[00:04] Nightrose: which link? [00:04] seele: ? [00:04] Nightrose: er.. that wasnt you [00:04] hehe ok [00:04] sorry.. misinterpreted an @message [00:04] ok [00:17] anyone know who _MMA_ is? [00:22] Mixed Martial Arts? [00:23] whowas bot ? [00:23] no name [00:23] works on ubuntu studio? [00:23] Ah I've spoken with him/her/script [00:24] Was there a BIC for plasma again or something? [00:25] yes [00:26] Yeah! Another stack of rebuilds .... [00:26] ok, all of our plasmoids need rebuilds now [00:26] we have a report for quickaccess [00:26] This is for 4.2 ? [00:27] a report which I can't seem to un-private [00:28] oh, there we go [00:31] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/110091/ <- quickaccess [00:31] Did you test build it? [00:32] JontheEchidna: Bump the build-dep so we know it's compiled against 4.2.0 on all archs. [00:32] ah, good thinking [00:33] kdebase hasn't been uploaded yet, has it? [00:33] * seele notices the topic and wonders what it says === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [00:33] abandon them and take your place? [00:33] Riddell: ^^ wha? [00:34] seele: you rok [00:34] seele: just read you blog re: CNS :P [00:35] rgreening: ah hah. thanks. [00:36] great read [00:37] * JontheEchidna must agree [00:37] seele: "above", it was the 250th Burns night yesterday :) [00:38] seele: where's your upgrade test notes page? [00:38] ah, IntrepidKDE42Upgrades [00:38] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/110094/ [00:40] Riddell: ooh, i remember you mentioning that. (doesn't mean i know what that means) [00:40] JontheEchidna: It's not a no changes rebuild any more, is it? [00:40] you're right. I'm not thinking tonight [00:41] * ScottK slaps some sensibility into JontheEchidna... [00:44] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/110097/ [00:45] So is 4.2.0 kde4libs uploaded then? [00:45] ScottK: yes [00:46] OK. [01:07] evening [01:10] denver airports free wifi put ads in my firefox browse that sucks [01:11] jjesse-dell9: no free lunch :) [01:13] freeflying: some free wifis in airports dont have ads in the browser you just watch one before you connect [01:13] here i have to watch one before i connect and each page has an add in it [01:27] * ScottK-palm notes a kde4libs 4:4.2.0-2 in Debian with a security patch in it. [01:28] jjesse-dell9: ads for every page is really too much [01:28] * ScottK-palm hopes we have it .... [01:28] vorian Riddell rgreening ... [01:29] ScottK: there is a plasma security patch in 0ubuntu1 [01:29] er, ScottK-palm^ [01:29] Great. [01:29] ScottK-palm: using palm for irc? :) [01:29] * ScottK-palm relaxes .... [01:29] Yep. [01:29] freeflying: its every page for every tab open in firefox that refresh continually [01:29] See you later then. [01:44] seele: holy long blog post batman [01:44] seele: also very well written [01:46] Oh [01:46] Let me read it === stdin_ is now known as tsimpson [01:52] DaSkreech: stikll working on it? [01:54] haha doing groups on identica? [02:14] seele: ok _MMA_ is in #kubuntu if you want to prod [02:15] no, he already prodded me. i was just trying to put a name to the nick [02:32] seele: How upset should I be that your lengthy blog post in PDF format is smaller than an empty .doc file ? [02:34] DaSkreech: hahahahaa === ScottK3 is now known as ScottK-desktop [03:02] seele: Cory Kontros (I think) [03:03] Cory I'm sure about and the last name is close. [03:04] oh right. i didn't know his irc nick [03:12] * ScottK waves. [03:13] Any uploading needing doing? [04:13] Ok read seele's blog :-) [05:01] KDE 4.2.0 is all uploaded to Jaunty now. [05:01] * ScottK watches the crushed buildd's.... [05:05] lol [05:06] ScottK: next thing is to get Qt4.5 working. [05:06] I have a test build I am working on [05:06] Are we planning on that for Jaunty? [05:06] yes. [05:07] we want webkit from it to hopefully replace khtml as the default [05:07] at least it was on the plan at UDS [05:08] ScottK: I think I will finally have a working kvirc