LureRiddell: will kdebase-workspace/amd64 build restart automatically or it needs you to kick it?21:08
JontheEchidnayes, the "powerdevil" package is KDE 4.1. but in KDE 4.2 powerdevil is not a separate package!21:08
tarimariJontheEchidna: aha!!21:08
tarimarithanks a lot, i go install kdebase-workspace21:09
RiddellLure: dunno, what's wrong with it?21:09
LureRiddell: it failed 3 hours ago, as kdelibs build was not finished yet21:09
tarimariJontheEchidna: actually powerdevil is more nice app than guidance, but what i miss from kdeguidance, is that with mouse-over i can see the current cpu speed. is there any other applet to see the current cpu speed?21:09
LureRiddell: now it is, but it does not start again, even though amd64 build is free21:10
tvakahI seem to not be able to start any KUniqueApplication21:10
JontheEchidnatarimari: I don't know any21:10
tvakahplasma and kontact most notably21:10
tvakahbut kmail does start21:10
tarimariJontheEchidna: can i combine both powerdevil and kdeguidance or mess will happen?21:10
LureRiddell: i386 succeeded, probably due to luck ;-)21:10
JontheEchidnatarimari: they'll probably fight each other for control21:11
tvakahplasma(17931): Communication problem with  "plasma" , it probably crashed.21:11
tvakahError message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "21:11
tarimariJontheEchidna: i install kdebase-workspace, i pushed alt-control-backspace, but i did not see. probably i need to restart the whole system21:12
Riddellmy, that is a broken build21:12
RiddellLure: I think it'll need someone to retry it21:12
tarimariJontheEchidna: i m confused little bit with the change of names of governors. the guidance's performance and dynamic, what are their equivalent at powerdevil?21:13
LureRiddell: oh, I though that you had all super-powers needed ;-)21:13
tvakahtarimari: dontzap is on by default nowadays, "'i.e. ctrl + alt + bs is off by default"21:13
* NCommander is depressed on how much flack Kubuntu 8.10 is getting on /.21:13
JontheEchidnatarimari: I don't know, I don't have a laptop so I've not used either power manager all that much21:13
LureRiddell: do we have build-admin in kubuntu-lovers^Wninjas? ;-)21:13
LureNCommander: you shouldn't: this is so last year ;-)21:14
tvakahso is my failure just due to a half-done upload? or is there something going on?21:14
tarimariJontheEchidna: last question. openoffice 3 packages will have a package, which is actually a start screen for all the rest applications.i saw it at opensuse. will it be also at ubuntu like that? any idea?21:15
JontheEchidnatarimari: as I said, nobody in here works on open office21:15
JontheEchidnaso I don't know21:15
tarimariJontheEchidna: ups sorry i did not mention. at which channel? #ubuntu-devel?21:16
JontheEchidnaI guess21:16
tarimariJontheEchidna: thanks a lot for your patience and kindness21:16
JontheEchidnayou're welcome21:16
RiddellLure: not unless hobbsee is awake21:25
tarimariJontheEchidna: using kubuntu-experimental i ll upgrade now from 4.1 to 4.1.96. after adding the repo, aptitude says 98 updates, and 171 new packages!!  except kdebase-workspace, should i install any other of these 171 new packages? what are they?21:25
Riddellseele: what do you think of this?  GTK's system-config-printer has the right click menu options in a full menu too http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/scp.png21:25
LureRiddell: hobbsee, the gnome lady you mean? ;-)21:26
* Lure hides21:26
tarimariJontheEchidna: it asks me to remove digikam, some kipi plugins. why? when this digikam conflict will be resolved?21:26
Luretarimari: if you use kubuntu-experimental, then you should get digikam from digikam-experimental21:26
tarimariaha, this is a package, or another repo?21:27
Luretarimari: another repo (ppa), similar to kubuntu-experimental21:27
tarimariok , i ll go search for it .thanks for info lure21:27
tarimarikdebase-workspace-data failed to install or upgrade :(21:28
tarimari2 broken21:28
