[00:00] <nikolam> did you boot from CD using rescue alternate cd or from hd, choosing rescue?
[00:00] <nikolam> Why would you boot to rescue if only modem was a problem?
[00:00] <PorkSod1> well I did a recovery mode
[00:00] <nikolam> is it telephone line modem or any other line type modem?
[00:01] <nikolam> PorkSod1, why from recovery mode?
[00:01] <PorkSod1> yes
[00:01] <nikolam> is it USb modem or PCi modem?
[00:01] <PorkSod1> I couldn't think of anything else
[00:01] <nikolam> are you in X windows or in shell?
[00:01] <PorkSod1> pci
[00:01] <PorkSod1> in the shell
[00:02] <nikolam> well boot normal with default kernel.
[00:02] <nikolam> aha..
[00:02] <nikolam> your modem IS working now with THAT kernel, right?
[00:02] <PorkSod1> yep
[00:02] <nikolam> but when you boot normally, doesn`t
[00:03] <PorkSod1> it won't work with the updated packages that downloaded
[00:03] <nikolam> first you need to know what modem you exactly use
[00:03] <nikolam> use lspci command to identify modem
[00:03] <nikolam> rocko> lspci, lshw, dmidecode Mooch
[00:03] <PorkSod1> so I think I need another driver but don't know the right one to download
[00:04] <nikolam> maybe only some action is needed after kenle update. Like it is on my wireless on eeepc I have.
[00:04] <PorkSod1> Modem: PCTel Inc HSP MicroModem 56 (rev 02)
[00:05] <PorkSod1> I know I need a driver but how do you know what kernel version the updates contain?
[00:05] <nikolam> PorkSod1, http://linmodems.org/
[00:06] <PorkSod1> I am on the actual site of my modem driver
[00:06] <nikolam> use pastebin.ubunut.org to paste content of your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:06] <PorkSod1> where is that located
[00:07] <PorkSod1> oh that is a website
[00:07] <PorkSod1> nikolam: that is a website?
[00:08] <nikolam> yup
[00:08] <PorkSod1> ok
[00:08] <nikolam> pastebin.ubuntu.org typo, sorry
[00:10] <PorkSod1> nikolam: u think I need another driver?
[00:11] <nikolam> i don`t  knoow. did you ppaste  it?
[00:11] <PorkSod1> no not yet give me a minute
[00:15] <nikolam> PorkSod1, see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/20399
[00:15] <nikolam> and this: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/
[00:17] <nikolam> Here is a way I think: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/pctel-ubuntu.txt
[00:17] <nikolam> PorkSod1, http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/pctel-ubuntu.txt
[00:18] <nikolam> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html
[00:19] <nikolam> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/pctel-0.9.7-9-rht-10.tar.gz
[00:20] <DaveDixonII> I would like to note that on xUbuntu, after playing music for some time the music starts to skip. This doesn't happen in Ubuntu
[00:24] <RediXe> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)      Anyway to install the .deb file or am I foobar'd?
[00:25] <PorkSod1>  http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/pctel-0.9.7-9-rht-10.tar.gz this is the driver
[00:25] <nikolam> RediXe, not recommended. What you are installing?
[00:26] <nikolam> Pork There are explanations there
[00:26] <PorkSod1> ok
[00:26] <RediXe> nikolam, http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/workbench/5.1.html
[00:28] <PorkSod1> nikolam:    let me ask you this:  will the updates give any specs on what kernel version is being updated?
[00:29] <RediXe> nikolam, that link was followed from: http://www.fabforce.net/downloads.php
[00:29] <diib> Hello?
[00:30] <PorkSod1> another words how do you know to what version is being updated to
[00:31] <nikolam> RediXe, i didn`t paste fabforce link.
[00:32] <RediXe> nikolam, ?
[00:32] <nikolam> PorkSod1, Just see explanation there and information how to install inside archive.