build shortly. Test building again here (hopefuuly for final time) [06:53] hi [06:54] any kubuntu-experimental ppa developers here? [06:55] there are several [06:55] ok [06:55] i have 4.2rc1 [06:55] i have a problem some times, that all my desktop setup is lost, i mean plasmoid are lost, wallpaper settings lost..and i have to setup again [06:55] why is that? [07:07] noone? :) [08:31] how i can put powerdevil at 4.2rc1? === yuriy_ is now known as yuriy [10:56] can I get a review on bug #257220 please? [10:56] Launchpad bug 257220 in qtparted "Qtparted launch error" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257220 [11:01] stdin: was that script not installed before? what did the "install" file do? [11:01] Riddell: the install file did nothing, I don't think dh_install was called [11:02] and because it's only one file, may as well put it in the rules [11:02] stdin: why was postrm removed? [11:02] Riddell: it's not [11:03] it was just duplicated, like it was pasted twice [11:03] same with the qtparted-root file [11:03] mm, yes [11:03] stdin: well, looks good to me [11:05] I think it'll need to go into intrepid updates too [11:10] stdin: go for it [11:10] although qtparted is kindae broken itself [11:11] yeah, but we shouldn't break it more than it already is :p [11:22] hi there [11:22] am I the only one whose powerdevil plasma applet broke with 4.2 ? [11:36] rgreening: just uploaded a very new PNM... [11:36] rgreening: still buggy and still receives 10 commits a day, so let's test... [11:51] hello, I have a weird X problem... I boot the machine, get to the login screen, log in, and the resolution is set too low. Then I click on system settings -> display, and hte display goes dark and then adjusts to the correct resolution... [11:51] next boot, same story. === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-lunch [13:22] Tonio_: great stuff [13:22] Tonio_: where's it available to? [13:23] ScottK: kvirc... https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive [13:30] Can I get assistance with wubi here? [13:32] Daniel: its for developer [13:32] Daniel: move to kubuntu/ubuntu channle for help plz [13:33] Okay. [13:37] rgreening: in the repos within a couple of hours [13:38] Tonio_: PPA or regular ones? [13:43] smarter: ping^2 [13:44] anyone wanna do WOTM? [13:53] hey [13:53] kvirc 4.0.0 baby :) [13:54] whois rgreening_ [13:54] haha [13:54] could have been more interesting :P [13:55] lol [13:55] just testing the new build [13:56] not sure I like the defaults... [13:58] I definately needs a new theme :) [13:59] s/I/It/ [13:59] rewrites ftw :D === davmor2-lunch is now known as davmor2 [14:03] ScottK: kvirc 4 build seems to work fine (in my limited testing). [14:03] Riddell: didn't you want to SRU bug 292098 [14:03] Launchpad bug 292098 in kubuntu-default-settings "okular can't presentation fullscreen" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292098 [14:09] rgreening: When you're ready for kvirc, just ping me on #ubuntu-motu. [14:12] ScottK: k. :) [14:13] has anyone reported the akonadi library problems with krunner and kopete? [14:13] the what? [14:14] kopete and krunner both crash with errors about akonadi symbols, wondering if it's just me or a known thing [14:15] *shrug* [14:15] kubuntu version, kde version, akonadi version, any ppa? [14:15] * apachelogger just threw his stress ball to the legals department -.