[00:00] <DaSkreech> z666: try ##hardware
[00:00] <mimmo>  Romanzo.Criminale.La.Serie.Ep.09.iTALiAN.SATRip.XviD-FiRE.avi
[00:00] <DaSkreech> spot_: open Dolphin and press F4
[00:00] <z666> ty
[00:00] <d3jake> My Adept decided to eat my OS for some reason and I need a way to get to a console of the install where I can install things, but still have access to IRC and a web browser. Is there a way for me to open a terminal to a partition that has my Linux on it to reinstall packages?
[00:00] <jennifer> on skype?
[00:00] <spot_> DaSkreech: Ok
[00:00] <DaSkreech> jennifer: yes
[00:00] <messeup> erm i mean.. can i install it from a mybook disk
[00:00] <DaSkreech> d3jake: yes
[00:00] <z666> ##hardware
[00:00] <jennifer> ok im at sound options
[00:00] <messeup> without messing with mbr or other stuff on mybook
[00:00] <DaSkreech> z666: /join ##hardware
[00:01] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Does it have an audio in device?
[00:01] <spot_> DaSkreech:  Then?
[00:01] <DaSkreech> type cd film in the terminal then unrar x title.rar.r00
[00:01] <mimmo> xdcc send #87
[00:01] <jennifer> yeah input and output
[00:01] <DaSkreech> mimmo: What are you doing?
[00:01] <messeup> is there a eee channel?
[00:02] <d3jake> DaSkreech, looks like you're busy.. when you get a chance, please point me to a command or web page that can assist me in getting that terminal running. THank you
[00:03] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Switch the input to something else and try it
[00:03] <DaSkreech> d3jake: What's your current state?
[00:03] <d3jake> Botted on a live CD with my partition that I have my Linux on mounted.
[00:03] <d3jake> I found the log file from my package manager and it did a number....
[00:03] <jennifer> like what lol
[00:04] <DaSkreech> d3jake: Mount your partition
[00:04] <DaSkreech> jennifer: I don't know I can't see what yu have :)
[00:04] <d3jake> DaSkreech: Done
[00:04] <DaSkreech>  I know that Skype doesn't like pulse audio that much
[00:04] <d3jake> GUIs make it nearly foolproof
[00:04] <DaSkreech> d3jake: sudo chroot /mount/poiny
[00:04] <DaSkreech> d3jake: sudo chroot /mount/point
[00:05] <DaSkreech> messeup: #eeepc
[00:05] <messeup> ahh,, thanks
[00:05] <d3jake> DaSkreech so if the partition is mounted on /media/disk use sudo chroot /media/disk?
[00:05] <messeup> #join #eeepc
[00:05] <DaSkreech> jennifer: I swapped mine out to something else kinda randomly and it worked
[00:05] <DaSkreech> d3jake: correct
[00:05] <messeup> ops
[00:06] <d3jake> DaSkreech What's the root pw on a live CD?
[00:07] <DaSkreech> There is none
[00:07] <d3jake> ahh,kk
[00:07] <DaSkreech> not on *buntu at least
[00:08] <d3jake> DaSkreech: sweet, I thnk it worked... now to fix what's broke. THanks for the help!
[00:08] <DaSkreech> !chroot
[00:09] <jennifer> randomly huh
[00:10] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Semi randomly :-)
[00:13] <wesley_> Anyone had evey to call warranty on hitachi hds ?
[00:14] <jennifer> any reccomendations
[00:14] <jennifer> i really need my mic working lol for a call
[00:15] <DaSkreech> jennifer: does it turn up in system settings?
[00:15] <jennifer> no
[00:15] <jennifer> i mean ive tried KMixer
[00:15] <DaSkreech> is it muted there?
[00:15] <jennifer> and have my mic un muted and everything
[00:16] <DaSkreech> kk
[00:16] <DaSkreech> I'm trying to think of another app that uses mic to test it with :)
[00:16] <firatk> türkçe
[00:17] <kmaid> Hi, i am a windows user just trying to get to grips with unbuntu where can like ask stupid questions :?
[00:17] <firatk> türkçe kubuntu
[00:18] <DaSkreech> !tr
[00:18] <DaSkreech> kmaid: Here would be a good start forums would be a good follow up
[00:18] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Can you hear the skype test call first of all
[00:18] <kmaid> ah awesome, i just found the application installer so freaking sweet ^^
[00:18] <jennifer> i got it lol
[00:18] <jennifer> working
[00:19] <jennifer> now i need to fix volume lol
[00:19] <DaSkreech> kmaid: It is nice
[00:19] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Whoot!
[00:19] <DaSkreech> what did it take?
[00:19] <jennifer> whats PCM?
[00:19] <kmaid> I installed the windows remote desktop KRDC but it crashes on start :/
[00:19] <jennifer> C-Media USB Headphone set (hw, default, 0)
[00:19] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Raw sound
[00:20] <jennifer> for sound in and out
[00:20] <DaSkreech> jennifer: It's what the speakers put out. turn up PCM and everything gets louder
[00:20] <DaSkreech> kmaid: booo which version?
[00:21] <jennifer> how do u turn it down lol
[00:21] <kmaid> Actually i just ran it again and it works ill be quiet :x
[00:21] <DaSkreech> jennifer: oh! yo uwant it down not up
[00:21] <DaSkreech> jennifer: In kmix
[00:21] <jennifer> yeah
[00:21] <cptr13> kmaid....you'll find the folks here and on the forums very helpful.  don't hesitate to ask anything
[00:21] <DaSkreech> kmaid: No crashes are important stuff :)
[00:22] <kmaid> It came up with the debug information but i just closed it like windows lol
[00:23] <DaSkreech> kmaid: Really? you have debugging installed? That's interesting
[00:24] <kmaid> Nah, I do program but it just came up with this crash application that had a pile of debug output. Perhaps it is something to do with KRDC?
[00:24] <DaSkreech> No all K apps should do that
[00:29] <jennifer> how do i turn it down lol
[00:30] <marek_> hi, i have kde 4.2 how can i add widget - show desktop?
[00:32] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Is everything loud or just the mic ?
[00:32] <jennifer> the audio lol
[00:32] <DaSkreech> marek_: click add widget on the panel I think
[00:32] <marek_> DaSkreech the thing is, there is no such widget
[00:32] <DaSkreech> jennifer: So everything is loud? The furtherst left slider should turn it down
[00:33] <Wutz> Hey, how do I turn off the automatic blackscreen appearing when my computer is idle, this is annoying me because every little while when I'm watching a movie it turns black and I have to move the mouse
[00:35] <marek_> Wutz do you use 4,2 or 4,1?
[00:35] <Wutz> I'm using 4.2 rc1
[00:36] <Wutz> The monitor itself isn't turning off, it's like a black screensaver, although I turned off screen savers
[00:40] <firatk> türkçe ubuntu
[00:41] <firatk> türkçe ubuntu
[00:41] <DaSkreech> !tr | firatk
[00:41] <KDesk> hi
[00:42] <KDesk> wen will kde 4.2 be released, on 27?
[00:42] <firatk> turklug
[00:42] <KDesk> *when
[00:43] <KDesk> And when will it be in the kubuntu repo, and in which?
[00:44] <Wutz> Yes, kde 4.2 final is supposed to be released tommorow, the 27th. As for when it will be added, I cannot tell as that is how fast Ubuntu works on it.
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Should be there by tomorrow
[00:46] <Dragnslcr> Usually takes the Ubuntu staff a couple days to get the packages built
[00:46] <DaSkreech> can't promise how nice it will be :)
[00:46] <Raylz> are there any 4.2 repos available?
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Topic
[00:46] <Dragnslcr> Depending on far ahead the KDE devs freeze the code
[00:46] <Raylz> was just released :)
[00:47] <Wutz> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu
[00:47] <Wutz> that is the repo i added to get the kde 4.2 rc1
[00:47] <Wutz> just simply add it and update the system
[00:48] <marek_> does anyone know what activity bar is for>
[00:48] <marek_> ?
[00:48] <Wutz> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[00:48] <Wutz> thats the full one sorry
[00:49] <Raylz> so has it been decided to be available as upgrade for intrepid?
[00:49] <Raylz> or do we have to use the sources ourselves
[00:50] <Wutz> you have to add them...thats the source i just gave you
[00:51] <Raylz> Wutz: i already got a 4.2rc system :)
[00:51] <Raylz> im just curious
[00:52] <kaddi_> heya, it's me again :D
[00:52] <kaddi_> is there an easy way to check the temperatures and fans in kubuntu  /(8.10)
[00:52] <kaddi_> ?
[00:53] <DaSkreech> marek_: To switch activities
[00:53] <kaddi_> my kubuntu just completely froze up and the shiftlock lamp started blinking... i had to cut the power.... s
[00:53] <jhowden> .
[00:54] <kaddi_> i've had a couple of these freezes, but i thought this was due to faulty RAM. But I've switched the broken RAM and still get the freeze up
[00:54] <kaddi_> (oh it's an acer laptop by the way... if this info is necessary? )
[00:55] <wesley_> kaddi_ yes with the temptare plosmoid
[00:55] <wesley_> you need to install libsensors and then sudo setup sensors ?
[00:55] <yannick__> hi
[00:56] <kaddi_> i don't know, i wanted to check if the laptop wasn't getting too hot causing the freeze up
[00:56] <kmaid> How do you make yourself root in console?
[00:56] <stdin> kmaid: sudo -i
[00:57] <yannick__> i need help configuring my Kubuntu 8.10 Xorg. Since the last X.org update my azerty keyboard turned to qwerty. All i remember was that the update proposed was an english update.
[00:57] <wesley_> kaddi some acer laptop have a nasty bug
[00:58] <yannick__> i'm using Kubuntu under virtualbox client hosted on Windows ...
[00:58] <kaddi_> wesley_: what do you mean, also there is no command "setup" but libsensors is installed
[00:58] <kaddi_> correction: libsensors3 is installed. 4 isn't. do i need both?
[00:59] <wesley_> google on it, thats how i founded out to setup, but the tempature doesnt spring that high, so that plasmoid is boring
[00:59] <yannick__> 'sudo loadkeys fr' doesnt change anything alas
[01:01] <yannick__> can anyone help me ?
[01:02] <DaSkreech> yannick__: Check your dpkg log and remove the english update
[01:04] <wesley_> kaddi_ there a several guides to set up your sensors
[01:04] <yannick__> where can i find the dpkg logs ? Because since it is a new adept aaplicationm there is no log viewer yet
[01:04] <wesley_> im just to lazy to do that agian
[01:07] <wesley_> kaddi_ sensors-detect does call the setup run it in konsole
[01:09] <DaSkreech> yannick__: /var/log/
[01:12] <kaddi_> wesley_ yeah, google told me as well ;) but it's still showing 0 and 1°C as CPU-Temperatures
[01:12] <wesley_> I just answered every time yes yes yes
[01:12] <yannick__> thanks DaSk
[01:12] <kaddi_> me to ;)
[01:13] <kaddi_> it also found the intel processor and everything
[01:14] <yannick__> but i cant find out what is wrong
[01:15] <Wutz> Hey does anyone know how to turn off folder view in 4.2 and get the old school desktop icons on your screen?
[01:15] <Wutz> I did it before, but for some reason it went back, now I cant find the option
[01:18] <White_Pelican> hi all. I am running intrepid with 4.2 rc1. on the panel (what we used to call the taskbar) when you mouse over an item, the info is white text on a black background. How do I change that. I'm very new to kde 4
[01:22] <Wutz> Try open system settings > Advanced tab > Desktop Theme details, and you can change the background type or theme type
[01:22] <BSD_AGENT_2> Hi
[01:22] <kaddi> so, how can i find out what caused ubuntu to freeze?
[01:23] <kaddi> are there any logs i got could go through?
[01:23] <mgroman> !ohmy | kaddi
[01:23] <Wutz> Ot system settings > Appearance > colors for text color changing
[01:23] <Wutz> or*
[01:23] <White_Pelican> let me try that
[01:23] <kaddi> mgroman: i'm not a native speaker and i don't know what you find offensive in my question. could you explain?
[01:23] <White_Pelican> I don't want ot change the whole theme, just the panel colors
[01:23] <White_Pelican> to*
[01:25] <Dr_willis> Might not be possible White_Pelican
[01:25] <Dr_willis> a lot of 'things' are still being slowly added to KDE4
[01:26] <White_Pelican> so should I wait till tomorrow, or wait till summer when 4.3 comes out?
[01:26] <Dr_willis> Who knows..:) not me.. :P
[01:28] <Wutz> Pelican, in that window you can change any part of the theme, not change the whole thing
[01:31] <White_Pelican> in advanced, desktop theme settings or the other one?
[01:34] <Wutz> yes the theme settings
[01:34] <Wutz> the other is actual coloring of the text
[01:35] <White_Pelican> oic
[01:35] <White_Pelican> well what I tried didn't work
[01:35] <White_Pelican> thanls anyway
[01:35] <White_Pelican> for now I'll stick to kde 3
[01:36] <Wutz> Probably should stick with gnome if you don't liek how kde 4 is right now, it won't change fast
[01:36] <Wutz> My biggest problem with gnome is that it looks like crap lol
[01:37] <White_Pelican> My wife read on slashdot that Linux (god himself) does not like kde 4 and went back to using gnome
[01:38] <White_Pelican> that's gotta tell me something
[01:38] <White_Pelican> not trying to be a troll gere but...
[01:38] <White_Pelican> here*
[01:39] <Wutz> Linus you mean?
[01:39] <Wutz> Yes he switched, but I think it was from 4.0 not recently, although I could be wrong
[01:42] <White_Pelican> yes I meant linus
[01:42] <White_Pelican> I suffer from ffs
[01:42] <White_Pelican> I could look it up like casey stengel used to say :)
[01:42] <DaSkreech> kaddi: I don't know what's ofensive either. What did you do before it froze?
[01:43] <DaSkreech> Wutz: huh? KDE4 has been moving incredibly fast
[01:43] <DaSkreech> White_Pelican: He's on Fedora :) Of course he's going to switch
[01:43] <White_Pelican> alrighty then :)
[01:44] <kaddi> i had been watching youtube videos for the last couple of hours, chatting here and on icq
[01:44] <DaSkreech> I don't doubt too much that he's going to switch back when he feels the need again
[01:44] <kaddi> and i might have had amarok running... but nothing out of the ordinary really
[01:45] <DaSkreech> Wutz: Yeah Linus switched at 4.0 Fedora made everyone install 4.0 once you upgraded with no KDE3 option. So pretty much if 4.0 didn't work for you (which it didn't for a lot of people) and you are not jumping shp from Fedora you use something else
[01:46] <DaSkreech> kaddi: How often does it freeze?
[01:46] <marek_>   ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in
[01:46] <marek_> i was trying to compike widget
[01:47] <marek_> can you help me?
[01:47] <kaddi> DaSkreech: not more than 10 times in the last 2-3 weeks... but as I said, I had a faulty RAM-stick (the only one in this machine) so I put it down to this
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Do you have two computers available?
[01:48] <kaddi> this is the first time, since then, that it freezes up... so I haven't had any freezes in the last 5 days
[01:48] <kaddi> yes and no... I do have an old laptop, I could probably revive... not sure internet will work in it though
[01:49] <kaddi> i do have a dualboot on this one though, (as well as the older laptop)
[01:50] <yao_ziyuan1> is there a way to retrieve the last apt-get output?
[01:51] <KDesk> yao_ziyuan1: I think /var/log/apt
[01:51] <KDesk>  /var/log/aptitude and also all the logs in /var/log/
[01:52] <DaSkreech> kaddi: Ok I get X freezes from time to time I can ssh in and restart X
[01:52] <kaddi> ah, that might be worth a try.... i'll setup an ssh-server. :)
[01:54] <kaddi> (even though i do not have an entirely functional laptop, i happen to live with 2 guys i can trust.. so I could use their PCs :) )
[01:56] <walter> hello
[01:57] <walter> has anybody used a radeon 7000 PCI with 8.10?
[01:58] <rico> exit
[01:58] <rico> exit
[01:59] <DaSkreech> kaddi: no need for trust they can't save your password anyway
[02:01] <kaddi> but still, one feels better when trust is also present ;) ... at least one of them would definitely know how to use a keylogger ;)
[02:02] <kaddi> supposing the x-server crashed would I find any entries (errormessages) in the syslog, messages, etc?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> If X crashed you would know
[02:06] <_MMA_> What are other music players *besides* Amarok for KDE/QT?
[02:06] <DaSkreech> Juk
[02:06] <DaSkreech> dragon
[02:06] <DaSkreech> kaffiene
[02:06]  * _MMA_ Googles.
[02:07] <KDesk> _MMA_: you mean that use Qt?
[02:08] <KDesk> You can also use the ones that use GTK or JAVA
[02:08] <usuario> hello
[02:09] <desperate> hello, i need you
[02:09] <_MMA_> KDesk: No. My 1st question was very intentional. DaSkreech seems to have given the other top contenders.
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> vlc now uses Qt for its frontend nowadays
[02:09] <DaSkreech> hi desperate
[02:09] <kaddi> is there anything else i could try to do, to find the reason for the freeze?
[02:10] <kaddi> or should i just wait for the next time? :D
[02:10] <DaSkreech> Oh VLC
[02:10] <desperate> hi
[02:10] <desperate> do you can hel me?
[02:10] <KDesk> kaddi: Mostly if the software is not considered stable, it is software problem, but can also be any hardware part, RAM, video card, HD,etc.
[02:11] <DaSkreech> kaddi: insta freezes are hard to pick up. If the application has no chance to notify something is wrong and isn't setup that something else monitors it then you may have no indication
[02:11] <DaSkreech> desperate: yes
[02:12] <desperate> i dont speak english, but need help
[02:12] <kaddi> DaSkreech: thanks, I'll just wait and see... maybe I'll get lucky with the ssh-server :)
[02:12] <desperate> need to put win xp
[02:12] <mgroman> !ohmy | kaddi
[02:12] <mgroman> please
[02:12] <_MMA_> DaSkreech: Reason for my question is I know what's out there for GNOME (I develop for Ubuntu Studio) and dislike Amarok. So I'm looking for a *music* player for KDE/QT that's a little less, robust. And nothing that's a switchblade. Seems like there's not much past Amarok.
[02:12] <desperate> because, i cant view my cam
[02:12] <DaSkreech> desperate: What do you speak?
[02:13] <desperate> spanish
[02:13] <kaddi> KDesk: I did a quick check on the RAM and the HD... but, for sure, there might be other Hardware issues I haven't thought off..
[02:13] <DaSkreech> _MMA_: dragon
[02:13] <DaSkreech> all it does it play
[02:13] <DaSkreech> !es | desperate
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> the package name would be dragonplayer
[02:14] <DaSkreech> kaddi: video card overheating
[02:14] <kaddi> mgroman isn't a troll is he?
[02:14] <_MMA_> DaSkreech: I looked at it. Might be a bit too spartan, but I'll keep looking. :)
[02:14] <login_> sdt
[02:14] <DaSkreech> kaddi: Seems so or a bot
[02:14] <login_> koio
[02:14] <DaSkreech> _MMA_: Juk
[02:14] <login_> jio0uoop
[02:14] <DaSkreech> It's in between
[02:15] <DaSkreech> has a playlist and little else
[02:15] <desperate> ok
[02:15] <_MMA_> DaSkreech: Yeah. Looks that way. Thanx. I'll try that out.
[02:16] <KDesk> kaddi: is the crash random?
[02:16] <DaSkreech> login_: yes?
[02:17] <login_> can i help you??
[02:17] <KDesk> kaddi: Have you tested it in another computer to see if you can reproduce the bug/freeze?
[02:17] <kaddi> DaSkreech: how could I check the video card thing? I did install lmsensors but it only seems to be able to read the harddisk temperature correctly (other temps are ß or 1=
[02:18] <KDesk> kaddi: you can search for your pc model in google to see if anybody has also a similar problem.
