[00:21] how do you remove your old openpgp key if u got a new one [00:26] how do you remove your old openpgp key if u got a new one i need to remove first key i have two of them === KB1OHY_Rich is now known as Sergeant_Pony [00:33] Not looking for support, just a general question and are looking for a general answer. Are there still Nvidia restricted drivers in Jaunty? [00:33] yes/no is all I am looking for [00:34] Yes. [00:34] Good enough [00:34] There are also shiny new open-source nouveau drivers, too. [00:35] Awesome.... Someone post to our newsgroup saying that there arn't any Nvidia restricted drivers in Jaunty, which made no sense so I thought I would verify [00:35] I just bought a 22 inch monitor and are now running dual monitor support lol... [00:35] nouveau is awesome for that :) [00:35] It probably WILL break when I upgrade.... but I can fix it [00:35] The nvidia restricted drivers still need an xorg.conf option, because they don't officially support our Xorg version. [00:36] Finally though some decent nvidia drivers that arn't closed source. [00:36] No (supported) 3d from nouveau, though, and no suspend/resume. [00:36] maybe now when I triage bugs and they deal with nvidia stuff I won't be thinking they are up the creek without the paddle... [00:36] But better 2d performance than nvidia, and nicer dual-head support. [00:37] meh, don't care about 3d that much.... I don't use it [00:37] Is there going to be a doc with all the changes when it comes to that? [00:38] it might get a little confusing trying to triage nvidia stuff if we don't really know what changed [00:38] Yeah, the release notes as normal. [00:38] It's a start I guess [00:38] Well, the nouveau drivers are in Universe; the only people using them will be those who want to test them. [00:40] yeah but I end up triaging the reports that come in... (I'm a member of bug-control), I'll talk to my clan about some kind of guideline to go by for those then [00:42] launchpad.net/nouveau has some guidelines for bug reports against nouveau; basically, they're worthless without an Xorg.0.log _and_ a dmesg log with an appropriate option. === RAOF__ is now known as RAOF [01:03] how do i get rythmbox-client? [01:04] By spelling it correctly (rhythmbox-client). [01:05] yeah kinda figured that... [01:11] OK, so how do I create a patch? (for gnome-panel) [01:11] I spent the day creating a patch for bug #192009 [01:11] Launchpad bug 192009 in gnome-panel "gnome panel has no way to specify on which screen it should appear" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192009 [01:12] modifying gnome-panel's source* [01:25] Nevermind, found the docs. [03:13] ah [03:13] I just upgraded to jaunty and keep getting this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-932634.html [03:13] I can get into failsafe terminal fine [03:14] but when I try to login to normal gnome or fluxbox, I get the error in that post [03:14] right, so...any ideas [03:14] ? [04:30] hey, I just selected ext4 as my fs, but it created an ext3 partition [04:30] what gives [05:21] hello [05:21] my firefox is missing icon [05:21] in firefox.desktop there is icon=firefox [05:21] but icon file seems to be missing [05:21] how to fix? [05:29] Tekno, my firefox.desktop looks like this [05:29] Exec=firefox %u [05:29] Terminal=false [05:29] X-MultipleArgs=false [05:29] Type=Application [05:29] Icon=firefox-3.0 [05:31] well i tried that firefox-3.0 [05:31] doesn work either [05:31] doesnt [06:20] Does anyone happen to know why xorg.conf is completely blank in 9.04? [06:21] because Xorg generates it itself when needed in startup [06:22] So are the configuration values stored anywhere? [06:22] no [06:22] Interesting... thanks for the info. :) [06:22] greatcaffeine: if you need to specify specific things, you *can* create one [06:23] yea, it reads xorg.conf, but if some of configuration isn't there, that will be generated [06:25] Well, what I was specifically trying to do was manually increase the amount of RAM allocated to my GMA 950. [06:25] I know there used to be a "videoram" option, but I'm not sure if it does anything. [06:25] And then I was surprised when xorg.conf was totally blank. :) [06:26] :) [06:26] but guess what [06:27] i was very surprised when I found that also FSTAB was empty on my system [06:27] 0_) [06:27] for me /etc/fstab is not in any way empty [06:28] yea, that's only empty if HAL does mounting [06:28] Yeah, my