- [14:15] jaunty, 4.20, 4.1.96-0ubuntu2, no ppa [14:15] oh, there it comes back [14:16] xerosis: you might not be fully upgraded yet [14:16] apachelogger: thanks, thought as much, couldn't see anthing in the build queue for akonadi though? [14:16] no, but KDE :P [14:34] apachelogger: the main issue is finding a fix for those already affected [14:35] Riddell: do these settings get copied to kdehome? [14:35] * apachelogger thinks a kconf_update could do the trick [14:35] apachelogger: yes and you can't delete the file because kwin keeps it all in memory so you can only do it before KDE starts [14:36] apachelogger: right, but that still needs some mildly clever scripting [14:36] Riddell: couldn't we just drop the problem causing section .. I think we wouldn't need a script for that [14:37] you'd need something [14:38] Riddell: IIRC the kconf_update files can contain a list of stuff that ought to be dropped as part of the update [14:38] it's been a while since I looked at the readme though :) [14:40] oh right, I thought they were just given a script to run [14:41] that is for the more advanced stuff ... but since nhandler is a perl haxx0r he could probably come up with something as well ;-) [15:04] Any extragear up yet? [15:04] I havn't even thought about it [15:05] 15 of the 16 plasmoids I uploaded last night stuck. The 16th needed a new upstream that I just pushed. [15:06] question is if we'll need to do that for intrepid too [15:08] ScottK: where did u upload? which repo? [15:09] ScottK: are they for 4.2? [15:09] Jaunty. [15:09] They needed to be rebuilt against the 4.2.0 libplasma-dev [15:11] Riddell: we will due to libplasma3 [15:11] not sure if anything else is affected by lib changes [15:11] which is also part of the reason why I want 4.2.0 to be in -experimental for starters [15:13] apachelogger: what do u mean? [15:13] ScottK: which is the repo? [15:14] tarimari: The Ubuntu one. [15:14] tarimari: I mean that we need to rebuild all plasmoids against the new libplasma [15:15] apachelogger: you are right. [15:16] so new kde 4.2 for interpid will be available till tomorrow at kubuntu-experimental, right? [15:18] i have some problems: i have kubuntu 8.10 amd64 kde 4.2rc1, kernel 2.6.28. problems: 1. when at kde i tell it to shutdown the computer, it works like logout. then at logging screen i must tell it again to shutdown. 2. it does not really shutdown. it tries only [15:18] i had my laptop hot because it was at laptop bag for 1+ hour open. i thought it was closed but it was not shutdown. just black screen [16:13] * a|wen wonders why kmail keeps crashing on him in kde 4.1.4 :( [16:14] a|wen: Any post release svn commits that look interesting? [16:15] they aren't planning on a 4.1.5 so I would think the chances are pretty low [16:15] you never know though [16:15] ScottK: haven't looked ... was thinking about installing the kdepim-dbg package first [16:15] OK. [16:16] JontheEchidna: There were a fair number of posts 3.5.10 commits that we used profitably. [16:16] Who knows.... [16:16] hi there [16:16] JontheEchidna: hi! :) big day is today :) we are expecting from you :)...so you need some hours after kde 4.2 is officially released? [16:17] ScottK: my connection is however horribly slow and don't have the kde4.1 branch down so is gonna take a while in any case [16:17] a|wen: No rush. [16:17] * Tm_T slaps tarimari [16:18] Tm_T: u follow me across channells? :D [16:18] * Tonio_ noticed that kde4 is very sensitive to dbus restarts during upgrades... plasma crashed twice on my side [16:18] tarimari: no, I am everywehre [16:18] :D [16:18] a|wen: Crashes for me in KDE 4.2 RC [16:18] * a|wen excuses for spamming some people with wiki-update mails :) [16:19] DaSkreech: yeah... 4.2 RC had some issued it seemed; was worse than beta2 for me [16:19] Me too [16:20] hope it is better in 4.2 final [16:20] JontheEchidna: i ve put kubuntu-experiment kde4.2rc1, when i click shutdown i just get the login screen. this kde rc issue, or maybe another part of the system like the kernel? 