[02:18] <kaddi> KDesk:it's only a really rare freeze... maybe 10 if its high... and the other 9 might have been related to defective RAM. I just but in a new stick 5 days ago... hadn't had a problem since then
[02:18] <kaddi> and I'm going to google as well :)
[02:19] <kaddi> and I don't have another PC with enough Harddiskspace to install it
[02:19] <KDesk> kaddi:  Maybe it is not full supported hardware. Have you tried ALT+SYS RQ?
[02:20] <kaddi> KDesk: no, I don't know what that is :D
[02:20] <kaddi> what is SYSRQ?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> SYSREQ = isent that like alt-ctrl-PrintScreen >
[02:21] <Dr_willis> it evey says 'sysreq' under my 'printscreen' key
[02:22] <KDesk> kaddi: I don't know very well
[02:22] <Dr_willis> sysreq - casuese a kernel dump/logging information stuff to happen in the event of a major bad crash
[02:22] <kaddi> Dr-Willis: ah thanks. :D it says "druck" and "s-abf" on mine
[02:22] <kaddi> ;)
[02:22] <Dr_willis> and in 15+ year of linux use.. ive never  used it. :)
[02:23] <kaddi> nothing happens, when I press alt+sysreq... should I see something?
[02:24] <KDesk> kaddi: here is a small explanation of the history of the key http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[02:24] <KDesk> kaddi: It is, ALT+SYSRQ+R+E+I+S+U+B
[02:25] <KDesk> At the same time ALT+SysRq while pressing the R, then the E...et.
[02:25] <kaddi> KDesk: I literally didn't know which key on my keyboard was the ysrg key ;) that's why I asked ;)
[02:25] <KDesk> kaddi: hehe, I didn't knew that some months ago :)
[02:27] <Dr_willis> 'Linux: - Helping you use all those keys - that you NEVER knew what they were used for!'
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Overheard once "What the heck is the Tilda Key?'
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Overheard once  'back tick? whats a backtick?'
[02:27] <Dr_willis> 'who needs  < and > anyway?'
[02:27] <kaddi> i might not want to do this right now, do I?
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Using the sysreq key sequance = Instant lockup/logging/power down - i think
[02:28] <kaddi> yes... :D i'm glad i finished reading the wikientry before trying again :D
[02:28] <Dr_willis> I recall some one filing a 'bug' once -- "the systemlocks up when i do a ALT+ctrl-whatever-printscreen' ---> he got mad when he was told it was a 'feature'
[02:29] <Dr_willis> I think you can hook up a serial terminal (see your wiki) to the serial ports and get logging/bug info from there also.
[02:31] <DaSkreech> You can
[02:31] <KDesk> kaddi: ah, if you get such a freeze again, you can try to type: ALT+SysRq + R + E + S + U + B  , with a delay of maybe 5s between every key, and if that reboots the system the kernel was not freezed, maybe the xserver.
[02:31] <Dr_willis> or just try sshing in from another machine. :)
[02:31] <Dr_willis> if ya can ssh in. use 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart'
[02:32] <KDesk> That is also a good idea :)
[02:32] <KDesk> here is a better explanation http://fosswire.com/2007/09/08/fix-a-frozen-system-with-the-magic-sysrq-keys/
[02:32] <kaddi> I'll try to remember that :D might have to start writing all this down ;) (or just save the log of this conversation)
[02:33] <DaSkreech> Write it
[02:33] <KDesk> Better write down :)
[02:33] <DaSkreech> YOu can't read the saved log when the system freezes
[02:33] <KDesk> An analog paper is saver.
[02:33]  * kaddi is able to lose important papers in less than3 secondes :D
[02:33] <kaddi> but i'll write it down and store it somewhere safe :D
[02:37] <kaddi> so, the most important things would probably be the magic keys and the x-restart command :)
[02:40] <DaSkreech> yep
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Well the X restart is second nature once you know sysv
[02:40] <DaSkreech> which oddly enough Ubuntu is not
[02:40] <Dr_willis> !upstart
[02:41] <Dr_willis> upstart is amazingly well done - it seems  :) many people dont even realize they are not using   a SYS V thing
[02:41] <DaSkreech> I do cause init 6 doesn't work :(
[02:43] <stdin> init 6 == reboot
[02:45] <thomas__> how can we check the progress of large copies in Doliphin?
[02:46] <kaddi> i'll be going, all of a sudden it's 4am and I have to be at work soon :o
[02:46] <kaddi> many thanks to DaSkreech, KDesk and Dr_willis :)
[02:46] <kaddi> see you soon
[02:48] <Dr_willis> almost 10 here.. about time for me to go to work
[02:53] <DaSkreech> ThomasD: Blast
[02:55] <Szadek> hello , my gstreamer is giving too bright photos on webkam .... i tried to fix the brightness on gstreamer properties but the output is always the same ... does anyone have any idea how to fix this
[02:55] <Szadek> ???
[02:57] <marcel> please how can i use dosemu -> sample of a command... ??
[02:57] <DaSkreech> hi BluesKaj
[02:57] <BluesKaj> hey DaSkreech, how's things ?
[02:58] <DaSkreech> not bad how are you?
[02:58] <BluesKaj> good & good :)
[02:58] <marcel> i try dosemu -install -E 16000 but fail
[03:00] <BluesKaj> !dosemu
[03:01] <BluesKaj> !info dosemu
[03:01] <bazhang> marcel, what are you trying to emulate?
[03:01] <BluesKaj> prolly DOOM
[03:01]  * DaSkreech chuckles
[03:01] <bazhang> why not get dosbox
[03:01] <Dr_willis> Theres native Linux ports of DOOM and a dozen variants
[03:01] <Dr_willis>  they run doom better then the original dos verion
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Don't jump all over him :)
[03:02] <DaSkreech> That was a joke
[03:02] <Dr_willis> I got DOOM on my GP32 :)
[03:02] <Dr_willis> and GP2x
[03:02] <Dr_willis> its still a classic
[03:02] <BluesKaj> !E 16000
[03:02] <DaSkreech> As long as you don't put 3 behind it
[03:02] <marcel> yes i try to emulate like: dosemu -install -L 20000 -e 1024 -n
[03:02] <Dr_willis> byeeeee
[03:03] <Dr_willis> doxbox dies games MUCH better then dosemu i fune
[03:03] <Dr_willis> find.
[03:03] <Dr_willis> Night all. :)
[03:03] <bazhang> marcel, for games?
[03:03] <DaSkreech> It dies them ?
[03:04] <marcel> no , for foxpro
[03:04] <marcel> or borlandc exe...
[03:04] <marcel> not for games
[03:05] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:08] <marcel> bazhang: do you have an ideea how to launch dosemu ??
[03:08] <bazhang> marcel, not sure as I have never used it sorry
[03:09] <marcel> ok, thanks
[03:17] <BluesKaj> sacktime...nite all
[03:30] <KDesk> Every time I open Kate it comes with the left tab bar open, is it possible to make it default that the left tab bar is closed every time?
[03:34] <DaSkreech> Dunno actually
[03:43] <tweakedeh> I cant get sound working with ZSNES any ideas?
[03:59] <khalidmian> i just downloaded the iso file for kubuntu jaunty and tried to install it through both burning a cd and trying to runit via virtaul drive but for some reason it says invalid cd..p.s im trying to do installation within windows
[04:00] <BentFrank> did you do the md5 hash check and the CD check?
[04:01] <khalidmian> how do i perform check sum on a download
[04:03] <khalidmian> how do i perform check sum on a download that to on an iso file
[04:04] <khalidmian> i got the download from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-3/
[04:04] <legodude_> md5sum
[04:05] <khalidmian> im right now using windows
[04:05] <BattleStarJesus> Video in the Adobe Player embeded in Firefox will not play correctly.  The player loads, the content downloads, but playback glitches to a hault.  I am using Kubuntu 8.10, Compiz-Fusion, Firefox 3.0.5, and Adobe Flash Player 10. Turning off Compiz does not solve the complication. How do I resolve the issue.
[04:07] <khalidmian> i just use vlc instead of 10,00 different players
[04:07] <DaSkreech> !md5
[04:07] <BattleStarJesus> How do I configure for different players players?
[04:08] <khalidmian> configure what?
[04:09] <BattleStarJesus> khalidmian: did you respond to my pose or where to some one else?
[04:09] <BattleStarJesus> khalidmian: I am trying to watch YouTube videos in FireFox
[04:09] <khalidmian> ah
[04:09] <khalidmian> you need flash
[04:10] <khalidmian> not adobe player
[04:10] <BattleStarJesus>  Video in the Adobe Player embeded in Firefox will not play correctly.  The player loads, the content downloads, but playback glitches to a hault.  I am using Kubuntu 8.10, Compiz-Fusion, Firefox 3.0.5, and Adobe Flash Player 10. Turning off Compiz does not solve the complication. How do I resolve the issue.
[04:10] <khalidmian> r u using ubuntu
[04:10] <khalidmian> BattleStarJesus r u using ubuntu or kubuntu
[04:11] <BattleStarJesus> khalidmian: how do I switch from Adobe Player to Adobe Flash?
[04:11] <BattleStarJesus> I am using Kubuntu 8.10
[04:12] <BattleStarJesus> khalidmian: wait its Adobe Flash Player.
[04:12] <BattleStarJesus> version 10,0,15,3 i
[04:12] <BattleStarJesus> version 10,0,15,3
[04:12] <khalidmian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:12] <khalidmian> should have info for kubuntu aswell
[04:13] <BattleStarJesus> I have been there but will check again.
[04:14] <khalidmian> BattleStarJesus sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:15] <BattleStarJesus> I'll try
[04:15] <khalidmian> or use adept to search for flash i u have restricted extras as part of repostoreies
[04:16] <kde185> kubuntu-restricted-extras is also a good meta package to install all of that pesky proprietary crap
[04:16] <khalidmian> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:16] <BattleStarJesus> khalidmian: it is already installed
[04:17] <khalidmian> then search for flash in adept
[04:18] <khalidmian> BattleStarJesus is your 3rd party software repository enabled?
[04:18] <BattleStarJesus> wait 5 to install and 2 to remove for the restricted extras
[04:19] <BattleStarJesus> yes
[04:20] <khalidmian> sudo apt-get install update
[04:20] <BattleStarJesus> This is relaxing, a complete pain in the
[04:20] <khalidmian> sudo apt-get install upgrade
[04:20] <khalidmian> sudo update-flashplugin
[04:20] <BattleStarJesus> but relaxing none the less, I am truly living the geek life
[04:22] <tincho_> esto que es?
[04:22] <khalidmian> ubottu the instruction you gave me make sence if u already have ubuntu/kubuntu..i only have windows and am trying to gethold of jaunty iso file for fresh install however virtual drive says invalid cd
[04:23] <khalidmian> yeah thought so
[04:23] <BattleStarJesus> How do I find a program and kill it? Firefox is aparently running but I do not know where to find it.
[04:24] <legodude__> killall firefox
[04:25] <legodude__> or ctrl+esc
[04:28] <BattleStarJesus> Videos seem to be playing correctly now, I will turn compiz back on and see how the videos respond.
[04:28] <BentFrank> ubottu: !qt
[04:29] <BentFrank> ubottu: !backports
[04:30] <DaSkreech> !es | tincho
[04:32] <BattleStarJesus> Ok all is well.
[04:32] <BattleStarJesus> TIME FOR PANCAKES!!!
[05:46] <stagga> i tryed to upgrade using wrong server now it will not allow me to boot into desktop says could not start kstartupconfig4
[05:46] <stagga> NYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX
[05:50] <progmanos1> hello
[05:50] <progmanos1> kde 4.2 will be released today!
[05:58] <usuario> OI
[05:59] <usuario> ?
[06:03] <kela_> Доброго времени суток многоуважаемые обитатели канала!
[06:04] <stdin> !ru
[06:04] <kela_> Разъясните, как настраивать печать из Kubuntu на расшаренный принтер, подключённый к компьютеру под winXP в домене?
[06:05] <stagga_> what that mean to me
[06:06] <stagga_> progmanos1 what that mean
[06:08] <stagga_> how to uninstall nessus client
[06:08] <jon_high9000> I am currently on Kubuntu 8.10 and i am just starting with KDE. is there any way to determine where the current version of KDE Theme Manager is located?
[06:09] <stagga_> it dosent come install apt-get install kdm
[06:09] <stagga_> how to uninstall nessus client
[06:12] <stdin> jon_high9000: you can install themes from System Settings -> Appearance
 before signing in to this chat room i intalled KDM Theme Manager version 1.2.2-1ubuntu1. sorry to ask but is it possible to also use gnome (gtk) Themes?
[06:20] <stagga_> no
[06:21] <stagga_> i tryed to upgrade using wrong server now it will not allow me to boot into desktop says could not start kstartupconfig4
[06:21] <stagga_> kubuntu 8.10 could not start kstartupconfig4
[06:23] <stdin> jon_high9000: you can see if it starts with "kdesudo kcmshell kdmtheme"
[06:23] <stdin> stagga_: what do you men wrong server?
[06:24] <stagga_> idk maybe the right one but wrong order of install
[06:24] <stagga_> had same problems years ago
[06:24] <stagga_> do you have a remedy
[06:24] <stdin> have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
 thank you very much for your help. it is very much appreciated.
[06:25] <techbw> hi all
[06:25] <techbw> just want to find out if I mount the kubuntu 8.10 dvd will I be able to update via apt, without using the internet?
[06:27] <stagga_> yep
[06:27] <NGL-TwYsTeD> hello can i get some help for rtl8185 pci laptop driver installation so my wifi will work on my lappy
[06:27] <stdin> techbw: yes, just press Alt-F2 and enter: kdesudo "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[06:28] <techbw> thanks, once done, I would be able to update the packages that are not on the CD then.
[06:29] <techbw> I just don't want to break my install, spent hourse to get it the way I like
[06:29] <techbw> it
[06:30] <stdin> if there are packages installed that are not on the CD, it'll get them from the net
[06:31] <techbw> the last time I used aptoncd to copy the packages from one computer to the other, but still downloaded the packages, so was hoping to disable the internet, and update the packages that were not upgraded using the cd online
[06:31] <stdin> I don't think you can do a partial upgrade
[06:31] <techbw> but will try that, first want to make an image of the drive just incase
[06:35] <NGL-TwYsTeD> <3
[06:35] <NGL-TwYsTeD> ;)
[06:37] <SteBoo>  /j #kde
[06:38] <NGL-TwYsTeD> ;)
[06:39] <stagga__> kubuntu 8.10 could not start kstartupconfig4
[07:02] <jnalli> how do i associate a file type to a particular application?
[07:02] <jnalli> every video i click on wants to launch banshee
[07:28] <sparr> I need an audio waveform/pattern generator for linux.  Suggestions?
[07:33] <demarco> format complete
[07:33]  * demarco bows
[07:44] <doubletoker> ....
[07:44] <doubletoker> hey
[07:57] <etfb> I'm getting used to KDE4, gradually, but how on earth do I edit the menu?  I want to add global keyboard shortcuts to some of my frequently-used applications.
[07:59] <rat_poison> KDE 4.2 is going to be released today!
[07:59] <etfb> rat_poison: Got a link to a list of significant improvements?
[08:00] <rat_poison> not released yet
[08:09] <Guest46234> test
[08:09] <Guest46234> hey guest96788
[08:10] <Guest96788> Guest46234: ?
[08:10]  * etfb decides to try an experiment...
[08:10] <etfb> (Ahem...)
[08:10] <Guest46234> french?
[08:11] <etfb> "KDE4 sucks because there's no way to set up a global keyboard command to run a program!"
[08:11] <Guest46234> you can help me?
[08:12] <Guest46234> i am lost in the chanel and the group
[08:12] <rat_poison> etfb : so i waiting 4.2 to see what happen next
[08:13] <schiste> Guest46234: if you want to get help in french you should go to #ubuntu-fr
[08:13] <Guest46234> i want to talk with guest96788!
[08:13] <JP-sNL3> "The KDE release team has put together a list with the most significant improvements in 4.2 Beta 2:"  http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2-beta2.php
[08:14] <Guest46234> where is the good chanel for files?
[08:16] <gooody> hello
[08:17] <gooody> i need help on how to format flash rive in kubuntu?
[08:17] <etfb> Guest46234: You need to set yourself a user nickname instead of using the one built into your chat program.
[08:17] <Guest46234> ok
[08:18] <gooody> can somebody help me here?
[08:18] <etfb> gooody: What have you tried so far?
[08:18] <gooody> etfb: never tried anything yet. i'm a newbie with kubuntu
[08:19] <Nico_Jack> i need script to download?
[08:20] <gooody> etfb: actually i was trying to format a flashdrive of a friend which is not accesible in windows.
[08:21] <etfb> Nico_Jack: To download what?
[08:21] <Nico_Jack> files from irc
[08:21] <etfb> gooody: There are commands that will format USB drives.  I'm trying to find one that will work without requiring you to use the konsole.
[08:22] <etfb> Nico_Jack: I have no idea what you're talking about.  Can you say what you're trying to do, exactly?
[08:22] <Nico_Jack> i want download files from irc chanel
[08:22] <rat_poison> Athan call, pray time here, bye all, sorry for my bad grammar
[08:22] <gooody> etfb: ok. i'll wait.
[08:23] <Nico_Jack> and talk in english it's good
[08:23] <stdin> !qtparted | gooody
[08:24] <etfb> stdin, gooody: Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.  Will let you format vfat (ie Windows&Linux compatible) or ext2/ext3 (Linux compatible and better)
[08:25] <gooody> stdin: ok, thanks. can is use this to format it to ntfs format?
[08:25] <etfb> Nico_Jack: I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're saying. If there are channels that allow you to download files, I've never seen such a thing, althouh I'm very new to IRC.
[08:25] <stdin> gooody: I thinks so, if you install ntfsprogs
[08:26] <gooody> stdin, etfb: thanks for the help. keep up the goodwork guys.
[08:26] <cq> hello, I can't log in from the GUI but a normal login works fine (command line) ... where are the logs, and what could be wrong?
[08:27] <cq> it seems to let me log in with the GUI and then kicks me right back to the login prompt
[08:27] <etfb> cq: What happens if you log in then type startx?
[08:28] <Nico_Jack> ok
[08:29] <stdin> Nico_Jack: it's built-in to the client, it's called DCC
[08:29] <Nico_Jack> thank you
[08:31] <cq> eftb it complains about tmp not being writable... I jsut made that a LVM volume, what should the privs be?
[08:31] <stdin> /tmp needs to be 1777
[08:32] <stdin> (rwxrwxrwt)
[08:33] <cq> ok, tmp is 755 right now... how can I set it so that it gets 1777 at mount time? or should it get that automatically if I set it once?
[08:37] <stdin> cq: when you change it, the changes should survive reboot
[08:38] <cq> ok, thanks, works
[08:42] <gooody> when i try to run qparted it says "command not found". any way to run qparted?
[08:42] <Boost> ciao a tutti
[08:42] <cq> sudo apt-get install qparted?
[08:42] <stdin> gooody: "qtparted"
[08:42] <stdin> you missed the 't'
[08:42] <cq> heh, or that ... :)
[08:42] <stdin> !it | Boost
[08:43] <gooody> stdin: i mean qtparted.
[08:44] <Boost> thank you
[08:44] <Boost> nye
[08:44] <Boost> bye
[08:44] <stdin> gooody: it'll be under KMenu -> System
[08:45] <stdin> make sure you have actually installed the package
[08:45] <gooody> when i try to run it from applications> system> qtparted, it pops up a dialog box saying "command not found"
[08:46] <gooody> i have installed the package already using synaptic package manager
[08:46] <stdin> hmm, it's a broken .desktop file :|
[08:46] <stdin> gooody: use Alt-F2 and put in: gksudo qtparted
[08:46] <halim_> hi
[08:46] <gooody> stdin: it works
[08:47] <gooody> how am i going to correct the one listed on the applications?
[08:49] <stdin> gooody: it's a bug, leave it to me and the Kubuntu developers
[08:51] <gooody> stdin: i cant view the flashdrive in qtparted? any help?