fstab has some junk in it. [06:29] makes sense considering I've a slightly complex hd layout [06:31] Have you guys gotten sound to work in Jaunty? [06:31] greatcaffeine, it does work [06:31] it's just set very very low [06:31] you've got to use alsamixer + a certain argument and raise it higher [06:31] hm [06:32] I've looked around in gnome-alsamixer and all of the levels look fine... nothing is muted. [06:32] I mean the command line version of alsamixer [06:33] there's a certain switch which shows everything [07:27] ok, ive been wondering this for a while now, what determines when a package is held back? [07:28] for example deluge torrent [07:28] pwnguin, depending on an old version of a package that you don't have, or that other packages need the newer versions of [07:28] even dist-upgrade won't touch it [07:30] pwnguin, mark it for upgrade in synaptic, and see what packages it says will be removed (aptitude would tell you too) [07:30] cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/109699/ [07:30] i thouhgt dist-upgrade didn't care about removing packages [07:31] pwnguin, obsolete packages [07:32] it won't break the dependencies of stuff that is installed though [07:32] im confident it's fine [07:32] it's just willing to remove packages in order to do it [07:32] pwnguin, did update-manager offer to do a partial upgrade? [07:32] but im not sure why dist-upgrade won't do this [07:32] cwillu: nope [07:33] its grayed out in distribution updates [07:33] pwnguin, I mean, it didn't pop up a dialog when you started it? [07:33] i dont run the gui tool often [07:33] bad habit i guess [07:34] not terribly [07:34] dist-upgrade in apt-get? [07:34] or aptitude? [07:34] apt-get [07:34] oh [07:34] i just tested aptitude and it seems willing to do it [07:34] aptitude is recommended over apt-get these days iirc [07:35] pwnguin: from first glance it might be a glitch with the resolver in apt that you are hitting, that it things the new version is not that interessting because deluge-torrent-common needs to be removed -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true will tell you for your [07:35] ...because of the dependency handling [07:35] i thought apt-get was just a frontend to aptitude for lamers like me these days [07:35] apt-get is a frontend to dpkg [07:35] mvo: you got cut off [07:35] its really that apt-get and aptitude are frontends to libapt [07:36] but aptitude has some additional goodies :) [07:36] like a different resolver for dependency problems [07:36] alright [07:37] i just figured there was some circumstance that triggered these sorts of things [07:37] obviously dep resolution is complex, if it can be reduced to sudoku [07:38] pwnguin, it can also be reduced to packing boxes into your car [07:38] (as can sudoku, as a matter of fact) [07:39] well, if its just a failure and not some packaging heurestic i wasn't aware of, i feel better [07:40] we usually help the poor little resolver in apt by helping in cases like this with transitional pakcages and this like [07:41] * cwillu huggles banshee-1 [07:41] !info banshee-1 [07:41] Package banshee-1 does not exist in jaunty [07:41] !info banshee-1 intrepid [07:41] Package banshee-1 does not exist in intrepid [07:41] nevermind that's a ppa transitional package... [07:41] heh [07:47] banshee-1's only available in a special launchpad repository [07:57] jrgp, yes, I believe I said that :p [10:06] is is currently impossible to akonadi and amarok together? === [pErry] is now known as [perry] [10:06] for me, akonadi depends on mysql-server-core-5.0, and amarok depends on mysql-server-5.1, which conflict.. [11:10] weird, my suspend/pm-utils/dbus/gnome-power-manager issues went away after unhooking the inhibit call, suspending, and then hooking it back up [11:10] won't reproduce now [11:10] cwillu: come again? [11:11] I can't make my suspend work, but hibernate and resume works fine! [11:11] BUGabundo, pm-suspend would work, but suspend through gnome-power-manager wouldn't work at all [11:11] was about to report a bug with GPM [11:11] would disconnect the network, and reconnect, but nothing else would happen [11:11] 'cause it won't manage lcd bright after resume [11:11] traced the execution into the same pm-suspend that I was running by hand: it was getting there [11:11] but getting caught in a inhibit hook [11:12] was trying to figure out which one, and changed the inhibited function to