[00:32] <nikolam> PorkSod1, My guess is that you download it now
[00:32] <nikolam> and that after that installation process is done under updated kernel with default boot
[00:32] <RediXe> nikolam, the second link is just the site that sent me to the first link
[00:32] <nikolam> anyway, take a look to ubuntuforums.org, too
[00:33] <PorkSod1> alright thanx
[00:34] <nikolam> PorkSod1, yes, i pasted same link twice
[00:35] <PorkSod1> oh sorry I see it now
[00:37] <PorkSod1>  nikolam pctel-0.9.7-9-rht-6_for_Ubuntu-2.6.15-23-386.tgz thats the driver I have now
[00:37] <nikolam> Pork Read instructions. You know how to unpack it?
[00:38] <nikolam> PorkSod1, I would do installation when I am under default boot if i am on your place.
[00:39] <nikolam> PorkSod1, also i use external SER(RS232) modem for those reasons. This days, modems are tooslow for updates anyway.
[00:40] <PorkSod1> what I did on the old one was extract it then open up the driver with the terminal then cd src then sudo make install like the old one
[00:40] <PorkSod1> rs232 modem ? hmmm how does it work
[00:42] <PorkSod1> what kind of modem is that?
[00:44] <PorkSod1> nikolam:  You still there?
[00:46] <nikolam> hah PorkSod1 I never installed winmodem in my life, but shoot
[00:47] <nikolam> maybe you would be amused to know that pork is console-based AIM client :)
[00:49] <Mooch> nikolam: you still there
[00:51] <Mooch> I had a question if I did a recovery mode will my updated driver work or not
[00:51] <Mooch> for my modem that is
[00:54] <Mooch> or does anyone know If a recovery mode is done can you download a new driver for your modem and will it work ?
[00:54] <nikolam> PorkSod1, modems are old technology. Serial modem is the same as rs232. external beast that attaches itself to serial port of computer (9-pin) if you have a port like that. It just works with every OS form MSDOS to ..whatever.
[00:55] <nikolam> Mooch, read some instructions in that archive
[00:55] <nikolam> and on those sites
[00:55] <nikolam> but now when you have archive regular install is ./configure , make,  sudo make install
[00:55] <Mooch> I will I have bookmarked them so the rs232 is the external your talking about correct
[00:56] <Mooch> right
[00:57] <nikolam> But search a bit around, for every thing i was searching for, i found multiple solutions and hints everywhere
[00:57] <Mooch> well the easiest is external modem
[00:58] <Mooch> I plan on buying one soon
[01:01] <Mooch> which is what you were referring to as the rs232
[01:02] <Mooch> I did the recovery mode does that eliminate the updates or what does the recovery mode do
[01:04] <Mooch> nikolam: I hate to bother you but tell me what does the recovery mode
[01:05] <Mooch> do
[01:06] <nikolam> Mooch, in my experience I used to use recovery mode by booting from alternate cd in command line so that I could fix /etc/boot/menu.lst so i can boot.
[01:07] <nikolam> I mostly never used desktop cd but only alternate to do first install
[01:07] <Mooch> ok since I did it didn't affect my updates
[01:07] <nikolam> also i use 8.04/hardy
[01:07] <Mooch> I am using 6.06 lts
[01:08] <nikolam> WOW that is old
[01:08] <nikolam> why not 8.04?
[01:08] <Mooch> yeah trying to upgrade once I get my modem driver
[01:08] <nikolam> there is 8.04.2 available
[01:08] <nikolam> it would be too much traffic to download with 56k modem..
[01:09] <Mooch> if you know knome he told me to upgrade to 8.04 then 8.10. yeah I know don't have broadband where I live makes me angry
[01:09] <nikolam> Even like that it would be better to download 8.04.2 alternate (or desktop) xubuntu CD and install from that
[01:10] <Mooch> thats just it I can't get a cd anywhere with the alternate and the download is a pain getting
[01:10] <nikolam> You can ask for someone in your closest LoCo (Local community) to give you a copy of Ubuntu DVD LTS (8.04.1 or 8.04.2 if it is out)
[01:11] <nikolam> Or request CD`s to be mailed to you on ubuntu web site.
[01:11] <nikolam> I got my first ubuntu that way, by cd`s in mail :)
[01:11] <Mooch> but they don't have Xubuntu do they?
