[09:07] <dilomo> hi all
[09:07] <dilomo> anmyone here using New Wave + Eclipse?
[09:07] <dilomo> anyone*
[11:05] <primes2h> kwwii: Hello, did you see messages I left here?
[12:29] <kwwii> primes2h: nope
[12:29] <kwwii> but the bug is fixed, it seems
[12:43] <primes2h> kwwii: I just would like to know what happens now. Will stockmail... be removed? or what?
[12:57] <kwwii> https://launchpad.net/~pitti/human-icon-theme/sponsor-172353
[12:57] <kwwii> explains everything
[12:57] <kwwii> (the changelog)
[13:00] <SiDi> huh ?
[13:02]  * _MMA_ waves
[13:03] <SiDi> well,  hello :$
[13:03]  * thorwil waves, too
[13:03] <primes2h> kwwii: I was talking about bug #319991
[13:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 319991 in icon-naming-utils "Strange behaviour of some emblem icons." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319991
[13:04]  * _MMA_ has new art uploaded to Studio-Jaunty. Wonders if the disks will work soon.
[13:05] <_MMA_> (also wonders if his ISP will kill him for downloading (legally) 450GB worth of hi-def NIN video in a month)
[13:07] <thorwil> _MMA_: oh, wow. how many hours is that?
[13:09] <primes2h> pitti: Thanks for accepting my patch.
[13:09] <primes2h> ops, wrong channel.
[13:09] <_MMA_> thorwil: Most likely a week or so. There are 3 torrents. 3 different shows. Im working on the 1st now. (got about a day left)
[13:10] <_MMA_> thorwil: Or 2 depending on ho many seeds drop off.
[13:11] <_MMA_> thorwil: http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?52,378166
[13:12] <SiDi> 405 GB... crazy
[13:12] <SiDi> With my  bandwidth, in direct download, it'd take me a good year \o/
[13:14] <_MMA_> It's best that "normal" people wait for the edits to come out. There are a couple of people working on 'em. http://thisoneisonus.org
[13:15] <thorwil> _MMA_ isn't normal :)
[13:15] <_MMA_> I got a 500GB drive just to store 'em. :P
[13:16] <_MMA_> Gonna try to edit with Blender or Cinelerra.
[13:16]  * thorwil recently bought 2 1GB drives
[13:16] <_MMA_> Nice. :)
[13:17] <_MMA_> I was nuts and paid $380 when they 1st hit. I won't do that again.
[13:17] <SiDi> ouch
[13:17] <_MMA_> kwwii: So what's gonna happen with Murrine? Are you gonna push to update it to latest SVN? I'd like to chat about it if you are.
[13:19]  * _MMA_ goes to make breakfast/get the kids off to school.
[13:21] <SiDi> _MMA_: i didn't begin my own school day yet (which is pretty cool knowing its almost 3PM :D)
[13:29] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, I was thinking about it
[13:30] <kwwii> _MMA_: hit me up when you get back
[13:48] <_MMA_> kwwii: Does current murrine-SVN break old themes again?
[14:02] <Cimi_> _MMA_, I introduced a dummy control, it just prints that you should update the theme, but they will look correctly
[14:03] <Cimi_> the only thing needed is GtkScale::trough-side-details = 1
[14:03] <_MMA_> Cimi_: Ahh.... Killer. kwwii: I don't have any issue then.
[14:03] <SiDi> See you peeps
[14:03] <Cimi_> if you don't add it the GtkScale won't have the colored fill
[14:04] <_MMA_> Cimi_: Gotcha. It won't affect anything if I add it now will it?
[14:04] <Cimi_> _MMA_, it will affect old themes
[14:04] <Cimi_> ops
[14:04] <Cimi_> themes on the old engine
[14:05] <_MMA_> Ok. So Ill add it but comment it out for now.
[14:06] <Cimi_> that modification is required because now the applications could specify if they want the fill or not
[14:06] <Cimi_> this is particulari useful on the new audio mixing application
[14:06] <Cimi_> and, for example, when why have a left/right pan volume control, where a blue fill on the left part of the scale is quite idiot
[14:07] <Cimi_> now the applications may specify "do not draw the fill on the pan volume control"
[14:07] <_MMA_> Gotcha
[14:17] <_MMA_> Cimi_:  GtkScale::trough-side-details = 1 is correct? Spelling on "trough" looks odd.
[14:17] <primes2h> kwwii: I was talking about bug #319991
[14:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 319991 in icon-naming-utils "Strange behaviour of some emblem icons." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319991
[14:17] <kwwii> primes2h: yeah, not much I can do about that one I guess
[14:18] <primes2h> I just would like to know if it will be removed (in your opinion)
[14:18] <_MMA_> Cimi_:  Nevermind. It's actually in my theme already, just set to: 0. So leave it there for now but set to 1 later?
