[00:00] <cj> I've already done that.  Do I need to close gnome bug #119189?
[00:01] <Hobbsee> oh.  I've no idea.
[00:01] <Hobbsee> that would probably be a good idea, though
[00:02] <cj> hokay.  I am going to take a weekend to come up with something to offer to the core devs, then.
[08:38] <didrocks> Hi seb128 :)
[08:38] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:39] <didrocks> did you have a nice week-end?
[08:41] <seb128> yes
[08:41] <seb128> you?
[08:42] <didrocks> studious one :)
[08:42] <didrocks> I worked on python-gnome2-extras. The merge is done and I think is in a great shape
[08:42] <didrocks> so, I tried to update it to the last version
[08:42] <didrocks> but I need libgda4-dev
[08:43] <didrocks> can I update it / is there someone supposed to do it?
[08:43] <didrocks> (we currently only have libgda3-dev)
[08:44] <seb128> didrocks: cool
[08:44] <seb128> didrocks: I think huats has this update on his list
[08:44] <didrocks> ok. So I will wait for huats (and usual :p)
[08:44] <seb128> ;-)
[08:46] <seb128> didrocks: otherwise the update was not too hard to do?
[08:46] <didrocks> or I will ask him if I can do it (I really want to update a library)
[08:46] <didrocks> seb128: well, when you take the time needed, it's ok :)
[08:47] <seb128> right ;-)
[08:47] <didrocks> and I am happy that we can push a lot of our patch out because they are taken in debian or upstream :-)
[08:47] <didrocks> but I couldn't testbuild (for the update itself) as I do not have the library :)
[08:55] <pitti> seb128: do you know what a package has to do in order to appear in gdm's session list?
[08:55] <seb128> pitti: install a .desktop in /usr/share/xsessions
[08:56] <pitti> seb128: merci
[08:56] <seb128> de rien
[08:59] <pitti> seb128: also, does gnome-session still have hardcoded applications (such as starting panel) or are all these expressed as desktop files nowadays?
[08:59] <seb128> pitti: desktop files nowadays
[09:00] <seb128> pitti: what are you trying to do?
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: document the startup sequence
[09:00] <pitti> and I want to understand it myself
[09:01] <seb128> pitti: the new gnome-session has some stages
[09:01] <seb128> pitti: /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/filemanager has the required components, it uses corresponding .desktop installed
[09:01] <pitti> ah, that's in gconf?
[09:02] <seb128> pitti: then is starts the autostart directory in /usr/share/gnome
[09:02] <pitti> ah, I see
[09:02] <pitti> great
[09:02] <seb128> pitti: only the required components are in gconf, since you might want to decide to change your file-manager and you don't want several of those started
[09:02] <seb128> pitti: the other software are simply autostarted
[09:12] <huats> morning everyone
[09:13] <seb128> lut huats
[09:13] <didrocks> hello huats
[09:13] <huats> hello didrocks
[09:16] <huats> hey seb128
[09:19] <crevette> hello
[09:19] <seb128> lut crevette
[09:23] <didrocks> lut crevette
[09:33] <pochu> hey folks
[09:33] <pochu> seb128: do you use azerty? :)
[09:34] <seb128> pochu: hi, yes, why?
[09:34] <pochu> I read that in the wiki :)
[09:34] <seb128> crevette, didrocks, huats too
[09:34] <pochu> wow
[09:34] <seb128> that's what french keyboards use
[09:34] <pochu> looks like an strange layout :)
[09:35] <pochu> Sébastien uses X-Chat, although no-one can quite work out why. It has D-BUS support, although no-one can quite work out why. One day the session bus crashes, and Séb's IRC client vanishes into thin air. While irrelevant to this spec, he also uses AZERTY, although no-one can quite work out why.
[09:35] <pochu> ^ I bet dholbach wrote that ;)
[09:35] <seb128> lol
[09:35] <didrocks> :)
[09:35] <seb128> I don't think that was dholbach, rather daniels
[09:36] <pochu> I don't think I know daniels :)
[09:36] <didrocks> qwerty keyboard are evil, there are so many kinds of them (and I hate Irish one for personal reason :p)
[09:38] <seb128> pochu: he used to maintain xorg for ubuntu
[09:39] <crevette> pochu, daniel Stone
[09:40] <seb128> the thing other people don't like about azerty is that you need to use modifier to type brackets or numbers ;-)
[09:42] <pochu> I guess he wasn't in Prague
[09:43] <pochu> in the Spanish layout you need to use modifiers for many punctuation symbols
[09:43] <pochu> but not for numbers :)
[09:43] <pochu> is it already known where next UDS will be?