[01:11] <nikolam> And I also had modem for a Year and a half :)
[01:12] <nikolam> I think not, but never mind, xubuntu-desktop fixes that :)
[01:12] <nikolam> Your local LoCo would be place to start requesting copy of Cd`s and dvd`s
[01:12] <nikolam> Mooch, where do you live?
[01:12] <Mooch> I'll try that
[01:13] <Mooch> in the US Mississippi
[01:13] <nikolam> well you must have bunc of comuter clubs or just some internet caffe there. or shop. Ask from them to Write ubuntu DVD for you
[01:14] <nikolam> also look at the loco list on ubuntu pages for nearest.
[01:14] <Mooch> I will do that because I need a cd bad or even a dvd
[01:14] <nikolam> You can even contact someone who lives nearest to you, for DVD`s and CD`s
[01:14] <Mooch> downloading is such a pain
[01:14] <nikolam> in my opinion it is best to have Xubuntu alternate CD + ubuntu DVD
[01:15] <Mooch> oh really Ubuntu as well tell me why
[01:15] <nikolam> :) I downloaded 6.10 and then 7.04 with modem, I know :)
[01:15] <nikolam> DVD have more software on it the CD :)
[01:15] <Mooch> yeah very true
[01:16] <nikolam> You add DVD as repository and you can add more software to installed xubuntu :)
[01:16] <nikolam> to dowload less :)
[01:16] <nikolam> Mooch, What cpu/Ram/disk you have?
[01:17] <Mooch> 128mb amd Athlon 30gb used to be my dad's
[01:18] <Mooch> I plan on upgrade the ram and the hard drive
[01:18] <nikolam> Ram is first thing.
[01:18] <Mooch> oh thats my plan
[01:19] <Mooch> I was gonna do a dual boot with my windows comp but wanted to try Ubuntu and learn how to use it
[01:20] <nikolam> Yes I did the same thing 2 years ago
[01:21] <nikolam> I also have one P3-733 384Mb installed with Xubuntu 8.04
[01:21] <Mooch> how much ram do you really need to run 8.04?
[01:21] <nikolam> Also use Firestarter to set up firewall when you finish everything
[01:21] <nikolam> on that machine it is usable.
[01:21] <nikolam> I think 256 is ok to work.
[01:22] <nikolam> 128 il a bil low i think.
[01:22] <Mooch> yeah very true
[01:22] <nikolam> see xubuntu.org for requested hardware
[01:22] <Mooch> you said use firestarter isn't Xubuntu secure?
[01:24] <nikolam> Mooch, hahaaa see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/PcTel
[01:25] <nikolam> Mooch, it is advised to have firewall active. Firewall is integrated in Linux in kenel Firestarter is just GUI to set things up. it is not required to be on screen after set up
[01:26] <nikolam> xubuntu is very secure upon install because ubuntu in general is desktop system and does not open Any services to network
[01:26] <nikolam> but I like to see things tight and nice :)
[01:27] <nikolam> after install and everything, firestarter is available from synaptic
[01:27] <Mooch> yeah true
[01:27] <Mooch> ok good I will definitely use firestarter
[01:27] <nikolam> Mooch, seen that pctel page from Wiki?
[01:28] <Mooch> no I havent
[01:28] <Mooch> I bookmarked the link you posted
[01:28] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/PcTel
[01:28] <nikolam> ha ha I think that is Detailed Howto for PcTel on Ubuntu
[01:29] <nikolam> you can find ton of things on help.ubuntu.com
[01:29] <Mooch> great I appreciate that
[01:30] <Mooch> I plan on the external modem for sure
[01:31] <nikolam> Mooch, I hate that Howto. i think it is old.. :(
[01:31] <Mooch> oh the links
[01:32] <nikolam> it is best. You can get one from ebay or something very cheap. Hust look for external serial one .
