[01:38] hrmm [01:39] are things still on track to quassel being the default irc client for jaunty? [01:55] i dunno, but i do know that i far prefer kubuntu[ 9.04]'s default notification priorities [04:12] jjesse_: There's a meeting scheduled or being scheduled to make the decision. MIR is written and pending MIR Team approval. [06:01] seele: I just updated Quassel in my PPA again, so once it builds (it'll be awhile as the buildd's are backlogged) there should be something for you. [06:02] This one uses system icons where they are available and has a few bug fixes. [06:06] ScottK: any idea on amarok2 and kmail akonadi issue resolution? Still seems to be a problem. [06:06] Did Riddell upload mysql 5.1 yesterday or today? [06:06] If not, then it's known not fixed. [06:07] dunno. would it be in a PPA or in main? [06:07] apachelogger had come up with something, but I'm not sure if got uploaded. [06:07] In the archive [06:07] Not PPA. [06:07] hmm.. dunno... [06:07] I just tried an update and it still fails [06:08] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/5.1.30-2ubuntu4 is the thing that's supposed to fix it. [06:08] It's in Binary New. [06:08] So patience. [06:09] rgreening: ^^ How's kvirc coming? [06:09] ScottK: now that 4.2 is pretty well packaged, I should have it uploaded/updated in the AM [06:09] Excellent. [06:10] That solves one of the arts rdepends too. [06:10] ScottK: when is the package freeze? [06:10] ya [06:10] 19th I think. [06:10] ok. [09:48] i did it once again, koffice-data-kde4 is blocking apt due to some icons. what was the fix for that? [10:36] "updates are being automatically installed" not sure we want packagekit to do that [10:46] who is responsible for the ichthux-desktop package? (depends on arts) [10:54] a|wen: raphink and txwikinger [10:56] Riddell: okay, are they aware that arts should be removed from the depends? [10:56] hopefully they are now :) [10:57] :) [11:04] Ridell, I uploaded codelite again (which you rejected first time around). The uploader has removed the offending bits. Good catch! [11:04] mok0: what did I object to again? [11:05] Riddell: oh, a bunch of .dll's and .exe files [11:05] oh aye, nasty those [11:06] Riddell: yep. I am not sure if Mono creates .dll's [11:06] Riddell: if so, there may be some of those left [11:06] Riddell: in the binaries that is [11:09] mok0: hmm, there's still windows binaries in sdk/wxsqlite3/sqlite3/*/*exp [11:09] Riddell: huh? [11:09] * mok0 looks [11:11] Riddell: uhm I can't download it from the queue page? [11:12] mok0: why do you need to? didn't you just upload it [11:12] Riddell: I deleted it [11:12] Riddell: I'll get it from REVU [11:20] Riddell: what's the md5sum of the .orig.tar.gz you have? [11:21] mok0: 8848d5ba2d19f41c1bfd879297de2103 [11:21] Same as mine [11:22] Riddell: I can't see any *exp files? [11:22] oh wait [11:23] damn [11:23] Riddell: ok. I'll contact uploader, please reject it again (if it's convenient for you) [11:27] done [11:27] Riddell: thanks, and thanks for your alertness. [11:28] Riddell: I know nothing about the windows platform, so I don't recognize those extensions. I should have done a "file" on the whole tree though... [12:22] is it possible to do a no-change rebuild of a package easily? [12:23] a|wen: dch -i, debuild -S, dput [12:23] Riddell: i mean in the real archives ... should a debdiff be prepared, or can we simply request it [12:24] real archives? same process whatever the archive [12:24] you simply upload it [12:26] Riddell: atleast kvirc oose arts depends when being rebuild ... i just need someone to test that a rebuild doesn't break it (i'm on intrepid now) [12:27] s/oose/loose/ [12:27] a|wen: make a chroot [12:32] Riddell: what was the status of the old kde3 kdelibs ... were we trying to get rid of those as well? [12:34] a|wen: we hope to get it off the CD (looking unlikely though), it'll stay in ubuntu for a good while yet [12:37] okay, thx [12:53] Riddell: btw, how about reducing kdelibs4's dependencies? ...like remove avahi [12:54] smarter: pling === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-lunch [13:08] JontheEchidna: 1) hola 2) what's