[14:18] <primes2h> the stockmail-.... emblem of course
[14:19] <kwwii> right
[14:19] <kwwii> that name is included as a legacy naming from older gnome stuff
[14:19] <kwwii> the _m makes the m in mail a hotkey
[14:19] <kwwii> oh, the jockey icons are now removed from emblems
[14:20] <primes2h> so that _m made the link error?
[14:20] <primes2h> I imagine.
[14:21] <Cimi_> _MMA_, set it to 1 when you update the engine
[14:22] <_MMA_> Cimi_: Ok.
[14:31] <kwwii> primes2h: yes
[14:38] <primes2h> kwwii: Just another thing: why there are gnome emblem in nautilus even with human theme? there is "Downloads", Erase" etc...
[14:40] <primes2h> moreover there is an inconsistency in the "erase" one.
[14:40] <kwwii> primes2h: no idea, really
[14:41] <kwwii> primes2h: the inconsistancy is because they come from different themes
[14:41] <primes2h> It's present in Edit->Backgrouns end emblems-> Emblems, but not in Properties->Emblems in right-click on a folder
[14:42] <kwwii> primes2h: my guess is that that place is the only one in which you can add emblems
[14:42] <primes2h> and there is a blank place between the "marketing" emblem and "Erase" emblem.
[14:42]  * _MMA_ guess is that it hasn't been reported, and if it has, hasn't been a priority.
[14:42] <kwwii> the entire idea of emblems is out-dated anyway
[14:42] <kwwii> what we need is tags
[14:43] <kwwii> the system should take care of emblems (like the dekstop one for instance)
[14:43]  * _MMA_ hasn't personally seen the need or value in emblems/tags.
[14:43] <primes2h> will they be replaced soon? by tags I mean
[14:44] <kwwii> I really have no idea about that as it is an upstream issue
[14:44] <kwwii> I would think not
[14:44] <primes2h> _MMA_: you are right, but at least it should be consistent in the system itself ;-)
[14:46] <primes2h> kwwii: the emblems filtering seen in nautilus is in the nautilus package itself?
[14:46] <primes2h> Or where?
[14:46] <primes2h> I could have a look
[14:47] <kwwii> primes2h: I would guess, but I am not sure
[14:47] <primes2h> who could know this?
[14:48] <primes2h> in your opinion...
[14:48] <kwwii> primes2h: someone in #ubuntu-devel
[14:49] <savvas> _MMA_: It could be useful mostly for pictures, tagging them by date, occasion, friend circle, group, etc. This is used in f-spot photo manager
[14:50] <primes2h> kwwii: you told me jockey emblems will be removed. is there a fix for jaunty already?
[14:50] <primes2h> savvas: You're right
[14:51] <_MMA_> savvas: That's pretty much what I do.
[14:53] <_MMA_> But, not to a large extent.Maybe I just don't have that large a photo collection (few thousand) but F-Sport sorts things by date. My mem is good enough I know where to look for a pic. Only think I ever make a effort to keep tagged is Music. Even though, it's not for search purposes.
[14:53] <_MMA_> I've just never been a big searcher. :) I don't use Tracker or Beagle. Oh well. :P
[15:00] <kwwii> primes2h: yes, pitti moved them in the package from emblems into the actions dir
[15:02] <primes2h> kwwii: OK, thank you very much.
[15:08] <savvas> primes2h: you might want to update the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/human-icon-theme/+bug/319991
[15:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 319991 in icon-naming-utils "Strange behaviour of some emblem icons." [Undecided,New]
[15:08] <savvas> or martin pitt will do it probably :P
[23:42] <chaslinux> Hmmn the background without the prehistoric bunny is probably better. I suppose I should recreate the bunny in Inkscape. Thought it would look cool if it was vicious, but it doesn't. I do like the BG colours though: http://www.charlesmccolm.com/sites/default/files/images/JauntyBackground-alpha.preview.jpg
[23:45] <_MMA_> I wouldn't use the bg as it will band on LCDs.
[23:46] <chaslinux> Because of the gradient?
[23:47] <chaslinux> My LCD went poof six months ago ;-(
[23:48] <chaslinux> It seems fine on my notebook, why would it band?
[23:52] <_MMA_> Exactly.
[23:52] <kwwii> in any case, to check out banding you should look at several monitors, trust me on thisone
[23:53] <chaslinux> Thanks guys... would it band on a smaller LCD or just large ones? I have access to smaller ones at work, but nothing larger than 17"?
[23:54] <chaslinux> Maybe I'll just stick to Inkscape stuff ... ;-)