[01:32] <source> saluton
[01:32] <Mooch> I will
[01:33] <nikolam> Mooch, Maybe last few commands on the bottom of that dovument could be used
[01:33] <Mooch> yeah I was reading that
[01:34] <Mooch> I got lost when I was reading this page the first time
[01:34] <Mooch> after trial and error walahh it dialed:)
[01:36] <nikolam> Mooch, see also this. Seems it works with 8.04 but after update it needs recompilation http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171163&page=3
[01:37] <Mooch> the driver installed and I was like I'm now in the linux world. if you haven't read the recent news about Linux and another windows operating system in the works most people are preferring linux
[01:38] <Mooch> I don't blame them windows is too overrated
[01:39] <Mooch> thanks for the links and info I appreciate that nikolam
[01:40] <nikolam> linux is still missing wide support from games developers but there is ton of games working on linux, some free some with wine etc. Also some graphic/pro sfotware is not ported, intentionally (adobe, autodesk) but rest things you don`t need Microsoft anymore for nothing.
[01:40] <nikolam> Mooch, I am glad I could help a bit
[01:41] <nikolam> Mooch, I am from Europe, Serbia, btw. It is 02:40am here now :)
[01:41] <nikolam> Maybe I should sleep a bit :)
[01:41] <Mooch> 2am yes u need sleep
[01:41] <Mooch> let me add you to my friends list
[01:42] <Mooch> its barely 7:44pm here:)
[01:43] <Mooch> but let me get going and if I run into some trouble I'll let you know
[01:43] <nikolam> hah nice.
[01:43] <nikolam> CU then :)
[01:44] <Mooch> thanks again
[01:44] <Mooch> take care get some sleep
[01:48] <rocko> I switched
[01:48] <rocko> back to fluxbox :D
[01:48] <rocko> I use gtk-chtheme to manage the gtk themes :D
[02:16] <mgroman> !ohmy | knome
[02:46] <antonehenry> >	Need help with iPod + Podcast + Banshee -  anybody got any experience with an iPod not being able to sync Podcasts?  Thanks!!
[03:50] <Melik> how can i kill X server?
[04:49] <CoJaBo-Aztec> How do I change resolution and refresh rate? There doesn't seem to be an option anywhere.
[04:59] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to change resolution and refresh rate?
[05:52] <mgroman> !ohmy | ubottu
[07:26] <the-erm> is it possible to have 2 monitors work in xubuntu?
[07:27] <the-erm> if so ... how?  a url for a how-to would be nice :)
[07:28] <TheSheep> !xinerama
[07:29] <the-erm> thanks TheSheep
[10:04] <tingle> is there some sort of http page where new planned releases are listed?
[10:04] <tingle> im using 8.10 now and wondering when new release will come
[10:04] <knome> !release
[10:04] <tingle> for hardware upgrade uses..
[10:04] <tingle> mkay ty
[10:05] <knome> tingle, 8.10 means october (10) 2008 (8)
[10:06] <tingle> hehe diddnt see that
[10:06] <tingle> so the next one will prolly come arround april correct?
[10:07] <knome> at the end of april, yes.
[10:07] <tingle> ty
[10:08] <knome> if you're adventurous and don't mind breaking something in your system (or your system) once in a while there is already alphas of jaunty
[10:08] <age6racer> Hi all, I've been having difficulty with Xubuntu 8.10 and certain broadband modem routers. The one at my Dad's (Orange UK) and mine at home (02 UK) both act very weird.
[10:08] <age6racer> I get an IP from both of them but I cannot ping any address on the network or get acess to internet
[10:08] <age6racer> any ideas?
[10:09] <tingle> knome: yeah i just read something about it but i dont think i really have time for it. would like to try to though xD
[10:43] <jaja> Hi, anyone know how to solve this problem (Intel DG45ID very low volume)??  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271519
[13:13] <Guest3115> Hello i have problem whit alsa sometimes no sound functioning som tines only rhaigt cahnnel sound
[13:36] <Guest33761> hello to everybody
[13:37] <Guest33761> can anybody here help me to get the netbook-remix started?
[13:38] <Guest33761> ich suche jemanden der mir hilft den netbook-remix zum laufen zu bringen, bin am verzweifeln
[13:39] <Guest33761> halllo??