always return no [11:12] suspended from gnome, worked as expected [11:12] reverted the change to inhibited() [11:12] and... it still worked [11:13] * BUGabundo is lost! [11:13] (inhibited is in /usr/lib/pm-utils/functions) [11:13] no idea why it's working now, some state must have been changed in a file somewhere to make it start working again [11:13] but it was persisting across reboots, dpkg -P remove's of pm-utils and related, etc [11:13] but now it works... [11:14] BUGabundo, toshiba satellite? [11:14] naa [11:14] OEM S37S [11:14] they have a problem like that [11:14] Asustek/ASI barebone [11:14] BUGabundo, try closing the lid for 4-5 seconds (at least, long enough that the screen turns off) [11:14] after a hibernate [11:14] ...and resume [11:15] humm [11:15] alternatively, try killing gnome-power-manager and restarting it, see if that bring it back [11:15] stupid question: Why? [11:15] because it works around it for the toshiba, apparently :p [11:15] what does closing the lid do that is so special? [11:15] BUGabundo, triggers some acpi related something somewhere [11:16] ahh [11:16] ok [11:16] heh [11:16] don't make it sound like I said anything useful explanation-wise :p [11:16] 'cause I didn't :p [11:17] but never underestimate what sideeffects things can potentially have :p [11:17] * cwillu checks his hibernate [11:17] * cwillu 's hibernate works [11:18] now, we just need to get that silly "gnome-power-manager polls xorg in a horrible way causing massive performance problems on intel" bug cleared away [11:18] i0m using usw and it works great [11:18] doesn't work on my lappy [11:19] regular hibernate was also working well with old kernel [11:19] haven't tested with -5 [11:19] but suspend (or better yet resume from suspend) is broken [11:19] I also have an Nvidia, what can be the cause for the brekage [11:19] or my eth card [11:20] cwillu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/321415 [11:20] Launchpad bug 321415 in gnome-power-manager "LCD dim and power managements doesnt work after hibernate" [Undecided,New] [11:20] bug #307306 [11:20] Launchpad bug 307306 in gnome-power-manager "upgrade to 2:1.2.99.2-0ubuntu1 makes session utterly slow" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307306 [11:21] cwillu: session?? [11:21] please explain? [11:21] there were great changes in gnome session [11:21] BUGabundo, not gnome-session, the session in general [11:21] that will make it wait a few more secs until everything is really loaded [11:21] no [11:22] as oposed to before where stuff will be appearing at bits [11:22] we're talking about pauses a couple times per second, mouse cursor jumping around, etc [11:22] xorg's log shows that it's polling for edid information several times a second [11:22] checkout my bootcharts [11:23] and see if you can relate the events [11:23] http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart [11:23] it's not a bootup [11:23] it's not boot up at all [11:23] I know [11:23] but I record mine past 90 secs after login [11:23] LOL [11:23] so I cacth extra stuff [11:23] * BUGabundo thinks we are talking about diff stuff, right? [11:24] boot charts aren't legible, won't show me anything above the 595px version, and you can't see anything [11:24] BUGabundo, I'm not talking about gnome-session [11:24] I'm talking about the Gnome Session [11:24] i.e., you're logged into gnome [11:25] so u fell the desktop experience is sluggish? [11:25] is that right? [11:25] it's clearly buggy [11:25] the mouse cursor jumps back to where it was half a second ago, and then flashes back [11:25] keystrokes aren't registered for several seconds [11:25] xorg is pegging the cpu [11:25] and killall -STOP gnome-power-manager makes it all better [11:26] wait [11:26] I'm confused [11:26] is this during regular use, ie, all day [11:26] or just after the inicial login [11:26] this is from the moment the session starts [11:26] for a few secs? [11:27] and it never stops [11:27] ahhh [11:27] sure... I see that too... [11:27] kinda looks like WinXP [11:27] llololol [11:27] afte login, stuff is still being loaded! [11:27] no, it's not for a few seconds, it's for as many hours as I'm willing to let it run [11:27] not me.... [11:27] tell you what, you reread _everything_ I just wrote, and then start talking to me again :p [11:27] for me its about 20-30 secs after login [11:27] then I have FULL crontrol [11:28] that's why I presented