[00:15] <KDesk> Is possible to transfer AAC audio files from Amarok to an iPod?
[00:16] <jammen33> yes
[00:16] <jammen33> i believe so
[00:23] <KDesk> I can't...
[00:24] <jammen33> is it drm protected?
[00:25] <Dr_willis> 'protected' what a 'positive' term... it really 'protects' me :)
[00:26] <Dr_willis> DRR - Digital RIghts Restricted
[00:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:29] <mefisto__> speaking of drm... in Xorg.0.log I see lots of references to drm. is this ati trying to "protect" me, or something other than digital rights management?
[00:36] <kaddi> is there a known bug for the otr-plugin and kopete in kde4?
[00:40] <vital> mefisto__: Direct Rendering Manager
[00:41] <mefisto__> vital: thanks, that makes more sense
[00:53] <compilerwriter> Can anybody tell me a quick and dirty way to select a certain set of pages in okular to print out of a document?
[00:56] <mefisto__> compilerwriter: you mean not a range (eg pages 3-12)?
[00:56] <compilerwriter> actually mefisto__ a range will do.  I am scanning through the Okular handbook now, but am not finding anything yet.
[00:57] <compilerwriter> I have not used okular much on many multipage documents.  It is also rare that I print anything from it period, but this time it would really be useful.
[00:57] <mefisto__> compilerwriter: when I click the print button, it's in the options. print all, or pages from _ to _
[00:58] <compilerwriter> Thanks mefisto__
[01:13] <carol> Ola
[01:13] <carol> Ola
[01:14] <carol> ninguem responde??
[01:20] <lovre> hi all
[01:21] <hubar> hi there!
[01:21] <lovre> i have problems with sound. WHen i watch a flash movie in firefox, for example on youtube, it plays sound, but the suddenly it just stops, and nothing is heard anymore, not even in amarok. I have to restart x to get sound back. What is happening?
[01:21] <juacom99> ups
[01:21] <juacom99> i delet the kmenu panel :S
[01:21] <juacom99> and i can get i back
[01:22] <lovre> juacom99: do you use kde4?
[01:24] <juacom99> yes
[01:24] <juacom99> this is the first time i use it in fact
[01:24] <lovre> juacom99: you removed the kmenu icon that pops up the main menu?
[01:24] <juacom99> i was using the the old one
[01:24] <juacom99> yes
[01:24] <juacom99> can i bring it back?
[01:24] <lovre> sure
[01:25] <lovre> juacom99: right click on the tray and select Unlock Widgets
[01:25] <lovre> juacom99: then click right click again, and select Add widget
[01:25] <lovre> juacom99: there in the list find the kmenu and click Add widget
[01:25] <lovre> juacom99: thats it i spose
[01:26] <mefisto__> lovre: what version of the flash plugin do you have?
[01:27] <juacom99> that bring me aonly the k menu
[01:27] <lovre> mefisto__: how do i check this?
[01:27] <juacom99> not the full panel :S
[01:27] <lovre> juacom99: you can find panel in that list too
[01:27] <lovre> juacom99: and other things if you removed them, everything is there
[01:27] <lovre> juacom99: just add widgets as you want
[01:28] <mefisto__> lovre: go to about:plugins in firefox, listed under shockwave flash
[01:29] <lovre> mefisto__: is this it:Shockwave Flash 10.0 r15
[01:30] <lovre> mefisto__: i have two listed, Shockwave Flash, and FutureSplash Player
[01:30] <juacom99> i can't find the panel you said :S
[01:30] <mefisto__> lovre: yes, you have flash 10 plugin
[01:30] <juacom99> i found the systray
[01:31] <juacom99> one call pager
[01:31] <juacom99> i cna't add
[01:31] <juacom99> and de task menu
[01:31] <lovre> juacom99: pager is not systray, its just buttons that swith between desktops
[01:32] <juacom99> i gount 3
[01:32] <juacom99> *found
[01:32] <juacom99> that 3 i mention
[01:32] <lovre> juacom99: its called Task Manager
[01:32] <juacom99> ok
[01:33] <lovre> mefisto__: any idea?
[01:33] <khalidmian> what happened to games arnt there any games in kubuntu
[01:34] <mefisto__> lovre: I don't know what's wrong with sound in flash, but instead of restarting X, you can restart alsa (and any app using it will be killed) with: sudo alsa force-reload
[01:37] <khalidmian> needs the sudo command to get vlc player
[01:38] <khalidmian> atleast help on that pls
[01:39] <kaddi> khalidmian: i was as suprised as you, when i noticed that the games were missing, you can simply install them via adept
[01:39] <kaddi> and there are loads and loads of games :D
[01:40] <khalidmian> kaddi: i thought somegames came as default but it seems not so in kubuntu
[01:40] <kaddi> i seem to recall as well that this has been the case in earlier version, but apparently not any longer
[01:41] <kaddi> how did you install vlc?
[01:43] <khalidmian> sudo apt-get install vlc
[01:44] <hubar> Question, how do I set up pulse audio on my kubuntu 8.1? It keeps complaining that connection refused.
[01:47] <kaddi> khalidmian: hmm.. i ain't a kubuntu-guru either... have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling it? (typical windowsapproahc. :D )
[01:48] <kaddi> else, you could check if you find vlc in your /usr/bin folder and check the permissions on the file
[01:48] <juacom99> is there any way
[01:48] <Makuseru> !7z
[01:49] <juacom99> to change top up panel down?
[01:49] <JohnFlux> hubar: I had that once and rebooted.  that solved the problem
[01:50] <hubar> JohnFlux: hmm that sounds easy :)
[01:50] <kaddi>  khalidmian:  else, you could check if you find vlc in your /usr/bin folder and check the permissions on the file
[01:50] <JohnFlux> hubar: sorry I can't help any more than that :)
[01:51] <hubar> I did it once under my old ubuntu 8.1.
[01:51] <hubar> (I mean reboot)
[01:51] <hubar> But it doesn't work anymore. :( (With kubuntu)
[01:52] <JohnFlux> hubar: dunno sorry
[01:54] <mefisto__> hubar: is there a reason you need pulseaudio?
[01:54] <khalidmian> hubar: yeah why do u need pulse audio lol
[01:55] <hubar> mefisto__: not anything in particular, do you have any other things to recommend?
[01:55] <libervisco> Anyone trying 4.2 RC?
[01:56] <libervisco> and having plasmoids cause plasma crashes and forgetting settings?
[01:56] <khalidmian> hubar: what did u want to use pulse audio for
[01:58] <dtchen> hubar: you need to install all the recommended pulseaudio bits (including policykit) and configure arts/phonon to use esd mode
[01:59] <Adola> Is there anywhere I can get some epsxe help?
[01:59] <hubar> dtchen: err, PA was easy to install and get it to work under ubuntu, :( So what is a good sound server program for KDE?
[02:00] <dtchen> hubar: phonon does an admirable job by default
[02:01] <dtchen> that said, phonon certainly is capable of using xine-lib or GSt configured to PulseAudio
[02:06] <hubar> dtchen: The reason I use PA is I no longer was bothered by annoying error message that said "XXX is using this device / This device is locked". Can phonon do that?
[02:08] <Omikane> With RAM when it says something like PC5400 or PC6400 what does that mean?
[02:08] <mgroman> !ohmy | Omikane
[02:08] <Omikane> What?
[02:09] <Omikane> !ohmy | mgroman
[02:09] <dtchen> hubar: phonon isn't really a sound server.
[02:09] <hubar> Obviously RAM had become a dirty word. :)
[02:10] <dtchen> hubar: it's up to phonon's backend to handle that, be it xine-lib or GSt
[02:10] <Omikane> I see...
[02:10] <Omikane> lol
[02:10] <hubar> dtchen: What is GSt?
[02:10] <hubar> Gstreamer?
[02:10] <dtchen> hubar: of course, xine-lib and GSt both can use oss, alsa, pulseaudio, esound, etc.
[02:10] <dtchen> yes
[02:11] <hubar> hmm...
[02:12] <mefisto__> linux sound is not complicated at all...
[02:16] <dtchen> mefisto__: depends how you look at it: http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png
[02:18] <mefisto__> dtchen: my new desktop background!
[02:19] <kaddi> if i had to make this kind of pictures which program would be the best? :D
[02:20] <dtchen> kaddi: graphviz, specifically, dot
[02:21] <khalidmian> damn i forgot the place from where one can make kopete auto login/start
[02:24] <khalidmian> pls help i think i have new kopete version cant find auto start
[02:28] <mefisto__> khalidmian: settings, configure, behavior. turn on "connect automatically"
[02:30] <khalidmian> mefisto__: would that be the same as setting initial status:online
[02:30] <khalidmian> mefisto__: as i cant seem to find connect auto
[02:32] <khalidmian> mefisto__: i am on ver 0.60.82 in kopete
[02:33] <mefisto__> khalidmian: I have 0.60.2
[02:35] <cjae> Hi what the quick command to set KDE back to default sudo mv ~/.kde or something like that I really messed up my panel
[02:35] <mefisto__> khalidmian: maybe there's something in account settings?
[02:35]  * cjae should have locked widgets
[02:35] <khalidmian> mefisto__: looked everywhere no option for auto connect just a setting for initial status
[02:39] <Anarch> kdesudo not found on fresh install of kubuntu-desktop onto an existing Gutsy.  Tips?
[02:39] <mefisto__> cjae: sudo mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.backup (which renames .kde to .kde.backup) but do that when not logged in to kde
[02:40] <mefisto__> Anarch: I think kdesudo came with hardy. is there kdesu ?
[02:41] <Anarch> mefisto__: checking ...
[02:42] <Anarch> mefisto__: kdesu is a symlink to kdesudo under Gutsy kubuntu.
[02:42] <mefisto__> Anarch: tried installing it?
[02:44] <Anarch> mefisto__: Yes, but it's already up-to-date.  So I did --reinstall, and now I'm about to check the result after reboot.
[02:45] <Anarch> mefisto__: BTW, this is coming up because I'm trying to fix the screen rez.  Of course, what I'd really like to do is fix it by editing a config file, but I've never found the text file in which KDE stores its default rez.  (I'd better fix kdesudo anyway though.)
[02:46] <Anarch> mefisto__: Same problem after --reinstall then reboot.
[02:50] <mefisto__> Anarch: does the file /usr/bin/kdesudo exist?
[02:51] <Anarch> mefisto__: Yes.  /usr{,/X11R6}/bin/kdesudo are hardlinks of the same file.
[02:53] <orest> hi guys
[02:56] <Tinason> kde 4.2 is released tomorrow. how long b4 it hits repositories?
[02:56] <mefisto__> Anarch: don't know if it will make any difference, but you could maybe try downloading the deb and installing that way: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/i386/kdesudo/download
[02:57] <Anarch> mefisto__: Well, it's a thought ... I'll probably try it ... but it'd also be super-cool to know how to change the kubuntu-desktop screen resolution by editing a config file, because doing that with sudo will Just Work.  Any idea in what file that resolution is stored?
[03:00] <mefisto__> Anarch: I think it's just xorg.conf but that is not specific to kde. you already have ubuntu/gnome installed right?
[03:01] <Anarch> mefisto__: Yes, Gnome is installed and already knows that I want 1280x1024.
[03:02] <Anarch> mefisto__: I've had this problem continuously since Feisty: every reboot requires fixing screen rez by hand.  The problem of kdesudo not working is new.  kdesu does work under Feisty.
[03:05] <jonathan__> Mmm What do I need to install to access this pc from my Windows' on my laptop to get files and all?
[03:06] <ohhai> Hi, I'm running ALSA 1.0.17 on my Kubuntu 8.10, 32 bit, which in turn runs on my ASUS W3J laptop with HD-Audio Intel card that is identified as AD198x. In most of the settings for alsa-base I get situation 1) sound output working, but no sound input. The only time when sound input seems to work is with the 2) "options snd-hda-intel model=3stack", but then, ironically, sound output stops working. My laptop has only two jacks (one for microphone,
[03:08] <mefisto__> Anarch: so you can set the screenrez but it is lost after reboot?
[03:08] <orest> hi guys, sorry if this is not the right channel, how can i program java for my mobile?
[03:08] <Anarch> mefisto__: On Gutsy I can't set the rez at all because the only way I know to do it is a GUI that fails because kdesudo fails.  On Feisty, I can set it, but it is lost on reboot.
[03:10] <mefisto__> Anarch: krandrtray is a panel applet that lets you change resolution
[03:10] <Anarch> mefisto__: I'll try that.  BTW, I'm trying Konsole:`kcontrol &`,
[03:11] <Anarch> mefisto__: wait ... actually, I'm trying `sudo kcontrol &` in an xterm,
[03:11] <laptop> favor -- im using kubuntu --- any site for compaq v3617tu driver for WiFi -- hard to find one
[03:11] <Anarch> mefisto__: and that gets me the config screen, but when I "change" resolutions, nothing happens.
[03:12] <mefisto__> Anarch: does /etc/X11/xorg.conf have any resolution settings in it?
[03:14] <Anarch> mefisto__: Section "Screen" lists many settings from 256x256 up to 1280x1024; 1280x1024 is first, and nothing anywhere in the file suggests that 1024x768 should receive preeminence.  This is why I believe there's some other text file determining it.
[03:15] <Anarch> mefisto__: `apt-cache search krandrtray` -> ""
[03:16] <laptop> [22:11] <laptop> favor -- any driversite for kubuntu ---  compaq v3617tu driver for WiFi -- hard to find one -- sorry im a newbie
[03:16] <khalidmian> why cant i see other parties cam on kopete
[03:22] <LinuxHack3r> Katapult for kde4...anything?
[03:22] <Omikane_> I just installed a 20" display and for some reason it's cutting off the left side of the screen. the res is 1680:1050
[03:23] <mefisto__> Anarch: krandrtray is probably already installed. I think it's part of kcontrol, and you said you have that
[03:23] <JohnFlux> LinuxHack3r: don't think so
[03:23] <LinuxHack3r> JohnFlux: Any alternative?
[03:23] <mefisto__> LinuxHack3r: alt-F2, pretty much the same functionality
[03:24] <LinuxHack3r> mefisto__: For the most part...correct.
[03:25] <mefisto__> LinuxHack3r: I read somewhere that the katapult dev intends to retire it and contribute to whatever the alt-F2 thing is called if some katapult functions are missing
[03:27] <Anarch> mefisto__: Yes, krandrtray is installed.  However, with KControl I got an interseting error cascade at <http://paste.ubuntu.com/109640/>.  `locate displayconfig
[03:27] <Anarch> mefisto__: does find stuff; so does `man displayconfig`; experimenting ...
[03:28] <LinuxHack3r> mefisto__: Cool...that'lll do ok. Katapult was cool..but if alt-f2 was to make it so that it reads the menu items...then ok. I just have added a few menu items and such..I'll just have to do something else though.
[03:31] <juacom99> hi
[03:32] <juacom99> does someone knows how to put the kmenu panel back down
[03:33] <mefisto__> Anarch: displayconfig is the module that kde uses to change display settings. it should look the same whether it's from kcontrol, system settings, or started simply with "displayconfig"
[03:34] <Anarch> mefisto__: Right, it does.  I ran it by hand ... and it nuked my rez down to 640x480, and after reboot no higher option is offered!
[03:34] <mefisto__> Anarch: type kcmshell --list   to see all the available modules. to use them, kcmshell <modulename>
[03:35] <Hiryu> how do you configure X?
[03:37] <Anarch> mefisto__: Ahh, xorg.conf got nuked on the previous reboot.  Trying to restore.
[03:38] <mefisto__> Anarch: I was just going to suggest looking for a backup xorg.conf (usually xorg.conf.20090126 or something with the date/time appended)
[03:38] <Hiryu> there's no utility to configure X with??
[03:43] <mefisto__> Hiryu: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:43] <Hiryu> mefisto__: didn't give me options to specify my max res, my drivers, etc
[03:45] <juacom99> can anyone plese help me put my kmenu panel in the top down part of the screen with kde4
[03:45] <Hiryu> I had to copy over my xorg.conf from debian
[03:45] <cjae> http://pastebin.com/m6da93662
[03:46] <mefisto__> Hiryu: there's kxgenerator but I've never used it
[03:46] <mefisto__> Anarch: maybe kxgenerator is something worth looking into?
[03:48] <Anarch> mefisto__: I'm saving all your suggestions and will try them, but I don't like these black boxes.  BBs are only useful if they Just Work; when they Just Fail, they're major work-stoppers.  I'm diddling xorg.conf now, guessing modelines.
[03:50] <Anarch> mefisto__: The fact that my config got nuked down to 640x480 /MAY/ indicate that the default is truly in xorg.conf, but I can't tell.  The most recent backup the system saved is from 15 minutes ago.  I still really need to know about any text config files KDE keeps that'd allow me to do configuration with vi instead of these failing GUIs.
[03:51] <mefisto__> Anarch: gtf 1280 1024 60   will give you correct modelines for 1280x1024 @60
[03:51] <Anarch> mefisto__: Thank you ... I suspect I need @50, based on how the GUI behaved when I tried to take it up to 1280x1024.
[03:52] <cjae> anyone catch my pastebin
[03:53] <Anarch> mefisto__: /me reads `man xorg.conf` to find out what "gtf" means ... "get this fixed" maybe.
[03:53] <Anarch> mefisto__: Pattern not found
[03:57] <juacom99> cjae: i read it buy i don't know what could be
[03:57] <mefisto__> Anarch: gtf apparently is generalised timing formula
[03:58] <Anarch> mefisto__: Interesting that it wasn't mentioned in `man xorg.conf`.
[03:58] <Anarch> mefisto__: Too late now ... rebooting with a mad savage hack of a restored xorg.conf ...
[04:00] <Anarch> mefisto__: Not unexpectedly, this hack brought me back up with KDM displaying 1280x1024, then KDE desktop reverting to 1024x768.  This is what used to happen on Feisty.  I conclude that KDE has its own file telling which rez I want, and I haven't found where that file is.
[04:02] <hubar> question, where do I change the setting for kubuntu power management?
[04:02] <hubar> I wanna change the setting for when laptop lid closed.
[04:03] <mefisto__> Anarch: could I see your xorg.conf ?
[04:04] <khalidmian> cant see my friends cam via yahoo plugin in kopete any help?
[04:05] <cjae> I must just be an issue with plasma because it seems to be an issue on another distro and my good, good copy of xorg does't work either
[04:05] <cjae> s/I/It
[04:06]  * cjae sets up twinview again
[04:06] <khalidmian> also wants to know how to dcc
[04:06] <Anarch> mefisto__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/109652/
[04:06] <mefisto__> Anarch: I had that problem (kdm correct rez, kde wrong) on my previous ati card. putting in a "Display" subsection with Virtual 1280 1024 fixed it
[04:07] <Anarch> mefisto__: Strange ... I thought I already did that.  See <http://paste.ubuntu.com/109652/> line 128.
[04:08] <Anarch> mefisto__: I'm wandering thru ~/.kde, a maze of twisty passages, all different ...
[04:08] <mefisto__> Anarch: that's the subsection I had in my old xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/109653/
[04:10] <madraykin> I just upgraded to jaunty (I know it's unstable :P ) .. but my sound doesn't work. I get an error message saying the alsa device won't work. Is there a way to configure my sound card?
[04:10] <Anarch> mefisto__: Not seeing a significant difference between yours and mine.  I suspect that some black box observed the hack in your config and changed a ~/.kde file, for which I am still searching, like a character in a play by Beckett.
[04:13] <tom_> hello
[04:13] <Anarch> mefisto__: WOOHOO I FOUND IT!!!  <~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc> specifies the config!
[04:14] <mefisto__> Anarch: well done! but does it have any effect?
[04:14] <Anarch> mefisto__: Note that this doesn't solve the problem of kdesudo being "not found" when it's obviously there and in /usr/bin of all not-not-findable-in places, but still, this is Good, if it survives a reboot.
[04:14] <Anarch> mefisto__: I'll let you know ...
[04:15] <hubar> hmm Can anyone help?
[04:15] <tom_> maybe ubar
[04:15] <Firefishe> How do I negate the Kubuntu splash screen at startup?
[04:17] <tom_> up arrow to top is kubuntu down arrow to bottom is xp?
[04:17] <mefisto__> Firefishe: you mean you don't want any splash screen?
[04:18] <Firefishe> mefisto__:  Correct.  I prefer to watch the output, rather than the progress bar.
[04:18] <tom_> whoops negate i was thinking negotiate
[04:18] <Firefishe> turn off the kubuntu progress bar
[04:18] <Firefishe> at startup
[04:18] <Firefishe> nosplash in /etc/fstab on the proper line?
[04:19] <Firefishe> or in  /grub/menu.lst?
[04:19] <mefisto__> Firefishe: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find # defoptions=splash   and remove "splash" from default kernel options
[04:19] <mefisto__> Firefishe: then when it's saved, sudo update-grub
[04:19] <Firefishe> mefisto__:  Thank you.  And just add it again if I want it back?
[04:20] <mefisto__> Firefishe: then check menu.lst to make sure update-grub changed all your kernel lines to not include "splash"
[04:20] <Anarch> mefisto__: Yes, editing ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc worked to change my per-user screen rez.  Also, another clue I found and saved many moons ago: /etc/usplash.conf contains the /default/ screen rez for the system startup.
[04:21] <mefisto__> Firefishe: yes, anything in that defoptions line will be added to every kernel line in grub, but you have to "update-grub" after editing
[04:22] <Firefishe> mefisto__:  K.  And Anarch:  Informative, I hadn't knownt hat.
[04:22] <Firefishe> that
[04:22] <mefisto__> Anarch: good info. splash resolution gave me a headache with my old vidcard also
[04:23] <tom_> what can I do to make a printer work on a network like it does in windows xp
[04:23] <ohhai> How do I get Linux Kernel Sources (required by ALSA)?
[04:23] <hubar> Where do I change the setting for kubuntu power management?
[04:25] <tom_> system preferences power management
[04:25] <khalidmian> cant see my friends cam via yahoo plugin in kopete any help?
[04:25] <mefisto__> khalidmian: port forwarding in your router for the port kopete is using
[04:26] <hubar> tom_: Where is that?
[04:26] <hubar> tom_: system prefs only exists in ubuntu.
[04:27] <khalidmian> hubar: under computer/system settings
[04:28] <tom_> yeah i got ubuntu
[04:29] <hubar> khalidmian: hmm
[04:29] <hubar> khalidmian: I don't have it.
[04:29] <truetothegame> try using kde-power-manager
[04:29] <truetothegame> you can change from dynamic to preformance
[04:30] <mefisto__> khalidmian: look at the 2nd question in troubleshooting http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=kopete webcam support
[04:30] <hubar> that command doesn't exist either. :(
[04:30] <hubar> kde-power-manager..
[04:30] <hubar> Can you look it up?