[13:41] <dayo__> versuch's mal mit #ubuntu-de
[13:41] <Guest33761> danke
[13:41] <dayo__> gern geschehen
[13:41] <dayo__> hier ist meistens tote hose
[13:42] <Myrtti> please use English since you know where the German channel is
[13:42] <dayo__> Myrtti: i was referring him to said german channel
[13:42] <dayo__> chill out
[13:43] <Myrtti> dayo__: I saw you referring to the said german channel, I just have a vague idea what the two *other* lines are for... but sure, have a nice day
[13:44] <dayo__> i was letting him know that it's quit dead in here, and he'd be better of asking for help in the german channel
[13:44] <dayo__> have a nice day too
[16:22] <mrbichel> Hello
[16:23] <Pres-Gas> Hello
[16:23] <mrbichel> I am searching for some advice on configuring my touchpad in xubuntu. Do I need to edit xinput manually or is tehre a gui tool that I just can't seem to find?
[16:24] <vinnl> !touchpad
[16:24] <Pres-Gas> mrbichel, so you are looking at doing things like enabling the scroll and whatnot?
[16:24] <Pres-Gas> vinnl FTW!!!
[16:25] <mrbichel> mainly I just want to turn of click when I tab the touchpad since it is way to sensitive.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> The gui is gsynaptics
[16:26] <mrbichel> thanks!
[16:26] <mrbichel> now it works :)
[16:31] <mrbichel> I have another issue - in ubuntu I configured a tertiary activator for my keyboard layour for brackets (at) etc. However I can't activate the third level activator in the similar xubuntu gui.
[16:34] <charlie-tca> mrbichel: I think you are right. Xubuntu does not use the gui for that. You probably have to define your own shorcut.
[16:35] <mrbichel> can I map the tertiary key to a command and enter it as a shortcut through the gui?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> I think so
[16:36] <mrbichel> do you know if there is a build in command or do I need to create one?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but some docs on it is /usr/share/themes/Default/xfwm4/keythemerc
[16:39] <mrbichel> ok thanks il look at that
[16:59] <Melik> does XFCE have a power manager or something?
[16:59] <Melik> im not able to shutdown, hibernate, or anything
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Melik: Applications -> Settings -> Power Management
[17:00] <Melik> dont have it :$
[17:00] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[17:01] <Melik> well not exactly xubuntu
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Then perhaps ask on #xfce
[17:01] <Melik> it was ubuntu originally, and i just removed gnome entirely and installed xfce
[17:01] <Melik> ok thanks
[17:04] <TheSheep> xuuntu uses gnome-power-manager
[17:04] <TheSheep> xubuntu*
[17:05] <charlie-tca> But if he removed gnome completely and only installed xfce, that should not exist?
[17:17] <ace__> ditch listen and transmission
[18:17] <mrbichel> I figured it out now - I needed to use xmodmap.
[18:23] <mrbichel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/109955/ - Thanks for your help! - I am really loving xubuntu - xfce is just blazing fast!
[18:24] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Always glad to hear it is working for you! :-)
[18:35] <mrbichel> seems I can still run all of my gnome programs - do they run slow then or do they just use xfce instead?
[18:35] <knome> mrbichel, they use the gnome libraries, but xfce uses some gnome parts anyway + they both build on gtk
[18:39] <mrbichel> ahh I see
[18:40] <kahrn> this isn't a knock
[18:40] <kahrn> but
[18:40] <kahrn> well, I use xfce
[18:41] <kahrn> but would using QT not be faster?
[18:41] <knome> even if it was, xfce wasn't going to migrate
[18:41] <mrbichel> QT?
[18:41] <knome> you can always kde if you want QT
[18:41] <knome> !qt
[18:42] <knome> and it's Qt, not QT
[18:42] <kahrn> :/
[18:42] <knome> kahrn, you see, switching to Qt would mean redoing *many* things.
[18:42] <kahrn> yeah, I know
[18:42] <kahrn> I know it'll never happen
[18:43] <kahrn> but just wondered why they chose gtk
[18:43] <knome> talk to the xfce project starter?
[18:45] <kahrn> I plan on doing some benchmarks (KDE3.x, KDE4.2, Xfce, Gnome)
[18:45] <knome> that's a completely different thing
[18:45] <kahrn> just to find out the real differences
[18:46] <kahrn> as I generally thing the differences are relatively small
[18:46] <knome> i think there already is some comparisons
[18:46] <kahrn> think*
[18:46] <knome> xfce is very close to gnome (but lighter), kde is heavier than both those
[18:47] <kahrn> yeah
[18:47] <jarnos> I suppose differences are more clear on older hardware.