with that Connor Imes dude marking bugs as triaged which are clearly not triaged? [13:10] apachelogger: isn't avahi needed? why would we want to remove it? [13:11] Riddell: because it pulls in it's qt3 binding stuff ... also I don't think it's needed for the apps we have left [13:12] only konqueror used it for zeroconf:/ AFAIK [13:19] apachelogger: no clue, I guess he think has-backtrace-but-not-upstreamed is triaged [13:20] JontheEchidna: has-backtrace-and-is-upstreamed wouldn't even suffice from my point of view :P [13:20] * apachelogger demands to know how to reproduce [13:20] has-backtrace-and-has-a-confirmed-upstream-bug [13:20] even better yet [13:21] any way to make quassel's tray icon blink when you're highlighted? [13:22] Sput: ^ [13:22] * apachelogger thought it did at some point [13:23] JontheEchidna: waiting for nuno to finish the systray animation and for me to put it into code then :) [13:23] nice [13:23] or not using KDE integration [13:24] oh well, if I'm at least at the computer I'll see the plasma notificatoin [13:24] and the taskbar highlight [13:24] well, I usually keep quassel in the systray when I'm not using it [13:24] probably because the plasma panel sucked for KDE 4.0 and 4.1 [13:25] and horizontal panel space was in extreme lack [13:26] ah well, the animation will come back [13:26] in some form certainly for 0.4 which is supposed to go into jaunty [13:26] * Sput wonders if that should be a configurable option, or if it should just always animate on highlight [13:27] why would one not want to have it animate? [13:31] who wants to give me a cookie? [13:31] ~order cookie for apachelogger [13:31] * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. [13:31] JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/fancyshell.ogv [13:31] * apachelogger munches cookie and watches openoffice crash [13:34] hello [13:35] agateau: greetings [13:39] rgreening: wanna do some cpp haxx0ring? ;-) [13:40] on? [13:42] rgreening: kcmfiletypes [13:42] rgreening: kde bug 158895 [13:42] KDE bug 158895 in kcmfiletypes "change file icons in file association dialog" [Wishlist,Assigned] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158895 [13:42] apachelogger: I'll have a look [13:43] rgreening: dfaure would be glad ... so would the 3 users who actually use that ;-) [13:43] lol [13:45] ScottK: working on kvirc now. snapshot for jan 26th is bad... reverting to earlier one to see if working. [13:46] a|wen: did you test kvirc without arts? [13:46] not that it would matter, considering it only got 2 users and rgreening is going to replace it with the KDE 4 version anyway :P [13:46] apachelogger: i started it in a chroot, and was able to connect to #kubuntu-devel [13:50] kvirc4.0.0 svn 3034 seems to be compiling... [13:50] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=3034&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 3034 | quotactl support added for libc <5.4.38 [13:50] lol, stupid bot. [13:53] a|wen: good enough [13:54] a|wen: the dep was caused through recursive linking? [13:55] hmm "--disable-FEATURE do not include FEATURE (same as --enable-FEATURE=no)" ... how do you get ./configure to spit out which $FEATURE i can disable/enable? [13:55] a|wen: that should be right under that message :P [13:56] FTBFS.. dam [13:57] a|wen: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address [13:58] apachelogger: uh, sry ... thought about it, but ended up forgetting it again :/ [13:59] :) [13:59] rgreening: I'd just take the working snapshot you had before and kvirc-kde4/kvirc and move on. [13:59] It seemed good when I tested it. [13:59] * a|wen- wonders how to turn off arts in knights then [14:01] a|wen: probably also recursive linking? [14:01] ScottK: I'm looking at the svn code. It seems not kvirc related, but rather KDE4.2 issue... [14:01] a|wen: assuming knights is a KDE app [14:01] ScottK: I'm going to update my pbuilder and try again [14:01] Ah. === davmor2-lunch is now known as davmor2 [14:02] apachelogger: yeah, it is [14:02] checking for mcopidl... not found [14:02] configure: error: The important program mcopidl was not found! [14:02] Please