2. my computer does not shutdown completely, is it also because of kde or kernel? [16:20] if u dont know, i ll upgrade to new kde, and then i ll check again [16:20] tarimari: there is a ksmserver crash that makes it so that you can only return to the login screen [16:21] I do not personally experience this bug so I cannot say if it is fixed [16:21] (basically if ksmserver isn't running you can only return to the login screen) [16:21] hmm [16:21] let me see [16:22] 2 processes run 1. krwrapper4 ksmserver 2.ksmserver [16:23] JontheEchidna: what do u think about? [16:23] Tonio_: ping === Guest73565 is now known as jussi01 [16:23] I dunno === jussi01 is now known as Guest1069 [16:24] JontheEchidna: where is log about that so that i can check for error messages? [16:24] maybe /var/log/xsession-errors [16:24] tarimari: JontheEchidna I've been experiencing that log out bug on my laptop so it's not fixed [16:25] ok, that's the wrong location for the log I"m thinking of [16:25] haven't debugged it much though [16:25] oh, ~/.xsession-errors [16:25] thanks === Guest1069 is now known as jussio1 === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [16:28] JontheEchidna: i didnt find anything that makes sense there. anyway no problem. let's see after final version [16:28] * a|wen waits for kde-techbase to come back up [16:28] its down? [16:28] JontheEchidna: about powerdevil, you told me yesterday that it is inside a package. i installed that packages but no powerdevil is appeared. still there is kdeguidance here [16:28] Tm_T: are you also kubuntu-experimental developer? [16:29] if kdebase-workspace is installed, you have powerdevil [16:30] tarimari: depends on definition I guess [16:31] JontheEchidna: it is installed but i see no powerdevil trayicon. why? [16:31] it doesn't have a tray icon [16:31] at least not in the 4.2 version [16:31] it does, it's just called Power Management [16:32] I don't use it so I wouldn't know :P [16:33] Riddell: no guidance is another thing. [16:33] :( [16:33] i hope it will be ok at final [16:36] Tm_T: up again now ... but died on me for some time [16:36] weird [16:36] a|wen: sure it wasn't your dns not quick enough with possible ip change? [16:37] Tm_T: gave me a nice kde-logo and a message about "technical problems" [16:37] ah, interesting === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:41] JontheEchidna: i want to complete that restore from backup but i want to select what i restore. Where i can find a list explaining what each file inside ~/.kde is? [16:42] there aren't any, but application configuration files are in ~/.kde/share/config [16:42] and application data is in ~/.kde/share/apps [16:43] JontheEchidna: hmm..thanks.. actually i mostly want to keep my kontact data [16:43] nope [16:43] oops [16:44] (wrong channel) [16:46] Nightrose: need any more help? [16:47] apachelogger: a faster PC would help [16:47] * Nightrose kicks it [16:47] Nightrose: you have to feed it cookies [16:47] works for me [16:47] hmmm [16:47] k [16:48] * DaSkreech would work faster with cookies [16:59] apachelogger: pong⁻¹ === smarter_ is now known as smarter [17:00] Mhmm after today update and login I get a black screen: only kdeinit klauncher kded4 knotifty4 is running. Nothing more (ditto for a freshly created user) [17:02] ! [17:02] allee: jaunty? [17:02] Riddell: yeap. Last updaet 10 min ago [17:03] smarter: is it just my weird system or does kvkbd not work out of the box on 4.2? [17:03] did you get the rebuilt one? [17:04] hmm, and now it is bugs.kde.org's turn to be down [17:04] apachelogger: I have to say, I didn't test it since quiet some times :p [17:04] * smarter launches [17:04] seems to work well [17:05] allee: I have no such problems [17:05] smarter: it just flashes up but then apparently the theme gets placed upon it here [17:05] apachelogger: what do you do and what happens exactly? [17:05] (btw, thanks for the patch to the svn, didn't know this x-docbook thingy :p) [17:05] smarter: in kdm! [17:05] oh, in kdm [17:05] Hallo to stem the questions is KDE 4.2 packages expected today for Kubuntu? [17:05] apachelogger: this is a known bug [17:05] DaSkreech: today, tomorrow, never ... all very relative :P [17:05] DaSkreech: jaunty is in now, intrepid probably in a few hours [17:05] smarter: should be noted in the documentation I guess :P [17:06] Well I want to relate! [17:06] apachelogger: it's noted in the README iirc [17:06] and the kde-apps page [17:06] Riddell: sweet thanks I can tell some folks to go to bed then [17:06] I