[18:47] <knome> agree with jarnos.
[18:48] <kahrn> when I was using Xfce on my 500Mhz/128MB laptop I ended up falling back to fluxbox
[18:48] <knome> also if you compare older versions of xfce/gnome, you get way better performance with xfce
[18:49] <jarnos> knome: Do you mean xfce has become heavier compared to gnome?
[18:49] <knome> jarnos, not heavier than gnome, but the difference is smaller nowadays.
[18:50] <charlie-tca> I have to say, if you really want to see the difference, try a PII 400MHz cpu
[18:50] <knome> ;)
[18:51] <knome> i have one in a closet
[18:51] <jarnos> I have a couple of PII ~300MHz.
[18:51] <kahrn> on my 500Mhz machine I just gave up with the big three and used fluxbox
[18:51] <jarnos> kahrn: big three?
[18:52] <kahrn> Xfce, KDE, Gnome
[18:52] <jarnos> kahrn: ah
[18:52] <charlie-tca> I use xubuntu because it uses Xfce and GTK. KDE with Qt won't run
[18:53] <charlie-tca> and when I do have to have Qt load because of an app, I usually have to remove it and find something else.
[18:53] <knome> isn't fluxbox only window manager (and not a desktop environment like xfce, gnome and kde)
[18:53] <kahrn> yeah
[18:53] <kahrn> you have to use a few other packages to do things
[18:53] <wemakeyousoundba> fluxbox rocks
[18:53] <kahrn> like display a background
[18:54] <kahrn> but once it's themed well and set up nicely, it is good.
[18:55] <kahrn> I think my interest in xfce is more to do with the simplicity of the UI than the possible performance benefits
[18:56] <jarnos> Could Xfce be optimized to speed more?
[18:56] <jarnos> What makes it slower nowdays?
[18:56] <knome> jarnos, well... why not. xfce 4.6 is doing that.
[18:57] <knome> jarnos, more features, more code...
[18:57] <wemakeyousoundba> less speed
[18:59] <jarnos> I suppose the speed gain of parallel startup in Xfce 4.6 will have more effect on multiprocessor machines, but I would think hard drive access is even slower that way.
[19:00] <jarnos> ..at least if you have only one hard drive.
[19:00] <jarnos> But maybe this is a devel channel topic.
[19:02] <knome> jarnos, not all of the processes necessarily need the whole cpu speed
[19:02] <knome> jarnos, especially light things at startup
[19:03] <knome> jarnos, so the difference might not show in *low-end* machines rather than single/multiprocessor or hard drive quantitites
[19:09] <wemakeyousoundba> !wicd
[19:09] <wemakeyousoundba> !info wicd
[19:35] <atari> is there a way to disable the search function in the web bar of firefox? i'd like to have the behaviour of firefox2
[19:51] <diensthunds> has anybody done any work on wifi ap setup?
[20:04] <knome> atari, maybe ask some firefox support channel/forum
[20:19] <Ultraputz> anyone good with evolution / calendaring >
[20:30] <atari> knome: i just thought thats a "standard" question ;)
[20:32] <knome> atari, looks like nobody can answer that so..
[20:33] <atari> knome: browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped has to be setted to true <-- that says it all
[20:33] <atari> thx anyway
[20:41] <forces> saluton
[20:43] <chrs> Hallo
[21:14] <rocko> where are the start up logs located?
[21:14] <rocko> the boot up messages logs
[21:18] <charlie-tca> If they are enabled, they are in /var/log/boot , rocko
[21:19] <rocko> ok
[21:19] <rocko> thanks charlie-tca
[21:19] <charlie-tca> you're welcome
[21:21] <chrs> i just installed xubuntu, but it much slower then xp on an very old laptop. Do you guys think another wm might work?
[21:24] <zoredache> chrs: possibly... what are the specs?  installing more memory may improve things...