check whether you installed aRts correctly. [14:03] \o/ [14:03] a|wen: I think we'll have to patch, remove the package, or just leave it alone [14:05] apachelogger: yeah, i suppose so [14:06] hm [14:06] a|wen: do you have time to write the author a mail? [14:06] last release was a beta in 2005 ... looks pretty maintainerless I think [14:06] the website also is rather weird ;-) [14:07] Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): [14:07] kvirc_3.4.0-3ubuntu1.dsc: done. [14:07] rgreening: ^ please make sure you incorporate the changelog entry [14:07] apachelogger: thx [14:08] apachelogger: i'll try to see if i can find out anything; but afaik it is quite maintainerless [14:08] akonadi has a nasty habit of making dbus-daemon run out of control [14:08] a|wen-: I would tend to file a removal request then [14:09] Riddell: didn't notice any of that sort [14:09] apachelogger: the debian-package is a patchwork from 2004 onwards [14:10] \o/ [14:11] is it me or is ubuntu popcorn just unusable? [14:11] -r [14:12] a|wen-: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=knights [14:12] apachelogger: is that high or low? [14:13] http://blog.greghaynes.net/index.php?/archives/35-Kobby-Inserted-Its-First-Collaborative-Text.html [14:13] That's an app we will eventually want [14:14] a|wen-: putting things in relation: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=gnome-chess [14:14] rgreening: if it is as buggy as gobby, I can probably live without it :P [14:14] apachelogger: It's just being developed now (hence the 'eventually') :) [14:14] hehe [14:15] I may offer to help dev it later on... [14:15] * rgreening is trying to build kvirc from svn 2008/12/15 .. don't puke please :P [14:15] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=2008&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 2008 | compare head against NULL instead of relying on the compiler to do it [14:15] apachelogger: okay, so high at some level [14:15] dam bot [14:16] a|wen-: I am not sure if we can abandon it ... it appears to be the only kde chess game [14:17] a|wen-: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xboard most used frontend app it seems [14:18] a|wen-: are you attending the meeting tomorrow? [14:19] apachelogger: yeah, seems we can't just throw it away [14:19] apachelogger: i plan to ... (need to get to bed early though, starts at 5AM in my timezone) [14:20] we should discuss it, but the stats clearly are in favor of keeping knights [14:20] PPA's dead? [14:20] but the stats also have flawed relation because we have no KDE based chess app to compare to [14:20] LP is puked [14:20] omg [14:20] soyuz being hungry again? [14:21] it eat my sesion... [14:21] a|wen-: well, please launch a discussion either on the mailing list or at the meeting [14:21] oh, back... hhmmmmm [14:22] apachelogger: yeah, i'll put it on the agenda [14:22] * apachelogger notes that he will probably not be around, so a|wen- better copies the stuff above into a file :P [14:29] * a|wen- starts copying links [14:44] seele: http://www.slideshare.net/fytech/ubuntu-usability-test-report-presentation might be interesting [14:48] finally, someone who did an open source usability study at a unviersity actually gives it back to open source [14:48] you would be surprised how many usability tests get done at university projects.. and we never hear about them [14:49] ARGH [14:49] TIME ON TASK DOES NOT MATTER [14:49] * seele stops reading [14:49] lol [14:50] the feedback is still good [14:50] i wish people would learn proper experimental design [14:51] Riddell: btw, did you push mysql-5.1 out of binary new yet? [14:52] He did [14:52] Or someone did. [14:52] \o/ === a|wen- is now known as a|wen [15:17] apachelogger: yes [15:18] hi you all, i 'd like to write a module wich is intended to work in multiple versions of the kernel , how do I solve the version dependency???? [15:18] MalikLamin: we do KDE here, we're not linux developers [15:21] ok, but doesnt anyone here know about that [15:21] ? [15:22] MalikLamin: #ubuntu-kernel likely, but I'd look into DKMS. [15:26] MalikLamin: try http://kernelnewbies.org/ [15:26] ok