thought I would have time to fix it before Intrepid so didn't include it in the doc [17:06] smarter: well, a kubuntu user will not read either one [17:06] apachelogger: which I've tried to solve with ossi(only KDM dev) for quiet sometimes, but we never found a perfect solution(given all the security problem and stuff) [17:07] actually, I am wondering why kdm doesn't have a builtin firewall :P [17:07] hopefully, once I get less school work, I'll be able to work on a plasmoid port of kvkbd(sounds cool, no? :p) [17:07] Riddel: Only strange msg in .xsession-error seems to be: knotify4: Fatal IO error: client killed. Full log and proc list at: http://paste.debian.net/27031/ [17:07] smarter: plasma is too unsecure for kdm :P [17:07] apachelogger: it's secure enough for kscreensaver [17:07] seele: ping [17:07] so it should be okay [17:08] actually [17:08] there was a major issue just before 4.2 [17:08] orly? [17:08] aye [17:10] Riddell: fixed. For whatever reason kdebase-workspace-bin kubuntu-desktop where removed during dist-upgrade :( [17:10] * apachelogger is wondering what the difference between the base snapshot and current state on his 8.10 vbox is [17:10] allee: hrm [17:10] ScottK: no kdepim crash fixes in the 4.1 branch after the tagging of 4.1.4 [17:11] Urgh. [17:11] * a|wen notes that some of the commits mentions 4.1.5, so seems it might arrive [17:17] ScottK: here is the backtrace http://paste.ubuntu.com/110356/ [17:18] I guess file a bug a b.k.o and see how it comes out.... [17:18] * a|wen thinks it looks terribly much like the crash that started appearing for him in 4.2rc [17:23] * ScottK thinks his brain is currently overfull to much to consider it in any detail. [17:23] New user setup: Home.desktop and Trash.desktop are in ~/Desktop. But plasma panel includes same already. Strange. [17:24] huh? [17:24] does plasma now come with default stuff for the desktop? Oo [17:29] apachelogger: yes [17:29] argh... now websvn.kde.org is down; this is seriously not my day [17:31] can anybody give me the revision number on the 4.1.96 tag? [17:31] a|wen: is the svn itself down? [17:32] DaSkreech: only websvn (i think) [17:32] Berlin?! [17:33] Tm_T: i think so (master-eu.kde.org) [17:34] a|wen: no, not you (: [17:34] hehe, made sense in the context anyway ;) [17:35] weird, but, possible === stdin_ is now known as tsimpson [17:39] ScottK: bug 31915 ... both the kde4.2rc1 and the kde4.1.4 crashes are attached [17:39] Launchpad bug 31915 in grub "Latest grub package (0.97-1ubuntu4) breaks /sbin/grub-reboot" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31915 [17:39] hm [17:39] * a|wen can't copy ... bug 319151 [17:39] You mean kde bug 31915 [17:39] Launchpad bug 319151 in kdepim "kontact crashes when I select the gmail inbox folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319151 [17:39] :D [17:40] Error: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: timed out (http://bugs.kde.org/xml.cgi?id=31915) [17:40] kde is broken [17:40] too many people had their konqueror on autorefresh every 15 seconds [17:40] apachelogger: ouch [17:40] Right, that's what the Gnome guys keep telling me [17:41] apachelogger: yeah ... everything seems gone right now [17:41] nah, they're pulled down due release I heard [17:42] www.kde.org is up and working fine here [17:42] either it was konqueror autorefresh, or suse lost connection due to heavy snow storm, or they are just turning off every non-essential thing of [17:42] -of I suppose [17:42] ScottK: you are welcome to report upstream + link to the bug if kde becomes online again ... else i'll do it sometime tomorrow [17:42] http://kde.org/announcements/4.2/index.php [17:42] FYI [17:43] OK. I'll probably leave it for you. [17:45] no problem [17:52] who is doing the news entry for kubuntu.org for the 4.2 release? [17:53] yuhu [17:53] put some fireworks [17:53] so it is released! :) [17:54] Tm_T: you wrote the announcement at kde.org? ;) first channel to be informed was here? [17:54] i