[08:51] <gooody> stdin: i only have the partition from my harddrive
[08:54] <stdin> gooody: under Disks you should see something like /dev/sdb
[08:55] <gooody> stdin: only /dev/sda appeared under disks
[08:55] <gooody> i have mounted the flashdrive already
[08:55] <stdin> it should not be mounted
[08:56] <gooody> i see.
[08:56] <deborah> hello room. i am installing kubuntu 8.1 cd onto a 2003 vanilla pc with 10 gig hd and duron processor. it appears stuck at " step 6 of 6.. installing system... copying files.... 22%"   the mouse is stuck too. what should i do?
[08:57] <tbr281> what command do i use to check for kde 4.2 release?
[08:58] <vmt> !route
[08:58] <naddix> hello i could use a little help tryin to translate what this guy is saying in this 29 sec clip thanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxG2TT95H0o
[08:59] <stdin> naddix: exactly what does that have to do with Kubuntu?
[09:00] <naddix> well i use kubuntu
[09:00] <naddix> and i was just tryin
[09:00] <naddix> to figure it out
[09:00] <naddix> its not lik its hoppin in here
[09:01] <stdin> that's not the point, ask elsewhere
[09:01] <deborah> how do i unstick the install?
[09:01] <naddix> whatever dude people come here to help each other i help people and i just asked a question u dont know than just keep your mouth shut
[09:02] <stdin> if it stays frozen for 10-20 mins, you'll just have to kill the power and try again. try running the disk verification step
[09:02] <stdin> please keep this channel on topic
[09:02] <naddix> not nice
[09:03] <naddix> so whats the topic
[09:03] <deborah> the disk utility said there were no errors.. this is the second time that this disk has done it.
[09:03] <stdin> naddix: see the topic
[09:04] <gooody> stdin: i have tried formatting the drive using qtparted but no luck. do i need to install other applications in order to reformat the flash drive to fat32?
[09:04] <deborah> i waited 30 minutes last time. would copying another cd make a difference?
[09:05] <naddix> fucking fag
[09:05] <stdin> deborah: make sure to check the md5sum of the downloaded ISO and burn at a low speed
[09:05] <deborah> k.
[09:05] <stdin> gooody: you shouldn't have to, what error do you get?
[09:05] <deborah> bbl... thanx
[09:07] <tbr281> this channel has quite a few bans :P
[09:07] <stdin> we've had quite a few trolls
[09:07] <NGL-TwYsTeD> :)
[09:07] <tbr281> i hate them
[09:07] <gooody> stdin: nothing. i tried to format it to fat32 then add label. after that it shows a full blank space on the drive but after refreshing it comes back to same size as before still containing same file
[09:08] <stdin> gooody: have you made sure the disk is unmounted?
[09:09] <tbr281> is kde 4.2 out yet?
[09:09] <bob1> so can anyone help with a ndis problem
[09:09] <stdin> tbr281: not yet
[09:10] <tbr281> when it is how would i know?
[09:10] <tbr281> i'm still figuring out 4.x
[09:11] <stdin> tbr281: it'll be announced here (in the topic) when the download is ready
[09:12] <urafag> fag
[09:12] <tbr281> ah, thnx stdin
[09:13] <tbr281> wow, that many trolls?
[09:13] <stdin> that's just the one
[09:13] <stdin> and annoying one, but just one
[09:15] <tbr281> whats +d? never seen that mode before
[09:15] <stdin> real name ban
[09:35] <vasily> dgjghgh
[09:40] <cq> what's the best way to copy an entire partition, rsync --archive?
[09:41] <cq> I'm moving stuff to LVMs
[09:43] <stdin> !backup
[09:43] <stdin> cq: have a look at those
[09:44] <JackWinter> how do i get 8.10 to suspend to disk when closing the lid on my laptop ?
[09:44] <stdin> click the battery icon in the system tray
[09:45] <cq> I don't want to back up, i want to migrate...
[09:46] <stdin> you just "backup" to the new system
[09:48] <JackWinter> stdin: thanks
[09:49] <Twylight> HI EVERYONE
[09:50] <Twylight> #ubuntu-unregged
[09:56] <mefisto__> question about kdm: I have a few window managers installed. can I set it up so that it will always log in with my default unless I choose something else from the menu
[09:57] <mefisto__> ?
[09:57] <cq> mefisto__: hte last one selected should be the default...
[09:58] <Eracles> Greetings all. Should be :o)
[09:58]  * robin0800 4.2 is going to be released today!
[09:58] <Eracles> yeay ! ^
[09:59] <Eracles> Some troubles found using the "experimental" repository ?
[09:59] <cq> how can I mount LVMs under the live 8.10 boot? I apt-get installed lvm2, but it's complaining about device-mapper not being there...
[09:59] <mefisto__> cq: yes I know. that's what I DON'T want. I want the one called "Default" in the menu to always be the default
[10:00] <cq> hm, can you migrate a VAR Filesystem from a live system? probably not a good idea to do a copy there...
[10:01] <cq> i.e. rsync --archive it to somewere and then change fstab and reboot
[10:08] <Twylight> I'm setting up a dual-boot system for kubuntu 8.04
[10:08] <Twylight> because my laptop dislikes 8.10 for some reason
[10:26] <aapzak> anyone here know if there is a possibility of 4.2 being available for us today ?
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:32]  * itewsh is away: aw !
[10:33]  * robin0800 I'm on jaunty alpha 3 and adept appears to be downloading 4.2 now
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> robin0800: is jaunty ok for you?
[10:34] <robin0800> ActionParsnip: yes in the mostly more stable than 8.10 IMHO
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> robin0800: might give it a go, system is working 100% so I get bored
[10:35] <elipsis> I have separated the files of aircrack into just the built (16 programs, 16 files) and the manpages folder. How do I incorporate the manpages into the actual manpages of my operating system?
[10:35] <aapzak> lol @ ActionParsnip
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> aapzak: i like fixing my pc and its currently running at 100%
[10:36] <aapzak> ActionParsnip: you should go for Gentoo, always something to fix
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> aapzak: my fileserver runs gentoo :)
[10:36] <aapzak> my main server @home too
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> aapzak: its not as hard as folks think
[10:37] <aapzak> I love Gentoo
[10:37] <aapzak> but ... I don't have the time to maintain it .. therefor I switched my laptops to Ubuntu
[10:37] <elipsis> I have separated the files of aircrack into just the built (16 programs, 16 files) and the manpages folder. How do I incorporate the manpages into the actual manpages of my operating system?
[10:38] <aapzak> haha, someone else just asked that same question 5 seconds ago :)
[10:39] <elipsis> lol
[10:40] <Chantre> hi, i want to ask something
[10:40] <Chantre> i use ubuntu
[10:40] <elipsis> congrats
[10:40] <elipsis> THat's the first step
[10:41] <Tm_T> Chantre: go ahead and ask (:
[10:41] <Chantre> and at startup it is asked
[10:41] <Chantre> passwprd
[10:41] <Chantre> for networkmanger
[10:41] <Chantre> applet
[10:42] <Chantre> password was not asked for this purpose before
[10:42] <glen_> woo I made it!
[10:42] <Chantre> why can this happaned
[10:42] <Chantre> ?
[10:43] <aapzak> Chantre: kde or gnome?
[10:43] <Chantre> gnome
[10:44] <Tm_T> Chantre: this is Kubuntu channel if you didn't notice (;)
[10:44] <aapzak> haha, people in #ubuntu should be able to help you better but I'll try
[10:44] <Tm_T> aapzak: please do (:
[10:44] <aapzak> the password is needed to unlock your keychain
[10:44] <Chantre> ok i am going :$
[10:45] <Chantre> you say "the password is needed to unlock your keychain"
[10:45] <aapzak> gnome (and kde) have ways of maintaining your passwords
[10:45] <Chantre> but before it was not asked
[10:45] <elipsis> Hello!
[10:45] <Chantre> it starts today
[10:45] <aapzak> Chantre: that is impossible :)
[10:46] <Chantre> and i use ubuntu for 3 months
[10:46] <aapzak> the first time it asks your password you are settng the password.
[10:46] <aapzak> after that, its verifying the password
[10:47] <aapzak> maybe you had an upgrade of some package
[10:47] <aapzak> anyway. these are the basics, we are all KDE people here
[10:47] <elipsis> I have compiled the lastest version of aircrack-ng. I deleted all the files except the compiled programs. Well them and the manpages folder. Now how do I add these files from the manpages folder 'into my computer'? Do I just put them in /usr/share/man
[10:47] <aapzak> your question is starting to become very gnome specific
[10:48] <Chantre> ok sorry
[10:48] <aapzak> Chantre: np, but I cannot help you further
[10:49] <raphink> elipsis: normally, you would do "make install" to install ;)
[10:49] <raphink> elipsis: that said, aircrack-ng is pretty illegal imo, so I wouldn't advertise using it...
[10:49] <raphink> elipsis: unless you're auditing your own AP to see how long it would take to crack your key ;)
[10:50] <mefisto_> illegal?
[10:50] <raphink> well cracking WEP/WAP keys is not a very legal thing to do
[10:50] <raphink> just as cracking any password system to access a system or network
[10:51] <raphink> at least in my country, it's not legal to bypass security measure to access a system or network
[10:51] <aapzak> well , depends on how you use it
[10:51] <Tm_T> aapzak: not really, when you don't have permission to do so
[10:51] <aapzak> you could use it on your own AP, or in a scientific setup
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> could see it as a privacy breach
[10:52] <raphink> apart from auditing your own network, I don't see what else is acceptable
[10:52] <aapzak> me neither, but that does not make the app illegal
[10:53] <Tm_T> app itself is not illegal
[10:53] <elipsis> raphink: What'd you mean?
[10:53] <elipsis> raphink: The app is perfectly legal
[10:53] <raphink> elipsis: yes, the app is legal
[10:54] <aapzak> well, there are probably countries in which even having this app is illegal
[10:54] <aapzak> but not in my country
[10:54] <elipsis> Germany
[10:54] <elipsis> I have compiled the lastest version of aircrack-ng. I deleted all the files except the compiled programs. Well them and the manpages folder. Now how do I add these files from the manpages folder 'into my computer'? Do I just put them in /usr/share/man
[10:56] <Tm_T> elipsis: make install ?
[10:58] <elipsis> ok
[10:59] <marek__> hi i compiled widet with weather forecast
[10:59] <marek__> but it is not visible on add widget window
[10:59] <marek__> what might be wrong?
[10:59] <elipsis> I'm confused, I'm trying to add a path of my choosing to the $PATH enviromental variable, and I was recommended editing /etc/profile. Is this the correct way to do what I want to do?
[11:00] <aapzak> nope
[11:01] <aapzak> I'm not sure what the best way is. I'd create a file in /etc/profile.d/ in which I'd make additions to existing profile
[11:01] <elipsis> Then how?
[11:01] <elipsis> Ah
[11:01] <ubuntu_> my system is in such a mess after trying to upgrade to 8.10.  How can i completely remove kde and then reinstall it ?
[11:01] <elipsis> sudo apt-get remove
[11:01] <mefisto_> /etc/environment
[11:01] <aapzak> export PATH=$PATH:/your/path/added/here
[11:01] <aapzak> maybe mefisto_ 's way is better
[11:02] <mefisto_> /etct environment if you want it to be permanent (ie, after reboot)
[11:02] <marek__> what is the repo with latest kde?
[11:02] <etfb> I want to define some global keys to launch various applications.  Used to be a matter of seconds in KDE3, but how do I do it in KDE4?
[11:02] <marek__> im using neon now
[11:03] <marek__> but i think there is newer one
[11:03] <Guest1522> anyone know where to find qt 3.0.2
[11:03] <raphink> marek__: I'm using tsimpson's, it has kdelibs5 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> Guest1522: apt-cache search qt
[11:04] <marek__> raphink can you paste me this repo here?
[11:04] <raphink> marek__: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu intrepid main
[11:04] <stdin> hey, why are you using that?
[11:06] <elipsis> So /etc/environment
[11:06] <Chantre> i am newly using irc client, how i can find channel just for chat
[11:06] <elipsis> Or export PATH=$PATH:/your/path/added/here
[11:07] <etfb> Chantre: Chat about what?  There are millions of channels on every imaginable topic (and plenty unimaginable ones too).
[11:07] <Guest1522> didnt help
[11:07] <TunaTom> Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:07] <stdin> raphink: you'll want to use the kubuntu-experimental PPA
[11:07] <TunaTom> :)
[11:07] <Chantre> i don't know, there is no search-tool
[11:07] <Chantre> ?
[11:07] <etfb> Chantre: What IRC software are you using?
[11:08] <Chantre> @TunaTom thak you
[11:08] <Chantre> Konversation
[11:08] <etfb> Chantre: Press F5 for the channel list.
[11:08] <Guest1522> anyone know where to find qt 3.0.2
[11:09] <stdin> Guest1522: there is 3.3.8, but not 3.0.2
[11:09] <amerigo_> SMB and NFS servers are not installed on this machine, to enable this module the servers must be installed.....
[11:09] <etfb> Chantre: ... Then press the Apply Filter button
[11:09] <amerigo_> what are the package to install?
[11:09] <ZmAY>  can someone help me with linuxdc++ install, i get this error: scons: *** Source `linuxdcpp' not found, needed by target `/usr/local/bin/linuxdcpp'.  Stop
[11:09] <Chantre> @etfb : D thnk u so much
[11:10] <raphink> amerigo_: samba and nfs-kernel-server
[11:10] <amerigo_> raphink: samba is installed..... i know
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> ZmAY: apt-cache search linuxdcpp
[11:10]  * etfb thinks making Konversation load up the #kubuntu channel by default is a particularly stupid default...
[11:11] <ZmAY> linuxdcpp - Port of the Windows file-sharing program, DC++
[11:11] <ZmAY> linuxdcpp0.691 - Port of the Windows file-sharing program DC++
[11:11] <raphink> etfb: why?
[11:11] <Guest1522> cant get into off topic
[11:11]  * elipsis goes to bed
[11:11] <etfb> raphink: Because this is a channel for kubuntu-related topics, but a significant number of people who use IRC just want to use it for other topics.
[11:12] <raphink> etfb: well the point of autoloading #kubuntu is that people can get help easily
[11:12] <raphink> they just have to fire up konversation
[11:13] <etfb> We need an ubottu (sp?) command !konversation that says something like "This is the channel for discussion about Kubuntu.  If you're using Konversation, press [blah blah blah] for a list of channels, or stay on this channel to get help about Kubuntu."
[11:13] <raphink> etfb: sure, that's a good idea :)
[11:13] <ubuntu_> is kde 4.2 in any repo yet ?
[11:13] <etfb> raphink: That presumes the ONLY reason they'd use Konv. is for chattingabout Kubuntu.
[11:13] <ZmAY> ActionParsnip: any suggestion?
[11:13] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: it is not released yet
[11:14] <etfb> Hmmm... wonder what happens...
[11:14] <etfb> !konversation
[11:14] <carpii> hm i hoped the RC2 might be
[11:14] <marek__> do you remember how was called this app to record desktop actions?
[11:14] <etfb> Thought so.
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> ZmAY: try installing one of those then recompile
[11:14] <aapzak> carpii: There was no 4.2 RC2
[11:15] <aapzak> in Kubuntu at least
[11:16] <carpii> i upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 and was horrified to find it removed kde 3.5 from my system. I just thinkt hats the worst decision ever
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> aapzak: all *buntus use the same repos
[11:16] <aapzak> ActionParsnip: I know
[11:16] <mefisto_> carpii: I'm with you
[11:16] <aapzak> ActionParsnip: I was not sure if KDE released a RC2, Ubuntu didn't
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> aapzak: so "in kubuntu at least" is fairly moot
[11:17] <carpii> ok mefisto, im glad its not just me
[11:17] <marek__> aapzak rc2 is still not out yet
[11:17] <marek__> it will be today probably
[11:17] <marek__> it will take at least hours to update to repos
[11:17] <aapzak> marek__: if its not out, its never coming out
[11:18] <marek__> aapzak :)
[11:18] <marek__> it is still very buggy
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> capiira: me too, i run fluxbox but the kde apps i run were pretty horrific. I'm hoping jaunty is a bit slicker
[11:19] <TunaTom> i was under the impression that today not an rc2 would be released but the final !?
[11:19] <aapzak> haha, they're so busy celebrating the release, noone has time to actually release :)
[11:20] <stdin> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule#January_27th.2C_2009:_Release_KDE_4.2
[11:21] <TunaTom> aapzak: hu? I was trying to find some online celebration but couldn't, so I think they're busy releasing. In my desperation I even went to IRC
[11:21] <aapzak> TunaTom: :) me too
[11:21] <papilio> oi
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> has anyone used apt-build in here?
[11:22] <papilio> Ĉu iu ajn tie-ĉi min komprenas??
[11:23] <papilio> Alguém aqui me entende?
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> !fr \ papilio
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> !fr | papilio
[11:25] <papilio> Pardon! je ne parle pas france
[11:25] <bazhang> espanol or brasil
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> !es | papilio
[11:25] <papilio> Brasil, Rio de Janeiro
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> !brazil | papilio
[11:25] <papilio> Mercy
[11:25] <bazhang> #ubuntu-br
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> ce rien
[11:30] <WishingMaster> what will happen if i do "apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[11:31] <WishingMaster> will it upgrade my ubuntu distro to kubuntu or will it upgrade my ubuntu to latest distro ?
[11:31] <WishingMaster> latest version ?
[11:32] <TunaTom> your ubuntu wouldn't be changed to kubuntu,
[11:32] <TunaTom> rather all the software would be updated to the latest version in the repositories
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> WishingMaster: it will upgrade kernels and compiling libs for your distro, if you want kubuntu you must install kde
[11:33] <TunaTom> all the _installed_ software :)
[11:33] <WishingMaster> i want kde not kubuntu
[11:33] <WishingMaster> just kde
[11:34] <WishingMaster> ActionParsnip, i just want lates kde
[11:35] <WishingMaster> *latest
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> WishingMaster: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-install-kde-42/
[11:35] <WishingMaster> hmmm
[11:36] <WishingMaster> let me check that
[11:38] <WishingMaster> ActionParsnip, $ sudo apt-get install kde-nightly, how will i update to kde 4.2 once its available ?
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> WishingMaster: it will be on the official repos with a later version number is my guess, or you could uninstall the nightly, comment out the nightly repo then install there
[11:40] <TunaTom> kde-nightly will install only the nightly build from svn.
[11:40] <TunaTom> not stay with the stable 4.2 release
[11:41] <WishingMaster> how to install stable?
[11:41] <TunaTom> ActionParsnip: would kde-desktop pull all the splash-screen dependencies ?
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> TunaTom: im not sure, you could install kubuntu-desktop then uninstall what you dont want
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> WishingMaster: not sure, maybe someone else can chip in
[11:42] <CraigGB> hi, just wondering if anyone knows what time today abouts kde 4.2 will be released?
[11:42] <TunaTom> I have the feeling that WishingMaster is a gnome user who only wants to test kde
[11:43] <TunaTom> CraigGB: 1PM ECT
[11:43] <WishingMaster> TunaTom, yes you are right
[11:43] <tarimari> CraigGB: 1800 UTC. but that's kde.
[11:43] <CraigGB> ah okay, thanks
[11:43] <tarimari> but this does not mean ready for ubuntu
[11:43] <WishingMaster> but i will stick to it permanently
[11:43] <tarimari> kubuntu-experimental ppa at launchpad, some hours later maybe
[11:43] <WishingMaster> as i have used it in the past for few mins
[11:43] <tarimari> 4.2 rules. yuhuu
[11:43] <tarimari> :)
[11:44] <TunaTom> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[11:44] <WishingMaster> i removed the bottom panel by mistake and couldn't get it back(the orignal) so i removed kde completely
[11:45] <WishingMaster> well i will try it once again after couple of hours
[11:45] <WishingMaster> bye to you all
[11:45] <zedority> WishingMaster: that´s a bit harsh
[11:54] <collan> hey
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> hi collan
[11:55] <mefisto_> would it be possible to make a metapackage (something like kubuntu-desktop-remove) where removing it will mark all packages referred to by kubuntu-desktop as unneeded, so that apt-get autoremove will remove everything kubuntu-desktop installs?