[04:30] <mefisto__> khalidmian: 'http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=kopete webcam support'
[04:30] <truetothegame> kde-guidance-powermanager
[04:31] <truetothegame> or kde-guidance-power-manager
[04:31] <khalidmian> hubar: do u have a small battery icon in tray on right
[04:31] <truetothegame> not kde-power-manager
[04:31] <truetothegame> srry
[04:32] <mefisto__> khalidmian: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=kopete%20webcam%20support
[04:32] <hubar> khalidmian: yes I do
[04:32] <hubar> khalidmian: I just wanna set it to suspend when I close lid. :(
[04:32] <truetothegame> right click it and see if it says cpu policy
[04:32] <khalidmian> hubar: double right click on battery icon
[04:33] <truetothegame> then click the powersave option same result
[04:34] <hubar> hmm, there must be a configuration tool that I can use to configure that...
[04:34] <truetothegame> if you want to save battery life while using the actual os use dynamic
[04:34] <truetothegame> if you have it pluged in use preformence
[04:34] <hubar> hmm nothing happened.
[04:35] <hubar> I double right click it.
[04:35] <khalidmian> single right click?
[04:35] <khalidmian> left click?
[04:35] <khalidmian> anything?
[04:35] <khalidmian> on bat icon
[04:35] <hubar> and kde-guidance-p-w doesn't exist either.
[04:35] <hubar> khalidmian: Yeah a small menu pulled up
[04:36] <truetothegame> double click on battery icon or kde-guidence-pm and then at the bottom it says that and click suspend
[04:36] <khalidmian> what about left click
[04:36] <truetothegame> download it do hAVe 8.10
[04:36] <truetothegame> kubuntu
[04:36] <hubar> Yeah I know it has suspend option...
[04:37] <hubar> lol
[04:37] <hubar> left click worked.
[04:37] <truetothegame> the package is available online
[04:37] <truetothegame> if you dnt
[04:38] <truetothegame> have it
[04:38] <hubar> hmm what is that guidance pm gui called?
[04:39] <truetothegame> kde-guidance-powermanager
[04:39] <truetothegame> i think
[04:39] <truetothegame> i was drunk when i researched it
[04:40] <hubar> That is GUI executable's name or package name?
[04:41] <keke> 2pac
[04:42] <Anarch> pa #apache
[04:43] <hubar> hmm
[04:43] <truetothegame> package but it should install the gui i think but i havent checkjed you could also use powersave or kpowersave
[04:43] <hubar> kde-guidance-powermanager - A frontend to HAL's power features for KDE (dummy package)
[04:43] <hubar> dummy?
[04:44] <truetothegame> kpowersave does the same thing as kde-guidance-powermanager
[04:44] <truetothegame> what about 2pac
[04:44] <TraceRoute> would it be possible to make a symbolic link to /dev/sda1 (NTFS) partition and have ushare to be able to access files from it?
[04:44] <truetothegame> download the other package mentioned in the same website or download kpowersave
[04:44] <truetothegame> idk trace
[04:45] <truetothegame> knoppix will let you do it though
[04:45] <hubar> ahha here we go
[04:45] <hubar> kpowersave - HAL based power management applet for KDEkpowersave - HAL based power management applet for KDE
[04:45] <hubar> sneaky bastard, finally found it.
[04:46] <truetothegame> you could even transfer files from one partiton to another or one hardrive to another
[04:46] <hubar> Gonna go to bed now, nite all!
[04:46] <truetothegame> gj
[04:46] <truetothegame> good nite enjoy
[04:50] <keke> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/58717
[04:53] <Firefishe> I"m editing  my /boot/grub/menu.lst file.  Can someone tell me what this does, and what `quiet' means?: # defoptions=quiet splash
[04:54] <keke> irc://irc.abzorbed.net/abzorbed
[04:54] <tom_> if u screw it up will not boot
[04:55] <keke> irc://irc.abzorbed.net/abzorbed
[04:57] <tom_> the only thing i changed was default = 6 or somethin like that made xp boot if nothing touched
[05:04] <ohhai> I'm running Kubuntu 8.10, having compiled the latest ALSA driver, I have the input that comes to my Mic streamed directly to my headphones, with the actual system sounds/music I play being kinda muffled in the background. I was fiddling with the KMix, so maybe there's a way to fix this?
[05:06] <DarkTan> i seem to have lost my title bars and the ability to enter data in to several programs under my main desktop and my vnc desktop
[05:06] <DarkTan> how might i fix this?
[05:12] <mefisto__> DarkTan: alt-
[05:12] <mefisto__> DarkTan: alt-F2, then type: kwin --replace
[05:13] <DarkTan> crap, can't use that either, guess i'll have to reboot and see if that work
[05:14] <mefisto__> DarkTan: alt-F2 doesn't work?
[05:14] <DarkTan> it works, but i can't enter text
[05:15] <mefisto__> DarkTan: can you paste with the mouse?
[05:15] <DarkTan> not sure, i'll try that
[05:16] <DarkTan> ok that worked, thanks
[05:16] <mefisto__> DarkTan: can you enter text by typing now?
[05:17] <DarkTan> yep
[05:17] <mefisto__> hmm
[05:17] <DarkTan> and i got my title bars back
[05:22] <dedikartiwa> gfgjf
[05:30] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[05:31] <mason> Could somebody help me to install kde 4.1.4?
[05:31] <mason> I got kubuntu with kde 4.1.3, so I've never done this before...
[05:37] <mason> Could somebody help me to install kde 4.1.4?
[05:44] <mefisto__> Firefishe: did you get your menu.lst done?
[05:45] <Firefishe> mefisto__: Yeah, it's done, but I can't reboot right now to test it out. :)
[05:46] <Firefishe> mefisto__:  One thing that I'm wondering about.  If I kill the 'quiet' and leave the 'splash,' what will that do?
[05:49] <mefisto__> Firefishe: quiet is supposed to suppress some messages (with or without "splash") so "spash" without "quiet" should give you the progress bar with some messages underneath it. you could also replace "quiet" with "verbose" but I think just removing "quiet" is the same as "verbose"
[05:49] <Firefishe> mefisto__:  Thank you for that.  I'm now able to reboot and test it out.  I've always wondered how to configure this, so now is as good a time as any.
[05:50] <mason> Could somebody help me to install kde 4.1.4?
[05:50] <mason> I don't know how :'(
[05:50] <Firefishe> mefisto__:  I'll get back to you and let you know how it went.
[05:50] <Firefishe> mefisto__:  Thanks for your assistance.  Bye for now.
[05:51] <mason> Anybody...?
[05:53] <progmanos> hello
[05:55] <mason> hi
[05:55] <PseudoOne> hey :)
[05:55] <mason> Do you think you could help me out?
[05:56] <progmanos> perhaps
[05:56] <mason> How do I install a new version of kde xD
[05:56] <mason> I have no idea
[05:56] <mason> I want to get kde 4.1.4
[05:56] <mason> But I don't know how
[05:56] <PseudoOne> I have a weird "crunch" sound playing in my system periodically that I dislike.  I checked through System Notifications but it is not there, and I don't know where to look for it. What should I do to disable it?
[05:57] <progmanos> why use kde 4.1.4 when you could use 4.2 (which is more stable and feature complete)?
[05:57] <mefisto__> mason: I don't have intrepid/kde4 and I've never done this upgrade, but I could try if you're willing
[05:57] <mason> mefisto__: Sure, that'd be really cool. You'd have a better chance than me xD
[05:58] <DaSkreech> mason: what version of Kubuntu are you on?
[05:58] <progmanos> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.4
[05:58] <mason> 4.1.3
[05:58] <progmanos> enjoy
[05:58] <DaSkreech> mason: Hardy or Ibex ?
[05:59] <mason> hoold on a second I think progmanos just kicked my ass in terms of not being an idiot xD
[06:00] <progmanos> i would seriously skip 4.1.4 and upgrade to 4.2.  it's so much better
[06:00] <mason> Is it the same way to upgrade?
[06:00] <mason> Or is it harder?
[06:00] <mefisto__> progmanos: can you tell mason how to do the upgrade to 4.2?
[06:02] <progmanos> the link is in the chat header (or whatever you call it)
[06:02] <progmanos> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-rc1
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Same way
[06:02] <DaSkreech> progmanos: topic
[06:02] <POKE53281> test
[06:02] <DaSkreech> !test
[06:02] <POKE53281> GOD DAMN YOU KONVERSATION
[06:02] <ohhai> What's the best software for recording sound in Kubuntu?
[06:02] <progmanos> thanks DaSkreech
[06:03] <mason> I'm in 8.10
[06:03] <mason> Does that mean it's not compiled?
[06:03] <DaSkreech> mason: It is read the link http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-rc1
[06:04] <Anarch> ohhai: I use arecord
[06:05] <mefisto__> ohhai: what kind of recording? are you creating music? do you need to do any processing to the recording? or you just want a simple recording of what your mike picks up?
[06:06] <ohhai> mefisto__: I gotta know if my mike is working, and audacity seems not to provide the desired outcome under KDE.
[06:06] <ohhai> (Internal Laptop Mike) =)
[06:07] <mason> restarting x
[06:08] <mason> I'll be right back to find out if it worked :)
[06:08] <DaSkreech> That was a fast upgrade
[06:10] <progmanos> Ardour is pretty good, although it's probably not written using the KDE API.
[06:10] <mason> It didn't work :'(
[06:10] <mason> I'm still on 4.1
[06:11] <mefisto__> progmanos: ardour is overkill for just testing an internal mike
[06:11] <progmanos> oh, nvm
[06:11] <mefisto__> progmanos: but ardour is excellent
[06:11] <DaSkreech> mason: That sounded like a very fast upgrade. What did you do?
[06:11] <progmanos> mason: could you still me what you did?
[06:11] <progmanos> tell*
[06:11] <progmanos> lol
[06:11] <progmanos> horrible typo
[06:12] <mason> Wait, I'm gonna see the instructions I did first, just so I don't sound like an idiot if it was something stupid...
[06:12] <mason> to "Remove the koffice-data-kde4 package," do I just do sudo apt-get remove koffice-data-etc.?
[06:12] <mason> I don't think I have it, but I'm not quite sure xD
[06:13] <progmanos> yes
[06:13] <mason> Oooh
[06:13] <mason> I know what I did wrong
[06:14] <mason> Not saying though xD I'd be labeled the most idiotic imbecile here :P
[06:14] <DaSkreech> I doubt ut
[06:14] <DaSkreech> it
[06:14] <DaSkreech> We do have a bot
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Dumb bot
[06:14] <mason> By the way, what does restarting x mean?
[06:14] <mefisto__> mason: I think koffice-kde4 is what you want to remove, then sudo apt-get autoremove
[06:14] <DaSkreech> mason: Logout then press alt=E
[06:14] <mason> I know how, but what's it mean?
[06:14] <DaSkreech> alt+E
[06:15] <DaSkreech> mason: It means shutting down X and starting it back
[06:15] <mason> X?
[06:15] <mason> Umm
[06:15] <DaSkreech> !X
[06:15] <mason> Aah
[06:15] <DaSkreech> In UNIX everything is broken up into small parts
[06:15] <mason> So, restarting X would be for when I don't need to restart the entire actual computer?
[06:16] <DaSkreech> So your GUI is done by a program Which is called X
[06:16] <DaSkreech> X.org in this case
[06:16] <DaSkreech> mason: As long as it's in the GUI. Restarting X won't help your Web Server any but will give you nice fonts
[06:17] <progmanos> Will the final version of KD
[06:17] <progmanos> Will the final version of KDE 4.2 include support for Google Gadgets?
[06:17] <mason> Since K is the desktop environment, I'd only need to restart X, right?"
[06:18] <DaSkreech> mason: correct
[06:18] <DaSkreech> progmanos: yes
[06:19] <Lynoure> DaSkreech: remember my network card problem? seems it used ever so slightly older kernel and the cd itself already had also a newer one on it, so fixing the problem was easy.
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Lynoure: See? :)
[06:20] <DaSkreech> You  are aok now?
[06:21] <progmanos> mason: how's the upgrade coming along?
[06:21] <Lynoure> DaSkreech: No further help needed now, and blogged about the solution, even.
[06:22] <DaSkreech> oooh where?
[06:24] <Lynoure> DaSkreech: just my normal blog... tiny entry, http://lynoure.org/blog/index.php?/archives/297-Kubuntu-8.10-Alternative-and-P5Q-Pro-network-card.html but maybe still enough to save someone some worry
[06:24] <s0rg> hi
[06:24] <DaSkreech> hi
[06:24] <mason> DaSkreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/109688/
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Lynoure: does that mean that they have 2 kernels on the CD?
[06:25] <mason> Trying to recover...
[06:25] <DaSkreech> mason: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:25] <Lynoure> DaSkreech: -7 gets installed, -9 is there too, yes.
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Hmm thats probably a bug Lynoure
[06:27] <Lynoure> DaSkreech: I assumed something like that, as one would expect both of the install cds to have the same kernel version, kinda :)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> yeah
[06:28] <Ratchet> hey all
[06:28] <DaSkreech> !hi
[06:29] <Guest69708> im told that i need to replace pulse audo with E-sound to make second life voice work., how would i go this?
[06:29] <mason> I think it's done.
[06:29] <mason> I'm gonna try again now
[06:29] <Guest69708> odd i could have swoen i typed the work about after go XD
[06:29] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:30] <progmanos> mason: if that didn't work, i know this  will... http://shreevatsa.wordpress.com/2006/04/16/dpkg-error-trying-to-overwrite-x-which-is-also-in-package-y/
[06:31] <Ratchet_the_fox> im told that i need to replace pulse audio with E-sound to make second life voice work. how would i go about doingthis?
[06:32] <mason> DaSkreech: I'm in 4.2!
[06:32] <progmanos> nice
[06:33] <mason> Sorry to sound ignorant and all, but WHY is 4.2 better? I like the theme :)
[06:35] <mefisto__> it's 0.06 more than 4.14
[06:35] <mason> mefisto__: Woah! You're right! Man, this 4.2 kde is ze shitz!
[06:36] <mason> xD
[06:36] <progmanos> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2-beta2.php
[06:36] <progmanos> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2-rc.php
[06:38] <progmanos> "For the 4.2 release, the KDE team has fixed literally thousands of bugs and has implemented dozens of features that were missing until now in KDE 4.2."
[06:38] <mefisto__> is there a ppa for 4.2 for hardy?
[06:39] <s0rg> Hi eveeryone
[06:41] <mason> My desktop just totally bugged out on me.
[06:41] <stdin> mefisto__: not for hardy
[06:43] <mefisto__> what about a kde3 ppa for intrepid?
[06:45] <progmanos> mason: what happened to your desktop?
[06:45] <mason> progmanos: Oh, it fixed after I logged out. It was just a grey screen.
[06:46] <Ratchet_the_fox> im told that i need to replace pulse audio with E-sound to make second life voice work. how would i go about doingthis?
[06:48] <progmanos> mefisto__ : according to a commenter in reddit, the hardy packages will be ready for the official 4.2 release
[06:48] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: No PPA for hardy
[06:48] <progmanos> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/7s35b/fyi_kde_42_is_much_better_than_kde_41/?sort=controversial
[06:48] <DaSkreech> mefisto__: KDe 3 PPA for ibex exists
[06:49] <progmanos> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/7s35b/fyi_kde_42_is_much_better_than_kde_41/c079dgm
[06:49] <progmanos> link the actual comment (reddit is cool!)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> mason: What's going on?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> hi jono
[06:51] <mason> Huh?
[06:51] <mason> Nothing.
[06:51] <progmanos> mason: try lancelot for your menu
[06:51] <jono> hey DaSkreech
[06:51] <mason> Progamanos: What?
[06:52] <Lynoure> Seems I have more questions: I created the Private encrypted directory during installation, but cannot see it anywhere. Where could it be?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> mason: you got 4.2 ?
[06:53] <mason> DaSkreech: Yep.
[06:53] <DaSkreech> k
[06:53] <DaSkreech> night
[06:54] <progmanos> mason: lancelot is a new menu that's based on a no-click interface
[06:55] <mason> progmanos: is it apt-getable?
[06:55] <mason> nope...
[06:56] <progmanos> it's part of kde 4.2
[06:57] <progmanos> just add the widget to your panel
[06:58] <mason> progmanos: Woeh
[06:58] <mason> it's wierd xD
[06:59] <mason> I'm not used to it and I think I just accidentally opened about three things...
[07:00] <progmanos> you can change the settings.  right click the menu icon
[07:01] <progmanos> and the go to Lancelot Launcher Settings
[07:07] <mason> progmanos: How do I get the  temperature system monitor to work?
[07:07] <patmanpato> im finding kde 4.1 quite slow on my machine, and a friend suggested i upgrade my nvidia drivers from 177.82 to 180.22, is there an easy way to do this?
[07:08] <leon> !wubi
[07:08] <leon> hi all
[07:09] <leon> need some help.
[07:09] <mason> hi
[07:09] <leon> i'm using wubi and its installed to a diffrent partition than my WOW install.
[07:10] <leon> is it posible to mount the other partions
[07:11] <leon> ?
[07:11] <progmanos> yes
[07:11] <leon> how, if i may ask?
[07:12] <mason> progmanos: Something messed up...
[07:12] <leon> !mount
[07:13] <mason> Is this the same as 4.1 where, if I log out with ctrl atl backspace, I'll lose all my updated desktop settings?
[07:14] <progmanos> i don't think so
[07:14] <mason> I'm gonna try it
[07:14] <progmanos> why are you "logging out" with ctrl alt backspace?
[07:14] <leon> progmanos: how disks and filesystem is nowhere to be found.
[07:17] <progmanos> http://www.goitexpert.com/entry.cfm?entry=Automount-NTFS-Drive-in-UBUNTU
[07:17] <progmanos> do you know which drive is slave or master?
[07:18] <progmanos> do you have sata?
[07:18] <mason> Sooo
[07:18] <leon> its a sata in a laptop
[07:18] <leon> only one harddrive
[07:18] <mason> Does anyone know how I can get the System Moonitor for the temperature working?
[07:22] <progmanos> leon: create a pastebin link using http://paste.ubuntu.com and post the output of fdisk -l
[07:23] <leon>  wanna kick? Cannot open /dev/sda
[07:23] <leon> ;; ;
[07:23] <leon> >.<
[07:23] <leon> but i know its the second partion on the first disk.
[07:24] <leon> that help?
[07:24] <progmanos> sorry, sudo fdisk -l
[07:27] <mason> progmanos: How do I get myself to login as root?
[07:27] <OxDeadC0de> mason you don't want to login as root, just use sudo
[07:27] <progmanos> to KDE as root?
[07:28] <progmanos> i don't recommend it
[07:28] <progmanos> follow OxDeadC0de's advice
[07:28] <mason> hmm
[07:28] <mason> I need to get the hddtemp dameon to work (or something.... I'm pretty lost)
[07:28] <OxDeadC0de> mason sudo apt-get install httpd
[07:29] <mason> E: Package httpd has no installation candidate
[07:29] <OxDeadC0de> sry, apt-get install apache2 .. if you want php, and mysql you may want to look into setting up an ubuntu LAMP
[07:30] <OxDeadC0de> there's a program already on ubuntu i forget what it's called though that lets you install everything for apache/php/mysql with a single press of return
[07:31] <OxDeadC0de> and mason, get used to "aptitude search some-program" (or use kpackage or adept depending on if you're in 4.2 or 4.1 respectively) (with some-program replaced with apache, mp3, whatever..)
[07:31] <progmanos> lamp-server
[07:31] <progmanos> it's under tasks in aptitude
[07:32] <OxDeadC0de> I like aptitude :P
[07:33] <mason> There's a serach option? woeh I had no idea xD
[07:33] <mason> This makes things...
[07:33] <mason> somewhat easier
[07:33] <OxDeadC0de> way easy for me :P
[07:33] <progmanos> yeah, aptitude rocks
[07:34] <OxDeadC0de> lot better than going to some website, find the downloads page, navigate through ad's etc, finally get the archive, download it, clck open, walk through install process
[07:34] <OxDeadC0de> move on to next
[07:35] <progmanos> for some reason, synaptic, adept, and smartpm refuse to show realplayer (and certain other packages) as available for installation but aptitude does!
[07:35] <mason> I'm getting pidgin xD I honestly do NOT like kopete
[07:36] <OxDeadC0de> odd, for me synaptic always shows everything, don't use adept much except for updates sometimes (but in 4.2 it's gone replaced with kpackage i think)
[07:36] <OxDeadC0de> lachniet? can't be.. can it?
[07:37] <progmanos> i still have adept with 4.2
[07:37] <OxDeadC0de> oh hmm, nvr mind then
[07:37] <stdin> kpackagekit is the plan
[07:38] <stdin> but it's under review currently
[07:38] <patmanpato> i just installed kde 4.1 on my ubuntu8.10, now i hear 4.2 is coming out in the next few days... is it likely to be easy to update ?
[07:38] <stdin> patmanpato: yes, probably available in intrepid-backports
[07:38] <OxDeadC0de> patmanpato yes and by me a very recommended update (I'm nobody though, i don't work for ubuntu or anything)
[07:38] <patmanpato> awesome :)
[07:39] <patmanpato> im already in love with kde 4.1 after 30 mins
[07:40] <patmanpato> it was interesting that upgrading from nvidia 177 to the 180 driver made a *massive* difference in kde 4.1
[07:40] <OxDeadC0de> it kind of reminds me of windows in a way :| sad to say that, but I mean by all the bugs in it but it's still alright to use (4.1 that is.. 4.2 will have less bugs but I already know of a few that are being worked on or fixed and lots of untested stuff)
[07:41] <patmanpato> well it was a massive massive leap from 3.5 to 4, so i'm guessing the kde team are doing alright considering the circumstances
[07:42] <patmanpato> and considering microsoft has a lotttt of money to fund development :P
[07:42] <OxDeadC0de> oh yea I have nothing bad to say about the devel team at all, I like em :P, just wish QT and all the apps were put through the ringer a bit more stringently (valgrind etc)
[07:42] <OxDeadC0de> before calling it a release
[07:43] <Lynoure> After installing there was a Restricted driver thingy asking me if I want one. I closed it. How can I get it back?
[07:43] <patmanpato> i guess so :-)
[07:43] <stdin> QT is Quick Time, Qt is the too kit
[07:43] <OxDeadC0de> sorry, I should know that as I've been writing QGraphicsBlah a lot lately
[07:43] <stdin> and Qt is put through QA before release, by Trolltech/Nokia
[07:43] <patmanpato> is Qt pronounced "cutie" or "cute" ?
[07:43] <OxDeadC0de> "cute"
[07:43] <stdin> cute
[07:44] <patmanpato> oh ok, ill keep it in mind so i dont sound like an idiot when talking about it :p
[07:44] <OxDeadC0de> I'm sure they do, but i've already come acrossed numerous issues with variables being used in it under conditational circumstances without being initialized
[07:45] <stdin> OxDeadC0de: in Qt code? where?