[21:26] <rocko> fluxbox maybe chrs
[21:26] <chrs> laptop 1000 mhz 256 mb pentium 3
[21:27] <chrs> is fluxbox easy to work with, im new with
[21:27] <chrs> ubuntu/linux
[21:29] <MikyMouse> Hi guys
[21:30] <MikyMouse> Is there any server version for xubuntu?
[21:30] <zoredache> the server version of all *buntus are the same...
[21:31] <MikyMouse> zoredache, so If I already have Ubuntu Server, will it be the same as if I were installing Xubuntu server?
[21:32] <zoredache> xubuntu, is the core of ubuntu with XFCE installed.  Ubuntu server is pretty much just the ubuntu core packages and nothing else
[21:32] <MikyMouse> zoredache, so I was trying to install ubuntu server 8.10 in a P4 700Mhz 512Mb and in #ubuntu I was told to forget about it, ...to go with xubuntu instead
[21:33] <zoredache> where you planning on installing a GUI?  Or just having it be a cli system?
[21:34] <johan12> when i reboot/start xubuntu all the apps pop up that i used earlier?
[21:34] <MikyMouse> zoredache, Ubuntu server by is installe dby default withouth gui, and I will control it remotely using SHH like Putty or something, or throught web using Webmin for exampl, so  noo gui
[21:35] <johan12> it saves my session even though i haven't checked "save session", what to do?
[21:36] <zoredache> MikyMouse: I thnk whoever told you to use xubuntu was confused...  If you aren't installing a gui then there is no difference...  server is server
[21:36] <MikyMouse> zoredache, ok, that's what I was thinking, but I just started ti doubt about it
[21:37] <zoredache> johan12: deleted any cached sessions, and adjust a config file so that sessions are never saved
[21:38] <johan12> no, haven't deleted a thing, just closed all apps and then reboot, and when start terminal, ff, x-chat etc pops up :S
[21:39] <zoredache> that wasn't a question, that was a direction... I want you to delete files in ~/.cache/sessions/, and ...
[21:40] <zoredache> and adjust ~/.config/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc make the 'SaveOnExit' be false
[21:41] <johan12> del *.* in ~/.cache/sessions?
[21:43] <zoredache> yeah, except 'del *.*' isnt' a linux command.  All the files in that folder are you cached sessions.
[21:44] <johan12> can't find ~/.config/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc
[21:47] <zoredache> hrm... well ignore that for now, that was just supposed to make it so it remebered that you had unchecked the save session box
[21:48] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is it possible to configure Xubuntu to disablee the shutdown option?
[21:49] <johan12> found more info at http://wiki.xfce.org/faq, thanks
[22:58] <peterfic> hi i have just installed it. I want to enable remote shell connection. I want to administer the box as if i was sat in front of it.
[22:58] <peterfic> i dont want to see the box again
[22:59] <peterfic> i want full power over it, from remote pc (actually PC on internal network)
[23:00] <zoredache> do an 'apt-get install openssh-server' and then you have cli access
[23:00] <peterfic> thanks zoredache
[23:02] <Mooch> what is the command in the terminal to find what kernel version my comp has?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Mooch: uname -a
[23:03] <Mooch> hey charlie-tca haven't seen you in a while thanx
[23:03] <charlie-tca> you're welcome. I been hiding, I guess
[23:05] <Mooch> well I have been busy so I haven't been in here in a long time but I do have a question: trying to get a driver for my dial up modem and having trouble finding the driver let me see what version kernel I have
[23:07] <Mooch> 2.6.15-53-k7 now thats the version I have but I did a recovery but its temporary so my modem would work with the old driver
[23:11] <Mooch> charlie-tca:                  2.6.15-53-k7 now the number 53 in my new version of the kernel what if the current drivers don't match up with this number? Do you think all the drivers would not be compatible?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu is this? .15 seems old
[23:12] <Mooch> 6.06 LTS
[23:13] <charlie-tca> It is old. If the current drivers are too new, why not upgrade to 8.04
[23:14] <charlie-tca> You could download a liveCD and try it. Most drivers are now being included in the kernel in Jaunty 9.04.
[23:14] <Mooch> thats what I am trying to do but I do not have broadband in my area so downloading to 8.04 is out of the question
[23:15] <Mooch> well I talk to someone here yesterday and told me to try and get a live cd or dvd and that would be my best bet
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Ah! I see.