[11:55] <collan> i need help... i cant use youtube since my flash player doesnt work. i guess it has to do something abt im running 64 bit os ?
[11:56] <zedority> 64-bit flashplayer development lags behind the 32-bit version, yes
[11:57] <collan> is there a way i can install a flash player that works for me ?
[11:57] <Shock> mefisto_: why wouldn't removing kubuntu-destop and then doing an autoremove work?
[11:58] <zedority> i don´t know if there´s a 64-bit version available at all right now
[11:58] <zedority> you´d need to check
[11:59] <collan> isnt there a way i could run a 32 bit flash player ?
[11:59] <mefisto_> Shock: it doesn't work that way. you need to specifically remove everything kubuntu-desktop installed, and it's a ridiculously long list
[12:00] <mefisto_> Shock: I don't know enough about apt to understand why it is this way
[12:00] <zedority> collan: there was a crude hack to do it, but i don´t remeber it fully
[12:01] <zedority> collan: there is a 64-bit version of flash available for linux, but i don´t know if it´s in the ubuntu repositories
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> collan: nspluginwrapper can run 32bit flash, there is 64bit flash now
[12:10] <cq> hello, I have a weird X problem... I boot the machine, get to the login screen, log in, and the resolution is set too low. Then I click on system settings -> display, and hte display goes dark and then adjusts to the correct resolution...
[12:10] <cq> next boot, same story. any ideas?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> cq: what app are you running to set the res?
[12:12] <cq> none, just a standard install
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> cq: try kdesudo systemsettings
[12:13] <cq> xorg.conf is minimal, no custom settings there
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> cq: and set it there
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> cq: also, try moving the desired resolution to be the leftmost value in the resolution list, this will make it the default
[12:14] <cq> where is the resolution list?
[12:14] <mefisto_> cq: look inside  ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc where there is screenres settings. maybe something is going wrong there?
[12:15] <cq> mefisto_: that file doesn't even exist...
[12:15] <collan> ActionParsnip: how do i install 64 bit flash then ? do u know ?
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> collan: i got the .so from adobe.com and dropped it into ~/.mozilla/plugins
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> collan: or you can run: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[12:16] <mefisto_> cq: maybe try creating it? I can pastebin what I have in mine if you want
[12:16] <cq> sure, why not...
[12:17] <etfb> Is it possible, using qtparted or some other program, to resize my main partition, /dev/sda1, to make a new "drive" just for /home so I can blow away my OS and install a different version without needing to copy everything off /home?
[12:18] <stdin> etfb: have a look at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[12:18] <mefisto_> cq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/110253/
[12:19] <etfb> Thank you, file descripter 0!
[12:19] <cq> t5hanks, I'll try that later...
[12:20] <cq> funny enough,  used to not work at all until the latest upgrade
[12:20] <cq> X used to ...
[12:20] <cq> kept trying wrong sync freqs even with xorg.conf edited.
[12:20] <collan> ActionParsnip: i get a black window now and if i right click it says the file hasnt been loaded.
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> collan: have you also got gnash installed?
[12:21] <mefisto_> etfb: qtparted can do that, but not while the partition you're working on is mounted, so you could do it with livecd for example
[12:22] <collan> ActionParsnip: no? whats that
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> collan: just checking, if you have both installed they conflict
[12:22] <collan> ActionParsnip:  what is gnash? is that a flash player ?
[12:23] <etfb> mefisto_: Yep, the instructions stdin linked to cover all that.  Looks doable then.  Excellent.  I gave Intrepid a few days, but I'm afraid it really is the Windows Vista of the Ubuntu world.  I'm going back to Kubuntu 8.04.
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> collan: its an open source flash plugin
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> rather than the closed adobe one
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> collan: go to adobe.com grab and extract the tar.gz and copy the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> collan: the plugins folder won't be there and will need creating
[12:25] <collan> ActionParsnip: ~/ ?? im new to this stuf.. what folder is that? lol
[12:26] <stdin> collan: ~/ is your home directory. the shell will expand ~ automatically
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> collan: ~/ == /home/<yourusernamebuddy>
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> collan: its a shorthand
[12:26] <zedority> he´s probably using graphical tools
[12:27] <stdin> GUI tools also expand ~/
[12:27] <zedority> really? cool
[12:27] <collan> ohhh ok... yeah it expanded... but i was unsure if it was the right one then lol
[12:27] <aapzak> ehh collan , on my box konqueror + flash works very very bad
[12:28] <mefisto_> collan: so if you are doing what ActionParsnip is suggesting, you should do that for any other user's home dir (if you have any other users set up)
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> collan: its a handy shortcut as it will ALWAYS go to youor home dir, doesnt matter where it is or who you are
[12:28] <krlos> ryanakca, hi
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> mefisto_: yeah thats the sucky bit, most ubuntu users asking for help have a single user from what iv'e seen
[12:28] <collan> ActionParsnip: yeah... that seems handy
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> collan: you pick up stuff like that as you se ommand line more :)
[12:30] <mefisto_> another possibility is making the symlink /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin point to wherever you have the libflashplayer.so
[12:30] <stdin> you can also use it to get to other users' home directories, eg: ~user1
[12:30] <stdin> as no all home directories need be under /home
[12:31] <Twylight> http://buttersafe.com/2009/01/15/last-night/
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> stdin: nice, i only have 1 user though but thats handy
[12:39] <collan> gahhhh... how i install the plugin wrapper ?
[12:41] <zedority> collan: it´s in the repositories
[12:44] <collan> how i just install it ? and it works ?
[12:44] <zedority> i don´t know exactly. install it and see what happens
[12:45] <Dr_willis> 'famous last words' :)
[12:45] <zedority> probably, but i´m hardly an expert on these matters
[12:50] <DarkTan> what is a good methor for running an IRC bot on my linux server?
[12:51] <DarkTan> method*
[12:51] <khalidmian> pls pls tell me how to upgarde kubuntu to jaunty
[12:51] <Dr_willis> Theres plenty of IRC bots out you can play with.
[12:52] <Dr_willis> !jaunty
[12:52] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  the fact you are asking that.. sort of implies that you proberly should NOT be  testing out jaunty.
[12:53] <DarkTan> well i currently have a (nearly) complete mIRC bot, but mIRC keeps crashing when i try to load the script
[12:54] <Dr_willis> You have a 'set of mirc scripts that work as a bot' - Vs a 'program written from the ground up to work as an IRC bot' :) in linux.
[12:55] <DarkTan> yes, currently
[12:55] <DarkTan> rught now i'm running it from windoze, but i want to run one from linux so i don't have to leave my laptop on all the time
[12:56] <kyru_> шалом
[12:57] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search irc | grep bot   ---> shows about 5 bots in the repos
[12:57] <Dr_willis> oops.. i mean about 15 :)
[12:57] <DarkTan> ok, what would i use to run them/edit them?
[12:58] <Dr_willis> use? they are packages  you install like you do any other program/package  under Ubuntu
[12:58] <Dr_willis> as for configuring them.. you would have to read their docs/homepage/guides
[13:00] <DarkTan> oh ok, so it's a completely stand alone program?
[13:00] <Dr_willis> there more then 1.. and they are 'stand alone programs' not  a complex-mess of events and 'scripts' for an irc client..
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Im sure irc-script-bots exist for Irssi and xchat - if you perfer that.
[13:01] <_ubuntu> I need assistance, please.  I downloaded Kubuntu 8.1, choose install under windows, rebooted, but all I get is DOS prompt "Grub>".
[13:01] <mni> hi riddel
[13:01] <DarkTan> i'll check the stand alones out first
[13:03] <Daniel> Does anyone know about installingKubuntu under Windows?
[13:03] <Dr_willis> installing 'under windows'   normally means  using 'wubi' it installs linux to a file that then some how gets booted.
[13:03] <Dr_willis> !wubi
[13:03] <khalidmian> Daniel: reboot into windows uninstall kubuntu rebbot again into windows reinstall kubuntu
[13:04] <Daniel> I tried a few times.
[13:04] <Dr_willis> I dident think WUBI used grub.. but i may be confused..
[13:04] <Daniel> Always the same results.
[13:04] <Dr_willis> I really cant 'reccomend' using wubi at all.
[13:04] <Daniel> I tried with the image I downloaded, as well as the CD I madee from the image.
[13:04] <khalidmian> Daniel: r u booting from kubuntu cd iso
[13:05] <Daniel> Right now I am using an old Kubuntu CD Live on a second PC.
[13:05] <Daniel> The PC with Kubuntu 8 is still on the grub dos prompt.
[13:05] <khalidmian> Daniel: r u booting from kubuntu cd iso? or instaaling it in windows via umenu
[13:06] <Dr_willis> Ok.. lets clear this up.. its NOT a 'grub dos' prompt.. its a GRUB prompt. :) dos has nothing to do with it.. Heh
[13:06] <khalidmian> lol
[13:06] <Daniel> I installed Kubuntu 8 by inserting the CD, and choosing "Install Under Windows" in autoplay.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> GRUB = boot loader. that has a command line interface also.. DOS = an Operating system. :)
[13:06] <Daniel> I apologize.  Grub prompt.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> Daniel,  thats using WUBI.   een tho they sort of hide the term Wubi.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> sounds like it miss-installed or did somthing goofy to the boot loader.. YOu boot - you see a menu (windows or linux) then you select Linux, and THEN it goes to grub and gives that error right?
[13:07] <Daniel> All I get when choosing Kubuntu under reboot is the grub prompt.
[13:08] <Dr_willis> The boot loader is some how messed up then.. and ive no idea how to fix that with WUBI.
[13:08] <khalidmian> Dr_willis: maybe hardware related like video card
[13:08] <Daniel> I reboot, choose "Kubuntu" and all I get is Grub prompt and message about tab key and other things.
[13:08] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  that wouldbe after the GRUB prompt.
[13:09] <Daniel> Grub for DOS 0,4,4
[13:09] <Dr_willis> The windopws part hands off booting to the GRUB stuff.. and aparently thats messed up.. and may be very hard to fix. since if you booted a live-cd - you would then have to figure out how to get To the WUBI installed linux.
[13:10] <Daniel> If I hit esc I get a menu.
[13:10] <Dr_willis> I would have much rather seen them include virtualbox on the CDs and help auto mate usiing that and ubuntu. Wubi can be such a pain,
[13:10] <khalidmian> Daniel: does cd in which u have kubuntu complete checksum when installing
[13:10] <Dr_willis> Daniel,  a menu that says what then?
[13:10] <Daniel> Yes it did.
[13:11] <Daniel> 5 items starting with "Find", Commandline, reboot, and halt.
[13:12] <Dr_willis> thats the grub commands/help. If you knew enough grub.. you could proberly figure out how to make it boot.. but   without actually being there..  its goind tobe hard to walk ya through it.. IM not even sure if its doable .  since ive never used WUBI
[13:12] <Daniel> Want me to type out the 5 items?
[13:12] <Dr_willis> wont do much good to me..   but i gues ya can.. someone else may have more experinece with wubi and how it uses grub
[13:13] <Daniel> I tried "Find /ubuntu/install/boot/grub/menu.lst" but nothing happens.
[13:13] <Daniel> Just goes back to the grub prompt.
[13:14] <Dr_willis> You would use    find  /boot/grub/stage1
[13:14] <Dr_willis> to tell you whhat hard drive it sees the linux files on
[13:14] <Daniel> I am rebooting the PC back to Windows XP.
[13:14] <Dr_willis> !fixgrub
[13:14] <Dr_willis> I would sugest doing a 'normal' isnstall of kubuntu - instead of a WUBI install - if you can
[13:15] <Daniel> I tried the boot command listed when I press "Tab" but it says something about kernel
[13:15] <firatk> türkçe  ubuntu
[13:15] <Daniel> I have 40GB free on a second hard drive, but not sure how that will effect what is on the hard drive.
[13:15] <jonny_> hello, i am new to ubuntu, why don't my NTFS HDD's start when i try to open em?, it says Unable to mount the harddrive
[13:15] <Dr_willis> Daniel,  yes.. its not going to walk ya throgh  the stuff.. its the GRUB command line interface.. and its very specific what its doing.  its Possible the urls above will show you the proper steps to boot te system
[13:16] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu can resize the hard drive to shrink it.. and make a partition  for ubuntu to install to
[13:16] <khalidmian> Dr_willis: plus point of wubi install is you can remve kubuntu under add/remove in windows no partitioning crap
[13:16] <firatk> türkçe
[13:16] <Daniel> I am off to research.  Thank you all for the assistance.
[13:16] <firatk> !tr
[13:17] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  - point is the huge hassle.
[13:17] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,   thats about the ONLY 'point' in favor of Wubi. :)
[13:20] <AmarokeN> i'm getting this error: $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0) Failed  to mount '/dev/sdb1': The operation is not supported Mount is denied becayse NTFS is marked to be in use.
[13:20] <khalidmian> i prefer wubi install that way i can mess around without worry
[13:21] <Dr_willis> I would much perfer a 'Virtualbox' install that way i can move the system to other machines without worry
  thats a common faq/item with NTFS filesystems.. You should reboot to windows. and have windows check the disk for errors and shut windows down properly. do NOT hibernate/suspend
[13:22] <AmarokeN> my Windows isn't booting anymore :S
[13:22] <AmarokeN> cause it crashed...now it can't find the Boot file on my cd
[13:23] <ur8up> does anyone know why when I go to adept managaer and search for minicom nothing shows up?
[13:24] <AmarokeN> and by the way, anyone able to help me run ".run-files" ?...i'm new to linux ( o rly? )
[13:25] <ur8up> i am new as well but what are you trying to run
[13:26] <AmarokeN> Nvidia nvidia-Linux-x86-180.11-pkg1.run
[13:26] <AmarokeN> Graphic card drivers
[13:26] <ur8up> on kubuntu
[13:27] <zedority> bleah. non-standard file formats.
[13:27] <AmarokeN> on ubuntu
[13:27] <AmarokeN> ;D
[13:27] <AmarokeN> oh!, Wrong channel, lol
[13:27] <ur8up> do you have the drivers
[13:31] <Dr_willis> Only use the nvidia.run installer AFTER you have tried the  "Hardware Drivers" icon/tool to try installing them first
[13:31] <ilham> hello. how to make good label in kubuntu
[13:31] <krlos> ryanakca, hi
[13:33] <Daniel> According to the website, it is supposed to install, reboot, continue install, then reboot again.
[13:34] <Daniel> Not continuing the install after first reboot.
[13:36] <ur8up> does anyone know why when I go to adept managaer and search for minicom nothing shows up?
[13:41] <Captain_Haddock> Hi
[13:42] <khalidmian> whilst running sudo apt-get update i get the fllowing : W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60487016493B3065 any suggestions?
[13:42] <Captain_Haddock> If apt reports that an upgrade is available.. how can I find out what changes I can expect from the update? Is there a command to view release notes of the update in particular?
[13:42] <Captain_Haddock> khalidmian: you will need to find the key... presumably from launchpad.net
[13:43] <Captain_Haddock> (and install it)
[13:46] <ur8up> does anyone know why when I go to adept managaer and search for minicom nothing shows up?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> weeee
[13:50] <shadeslayer> oops
[13:50] <shadeslayer> wrong chaanel
[13:50] <shadeslayer> *channel
[13:51] <davidsiu> anyone knows how to join #python channel? It refuses me to join and says "You need to be identified to join that channel"
[13:53] <Pici> !register | davidsiu you need to reg first
[13:57] <khalidmian> no key on launchpad
[13:58] <flathm> hey everyone... just wondering what the plan is for kde 4.2?  are there going to binaries today?
[13:59] <dario> hola
[13:59] <dario> a todos
[14:06] <appletree> hi2all
[14:07] <flathm> hey everyone... trying quassel for the first time.  I don't get it :).  What's a buffer?  And, I'm also trying to figure out how to hide join and part commands -- if I right click on the channel I can see a menu for hiding events but I can't enable any of the check boxes.  I also would like to hide certain events on all channel by default... anyone know how I can do this?
[14:09] <earle> Hullo folks, having just upgraded to 4.2 on Kubuntu, I'm not getting anything after logging in.
[14:09] <earle> As a test I created a new user, which does get further - but then kwin crashes.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> flathm, yes today is the official release date , however there no specified time of release
[14:10] <flathm> BluesKaj: cool... was just curious if it was likely we'd see packages today or not
[14:10] <earle> Ah. Maybe it's my fault for using the experimental release >_<
[14:10] <BluesKaj> earle , I just did the update as well, konq is still baeta
[14:10] <BluesKaj> err beta
[14:10] <ct529> hi there!
[14:11] <earle> BluesKaj: I'd love it if I could even log in to try Konq at all!
[14:11] <earle> :)
[14:11] <ct529> I need to search a package that is not installed and offers a certain file (glu.h) .... how do I perform this search?
[14:11] <earle> since a new user gets further I suspect something is screwed in my dotfiles, but I don't know how to work around that.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> did upgrade Xorg at all lately , earle ?
[14:12] <earle> not as far as I'm aware, unless something came in from experimental just now
[14:12] <earle> hold on, going to try dpkg-reconfigure
[14:13] <flathm> ct529: you can always use packages.ubuntu.com -- you can do it from the command line but it's much slower
[14:13] <BluesKaj> flathm , goodluck with quassel , the core contains your profile info including chosen identities, servers and nicks etc
[14:13] <ct529> flathm: thanks
[14:13] <ct529> flathm: what is the command line anyway?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> I found quassel kinda clunky , flathm...wasn't impressed with their logic ::)
[14:15] <flathm> BluesKaj: yeah I'm trying it out for the first time right now.  I don't get it at all... buffers, what?  I can't figure out how to do simple things.  I like the out of the box thinking, but it needs some polish that's for sure :)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> earle , that's whay I dumped the experimental ppa source
[14:15] <flathm> BluesKaj: what do you use?
[14:15] <earle> BluesKaj: yeah. Looks like I should do the same and just wait for the official 4.2.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> flathm , it has possibilities , but simple it ain't right now ;)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> I use Konverstion
[14:17] <BluesKaj> the buffers are just server pages afaik
[14:19] <earle> Where does kdm log errors to usually?
[14:19] <flathm> BluesKaj: it's too bad konversation hasn't gone kde4 yet
[14:19] <earle> oh duh, /var/log/kdm.log
[14:20] <earle> hmm, that wasn't too illuminating.
[14:21] <earle> okay, looks like I'm going to have to sit this one out.
[14:21] <BluesKaj> flathm , I don't find kde3.5 a hinderance anyway ...been using kde4.2 beta just get myself accustomed to it but I would have been just as happy to retain kde3.whatever ..not a big fan of widgetry and razzmatazz graphics .
[14:21]  * earle turns off kubuntu-experimental
[14:22] <BluesKaj> # ! :)
[14:28] <william_> I'm fairly new to kubuntu but was wondering how long it takes for new kde packages to appear
[14:28] <william_> ie, kde 4.2
[14:29] <JohnFlux> william_: well there is a new release every 6 months
[14:29] <robin0800> william_: somone said 18:00 UTC
[14:30] <william_> oh cool
[14:30] <william_> I'll check back later
[14:30] <william_> is UTC like GMT?
[14:30] <robin0800> william_: at the moment
[14:52] <mot_> hey, when will 4.2 be in the repos?
[14:55] <runpain2> Is there a way to use yahoo msnger games in ubuntu my wife and her daughter Who lives in wisconsin like to play litria with each other and talk they are both handicapped i tried to install rh9.ymessenger-1.0.4-1.i386.rpm but the dependacys are not with ubuntu only red hat 9
[14:56] <bittin__> runpain2: u can chat and stuff with Pidgin
[14:56] <bittin__> don't know any way to get the Yahooo games to work tough :(
[14:58] <doktoreas> hello everybody..how can I remove the window that appear if I move the mouse over the app in the pannel?