[07:45] <OxDeadC0de> stdin mostly in their buggy qgraphics stuff
[07:45] <OxDeadC0de> stdin can make valgrind logs easily enough
[07:45] <stdin> valgrind isn't completely reliable
[07:45] <OxDeadC0de> but I'm not using trunk so I won't bug them, because it may have been fixed
[07:46] <stdin> but I think the QGraphics* stuff is begin developed more recently
[07:46] <OxDeadC0de> it's no secret qgrahpics stuff is buggy :P, and that's what plasma is
[07:46] <stdin> still, better than working in C code
[07:46] <OxDeadC0de> yeah, and 4.5 will ROCK!!!
[07:47] <OxDeadC0de> I can't get over it, the plasmoid I made for fun will be able to play youtube and other junk then
[07:47] <Lynoure> How do I open Restricted Drivers Manager in Kubuntu, or is there no such thing?
[07:47] <OxDeadC0de> Lynoure jockey-kde
[07:48] <stdin> KMenu -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[07:49] <progmanos> stdin: and gdb doesn't support reversible debugging yet
[07:49] <progmanos> http://sourceware.org/gdb/news/reversible.html
[07:49] <Lynoure> hmm, seems I cannot contact the xserver right now... better wait till the rsync ends, and fix that first
[07:50] <mason> What's the apt-get command to reinstall?
[07:50] <Lynoure> I think the rsync override my .Xauthority , as I did not think of that early enough.
[07:51] <stdin> mason: apt-get --reinstall install <package>
[07:52] <mason> stdin: Exactly like that?
[07:53] <stdin> mason: replacing "<package>" with the package you want to reinstall
[07:53] <mason> I know
[07:54] <mason> apt-get--reinstall install kopete doesn't work...
[07:54] <stdin> with sudo?
[07:54] <stdin> sudo apt-get --reinstall install kopete
[08:33] <mefisto__> why did they name it awesome? it's such an overused word these days, it makes it very difficult to google it
[08:50] <toki> hey guys  would anyone know why i cant find "screens and graphics" in my options for main menu in 8.10
[08:51] <afdal> allow ....
[08:51] <afdal> helllowwww
[08:51] <afdal> :D
[09:04] <afdal> allow
[09:04] <afdal> allow
[09:04] <afdal> allow
[09:04] <afdal> allow
[09:04] <stdin> please stop that
[09:09] <oobe> afdal, allow to you to
[09:26] <mjbrooks> Is there a downgrade option to KDE 3.5? I'm getting tired of the bugs
[09:52] <jillsmitt> i want to try create a programm with a graphical user interface in kubuntu 804 what can i use for it? what kind tools i have?
[09:58] <Lynoure> I tried to use jockey-kde for activating the Ati proprietary driver, but it just would not activate it (kept showing it as not activated), does that mean a manual install is needed?
[10:16] <noaXess> is there any kde4 tool that automatily disable/enable desktop effects if in battery/no battery mode?.. powermanager doe only dim my monitor..
[10:17] <noaXess> or is there any other tool like powermanager that can disable desktop effects on battery mode?
[10:19] <mefisto__> can anyone give me a clue about awesome, or point me to a howto somewhere?
[10:19] <Lynoure> What _is_ awesome?
[10:19] <mefisto__> a desktop environment
[10:20] <mefisto__> or is it a window manager?
[10:20] <mefisto__> whatever, it's an alternative to kde, gnome, xfce, etc
[10:21] <noaXess> !info awesome | mefisto__
[10:21] <jillsmitt> what ER modellers are actuil today (i am on kubuntu804)
[10:22] <jillsmitt> ?
[10:22] <mefisto__> noaXess: do you know how to use it?
[10:22] <noaXess> mefisto__: no..
[10:23] <noaXess> i'm searching for a laptop tool that automatically disable desktop effects on battery mode..
[10:37] <william> Hallo,
[10:38] <william> kann mir bitte jemand sagen welchen HD manager zum Mounten von NTFS laufwerken ich in Kubuntu 8.10 nutzen kann
[10:39] <SlimeyPete> !german
[10:39] <william> sorry not a problem
[10:40] <SlimeyPete> :)
[10:40] <william> could someone please advise which disk manager I can use in Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4
[10:40] <william> I can't mount my NTFS drives.
[10:41] <noaXess> !info ntfs
[10:41] <noaXess> !ntfs
[10:41] <noaXess> !ntfs | william
[10:41] <william> is there some prog like in KDE3.5
[10:43] <noaXess> william: hm.. normaly if the ntfs-3g tools are installed, you should only connect it and see it in dolphin
[10:47] <arezey> is there a way to retrieve the kde3 kcontrol?
[10:48] <william> noaXass: there is my problem I don't use dolphine I use crusader.
[10:49] <william> I'd like to mound the drive so that it can be accessed from any browser
[10:49] <rjb> I want a user who exceeds some limit of idle time while logged in to be automatically logged out, is there some simple way to implement that?
[10:50] <rjb> BTW i mean (text-mode) remote logins via ssh, not window system login
[10:55] <RurouniJones> ssh does have timeouts
[10:58] <rjb> RurouniJones: I'm sorry, I can't find anything pertinent in man sshd_config
[10:58] <rjb> perhaps you can recall what the option was?
[10:59] <RurouniJones> ClientAliveInterval
[11:00] <RurouniJones> Google and ye shall receive
[11:00] <RurouniJones> ALso TCPKeepAlive might be of interest
[11:00] <rjb> I don't think that does what I want, though
[11:02] <RurouniJones> ClientAliveInterval and ClientAliveCountMax are what you are after
[11:02] <rjb> iirc it's for checking whether the network connection is alive
[11:03] <rjb> not about the user forgetting to log out
[11:04] <rjb> (IIUC, even;-)
[11:05] <jillsmitt> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[11:05] <jillsmitt> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:05] <jillsmitt> what can i do?
[11:05] <jillsmitt> (Kdevelop)
[11:09] <rjb> (BTW it seems like the `autolog' package may have a solution)
[11:12] <rjb> (`timeoutd' also seems promising)
[11:21] <dmmainou> hi guys, I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers from terminal and says I need the libc header and the precompiled kernell. can anyone point me int which apt get ... thing I heed thanks...
[11:25] <dmmainou> HI can someone help me to install the nvidia restricted drivers in terminal..... I have a blank screen
[11:26] <dapper-daniel> you can install nvidia-180-kdernel-source via apt or aptitude
[11:26] <dapper-daniel> it should bild the drivers for you
[11:27] <SlimeyPete> or you can just install one of the nvidia-glx binary packages
[11:28] <dmmainou> Ok so 'sudo apt-get nvidia-kdernel-source' ?
[11:28] <dapper-daniel> the version number is important
[11:28] <dapper-daniel> wait a second...
[11:28] <dapper-daniel> nvidia-glx-177
[11:28] <dapper-daniel> -173 or -180
[11:28] <dapper-daniel> or -96
[11:29] <dapper-daniel> this should then also install the right nvidia-kernel-source
[11:30] <dmmainou> sudo  apt-get  nvidia-glx-177.80.22 ??? By the way I'm installing K 7.1 64 bit...
[11:31] <dapper-daniel> i'm not sure about the .80.22
[11:31] <dapper-daniel> try both with .80.22 and if you get an error try without
[11:32] <dmmainou> I'll try 'sudo apt-get nvidia-glx-177'
[11:32] <dapper-daniel> looks good
[11:32] <jussi01> youll need an "install" in there...
[11:32] <dapper-daniel> oh
[11:33] <dapper-daniel> right apt-get install ...
[11:33] <dmmainou> cant find the package
[11:34] <dmmainou> found it .....  sudo apt-get nvidia-glx-new
[11:34] <dapper-daniel> so now to my problems with nividia:
[11:34] <dmmainou> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:35] <dmmainou> do I need to do anything else when it finishes?
[11:35] <dapper-daniel> which drivers work with xen 3.3 and kernel 2.6.17.5?
[11:35] <dapper-daniel> 180 an 96 give me just black screens
[11:35] <dapper-daniel> compiling works fine
[11:35] <dapper-daniel> and i'm also able to load the module
[11:36] <dapper-daniel> but xorg then just shows a black screen
[11:36] <dapper-daniel> any ideas?
[11:37] <dmmainou> yes ... same problem...
[11:38] <dmmainou> no ... If I install 8.1 it works briliantly but the bloody pvr I want to un only works in 7.1 at the moment.
[11:40] <dapper-daniel> dmmainou: whats your problem?
[11:45] <dmmainou> I want to install linuxmce which runs in 7.1 there is only an alpha version for 8.1.
[11:46] <dmmainou> I think I will try mythbuntu and try to install Asterisk in parallel.... but I don't knw if one will crash the other....
[11:46] <dmmainou> don't have enough knowledge.
[11:46] <dapper-daniel> and what does not work with the nividia drivers?
[11:47] <dmmainou> Asus p5n7a-vm when I install 7.1 I have a blank screen ... just cant boot unless it is in recovery mode.
[11:48] <dmmainou> thus trying to install the drivers from terminal
[11:48] <dapper-daniel> do you use "nivida" in /etc/X11/xorg
[11:48] <dmmainou> I've tried both alternate cd's (64 &32) and both live cd's .
[11:49] <dmmainou> I'm not sure what you mean....
[11:49] <dapper-daniel> so you cant even install?
[11:49] <jussi01> dmmainou: linuxmce has different repositories than us, we dont support it.
[11:49] <jussi01> !linuxmce
[11:49] <dmmainou> ok at this point in time I have NOT installed linuxmce
[11:50] <dmmainou> I'm just trying to install 7.1
[11:50] <dapper-daniel> and the live cd does not work right?
[11:50] <dmmainou> the live cd works fine once I install it goes to a blank screen
[11:50] <dapper-daniel> ok ok
[11:50] <dmmainou> I presume it is the nvidia drivers....
[11:51] <dapper-daniel> so you tried to install the nividia drivers
[11:51] <dapper-daniel> you have to change the config for X
[11:51] <dmmainou> yes through apt get and through compiling with no joy.
[11:51] <dapper-daniel> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[11:51] <dapper-daniel> there is a section drivers
[11:51] <dmmainou> guys... 1 q.
[11:52] <dapper-daniel> I think the problem is just that you have to tell Xorg to use the drivers
[11:52] <dapper-daniel> thats all
[11:53] <dapper-daniel> have you ever worked with nano (a small editor)?
[11:53] <dmmainou> ok let me try to reboot the thing again...
[11:53] <dapper-daniel> first you have to change the config!
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> there's a script included in the nvidia-glx packages
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> nvidia-config or nvidia-setup IIRC
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> though in theory xorg should just auto-detect now
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> (on Intrepid)
[11:55] <dapper-daniel> dmmainou: are you still here?
[11:56] <dmmainou> hi yes... the computers are on different rooms
[11:56] <dapper-daniel> ok so edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <dapper-daniel> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:57] <dmmainou> what do I change there
[11:57] <dapper-daniel> Section "DeviCE"
[11:57] <dapper-daniel> driver should be "nvidia"
[11:57] <dapper-daniel> not "nv" or "vesa"
[11:58] <dapper-daniel> change this and exit with Crtl+X
[11:58] <dapper-daniel> save changes Y
[11:58] <dapper-daniel> and then just hit ENTER
[11:59] <dapper-daniel> done?
[11:59] <dmmainou> ok it does say nvidia
[11:59] <dmmainou> done
[11:59] <dapper-daniel> it already did say nvidia?
[11:59] <dapper-daniel> or did you changed it?
[12:00] <dmmainou> it already said... tried startx and said no screens found. could it be that it's sending the display to the HDMA/DVI port rather than the vga?
[12:01] <juacom99> can anyone please help me, i'm new to KDE 4 and a have a porblem
[12:01] <dapper-daniel> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:01] <dapper-daniel> and seach for Errors (EE)
[12:01] <dmmainou> ...failed to initialize Nvidia Kernel module...
[12:02] <dapper-daniel> ok what you can do to at least get Xorg running is change the driver to "nv"
[12:02] <ubuntu> hi all, can i boot the live cd from my hard?
[12:03] <ubuntu> without using cd
[12:04] <dapper-daniel> dmmainou: something went wrong during the install
[12:05] <adrian_> ubuntu and how do you want to do that?
[12:05] <dmmainou> nothing seemed to go wrong on install
[12:05] <dapper-daniel> ok try sudo modbrobe nvidia
[12:05] <dapper-daniel> modprobe sorry
[12:05] <dmmainou> well yes ... one of he nic cards was not recognized... but that's it
[12:05] <hayig2000> can i do that?
[12:06] <dmmainou> done  no responce
[12:06] <dapper-daniel> good
[12:06] <dapper-daniel> try startx again
[12:06] <dmmainou> done 1 error EE nodevices detected
[12:06] <hayig2000> changed my nickname
[12:06] <dmmainou> no screens founs
[12:07] <dapper-daniel> are you sure you have a nvidia card?
[12:07] <dmmainou> yep.
[12:07] <hayig2000> adrian_, can i do that?
[12:07] <dmmainou> I think I'll pass on mce ... have you used mythbuntu?
[12:08] <dapper-daniel> nope... i just installed mythtv on ubuntu
[12:09] <adrian_> hayig2000: well nope.
[12:09] <dmmainou> ok .... can I run myth tv and asterisk at the same time without crashing each other?
[12:10] <dmmainou> I just want to manage my voip (been using trixbox) and my media in one box
[12:10] <adrian_> hayig2000: but... You might be interested in one thing. Brb let me look
[12:10] <dapper-daniel> should work i think
[12:11] <adrian_> hayig2000: VMware Workstation Google for it, might fit your needs instead of doing magic
[12:11] <dapper-daniel> for example i have xen mythtv samba and ftp server running on one server
[12:11] <dmmainou> I've been using ubuntu for 3 months thats it.... not very experienced.... I haven't turned on my vista machine in 3 months yeeeey
[12:11] <hayig2000> ok thanks for help
[12:12] <dmmainou> ok that sounds lik me..... is it a server installation or a desktop plus packages.....
[12:12] <juacom99> can anyone please help me, i'm new to KDE 4 and a have a porblem
[12:12] <juacom99> i delet the kmenu panel
[12:13] <jussi01> juacom99: the whole panel? or just the kmenu?
[12:13] <dmmainou> juacom99 ... right click add pannel
[12:13] <juacom99> the hole pannel
[12:13] <juacom99> i did that
[12:14] <juacom99> dmmainou but the panel i get is in the top up section of my screen
[12:14] <juacom99> and i can't get it down
[12:14] <juacom99> *drag
[12:15] <dmmainou> doesn't matter then add the widgets you want... and then dragg it to wherever you want
[12:15] <dmmainou> unlock it
[12:15] <juacom99> is undragable :S
[12:15] <juacom99> is unlockd
[12:16] <hayig2000> adrian_, i was thinking about copying the conteants of the live cd to my hard, then set the grub kernal and initrd commandss
[12:17] <dmmainou> dapper danniel> hey mate are there any weird things I should know to install mythtv?
[12:17] <juacom99> *unlocked
[12:17] <hayig2000> i did that but it stops at : waiting for root system
[12:17] <juacom99> but stell i can't drag it
[12:17] <adrian_> hayig2000: why would you want to do that for? is it a cafe pc or so?
[12:18] <hayig2000> the cd is slower than hard
[12:18] <morgan_> nessuno italiano?
[12:18] <hayig2000> and i want to save my work if possible
[12:18] <adrian_> so you can't just install it normally on the drive?
[12:18] <dmmainou> add your widgets and gett the k menu et all dragging it down is the smaller part
[12:19] <hayig2000> i can, but i am looking for the rescue system
[12:19] <adrian_> hmmmmm
[12:19] <socram> hola
[12:19] <adrian_> hayig2000: try then "rescue linux distros"
[12:20] <socram> soy nuevo en el kubuntu este
[12:20] <socram> merece la pena o me recomendais otro en base linuz
[12:20] <hayig2000> googe rescue linux distros?
[12:21] <adrian_> i did send you a link thous are distros
[12:21] <adrian_> that weights 10-20mb
[12:21] <adrian_> they load fast
[12:21] <juacom99> dmmainou: ok but i don't have a panel to add them to
[12:21] <adrian_> and have lots of tools
[12:21] <dmmainou> socram... ubuntu o kubuntu funcinonan a toda madre....
[12:21] <dmmainou> juacom right click add panel... even if it shows in the top part
[12:22] <hayig2000> adrian_,link?
[12:22] <adrian_> you got it on your private
[12:22] <adrian_> ?
[12:23] <juacom99> i got a pannel in the top part
[12:23] <hayig2000> yes thanks
[12:23] <juacom99> woth all the widgets
[12:23] <adrian_> try googling for the resuce disc that fits your needs hayig2000
[12:23] <juacom99> what next?
[12:23] <juacom99> *with
[12:25] <socram> gracias lo malo es para instalar el gamba me hago la picha un lio
[12:27] <dmmainou> no te entendi,,,,
[12:27] <socram> mañana pregunto que devo ir a trabajar
[12:27] <socram> gracias
[12:28] <juacom99> dmmainou: hablas español O.o
[12:29] <dmmainou> yes
[12:29] <dmmainou> si
[12:29] <dmmainou>  perdon
[12:29] <juacom99> ja ja ja y yo hablandote en ingles XD
[12:29] <dmmainou> no importa clickderacho add pannel
[12:30] <dmmainou> aunque este arriva agregale los widgets que necesits....
[12:31] <juacom99> si eso ya esta echo
[12:31] <dmmainou> luego vez como le haces para arrastrarlo....
[12:31] <juacom99> ese es el porblema
[12:31] <juacom99> todo eso que me dices lo tengo echo desde ayer
[12:31] <juacom99> pero no logro arastrarla
[12:32] <dmmainou> ok pannel settings
[12:32] <dmmainou> right click pannel settings
[12:32] <dmmainou> se va a hacer grande...
[12:32] <dmmainou> arrastralo
[12:33] <dmmainou> luego cierras los settings
[12:33] <dmmainou> ya.
[12:33] <Adola> !es
[12:33] <juacom99> ok ya pruebo
[12:34] <dmmainou> gracias ubott.... gracias por eso..... solo salio que los dos hablebamos espanol....
[12:34] <dmmainou> happy to talk english
[12:34] <Adola> This is an english channel
[12:34] <Dr_willis> ubottu,  is a bot. :)
[12:34] <Dr_willis> ee
[12:34] <Dr_willis> see
[12:35] <Hellow> And you /really/ think that spanish-speaking people are going to understand us saying "This is an english channel"?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> Hellow,  they seem to assume often that when i say ' No Hoblo'  that i CAN speak spanish......
[12:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:35] <Hellow> lol
[12:36] <Adola> No, but someone knew.  This is not a general discussion channel >.> Use #kubuntu-offtopic for that :)
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:37] <dmmainou> mate .... live in Oz these days a bit of spanglish once a blue moon should be ok.... its K related...
[12:37] <dmmainou> anyway have mooved the conv to a private channel
[12:42] <cjae> how come I can't install opera
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> !opera
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> cjae: opera rocks in ubuntu
[12:44] <cjae>   its not listed anywhere in adept and cannot insall from command line either
[12:44] <Dr_willis> Opera i in the 3rd party/assoicates repository
[12:44] <Dr_willis> or go get it from the oprea web site
[12:44] <wesley_> ive created a live usb, but i get boot error, someone knows how to solve this ?
[12:45] <Dr_willis> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
[12:45] <Dr_willis> ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is
[12:45] <Dr_willis> Partner repos have Opra - i belive. :)
[12:45] <cjae> well I would like to keep my kde install as gnome free as possible that's why I am opting for opera over firefox
[12:45] <Dr_willis> wesley_,  it will totally depend on the error
[12:46] <Dr_willis> I finmd theres too many good gnome and kde apps to Limit myself to one or the other.
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> cjae: i just find it a better browser than firefox, its a shame loads of websites dont like it
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> cjae: you could always install firepup, it runs in its own little folder and is snappy and doesnt need the gnome rubbish
[12:47] <wesley_> Dr_willis, the error says :Boot error
[12:48] <juacom99> is there any web to download more widgets for kde 4?
[12:48] <Dr_willis> wesley_,  sounds like the boot loader is either not installed right.. or confogured right..  thtas just one step beyond an error message saying "its broke' :)
[12:49] <wesley_> strange, either way, gues should try create a live usb from a ubuntu live cd, because i cant believe the memory stick is broken
[12:50] <cjae> is it because I have  kde 4.2 that opera is not availiable because I  have had all the repo's enabled for wuite some time
[12:50] <wesley_> ive being creating them with usb-creator, worked, but till my little brother had the stick i needed to recreate it
[12:51] <cjae> how do I make irc text bigger in konversation
[12:51] <Dr_willis> wesley_,  some times it can be an annoyance gettting the usb sticks bootable .
[12:52] <Dr_willis> wesley_,  you may want to tyr the 'unetbootin' tool also
[12:52] <wesley_> should see what that does
[12:53] <Dr_willis> I built my own '4 disrto' bootable thumb drive the other day. :) Ive learned a lot about syslinux
[12:53] <Dr_willis> but im not sure what tool to boot the ubuntu boot usb thing uses.
[12:53] <Dr_willis> YOu coul try manually setting up syslinux on the thumbdrive
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> !usb | wesley_
[12:54] <wesley_> Dr_willis the strange thing is, ive used with succes usb-creator
[12:54] <Dr_willis> wesley_,  so have i  and often the issue is getting the thumbdrive bootable the first time
[12:54] <juacom99> cjae: get in Preferences->Konversation configuration
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Ive had to manually run syslinux on a few of them after using that tool
[12:54] <juacom99> cjae: go to font type
[12:55] <juacom99> the firs one is the chat text
[12:55] <juacom99> click in de checkbox
[12:55] <juacom99> and click on the button
[12:56] <wesley_> Dr_willis, i should try that to, because i need a live usb
[12:57] <Dr_willis> Usage: syslinux [-sfr][-d directory][-o offset] device
[12:57] <cjae> juacom99: thanks kindly
[12:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:59] <juacom99> np
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> cjae: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=2747
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> oops wrong channel
[13:03] <cjae> he he
[13:03] <RurouniJones> OO USER! GET IM!
[13:03]  * RurouniJones grabs pitchforks and flaming torches
[13:03] <cjae> RurouniJones: what wrong with OO
[13:04] <Dr_willis> OOoo00
[13:04] <Dr_willis> too many o's
[13:04] <RurouniJones> Nothing, I just felt that since ActionParsnip appeared to have a moment of weakness we should capitalise
[13:04] <cjae> besides having to agree to some crappy licence terms, I love that Sun is destrying MS cash cow
[13:05] <cjae> ROFL
[13:05] <Dr_willis> the "We still havent learned our lesson about annoying EULA  Elua" :)
[13:05] <RurouniJones> I have also heard horror stories from the deep regarding the OOo codebase but I choose to remain in blissful ignorance
[13:06] <Dr_willis> Aparently kde4 and OOoo3 has issues. :)
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> RurouniJones: huh?
[13:07] <RurouniJones> Nothing, just using you as comedy foil for my award winning routine *cough*
[13:07] <Dr_willis> "Its the ActionParsnip  and RurouniJones  Show!"