you with my bootchatrs [11:28] its visible there, those few extra sec where stuff is still beeing loaded [11:28] and then it stops [11:29] ...but I never said anything about boot up, or session start :p [11:29] I may have miss understood [11:29] so in your case GPM is not stopping [11:29] after the inicial steps === xxploit_ is now known as xxploit === xxploit_ is now known as xxploit [13:22] Where can I find an account how NetworkManager has changed since hardy? [13:23] bullgard4: look at intrepid's change notes, network-manager has changed a lot since then. I think you should look for the network-manager page on launchpad.net for full changelogs [13:23] bullgard4: the next ubuntu is jaunty by the way :) [13:24] SiDi: Thank you for your advice. [13:41] SiDi: Full changelogs à la https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/network-manager/0.7~~svn20081018t105859-0ubuntu1.8.10.1 is not what I am looking for. I am rather interested in a higher-level overview. Can you advise one? [13:41] bullgard4: if you're still under hardy, then i suggest you get on an intrepid/jaunty livecd :P [13:42] They made a lot of changes, esp. for wireless connexions, but it's been a few months ago so i forgot about it [13:42] hm. Thank you for commenting. [13:42] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta [13:42] Here, they speak about it [13:56] SiDi: Thank you very much again for your help. [13:56] bullgard4: you're welcome [14:08] hay all, having an issue. When ever i have kaffiene try to open anything (avi,mkv,mp3) it closes. Nothing gets reported on the console [15:17] upgrading to jaunty now [15:17] do u recommend installing jaunty ? after all im in intrepid ibex which is not a LTS [15:18] khalidmian, not for your normal system [15:18] I wouldn't install it on a machine that you need to have any reliability right now. [15:19] histo: when u say not for normal system - what does that mean? [15:19] reliabilty [15:19] If you can deal with it being broken and possibly having to reinstall due to some update that they are working on then yes install it. Otherwise stick witht he releases. [15:20] histo: i have installed kubuntu within windows and dont have any imp stuff in it = can uninstall kubuntu and reinstall it im assuming applies to jaunty too? [15:20] correct [15:21] Is there a reason you want to install the alpha version? [15:21] histo: ty ill give it a try wosrt come scenario ill revert to interpid ibex [15:21] histo: fun - ? [15:21] Keep in mind if it aint broke don't fix it. [15:21] well in that case then go ahead wth. [15:22] histo: ive uninstalled and reinstalled kubuntu quadra million times- a newbie so i just enjoy experimenting with it i guess [15:23] histo: which means bottom line im just a regular user not a developer or a wizz kid [15:23] k. See i use it as my only OS on some machines to installing jaunty on those wouldn't make sense. But I have a box that I just install this sort of thing on just to test and see if there are any bugs with my hardware. [15:24] Also you can use virtualbox and create virtual machines if you wanted. [15:24] ill try it for now i only use kubuntu within windows so i see no harm [15:24] ty for suggestion though [15:27] histo: [15:27] kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list [15:27] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-khalidmian" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [15:27] Error: "/tmp/kde-khalidmian" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [15:27] why on earth is it saying that [15:31] is there a way for me to upgarde to jaunty via sudo or adept? [15:32] khalidmian: update-manager -d [15:32] Really really don't try to upgrade just by editing sources.list [15:36] fosco_: im on kubuntu this only installs synaptic [15:37] don't know about adept, but you can install update-manager [15:37] bash: kdesu: command not found [15:50] Okay, Did brasero break on Ubuntu today? Or, is it just Xubuntu that broke it with the updates? [16:06] charlie-tca: Define break? Upgrade problem? Already fixed in the archive. [16:11] One package won't update, brasero won't burn cd's because of today's updates === [perry] is now known as [pErry] === Kuaera is now known as Kuaera|Away === saidfjsad is now known as DBO [18:13] hey i want to compile against librt on AMD64 but it complains about -fPIC not begin set [18:14] has anyone done an ext4 install? I tried last