record 17:42:50 UTC [17:54] "KDE 4.2 (Codename: "The Answer")" [17:54] best. codename. ever. [17:55] tarimari: wasn't me [17:56] it was first mentioned at this channel :42. what time was the announcement put at web? [17:56] smarter: ha ha :) [17:56] * smarter wonders how many people won't get it :P [17:57] Tm_T: what time was it announced exactly? at which channel first? [17:57] smarter: well, there were Codename "Codename" also [17:57] Riddell: kubuntu-experimental ppa has got signed packages now ... might be worth mentioning in the installation instructions for kde4.2 in intrepid? [17:57] Tm_T: that one was cool too [17:57] tarimari: it wasn't announced in channel first, but ~1930 [17:58] yes it was annnounced in web first, but i mentioned that at kubuntu-devel was earlier announced thatn in kde-devel :) :) [17:58] a|wen: oh good point [17:58] tarimari: false [17:59] tarimari: 1937.25 < Tm_T> link in front page but no announcement article found [18:00] cool :) [18:00] anyone seeing similar to these: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/110371/ [18:00] ok...now it is a matter of minutes or hours to have the update? i m asking to do my hour plan [18:01] minutes, hours, days, never ... all very relative [18:01] claydoh: what akonadi do you have installed? [18:01] ok i see it now at rss too :) [18:05] ok i must cron aptitude update every minute [18:05] why? [18:05] thanks to all kde devs [18:05] to see when the update will come at kubuntu-experimental ppa [18:05] Riddell: akonadi-kde is 4.1.96,, server is 1.1.1 [18:05] well, why you need to see it rightaway? [18:05] * Tm_T don't see the point [18:05] but kopete is 4.2 doh [18:05] to fix the possible bugs [18:06] i have buggy 4.2rc1 [18:06] that's the point [18:06] tarimari: I see [18:06] claydoh: I guess you need to wait for the new akonadi-kde [18:06] claydoh: where is your akonadi-server from? [18:06] i want to upgrade also some other machines. [18:06] i want to celebrate it anyway :) [18:06] i m expecting this for a month [18:06] or maybe months [18:07] the first usable desktop in linux [18:07] the greatest of all [18:07] sorry Riddell, didn't realize the updates coming, I blame it on the meds, but I'd be wrong [18:07] "the answer [18:07] I am running Jaunty btw [18:07] X-D [18:09] claydoh: hrm, kdepim hasn't built says it can't find libboost-dev [18:09] claydoh: I think that's build daemon strangeness [18:09] g'night ppl [18:09] np. Riddell I should know better :) [18:13] rgreening: pong [18:13] Night [18:14] seele: hey. ScottK is reviewing Kvirc (another IRC) for update to the KDE3 one. Not sure if you wanted to look at it (seeing you were looking at quassel) [18:14] I'm pretty sure we don't want kvirc for default IRC client. [18:15] It's WAY too complex. [18:15] ScottK: ok. [18:15] Quassel is easier to use? [18:15] I haven't tried it yet. [18:16] Is it uploaded as a standalone yet ScottK / seele (quassel) and which package is the standalone [18:16] I need to drop konversation [18:16] Just plain quassel is the stand alone [18:16] ScottK: ok, I'll give it a whirl [18:16] It's in Jaunty and in my PPA for Intrepid. [18:17] kk. ty [18:18] * claydoh is writitng up a quick quassel standalone how-to [18:18] it has gotten much easier to set up recently [18:19] seele: http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/01/response-to-proposed-canonical.html [18:21] Nightrose: where is the irc party happening? [18:23] quassel is weird :) [18:24] apachelogger: is bug 289402 fixed yet? The debian changelog sez so [18:24] * apachelogger thinks Nightrose passed out due to too much work [18:24] Launchpad bug 289402 in kdebase-workspace "circular build dependency between kdebase-workspace and kde4bindings, broken on lpia and hppa" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289402 [18:24] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 [18:24] Riddell: thank you a million [18:24] JontheEchidna: not on intrepid [18:24] now gone to sauna -> [18:24]