[13:08] <RurouniJones> Well when there (unusuall) no people screaming for help we gotta pass the time somehow
[13:08] <RurouniJones> and god knows I don't do it by doing my homework
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> oh thats cool B)
[13:08]  * ActionParsnip passes an award for "best comedy ever" to RurouniJones
[13:09] <wesley_> Dr_willes the usb stick got to flags: boot and lba
[13:09] <Dr_willis> wesley_,  and is it using syslinux or grub to boot?
[13:10] <wesley_> there are syslinux maps
[13:10] <Dr_willis> check that syslinux.cfg exists and try reinztalling syslinux on the thing
[13:11] <Dr_willis> Usage: sudo syslinux  /dev/device
[13:11] <wesley_> does it install it then?
[13:11] <Dr_willis> that will make sure syslinux is installed
[13:12] <Dr_willis> your error 'Boot Error' sort of tells me that some how theres nobootloader on the device
[13:13] <wesley_> can be, i almost bought a new usb stick from 16 gb for 20 euro, but i though i should fix that 1 gb thing
[13:15] <juacom99> someone knows some web where i can download widgets for kde 4?
[13:16] <Dr_willis> kde-look.org would be first place i would look
[13:16] <juacom99> i already look there
[13:16] <juacom99> but ther's so few :S
[13:16] <Dr_willis> then i guess its to the GOOGLE...
[13:16] <juacom99> i google too
[13:16] <Dr_willis> Im not suprised that thers  so few
[13:17] <juacom99> why?
[13:17] <DexterF> hi
[13:17] <juacom99> is not that new :S
[13:17] <juacom99> hi DexterF
[13:17] <Dr_willis> Becaus ekde4 is very much  'new' and  a work in progress
[13:17] <DexterF> need debug symbols for kmail. what do i need to install?
[13:18] <juacom99> it got like 4 month now dosn't it?
[13:19] <Dr_willis> and 4 mo is still 'new'
[13:20] <juacom99> well yes..
[13:41] <deia> bom dia a todos
[13:51] <DexterF> !bugs
[13:54] <Dr_willis> !spiders
[13:54] <blu> I'm lookin' for yes man
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> !roaches
[13:57] <jessie> !bored
[13:58] <jessie> !kde
[13:58] <Pici> !offtopic
[13:58] <Pici> !botabuse
[14:12] <shadowhywind> hay all, having an issue. When ever i have kaffiene try to open anything (avi,mkv,mp3) it closes. Nothing gets reported on the console
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> shadowhywind: does it happen with other media players?
[14:24] <demarco> help. i run ubuntu 8.10 and my ATI Radeon 9600 will not recognize. Stuck in 800x600
[14:28] <shadowhywind> ActionParsnip: mplayer seams to play ok, I think i might know the issue, my user was not part of the video group
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> shadowhywind: hmm, strange how you didnt get any permission errors in terminal when you launched it there
[14:37] <DaSkreech> Yo
[14:39] <demarco> is there a command to default your video settings?
[14:42] <wesley_> Dr_willes still here ?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> demarco: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> demarco: use that to default the x server settings ( mouse, keyboard, display )
[14:56] <demarco> back. running your suggestion
[14:58] <ubuntu> ηελλο
[15:02] <DaSkreech> !ru  | ubuntu
[15:02] <jussi01> !gr | ubuntu
[15:03] <jussi01> hostmask DaSkreech :D
[15:03] <DaSkreech> Bah
[15:03] <DaSkreech> I just woke up give me a break
[15:04]  * DaSkreech mumbles and goes for breakfast
[15:04] <jussi01> heh
[15:05] <demarco> ActionParsnip: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" only handles my keyboard on its menu screens
[15:06] <demarco> ActionParsnip: is there a more specific command to target video?
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> demarco: that command will default the video driver and settings too
[15:10] <demarco> ActionParsnip: should i restart to see the change?
[15:10] <khalidmian> can one get kubuntu jaunty via adept?
[15:10] <khalidmian> or sudo?
[15:13] <khalidmian> or does one have to dl the iso and burn it to dvd/cd and reinstall kubuntu
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> demarco: might help
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | khalidmian
[15:17] <khalidmian> ubottu: do u recommend installing jaunty ? after all im in intrepid ibex which is not a LTS
[15:17] <SDFE> !intelligence
[15:25] <tyler_d1> so I created a directory /media/SHARE on the client machine, and installed sshfs on the host machine. When I do sshfs user@host:/path/to/mount /media/SHARE on the client machine I am unable to browse to this share ??
[15:29] <DaSkreech> tyler_d1: huh?
[15:29] <blahjake> tyler_d1: are you running sshfs with sudo?
[15:30] <blahjake> tyler_d1: if so, try adding: -o allow_others=true
[15:31] <luis__> hello guys good morning
[15:44] <luis__>  i like to ask for your help, i got a pc del pentium III is old, anyway, the thing is that it was working just fine but now everytime i turn it on appears this: Memory write/read failure at 097E5008, read 7917EA5 expecting 7E917E91 Decreasing available memory Diskette drive 1 seek failure Primary hard disk drive 1 not found Strike the F1 key to continue, F2 to run the setup utility
[15:44] <luis__> and if i hit F1 nothing happens
[15:44] <afeijo> hey guys
[15:44] <afeijo> how can I disable a user thru shell?
[15:44] <luis__> can somebody help me pls???
[15:46] <DaSkreech> luis__: This is before boot up?
[15:46] <DaSkreech> afeijo: disable the password?
[15:46] <luis__> no this is when i boot up
[15:46] <afeijo> DaSkreech: yes
[15:46] <luis__> never get to see nythng but that
[15:47] <luis__> it was ook but suddendly happens this i just cant turn it on
[15:47] <luis__> because of this
[15:47] <gorgonzola> hello all, how can i install a package for jaunty in intrepid?
[15:47] <afeijo> DaSkreech: usermod -L [user]?
[15:48] <DaSkreech> luis__: I meant is this at the BIOS screen or after Grub
[15:48] <luis__> i guess after grub
[15:48] <DaSkreech> afeijo: That will do it
[15:48] <afeijo> nice
[15:49] <DaSkreech> luis__: ok then use a live CD and run a memory check sounds like you RAM is getting testy
[15:49] <blahjake> luis__: that has to be your BIOS, it says hard drive not found
[15:49] <luis__> i am sorry something things i dont get but this happens when i press power button it appears Dell and that stuff form the manufacturer and after that appears all that
[15:50] <luis__> the thing is that i already place a live cd but it just stay there
[15:50] <gorgonzola> what is the preferred method i i want to install a pckage for jaunty in intrepid?
[15:54] <Raylz> any kde 4.2rc packages that are patched to this day available?
[15:54] <Raylz> my packages from the rc version has not been patched since the release
[15:54] <Raylz> have*
[15:57] <luis__> DaSkreech i put the live cd again after awhile those phrases again so i hit F1 and it appear something weird, cursor is on left top on the screen and down the screen i got this: BUG: Int 14: CR2 ffffb0f0 EDI 00000 ebx 00000046 err 00000000  Stack: c011410e...
[15:57] <blahjake> luis__: does it have multiple physical sticks of RAM?
[15:58] <DaSkreech> luis__: You are set to boot from CD ?
[15:58] <luis__> 2
[15:58] <blahjake> luis__: try booting with only one in, if it fails, try with just the other
[15:58] <luis__> ok
[15:58] <zombor> is kubuntu set up to connect to SMB shares with the default install? I don't see "Connect to server..." under the Places menu?
[16:00] <luis__> it work
[16:00] <luis__> THANKS A LOT GUYS
[16:00] <luis__> BI IT DIDT
[16:00] <luis__> IDIDNT
[16:01] <luis__> SORRY FALSE ALARM
[16:01] <Raylz> blahjake: nice work decrypting kernel msges^^
[16:04] <lawi> hi guys, anyone worked with aspeditor on mono?
[16:09] <semistud2354> can anyone tell me whats the deal with amarok with mysql 5.1
[16:10] <Raylz> semistud2354: u shouldnt use mysql 5.1 since its unstable
[16:10] <franxexpo> ciao
[16:11] <adrian_> hmmmm Can i connect throwards "Telnet" into a Windows XP machine ? (using Kubuntu console)
[16:11] <Raylz> semistud2354: for more infos i recommend #amarok ;)
[16:13] <gorgonzola> How can i install the jaunty version of a package under intrepid?
[16:14] <demarco> help. tried to update my video drivers and am stuck in 800x600hell. keeps showing a display error at the startup of ubuntu. How can i solve this issue?
[16:16] <johannes_> hi
[16:16] <Raylz> hi
[16:16] <gorgonzola> demarco: are the correct modes set in xorg.conf?
[16:16] <demarco> hielp!
[16:16] <johannes_> i ahve got weird graphic probs with the intel gma x3100 on kubuntu 8.10
[16:16] <demarco> gorgonzola: how can i check?
[16:16] <gorgonzola> demarco are yuo sure the kernel is loading your desired driver?
[16:16] <johannes_> eg screen bright ness flickering and changing when i type
[16:17] <johannes_> strokes in xfce
[16:17] <gorgonzola> demarco what card yuo ahve?
[16:17] <johannes_> could any body help?
[16:17] <demarco> gorgonzola: no. i am novice to linux
[16:17] <demarco> gorgonzola: ati radeon 9600
[16:17] <gorgonzola> can you open a terminal?
[16:17] <demarco> its open now
[16:18] <gorgonzola> type fglrxinfo
[16:18] <gorgonzola> demarco, what did fglrxinfo say?
[16:19] <demarco> gorgonzola: X Error of failed requestL BadRequest (invalid request code or no such oper...)
[16:19] <gorgonzola> i'm affradi that's above me :(
[16:20] <gorgonzola> have you beeen able to start X?
[16:20] <gorgonzola> ie, do you have a graphical environment?
[16:20] <demarco> i have a user interface similar to safemode on windows. stuck at 800x600
[16:20] <johannes_> hello? andy body into graphics, drivers?
[16:21] <jillsmitt> http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76039647pv6.jpg - why?
[16:21] <gorgonzola> ok, seems yuor system is not using the correct driver
[16:21] <gorgonzola> and it has reverted to mesa drivers.
[16:21] <jillsmitt> gorgonzola: driver from the disk
[16:21] <demarco> what do you suggest
[16:22] <jillsmitt> gorgonzola: when i use compixe artefacts gone, but i dont need compiz
[16:22] <gorgonzola> is this a first time install?
[16:22] <jillsmitt> no of course
[16:22] <gorgonzola> did you have the fglrx driver wroking before?
[16:23] <gorgonzola> sorry, that's for demarco :P
[16:23] <demarco> originally. yes
[16:23] <jillsmitt> gorgonzola: i dont know, but how can i check it?
[16:23] <demarco> tried to install drivers. i know things have gone awry since
[16:24] <gorgonzola> demarco: i have a radeon card, and i have had a lot of trouble in the past setting it up, but that *should* have been fixed...
[16:24] <DaSkreech> adrian_: try telnet
[16:25] <gorgonzola> demarco: i could give you some pointer on how to fix it, but the optimal solution would to get kubuntu to install and use the correct driver. since i have not have to deal with that in a long time, my advive might no be up to date...
[16:25] <demarco> fglrxinfo?
[16:25] <gorgonzola> fglrxinfo is an app that comes with fglrx.
[16:25] <demarco> located in synaptic package?
[16:25] <gorgonzola> if it throws that error, most likley fglrx is not properly installed, or is not being loaded correcrtly
[16:25] <Frozenball> Is Kubuntu stable?
[16:26] <adrian_> DaSkreech: yeah i tryed /Telnet o [ip]
[16:26] <adrian_> but it's like dead
[16:26] <Raylz> Frozenball: debian stable?
[16:26] <Frozenball> usable stable
[16:26] <DaSkreech> adrian_: Know the port?
[16:26] <Raylz> Frozenball: yes
[16:26] <DaSkreech>  hi jono
[16:26] <adrian_> mhmmmm the port should be 23 always
[16:26] <Frozenball> I have heard it uses KDE 4.x, is this correct?
[16:27] <Raylz> Frozenball: jep, it uses 4.1.4 but tomorrow 4.2 packges will be released
[16:27] <Raylz> so you can upgrade
[16:27] <demarco> i will format then :/
[16:27] <Raylz> i hope so :)
[16:27] <demarco> thank you for your help
[16:27] <demarco> do you know what version of ubuntu has best graphical support?
[16:27] <gorgonzola> demardco: wll, that should not be necesary.
[16:28] <gorgonzola> i'm on intrepid and have had no issues...
[16:28] <Raylz> Frozenball: im using 4.2rc packages and it runs rly well
[16:28] <jono> hey DaSkreech :)
[16:28] <gorgonzola> demarco: and in any case, solving this is not really hard...
[16:28] <demarco> im on ubuntu 8.10
[16:28] <DaSkreech> how are you jono?
[16:28] <Tm_T> jono bono!
[16:28]  * Tm_T hides
[16:28] <jono> DaSkreech, last time I checked :)
[16:28] <gorgonzola> demarco: and you did not get any message from the restricted drivers maanger?
[16:29] <demarco> can i pm u gorgonzola?
[16:29] <demarco> :(
[16:32] <demarco> can i pm u gorgonzola?
[16:32] <gorgonzola> demarco: yes
[16:35] <nahy> i need to open file manager as root. i type kdesudo but it show nothing but an error thingy????!!!!
[16:36] <mefisto__> about 3 times out of 10, boot process halts completely when kdm should start. I get a black screen and cannot switch to virtual terminal. I've tried many xorg.conf configs, with the same result, unless I don't load ati flgrx driver or do something that disables direct rendering (eg vesa driver or booting an older kernel that doesn't fully work with the fglrx driver) Any thoughts?
[16:37] <nahy> i need to open file manager as root. i type kdesudo but it show nothing but an error thingy????!!!! am i mistyping something?
[16:37] <mefisto__> nahy: well, what are you typing?
[16:38] <nahy> i type kdesudo
[16:38] <mefisto__> nahy: you're leaving out the file manager. eg kdesudo konqueror  or  kdesudo dolphin
[16:39] <nahy> OK thank you
[16:43] <vbgunz> I always get a launch error when trying to open ktorrent through a torrent file... something about ktorrent could not be launched (but it launches just fine)
[16:43] <vbgunz> anyone know why ktorrent always yields this error?
[16:45] <amerigo> !php
[16:52] <SiVA_> how do I install the 4.2 stuff?
[16:53] <bazhang> SiVA_, the RC?
[16:54] <SiVA_> bazhang: yes
[16:55] <bazhang> SiVA_, check the /topic here
[16:55] <manare> hi, i'm running intrepid amd64 + nvidia. After some updates a couple of days ago, desktop effects stop working and kde says I dont have composite and damage ext. xdpyinfo says I have. any help?
[17:02] <familia> holaaa
[17:03] <familia> alguien me lee??
[17:03] <bazhang> !es
[17:04] <familia> hellooooooooooooo
[17:06] <familia> alguien por ahi???
[17:07] <bazhang> familia, /join #ubuntu-es
[17:07] <familia> anecesito hacer una consulta...
[17:09] <bazhang> familia, english here
[17:10] <familia> ok ok
[17:10] <familia> i understand
[17:21] <mefisto__> about 3 times out of 10, boot process halts completely when kdm should start. I get a black screen and cannot switch to virtual terminal. I've tried many xorg.conf configs, with the same result, unless I don't load ati flgrx driver or do something that disables direct rendering (eg vesa driver or booting an older kernel that doesn't fully work with the fglrx driver) Any thoughts?
[17:22] <mefisto__> um no, I mean 3 times out of 10 I will successfully boot. 7 out of 10 fails when X starts
[17:25] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[17:25] <FuriousGeorge> something terrible has happened to my ability to fetch updates from repos
[17:25] <FuriousGeorge> http://pastebin.ca/
[17:25] <FuriousGeorge> oops
[17:26] <FuriousGeorge> http://pastebin.ca/1318720
[17:26] <FuriousGeorge> i keep getting stuff like:   99% [3 Translation-en_US bzip2 0] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[17:27] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: have you tried different download mirrors?
[17:28] <DaSkreech> Anyone good at backtraces?
[17:30] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: i have not
[17:31] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: /etc/apt/sources.list?
[17:32] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: it will save some typing if you just do it with the gui: kdesudo software-properties-kde
[17:32] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: and there's a list of servers to choose from
[17:33] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: im ssh'ed in and x-tunneling seems not to work
[17:34] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: ok, maybe edit sources.list, taking out "us" from us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: i have a content filter in place that blocks communication on port80...  you think that could be the cause?
[17:37] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: if I'm not mistaken, port 80 is http requests, so yeah that is probably it
[17:38] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: you're not mistaken
[17:40] <spot_> Hi! Is there anyone here there can tell me if it's possible to enable "The Cube" in Kubuntu 8.10?
[17:41] <spot_> Man kan måske sagtens skrive på dansk i denne kanal?
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> spot_: If you install KDE 4.2 you will have a Desktop Cube effect
[17:43] <marcel_> what packages i must to install for a good java ... ??
[17:43] <Mamarok> !dk | spot_
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-rc1
[17:47] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: that fixed it
[17:47] <mefisto__> FuriousGeorge: opening port 80?
[17:48] <raidenovich> can i display a x desktop with ssh?
[17:48] <surgy> im using kde 4.1 and my kde menu stopped working
[17:48] <raidenovich> or can i just use the terminal
[17:49] <FuriousGeorge> mefisto__: yeah, well, technically i put the ltsp-server on the exception ip list...  i assume the ltsp clients will still be blocked
[17:49] <spot_> Sorry for talking danish! :-)
[17:50] <surgy> can anyone help me?
[17:50] <mefisto__> spot_: cube is possible in 8.04, so I'm sure it will work in 8.10
[17:50] <surgy> what is the command to start the kde menu? and why would it crash?
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> sup dudes
[17:51] <surgy> and kdesu doesnt work anymore?
[17:51] <FuriousGeorge> ahh, shoot.  i need java 1.6.1 and its not available...
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> is there an email client that can store emails from an account on the local system from a google account (webmail spec) but has a web interface for send / reading etc etc
[17:52] <marcel_> how can i get java, please... ?
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> so the emails are pulled down in the normal way (polling every now and again) but i'd love a web interface to teh stored mails, is that possible
[17:52] <tobor> marcel_: did you try apt-get install java?
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> marcel_: if you are running 64bit ubuntu, use icedtea
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> !java | marcel_
[17:53] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: so a mail client that does gmail?
[17:53] <marcel_> thank you...
[17:54] <marcel_> sun java is better then others ?
[17:54] <surgy> umm im having a few problems with kde 4, the screen flickers sometimes, and my kde menu dissapeared.....
[17:55] <surgy> ok.... well will someone please tell me the terminal command to start the kde menu..
[17:55] <mefisto__> surgy: kde4?
[17:56] <surgy> mefisto__: yes
[17:56] <FuriousGeorge> looks like java 6.10 has been available for a while...  is it safe to say that it is never coming to kubuntu-8.0.4?
[17:57] <mefisto__> surgy: you need to add a widget to the panel. I think you right-click (and unlock if it's locked) and then, add widgets
[17:57] <surgy> iok i got it
[17:57] <surgy> app luancher
[17:57] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: kinda but the files storing the emails to be accessed via a web interface
[17:57] <surgy> ok thnx
[17:57] <surgy> mefisto__: also my screen seams to gitter every few seconds, any ideas as to what that could be?
[17:58] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: so you don't want the emails stored locally at all?
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: like thunderbird makes msf files for the account but i wanna access the files via web etc
[17:58] <surgy> how do you move an icon on the taskbar in kde4?
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: theyd be stored on a central box polling the account for new emails
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: doesnt have to be thunderbird, i dont mind changing email app
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> surgy: right click plasma, unlock icons, then drag them wherever
[18:00] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: sorry, not following you. but you know thunderbird can do gmail, right?
[18:00] <surgy> ActionParsnip: its not locked and not letting me drag anywhere....
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: ok i'll break it down
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: you have a webmail account and it is being accessed by your chosen email app (kmail, thunderbird, whatever)
[18:01] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: the emails are downloaded and put into the inbox storage file in some way and read by the client and displayed and all that fluff (normal email client stuff)
[18:02] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: I think I got you now. you want those downloaded mails to be accessible over the web on other machines
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: now, if I'm on another system and want access to those files
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: exactly
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: if there is a different client then i'm willing to change
[18:02] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: but you could get to the same mails by just using a browser, no?
[18:03] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: i'd have my system removing the mail off the server
[18:04] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: i could forward x but i kinda want it available any place
[18:04] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: I use thunderbird with gmail, and both tb and gmail web interface are in sync and have the same mails
[18:06] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: how can i enable the tb web interface?
[18:09] <surgy> umm kde 4 kindof sucks
[18:09] <surgy> i mean its nice but nothing works right at all
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> surgy: its not for everyone
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> surgy: i use kde4 but not kwin4 :)
[18:10] <surgy> ActionParsnip: if i could just fix a few of the big problems im having i would love it
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> surgy: sounds like you have a project
[18:10] <Pconfig> surgy: have you looked at 4.2 beta?
[18:11] <surgy> Pconfig: no and if 4.1 isnt close to stable than im not even going to consider 4.2
[18:11] <Pconfig> 4.2 is way better
[18:11] <Pconfig> and will be released tomorrow
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> i'll get t tomorrow but fluxbox will stil reign supreme
[18:12] <venik212> WHen I copy a large file from one place to another, I get a small window that shows the tranfer, but in a few seconds the window closes, and (although the transfer seems to continue) I lose the ability to see the progress of the transfer.  WHat is going on?  KDE 1.41, Kubuntu 8.10
[18:12] <surgy> nothing works right, i mean i cant move widgets around on the task bar, the screen gitters..... and every time i try to make the taskbar a bit smaller it cuts the icons in half, so i make it a bit bigger and half of my icons dissapear
[18:12] <x_link> Hi!
[18:12] <x_link> kubuntu-kde4-desktop, will KDE4 be installed if I install that file?
[18:13] <venik212> using the proprietary nvidia driver (1.80)
[18:13] <surgy> Pconfig:  is that an oficial stable release tommorow?
[18:13] <Pconfig> surgy: alot of improvement has been made on the icon tray and plasma in general
[18:13] <Pconfig> surgy: if everything goes as planned.. yes
[18:13] <Pconfig> it's already been tagged so
[18:13] <ActionParsnip> x_link: looks like it, yes
[18:13] <surgy> Pconfig: and it will be in the repos, so i can use adept to upgrade right?
[18:14] <ActionParsnip> x_link: i'm guessing you are using hardy: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-To-Install-KDE-4-1-On-Ubuntu-8-04-91034.shtml
[18:14] <x_link> ActionParsnip: Alright, thanks.
[18:14] <x_link> ActionParsnip: Yes, I use Hardy cause I don't like KDE4.