[09:43] <seb128> next uds will be in catalonia
[09:43] <didrocks> seb128: that was the only benefit that I saw from Irish keyboard
[09:43] <didrocks> but now, I code more into python, so... :)
[09:44] <seb128> no, daniels wasn't at uds, he stopped working for canonical some years ago
[10:56] <ksatux> exit
[11:54] <asac> seb128: "evolution: converting pop account to imap requires restart to show imap folders"
[11:54] <asac> known issue?
[12:03] <seb128> asac: I would guess so but I don't have the bug number handy
[12:03] <seb128> that's a detail though, you don't change account type often
[12:07] <asac> seb128: really minor. just ended up in that situation ;)
[12:08] <seb128> I think I've read bugs about that but I'm being lazy to search for one now
[12:08] <seb128> how come you are using evolution and not thunderbird? ;-)
[12:08] <asac> seb128: hmmm ... i couldn't find a dupe ... filed gnome bug 569179
[12:08] <asac> seb128: if you are sure i can invalidate it again
[12:09] <seb128> let me check, maybe somebody told me about the issue but that was not a bug
[12:09] <asac> seb128: i am going through apps to check for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Jaunty/DesktopNetworkChanging
[12:09] <seb128> ah ok
[12:10] <seb128> asac: that's similar to gnome bug #209239, not sure that's the same though
[12:11] <seb128> asac: let it open they will triage it
[12:11] <asac> seb128: yep. will drop  a hing about the other bug
[12:12] <asac> seb128: err. that one is resolved for 8 years ;)?
[12:12] <seb128> yeah don't bother
[12:12] <seb128> that's the only one I found using a quick search
[12:13] <seb128> I know I've a frequent issue which is that new boxes are not listed until restart but that's probably a different bug
[12:13] <seb128> I use procmail on the server and which it moves things to a new box it's not listed until restart
[12:24] <asac> seb128: new box == maildir?
[12:24] <asac> or mbox?
[12:24] <seb128> dunno, folder or the imap server
[12:24] <seb128> or -> on
[12:24] <seb128> whatever the server is using for storage I don't know
[12:42] <asac> so evolution behaves quiet nice on network manager reconnects as it seems
[12:42] <asac> maybe send/receive when disconnected waits for timeout instead of fast failing
[12:43] <asac> yes it does
[12:43] <asac> hmm seb isnt here ;)
[12:43]  * asac should unignore PARTS
[12:48] <pochu> so, you report a bug in malone, and people subscribed to the package receive a [NEW] mail with some Message-Id. Then if you add a comment from the web UI, you get a mail with a References: the original Message-Id, no matter if it's the 1st or the 10th comment. That's ok. But then somebody reassigns the package from foo to vinagre, and I get a [NEW] message with a new Message-Id, and when somebody adds a comment, his mail has a References to the 
[12:49] <pochu> maybe when somebody reassigns the package, I could be sent the old initial mail, so that it has the same Message-Id
[12:50]  * pochu is not sure
[12:50] <pochu> or maybe that's a bit of a corner case it's not worth it :)
[12:53] <huats> fta: ping
[12:55] <pedro_> mvo: hey!, are you going to be around this Thursday (29) ? I'm planning to run a compiz hug day, the package currently has ~300 bugs in new state
[12:56] <seb128> ok, this gtk update is no fun, it crashes gdm there which autorespawn, it stops doing that after starting some xorg server due to an xorg limitation apparently but dpkg was craching after trying to dpkg -r gdm-new then
[13:02] <mvo> pedro_: yes, I'm here
[13:03]  * pochu waves at pedro_ and slomo :)
[13:03] <pedro_> mvo: great, it'd be just in case someone has a question regarding a report that day, i'll set up everything then, thanks you!
[13:03] <pedro_> hey hey pochu
[13:03] <mvo> thanks
[13:03] <pochu> pedro_: hi! how's everything?
[13:04] <pochu> pedro_: I've been told next UDS is in Spain! maybe I can go :)
[13:04] <pedro_> pochu: going great, how about you?
[13:05] <pochu> good, finishing my exams for this semester
[13:05] <pedro_> pochu: yeah Barcelona. Yup, you're pretty close right? like an ~1 hour flight or so
[13:07] <pochu> yeah, more or less
[13:12]  * seb128 kicks bugzilla not responding
[13:13]  * pedro_ hugs seb128
[13:13] <pedro_> bonjour seb128
[13:13] <seb128> hey pedro_
[13:13] <seb128> now it's responding
[13:13] <seb128> ok, it seems they screwed gtk 2.15.1
[13:13]  * seb128 downgrades gtk and reinstall gdm
[13:31] <seb128> ok, back to a normal working session
[13:31] <seb128> no cookie for gdm today
[13:31] <seb128> or gtk rather
[15:24] <crevette> seb128, the session loading is uberly long these days, don't you feel ?