tnks [15:32] * a|wen wonders why his makefile keeps being populated with "LDADD -lartskde" ... seems there is still some arts left in the kde packages [15:39] does anyone have a suggestion who/what makes up that line in a Makefile ... there is no reference to arts in the package, so is something external [15:41] Are you building against the de-artsififed kdelibs? [15:42] ScottK: yeah, kdelibs 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu8 [15:42] OK. [15:43] Any arts in the build log for that one? [15:48] ScottK: it contains the line "checking if arts should be compiled... yes" [15:50] That doesn't sound good. [15:50] apachelogger: ^^^ [15:53] hmm, ppa buildds are slow [15:53] can someone who can see private bugs please mark bug 321494 a dupe of 317712 [15:53] Bug 321494 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/321494 is private [15:57] xerosis: done [15:58] JontheEchidna: thanks :) [15:59] * JontheEchidna looks for an upstream bug [16:06] apachelogger: when http://packages.debian.org/experimental/tagua becomes stable, that might be our replacement to knights [16:07] !info knights [16:07] knights (source: knights): A chess interface for the K Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6-8.2ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 817 kB, installed size 1844 kB [16:09] When dependencies for kmail will be changed from mysql5.0 to mysql5.1? I'm asking about that because my Amarok and Kmail need that :) [16:10] jarekh: What we're doing is making them co-installable. [16:10] Not changing them. [16:11] IIRC the change needed for that should be hitting mirrors today. [16:11] thanks [16:18] I see some stable(?) 4.2 in Jaunty main. Thanks a lot and congratulations! [16:34] * JontheEchidna wouldn't upgrade until kdebase-workspace packages are present at least [16:36] a|wen: aye [16:38] apachelogger: seems there is still some arts left in kdelibs [16:39] arts-- [16:39] a|wen: how so? [16:39] * apachelogger even removed all ze arts files [16:40] apachelogger: seems artskde is still done [16:40] meh [16:40] will look at it [16:41] first bindings though [16:41] apachelogger: thx a lot [16:41] hm [16:41] a|wen: are you sure you are looking at the right version? [16:41] apt-cache says ubuntu8 doesn't depend on arts [16:42] i'm looking in kdelibs_4\:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu8_FULLYBUILT.txt [16:42] apachelogger: it seems to be some artskde that is still compiled (but maybe not installed) [16:42] hmhm [16:43] checking if arts should be compiled... yes [16:43] config.status: creating arts/Makefile [16:43] config.status: creating arts/kde/Makefile [16:43] config.status: creating arts/kde/mcop-dcop/Makefile [16:43] config.status: creating arts/knotify/Makefile [16:43] config.status: creating arts/message/Makefile [16:44] bogus output [16:45] nothing gets installed [16:45] + it can't build anything linking to arts if no arts is around at all [16:45] which is clearly the case [16:45] checking for aRts-1.1... disabled [16:45] a|wen: let's just blame stupid autohell :P [16:45] no build-deps and no shlib deps means nothing to worry about [16:46] apachelogger: yeah ... but the problem is that ld very much wants to link against artskde when building against libs (if you let autohell decide) [16:46] Oo [16:46] a|wen: when building what? [16:47] apachelogger: knights, with all references to arts removed [16:49] a|wen: maybe you need to rerun automake [16:50] or make -f Makefile.{am,cvs} [16:51] apachelogger: how is it normally adviced to do that? [16:51] within the build process [16:51] apachelogger: shouldn't that be part of the build-process normally ... [16:53] no, it tempers with the autohell files, so in most cases you will need loads of clean rules to get the tree into it's original state again [16:53] probably also the reason gnomies seem to prefer having the changes a patch rather than doing it at compile time [16:54] not that I would about that fancy autotools stuff :P [16:57] that is indeed autohell :/ [16:58] the auto stands for "automatic pain" [17:31] * a|wen finally got around that autohell [17:40] seems arts wasn't knight's only problem ... bug 285467 [17:40] Launchpad bug 285467 in knights "knights package has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285467 [17:43] * Lure notices that 4.2/final does not seems to be compatible with 4.2/rc plasma - ENODESKTOP [17:46] I'm trying to compile kdetv for KDE4 using cmake and I got error: [17:46] libkvideoio.a(qvideostream.