[18:14] <Pconfig> venik212: some computer icon should show up in your icon tray, if you click on it, theb bar will appear again
[18:14] <x_link> But I still want to try it out all the time hehe
[18:14] <Pconfig> surgy: you may need to add an alternate ppa repository
[18:15] <Pconfig> surgy: no idea if it will officialy get backported
[18:15] <venik212> pconfig-- I agree that it SHOULD appear, but I do not see it...
[18:15] <surgy> Pconfig: i downloaded this cd image from the kubuntu website, and i gotta say im dissapointed, badly
[18:15] <ActionParsnip> x_link: you can always uninstall it
[18:15] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: in tb, just create a new account, and choose gmail. the server and port stuff is explained at google's gmail help. In fact I think they walk you through setting it up in thunderbird and other clients
[18:16] <x_link> ActionParsnip: Yeah I know.
[18:16] <x_link> ActionParsnip: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main so that's the repo that I need and then "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop-kde4
[18:16] <Pconfig> surgy: same thing for me. I didn't use kde 4.1 but when i started tested 4.2 i went for it. I'm using it as my main DE
[18:16] <surgy> Pconfig: do you know the repo that i will need?
[18:16] <x_link> ActionParsnip: I mean kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[18:16] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: i have the account setup, i just want to access the email files on my system from another via web interface
[18:16] <Pconfig> venik212: no extra icons?
[18:16] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: I've set mine up using imap, rather than pop mail
[18:16] <venik212> none that I can see
[18:17] <surgy> and kmix crashed...
[18:17] <Pconfig> surgy: it will appear on the kubuntu site tomorrow or the day after most likely
[18:17] <Pconfig> it's say, try that one out, it works very good for me
[18:17] <Pconfig> i'd say*
[18:18] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: yes but the mails on your system will be the same as in the gmail browser interface. your tb and the gmail account will have the same content. that acheives what you want doesn't it?
[18:18] <surgy> Pconfig:  i would have thought they would tell us the repo before it was actually released so we could add it to adept and have an automated update
[18:19] <venik212> in general, I find KDE 1.4 to be a nice looking interface, with many broken features
[18:19] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: i have my system removing the files from the server
[18:19] <x_link> venik212: I think KDE 3.5.10 looks better ;D
[18:19] <jussi01> surgy: there is a experimental repo, but its just that, it has the RC1 in it. BUT it is experimental only...
[18:19] <Pconfig> surgy: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-rc1
[18:19] <venik212> it certainly seems to work better.... fewer broken things
[18:20] <surgy> will that be the same repo they use for the official release tommorow?
[18:20] <Pconfig> probably not, as it says experimental
[18:22] <surgy> dam
[18:23] <surgy> lol
[18:23] <surgy> the big "but" in opensource rears its ugly head
[18:23] <venik212> pconfig-- found the icon, but the transfer had stopped
[18:24] <venik212> and now the icon is gone... I must have clicked on one of those silly side buttons
[18:24] <Pconfig> venik212: if the transfer is done for a few seconds it disappears
[18:24] <venik212> The transfer crashed-- was NOT finished
[18:25] <venik212> how do I see ALL the icons in that tray?
[18:25] <Pconfig> hm? i see them all all the time actually
[18:26] <x_link> ActionParsnip: I installed it with synaptic now, I hope it will work.
[18:29] <ActionParsnip> x_link: you will have to log off, select the new DE then log on
[18:29] <bmunger> what command can i use in crontab to set the computer to sleep?  i tried /etc/acpi/sleep.sh but it just makes the system freeze to the point it wont return
[18:30] <x_link> ActionParsnip: Yeah I know, I will try it soon =)
[18:31] <Pconfig> bmunger: take a look at apmd
[18:32] <bmunger> alright thanks
[18:34] <Stalker72> How do I auto-align and/or auto-arrange icons at my desktop?
[18:34] <bmunger> Pconfig: no kernel support for it
[18:34] <filenox> hello, i'm a moderator at a forum, and some people have reported that they can't use the live-cd, because i don't automaticly logs in, can somebody give me some login-data please ?
[18:34] <filenox> kubuntu 8.10 btw
[18:35] <FuriousGeorge> should i uninstall sun-java-6 from hardy before attempting to install the .deb from intrepid?
[18:36] <Pconfig> bmunger, does the sleep function in your menu work?
[18:36] <Elloc> Hello
[18:36] <Elloc> Anybody know how to install FrostWire ?
[18:36] <filenox> there is a .deb for
[18:36] <filenox> but you need java
[18:37] <Elloc> yeah
[18:37] <Elloc> but when i run it
[18:37] <Elloc> nothing happens =/
[18:37] <Elloc> and i install Java too
[18:38] <bmunger> Pconfig: the sleep function when i close the laptop lid works just fine
[18:39] <Pconfig> hm, if it doesn't use apmd it should use the sleep.sh no idea then sorry
[18:39] <x_link> So KDe 4.2 will be released tomorrow =)
[18:39] <bmunger> alright
[18:40] <trojkolka> what is the average time that a package gets published to show up on your updates...
[18:40] <bmunger> why is it when i cron ifconfig eth0 down, it stays down for about 30 sec then comes back
[18:40] <trojkolka> i dont have a desktop
[18:40] <Stalker72> How do I auto-align and/or auto-arrange icons in Kubuntu?
[18:40] <mefisto__> do we know when kubuntu will have 4.2 in official repos?
[18:41] <trojkolka> kde-workspace is not on same version number as libplasma3... i just saw the 4.4.2 workspace package has been released 30 minutes ago
[18:41] <trojkolka> that would fix my issue of not having a desktop
[18:41] <trojkolka> but when can i expect it to show up in my updates when it is released just a couple minutes ago
[18:41] <filenox> does somebody know why kubuntu doesn't automaticly login on the LIVE-cd ?
[18:42] <x_link> Does anybody here know if it's possible to make KDE4 to just like KDE 3.5.10?
[18:43] <The_Rebel> how do i get multiple X sessios working with KDE 4?
[18:44] <The_Rebel> i am using the restricted nvidia drivers
[18:44] <The_Rebel> all i get is an X cursor on the second display
[18:44] <The_Rebel> no KDE desktop
[18:45] <blahjake> The_Rebel: are you using Switch User or something else?
[18:45] <The_Rebel> no
[18:46] <The_Rebel> i have two displays hooked up.. usually i get two desktops with this configuration
[18:47] <Pconfig> The_Rebel: any reason why you want seperate xsessions?
[18:47] <x_link> Does nobody know?
[18:47] <The_Rebel> i get less tearing with two displays + compiz
[18:47] <blahjake> sounds like he didn't actually mean sessions
[18:48] <bazhang> x_link look exactly the same?
[18:48] <The_Rebel> yes i mean sessions
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: do you think squirrelmail will support gmail?
[18:48] <x_link> bazhang: Yes, or atleast pretty much the same.
[18:48] <The_Rebel> i saw an option to configure each output with the opensource nv driver
[18:48] <Pconfig> The_Rebel: last time i checked, it wasn't supported yet by kde4 as there was no maintainer of the multiple monitor module at the moment
[18:49] <The_Rebel> ok
[18:49] <bazhang> x_link I would doubt that in the extreme
[18:49] <Pconfig> The_Rebel: twinview works just as good for me
[18:50] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: don't know anything about squirrelmail
[18:50] <ActionParsnip> ok man, i'll let you know how it flys
[18:53] <x_link> bazhang: Alright.
[18:55] <bazhang> x_link, if you want 3.5.10, need to use hardy afaik
[18:57] <x_link> bazhang: I know, but I just want it to look like KDE3.
[18:57] <x_link> I'm not a big fan of KDE4.
[18:57] <x_link> But I guess I can try to change the look as much as I can
[18:57] <bazhang> perhaps check kde-look.org
[18:58] <mefisto__> what I don't like about kde4 is how chunky it looks, you know?
[19:00] <kalp> hello ppl
[19:00] <irannaked> hmm
[19:01] <irannaked> from being born on windos and switching to linux, i likey!!
[19:02] <kalp> i got a prob guys
[19:02] <kalp> cant detect wireless networks
[19:02] <kalp> can any1 help
[19:03] <irannaked> i might be able to
[19:03] <irannaked> you right click on the network in the "start menu" and enable wireless?
[19:05] <kalp> there is no start menu in kubuntu!!
[19:05] <liar> kmenu^^
[19:06] <kalp> k
[19:06] <kalp> i see network services option in it
[19:06] <mefisto__> this has always bugged me: why doesn't the kmenu icon use the kubuntu logo instead of the default kde K?
[19:07] <SiVA_> kde 4.2 is much better
[19:07] <xiong> i'm angry and frustrated; i can't seem to get anything done
[19:07] <mefisto__> is there somewhere on kubuntu.org like a wishlist, where you can make suggestions?
[19:08] <xiong> trivial tasks require extensive research and experiment
[19:08] <irannaked> try having 160 gb's or movies gameas and tv shows deleted due to installing ubuntu
[19:08] <irannaked> that blows
[19:08] <xiong> intermediate-level tasks, i'm unable to succeed with at all
[19:08] <xiong> and never mind actually getting any work done
[19:08] <xiong> what am i doing wrong? where do i begin? how can i unravel this system?
[19:09] <irannaked> work??? getting work done?? i cant even look up my colleges class' :(
[19:09] <irannaked> system> admin> network tools
[19:09] <irannaked> check there
[19:09] <kalp> k
[19:10] <irannaked> you see a wireless interface listed?
[19:11] <xiong> i read this discussion of klipper
[19:11] <xiong> i don't understand the point
[19:12] <xiong> why would i want to think about the clipboard??
[19:12] <irannaked> copy and paste?
[19:13] <xiong> yeh, i don't think of copy and paste as related to a specific applet
[19:13] <mefisto__> what's to think about? click the icon, there's a list of things you've copied recently
[19:13] <irannaked> yeah right. it should be applied to everything
[19:13] <irannaked> copy and paste a url
[19:13] <xiong> rather, it's a method of dealing with stuff that cuts across all tools
[19:13] <irannaked> small text
[19:13] <irannaked> why couldnt bill gates make linux?
[19:13] <xiong> i'm really having a tough time filtering out the noise from the meat
[19:14] <SiVA_> hrm... spoke too soon. Looks like NetBeans now crashes intermittently... so much for my 4.2 upgrade
[19:14] <kalp> i dont see anthing in network settings
[19:14] <xiong> please tell me why it is so tough to configure the K menu
[19:15] <xiong> or is there a simpler replacement?
[19:15] <irannaked> because you diddnt read their 22423423 page manual on how to work the OS
[19:15] <irannaked> lmao
[19:15] <irannaked> my best guess
[19:16] <xiong> i'm really struggling with these mans
[19:16] <xiong> am i using the wrong distro?
[19:16] <irannaked> what are you loged into now and typing on?
[19:16] <xiong> "konversation"
[19:16] <SiVA_> how do I edit the menu in kde 4.2
[19:16] <pinda> is it just me, or is plasma in jaunty completely broken atm? (crashes directly after start)
[19:17] <xiong> siva that is exactly my question
[19:17] <SiVA_> oh.. hehe
[19:17] <xiong> i find that if i right-click, i come up on a box where i can crudely add items
[19:17] <xiong> but it's just all so wonky
[19:17] <x_link> ActionParsnip: Now I'm in KDE4. ;D
[19:17] <mefisto__> right-click the K, there's a menu editor, no?
[19:17] <irannaked> freaking codes
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> pinda: kde4libs 4.2.0 got uploaded, but the rest of 4.2.0 hasn't built yet
[19:17] <xiong> what i want to do is open the menu up, like a folder, and drag stuff around
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> and pimlibs got uploaded, but kdebase-workspace hasn't built
[19:18] <xiong> i can't figure out how to create a symbolic link either
[19:18] <pinda> JontheEchidna: ah, so that should hit the repos shortly?
[19:18] <irannaked> get intrepid
[19:18] <irannaked> not jaunty
[19:18] <xiong> "alias" in my tongue
[19:18] <trojkolka> kdebase has been published an hour ago
[19:18] <trojkolka> doesnt show up in updates just yet
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> pinda: dunno, the X guys decided to break X in the middle of our KDE upload :/
[19:18] <trojkolka> -workspace i mean
[19:18] <mefisto__> xiong: calm down. it's not good for your health
[19:19] <pinda> JontheEchidna: that sounds like fun ;)
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> making certain header packages uninstallable
[19:19] <SiVA_> well... back to regular ubuntu.
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> making KDE packages fail to build
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1
[19:20] <pinda> JontheEchidna: good luck fixing that.
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah.... thanks
[19:21] <trojkolka> so JontheEchidna... any luck in the next hour that my desktop will return? (read: kdebase-workspace gets updated to 4.4.2 and pushed a updated on my system)
[19:21] <irannaked> fuk 4.4.2
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> trojkolka: probably not
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> even if it is working it usually takes an hour to build
[19:22] <trojkolka> bummer any change on how i get my wireless network with WPA psk running from terminal then?
[19:22] <irannaked> dude
[19:22] <irannaked> launch the gnome desktop
[19:22] <xiong> i have studied several web pages addressing the question of kubuntu running on a dell latitude C600
[19:22] <irannaked> and chill on kde intill they fix it
[19:22] <xiong> the problem is the screen resolution, which defaults to 800x600
[19:22] <irannaked> safe mode when you install xiong
[19:23] <xiong> the native display resolution is 1400x1050
[19:23] <irannaked> then update video drivers
[19:23] <xiong> okay irannaked that is info
[19:23] <xiong> but i don't understand
[19:23] <irannaked> thow it at mee
[19:24] <xiong> what is safe mode, how do i enter it, and do you mean to say that i must reinstall kubuntu from cd all over?
[19:24] <xiong> also, how would i update the video drivers?
[19:24] <trojkolka> xiong safe mode is in your login screen options menuy
[19:24] <xiong> okay, hold on; i have to go see this for myself
[19:24] <irannaked> ok, safe mode is what i used on my widescreen because nothing was viable or clickable
[19:25] <xiong> i very rarely see the login screen
[19:25] <x_link> Hurmm
[19:25] <irannaked> so i installed and ran in safe mode to fix the video problem
[19:25] <x_link> Is it not possible to right-click on a desktop-file and choose "Rename"?
[19:25] <x_link> I'm a bit confused in KDE4 actualy.
[19:25] <irannaked> and to update System>admin>update
[19:25] <x_link> No kcontrol, I can't remove dolphin and use konqueror.
[19:26] <x_link> I can't move icons on my taskbar.
[19:26] <filenox> does somebody know why the live-cd (kubun.) doesn't logjn automaticly ?
[19:26] <SiVA_> hrm... netbeans doesn't work in Xubuntu either
[19:26] <irannaked> wait, did you straight up install kubuntu?
[19:26] <x_link> There is some things I really don't understnad.
[19:26] <xiong> okay i have been to the login screen; there is no
[19:26] <xiong> "safe mode"
[19:26] <SiVA_> ok, I upgraded to kde 4.2, by following the instructions at the link in the /topic. Now my netbeans ide keeps crashing... any suggestions?
[19:26] <irannaked> xiong!!!!
[19:26] <irannaked> wait, did you straight up install kubuntu?
[19:27] <xiong> although there is a "failsafe" option
[19:27] <Pconfig> x_link: the desktop widget isn't meant to be a full file manager, only able to launch files quickly from it
[19:27] <xiong> yes, i installed kubuntu on a freshly partitioned drive
[19:27] <SiVA_> ok... how do I *remove* the kde 4.2 stuff I just upgraded? Maybe that will make my netbeans work again
[19:27] <Pconfig> x_link: you can more icons around on your panel when you click panel settings
[19:27] <xiong> i did this about a month ago; since then i've been updating it and trying to wrestle it into shape
[19:28] <mefisto__> x_link: you can move icon on the taskbar. click that button at the right and you can move them all around
[19:28] <xiong> irannaked: did i do wrong?
[19:28] <irannaked> =http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/281.html
[19:28] <SiVA_> is there such a thing as a "downgrade"? I want to go back to kde 4.1
[19:29] <irannaked> try launghing kde in safe
[19:29] <xiong> sorry, i can't seem to make the connection
[19:29] <xiong> you want me to reinstall? i installed kubuntu 8.10 in the first place
[19:30] <xiong> ... and i'm still pretty sure i don't understand
[19:30] <xiong> "safe mode"
[19:30] <x_link> mefisto__: Okej
[19:30] <irannaked> when you login click options and select kde in safe
[19:31] <x_link> mefisto__: There is no right button on the icons in my taskbar.
[19:31] <xiong> that larsen-b link; i assume that those are lines to type into the command-line shell?
[19:31] <mefisto__> x_link: the cashew-shaped thing, like the one at top right of the desktop
[19:31] <x_link> Baaah KDE4 is very different from KDE3
[19:32] <irannaked> yes
[19:32] <irannaked> the terminal or Konsole
[19:32] <xiong> will all my preferences go away? and will it help for me to reinstall kde4?
[19:32] <irannaked> should help reinstall kde4 properlly
[19:32] <irannaked> if anythings missing it should reinstall it
[19:32] <xiong> i have figured out how to get a shell window
[19:32] <x_link> mefisto__: I just get a new "taskbar" when i press that.
[19:33] <irannaked> i havent had much of a problem running ubuntu and then upgrading to KDE 4
[19:33] <irannaked> runs pretty smooth
[19:33] <irannaked> alt+F2
[19:33] <irannaked> shortcut
[19:33] <xiong> i'm completely confused now
[19:33] <irannaked> then type the command and click run in terminal
[19:34] <xiong> all of the web discussion about the screen resolution problem revolves around xorg.conf
[19:34] <xiong> which is a configuration file
[19:34] <mefisto__> x_link: now when you click an icon, it should show arrows left right up down, meaning you can move that icon around
[19:34] <x_link> I'm switching back to KDE4, I really don't like KDE4.
[19:34] <xiong> tinkering with this, i've been able to get to 1240x768 in thousands of colors (depth 16)
[19:34] <x_link> mefisto__: I can only do that on the desktop-icons, not in my taskbar.
[19:34] <xiong> which sucks but is better than 800x600
[19:35] <xiong> i have 8Mb of video ram, i think i should be able to get this to go right
[19:35] <Pconfig> xiong: what graphics card do you have?
[19:35] <mefisto__> x_link: you have hardy with kde4 from the ppa repos, right?
[19:35] <xiong> x_link: switching to kde3?
[19:36] <xiong> Pconfig: not sure, it's a long name
[19:36] <Pconfig> xiong: what brand? :p
[19:36] <xiong> it's not really a distinct card at all anyway
[19:36] <x_link> xiong: ??
[19:36] <xiong> i mean, it's all one one board, right?
[19:36] <Pconfig> ok, so it's an intel card?
[19:36] <xiong> this is a dell latitude C600
[19:37] <xiong> laptop
[19:37] <x_link> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[19:37] <x_link> mefisto__: I use that repoo.
[19:37] <x_link> Repo.
[19:37] <xiong> i assume all the video stuff is soldered into the motherboard
[19:37] <x_link> Seems more difficult to change things in KDE4.
[19:37] <xiong> some sort of ati chipset
[19:37] <x_link> Alot of things are alot different.
[19:38] <Pconfig> xiong: do you have the propriatary drivers installed?
[19:38] <xiong> Pconfig: that sounds like a wise question to ask
[19:38] <xiong> but i have no idea how to answer it
[19:38] <xiong> how would i know?
[19:38] <xiong> how would i do it, if i knew it had not been done?
[19:39] <Pconfig> xiong: kmenu ==> programs ==> system ==> hardware drivers
[19:39] <xiong> hm--wait
[19:40] <x_link> Well well...going back to KDE3.
[19:40] <x_link> They should just changed some things.
[19:40] <x_link> Have kcontrol etc and everythign else as it was.
[19:40] <x_link> All the settings at the same place as it was before etc.
[19:40] <x_link> well well, not much to do.
[19:40] <Pconfig> x_link: kde4 is meant to be future proof
[19:40] <mefisto__> x_link: I have the same as you. let me log in to kde4 and I'll tell you how to move taskbar icons
[19:40] <xiong> Pconfig: "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system."
[19:41] <Pconfig> xiong: are there any drivers listed?
[19:41] <xiong> nope, just two blank boxes and a dim "enable" button
[19:41] <deepfriedsquirre> Hmm, I wonder why my system is using all my 2GB of RAM just after I start up and start a KDE4 session.
[19:42] <deepfriedsquirre> Seems to be running fairly fast and all
[19:42] <EagleScreen> deepfriedsquirre top command can be useful
[19:42] <deepfriedsquirre> Oh, maybe it was th fsck
[19:42] <deepfriedsquirre> point... lol
[19:42] <bitmonster> hi, can anyone help me to use mkinitrd in order to include the libata module?
[19:42] <Pconfig> xiong: that's odd, so where did you try to change your resolution?
[19:42] <deepfriedsquirre> Meh nothing seems to be using huge amounts of memory
[19:42] <xiong> Pconfig: surfing, i see many driver downloads available for C600 but they are all for windoz
[19:42] <deepfriedsquirre> Maybe it's just the result fo what fsck did earlier
[19:43] <deepfriedsquirre> Cheers, see you
[19:43] <Pconfig> xiong: are they ATI or intel?
[19:43] <mefisto__> x_link: it's just what I said. click the cashew, that extra panel with config buttons pops up. hover the mouse over an icon and the arrows will show. then just drag the icons to a new position
[19:43] <xiong> ah, all the pages on the latitude/linux screen issue say to edit xorg.conf
[19:43] <enig> Hello, can anyone explain me why the movie playback is slower then normal? i mean the timeline is the same but it seems to skip about 30 to 40 percent of the frames. I've tried Kaffeine and Dragon player both with the same problem.
[19:43] <irannaked> do it then xiong
[19:43] <xiong> trouble is, they all prescribe a different blend of snake oil and claim different results
[19:43]  * revourbis Hello.
[19:43] <Pconfig> xiong: did you try to follow those guides?
[19:44] <irannaked> want a example .conf?
[19:44] <xiong> yes; and some did not work at all; others gave me the 1240x768 at thousands of colors
[19:44] <surgy> hello
[19:44] <surgy> Pconfig: your right kde 4.2 rawks
[19:44] <mefisto__> x_link: you can also resize the height of the panel. there's a handle at the top of that extra panel you can drag up or down
[19:45] <xiong> if, say, i use a modeline for 1024x768 at millions of colors, i get a blank white screen
[19:45] <xiong> this is bogus; with 8Mb of vram i should be able to get at least that -- indeed, others report 1400x1050
[19:45] <x_link> mefisto__: Okey, I'm not very good with this. I think KDE3 is alot easier and looks alot easier.
[19:45] <irannaked> # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
[19:45] <irannaked> # nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (buildd@palmer)  Mon Nov  3 08:46:46 UTC 2008
[19:45] <irannaked> Section "ServerLayout"
[19:45] <irannaked>     Identifier     "Layout0"
[19:45] <irannaked>     Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
[19:45] <irannaked>     InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
[19:45] <irannaked>     InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
[19:45] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:45] <irannaked> Section "Files"
[19:45] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:45] <x_link> More organized or something like that, don't know how to really explain it.