[15:24] <seb128> crevette: yes, I blame vuntz and the new gnome-session
[15:25] <crevette> ah okay, it is true I see the disk idling for a long time, I guess a component wait something that doens't happen
[15:30] <slomo> seb128: please sync gst-plugins-good0.10 0.10.13-2 :)
[15:30] <seb128> slomo: will do, thanks for the quick update ;-)
[15:46] <andreasn> mpt, ok, spinner-thingy done
[15:46] <andreasn> mpt, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558367
[15:49] <ember> when adding launchpad-integration, the lpi menus have to stay between "contents" and "about" or can we just start with the lpi menus?
[16:03] <asac> seb128: you know anyone who uses ekiga?
[16:03] <seb128> asac: no
[16:03] <seb128> asac: I think pitti and dholbach have accounts, not sure if they use those though
[16:04] <dobey> andreasn: guess i'll have to actually make a 2.25 release now, eh?
[16:04] <asac> seb128: thanks.
[16:04] <asac> pitti: can you check whether ekiga does something sane when NM goes offline/online?
[16:05] <andreasn> dobey, yes, if you want to make mpt happy :)
[16:05]  * asac looks in ekiga code for hints now
[16:08] <asac> seems they even have advanced NM handling somewhat
[16:13]  * mpt hugs andreasn 
[16:13] <pitti> asac: I use it occasionally, in times when my network isn't too slow
[16:13] <pitti> asac: yes, let me try
[16:15] <pitti> asac: ekiga doesn't do anything, connections just die; and if it gets back up, it doesn't auto-reconnect (i. e. auto-register to your accounts again)
[16:15] <pitti> OTOH, pidgin DTRT now \o/
[16:16] <asac> pitti: hehe
[16:17] <asac> pitti: now the more complicated part: change of primary route: when connect to wireless or 3g (and wired unplugged) ... and then plugging in wired your primary default route will change
[16:17] <asac> pitti: i think all apps have to reconnect in that case ... probably nobody implements that though
[16:18] <asac> probably because previously there was no such thing as multiple devices
[16:19] <asac> a bit strange. ekiga has all the backend code to track individual interfaces being upped/downed etc. not sure why thats not connected. lets file a bug
[16:21] <asac> 321509
[16:21] <asac> pitti: ^^
[16:22] <pitti> thanks
[16:22] <seb128> asac: you can try asking on irc.gnome.org they have an ekiga channel there
[16:22] <pitti> asac: but isn't the very purpose of keeping the old interface up that programs don't have to reconnect?
[16:24] <asac> pitti: not really sure. but i guess when a socket is opened on a specific IP it will route the packages through the default route for that device? (even if priority is less)?
[16:25] <seb128> mpt: what locale do you use?
[16:25] <asac> in any case: worth a try ;)
[16:25] <mpt> seb128, I don't know, I was just trying to find out and couldn't work out how to :-]
[16:25] <seb128> mpt: "locale" on a command line or use apport to open bugs
[16:25] <mpt> Language Selector doesn't tell me (though it will in Jaunty!)
[16:25] <mpt> and GDM doesn't tell me, it just says "Last Language"
[16:25] <seb128> mpt: your trash bug is a translation issue
[16:26] <mpt> ah, ok
[16:26] <seb128> mpt: I would recommend using apport to send bugs
[16:26] <seb128> mpt: so you get those informations for free in the bug
[16:26] <seb128> and the package version you are using, etc
[16:27] <mpt> So it's the Australian translators' fault
[16:27] <mpt> Might have guessed ;-)
[16:27] <seb128> right
[16:27] <cj> morning folks
[16:27] <asac> mvo: what can be done for jaunty + update-manager + NM connect status?
[16:27] <asac> mvo: am i supposed to deliver you example code or something?
[16:27] <asac> or patch around directly in update-manager :-P
[16:27] <seb128> mpt: I reassigned the bug to the language pack now
[16:29] <mpt> thanks
[16:30] <seb128> you're welcome
[16:45] <dholbach> hello my friends
[16:45]  * dholbach hugs y'All
[16:47] <dholbach> does anybody of you have an idea why the icon does not show up for me on        https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsane/+bug/129687         ?
[16:53] <andreasn> dholbach, in /usr/share/icons/gnome/22x22/devices/
[16:53] <andreasn> do you have scanner.png there?