[14:58] <onofrio> press ALT+F7
[14:58] <sonic_> runpain2: you should be using kopete or pidgin for ubuntu.  if you have kubuntu you already have kopete.  use that.  rpms are not for ubuntu.
[14:58] <HappySmileMan> runpain2: http://download.yahoo.com/dl/unix/ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb appears to be a DEB file for it
[14:58] <HappySmileMan> Very old though
[14:59] <HappySmileMan> So may not work with newer Kubuntu versions
[14:59] <sonic_> oh I see.  the games issue.  not sure on that
[15:00] <bittin-> been using to much Gnome lately Kopete is pretty better
[15:01] <bittin-> or as HappySmileMan saied use the deb if you only need Yahoo
[15:01] <cq> is there any way to allow me to cross the virtual desktos with th emouse?
[15:01] <cq> i.e. at the edge of the screen, go to the next desktop
[15:06] <sonic_> has anyone tried the kde-nightly packages from the neon project yet?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> sonic_ , is that an 'experimental ppa' source ?
[15:09] <sonic_> BluesKaj: yes. Ive been using the amarok-nightly packages for a few weeks and they install to a seperate location so I can fall back to amorok 1.4 if I like.  Im wondering if the kde packages are the same way
[15:10] <gorgonzola> hello. i'm planning on reinstalling my system from scratch, and i want to change the layout of the disks and susbsystems to ease format and reinstall cycles...
[15:10] <aapzak> good idea
[15:11] <BluesKaj> sonic_ , ok I dumped amarok nightly source..tried it for a bit
[15:11] <gorgonzola> This has always been my personal box, but increasingly it is runnning some servics like a webeserver and stuff, and i want to know should it be done to keep some of the server infraestructure intact after a system reinstall. (ie, like keeping a separate /home partition, but for services and db).
[15:12] <gorgonzola> any advice is welcomed!
[15:12] <gorgonzola> thx
[15:12] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, sounds to me like you've already got it figured out properly :)
[15:13] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj, well, no :P
[15:13] <aapzak> gorgonzola: I have a simple setup: /home as seperate (huge) partition. In home I put my websites, my file/ftpserver content and much more.
[15:13] <gorgonzola> BLuesKaj i now that you can have a separate /home partition, but how would you do it to keep the dbs in the mysql server separate too, for example?
[15:13] <aapzak> I have an user railsapps with own dir. In this dir are all rails related configs and sites
[15:13] <gorgonzola> aapzak: you don't use /var and /srv at all?
[15:14] <aapzak> gorgonzola: no, too much hassle
[15:14] <BluesKaj> a seperate home / , partiton is ok , but I'm not running any other services. I tried it but never saw any advantages to it
[15:15] <gorgonzola> aapzak BluesKaj: well, i kinda guessed that there was some sort of "good practices" on server configuration to follow...
[15:15] <aapzak> gorgonzola: could be, I'm not aware of such document :)
[15:15] <aapzak> what I did works good for me
[15:16] <aapzak> on my work laptop I also have a seperate /opt
[15:16] <aapzak> because of the apps installed there
[15:16] <gorgonzola> what's opt for?
[15:16] <gorgonzola> i haver never quite grasped the FSH...
[15:17] <aapzak> mostly complete apps which don't integrate with the OS
[15:17] <aapzak> big unix based software packages usually install in /opt
[15:17] <gorgonzola> aapzak and do you know where does mysql save its db?
[15:18] <aapzak> probably somewhere in /var/
[15:18] <aapzak> I'm sure someone else here knows
[15:19] <aapzak> check your mysqld config in /etc, I can imagine it holds a db path
[15:20] <blahjake>  /var/lib/mysql/mysql here
[15:20] <aapzak> grep -irn datadir /etc/mysql/
[15:20] <blahjake> er, just one mysql
[15:21] <gorgonzola> great.
[15:21] <gorgonzola> and do yuo guys know if i can just plug that dir into a mysql server install?
[15:22] <aapzak> not at all :)
[15:22] <gorgonzola> i'm considering letting /var and /srv as separate partitions... but wanted to know if this sounds reasonable...
[15:22] <aapzak> I don't know how much garbage you're keeping if you do that
[15:22] <aapzak> I like to format as much as possible when I install
[15:22] <gorgonzola> (wait, that should have been leaving, right? non native speaker here :P)
[15:23] <gorgonzola> yeah, maybe a post install script to set up services from a dedicated "backup" dir would b best.
[15:24] <gorgonzola> well, thanks for the tips anyway :)
[15:24] <aapzak> I'm not aware of giving any useful info :) but np
[15:26] <runpain2> Thanks HappySmileMan Will give that a try
[15:38] <Makuseru> What package do i need for Amarok to play .wma's?
[15:39] <Tm_T> !mp3 | Makuseru
[15:41] <fix_> can anybody help me???
[15:41] <Makuseru> Tm_T: not MP3's.
[15:41] <Tm_T> Makuseru: see those urls
[15:42] <Tm_T> Makuseru: it all should be exlpained there
[15:42] <fix_> what's the best mp3 player application for linux??
[15:42] <Tm_T> fix_: Amarok ofcourse
[15:42] <Makuseru> Tm_T: No, those URLs have no info on WMA;s.
[15:42] <fix_> but it can't play mp3's file
[15:42] <Tm_T> Makuseru: should, weird if not
[15:42] <Tm_T> fix_: can
[15:43] <Tm_T> !mp3 | fix_
[15:43] <Tm_T> !wma
[15:43] <Tm_T> aye, it's there
[15:43] <fix_> thanks...
[15:44] <lakis1982> hello.. i had read that kde 4.2 would be available today at 27 january ... has it been released ??
[15:45] <Tm_T> lakis1982: will be released soon
[15:45] <lakis1982> you mean soon today??
[15:46] <Tm_T> yes, if there's no last minute issues coming
[15:46] <lakis1982> ok
[15:48] <Tm_T> Makuseru: anyway, as prolly mentioned in those pages ubottu mentioned, to play wma and others you need w32codecs or similar package
[15:48] <runpain2> still cant install HappySmileMan dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger
[15:48] <fix_> what's the best apps to convert mp3 to ogg format
[15:49] <fix_> for linux of course
[15:50] <mefisto_> fix_: best in what way? easy? good quality result? fast? etc
[15:50] <fix_> all of it...
[15:50] <shadeslayer> when is KDE gonna be released today??
[15:50] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: when ready (:
[15:50] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:50] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: one cannot see the future
[15:50] <Tm_T> (or won't tell)
[15:50] <shadeslayer> no idea then??
[15:51] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:51] <Tm_T> I have idea, but it's irrelevant, it's coming
[15:51] <mefisto_> fix_: if there was one way, better in every way, there would be only one way
[15:51] <shadeslayer> WTH ill sleep then
[15:51] <shadeslayer> update tommorow
[15:51] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: no cursing here son
[15:52] <fix_> good quality result
[15:52] <shadeslayer> even thats not allowed??
[15:52] <shadeslayer> :O
[15:52] <mefisto_> fix_: you can try audacity, ffmpeg (command line), vlc for a start, and see what's best for you
[15:52] <aapzak> Tm	ZSFWE
[15:52] <shadeslayer> ok ill rephrase
[15:52] <shadeslayer> ill  sleep then
[15:52] <shadeslayer> update tomorrow
[15:53] <fix_> can you tell me the step??? one by one... i'm new in linux....
[15:53] <aapzak> I am very happy to read people are working on it. Getting 4.2 from your distro today would be very very quick
[15:53] <shadeslayer> fix_, VLC from adept
[15:53] <shadeslayer> or in terminal
[15:53] <mefisto_> fix_: if you're not comfortable yet in linux and want to just get it done, I'd use vlc.
[15:54] <fix_> download???
[15:54] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get install VLC
[15:54] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: vlc
[15:54] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:54] <rafaelbreyer> Hi
[15:54] <shadeslayer> sorry
[15:54] <mefisto_> fix_: start konsole, and type this to install vlc: sudo apt-get install vlc (not uppercase!)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> fix_, Alt+F2
[15:54] <shadeslayer> type konsole
[15:55] <rafaelbreyer> speak portuguese ???
[15:55] <shadeslayer> then steps above
[15:55] <mefisto_> rafaelbreyer | !pt
[15:55] <rafaelbreyer> yes - si - sim
[15:55] <mefisto_> oops
[15:55] <shadeslayer> sorry for the caps
[15:55] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:55] <mefisto_> !pt | rafaelbreyer
[15:55] <rafaelbreyer> lol :)
[15:55] <Tm_T> mefisto_: silly
[15:56] <rafaelbreyer> thanks
[15:56] <ur8up> looking for assitance with minicom on kubuntu
[15:57] <shadeslayer> fix_, done??
[15:58] <fix_> have some prob with the konsole...
[15:58] <fix_> i use password.
[15:58] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:58] <fix_> but, when i want to enter the password, it's as if didn't respond
[15:59] <shadeslayer> its supposed to hide it
[15:59] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:59] <shadeslayer> its safer
[15:59] <shadeslayer> just enter the password
[15:59] <mefisto_> fix_: type your password and hit enter, you won't see anything as you type
[15:59] <shadeslayer> hit enter
[15:59] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:59] <fix_> hahaha
[15:59] <DaSkreech> fix_: It is so someone doesn't stand behind you with a paper and write it down :-)
[16:00] <shadeslayer> i thought that my keyboard had stopped working the first time i used it lol
[16:00] <shadeslayer> its just a security measure
[16:00] <mefisto_> also, it's easier than hiding passwords with ***
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:01] <shadeslayer> have to write two more lines of code to execute that
[16:01] <shadeslayer> lesser code=more performance
[16:01] <shadeslayer> in most cases
[16:01] <fix_> broken packages...
[16:01] <mefisto_> and less bugs
[16:01] <shadeslayer> fix_, Broken??
[16:02] <michaelfavia> what is the wireless network manager in kde4.2?
[16:02] <michaelfavia> how do i get connectivity in a kde 4.2 session?
[16:02] <HavocXphere> michaelfavia: knetworkmanager
[16:02] <fix_> yup. it has unmet dependencies
[16:02] <michaelfavia> HavocXphere, thanks ill make sure i have it installed
[16:02] <blahjake> amount of code is not a good metric for performance at all
[16:02] <mefisto_> fix_: type sudo apt-get update     then try it again
[16:02] <shadeslayer> blahjake, in MOST cases
[16:02] <michaelfavia> installed kde-nightly for 4.2 but no management tools are apprently deps
[16:03] <michaelfavia> HavocXphere, any other suggestions for tools i should have installed to give kde4.2 a fair trial?
[16:03] <fix_> :)
[16:03] <DaSkreech> michaelfavia: knetworkmanager is currently in flux. It has missed the 4.2 relelase but will be available in a 4.2 package once ready
[16:04] <shadeslayer> 'in flux' lol
[16:04] <michaelfavia> DaSkreech, it seems available in my repos.. its that the version for 4.1?
[16:04]  * michaelfavia checks
[16:04] <DaSkreech> michaelfavia: There was none for 4.1 There was one for KDE3
[16:04] <fix_> :( same....
[16:05] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech, any idea when KDE 4.2 is released
[16:05] <michaelfavia> DaSkreech, how can i control my wireless card in 4.2?
[16:05] <DaSkreech> In about an hour
[16:05] <shadeslayer> today
[16:05] <michaelfavia> what is the suggested method?
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Oh woow
[16:05] <shadeslayer> good
[16:05] <shadeslayer> then ill stay awake
[16:05] <fix_> some index files failed to download
[16:05]  * shadeslayer grabs the coffee 
[16:05] <DaSkreech> michaelfavia: You can use the KDE3 one but it hasn't been updated to take advantage of the new NEtworkManager 7
[16:05] <fix_> need to go...
[16:06] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: That's the official announcement I'm not sure when Kubuntu will have packages ready
[16:06] <fix_> teach me again tomorrow...
[16:06] <DaSkreech> fix_: Alright :)
[16:06] <michaelfavia> DaSkreech, i have enabled the PPA for kde-nightly what is my best option here?
[16:06] <DaSkreech> michaelfavia: Umm one moment
[16:06] <mefisto_> is multiverse enabled in a new intrepid install?
[16:06] <michaelfavia> DaSkreech, thx
[16:07] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:08] <runpain2> libssl0.9.6 is missing
[16:13] <mefisto_> why is vlc now in multiverse anyway? multiverse means it's considered "non-free" right?
[16:17] <DaSkreech> michaelfavia: http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-refreshed-look-for-kde.html
[16:17] <DaSkreech> michaelfavia: Still looking for an unofficial deb for it
[16:17] <shadeslayer> mefisto_, maybe theyre trying to make money
[16:17] <DaSkreech> mefisto_: It's not free
[16:18] <shadeslayer> global depression ^^
[16:18] <shadeslayer> brb
[16:20] <mefisto_> DaSkreech: since when? their website still claims it is free and open source, and it used to be in universe
[16:20] <DaSkreech> Right but they ship with some codecs that can be easily considered non free
[16:22] <xiong> hi
[16:23] <mefisto_> DaSkreech: so it must be legal caution, since it used to be in universe
[16:24] <xiong_> hi
[16:25] <ur8up> my adept manager doesn't show minicom.  How can I get it installed on my kubuntu?
[16:26] <doktoreas> hello everybody..how can I remove the window that appear if I move the mouse over the app in the pannel?
[16:26] <DaSkreech> mefisto_: Right
[16:26] <xiong_> doktoreas: i, too, find that feature unnecessary and annoying
[16:27] <wesley_> Guys why is the cam option missing in kde4.2 ?
[16:27] <doktoreas> I am searching in the option but nothing :(
[16:27] <mefisto_> doktoreas: you could lock the widgets on the desktop so they can't be moved
[16:27] <wesley_> Because i cant find the cam options in kde4.2
[16:28] <mefisto_> doktoreas: sorry, forget what I said. I misunderstood you
[16:28] <doktoreas> np mefisto_
[16:30] <sabino> hy
[16:30] <xiong_> so, yesterday it was recommended i downgrade my P3 to 8.04
[16:31] <xiong_> trouble being, i have no idea how to -- all roads lead up
[16:34] <DaSkreech> doktoreas: I think in appearnce in settings
[16:34] <DaSkreech> May be wrong
[16:35] <alonea> no 4.2 packages yet?
[16:35] <Tm_T> alonea: it's not released yet
[16:35] <alonea> thought it came out today
[16:35] <cuznt> 4.2 rc1
[16:35] <Tm_T> it will come out today
[16:35] <Frederick> folks anyone else realised pages look strange in firefox 3.0 on last kubuntu for 64 bits?
[16:36] <alonea> Tm_T: ^_^. good! probably wont see packages till much later today, if at all?
[16:37] <Tm_T> alonea: some hours later from release perhaps
[16:37] <alonea> cuznt: KDE 4.2.0 will be released on January 27th
[16:37]  * alonea bounces up and down excitedly
[16:38] <neothecat> alonea:  it's jan 27th.  i am giddy like a little school girl.
[16:39] <alonea> neothecat: me too! I will be a refreshing the kde.org page constantly for their official announcement
[16:39] <vonkleist> ummmfff... I think it's a bad day to have kontact 4.2 crashing when openning an imap folder... :S
[16:40] <michaelfavia> DaSkreech, thx im trying that out now
[16:40] <alonea> hey DaSkreech
[16:40] <neothecat> vonkleist: 4.2 GA or 4.2 RC2? i have RC2 and there is some screwy kontact things going on, that i hope is fixed in GA
[16:40] <vonkleist> rc2
[16:41] <neothecat> vonkleist: good, then may GA will fix it :)
[16:41] <alonea> well, I will check back later. Got to go for now.
[16:42] <vonkleist> I hope! I'm back with thunderbird... :S
[16:42] <Frederick> Folks does anyone here here uses nvidia drivers? cause I cant set frequency of monuitor higher than 50hz
[16:42] <neothecat> vonkleist: it's been stable enough for me to use at work, but if GA is still buggy, i will go back to thunderbird.
[16:43] <neothecat> does anybody know any good public calendar sites that synch natively with kalendar, with needing gcaldaemon?
[16:43] <DaSkreech> Hi Alonea
[16:44] <DaSkreech> GA?
[16:50] <wesley_> amsn-0.97.2-1.tcl85.x86.package how do i install that ?
[16:53] <stdin> wesley_: 0.97.2 is already in the archives for intrepid
[16:54] <DaSkreech> wesley_: are you on Ibex?
[16:55] <wesley_> yes but cam works not that well
[16:56] <wesley_> cant set the brightness right
[16:56] <DaSkreech> What version of Amsn do you have installed?
[16:57] <wesley_> 0.97.2
[16:57] <wesley_> in kopete the brightness is right
[17:00] <JackWinter> what are everyone using for extending or getting full functionality from logitech kb and mice ?  tried a hidpoint, which works pretty well for my wave kb, but it doesn't find mx evolution..
[17:01] <leandro> holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[17:02] <DaSkreech> wesley_: So why reinstall?
[17:02] <leandro> quueeeeeeeeeeeee
[17:03] <wesley_> maby then it would work, how do you think the ladys think, when my cam doesnt work
[17:03] <JackWinter> leandro: | es
[17:04] <stdin> !es | leandro
[17:04] <JackWinter> grumble new kb :)
[17:04] <JackWinter> aha, that"s it :)
[17:05] <ct529> in my installation the variable BROWSER is not set .... that is strange .... is ther e a way to set this variable on installtion?
[17:05] <wesley_> So why is it that the cam option is missing in kopete in kde4.2 ?
[17:06] <stdin> ct529: it's no strange, it's not normally set or needed
[17:06] <stdin> ct529: you can add it to your ~/.bashrc or to /etc/environment
[17:06] <ct529> stdin: in what sense? many application call it using that variable.
[17:06] <zicada> do we have an ETA on availability of 4.2 final .deb's ?
[17:06] <DaSkreech> wesley_: Technically it should work. You can grab the souce and look at it. Shouldn't be too hard
[17:07] <stdin> ct529: and standard app should call x-www-browser
[17:07] <DaSkreech> zicada: A few hours for Ibex
[17:07] <tarimari> guys i saw somewhere a krandrtray tool with gamma. what version is that, and where ican find it?
[17:07] <stdin> ct529: or xdg-open
[17:07] <zicada> DaSkreech: thanks
[17:07] <ct529> stdin: standard in what sense?
[17:07] <wesley_> DaSkreech from amsn or kopete ?
[17:08] <DaSkreech> Kopete
[17:08] <DaSkreech> I haven't used MSN in years
[17:08] <DaSkreech> Last time I installed Amsn was so my brothers girlfriend didn't freak out
[17:08] <DaSkreech> And he moved out 6 years ago
[17:09] <stdin> ct529: x-www-browser is LSB compliant afaik, and xdg-open is freedesktop.org standard (Portland project)
[17:09] <wesley_> Ow, in kde4.1 theres the cam, but yeah all doesnt work that well, amsn work but cam not that good
[17:09] <ct529> stdin: those are hardly standard universally adopted I dare say .... anyway, I have added the variable .... thanks!
[17:10] <stdin> heh, well BROWSER is non-standard either
[17:10] <DaSkreech> wesley_: Which version of lbmsn do you have?
[17:11] <wesley_> how can i check that ?
[17:11] <cjae> how do I make konversation use the system speaker for alerts?
[17:12] <DaSkreech> apt-cache policy libmsn0.1
[17:14] <darkwizard> У меня вопрос: почему я добавляю репы типо:
[17:14] <darkwizard> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt intrepid main #WineHQ - Ubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid Ibex"
[17:14] <darkwizard> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian intrepid non-free
[17:14] <darkwizard> (и многие другие)
[17:14] <darkwizard> , но ничего не происходит, то есть обновления не приходят, хотя неоднократно вызывал apt-get update/upgrade.
[17:14] <stdin> !ru
[17:15] <TFrog> quick question.  i've seen an 8.04.2 release for Ubuntu but don't see any image downloads for Kubuntu 8.04.2.  i'd like to have a backup OS disc in case of a fatal HD crash.  anyone know a link to the disc image for Kubuntu 8.04.2?