[19:45] <irannaked> Section "Module"
[19:45] <Pconfig> irannaked, don't flood the channel please
[19:45] <irannaked>     Load           "dbe"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Load           "extmod"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Load           "type1"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Load           "freetype"
[19:46] <x_link> irannaked: Use pastebin.
[19:46] <irannaked>     Load           "glx"
[19:46] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:46] <irannaked> Section "ServerFlags"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Option         "Xinerama" "0"
[19:46] <x_link> irannaked: Read!
[19:46] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:46] <irannaked> Section "InputDevice"
[19:46] <Pconfig> surgy: glad you like it :D
[19:46] <irannaked>     # generated from default
[19:46] <irannaked>     Identifier     "Mouse0"
[19:46] <xiong> yeh, i'd find pastebin more useful too
[19:46] <irannaked>     Driver         "mouse"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Option         "Protocol" "auto"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Option         "Device" "/dev/psaux"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[19:46] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:46] <irannaked> Section "InputDevice"
[19:46] <irannaked>     # generated from default
[19:46] <irannaked>     Identifier     "Keyboard0"
[19:46] <irannaked>     Driver         "kbd"
[19:46] <Pconfig> xiong: this guide should work
[19:46] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:46] <irannaked> Section "Monitor"
[19:46] <irannaked>     # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid
[19:46] <Pconfig> http://www.shahidhussain.com/blog/?p=12
[19:46] <irannaked>     Identifier     "Monitor0"
[19:46] <mefisto__> ouch
[19:46] <irannaked>     VendorName     "Unknown"
[19:46] <irannaked>     ModelName      "ViewSonic VA1912wSERIES"
[19:46] <irannaked>     HorizSync       30.0 - 82.0
[19:46] <irannaked>     VertRefresh     50.0 - 85.0
[19:47] <irannaked>     Option         "DPMS"
[19:47] <xiong> the trouble with using an xorg.conf file from somebody else is that it is highly specific
[19:47] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:47] <irannaked> Section "Device"
[19:47] <irannaked>     Identifier     "Device0"
[19:47] <irannaked>     Driver         "nvidia"
[19:47] <irannaked>     VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
[19:47] <x_link> irannaked: Can't you read?
[19:47] <irannaked>     BoardName      "GeForce 7800 GT"
[19:47] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:47] <irannaked> Section "Screen"
[19:47] <irannaked>     Identifier     "Screen0"
[19:47] <irannaked>     Device         "Device0"
[19:47] <irannaked>     Monitor        "Monitor0"
[19:47] <x_link> Looks like he doesn't care ;D
[19:47] <Pconfig> ./kick
[19:47] <irannaked>     DefaultDepth    24
[19:47] <Pconfig> :p
[19:47] <irannaked>     Option         "TwinView" "0"
[19:47] <irannaked>     Option         "metamodes" "1440x900_60 +0+0"
[19:47] <irannaked>     SubSection     "Display"
[19:47] <irannaked>         Depth       24
[19:47] <irannaked>     EndSubSection
[19:47] <irannaked> EndSection
[19:47] <EagleScreen> !paste | irannaked
[19:47] <irannaked> crap, my bad people
[19:47] <irannaked> i wanted to show xiong my conf file so he can edit his
[19:48] <surgy> i have a ntf partition that mounts fine  it just requires a password to mount. therefor amarok and vlc cant access my media collection automaticly. i assume this is a permissions problem. I want me and all of my programs to have 100% access to this partition all the time. how do i do this? im using kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2
[19:48] <revourbis_> Maybe someone could help me here... I can't get Amarok to play mp3's or internet radio stations :( Is this common?
[19:48] <x_link> irannaked: You must pastebin that, not copy/paste to the channel, not that many lines
[19:48] <surgy> dam irannaked leave room for us to talk
[19:48] <irannaked> thanks for the link
[19:48] <x_link> surgy: Hehehe
[19:48] <irannaked> ok shut up now
[19:48] <irannaked> fags
[19:48] <x_link> irannaked: ?
[19:48] <irannaked> once is plent to reread over 15 times
[19:48] <Pconfig> revourbis: did you install the correct packages?
[19:48] <irannaked> i dont see the point on resaying it
[19:49] <x_link> You expect to get help when you talk like that?
[19:49] <surgy> can anyone help me? do i just "sudo chmod +RWX /media/drive" ?
[19:49] <irannaked> i dont need help i AM the one helping
[19:49] <x_link> Good for you.
[19:49] <surgy> looks like your being a nuesense
[19:49] <Pconfig> surgy: chmod 777 /media/drive should work
[19:49] <Pconfig> sudo*
[19:50] <Pconfig> i assume it does the same as RWX ;)
[19:50] <irannaked> sudo apt-install kde-desktop
[19:50] <irannaked> try it
[19:50] <surgy> Pconfig: thank you, and will that permanently set the permision level to that mount point? or will it reset when i log out?
[19:50] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop
[19:50] <mefisto__> surgy: is this ntfs? and how is it mounted? is it in fstab?
[19:50] <Pconfig> surgy: it will probably reset
[19:50] <x_link> It's called "kubuntu-desktop"
[19:50] <bazhang> !info kde-desktop
[19:51] <surgy> mefisto__: i honestly have no idea, it was mounted by defualt which is nice, just requires root access to read or write
[19:51] <bazhang> !info kubuntu-desktop
[19:51] <irannaked> thats what i ment
[19:51] <Pconfig> surgy: NFS mounted by default?
[19:51] <mefisto__> Pconfig: I think that was meant to be ntfs
[19:51] <surgy> Pconfig: yes sir 8.10 is the shit
[19:52] <irannaked> here;s the site i was just one
[19:52] <irannaked> http://www.debianadmin.com/install-kde-desktop-in-ubuntu.html
[19:52] <irannaked> for all your kde needs
[19:52] <bazhang> surgy, please watch the language here
[19:52] <jussi01> !ohmy | surgy
[19:52] <yusniel> Hi my friends, I have a problem. I need to convert a avi video to 3gp video for my cell phone.
[19:52] <xiong> Pconfig: looking at that page
[19:52] <xiong> think i saw it before
[19:52] <irannaked> google search ".avi to .3gp linux"
[19:52] <irannaked> noob
[19:52] <xiong> i've googled this problem hard
[19:53] <Pconfig> xiong: did you try it?
[19:53] <bazhang> irannaked, please dont use that term here
[19:53] <xiong> trouble is, no one solution is pointed to by all pages
[19:53] <surgy> my bad
[19:53] <irannaked> what term? search....
[19:53] <xiong> rather, everyone seems to have a slightly different fix
[19:53] <yusniel> I am using ffmpeg but this command try this mistake Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0
[19:53] <bazhang> !noob
[19:53] <irannaked> lame
[19:53] <Pici> irannaked: This is a support channel, and thats not helpful.
[19:53] <surgy> any ideas on how to give it permanent RWX forever even after reboot?
[19:53] <coreymon77> what in the world is 3gp, i have never heard of that format before?
[19:53] <irannaked> reminds me of the winblows xp chat room i was once in
[19:53] <xiong> i've tried several; what with re-editing, rebooting, and getting out of the bad corners, seems to take about 20 min to check out one of these
[19:53] <xiong> "solutions"
[19:54] <irannaked> 3gp is the format your cell phones video camera uses'
[19:54] <yusniel> and this is the command ffmpeg -i cama.avi -s qcif -r 12 -ac 1 -ar 8000 -b 30 -ab 12 ArchivoSalida.3gp
[19:54] <coreymon77> irannaked: this is irc, not aol or msn chatrooms, the rules are slightly different here, thats all
[19:54] <enig> quick question. how do i change to root in console.? whasn't it sudu su?
[19:54] <Pconfig> surgy: well i have no clue how filesystems get mounted automaticly if they're not in fstab
[19:54] <irannaked> no enig
[19:54] <bazhang> enig, dont use that
[19:54] <coreymon77> enig: the command is sudo -s
[19:54] <bazhang> enig, use sudo
[19:54] <irannaked> system>admin>login screen
[19:54] <coreymon77> just stick with sudo though
[19:54] <coreymon77> its safer
[19:55] <irannaked> i ment window
[19:55] <xiong> Pconfig: i'm going to try again
[19:55] <irannaked> sudo su doesnt work correctly
[19:55] <xiong> see you in a half hour
[19:55] <blahjake> what's the problem with sudo su -?
[19:55] <yusniel> any idea?
[19:55] <enig> oh ok. because i have to mount the hard drives everytime
[19:55] <Pconfig> xiong: Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" <== this line is important
[19:55] <irannaked> you can LOGIN to your root account
[19:55] <coreymon77> irannaked: thats just dumb
[19:55] <bazhang> !noroot
[19:55] <bazhang> irannaked, ^^
[19:55] <enig> i tried to put the lines on fstab but they still don't mount
[19:56] <Pconfig> xiong: before rebooting, paste your xorg file on pastebin and let me check
[19:56] <irannaked> in the security tab select allow  local system admin login
[19:56] <surgy> Pconfig: it might be in the fstab, whats the directory to the fstab again? is it /etc/x11/fstab ?
[19:56] <yusniel> yes, 3gp is the format
[19:56] <irannaked> wow you guys are fucking idiots!
[19:56] <Pconfig> suryg: /etc/fstab
[19:56] <enig> ^^
[19:56] <irannaked> FUCKING BIG IDIOTS!
[19:56] <bazhang> irannaked, watch the language
[19:56] <coreymon77> !ops
[19:56] <surgy> Pconfig: ok
[19:56] <coreymon77> thank you
[19:56] <bazhang> !blkid
[19:57] <revourbis_> I've been disconnected serveral times because of my ISP so, I'm sorry for repeating, does any one know how to solve the amarok not playing mp3's problem?
[19:57] <bazhang> revourbis_, did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:57] <Pconfig> revourbis_: have you installed the right packages?
[19:57] <surgy> Pconfig: http://pastebin.com/m5ac5eb79 thats my fstab
[19:58] <mefisto__> revourbis_: you should have got a message from amarok about installing the non-free codecs (needed for mp3 playback)
[19:58] <revourbis_> non free codecs?
[19:58] <coreymon77> non open source
[19:58] <Pconfig> surgy: it's not in there :|
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[19:59] <EagleScreen> yes revourbis, you have to install a package called "kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[19:59] <enig> Oh and does anyone know why is movie playback skipping about 30 to 40 percent of frames?  it's the same on Kaffeine and Dragon PLayer!
[19:59] <surgy> Pconfig: blkid gives me this line "/dev/sda5: UUID="3C9C294F9C2904CC" TYPE="ntfs""
[19:59] <marcel> i need some help...
[20:00] <uga> revourbis: by default ubuntu doesn't install any codecs that are patent encumbered (non-free)
[20:00] <uga> revourbis: so folow EagleScreen's suggestion and install that pack
[20:00] <coreymon77> !ask | marcel
[20:00] <Pconfig> ubottu seems to know alot :p
[20:00] <marcel> i try sudo apt-get -f install sun-java6-jdk | but the instalion process is blocked - what shoul i do ??
[20:01] <coreymon77> why are you using -f install?
[20:01] <surgy> marcel: log out and back in and try again
[20:01] <EagleScreen> marcel blocked by..?
[20:01] <Pconfig> surgy: i have no idea, sorry
[20:01] <marcel> i have no ideea
[20:01] <surgy> can anyone else help me to permanently give RWX permisions to my allready mounted NFS partition?
[20:01] <EagleScreen> marcel do u obtain any error or report?
[20:02] <marcel> Unpacking sun-java6-bin (from /sun-java6-bin6-100ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[20:02] <EagleScreen> surgy may be in /etc/fstab options
[20:02] <marcel> an i wait 1 hour ....
[20:02] <surgy> EagleScreen: the partition isnt even in my fstab, yet its mounted....
[20:02] <revourbis_> Now Amarok tells me that Xine engine claims that it cannot play mp3 files but in the configure screen there is no other engine but xine... what now? :-s
[20:02] <mefisto__> !ntfs-config
[20:02] <marcel> so much time spend the installation process ?
[20:03] <EagleScreen> surgy do you have that permissions in the whole partition? (all files and folders)
[20:03] <mefisto__> surgy: try installing ntfs-config. (but I'm not sure if it's in intrepid)
[20:03] <EagleScreen> * do you want?
[20:04] <Pconfig> mefisto__: it is, i just checked, worked for me before (didn't need it in intrepid though)
[20:04] <surgy> EagleScreen: only sudo has permision to RWX. which is making it inconveniant to store my media library there, since it prompts for sudo PW everytime amarok needs to access my music directory
[20:04] <EagleScreen> mefisto__ it said NFS not NTFS
[20:04] <Pconfig> EagleScreen:  <surgy> Pconfig: blkid gives me this line "/dev/sda5: UUID="3C9C294F9C2904CC" TYPE="ntfs""
[20:05] <EagleScreen> surgy are you talking about a NFS or NTFS partition?
[20:05] <mefisto__> EagleScreen: I think it was NTF, which I think is ntfs
[20:05] <surgy> EagleScreen: NTFS sorry
[20:05] <revourbis_> Now Amarok tells me that Xine engine claims that it cannot play mp3 files but in the configure screen there is no other engine but xine... what now? :-s
[20:06] <EagleScreen> surgy it should be easy
[20:06] <bitmonster> can anyone tell me how to install mkinitrd?
[20:06] <Pconfig> revourbis_: did you install that package?
[20:06] <surgy> revourbis_: the only package you need for amarok mp3 is "libxine-plugins-all"
[20:06] <EagleScreen> surgy be sure you have ntfs-3g installed
[20:07] <surgy> EagleScreen: i allready "sudo chmod 777 [mount point]" but wont that reset when i log out ?
[20:07] <mefisto__> surgy: put this line in your fstab: /dev/sda5 /media/<the-mountpoint-you-want> ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_AU.UTF-8 0 0
[20:07] <surgy> mefisto__: and install ntfs-3g and it should be fixed?
[20:07] <mefisto__> surgy: replace the locale and mountpoint with whatever you need, and make sure the mountpoint exists
[20:08] <surgy> mefisto__: and what exactly is the "locale" ?
[20:08] <revourbis_> I've found "Xine extra plugins" but I cannot click it it appears in grey on the list.
[20:08] <mefisto__> surgy: your language/location
[20:08] <mefisto__> surgy: eg, I'm using en_AU because I'm in australia
[20:09] <surgy> revourbis_: open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install libxine-plugins-all" and press enter and install that then restart amarok
[20:09] <EagleScreen> locale=es_ES.UTF-8 for Spanish (Spain), en_US.UTF-8 for English (USA)...
[20:09] <surgy> mefisto__: ah got ya
[20:09] <EagleScreen> select your language and country code
[20:09] <revourbis_> Ok thanks, one second then...
[20:09] <surgy> revourbis_: leave out the "" though
[20:09] <mefisto__> surgy: ntfs-config does all this for you, so install that too and just find NTFS config tool in the kmenu
[20:10] <EagleScreen> ntfs-config is an option
[20:10] <revourbis_> E: Couldn't find package libxine-plugins-all
[20:10] <surgy> mefisto__: ok so the easy route is to install ntfs-3g and ntfs-config and then use the gui provided?
[20:10] <EagleScreen> yes, ntfs-config edit /etc/fstab for you
[20:10] <shawn__> hello I was wondering if anyone has some tips on how to get thumbnail previews working for videos in dolphin?
[20:10] <surgy> revourbis_: sorry i told you wrong
[20:10] <revourbis_> No problem.
[20:10] <surgy> revourbis_: use this " sudo apt-get install libxine1-all-plugins "
[20:11] <mefisto__> surgy: ntfs-config is impossible to get wrong. you could do it in your sleep
[20:11] <surgy> mefisto__: will do, but those two are sepperate toold and i need both right?
[20:11] <Pconfig> revourbig_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras  <== this will install other video support and stuff too
[20:11] <surgy> revourbis_: make sure you completely close amarok and reopen it after you install that package and you will have mp3 support
[20:11] <Pconfig> surgy: ntfs-3g should already be installed, it's the driver
[20:12] <surgy> Pconfig: ok kewl
[20:12] <shawn__> ah?
[20:12] <mefisto__> surgy: ntfs-3g is needed to mount and use ntfs filesystems, ntfs-config is just to set up fstab and mountpoints, etc
[20:12] <revourbis_> Damn it gives me somekind of error related to sun java dependency...
[20:12] <surgy> lol
[20:12] <mefisto__> surgy: you could remove ntfs-config after it's set up if you want
[20:13] <surgy> mefisto__: the drive is alrleady mounted and writable
[20:13] <mefisto__> surgy: well it must be installed by default on intrepid. I'm on hardy still
[20:13] <surgy> i just have to manually mount it as root before amarok can access it which is a pain
[20:13] <Pconfig> shawn__: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3094820
[20:14] <shawn__> thanks I'll give that a look
[20:14]  * revourbis_ Be right back.
[20:14] <surgy> revourbis_: sounds like you have a whole list of problems then, i dont remember the command for rebuilding all deps
[20:16] <shawn__> Pconfig: I have already installed mplayerthumbs, still no luck
[20:17] <surgy> on a different note anyone know a good site where i can shop around for widgets? i kindof want a weather widget
[20:17] <mefisto__> surgy: there is kweather-kde4, but it doesn't work for me :(
[20:18] <surgy> shawn__: get the restricte-extra package i think that has something to do with how some file associations interact
[20:18] <surgy> mefisto your on hardy though, is it in the repos?
[20:18] <Pconfig> surgy, mefisto__: it works on kde 4.2
[20:19] <surgy> Pconfig: i took your advice and moved to kde 4.2 i am thoroughly impressed
[20:19] <mefisto__> surgy: I installed kde4 from a ppa repo. lots of things don't work
[20:19] <shawn__> I already have kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:19] <Pconfig> mefisto__: you could always embed some html applet in a konquerer widget?
[20:19] <surgy> mefisto__: get the 8.10 disk image with kde 4.1 from kubuntu.com and then use the "experimental" repo for kde 4.2 works perfect!
[20:20] <mefisto__> surgy: I don't want to lose kde3.5 though
[20:20] <Pconfig> shawn__: does it show no thumbs at all?
[20:20] <xiong> Pconfig: i have tried the solution listed
[20:20] <naspar> hei
[20:20] <surgy> mefisto__: ahhh
[20:21] <Pconfig> xiong: sounds like it didn't work?
[20:21] <shawn__> for images and such it does just no videos
[20:21] <xiong> with the mod that i left out 1400x1050 -- too ambitious, i think
[20:21] <xiong> i just tried 1024x768 at depth 24
[20:21] <xiong> no dice
[20:21] <naspar> ciao a tutti
[20:21] <emanuele> ciao
[20:21] <Pconfig> xiong: please past your xorg.conf file on pastebin
[20:21] <gorgonzola> hello... culd someone please explain to me how i can instal a jaunty package under intrepid?
[20:21] <xiong> completely ignored the change; i'm now getting 1024x768 at depth 16
[20:22] <naspar> volevo sapere se qualcuno poteva risponderemi ad una domanda .. e' possibile scaricare qui come si fa su windows ? (mirc) ?
[20:22] <naspar> grazie :)
[20:22] <mefisto__> surgy: ntfs-config will make it easy. good luck. bye
[20:22] <Pici> !it | naspar
[20:22] <gorgonzola> (was there some big update to fglrx/xorg/kernel that we've seen all this xorg conf problems today???)
[20:22] <xiong> ...working...
[20:26] <xiong> Pconfig: this, xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m158eee46
[20:27] <naspar> thnak you ubottu
[20:27] <naspar> hello to everybody, i would like to know if is there any programs to donwload files such as mirco for windows ? thanky for any answer .. :)
[20:28] <xiong> Pconfig: and this, the resulting log file output: http://pastebin.com/m3f448bc6
[20:28] <Pconfig> xiong: care to explain why you have that much display groups?
[20:28] <xiong> um, copied from elsewhere
[20:28] <xiong> see comments at top of file
[20:28] <PovAddict> when somebody messages me on MSN, Kopete tray icon starts spinning
[20:29] <gorgonzola> naspar: you mean an irc client? Like mIRC?
[20:29] <PovAddict> when I click the spinning icon, 2 out of 3 times, the chat window from the one who messaged me opens
[20:29] <xiong> the default kubuntu install creates an almost entirely empty xorg.conf
[20:29] <naspar> yeah ..
[20:29] <PovAddict> 1 our of 3, *X crashes*
[20:29] <PovAddict> out*
[20:29] <naspar> sorry .. i did wrong . .the right name is mirc
[20:29] <xiong> ...which seems to work pretty good, considering
[20:29] <gorgonzola> mmm, konverstino? what are you using now?
[20:29] <gorgonzola> konversation*
[20:29] <xiong> i assume it all defaults to something, somewhere deep inside...
[20:29] <naspar> i just back from windows and wanted to install something look like mirc
[20:29] <naspar> with the same funtionality
[20:30] <surgy> kweather definately crashes the plasma dashboard every time
[20:30] <Pconfig> xiong: it says you have a ati graphics card but you don't have the drivers installed?
[20:30] <Pconfig> you can't just copy one's file
[20:30] <naspar> konversatoin .. ok .. but is possibvle to add server such as puffolandia or excalibur ?
[20:30] <xiong> Pconfig: shall i simply delete all other depth subsections? or change default depth?
[20:30] <Pconfig> i would type this in cmd if i where you
[20:30] <PovAddict> naspar: of course, what use would be an IRC client if you can't connect to any server?
[20:31] <xiong> we already worked over that driver issue, didn't we?
[20:31] <Pconfig> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[20:31] <xiong> don't have the first notion where to get it
[20:31] <xiong> i have already got that trick
[20:31] <Pconfig> xiong, normally ubuntu detects what driver you need but in your case it doesn't which i find strange
[20:31] <xiong> when i do it, it erases my xorg.conf entirely and replaces it with a blank one
[20:31] <marcreichelt> hi there
[20:31] <naspar> :)
[20:31] <naspar> u right
[20:31] <Pconfig> yes, that's a good start ;)
[20:32] <marcreichelt> what is the most desireable way to install OpenOffice 3.0 on Kubuntu 8.04?
[20:32] <xiong> i don't follow
[20:32] <naspar> ok, i dont know how but right trying to connnect to sdome channel
[20:32] <naspar> thank you ;)
[20:32] <xiong> i can delete the existing file at any time
[20:32] <xiong> i have climbed over that bar
[20:32] <PovAddict> naspar: press F2 :)
[20:32] <xiong> i consider this all to be madness
[20:32] <marcreichelt> is there a repository available for OOo 3.0?
[20:32] <naspar> hahaha .. really . .so simple ?
[20:32] <naspar> omg
[20:33] <PovAddict> click New and add some stuff
[20:33] <xiong> i don't even see a menu or tab or anything in the system settings/display module for screen depth
[20:33] <xiong> why is this all so hard?
[20:33] <PovAddict> you can set up autojoin channels for each server too
[20:33] <xiong> is there no tool available for directly changing screen resolution and depth? something i could work?