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC [17:46] where I should write -fPIC flag? [17:50] Lure: the plasma guys made some last minute binary incompatible changes [17:51] > Hi, [17:51] > [17:51] hi Lure :) [17:51] Riddell: ah, now I remember Aaron [17:52] sorry, my synaptics is doing strange pastes recently [17:52] Aaron was very happy to find it before release [17:53] * Lure is still used to work w/o plasma since early times of working with SVN version ;-) [17:53] Nightrose: around? [17:53] g'day jcastro [17:54] hi! [17:54] jcastro: jep [17:54] wasup? :) [17:54] Nightrose: I am looking for 10 projects to focus bug work and upstream linkages for the cycle [17:55] ai [17:55] got any plans for bug days, etc this cycle? [17:55] no plans on my side so far [17:56] ok [17:56] apachelogger: knights is already broken in intrepid [17:56] Nightrose: mind if we try a bug day or something in the future? [17:56] jcastro: but if you have something in mind i can get people together for it probably [17:56] a|wen: I suppose that supports dropping it [17:56] I would like to measure how well it will work [17:56] jcastro: not at all [17:56] \o/ [17:57] ;-) [17:57] * Nightrose loves being a labrat [17:57] :P [17:57] lol [17:57] apachelogger: pretty much ... missing deps; i'll just test what removing it does [17:58] * apachelogger pushes last bzr branch [18:07] * Riddell gets printer-applet back into a working state and cheers [18:09] whoo [18:09] Riddell++ [18:09] * Arby sends Riddell cookies [18:09] how long until it's ready to review? [18:35] * a|wen notes that knights is totally unusable without kdebase-kio-plugins ... which is neither avaible in intrepid nor jaunty [18:40] night everyone [19:03] seele: this is just the applet [19:12] apachelogger: KDE uses xdg stuff for mimetype detection, correct? [19:15] JontheEchidna: aye [19:15] bug 309778 is probably an xdg-utils bug? [19:15] Launchpad bug 309778 in krusader "KDE always associates *.jar with the zip mime type" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309778 [19:16] I checked the oxygen icons, and there is a jar mimetype icon [19:19] Riddell: oh, the indicator in the panel? [19:20] JontheEchidna: krusader is not KDE 4, is it? [19:20] it is [19:20] oh, then it's all the shared-mime-info's fault [19:20] we have had a kde4 post-beta svn snapshot since intrepid [19:21] JontheEchidna: that dude shall run xdg-mime on the file [19:22] xdg-mime query filetype $FILE if I am not mistaken [19:22] uh, that was almost ruby ^_^ [19:32] seele: yes [19:33] Riddell: do you have a link to the fdo notification spec? i dont know what it's formally called and i cant find it [19:33] (or know what it's called so i can find it myself0 [19:37] seele: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/ I think [19:37] it's not actually a freedesktop spec, it just uses that namespace in a cheeky way [19:42] Riddell: thanks === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === hunger_t is now known as hunger [20:12] Tomorrow we are going to get kde4.2:-) Any estimation when it will hit intrepid backports/updates? [20:13] tomorrow :P [20:13] JontheEchidna: You guys are really that fast with packaging it? Wow:-) [20:13] they release the sourcecode a week before each release [20:13] for packagers to package [20:14] it'll need the buildds to hurry up a bit though [20:14] So you will have it nice and shiny tomorrow:-) [20:15] Riddell: Nothing pending for intrepid at this time. [20:15] oh good, they are hurrying up [20:15] hunger: where do you see that? [20:16] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending [20:16] hunger: that's the ubuntu archive, we're doing it in a PPA [20:16] Oh. [20:16] Too bad. [20:16] Will it hit the archives, too? [20:17] here it goes