[17:16] <stdin> TFrog: there is no 8.04.2 for Kubuntu
[17:16] <TFrog> ty stdin.  not sure why there isn't but thanks
[17:16] <ubuntu__> !LIST
[17:16] <DaSkreech> stdin: Any reason?
[17:16] <ubuntu__> HI
[17:16] <stdin> because Kubuntu is not LTS
[17:17] <ubuntu__> !list
[17:17] <stdin> there technically shouldn't have been an 8.04.1
[17:18] <wesley_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/110357/
[17:21] <wesley_> yeah i found a really pretty lady
[17:21] <DaSkreech> stdin: Duh :)
[17:22] <wesley_> Now get the cam working
[17:22] <wesley_> Think i will downgrade kopete
[17:23] <neothecat> does anybody know an equilivant to "foxmarks" for konqueror, if if there is a way to use foxmarks in konqueror?
[17:23] <wesley_> i think i would need to downgrade libmsn to then
[17:24] <DaSkreech> wesley_: shuldn't need to you need the latest one to connect to MSN at all
[17:25] <firatk> !tr
[17:25] <wesley_> DaSkreech don´t know, i though to
[17:26] <wesley_> Its the second time the cam would work when a lady wanted to cam, first time was a ugly one, this one is a pretty one
[17:27] <DaSkreech> Congrats
[17:28] <TraceRoute> didn't kde4.2 release today?
[17:28] <wesley_> Thanks, but whats irritating, that i find bugs when i don´t want them, and i don´t find them when i am bored
[17:28] <DaSkreech> TraceRoute: No
[17:28] <urnthr> TraceRoute: yeah it's on FTP
[17:29] <urnthr> question is, when can we get it on apt?
[17:29] <wesley_> On site they say today
[17:29] <Tm_T> urnthr: that isn't same as release
[17:29] <TraceRoute> urnthr good question
[17:29] <Tm_T> it's not releasend until it's in kde.org
[17:29] <Tm_T> TraceRoute: urnthr: it will be told in kubuntu.org when it's available
[17:29] <urnthr> ok:/
[17:30] <wesley_> trunk is already 4.3 and konqueror got now close buttons on the tab like firefox
[17:30] <Tm_T> wesley_: not mine
[17:30] <urnthr> http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/kde/stable/4.2.0/
[17:30] <Tm_T> urnthr: that is not same as release, son
[17:31] <urnthr> i spose
[17:31] <Tm_T> 1929.22 < Tm_T> it's not releasend until it's in kde.or
[17:31] <Tm_T> g (:)
[17:32] <TraceRoute> Well they better chop chop thats all im saying
[17:32] <TraceRoute> I been patient enough
[17:33] <Tm_T> TraceRoute: no we don't chop at anything
[17:38] <EversW> Hey, hi everyone, greetings from spin
[17:38] <EversW> i mean, spain
[17:43] <mot___> hey when will 4.2 be in the repos?
[17:43] <Tm_T> when ready
[17:44] <david_> anyone here play nexuiz?
[17:44] <DaSkreech> KDE 4.2 is released!
[17:45] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: was 10 minutes ago already (:
[17:45] <david_> DaSkreech:  you play?
[17:46] <DaSkreech> Used to
[17:46] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: now waiting kubuntu packages to get it to topic <3
[17:46] <DaSkreech> Yep :)
[17:46] <david_> DaSkreech:  so cant ply on kubuntu?
[17:46] <DaSkreech> david_: You can
[17:46] <DaSkreech> !info nexuiz
[17:47] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Had to send some people to bed. They were buzzed about the release
[17:47] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: heh
[17:48] <wesley_> yeah its released
[17:48] <ward_> are there kubuntu packagaes avaible for 4.2 ?
[17:48] <david_> ubottu: how do i get the package?
[17:49] <david_> DaSkreech: DO YOU KNOW HOW TO GET IT AND INSTALL IT?
[17:49] <david_> sry caps
[17:49] <mefisto_> david_: sudo apt-get install nexuiz
[17:50] <mefisto_> or search for it in adept
[17:50] <david_> mefisto_: ty
[17:50] <carpii> can someone remind me how to extend my taskbar across two monitors please
[17:51] <jon_high9000> I am running KDE 4.1 (Kubuntu 8.10). I have tried to install KDM themes with no luck. can anyone help?
[17:51] <DaSkreech> carpii: I'm trying to rmember if that's possible in KDE4
[17:51] <carpii> ah im using kde 3.5 :)
[17:52] <william_> is there a link to installing kde 4.2 on kubuntu?
[17:52] <carpii> i tried kde 4 earlier, and thats why ive spent today reformatting :/
[17:52] <DaSkreech> william_: When it happens it will be in the topic
[17:52] <ward_> how can I upgrade ? on the kubuntu page it says it should be avaible in experimental
[17:52] <ward_> but updating doesn't give me that packages
[17:52] <ward_> 8.10 btw :)
[17:54] <ward_> sudo apt-cache search kde4.2
[17:54] <ward_> libsmokekde4-2-dev - SMOKE Binding Library to KDE 4 - Development Files
[17:54] <ward_> libsmokekde4-2 - SMOKE Binding Library to KDE 4
[17:54] <tarimari> http://kde.org/announcements/4.2/index.php
[17:54] <zicada> rejoice!
[17:56] <OxDeadC0de> Party time!
[17:56] <tarimari> yuhuuuuuuuuuu
[17:57] <carpii> is there a fix to stop kde 3.5 leaving trails when dragging icons ?
[17:57] <alonea> yay! its here
[17:58] <astratto> will kde4.2 be into intrepid repos? kubuntu.org says it'll be available in the kubuntu-experimental PPA
[17:58] <DaSkreech> alonea: Whooot!
[17:58] <DaSkreech> astratto: Yes it iwll be
[17:59] <DaSkreech> Should be in Jacalope already
[17:59] <astratto> DaSkreech: yes in jaunty yes. so it'll stay for some time in experimental and then in proposed?
[18:00] <EversW> i had it installed from experimental repos on plain ubuntu
[18:00] <EversW> actually, i have 4.2 rc running
[18:00] <DaSkreech> astratto: Will always be experiemental for Ibex. No major upgrades during a release unless there is a major security issue
[18:00] <OxDeadC0de> I use 4.2rc and 4.2 nightly
[18:00] <astratto> DaSkreech: ah ok, so it'll stay in kubuntu-experimental. thank you
[18:01] <DaSkreech> OxDeadC0de: There is a 4.2 nightly ?
[18:01] <OxDeadC0de> DaSkreech, same repo that 4.2rc1 is in
[18:01] <EversW> yep, 4.2 nightly has the google widget support for plasma
[18:01] <DaSkreech> I didn't know there was a 4.2 nightly
[18:01] <OxDeadC0de> :) it's really nice, lots of bug fix's in the api
[18:01] <EversW> is on the project neon repository
[18:02] <OxDeadC0de> even since rc1
[18:02] <DaSkreech> I thought that was nightly
[18:02] <DaSkreech> not 4.2 nightly
[18:02] <DaSkreech> So technically now it's 4.3 nightly
[18:02] <OxDeadC0de> is it trunk?
[18:02] <alonea> DaSkreech: when will it be in our repos you think? later today or tomorrow?
[18:02] <DaSkreech> today
[18:02] <DaSkreech> It's in Jackalope already should need some polish for Ibex then go
[18:02] <OxDeadC0de> hmm brb
[18:03] <EversW> i guess we'll be reloading adept the rest of the day, hehe
[18:05] <alonea> DaSkreech: what is jackalope?
[18:05] <DaSkreech> alonea: kubuntu+1
[18:05] <DaSkreech> EversW: The Topic will change when it happens
[18:05] <EversW> oh, great, thanks ;-)
[18:05] <tyler_d1> I would like to have a toolbar on my other monitor that shows the windows that are there
[18:05] <EversW> i'm in tune also on the planets and the kubuntu site :-P
[18:05] <shadeslayer> its out,its out!!!
[18:05] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.2 is out
[18:05] <alonea> shadeslayer: yes!
[18:05] <EversW> oh yeah
[18:05] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:05] <EversW> btw, i'm running it right now on a netbook (advent 4211)
[18:05] <shadeslayer> how late am i
[18:05] <alonea> shadeslayer: but our repos wont have them quite yet. later today
[18:05] <mefisto_> wow! those videos are very good. I felt like standing to applaud by the end.
[18:06] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:06] <DaSkreech> - kde4 has left this server
[18:06] <DaSkreech> :-(
[18:07] <shadeslayer> so excited
[18:07] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:07] <zicada> is Jaunty usable at all at this point ?
[18:07] <zicada> i havent tested it yet
[18:08] <DaSkreech> zicada: In general Ubuntu+1 stuff is pretty horrible until at least beta normally I wait till beta 2 before jumping in
[18:08] <DaSkreech> they break a lot of stuff
[18:08] <shadeslayer> watching the video on my 128kbps connection
[18:08] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:08] <zicada> aaight
[18:09] <shadeslayer> hehe they added 'the arrow'
[18:09] <shadeslayer> to hide the apps in the taskbar
[18:09] <EversW> yeah, i always install the new version when beta hits, i've being doing that since 5.04
[18:09] <OxDeadC0de> I'm not so sure it's nightly is kde trunk, I know of a particular bug that was fixed two days ago that's not fixed in my nightly, and no updates available
[18:09] <OxDeadC0de> that hasn't been backported yet
[18:09] <DaSkreech> ok
[18:10] <OxDeadC0de> unless someone's slacking ;)
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ooh drag and drop widgets
[18:11] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:12] <mefisto_> kde 4.2 should be codenamed "that's more like it"
[18:13] <OxDeadC0de> or "Hoozah"
[18:14] <_mofux> hi guys
[18:14] <DaSkreech> mefisto_: The Answer works well
[18:14] <_mofux> when will 4.2 hit the repository? :P
[18:14] <OxDeadC0de> hi _mofux :P, nice to see you here
[18:14] <_mofux> heh, hi :)
[18:14] <OxDeadC0de> article says later today
[18:14] <OxDeadC0de> and you should realllly check out the new changes ;) got (almost) everything, 3 "major" things left to do
[18:15] <mot___> hey when will 4.2 be in the repos?
[18:15] <mot___> oh
[18:15] <OxDeadC0de> er, not today, but later soon even
[18:15]  * doktoreas think that somoene should update the topic :D
[18:15] <OxDeadC0de> maybe today
[18:15] <mot___> any word on the issues with nvidia cards being resolved/worked around?
[18:15] <EversW> yeah, update it or you'll get the same question over and over again
[18:15] <what_if> can I not install kde 3.x in kubuntu 8.10 ?
[18:16] <OxDeadC0de> mot__ just use compiz instead until then?
[18:16] <OxDeadC0de> mot__ if you're talking about the performance issues that is..
[18:18] <mot___> OxDeadC0de, what does compiz do to solve the issue?
[18:18] <OxDeadC0de> mot___ what's the issue? if it's performance, compiz is fast..
[18:18] <mot___> um
[18:18] <Tm_T> OxDeadC0de: doesn't mean it's faster than Kwin
[18:18] <mot___> are you familiar with the huge, gaping speed issues with KDE4 and newer nvidia cards?
[18:19] <OxDeadC0de> Tm_T it is way faster than kwin for me
[18:19] <mot___> what card do you have?
[18:19] <Tm_T> OxDeadC0de: and other way round here
[18:19] <OxDeadC0de> nvidia 6150-go
[18:19] <mot___> hmm
[18:19] <OxDeadC0de> geforce fx.
[18:19] <mot___> the issues mostly affect the 7/8/9 series
[18:19] <michaelfavia> how do you enable gtk-qt-engine in kde4.2?
[18:19] <michaelfavia> id like my gtk apps like firefox to look better
[18:20] <Tm_T> mot___: issues are related to old drivers, 180-series should fix those
[18:20] <mot___> michaelfavia, go to system settings -> appearance
[18:20] <OxDeadC0de> 120fps idle with ~60fps durring an effect compared to ~70ish fps to <=30 fps durring an effect (this is without any vsync)
[18:20] <michaelfavia> mot im there
[18:20] <michaelfavia> mot,
[18:20] <mot___> Tm_T, the 180 series is garbage thus far
[18:20] <OxDeadC0de> vrate is 60
[18:20] <mot___> 180.22 has created more problems than fixed.
[18:20] <michaelfavia> but i dont see the option
[18:20] <michaelfavia> do i need to restart?
[18:20] <OxDeadC0de> tm_t I use beta drivers
[18:20] <mot___> michaelfavia, did you install the package?
[18:20] <Tm_T> mot___: interesting, fixed a lot here
[18:21] <OxDeadC0de> that's not completely "fixed" but the situation is better
[18:21] <michaelfavia> mot___,  yes. but i havent restarted my session
[18:21] <OxDeadC0de> they're*
[18:21] <michaelfavia> should i have to?
[18:21] <mot___> Tm_T, i'm using the 9600M GT drivers...nvidia has largely ignored mobile users.
[18:21] <mefisto_> michaelfavia: just log out and log back in
[18:21] <Tm_T> mot___: ah, true
[18:21] <michaelfavia> mefisto_, roger
[18:21] <mot___> michaelfavia, no, close the settings and check back again to see if the extension was installed...or log out and back in
[18:21] <michaelfavia> brb
[18:21] <Brad777> Hello all... I am having a problem with the Nvidia GEFORCE 9800GTX+ after i tried to install the 180.22 drivers my xserver got messed up and now I can't get past simple graphics mode
[18:21] <michaelfavia> thx mot___  and mefisto_
[18:21] <mot___> Tm_T, heh..so, i dropped 2 grand on a brand new laptop only to have a 4 year old machine with a 64mb graphics card run faster.
[18:22] <mot___> Brad777, edit xorg.conf
[18:22] <mot___> change Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv" so you can get into kde
[18:22] <EversW> Brad777, try using envy to uninstall everything about nvidia propieraty, restart and machine and reinstall the 180.22 drivers
[18:22] <mot___> reinstall the 177.x series if 180.x gives you trouble.
[18:22] <earle> anyone able to help me debug a nasty upgrade issue? after upgrading to experimental I can't login :(
[18:22] <Brad777> mot__: okay one mot__ i just did that removing everything
[18:22] <mot___> eh, i'd recommend against using the binary drivers through the restricted package manager
[18:23] <mot___> download binary directly from nvidia and install from console login
[18:23] <Brad777> mot___: can you be a little more specific i'm kind of a nub so like u mean the .run file
[18:23] <DaSkreech> earle: What happens?
[18:23] <mot___> did you download the binary .run file from nvidia?
[18:23] <mot___> Brad777, open konsole and do this: "sudo chmod +x NVIDIA-DRIVER.run" replacing "NVIDIA-DRIVER" with the filename
[18:24] <mot___> then, log out and when you log back in, for 'session' choose 'console login' and it'll drop you to a shell
[18:24] <Brad777> mot___: i'm not sure let me see what it is called it's the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.22-pkg1.run
[18:24] <mot___> cd to your home directory (or whereever you have the .run binary) and run it.
[18:25] <earle> DaSkreech: startup seems fine; I get as far as the login screen. After logging in, the disk activity light flashes for a moment, but nothing happens, there's just the login background and cursor.
[18:26] <earle> I tried creating a new user as an experiment, but that gets the same result.
[18:26] <DaSkreech> earle: hmm what happens if you login via the terminal ?
[18:26] <earle> that's how I'm talking to you now. :)
[18:26] <what_if> is kde 3.X removed from ubuntu now ?
[18:26] <DaSkreech> what_if: Essentially yes
[18:27] <mefisto_> what_if: yes, if you want kde3 you can install 8.04 hardy
[18:27] <what_if> DaSkreech: is there any way to install it on 8.10 without breaking everything ?
[18:27] <DaSkreech> Kinda
[18:27] <michaelfavia> rm still no gtk-qt option under preferences
[18:27] <what_if> DaSkreech: or make 4.X look and act like it
[18:27] <DaSkreech>  There is a PPA for it
[18:27] <michaelfavia> err appearance
[18:28] <earle> The last message I see in the startup log is "Not starting K Display Manager (kdm-kde4); it it not the default display manager."
[18:28] <DaSkreech> The main problem is there is no resources or people willing to maintain it. If you like you canjoin the packaging team to provide support for it
[18:28] <earle> This is after it already seems to have run kdm itself, which is what /etc/X11/default-display-manager has.
[18:28] <DaSkreech> earle: oh ok login to the terminal and do a sudo apt-get install kdm
[18:28] <Brad777> mot___: should i run the nvidia-xconfig utitility to automatically update my x configuration file
[18:28] <earle> "kdm is already the newest version."
[18:29] <earle> I think the issue is something being partly or wrongly configured, but I don't know what.
[18:29] <mot___> Brad777, yea
[18:29] <DaSkreech> earle: sudo apt-get remove kdm-kde4
[18:29] <Brad777> mot___: omg thank you i think it worked
[18:29] <stdin> try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[18:29] <mot___> where can i configure compiz settings in 8.10?
[18:29] <michaelfavia> mot___, sudo apt-get install gtk-qt-engine installed
[18:30] <michaelfavia> but no option in appearance that i can see.
[18:30] <mot___> i just installed it but i'm trying to change settings/skinning (no emerald?)
[18:30] <Brad777> mot___: is there  way to make sure that the driver installed and evrything?
[18:30] <michaelfavia> kde-nightly 4.2
[18:30] <michaelfavia> any suggestion?
[18:30] <earle> stdin: sorry, should have mentioned that I already tried that - it doesn't produce any output.
[18:30] <mot___> michaelfavia, reboot.
[18:30] <earle> DaSkreech: it's not installed; only mentioned as being replaced by "kdm" according to apt.
[18:30] <DaSkreech> update alternatives?
[18:30] <stdin> it won't be in alternatives
[18:30] <Brad777> mot___: it worked thank you very much
[18:31] <stdin> I guess removing kdm-kde4 and "echo /usr/bin/kdm | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager"
[18:31] <earle> d-d-m already has kdm in it.
[18:32] <mot___> where are compiz theme/skin settings?
[18:32] <stdin> you need to get rid of the -kde4 version and let kdm run
[18:32] <earle> right
[18:32] <earle> I noticed there were init scripts for kdm-kde4 in /etc/rc0.d/ etc, and got rid of those already - I don't know what's trying to invoke the other version.
[18:33] <earle> heh, /etc/ etc
[18:33] <earle> this reminds me of the good old days of running debian testing :P
[18:34] <earle> hmm, or did I?
[18:34]  * earle nukes 'em again
[18:36] <mefisto_> michaelfavia: do you get any other packages when you apt-cache search qt-engine ?
[18:36] <stdin> earle: you should remove those links with update-rc.d, rather than rm
[18:36]  * earle is mad, bad and dangerous to know
[18:37] <earle> stdin: er, okay :-) I'll go read manpages
[18:37] <hior> i have beed
[18:37] <hior> haha
[18:37] <earle> how handy
[18:37] <hior> i have been searching for the best way to input chinese
[18:37] <DaSkreech> 'skim ?
[18:37] <stdin> it's just easier, rm /etc/init.d/name && update-rc.d name remove
[18:37] <hior> skim is the way to go?
[18:38] <hior> ok, time to google
[18:38] <White_Pelican> hi all
[18:38] <stdin> !scim
[18:38] <White_Pelican> does anyoneknow when the official 4.2 will be available in intrepid?
[18:38] <khalidmian> with the new kde4.2 when i press restart it doesnt reboot the computer it sort of takes it back to login screen - is that the way it meant to be?
[18:39] <stdin> White_Pelican: it'll appear in the kubuntu-experimental PPA soon-ish
[18:39] <apow> I see 4.2.1 not far away...
[18:39] <White_Pelican> soonish eh?
[18:39] <White_Pelican> I like that :)
[18:40] <stdin> as soon as we've tested the upgrade process
[18:40] <White_Pelican> ah
[18:41] <khalidmian> stdin: restart on 4.2 takes me to login screen instead of restarting computer any help/suggestions?