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Getting the live cd would be good. If you can run it, you could order a cd through ship-it and then install xubuntu-desktop on it
[23:16] <Mooch> but will the live cd or dvd have the modem drivers I need is the question
[23:16] <charlie-tca> The dvd might, if they are shipping them.
[23:17] <charlie-tca> OTOH, if you get it through ship-it, it should be free. Then you could try it and see.
[23:17] <Mooch> so ship it has the xubuntu cds or dvd?
[23:17] <Mooch> if so where is ship it located
[23:18] <charlie-tca> No, ship-it has the Ubuntu cds, at least you could try the liveCD free and without downloading it then.
[23:18] <Mooch> I see well I really want xubuntu
[23:19] <Mooch> I hate linmodems
[23:19] <charlie-tca> https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[23:19] <charlie-tca> You can install xubuntu-desktop to ubuntu and have xubuntu
[23:19] <peterfic> whats the easiest way to get a LAMP setup
[23:20] <peterfic> well just the AMP part as i already on linux obviously
[23:20] <charlie-tca> Mooch: I see they are shipping 8.10
[23:20] <Mooch> yeah I did that with this old version you're a genius didn't think about that
[23:20] <Mooch> oh boy don't need that yet
[23:20] <charlie-tca> peterfic: install apache, mysql, and PHP
[23:21] <Mooch> charlie-tca you think the community might ship me a 8.04 xubuntu dvd?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> Hey, Mooch. 8.10 is not bad! It has more drivers included
[23:22] <Mooch> well don't I have to upgrade to 8.04 then 8.10
[23:22] <zoredache> install the lamp-server task or do this... sudo apt-get install libwrap0 apache2 mysql-client-5.0 tcpd libapache2-mod-php5 apache2.2-common apache2-utils php5-common libaprutil1 php5-mysql libmysqlclient15off libdbi-perl libplrpc-perl mysql-server openssl-blacklist libdbd-mysql-perl mysql-server-5.0 libnet-daemon-perl libapr1 libpq5 ssl-cert apache2-mpm-prefork mysql-common
[23:22] <charlie-tca> I'm thinking they make you pay for the dvd. The drawback (always is one) is you can not upgrade 6.06 to 8.10
[23:22]  * peterfic copies and pastes
[23:22] <charlie-tca> You have to do a fresh install of 8.10 and migrate your data
[23:23] <charlie-tca> Mooch: we don't have xubuntu on dvd
[23:23] <peterfic> thanks again zoredache
[23:23] <Mooch> hmmm so its like doing a reformat and erasing everything and starting over
[23:23] <charlie-tca> Yes. If you backup your /home you get to keep your data
[23:25] <Mooch> ah ok give me the command to backup so I can write it down
[23:25] <charlie-tca> There is an Ubuntu 8.10 DVD available from the Ubuntu store. You have to pay for it.
[23:25] <charlie-tca> http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=17&osCsid=e8d2616d0986a5ed5edfe58f2516c412
[23:26] <Mooch> whats the advantage of the dvd and cd copies
[23:27] <charlie-tca> dvd contains a lot more of the drivers and applications. cd has to download them from the internet
[23:27] <zoredache> the dvd has more packages, so you don't have to download something if you want it
[23:27] <Mooch> ok gotcha
[23:27] <Mooch> so I am better off with a clean install of 8.10
[23:29] <charlie-tca> This should be good for backups: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Backupsolutionsforlinux
[23:30] <charlie-tca> I use rsync to a spare hard drive, myself. Erased it when I was learning and lost everything from 2 years.
[23:30] <zoredache> that page needs help...
[23:31] <charlie-tca> oh, got any other ideas?
[23:32] <zoredache> I think dirvish should be on the list (rsync) based, but that page needs a lot more detail.  I am very tempted to go start adding to it
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Why not add to it. That is how these things get updated.
[23:35] <zoredache> I'll have to make a note to work on this when get home, or this weekend....  I think making backups is extremely important.
[23:35] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[23:57] <Ultraputz> has anyone managed to get evolution working with exchange 2007?