tarimariok i must aptitude full-upgrade once more to continue installing kde 4.1.9621:29
tarimariis it normal?21:29
smarterwhat's wrong with full-upgrade?21:30
tarimarii put kubuntu-experimental to upgrade 4.1 to 4.1.9621:30
tarimarifirst full-upgrade left me with kdebase-workspace-data broken. just full-upgrade once more installed21:30
tarimarii must aptitude remove kdeplasma-addons to go on with installing kdebase-workspace  kdebase-workspace-bin21:32
tarimariand this procedure happened in the few machines that i upgrade21:32
tarimarii hope tomorrow the upgrade to be smoother21:32
JontheEchidnatarimari: I believe I fixed a kdebase-workspace-data conflicting with kde-window-manager the other day for the 4.2.0 packages21:33
knusperfroschwill 4.2. packages be in kubuntu-experimental for intrepid by tomorrow?21:33
tarimariJontheEchidna: what can i do now to finish the upgrade to 4.1.96?21:34
JontheEchidnasudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/apt/cache/nameofdebhere21:34
tarimaridpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.1.96-0ubuntu4~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kcontrol/windowspecific/index.cache.bz2', which is also in package kde-window-manager21:34
tarimarisudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.1.96-0ubuntu4~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb21:35
tarimariJontheEchidna: full-upgrade still complains . libkpi5 broken. libkipi must be removed. so many times i said OK remove them, and it still complains. i use aptitude :D21:36
tarimarii think now it will work with your trick21:36
tarimariJontheEchidna: will it be more smooth to upgrade from 4.1 to 4.2 tomorrow? will this problem be fixed?21:37
JontheEchidnathat problem will be fixed21:37
tarimarikde4d crashed. i ll restart21:38
tarimariwhen kde 4.2 and digikam will be officially released, will they automatically update to the official version, or i must be informed by the news and disable the experimental repos?21:43
seeleRiddell: all functionality should always be in the application menu. the context functionality is just easier to discover21:46
seeleRiddell: does that answer your question?21:46
Riddellseele: ok, I'll create that application menu21:49
seeleRiddell: oooh, hmm.. now i'm not sure.  Is a printer in that list *always* selected? or can one not be selected?21:54
seelebecause if a printer is not selected, that menu is disabled21:55
Riddellseele: right, a print job isn't always selected in which case the menu items will be disabled21:55
seeleright, ok nevermind then21:56
seelethat shouldnt go in there21:56
seeleon the main menu21:56
jussi01anyone can tell me whne the actual 4.2 is out?21:59
Sputjussi01: tomorrow, I'd say21:59
jussi01Sput: ahh, nice. :) thanks22:00
Sputjussi01: if you meant, when upstream releases it22:00
Sputobviously I have no idea about kubuntu packages :) but our packages are already done22:00
jussi01Sput: yeah, I know itll be done about a couple of days after..  ;)22:01
Riddellseele: so keep it right click menu only?22:02
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* seele thinks22:09
ryanakcanixternal: Ping, tomorrow's my last exam, would you and/or jjesse and I be able to get together sometime Wednesday so we can tackle  help.kubuntu.org?22:14
JontheEchidnadamn, apport is getting stupider and stupider...23:57
JontheEchidnabug 32167223:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 321672 in kdebase-workspace "plasma crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32167223:57
ScottKvorian: Looks like jdstrand got to your dkim-milter security fix ...23:57
ScottKJontheEchidna: It's Python and it's open source, so go for it ....23:58
ScottKAcutalll pitti is pretty responsive to good, actionable bugs.23:58
JontheEchidnaoh, maybe I misunderstood what it was doing23:59
JontheEchidnamaybe if the retrace fails it automagically closes the report23:59
JontheEchidnaI thought it was closing the report because newer packages were available23:59

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