[18:41] <Eld> will 4.2 remain in experimental for 8.10 ?
[18:41] <stdin> Eld: no
[18:42] <DaSkreech> stdin: Eh?
[18:42] <Eld> great :)
[18:42] <DaSkreech> It will be promoted to main?
[18:42] <stdin> khalidmian: try actually rebooting first
[18:42] <stdin> I mean, it *may* go into -backports
[18:42] <khalidmian> stdin: i did try shut down and reboot
[18:42] <earle> hmm, after a reboot it no longer mentions kdm-kde4 but I still can't get past the login screen.
[18:42]  * BluesKaj waits patiently for the kde 4.2  "official release"....supposedly it's today, sometime
[18:42] <stdin> may not though
[18:43] <White_Pelican> BluesKaj, it is official according the the kde web site
[18:43] <stdin> khalidmian: ask in #kubuntu-devel for now, see if anyone else has the issue
[18:43] <earle> perhaps the "official release" will fix my woes...
[18:43] <White_Pelican> we're juat waiting with baited breath for it's appearance in kubuntu
[18:44] <BluesKaj> White_Pelican , which ppa ?...I dumped the 'experimental' one due to broken pkges
[18:44] <White_Pelican> experimental for now
[18:44] <stdin> White_Pelican: it's on on kde.org yet
[18:44] <White_Pelican> stdin, yes it is on the kde.org site
[18:45] <White_Pelican> I jusy checked
[18:45] <White_Pelican> just*
[18:45] <mefisto_> baited breath, eww
[18:45]  * stdin hits refresh
[18:45] <stdin> ok, so it's *just* out ;)
[18:45] <White_Pelican> yep :)
[18:45] <White_Pelican> get to work hehe
[18:45] <White_Pelican> just kidding
[18:46] <stdin> White_Pelican: fyi, we already had the tar's ;)
[18:47] <White_Pelican> also, (not trying to be a troll, here) given what happened with Hardy, is Intrepid going to be a LTS distro?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> guys , it's still RC , not official yet
[18:47] <stdin> no
[18:47] <alonea> hey, how do i get my homepage back to firefox start instead of that ubuntu thing that put itself in its place?
[18:47] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's not RC
[18:47] <alonea> BluesKaj: its official
[18:47] <White_Pelican> sorry, stdin I used to use Gentoo, no more pain for me :)
[18:47] <alonea> BluesKaj: came out about an hour ago
[18:47]  * BluesKaj looks for 4.2.0 link on kde org
[18:48] <alonea> BluesKaj: its nicely announced on their home page
[18:48] <neothecat> White_Pelican:  and in a few days, you'll have 4.2 compiled and ready to go :)
[18:48] <stdin> White_Pelican: we can't be LTS because the base packages (kernel/shell/etc) aren't
[18:48] <White_Pelican> faie enough
[18:48] <White_Pelican> faie even
[18:48] <coreymon77> alonea: go to the firefox start page, and set that as your home
[18:48] <White_Pelican> fair*
[18:48] <White_Pelican> time to get new glasses
[18:48] <stdin> 3rd time's a charm ;)
[18:49] <BluesKaj> alonea , what hoime page , I'm on kde.org...don't see anything new here , just the Jan 13 th anounce
[18:49] <stdin> BluesKaj: refresh, it's there
[18:50] <neothecat> does anybody know how much different GA will be from RC2?
[18:50] <alonea> BluesKaj: yup. maybe clear your cache as well.
[18:50] <White_Pelican> and also the kubuntu page
[18:50] <White_Pelican> says it's available for Jaunty
[18:50] <alonea> coreymon77: Oh, for some reason I thought firefox was a file, not an actual webpage. and I definitely don't like any program changing my home pages.
[18:51] <alonea> *firefox start
[18:52] <alonea> BluesKaj: http://kde.org/announcements/4.2/index.php
[18:55] <BluesKaj> yeah alonea , I have that..looking for the repos source to add it , I dumped the experimental 0one due to all the probs it created for me.
[18:55] <alonea> BluesKaj: repos for us are unfortunately not here yet
[18:56] <alonea> BluesKaj: should hopefull appear in a few hours
[18:56] <l0neWolf> How can I go from KDE 4.2 RC to the final version?
[18:56] <alonea> Packages for 8.10 (Intrepid) will appear soon in the kubuntu-experimental PPA.
[18:56] <alonea> they are not there yet. unless you want to compile from source. ^_^
[18:57] <earle> I wonder what I've been trying to run from experimental, then...
[18:57] <DaSkreech> l0neWolf: The topic will be updated as soon as it happens
[18:57] <l0neWolf> alonea: if it was in a fail-safe instruction set I'd try, by fail-safe I mean "click this and wait"  :P
[18:57] <l0neWolf> DaSkreech: alright, thanks  :)
[18:58] <earle> l0neWolf: are you insane? This is Linux!!!1!
[18:58] <BluesKaj> not that much hurry...I can wait , compiling from source is ok , but svn is trouble as far as I'm concerned
[18:58] <zooko> Folks, I can't find a .deb of Konqueror 4.2.  Does it exist?
[18:58] <BluesKaj> zooko. not yet
[18:58] <l0neWolf> earle: I'm a Windows user primarily, please accept my lack of knowledge as given  :P
[18:58] <earle> l0neWolf: I was kidding :)
[18:58] <stdin> am I really going to have to update the topic with a "not yet" message......
[18:58] <alonea> BluesKaj: svn is a very nice revision control system. though compiling from source sometimes can be difficult
[18:58] <alonea> stdin: yes
[18:59] <l0neWolf> earle: I know  lol  I've not compiled anything from source before so I'll just wait for the releases to start flooding out
[18:59] <stdin> alonea: like any of you actually *read* the topic anyway :p
[18:59] <earle> l0neWolf: I much prefer the one-button approach myself. You'd think I would have learnt not to expect that by now, after 10 years of using Linux :)
[18:59] <BluesKaj> alonea , linus torvalds thinks svn is useless and confusing for most users ...not only that some of their revised releases break ppls setups
[18:59] <alonea> stdin: lol! hehe. I do sometimes. at least I am not asking for magical packages that are not there yet.
[19:00] <mefisto_> what topic? where can I read the topic? :P
[19:00] <l0neWolf> earle: 10 years?  you've probably seen a huge change then.  things are a lot more friendly nowadays for newbs to Linux, like me
[19:00] <earle> l0neWolf: No kidding. These days you can just... plug stuff in, and IT WORKS HOLY SHIT
[19:00] <Pici> !ohmy
[19:00] <l0neWolf> oops  :P
[19:01] <EversW> oh yeah, i see the earle point, i've being using linux since redhat 7.2, and right now, with all the linux evolution, we can expect that click and update thing ;-)
[19:01] <alonea> BluesKaj: but svn's purpose is for developers, not users. though I will agree that updates for svn in the middle of a project is usually a bad idea. however I will take svn over rcs and cvs any day (though cvs isn't  bad)
[19:01]  * earle edits the logfile so he said "GEE WHILLIKERS!"
[19:01] <l0neWolf> well I can plug my Wacom tablet in and it works so yeah... big steps
[19:01] <earle> anyway, it surprised the bejesus out of me when I first switched to Kubuntu. Yay!
[19:01] <BluesKaj> alonea, svn was supposed to replace and fix cvs
[19:02] <earle> ew, cvs
[19:02] <DaSkreech> users can be developers
[19:02] <zooko> Okay, BluesKaj, thanks!  Maybe I'll try building from source or wait for Konqueror 4.2 .deb's.
[19:02] <DaSkreech> and developers are mostly users
[19:03] <DaSkreech> I think that building from source probably will take the same amount of time as updating
[19:03] <White_Pelican> maybe :)
[19:03] <alonea> BluesKaj: i haven't had a problem with it in my projects. and not everything can please everyone
[19:03] <DaSkreech> hg!
[19:03] <White_Pelican> building from source is like using Gentoo :)
[19:03] <White_Pelican> only for the masochistic Linux user :)
[19:04] <alonea> earle: well, when your insane professors says use rcs or cvs...cvs isn't that bad. ^_^
[19:04] <BluesKaj> alonea , I agree but I still think it's unecessarily complex , but that could be my lack of Linux chops showing thru :)
[19:04] <alonea> White_Pelican: i could never get kde to work with gentoo the one time i tried it.
[19:05] <White_Pelican> my wife and I used it for months but gave up
[19:05] <DaSkreech> alonea: Git
[19:05] <alonea> BluesKaj: it can be confusing at first. I was certainly lost, but now I make a new svn each week for my weekly projects, labs, etc.
[19:05] <White_Pelican> we like Mark Shuttleworth's (canonical's) policy. "It Should Just Work"
[19:05] <Lord^Anubis> i don't think gentoo is worth the time...
[19:06] <streetbobber> salut à tous
[19:06] <alonea> DaSkreech: you calling me a git? *pouts*
[19:06] <wesley_> how can i get my cd out off the laptop, when i p[ress eject it doesnt come out, is there a shortcut for on startups ?
[19:06]  * DaSkreech hugs his ungitted alonea
[19:06] <BluesKaj> heh,  my wife won't let Linux near her pc ... she's in "lala land" with vista :)
[19:06] <DaSkreech> wesley_: type eject on the command line
[19:06] <alonea> I did slackware for the longest time inbetween times where I got angry at kubuntu
[19:06] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: She should love Windows 7
[19:06] <alonea> DaSkreech: yes I have heard of git. just not tried it
[19:06] <reagleBRKLN> anyone know of 4.2 debs for hardy?
[19:06] <nookie^> wesley_: try type in terminal "eject cdrom"
[19:06] <DaSkreech> It's very KDE4
[19:06] <DaSkreech> reagleBRKLN: Not happeneing
[19:07] <Lord^Anubis> i prefer arch for kde though
[19:07] <NGL-TwYsTeD> will this work in linux ? Zonet ZEW1502 802.11G 54 Mbps Wireless LAN Cardbus Adapter
[19:07] <BluesKaj> actaully W7 seems ok to me ...a bit unstable but so far i like it , DaSkreech
[19:07] <wesley_> nookie theres no os
[19:07] <stdin> reagleBRKLN: there will be none for hardy
[19:07] <nookie^> wesley_: ??
[19:07] <reagleBRKLN> ok, too bad, will have to wait and see if jaunty is decent
[19:07] <wesley_> i have no hd in it
[19:08] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: As I said she shuld love it
[19:08] <wesley_> jaunty is decent but broken from time to to time
[19:08] <DaSkreech> wesley_: Wait and see. It may be indecent by the time the jackalope comes out the hole
[19:09] <EversW> for me, jaunty is rocking for the new xorg, gem and intel drivers
[19:09]  * DaSkreech hates xorg
[19:09] <White_Pelican> the comparison between gentoo and say kubuntu is the difference say like building a kit-car as opposed to something premade
[19:09] <White_Pelican> (seeing as how the computing world loves car analogies)
[19:09] <Lord^Anubis> i would choose arch over gentoo anyday...
[19:09] <alonea> DaSkreech: ya know, I actually learned svn from the rockbox people. was fun. how is Git actually?
[19:09] <EversW> NGL-Twysted, do you know what chipset comes with that pcmcia card?
[19:10] <alonea> Lord^Anubis: slackware is fun.
[19:10] <wesley_> I had a crash with my hd with jaunty on it, hd is broken, hitachi says i need to run a special program
[19:10] <Lord^Anubis> arch is about as fast as gentoo, but without all the compiling hassle
[19:10] <Lord^Anubis> hmm, i need to try out slackware
[19:10] <DaSkreech> alonea: Different mindset
[19:10] <BluesKaj> here's the experimental ppa for those who wanr to add it their sources.list : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive
[19:10] <l0neWolf> longish question!
[19:10] <l0neWolf> now to KDE..... I'm using the RC right now in Kubuntu, if I try to add more from the internet via the add widget option it only lists about 4 or 5 on plasmoid.org but every video I've seen for the past two betas shows other places, like google and even os x widgets.  do you have to manually add extra locations besides kde-look plasmoids or am I missing something?
[19:10] <NGL-TwYsTeD> EversW no i dont friend
[19:11] <NGL-TwYsTeD> have a pcmcia rtl 8185 chipset card right
[19:11] <NGL-TwYsTeD> and it isnt working in linux
[19:11] <NGL-TwYsTeD> or maybe i dont know how to get drivers properly
[19:11] <NGL-TwYsTeD> :)
[19:11] <alonea> Lord^Anubis: their whole thing is stability. I haven't tried it in a few months, but do expect to do things the "kit-car" way.
[19:11] <stdin> l0neWolf: kde-look.org only has plasmoids, the other widgets are from elsewhere
[19:11] <DaSkreech> l0neWolf: far as I know there is no provider for those yet if you have the actual widgets then you can Install Widget(Right beside the get new widget) and install from there
[19:12] <l0neWolf> stdin: ok
[19:12] <l0neWolf> DaSkreech: understood, I'll go hunting
[19:13] <EversW> lol, when i visited the zonetusa site, firefox stopped me saying that the site can hurt my pc
[19:13] <EversW> looks like it uses the rt2500 chipset, it should work out of the box in ubuntu
[19:14] <EversW> did you tried it Twysted?
[19:14] <earle> Twysted sounds like the name of an English town.
[19:14] <alonea> DaSkreech: wanna know whats funny, my first linux os was slackware with a self compiled kernel. how I achieved that before learning how to even how to change permissions on files I will never know.
[19:14] <EversW> i tried google widgets from kde nightly and works awesome, it even has a menu to show you the widgets in a easy way
[19:15] <WishingMaster> hi i want to upgrade/update pytube, what is the command ?
[19:15] <earle> alonea: my first *nix was an experimental port of NetBSD for m68k processor machines :-) talk about learning the wrong way
[19:15] <l0neWolf> EversW: are those precompiled or do you have to do that yourself?
[19:15] <wesley_> very irritating my 8.04 live cd is stuck in notebook, and i dont wanna turn the case open
[19:15] <EversW> l0neWold, you mean for getting the google widgets?
[19:15] <earle> wesley_: is there a paperclip eject hole?
[19:15] <l0neWolf> wesley_: earle just beat me to it
[19:15] <NGL-TwYsTeD> EversW havent tried card friend has that zonenet card in oklahoma he will send me to see if that one works for it :)
[19:15] <WishingMaster> wesley_, there is an emergency hole on the drive
[19:16] <l0neWolf> unless it's a slot loading drive...
[19:16] <NGL-TwYsTeD> the one i have here is the rtl8185
[19:16] <earle> must... resist... bad taste humor...
[19:16] <alonea> earle: oh fun. and when people get all spazzy when you mention compiling kernel from source I get very confused. I did it in my first day with no problems. I didn't see the big deal. ^^;;;;;
[19:16] <wesley_> going see to that :)
[19:16] <earle> alonea: heh heh, sounds familiar
[19:16] <WishingMaster> ok does anyone have answer to my ques
[19:16] <WishingMaster> ?
[19:17] <alonea> earle: I bet. I was like, its not hard...caused lots of yelling though.
[19:17] <EversW> NGL-Twysted, the driver is here, you can compile it in a moment if the rtl8185 isn't recognized by default: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/
[19:18] <wesley_> wheres the emergency hole? i have a notebook dvd drive
[19:18] <BluesKaj> WishingMaster , what's pytube ?
[19:18] <WishingMaster> right next to eject button
[19:18] <Unksi> wesley_: it should be near the button
[19:19] <WishingMaster> its a software for youtube
[19:19] <alonea> wesley_: yours isn't popping out? and you tried eject button in nix?
[19:19] <WishingMaster> wesley_, there is an easy way as well
[19:19] <BluesKaj> WishingMaster , check in adept for the newest version
[19:19] <EversW> WishingMaster: i found this repository for pytube: deb http://www.bashterritory.com/pytube/releases /
[19:19] <EversW> but i don't think it will work, dunno really
[19:19] <alonea> wesley_: if you have kde4, click the thing in the tray that has your connected devices and when you mouse over there should be an eject button to the right.
[19:20] <EversW> the bashterritory domain is out
[19:20] <wesley_> i tried the eject button
[19:20] <WishingMaster> wesley_, boot the sys and press f2 a couple of times as soon as it starts(first screen)
[19:20] <wesley_> that will enter bios
[19:20] <l0neWolf> wesley_: http://www.pcdoctor-guide.com/wordpress/images/disc-eject-1.jpg
[19:20] <WishingMaster> wesley_, yes
[19:20] <l0neWolf> look for that
[19:21] <WishingMaster> wesley_, try eject
[19:21] <WishingMaster> wesley_, press the eject button on the drive
[19:22] <mefisto_> what about the eject command?
[19:22] <BluesKaj> ok I just updated with experimental ppas , and now konqueror help gives me this as my latest kde version : Version 4.1.96 (KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.2 RC1))
[19:22] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's not in there yet
[19:23] <stdin> "KDE 4.2 has been released. Users of our development Jaunty version can do a full upgrade to get the latest packages. Packages for 8.10 (Intrepid) will appear soon in the kubuntu-experimental PPA"
[19:23] <WishingMaster> wesley_, whats goin on?
[19:23] <wesley_> worked, kubuntu 8.04 is starting on notebook without hd
[19:23] <Frederick> folks under which configs of the new kde can I change the setting so I can see folkders I create on desktop?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, stdin , I guessed as much ,  cuz i had dropped the experimentals from my sources.list
[19:24] <stdin> Frederick: use the folderview plasmoid
[19:24] <WishingMaster> wesley_, without hd?
[19:24] <WishingMaster> wesley_, without hard drive
[19:25] <anjames> Where was ubuntu years ago when I got mixed up with gentoo? Oh spite.
[19:25] <wesley_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/110416/
[19:25] <alonea> well, I will check back later tonight to see if the packages are in. I will read the topic stdin even if I check here first. ^_^
[19:25] <Frederick> stdin: how?
[19:25] <wesley_> so those from tech support off hitach say i need to download there tools and test the hd´s provlems i dont have a cdrom drive
[19:25] <wesley_> someone help me
[19:26] <stdin> Frederick: right click the desktop -> Add Widgets -> Folder View
[19:26] <alonea> wesley_: ok, start from the beginning. What is your issue? cdrom or harddrive?
[19:26] <filthpig> aloha. Will it be possible to install KDE4.2 via repos in hardy?
[19:26] <filthpig> gues snot, huh
[19:26] <WishingMaster> wesley_, yeah what the main issue?
[19:26] <filthpig> guess not*
[19:26] <wesley_> harddrive
[19:26] <stdin> not in hardy, it's too old
[19:27] <wesley_> ive pasted the mail
[19:27] <WishingMaster> wesley_, whats happening to hd?
[19:27] <filthpig> but it's LTS though..
[19:27] <alonea> filthpig: nope. though upgrade to intrepid from hardy was very painless for me.
[19:27] <wesley_> they say i need to run their program
[19:27] <stdin> filthpig: wrong
[19:27] <solo> i need some help. my usb wont read anything to do with my dig cam.... sees ipod shuffel but nothing with the cam ????
[19:27] <Frederick> stdin: oki managed it but imho this sucks =/
[19:27] <wesley_> WishingMaster it makes tick tick sounds fast and slow
[19:27] <Pici> !latest | filthpig
[19:27] <WishingMaster> wesley_, of
[19:28] <WishingMaster> wesley_, ok
[19:28] <stdin> Frederick: you can set the whole desktop to that plasmoid
[19:28] <WishingMaster> wesley_, how old is it?
[19:28] <wesley_> and hitachi says i need to check it with there app
[19:28] <wesley_> 1 month
[19:28] <WishingMaster> wesley_, the hd is 1 month old?
[19:28] <Frederick> stdin: how?
[19:28] <wesley_> yes
[19:28] <WishingMaster> wesley_, it is a new system??