[20:33] <naspar> thaaaanku PovAddict
[20:34] <xiong> there is no feedback when fooling with this config file
[20:34] <Pconfig> xiong: for some reason i think there's something wrong with your drivers
[20:34] <PovAddict> Xorg backtrace when crashing usually has only three entries, and they don't seem useful...
[20:34] <kaddi> marcreichelt: i just had a look at my repositories
[20:34] <xiong> it is just shouting different stuff and hoping to get lucky
[20:34] <PovAddict> is X doing something fancy with crash handling that causes a useless backtrace?
[20:34] <xiong> you say, something wrong with my drivers -- how to fix??
[20:35] <kaddi> seems to be in the main packages, so you should be able to find it with adept/apt-get/aptitude
[20:35] <Pconfig> xiong: you need to make sure which graphics chip is in your laptop first
[20:35] <marcreichelt> kaddi: on Ubuntu 8.04?
[20:35] <micettonero> hi, i've a problem with kopete and msn
[20:36] <xiong> Pconfig: wait, i have downloaded a hardware prober
[20:36] <tarimari> xiong: krandrtray ?
[20:36] <tarimari> hi guys
[20:36]  * revourbis_ Back.
[20:36] <kaddi> marcreichelt: no, im on 8.10,
[20:36] <marcreichelt> k
[20:36] <micettonero> kopete seems to connect to the server but it show all my contacts as offline
[20:36] <micettonero> with kmess i haven't any problem
[20:37] <mohbana> hi, do i install KDE 4 on ubuntun
[20:37] <mohbana> gnome
[20:37] <xiong> tarimari: okay, this is one of the big problems i have with linux altogether
[20:37] <gorgonzola> mohbana: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:37] <tarimari> kde 4.2 will be released tomorrow.  when do u think it will be available at backports for intrepid, or updates for intrepid.  OR when do u think it will be available at kubuntu-experimental ppa?  if today i install dke 4.2rc1, will i have normal upgrade later to kde 4.2?
[20:37] <xiong> it seems that stuff has phoney public names and real secret names
[20:38] <xiong> you said, "krandtray" and i thought you meant something new and powerful
[20:38] <xiong> but that is just the true name of the display panel from system settings
[20:38] <gorgonzola> xiong: actually, the name of the real thing is XrandR
[20:39] <gorgonzola> xiong krandrtray is just a fronte end.
[20:39] <tarimari> actually xrandr works better than krandrtray
[20:39] <gorgonzola> tarimari: i have never been able to get any of them to work at all
[20:39] <gorgonzola> :(
[20:39] <xiong> this is very frustrating
[20:40] <kaddi> marcreichelt: i found this howto which might make you happy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=982652
[20:40] <tarimari> it depends the graphic card etc, how much lucky you are, how many months you spend on it , how much patience you have to wait..
[20:40] <marcreichelt> k, thanks
[20:40] <kaddi> it's seems that it is not in the repositories for 8.04 (i actually missed the "3" the first time i read your post ;) )
[20:40] <tarimari> anyone know about when kde 4.2 will be ported at intrepid?
[20:40] <gorgonzola> could someone please explain to me how i can install jaunty packages under intrepid?
[20:41] <tarimari> any kde 4.2 packager here?
[20:41] <tarimari> gorgonzola: you want single packages or upgrade totally?
[20:41] <xiong> Pconfig: okay, here goes
[20:41] <gorgonzola> tariamri: i want only one package. intrepid is at version 1.4,5 jaunty has v 1.4.7, i was instructed by upstream to try that before bitching about some bug :)
[20:42] <mohbana> are you certain of the command gorgonzola
[20:42] <Pconfig> tarimari: ping JontheEchidna
[20:42] <tarimari> thanks Pconfig
[20:42] <Pconfig> he was here an hour ago ;)
[20:42] <gorgonzola> mohbana: yes. that will install a meta package that depends on the compelte kde desktop. after that, tyou should have the option of launching either KD or GNome as desktop.
[20:43] <tarimari> gorgonzola: one way is to google search for packages.ubuntu.com or something, then download the coresponding package for jaunty, save it at desktop and double click it
[20:43] <xiong> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02): Subsystem: Dell Device 00bl
[20:43] <alonea> I am still having some issues with my touchpad. If I so much as graze it while typing my cursor gets moved or some text pasted.
[20:43] <tarimari> the other way is to add jaunty repos, install the package, and remove it
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> tarimari: 4.1.96 (4.2 RC1) packages are already available, see the kubuntu.org website. 4.2 packages should be available tomorrow at the earliest
[20:43] <alonea> since we moved to hal, the old stuff doesn't work anymore and I am lost on how to fix it
[20:43] <gorgonzola> tarimari: ok, i thought it would be something lie that, but i was wondering if there was some way to do it "from within" apt
[20:45] <revourbis_> Question: I have KDE 3, would it be hard to upgrade to KDE 4?
[20:45] <shawn__> yay got video thumbnails working in dolphin, had to install mplayerthumbs 1.1, the one included with intrepid wasn't working
[20:45] <gorgonzola> revourbis: without upgrading to intrepid?
[20:45] <revourbis_> Sorry linux newbie here... intrepid?
[20:45] <Pconfig> xiong: seems like you're not the only one with problems :s
[20:46] <xiong> no, not at all
[20:46] <gorgonzola> revourbis: are you using kubuntu?
[20:46] <revourbis_> Yes.
[20:46] <xiong> the C600/X problem seems to be very common (that is, all users)
[20:46] <xiong> there's plenty of talk about it -- many pages, i've been reading for weeks
[20:47] <gorgonzola> revourbis_ intrepid is the codename of kubuntu 8.10. if you are in kubuntu and are not in kde, then chances are you are on hardy heron (8.04) or previous.
[20:47] <Pconfig> xiong: it's hard to help you with this as i didn't have this problem myself (other card and such) so your only hope is to find the correct guide :(
[20:47] <xiong> the infuriating thing is that all solutions given are different and none work for me
[20:47] <Pconfig> xiong: it's frustrating, but with newer cards this is fixed
[20:47] <Pconfig> xiong: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/warty/+source/xorg/+bug/29970 did you try this one?
[20:47] <gorgonzola> revourbis_ the easiest way to get kde 4, is to follow the upgrade path, and move on to intrepid, howver, this might no be what you want.
[20:47] <xiong> why is there no simple straightforward utility that allows you to do video stuff directly?
[20:48] <Pconfig> xiong: it all has to do with metamodes
[20:48] <xiong> like SwitchRes?
[20:48] <Pconfig> xiong: like a said, the driver for those cards are outdated
[20:48] <gorgonzola> revourbis_ as hardy heron (i'm asuming you are on tht) is much more stable, being a "long term suport" release.
[20:48] <Pconfig> xiong: graphics card drivers under linux only recently got alot of attention from the manufacterers
[20:48] <coreymon77> afaik hardy is not an lts for the kubuntu release
[20:48] <mohbana> what's a display manager?
[20:48] <gorgonzola> xiong: 'coz Xorg is a steaming pile of messy spagheti code, of inmense complexity.
[20:48] <xiong> http://www.madrau.com/html/SRX/About.html
[20:48] <mohbana> gdm or kde
[20:49] <mohbana> i want gnome ... shall i use gdm
[20:49] <xiong> i have been using the os 9 version of switchres for two years, controlling all sorts of monitors, often two at a time
[20:49] <gorgonzola> mohbana: a display manager is the program that launches the desktop. Gdm is gnome's display maanegr
[20:49] <revourbis_> So you suggest I stick to this one?
[20:49] <xiong> doesn't matter what it is, i can fool around with it -- try different resolutions and depths on the fly and see which work
[20:49] <coreymon77> mohbana: in other words, you can still run kde through gdm
[20:49] <xiong> and lock out the ones that don't
[20:49] <xiong> stupid simple
[20:50] <gorgonzola> mohbana :kdm is kde's. both whould work with either desktop. if you are on ubuntu, gdm will be in line with the overall look of the system and splash screen
[20:50] <alonea> anyone know where touchpad options are?
[20:50] <coreymon77> mohbana: the main noticeable difference between kdm and gdm are the login screens
[20:50] <xiong> will someone just tell me honestly if linux still requires an MSCS to use??
[20:50] <PSiL0> !mouse
[20:50] <gorgonzola> mohbana, in any case, choose gdm if that is what you are confortable with, and you can always try kdm later. changing that is really easy and harmless.
[20:50] <mohbana> ok thanks alot gorgonizer et. al
[20:51] <xiong> is there a distro where i can just jam in the disk, follow the prompts, and get a working system out of it in a few days?
[20:51] <gorgonzola> revourbis: that depends a lot on your preferences. if you really want kde 4, and intend to stick with kubuntu, then you should by all means upgrade to intrepid, as this release includes kde 4 by default.
[20:51] <coreymon77> xiong: a few days?! since when does it take that long anymore
[20:52] <xiong> i'm patient. a few hours would be better
[20:52] <alonea> PSiL0: don't need extra mouse buttons..I need touchpad options. I sometimes see reference to a touchpad tab, but have yto see thiset
[20:52] <xiong> i've been trying to get kubuntu up for over a month
[20:52] <xiong> before that, i wrestled unsuccessfully with suse for about two months
[20:52] <PSiL0> alonea: That was for my reference ;)
[20:52] <xiong> i'm extremely angry and disappointed
[20:52] <alonea> ah ok, sorry
[20:52] <coreymon77> the last time any linux distro took me a few days to get working was back when i was still using wifi cards with broadcom chips
[20:52] <gorgonzola> revourbis: however, if you want a rock-stable system, where everything is tested thoroughly and the bugs are minimun, but without newwer fetures, stay on hardy. Personlly, i upgrade to current release as soon as i can, but that's me
[20:52] <PSiL0> alonea: I'm trying to map a button on my mouse lol
[20:52] <Pconfig> xiong: btw ctrl+alt+backspace works aswell :p
[20:52] <coreymon77> xiong: whats the matter
[20:53] <Pconfig> instead of rebooting
[20:53] <PSiL0> alonea: As for touchpad options -> to disable: sudo rmmod psmouse; to enable: sudo modprobe psmouse...
[20:53] <xiong> coreymon77: in a word, i don't understand any of this stuff and i don't think it works well even for those who do understand
[20:54] <xiong> the screen is bad, the
[20:54] <alonea> PSiL0: and then where is the touchpad settings tab at?
[20:54] <xiong> K menu is hard to configure, "dolphin" is strange and difficult, and it seems that everything takes a very long time
[20:54] <coreymon77> xiong: okay, first thing, calm down
[20:55] <xiong> this C600 is a P3; that is not the latest and greatest but neither is it an antique
[20:55] <xiong> 750MHz processor
[20:55] <xiong> there is no reason for everything to run so godawfully slow
[20:55] <coreymon77> xiong: linux distros take a little time to learn
[20:56] <coreymon77> xiong: and you have to expect stuff to be strange, its different than what you have been using before
[20:56] <alonea> xiong: which kubuntu version are you trying to run?
[20:56] <coreymon77> i assume you came from windows?
[20:56] <Pconfig> xiong: try vista on it and slow will get a new dimension for you :o
[20:56] <xiong> coreymon77: i'm as calm as i ever get
[20:56] <gorgonzola> xiong: besides, what you are trying to do is not an easy feat in my experience... reviving old hardware requires a lot of patienec :)
[20:56] <xiong> this is not a new crisis after all
[20:56] <xiong> i do *not* come from windoz
[20:56] <coreymon77> xiong: how old is the computer?
[20:57] <xiong> i'm the last mac os 9 user on the planet
[20:57] <alonea> xiong: with that old of hardware, I would go for kde3, not 4. 4 isn't made for that P3.
[20:57] <coreymon77> wait a minute?
[20:57] <xiong> the dell latitude C600 was new in 2001
[20:57] <revourbis_> This OS is great and everything but was it that hard to integrate out of the box mp3 playback...?
[20:57] <revourbis_> I'm tinkering with it for almost an hour...
[20:57] <gorgonzola> xiong: yaeh, me too. i got a p4@2.4 and is not exactly flying...
[20:57] <coreymon77> os 9? but werent macs still powerpc computers back then?
[20:57] <gorgonzola> revrubis_ that's a legal issue :)
[20:57] <Pconfig> revourbis_: ubuntu purist rules..
[20:57] <xiong> yes, they were
[20:58] <revourbis_> You gotta be kidding.
[20:58] <gorgonzola> revourbis_ and ideological, if you want it. but mainly legal: mp3 is patented. you can't distribute it as such
[20:58] <xiong> i get extremely respectable speed from a PPC running at 300 MHz under os 9
[20:58] <alonea> xiong: and computers are considered out of date usually within a year or two.
[20:58] <gorgonzola> revourbis_ no, not really.
[20:58] <xiong> that PPC is about 15 years old and works great
[20:58] <xiong> beige G3
[20:59] <revourbis_> Aw well...
[20:59] <coreymon77> ya, ppc linux distros arent exactly all that well supported anymore, they were also kinda buggy
[20:59] <xiong> but i'm not here to boost mac -- i'm switching to linux because, no matter how great os 9 *was*, it is no more
[20:59] <xiong> so the mac is in storage and now i have the dell laptop
[20:59] <alonea> xiong: so download kubuntu 8.04 if you havent and use that instead of 8.10
[21:00] <gorgonzola> xiong: i'd say tht a g3 is more box than a p3 any time. In any case, you have enough hardware to run kunbuntu, but probably your hardware specs are not that standard. believe me, i have tried to get a p3 running newer stuff, and its incredible how old stuff ets unsupported...
[21:00] <xiong> and kubuntu and a huge bottle of aspirin
[21:00] <coreymon77> xiong: with an old computer like that, i suggest against using kde4
[21:00] <xiong> 8.04, eh?
[21:00] <revourbis_> And is there any way around it...? I would really like to listen to some music while tinkering with kubuntu here and there.
[21:00] <Tm_T> coreymon77: why?
[21:00] <alonea> xiong: yes, that has kde3
[21:00] <xiong> 8.04 uses kde3
[21:00] <xiong> hmm
[21:01] <gorgonzola> coreymon77: plsease develop :)
[21:01] <xiong> okay; new question
[21:01] <gorgonzola> your idea that is
[21:01] <Pconfig> revourbis_: it still doesn't work? :o
[21:01] <xiong> one strategy that served me well for about 20 years was to have several different bootable hard drives in the same machine
[21:01] <alonea> xiong: which will run fine. kde4 needs more up to date hardware. dont take offense to this, but you could get a new laptop for really cheap these days.
[21:01] <gorgonzola> revourbis: what do you mean? you got no mp3 support? didn't amarok compain about that and offered to download the codecs?
[21:02] <revourbis_> No not really.
[21:02] <alonea> xiong: but for your current laptop you should be good with that version. i gotta go. ja
[21:02] <revourbis_> I'm trying to get Audacious to run now...
[21:02] <coreymon77> gorgonzola: kde4 requires better hardware
[21:02] <xiong> can i do this with linux? download and set up a new distro without ditching the old one?
[21:02] <revourbis_> I've had it back on Puppy Linux and I liked it.
[21:02] <kaddi> how can i get virtualbox to see the ".virtualbox"-folder in which it saves the virtual machines? how can i show "hidden" folders
[21:02] <coreymon77> gorgonzola: plus, when first learning to use linux, kde 3 is much more stable and reliable, plus easier to use
[21:02] <Tm_T> xiong: ofcourse
[21:02] <gorgonzola> coreymon: kde3 o 4? i thought you suggested im to go with 4...
[21:02] <revourbis_> I mean it runs, it gets the music in it's playlist but on play... does nothing at all.
[21:02] <gorgonzola> oooh, ok. you mistypedit above, and suggested kde4.
[21:02] <Pconfig> revourbis_: but amarok still doesn't play mp3?
[21:02] <revourbis_> Nope.
[21:03] <Pconfig> so what did installing "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" give you?
[21:03] <xiong> Tm_T: how?
[21:03] <gorgonzola> xiong: no. a distro is an opertaing system. kubuntu is a distro.
[21:03] <revourbis_> Well it installed that's sure.
[21:03] <coreymon77> gorgonzola: no, read what i said, i suggest AGAINST using kde4
[21:03] <Pconfig> and what does amarok say now?
[21:03] <Tm_T> coreymon77: I repeat, why?
[21:03] <gorgonzola> coreymon77: ok, my bad :P
[21:04] <shawn__> maybe you need libxine1-ffmpeg revourbis_ ... I did
[21:04] <Tm_T> xiong: just install them in their own partitions, GRUB should be able to handle them just fine
[21:04] <coreymon77> Tm_T: i just said above
[21:04] <Tm_T> coreymon77: how it requires better hardware?
[21:04] <gorgonzola> coreymon77: but wasn't kde4 supposed t be lighter?
[21:04] <coreymon77> and i still think its stabler and easier to use
[21:04] <revourbis_> I'll try.
[21:05] <gorgonzola> coreymon77: without desktop effects, sure.
[21:05] <shawn__> ya it worked for me right after install that
[21:05] <xiong> okay well guys thx for all the help
[21:05] <xiong> gtg now
[21:05] <xiong> will try more stuff tomorrow
[21:05] <gorgonzola> xiong: be sure to come back if you have any problems...
[21:06] <Tm_T> coreymon77: I can run KDE4 in P3 600 MHz with 128 MiB ram just ine
[21:06] <Pconfig> i'm sorry it didn't work xiong, don't give up yet! :p
[21:06] <Tm_T> fine
[21:06] <gorgonzola> xiong: and try kubuntu 8.04, is much more stable than intrepid :)
[21:06] <shawn__> wow I ran kde on a 900 Mhz machine and I didn't consider that fine.
[21:06] <shawn__> *kde 3.5
[21:06] <revourbis_> I allready have that one installed.
[21:06] <Tm_T> shawn__: perhaps it was your settings then (:)
[21:07] <revourbis_> And amarok sais... wait a sec pls.
[21:07] <xiong> thx all
[21:07] <shawn__> maybe it was at college
[21:07] <revourbis_> Some media could not be loaded (not playable).
[21:07] <pawan> Hi all
[21:08] <neothecat> good afternoon (EST).  does anyone know a public calendar that synchs up seemlesly with kontact?  i do not want to use gcaldaemon or anything like that.  thanks!
[21:08] <Pconfig> revourbis_ that's a different message as your first one?
[21:08] <revourbis_> Yes.
[21:08] <pawan> can somebody tell me wav to MP3 converter
[21:08]  * revourbis_ is sharpening that ol' rusty axe.
[21:08] <pawan> apart from LAME
[21:08] <athlon1> Hi, can any tell me where are all the optios of konqueror in kde4 (bluetooth, printers, cd-audio, devices,...). They where in kde3, but what happens in kde4?
[21:08] <Pconfig> revourbis_ right click the mp3 file ==> properties ==> permissions (do you have read access) ?
[21:09] <neothecat> pawan: sox
[21:09] <neothecat> pawan: sox works really good for a lot of conversions.
[21:09] <enig> I have an issue with Video playback at my Kubuntu. both Kaffeine and Dragon player seem to be skipping frames and i get some ocasional slowdowns. is this fixable??
[21:09] <revourbis_> And ownership goes to root.
[21:10] <pawan> thanks <"neothecat">
[21:10] <Pconfig> revourbis_ are those files on a different drive or something?
[21:10] <Pconfig> probably a windows drive?
[21:11] <Brad777> HEllo everyon cane u tell me how to fix this error: "Error API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 177.80, but this NVIDIA driver component has version 180.22. Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version"
[21:11] <neothecat> pawan:  i would suggest looking up "sox wav mp3 conversion".  there are so many options, i just find it easier to copy and paste it
[21:11] <revourbis_> Those are in the root folder as stated by Dolphin.
[21:11] <Pconfig> revourbis_: could give the exact path?
[21:11] <shawn__> good luck revourbis_ I have to go I searched google a bit but didn't find any other things that would help you
[21:12] <Brad777> I bought the 9800GTX+ and tried to install the proprietary driver
[21:12] <revourbis_> Thanx Shawn, I apreciate.
[21:12] <revourbis_> Root - host - music.
[21:12] <athlon1> kubuntu 8.04 is LTS or is 8.10?
[21:13] <Tm_T> athlon1: latest Kubuntu LTS is 6.06
[21:13] <Pconfig> revourbis: that's a strange folder :s how did they get there?
[21:14] <revourbis_> Well I installed Kubuntu "inside windows" as the installer titled because it wouldn't start normally after reboot would return some funny errors and yeah.. So...
[21:14] <Pconfig> revourbis_: aww i don't have experience with wubi
[21:14] <athlon1> And, which is going to be the next kubuntu LTS?
[21:14] <revourbis_> I gave Wingooze 30 GB, drive F: 21GB and the rest 105GB to the linux thingy.
[21:14] <Pconfig> but let me look, at has something to do with file permissions
[21:16] <neothecat> is kubuntu also going to have KDE 4.2 release in the repos tomorrow?
[21:17] <Pconfig> revourbis_: try typing "sudo chmod 777 /host/music -R" in a terminal
[21:17] <athlon1> I'll try again: with konqueror kde3 supported many protocols: man: bluetooth: print: media: ... Is possilbe to add that protocols to konqueror kde4?
[21:18] <revourbis_> No such file or directory.
[21:18] <enig> anone knows how to speed up playback so it doesn't have slowdowns or skipping frames? like switching priority ore something?
[21:18] <Tm_T> athlon1: next LTS is propably 10.04 but future is unknown factor
[21:19] <Pconfig> revourbis_ what does cd /host/music do?
[21:19] <athlon1> Thanks Tm_T
[21:19] <revourbis_> Do where?
[21:19] <Pconfig> when you type it in a terminal "cd /host/music"
[21:21] <revourbis_> Aw, sorry ;))
[21:21] <revourbis_> One moment.
[21:22] <revourbis_> No such file or directory.
[21:23] <Pconfig> :s
[21:23] <revourbis_> This is so gay... like ok, it's illegal to distribute mp3 bla bla bla... but does the format belong to anyone?
[21:23] <revourbis_> I'd say no.
[21:23] <Pconfig> this has nothing to with playing mp3 anymore
[21:24] <Pconfig> you can play mp3 files now
[21:24] <Pconfig> but you can't access your windows drive properly
[21:24] <Pconfig> some read/write file permissions are wrong
[21:24] <Tm_T> revourbis_: watch your language
[21:25] <revourbis_> Gay is not a offending word thank you for your atention.
[21:25] <revourbis_> And I was not refering to anyone, but to the situation in a whole.
[21:25] <revourbis_> Pconfig, what would you suggest?
[21:25] <Tm_T> revourbis_: it is when it's used the way you did
[21:26] <Pconfig> well, find someone who has experience with wubi (that how ubuntu under windows is called)
[21:28] <revourbis_> @Tm_T Did I call you or anyone here in the room gay? No.
[21:28] <Pconfig> nope, but calling a situation you don't like 'gay', offends being gay as a whole
[21:29] <Pconfig> or something
[21:30] <neothecat> i didn't think people used "gay" as an insult after they passed the age of 12.