[16:54] <andreasn> and does it work if you change from human-icon-theme to gnome-icon-theme?
[16:54] <andreasn> as your icon theme
[16:56] <seb128> pitti: is there anything blocking the evolution-data-server evolution evolution-exchange 2.24.3 updates to move to intrepid-updates?
[16:57] <dholbach> andreasn: gnome-icon-theme icon is there - rugby471 is trying to figure this out... using the same icon in the gimp desktop file it all works nicely
[16:57] <pitti> seb128: there are three verification-failed, but unless they are regressions we can just leave them open
[16:58] <seb128> pitti: right, that fixes a lot of issues, some bugfixes didn't work though but I don't think we got complain about new issues
[16:59] <seb128> pitti: the current intrepid-updates version crashes when trying to edit any account setting
[16:59] <seb128> pitti: so having the new version moved to updates would be useful
[17:00] <pitti> okay
[17:02] <seb128> pitti: well I don't want to force the update if you have an issue, we just have users waiting for those updates so I was wondering if they were blocked on something
[17:02] <pitti> seb128: no, that's fine; thanks for the ping
[17:02] <pitti> I didn't look at SRU today yet
[17:03] <seb128> ;-)
[17:03] <seb128> pitti: thanks!
[17:03] <andreasn> dholbach, does it look the same if you browse nautilus to /usr/share/applications?
[17:03] <rugby471> andreasn: good idea
[17:04] <dholbach> andreasn: no, it has the proper icon
[17:04] <seb128> dholbach: are you the only one to get the issue?
[17:04] <rugby471> dholbach: can you cd into ~/.local/share/applications and list any files in there?
[17:05] <pitti> seb128: done
[17:05] <seb128> pitti: danke
[17:05] <dholbach> rugby471: just deleted the whole thing :)
[17:05] <rugby471> kl
[17:06] <rugby471> hehe
[17:06] <dholbach> killed gnome-panel, still looking ugly
[17:06] <seb128> dholbach: I've an idea what the issue is, try using a non-de locale
[17:07] <dholbach> seb128: need to do that later, on a call right now
[17:07] <dholbach> :)
[17:07] <rugby471> when you are ready :-)
[17:07] <seb128> we had similar issue before due to the gettext change
[17:08] <seb128> it's trying to translate the icon
[17:08] <rugby471> hehe
[17:08] <rugby471> oops
[17:08] <seb128> if there is a string in your locale which has a different translation it'll try to use the translated name as an icon
[17:08] <rugby471> seb128: so how do you solve it?
[17:09] <seb128> you don't right now
[17:09] <rugby471> oh...
[17:09] <seb128> that's a bug in the gettext patch we have
[17:09] <seb128> though pitti's work should fix that
[17:09] <rugby471> so when will that be fixed?
[17:09] <seb128> when somebody send a patch to fix the issue or find a good way to do that?
[17:10] <seb128> that's really a corner case
[17:10] <rugby471> oh so there is no fix atm
[17:10] <seb128> that's not every day that you get an icon name matching a word translated in the same application
[17:10] <seb128> no
[17:10] <rugby471> so if it is that problem, would we update xsane anyway?
[17:11] <seb128> why not?
[17:11] <seb128> the issue seems german specific there
[17:11] <rugby471> I was just asking, first bug I have fixed
[17:11] <rugby471> :-)
[17:11] <seb128> I didn't read the details about what you want to change
[17:12] <seb128> but that's not really an application bug
[17:12] <rugby471> yeah just a visual improvement
[17:12] <rugby471> all it does is substitue the old xsane icon for a generic scanne ricon form gnome-icon-theme
[17:17] <dholbach> seb128: en_UK works
[17:17] <seb128> dholbach: ok, so that's the german translation having a string identic to the icon name
[17:17] <rugby471> ah
[17:17] <rugby471> horray
[17:18] <seb128> and they translate it to something different
[17:18] <seb128> and it's trying to use the translated name
[17:22] <rugby471> dholbach: so how do we go forward?
[17:22] <dholbach> rugby471: I can upload it - the patch is good, we should just forward it upstream :)
[17:23] <rugby471> kl :-)
[17:23] <rugby471> seb123 & andreasn : thanks for your help!!
[17:24] <seb128> you're welcome, thanks for your work
[17:25] <mvo> asac: if you have example code that is fine
[17:25] <mvo> asac: but I don't think there is anything really required from you except for maybe a example how to detect 3g connections
[17:27] <dholbach> rugby471: uploaded
[17:38] <mvo> asac: I need to leave now, lets talk about it tomorrow