https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/osmium [20:17] Like intrepid-backports or -updates? [20:17] kde 4.1.4 is still sitting in -proposed:-) [20:17] it should go into -backports eventually but I think we'll just copy it to a public PPA for tomorrow until it gets more testing [20:17] apachelogger: that right? [20:18] actually I think it should go to experimental [20:18] then testing [20:18] then ppa [20:18] then (considering we don't have to recompile half of the archives for the libs) backports [20:18] apachelogger: That does not sound like it will be done before jaunty is out:-) [20:19] well, I'd like to play save [20:19] upgrade quirks are nasty and since we didn't do any QA in that regard there is likely some conflict in 4.1 => 4.2 [20:20] so I guess we'll be able to move to ppa by the end of the week [20:21] ha! [20:21] workspace is queued for build in 3 hours [20:27] apachelogger: right, experimental is a public PPA [20:27] hehe [20:27] Riddell: I thought you were talking about kde4 members :) [20:49] JontheEchidna: i continue the discussion here, from #kubuntu, because anyway this is more a dev question [20:50] now i have the choice to install kde 4.2 rc from ppa of kubuntu-experimental [20:50] hi [20:50] when 4.2 final packages wil be available? [20:50] hopefully by tomorrow [20:50] tarimari: when it's released and packages are ready [20:50] kde will be realeased 18:00 UTC [20:50] it will take some hours, or few days? [20:50] as you says it seems few hours, then it's cool :) [20:51] tarimari: hours if it goes as planned [20:51] we try to be first [20:51] i have reason for asking, i ll explain [20:51] has kubuntu had an lts release since dapper yet? [20:51] coreymon77: nope [20:51] coreymon77: no, nor will until, well, next LTS [20:51] tarimari: 18:00 is a very bold statement ;-) [20:51] it will be released when the releaseteam is ready [20:52] that might be at 18:00, earlier or a little later [20:52] i just reinstalled kubuntu. now i have 8.10 with kde 4.1. My backups are with kde 4.2 rc1 kubuntu-experimental [20:52] that 1800 UTC is what is aimed, it's not that accurate always though [20:52] and i want to restore my backup [20:52] my question is: [20:52] Tm_T: trust me - i am in the team ;-) [20:53] should i upgrade once more to 4.2 rc1 kubuntu-experimental and restore all the .kde backup [20:53] or wait 1-2 days till the new packages? [20:53] and then backup file by file and setup again [20:54] i mean: the new kde 4.2 final will be available at kubuntu-experimental ppa, or at someother ubuntu central server repo? [20:54] in a ppa first [20:54] tarimari: it will be made available in the ppa initially [20:55] ok [20:55] though in the end we hope it will end up in intrepid-backports [20:55] and after how many days at ubuntu repos? [20:55] when approx? [20:55] Nightrose: I trust you, because I know you're on team, I was merely saying what you said in other words, perhaps failed though [20:55] dunno, after sufficient testing is done I suppose [20:55] i ask again this because i have some other machines to updates which are still 4.1 [20:55] Tm_T: ah ;-) *hug* [20:55] sufficient testing means 1 week, or 1 month? just an estimation [20:55] Tm_T: how's the little one btw? [20:56] tarimari: honestly we don't know yet. [20:56] Nightrose: fine thanks, bit messed sleeping cycle but meh, it's not me who have to look her at night (;) [20:56] hehe [20:56] JontheEchidna: ok. so i ll go with kubuntu-experimental for the moment... [20:57] JontheEchidna: with upgrading to rc1 i have conflict with mysql 5.1 and amarok. what can i do about that? will it be resolved tomorrow with the kde 4.2 final packaging? [20:57] are you running jaunty then? [20:58] JontheEchidna: hmm. you are right. it is only at jaunty. ok no [20:58] actually i updated 3 machines, and i was wondering why there are at some machines problems and some other not [20:58] let me see once more [20:58] yeah, fixed packages for mysql should be released either now or in a few hours when your mirror updates [20:59] you are right it is only in jaunty, so forget this question. my mistake [20:59] :) [21:00]