[21:30] <OzoneNerd> Hello all, Q: I thought the Kubuntu printer set up was great, but now the printer has changed IP adresses and printing silently fails.  What to do?
[21:30] <revourbis_> I don't consider myself the worst thing that happened to humanity let alone to gay/lesbian people with which I got nothing against them.
[21:30] <revourbis_> I got no ideea where to go to... what if... what if I would do an update to the whole thingy?
[21:32] <Pconfig> revourbis_ you could try at http://ubuntuforums.org
[21:33] <revourbis_> I'l try to get some help there too thanx, but after I test if it works after upgrading.
[21:33] <Pconfig> what are you going to upgrade?
[21:34] <neothecat> revourbis_: replace "gay" with jew, black, or any other group, and maybe you will understand what the problem is.  using the word gay to mean the same as "stupid" or "bad" is very insulting.
[21:34] <Matt123> Hi! Is there a channel for jaunty?
[21:36] <revourbis_> @neothecat: Jew, black, mexicans etc. are born that way, gay people on the other side don't. And I refered to as gay at the situation beying out of the ordinary. I honestly think that having problems with a driver here or a compatibility thingy there with a new OS it's ok byt not beying able to play mp3 files is absolutely gay=out of the ordinary
[21:37] <neothecat> revourbis_:  are you serious?  are you really serious.  and by the way, as someone who is was born into a jewish family and is now any atheist, being jewish is a choice.
[21:37] <mohbana> hi, how do i open the terminal in the current DIR i'm browsing with Dolphin
[21:37] <OzoneNerd> I'm not much for being offended in any case, but that was a stupid comment.  What about crippled people?  They often aren't born that way.
[21:37] <david_edmundson> press F4 in dolphin
[21:38] <revourbis_> Atheism is not a religion.
[21:38] <david_edmundson> ok, all of you - move on or move to #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:38] <neothecat> revourbis_:  i never said it was.  i said being jewish is.
[21:40] <david_edmundson> mohbana: was pressing F4 what you wanted?
[21:42] <mohbana> david_edmundson: no exactly, i wanted it to launch in a separate window
[21:42] <neothecat> if anyone wants to continue that conversation in #kubuntu-offtopic, please do.
[21:43] <Pconfig> mohbana, richt click the folder ==> open with terminal?
[21:43] <david_edmundson> mohbana: you can drag the terminal widget outside of the window
[21:43] <enig> Question! how can i configure the firewall that comes with KUBUNTu 8.10?? because it's blocking DC++ nad aMule too :S
[21:43] <Pconfig> i mean, actions
[21:45] <mohbana> ok thanks that works.  but i wanted something like gnome's ver. where i can right click on the folder and open terminal.   anyhow, thanks
[21:45] <Pconfig> mohbana, it's in the actions menu when you right click a file or folder
[21:46] <Pconfig> enig: maybe try isntall kmyfirewall?
[21:46] <mohbana> sorry ... big mistake.  i meant, whilst in a folder
[21:46] <david_edmundson> does Kubuntu have a firewall by default? I don't think so - probably a NAT issue
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> Matt123: You'll need to wait until packages for the rest of KDE are available
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> currently only packages for kdelibs and kdepimlibs have finished building
[21:48] <enig> so why i keep getting dennied connections low Id on amule and on DC++ i can't download and search? how can i fix this? :S
[21:48] <Matt123> JontheEchidna - Ok my friend - is it because the packages are being built and I only have some of the packages?
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> yes
[21:49] <Jonty>  /part
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> though there might be a delay since a recent upload of libxcb broke anything that needs it to build
[21:50] <mohbana> so i'm using dolphin cause the gnome browser is vvvverry slow
[21:51] <wesley_> So ive placed my laptop hd into my mini itx, the hd was broken from the mini itx :(
[21:55] <wesley_> Guys only 1 hour and 5 min till kde4.2 is released
[21:55] <aapzak> when will we see it in ubuntu?
[21:55] <Matt123> Hi is anyone going to a release party for 4.2?
[21:56] <mohbana> why is the gfx so damn slow
[21:56] <mohbana> considering my gfx card is so powerful i'm surprised this lagging that much
[21:57] <aapzak> mohbana: there must be something wrong with your drivers
[21:57] <aapzak> I'm running on poor hardware and its running pretty smooth
[21:57] <pinda> mohbana: what card and what drivers?
[21:58] <aapzak> 4.2 RC1 that is
[21:58] <mohbana> 8800gts nvidia, the latest one from the repo, i just updated a few minutes ago
[21:58] <pinda> mohbana: on the repo from which version of kubuntu?
[21:58] <mohbana> i just installed kubuntu about 10 min ago
[21:59] <pinda> 8.10 didn't have nvidia 180.x right?
[21:59] <Pconfig> nope
[21:59] <pinda> mohbana: 8.10
[21:59] <pinda> ?
[21:59] <mohbana> oh last intrepid
[21:59] <spot_> How to handle .tar.gz in Kubuntu?
[21:59] <pinda> mohbana: yeah, 180.x is really a difference of light and day
[21:59] <spot_> I have downloadet firefox
[21:59] <wesley_> Matt123 my parents forbidden me to go to germany
[22:00] <mohbana> pinda: do i need to install that manually?
[22:00] <pinda> spot_: why don't use the firefox from the repo
[22:00] <pinda> mohbana: yes
[22:00] <spot_> pinda: Where do i find that? Im newbie :-)
[22:00] <wesley_> How can I make a live cd of my existing kubuntu ?
[22:00] <Matt123> anyone from New Zealand having a release party?
[22:01] <Pconfig> spot_: Kmenu -> programs -> Add/remove software
[22:01] <pinda> mohbana: kde4 uses a like of Xorg goodies that weren't used very much before, and some drivers have been seriously lacking in that regard, like the older nvidia drivers
[22:01] <spot_> wesley_: When you DL it, there is already a live version on, unless you choose it not to be there
[22:02] <Walzmyn> whenever I watch a movie in Kaffeine the sound is really quite. I've got everything maxed but the sound is much quiter than other apps - anybody got a suggestion on how to fix this?
[22:02] <spot_> Pconfig: Thanks! :-)
[22:02] <pinda> spot_: yeah, what Pconfig says... the package manager is the way to install applications on any linux platform... a lot less hassle
[22:02] <david_edmundson> Walzmyn: does it have it's own volume control?
[22:02] <david_edmundson> Dragon does.
[22:02] <mohbana> pinda: will that be the next release of ubunut
[22:02] <Walzmyn> david_edmundson, yes,  and it's maxed
[22:02] <pinda> spot_: and ALL your software get's updated automatically
[22:02] <pinda> mohbana: yes
[22:03] <Pconfig> mohbana: i think it's in the backports
[22:03] <Pconfig> let me check
[22:03] <bitmonster> hi
[22:03] <david_edmundson> Walzmyn: bust open alsamixer from the command line, and max everything there
[22:03] <Walzmyn> david_edmundson, done
[22:03] <david_edmundson> Kaffiene will output via PCM which Phonon (new KDE4 stuff) wont
[22:03] <aapzak> Walzmyn: cover your ears :)
[22:03] <wesley_> spot, look I just want to have a complete version of my kubuntu on a iso
[22:04] <Walzmyn> david_edmundson, i'm on 8.04
[22:04] <david_edmundson> oh ok
[22:05] <david_edmundson> at that point I've no idea
[22:05] <Pconfig> mohbana, you sure it's not in your package manager?
[22:05] <Walzmyn> ok, thanks
[22:05] <wesley_> would be ideal to just have your copy and place it on other machines
[22:05] <david_edmundson> ..unless all your movies are just very quiet :-P
[22:05] <mohbana> Pconfig: how do i find out from the CL?
[22:05] <Pconfig> mohbana: try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[22:06] <spot_> Pconfig: pinda: Thanks alot to both of you! :-)
[22:06] <Pconfig> spot_: you're welcome ;)
[22:07] <mohbana> Pconfig: thanks it's available, but i don't want to risk breaking my system
[22:07] <pinda> spot_: np... it's a bit of a switch from the windows way of thinking where your seek tha interwebs for an installer.... one central place for all your software. :) nice, aint it?
[22:07] <zicada> say, what timeframe are we talking from KDE4.2 release tomorrow to package availability in kubuntu ?
[22:08] <Pconfig> mohbana: i'd give it a shot. Backup your xorg.conf file, install it and if it doesn't work, just install nvidia-glx-177 again, put your xorg.conf file back
[22:09] <Pconfig> the 180 driver is a world of differnce
[22:09] <Pconfig> anyway, i'm off, goodnight
[22:09] <pinda> yeah, with the 177 driver, plasma is even faster with the "nv" driver
[22:11] <hendershot> hey
[22:12] <wildchild_> alguien sabe como cambiar un tema en  kubuntu 8.10?
[22:12] <aapzak> alguien sabe hablar ingles?
[22:12] <surgy> !english
[22:12] <wildchild_> alguien me ayuda?no se como se hace y me estoy volviendo loco
[22:13] <surgy> so who can i help today?
[22:15] <jussi01> !es | aapzak
[22:16] <spot_> pinda: Prette smart, and pretty nice! Now i just have to get my fingerprint reader to work, and webcam, then theres only my RAW files i ask if they can be converted to JPEG
[22:16] <aapzak> jussi01: ??
[22:16] <spot_> pinda: Pretty*
[22:16] <aapzak> wildchild needed help, not me :)
[22:16] <jussi01> aapzak: sorry, didnt see that.
[22:17] <aapzak> jussi01: np :)
[22:24] <aapzak> I'm not gonna wait here for 4.2 to be released, gtg sleep, byebye
[22:26] <nicholai> does anyone know how I should get the system to "apt-get update" automatically ie on every boot or daily
[22:27] <nicholai> I have to do it manually now so that the kde-update-notifier reacts
[22:28] <marcel_> if you want to install java install from Synaptic instead of sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk // works better :)
[22:29] <mohbana> pinda: about the nvidia drivers, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180, is that from backports?
[22:32] <pinda> mohbana: I'm not sure, I think so. you've got backports enabled?
[22:32] <blahjake> nicholai: cron
[22:33] <mohbana> pinda: no i don't.  but will that be the default driver in the upcoming rlease
[22:33] <nicholai> blahjake: shouldn't there be a default cronjob then? before upgrading to intrepid I didn't have to do this myself
[22:34] <pinda> mohbana: extremely likely
[22:34] <blahjake> nicholai: that's probably true, check /etc/cron.daily and friends on a box that does it itself
[22:41] <blahjake> nicholai: gotta run, but in case it helps here's the contents of /etc/cron.daily/apt on a fresh (not upgraded) intrepid install that is noticing updates on its own: http://rafb.net/p/W4IshG21.html
[22:42] <spot_> What is KDE Wallet ment for?
[22:44] <Dannilion> spot_: it stores all your passwords and stuff, with a master password
[22:44] <Walzmyn> spot_, best I can tell, it's supposed to open an anoying dialog box everytime you try to do anything
[22:44] <spot_> Dannilion: Ok! :-) Cool! Thanks
[22:45] <spot_> Walzmyn: Ok :-)
[22:45] <what_if> are there any cons still to using 64 bit kubuntu on the desktop ?
[22:46] <tommo78> Trying to sample Kubuntu 8.10 via the LiveCD: it appears to load to an extent, but then fails on every attempt. I see "Checking battery", then it changes to a black screen with a load of blue pixels all the way down the left quarter of the screen. It then goes back to "Checking battery" and the process repeats itself. Completely stuck. Anyone got any ideas?
[22:46] <FoxBlitzz> what_if: Not from what I've tried of it, got Flash and WINE working, but then again I haven't tried 32-bit
[22:47] <Walzmyn> what_if, iv'e not had any problems other than Opera being a bit fussy
[22:47] <Walzmyn> what_if, and Ventrilo only makes a 32 bit client
[22:47] <what_if> anyone use the nvidia driver on 64bit ?
[22:47] <what_if> thats a big one for me ...
[22:48] <Walzmyn> what_if, yes - had no troubles
[22:48] <what_if> I will give it a shot then.
[22:48] <what_if> tried tu upgrade and ruined my system...
[22:50] <moreno> hola
[22:51] <what_if> Walzmyn: did you get opera to work? Won't 64 bit run both 64 and 32 software ?
[22:51] <moreno> somebody whos peak spanish
[22:51] <what_if> moreno: #kubuntu-es
[22:53] <moreno> hi
[22:58] <tommo78> Trying to sample Kubuntu 8.10 via the LiveCD: it appears to load to an extent, but then fails on every attempt. I see "Checking battery", then it changes to a black screen with a load of blue pixels all the way down the left quarter of the screen. It then goes back to "Checking battery" and the process repeats itself. Completely stuck. Anyone got any ideas?
[22:58] <what_if> sounds like a video driver issue
[22:59] <tommo78> Anything I can do to remedy that?
[22:59] <tommo78> It's not a very inspiring first experience of Linux, that's all :P
[22:59] <what_if> put vga=792 on the kernel command line
[22:59] <what_if> the ubuntu live cd's are not that great
[23:00] <what_if> try knoppix
[23:00] <tommo78> Thanks, what_if. I'll hit google.
[23:00] <what_if> not a great installed system, but the best live cd in my opinion
[23:01] <tommo78> Ah, I was only using the LiveCD to ensure everything worked before I wiped Windows
[23:02] <tommo78> How would I go about altering the kernel command line to see if that fixed my problem?
[23:02] <Guest87079> Puta que bariu!!!Ta tudo em ingles?
[23:03] <Guest87079> Server Brazil?
[23:04] <what_if> el canal #ubuntu-es es para habla espanol
[23:04] <zicada> 4.2 final released, i demand packages :D
[23:04] <Walzmyn> what_if, it will run, it's just slow as all crap.
[23:04] <Walzmyn> no offence to my brothers in the FOSS movement, but I hate Firefox, so it kinda miffs me I gotta use it. But i'm sure opera will get this bug worked out.
[23:05] <alonea> I tried to get an explanation earlier, but had to go. where are the touchpad options???
[23:09] <alonea> anyone? I used to have an app I could go to before, but not in intrepid. I can't do it xorg.conf since its now hal. What do I do?
[23:19] <wesley_> yeah kde4.2 is released
[23:20] <oobe> im still using kde3
[23:20] <oobe> :P
[23:20] <wesley_> Grampa does maby use kde1
[23:20] <oobe> but i said i would upgrade once 4.2 came out cause of some missing features
[23:21] <alonea> where are the touchpad options???
[23:21] <jpedroza> alonea: Most are in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:21] <jpedroza> alonea: Input Device
[23:21] <alonea> jpedroza: but we dont use that anymore!
[23:22] <alonea> jpedroza: its hal now
[23:22] <wesley_> oobe i am running the rc, thats pratical the final
[23:23] <oobe> wesley_, i havent kept up but last time i tried kde4 it was missing a lot of essential things like an administrators menu in the control centre does it have that all fixed now
[23:23] <jpedroza> alonea: I will have to check
[23:23] <alonea> jpedroza: intrepid is on new system. its these wierd .fdi files. my xorg doesn't have much of anything in it anymore.
[23:24] <jpedroza> alonea: That would explain why my trackpad tap and scroll don't work
[23:24] <alonea> jpedroza: not including comments, its only 11 lines
[23:24] <wesley_> oobe its much better then 4.0 and cleaner the 4.1
[23:25] <alonea> jpedroza: *nods* and I don't have any settings menu anywhere that I can find for touchpad. or anything at all that even says I have a touc
[23:25] <alonea> hpad
[23:25] <jpedroza> alonea: I have this: /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi
[23:26] <alonea> jpedroza: I wont have a clue how to fix my problem with that...
[23:26] <alonea> jpedroza: if I so much as barely brush my touchpad while typing my cursor goes all over the place.
[23:26] <alonea> I can try though.
[23:27] <jpedroza> alonea: Trade ya? Mine barely works
[23:27] <alonea> jpedroza: lol. I can pastebin my current settings if that helps any.
[23:27] <alonea> I wonder if changing this line:
[23:27] <alonea> <merge key="input.x11_options.PalmDetect" type="string">0</merge>
[23:28] <alonea> to a 1 would fix it
[23:28] <jpedroza> alonea: looks like a simple xml file that uses the same basic options as xorg.conf
[23:28] <jpedroza> alonea: pastebin would be great
[23:28] <alonea> ok, gimmie a sex
[23:28] <alonea> sec!
[23:28] <alonea> gah
[23:29] <jpedroza> alonea: freudian slip
[23:29] <jpedroza> alonea: when you say one thing and mean your mother
[23:30] <jpedroza> alonea: Need to reboot. brb
[23:39] <marcelo> ola amigo preciso de ajuda com wireless
[23:39] <marcelo> quem pode me ajudar
[23:40] <alonea> !es
[23:40] <marcelo> sorry
[23:41] <alonea> no problem
[23:41] <marcelo> i need help
[23:41] <marcelo> about wireless
[23:41] <Jumento> mp3?
[23:41] <alonea> oh fun. what card? broadcom?
[23:42] <marcelo> my computer is dell
[23:42] <marcelo> I use kubuntu
[23:42] <alonea> what wireless card. if you go to a terminal and type in "lspci" it will be listed under there
[23:43] <alonea> it will look something like this: 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
[23:43] <alonea> also, what exact problem are you having with wireless? is your card not being detected?
[23:44] <DaSkreech> Hi alonea
[23:44] <marcelo> what command in terminal ?
[23:46] <alonea> hey DaSkreech. why is there not an easy settings menu for the touchpad? I don't think users know to automatically go to /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi to then play a numbers game
[23:46] <alonea> marcelo: lspci
[23:46] <DaSkreech> What?
[23:46] <DaSkreech> People weren't naturally born with that knowledge?
[23:46] <alonea> DaSkreech: *mock glare*
[23:47] <tommo78> How do I switch to the vesa driver when using the livecd?
[23:47]  * DaSkreech writes a stern letter to the midwives
[23:48] <tommo78> It appears the ATI HD 2400 isn't supported by the default driver
[23:48] <tommo78> ... sucks for me
[23:49] <alonea> DaSkreech: heh. and I am still lost on what most of that stuff in the file means...kinda bad to just start putting random stuff in. ^^;;;
[23:49] <jennifer> i need help setting up my external mic to use with SKYPE
[23:50] <DaSkreech> alonea: backups are good
[23:50] <alonea> DaSkreech: oh yesh
[23:50] <alonea> DaSkreech: but the bad thing is, I really haven't found a page explaining this. *pout*
[23:51] <DaSkreech> alonea: As you said there really shouldn't be one. It should be easier
[23:52] <jennifer> can someone plez help me
[23:52] <alonea> DaSkreech: really! there used to be an app that did this for you. you just clicked and played with sliders and set it up how you needed
[23:53] <marcelo> 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
[23:53] <marcelo> 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)
[23:53] <marcelo> 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
[23:53] <DaSkreech> alonea: Remember what it was called?
[23:53] <DaSkreech> jennifer: What's the problem?
[23:53] <jennifer> my mic isnt working for skype
[23:53] <z666> channel
[23:53] <jennifer> its a usb plug in
[23:53] <spot_> Is it not possible to "unrar" a rar archive in Kubuntu? I have Ark + rar installed
[23:54] <alonea> DaSkreech: Synaptics. and its not compatiable anymore. they were made for the old way of things
[23:54] <marcelo> no reconized
[23:54] <spot_> It seems like the file is to big, its about 4.47Gb
[23:54] <DaSkreech> !info ksynaptics
[23:54] <DaSkreech> !info gsynaptics
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[23:54] <DaSkreech> spot_: What Filesystem do you have the drive formatted in?
[23:54] <DaSkreech> alonea: tried gsynaptics ?
[23:54] <alonea> I can't get it to work at all. I can try again though.
[23:55] <alonea> DaSkreech: oh yes...month ago
[23:55] <spot_> DaSkreech:  ext 3
[23:55] <z666> any 1 familiar with the bct15
[23:55] <z666> any 1 familiar with the bct15  ???
[23:55] <DaSkreech> spot_: Should work then
[23:55] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Is it working elsehwere?
[23:55] <DaSkreech> Elsewhere?
[23:55] <jennifer> nope
[23:55] <spot_> DaSkreech: Where do i chek it?
[23:55] <jennifer> i can hear but i cant talk out of it
[23:56] <DaSkreech> spot_: try unrar x rar.rar from the command line
[23:56] <DaSkreech> jennifer: The Skype test call doesn't pick it up?
[23:56] <alonea> DaSkreech: you end up with this sorta hell: GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
[23:56] <alonea> You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics
[23:56] <spot_> DaSkreech: Im newbie, so i dont know how :-D
[23:56] <jennifer> it says problem with audio capture
[23:56] <mimmo> ciao
[23:56] <alonea> DaSkreech: it hasn't been updated in ages and thus works on old system.
[23:56] <DaSkreech> s!it
[23:56] <DaSkreech> !it
[23:57] <DaSkreech> spot_: do you know where the file is?
[23:57] <spot_> DaSkreech: ca
[23:57] <z666> any 1 familiar with the bct15  ???
[23:57] <DaSkreech> alonea: Well first of all bug it
[23:57] <DaSkreech> z666: What is that?
[23:57] <z666> bearcat 15 scanner /radio
[23:57] <messeup> i want to install Kubuntu on my Asus eee. it got xandros "which sucks imo" however i do not have a usb pen. is it possible to install it from a usb disk ? got a 300GB mybook usb disk,
[23:58] <spot_> DaSkreech: home/spot/film/title.rar.r00 - rar.99
[23:58] <DaSkreech> z666: ahmm I'm not.
[23:58] <DaSkreech> !eee
[23:58] <mimmo> xdcc
[23:58] <mimmo> xdcc send
[23:58] <DaSkreech> spot_: try cd to it then unrar x title.rar.r00
[23:58] <spot_> DaSkreech: It's splittet in ca 100 pieces
[23:58] <alonea> DaSkreech: bug it? like "bugger"? or something for me to actually do. cause I looked high and low to get gsyn to work in intrepid and I did not find a successful case I dont think.
[23:58] <messeup> DaSkreech read my question beffore you linke me to a howto install from cd and usb pen
[23:59] <z666> the problem i have is with the com port detection not so much th bct15
[23:59] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Try swap the input audio device in skype options
[23:59] <spot_> DaSkreech:  cd?
[23:59] <messeup> *or
[23:59] <jennifer> how do i do that
[23:59] <jennifer> im new at skype lol
[23:59] <DaSkreech> messeup: You want to install right off the ISO?
[23:59] <DaSkreech> spot_: change directory the command for that is cd
[23:59] <DaSkreech> so cd film
[23:59] <z666> the problem i have is with the com port detection
[23:59] <messeup> well i got a usb "mybook" disk.. and i want to install kubuntu on it.
[23:59] <z666> the problem i have is with the com port detection
[23:59] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Open the options and go to audio
[23:59] <spot_> DaSkreech: in "Run command"?