night but even though I told the partioner ext4, it did ext3 anyway [18:14] lamalex, I do [18:14] :) /dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) [18:15] hmm I wonder why mine REFUSED [18:15] my whole partitioner was buggy [18:15] couldn't edit partitions, had to delete then create new ones [18:15] the iso checked out ok === Kuaera|Away is now known as Kuaera [18:24] What up with th restrcited drivers tool? [18:24] Its showing none availible for my card. nvidia? [18:41] histo install your nvidia driver with synaptic or apt-get [18:41] hello [18:44] hello [18:48] why ubuntu doesn't have default aliases configured for the shell? [18:48] it should have [18:48] It's so odd for a linux distribution to came default with desktop effects and without a minimum aliases set! [18:49] Edico: There is normally a minumum set of alias in ~/.bashrc [18:49] histo: i'm pretty sure nvidia is totally fsck'd right now [18:50] lamalex, What is all this garbage about ignoreabi I'm trying to catch up [18:50] charlie-tca, I meen colors for user@host [18:50] ignoreabi? no idea [18:50] Its annoying the way ppl chat on launchpad [18:51] histo, you can avoid this error in /etc/gdm/gd.conf [18:51] this lines gdm.conf:621:command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br -audit 0 -ignoreABI [18:51] gdm.conf:636:command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br -audit 0 -terminate -ignoreABI [18:51] gdm.conf:650:command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br -audit 0 -ignoreABI [18:52] kab? [18:52] I don't have any erros atm I'm running the nv driver [18:52] Wondering about getting a proper driver installed though thats why i'm trying to catch up to the current state but it appears people are confused whether 180.22 fixes it or not. [18:52] could try the neuveau drivers too [18:52] lol I would hardly call the nvidia driver "proper" [18:52] histo, ohh, if you want to run with the nvidia driver do that [18:53] kab, and then what install the nvidia-glx-180 package? [18:53] histo yes [18:54] you install the nvidia-glx-180 and modify the /etc/gdm/gd.conf, then your can use this driver [18:56] tryign it now [18:56] histo, good luck! [18:57] well still dl'ng [19:05] kab: I really don't think that's the recommended way to do it. /etc/gdm/gd.conf says: "This file should not be updated by hand" on the third line [19:06] I would suggest configuring it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf instead, since really it's nothing to do with gdm [19:07] maxb, In xorg.conf don't function with me [19:07] works for me [19:07] Section "ServerFlags" Option "IgnoreABI" EndSection [19:07] maxb, how do you have the server flag section? or [19:08] maxb, I will try this in my next reboot [19:36] Can anybody help with or reproduce bug 309205 - using a MS Natural Ergonomic keyboard? [19:36] Launchpad bug 309205 in linux "2.6.28: Keyboard not usable during boot (cryptsetup passphrase)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309205 [19:51] just installed alpha 3 and have the updates..installed on ext4... cfdisk says its a ext3 disk.. whatsup? [19:52] It may be just an misprint yet? [19:53] hanasaki: probably cfdisk isn't aware of the new format yet? Similar to programs seeing ext3 as ext2, if they don't recognize ext3. [19:53] * charlie-tca thinks that's what I tried to say, too [19:53] hanasaki, what does it say on boot ? [20:34] where can I read about the cool new features of 9.04? [21:10] doedel: have you tried the release notes? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha3 [22:49] I'm running Jaunty alpha 3, how would I completely remove KDE and all KDE apps? [22:50] Is there any plans to have thunderbird 3.0 in Jaunty or is it completely off? [23:17] How would I enable the Nvidia drivers in Jaunty? I have nvidia-glx-180 and the kernel source installed. [23:18] Add these three lines to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Section "ServerFlags", Option "IgnoreABI" "True", EndSection [23:21] thanks andersk [23:43] Peddy, this should remove all kde apps: sudo aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libqtcore4 [23:50] hell [23:51] how do I install Netbeans [23:55] Tekno, type 'sudo apt-get install netbeans' into a terminal. [23:56] Tekno, you might want to try #ubuntu in the future, this is a channel for discussing Ubuntu Jaunty (unreleased alpha). [23:56] So you'll get more help there :)