[19:28] <wesley_> yes
[19:29]  * anjames thinks wesley_ got an HD w/bad bearings
[19:29] <WishingMaster> wesley_,
[19:29] <WishingMaster> yeah
[19:29] <solo> i need some help. my usb wont read anything to do with my dig cam.... sees ipod shuffel but nothing with the cam ????
[19:29] <wesley_> a Mini itx system
[19:29] <filthpig> alonea: tried ibex, and it was okay enough, but it left my webcam image green, heh. And since I knew all I needed worked just fine in hardy I went for the "no surprises"-option and went back
[19:29] <WishingMaster> wesley_, is your system in return period?
[19:29] <wesley_> so no dvd drive
[19:29] <alonea> wesley_: I would get it exchanged. if its new and causing problems, its usually a bad one.
[19:29] <WishingMaster> yeah me too
[19:30] <wesley_> WishingMaster 24 montha warranty on all parts
[19:30] <WishingMaster> wesley_, contact Customer Care and get a refund
[19:30] <WishingMaster> wesley_, thats diffrent
[19:30] <WishingMaster> wesley_, are you in US?
[19:30] <stdin> Frederick: I think from the Desktop Setting menu (from right-click)
[19:30] <alonea> filthpig: ibex?
[19:30] <wesley_> Lol you need to send it for repair first, thats the way itr goes here
[19:30] <anjames> wesley_, What make/manufacturer is the drive?
[19:30] <filthpig> alonea: Intrepid Ibex, Ubuntu 8.10 :)
[19:31] <wesley_> I live in Netherlands and hitachi is the manufacturer
[19:31] <WishingMaster> wesley_, hmmmm
[19:31] <alonea> filthpig: i knew ibex sounded familiar. used to seeing it as intrepid.
[19:31] <alonea> filthpig: when did you try it? its been officially released now.
[19:31] <wesley_> Ive contact tech support, they said do some test with our app
[19:31] <filthpig> alonea: yeah, however I find ibex a lot simpler to write :P
[19:32] <uga> alonea: more familiar thanks to the biggest company market shares in Spain ;) (IBEX)
[19:32] <Frederick> stdin: could not find it there
[19:32] <filthpig> alonea: tried it right before christmas
[19:32] <EversW> uga : hehe, yeah, the ibex35
[19:32] <uga> exactly
[19:32] <uga> at some point I thought people had changed topic in here ;)
[19:33] <filthpig> and my webcam image was very wrong, like when you set saturisation, I think, to max. My face went green and the walls purple. And it wasn't the LSD, I tell you ;)
[19:34] <alonea> filthpig: I think I got it around thenish. but I also put all the prerelease packages on. my friends who didn't had problems with stuff. I do know my webcam is fine though
[19:35] <filthpig> and, I don't know, I just never felt really comfortable with ibex... Dunno why, though.
[19:35] <filthpig> Anyhoo, back to my initial questions: Is KDE4.2 included in jaunty, or will it first be included with 9.10?
[19:36] <EversW> filthpig, kde 4.2 is already on jaunty repos
[19:37] <filthpig> EversW: ah, kool. I'll just install the latest LiveCD on my usb-stick and try it out, then. It's Alpha 3 still, right?
[19:37] <EversW> yep, but they just updated the packages for 4.2 final
[19:38] <EversW> oh, you said install, i read try ;-)
[19:39] <EversW> For me, the worst thing in intrepid is the bad performance of the intel drivers
[19:39] <gorgonzola> hello.. will kde 4.2 appear as update in the intrepid repos?
[19:39] <White_Pelican> eventually :)
[19:39] <EversW> hehe
[19:39] <EversW> gorgonzola, right now will appear in the experimental ppa repository
[19:39] <alonea> EversW: video card? the drivers for my intel are just as bad in windows as linux. though linux i think is better
[19:39] <EversW> check out kubuntu.org site
[19:40] <EversW> yep alonea, for instance, i have a netbook with intel gma 945, and with windows xp works great, but with linux, it's clunky
[19:40] <gorgonzola> EversW and would installing that mess up my upgrade path for when it i realeased into the main repo?
[19:40] <EversW> i have another rig with gma 3100 and works a bit better. I had to enable XAA on the netbook to have it running a bit better
[19:41] <stdin> gorgonizer: it won't
[19:41] <EversW> gorgonzola, and path are the same, for installing the kde 4.2 rc, i added the repository and installed kubuntu-desktop (and some more other packages manually) because i'm using regular ubuntu
[19:42] <alonea> EversW: i have 965 i think and its terrible in windows.
[19:42] <gorgonzola> EversW: ok, thx1
[19:42] <EversW> 965 isn't a hit of course ;-) but works in 2D better in windows, and with hardy it worked for me better
[19:43] <EversW> i've being reading all the bug reports on launchpad about it, there are a lot of them ;-)
[19:44] <EversW> and... i tried a repository of someone with xorg fixes, and also some tweaks from the jaunty repository.... i ended with an slower system
[19:44] <alonea> EversW: its been fine in linux with compiz, but windows games are a nightmare. the frustrating thing is when changing setting of something like resolution makes no difference
[19:44] <EversW> some people reported that using GEM with linux works way better
[19:45] <EversW> alonea, yeah, games are out of the worth ;-) i'm more about 2D acceleration and compiz/kwin performance
[19:46] <alonea> EversW: have had excellent performance with compiz so far on this card. was very surpised.
[19:46] <khalidmian> i have a new kubunut installation and am looking to upgard ked from 4.1 to 4.2
[19:46] <EversW> i really really hope that, after reading all the information that people from phoronix report, the GEM, the new xorg, the new intel / nvidia /ati drivers resolves and finally gives linux the 2D acceleration it deserves
[19:47] <EversW> alonea, well not for me ;-) it gives me the "lag" sensation and sluggish using it, even without effects
[19:48] <EversW> stdin, i thing adding a news entry on kubuntu.org site with the information on how to update from 4.1 to 4.2 on intrepid and adding it to the channel topic would be greatly useful
[19:48] <khalidmian> GROANS--for - wait cause he has to wait for kde 4.2
[19:49] <stdin> EversW: there will be, once it's ready
[19:49] <EversW> cool
[19:49] <EversW> all right guys, i'm off for dinner, cya later ;-)
[19:50] <khalidmian> how soon is soon? 2 months?
[19:50] <alonea> khalidmian: later today.
[19:50] <khalidmian> woooooooooohoooooooooo
[19:50] <alonea> khalidmian: its out officially, but the repos have to be made.
[19:51] <stdin> it's already mostly build in jaunty, it's currently building for intrepid
[19:51] <khalidmian> yeah i was trying the repos and it was coming up with weird things
[19:51] <alonea> khalidmian: if you want to compile by source, you can.
[19:51] <xiong> so, how to downgrade to 8.04?
[19:51] <tbr281> well that just answered my question ^ :P
[19:51] <alonea> xiong: not liking intrepid or kde4?
[19:55] <khalidmian> i dont remember how i got a volume for digital alongside pcm and front i cant seem to recall the steps i took
[19:55] <wesley___> okay hd problem guy am i
[19:55] <WishingMaster> apt-get install kde             is this the command to install latest kde on ubuntu running in GNOME
[19:56] <trappist> WishingMaster: kubuntu-desktop, not kde
[19:56] <stdin> it's recommended to use "kubuntu-desktop" *not* "kde"
[19:56] <stdin> "kde" pulls in pretty much every KDE lib/app
[19:56] <WishingMaster> stdin, i just want kde not kubuntu
[19:56] <Roby2> ! http://www.ihateyounatalie.com/?id=1175538
[19:56] <Roby2> save the pervs! http://www.ihateyounatalie.com/?id=1175538
[19:57] <trappist> too slow
[19:57] <khalidmian> stdin: should i install ubuntu restricted extras or kubuntu restricted extras only in kubuntu
[19:58] <WishingMaster> i want kde only
[19:58] <stdin> WishingMaster: use kde-core
[19:58] <WishingMaster> how?
[19:58] <WishingMaster> command?
[19:58] <stdin> sudo apt-get install kde-core
[19:58] <khalidmian> stdin: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras OR sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras ???
[19:58] <WishingMaster> stdin, will this install latest kde? apt-get install kde-core
[19:58] <stdin> khalidmian: you can have both
[19:59] <khalidmian> i have kubuntu so that why im asking
[19:59] <stdin> khalidmian: the only difference is kubuntu-restricted-extras installs xine mp3 support and ubuntu-restricted-extras installs gstreamer mp3 support
[19:59] <stdin> WishingMaster: it's a meta-package, it'll install what ever is available
[20:00] <khalidmian> stdin: which is better considering im not using gnome
[20:00] <WishingMaster> gr8
[20:00] <stdin> the kubuntu one
[20:00] <khalidmian> ty
[20:01] <khalidmian> stdin: E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras any clue why?
[20:01] <stdin> you need to enable multiverse
[20:02] <khalidmian> oooooooops
[20:04] <xiong> alonea: been suggested that i downgrade to kde3 for performance reasons on dell C600
[20:04] <alonea> xiong: oh! i remember you.
[20:05] <xiong> well i'm *this* close to throwing the laptop in the nearest garbage can
[20:05] <xiong> and waddling away with unkind thoughts about linux, too
[20:05] <alonea> xiong: not sure if there is a downgrade option, but if you split your home from your root partition, reinstalling should take maybe 20 minutes max
[20:05] <xiong> hardware and os are not getting along nicely with one another
[20:06] <alonea> xiong: so you don't loose any files, but it sounds like there isn't anything to loose at this point
[20:06] <tyler_d1> error compiling a .bin libm.so.6 cannot open shared object file
[20:06] <xiong> okay; is there a web page that explains what you said for the benefit of the ignorant?
[20:06] <darkadmin> Sorry
[20:06] <tyler_d1> !libm.so.6
[20:06] <WishingMaster> xiong, whats the problem with dell?
[20:06] <alonea> WishingMaster: its a pentium 3
[20:06] <xiong> there seem to be several major issues
[20:07] <WishingMaster> xiong, like?
[20:07] <xiong> for instance, inserting the wireless card freezes the whole machine
[20:07] <WishingMaster> hmmm
[20:07] <xiong> this wireless card known good -- works in another laptop
[20:07] <xiong> i'm on a wire right now, sucks
[20:07] <xiong> for instance, the damnslow everything
[20:08] <alonea> xiong: I was just saying to reinstall root only and not having to reformat /home. I like to put my root and my /home on separate partitions.
[20:08] <xiong> which i consider ridiculous; i get much better speed running mac os 9 on an old G3 running a less than half the speed
[20:08] <WishingMaster> xiong, what is the amount of memory installed?
[20:08] <earle> yay, os 9!
[20:08] <xiong> 256Mb main memory
[20:08] <nsaw> hi
[20:08] <earle> happy memories
[20:08] <alonea> xiong: but yes. hardy would be very good for you. i have a friend with a dell p3 laptop and kubuntu hardy without speed issues
[20:08] <WishingMaster> xiong, how much is sharred with video card?
[20:09] <nsaw> how can i start kde-nighty in a nx session? The default is kde 4.1
[20:09] <xiong> don't really know -- there is 8Mb dedicated vram
[20:09] <WishingMaster> xiong, get into BIOS and check video buffer size
[20:10] <xiong> i have no idea how to do that
[20:10] <alonea> ok, I have a question on the terminal. how do I scroll up when the output is very long and seems to cut off
[20:10] <sigma1234> guys whats the eta on kde4.2?
[20:10] <stdin> sigma1234: read the topic
[20:10] <alonea> sigma1234: probably tonight
[20:10] <alonea> stdin: he was asking when, not if it is
[20:10] <stdin> alonea: shift + PgUp/PgDown
[20:10] <xiong> when i reboot the box, i can press F2=setup and it says, i have 8Mb video ram
[20:10] <WishingMaster> xiong, if its set 128 mb then change it to 8 mb
[20:10] <stdin> there is no ETA, it's when it builds
[20:10] <WishingMaster> xiong, ok
[20:11] <xiong> there is no way to adjust this
[20:11] <WishingMaster> xiong, do you have a dual boot system?
[20:11] <xiong> and this should be enough for 1024x768 at millions of colors, anyway
[20:11] <xiong> no, don't have got
[20:11] <WishingMaster> xiong, ok
[20:11] <sigma1234> yeah i saw it, i dont get it though - if kde is tagged about a week prior to release why are the packages only built on the official release date?
[20:11] <alonea> stdin: it still stops at when I can manually move the scroll bar. is there a limit to number of lines in an output
[20:11] <xiong> kubuntu 8.10 on a clean HD
[20:12] <WishingMaster> xiong, hmmmm
[20:12] <xiong> there are currently 2 partitions, equal in size
[20:12] <xiong> it's the devil to see them, though
[20:12] <stdin> sigma1234: because the packages are not frozen until today
[20:12] <wesley___> why is it that when i invite someone to cam that the cam doesnt start ?
[20:12] <stdin> alonea: it depends on the buffer for the terminal
[20:12] <xiong> i expect to see each partition show up on the desktop as a distinct drive
[20:13] <alonea> stdin: how can I set the buffer?
[20:13] <xiong> but actually, nothing shows on the desktop at all
[20:13] <xiong> dolphin is weird
[20:13] <sigma1234> ah i see, rats thought id be able to install tonight, oh well guess tomorrow, the us guys will probably have a free4all if its out tonight anyway:)
[20:13] <stdin> alonea: why not just use less?
[20:13] <xiong> is there a file manager that adheres strictly to the file-and-folder icon metaphor??
[20:13] <xiong> that is, when i double-click a folder, i expect to see a window open with its contents
[20:14] <BattleStarJesus> How do I unlock "Unable to get exclusive lock"?
[20:14] <xiong> and i expect all such windows to remain open on the desktop at all times, unless i deliberately hide them
[20:14] <BattleStarJesus> I mean I am getting the error "Unable to get exclusive lock" how do I fix this error?
[20:15] <alonea> stdin: I am testing out some programs that shows the steps to solve puzzles for my cs project. testing extremes and wanted to see what it said at the beginning in the output. its a lot of lines....
[20:15] <wesley___> So i invite on msn to video chat, but the video doesnt turn on
[20:15] <stdin> alonea: use less, you do "command | less"
[20:15] <BluesKaj> BattleStarJesus, make sure you don't have any package mangers open , then do this in the konsole : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:15] <stdin> alonea: it'll then let you scroll through the output
[20:15] <xiong> there doesn't seem to be any directory, at any level, that just shows both partitions
[20:16] <alonea> stdin: lol! i get it now.
[20:16] <BattleStarJesus> BluesKaj: that is one for the books
[20:16] <stdin> xiong: if you have 2 partitions, then one must be the root and the other will be mounted somewhere on the root
[20:16] <xiong> and the whole business with root is driving me nuts
[20:16] <xiong> i mean, root user
[20:16] <BluesKaj> BattleStarJesus ,   then remove broken dependencies  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:16] <stdin> eg /media/disk2
[20:17] <xiong> there is a junk file in /
[20:17] <stdin> we don't use the root user, we use sudo
[20:17] <xiong> i know it's junk, i created it doing sth dumb
[20:17] <xiong> i can't delete it in dolphin
[20:17] <xiong> what's the point of a GUI if you're working the command line all the time?
[20:17] <stdin> use "kdesudo dolphin" to get dolphin to start as root
[20:18] <stdin> alt-f2 -> kdesudo dolphin
[20:18] <DaSkreech> xiong: or if you want to be quick F4 then sudo rm junk
[20:18] <xiong> alt-F2 will give me a bash shell, right?
[20:18] <BattleStarJesus> BluesKaj: that is a very exact resolution.
[20:18] <alonea> root is good!
[20:18] <Frederick> Folks on new kubuntu how automount  for usb devices work?
[20:18] <stdin> xiong: no
[20:18] <stdin> xiong: it's the run dialog
[20:18] <ubuntu__> so i get invited, i accept the cam invites, but i am not getting any cam screens
[20:18] <claydoh> xiong: if you want to open folders in separate windows, you can do so using Konqueror as a file browser
[20:18] <xiong> k, i see it
[20:19] <ubuntu__> its kopete
[20:19] <xiong> i want a file manager without all the menus and icons and sidebar and weirdstuff
[20:19] <alonea> imho konqueror is a lot less complicated. I am still leery of dolphin on most days
[20:19] <s0101> does anybody have a link to ubuntu channel?
[20:19] <xiong> i want to see the same environment when i hit an open or save dialog from within an application
[20:19] <stdin> alonea: konqueror uses dolphin to show files/directories
[20:19] <alonea> stdin: that you for that less command.
[20:19] <stdin> s0101: #ubuntu
[20:19] <s0101> cheers
[20:20] <claydoh> xiong: you can remove/add those parts in both konqueror and dolphin for the most part
[20:20] <xiong> i have struggled a little and i understand that i can delete the junk file by going to the shell in one of several ways and "rm" it
[20:20] <xiong> i just don't see why it is all so difficult/complex
[20:20] <stdin> there is simply more choice
[20:20] <mefisto_> xiong: it's not. must be just you :)
[20:20] <xiong> i had a similar problem taming multiple monitors on the mac
[20:21] <stdin> in unix there is often more than one way to preform the same task
[20:21] <claydoh> it is? I just found it pretty quickly myself, never considered separate windows before
[20:21] <xiong> i downloaded the shareware SwitchRes and that lets me do nearly anything that *could* be possible, including a lot of things that aren't
[20:21] <xiong> now, with this laptop, i can't figure out how to get the screen resolution/depth correct
[20:22] <ubuntu__> has someone get uberhaupts cams working with msn ?
[20:22] <xiong> all i want is a window with every possible video mode and i can click on them, see if they work, and if they do, set them as available anywhere
[20:23] <xiong> instead i'm digging through xorg.conf, modeline generators, and similar advanced/sohphisticated stuff
[20:23] <xiong> is there a linux distro for the non-MSCS?
[20:24]  * anjames is away: Gone away for now
[20:24] <DaSkreech> alonea: Konqueror is less complicated? Boggle
[20:25] <alonea> DaSkreech: I really dont like dolphin...
[20:25] <DaSkreech> xiong: Remove the sidebars config away toolbars press Ctrl+M
[20:25] <xiong> dolphin smacks of windoz and mac os x
[20:26] <xiong> ctl-M doesn't seem to do anything
[20:26] <xiong> ah
[20:26] <DaSkreech> xiong: Yes it does
[20:27] <BluesKaj> don't understand dolphin , altho it does give me access to my ntfs partition
[20:27] <xiong> it eliminates the menu bar
[20:27] <DaSkreech> YEs
[20:27] <xiong> okay, but then the menus are gone
[20:27] <DaSkreech> remove the sirebars and the toolbars and press ctrl+M
[20:27] <DaSkreech> there you go just the files as you asked for
[20:27] <xiong> mac os 9 has one single menu bar at top of screen
[20:27] <EagleScreen> alonea use konqueror
[20:27] <DaSkreech> alonea: Not liking dolphin and it being more complex are two things :)
[20:27] <xiong> whatever the frontmost window, that's the set of menus displayed
[20:27] <stdin> konqueror uses dolphin to show files/directories
[20:28] <alonea> EagleScreen: I know. and I do.
[20:28] <DaSkreech> xiong: That's being worked on for KDE4
[20:28] <stdin> it's the same thing with different window decoration
[20:28] <xiong> windoz and kde seem to have a menu bar stuck at the top of every window
[20:28] <alonea> DaSkreech: I don't understand dolphin most of the time. to me, its more complex than konq
[20:28] <stdin> xiong: that's where people expect it to be
[20:28] <sourcemaker> it's great to see, that kde 4.2 is out... it there a release date for kubuntu packages on PPA?
[20:28] <xiong> i suppose i can learn to live with it but it means more screen real estate goes to this kind of overhead, less to content
[20:28] <DaSkreech> alonea: hmm interesting what confuses you?
[20:29] <Guest31026> my adept pkg mngr wont load what do i do?
[20:29] <xiong> stdin: "people" being windoz users
[20:29] <EagleScreen> sourcemaker packages will be avoilable in hours
[20:29] <DaSkreech> xiong: wait a few releases and you can have that in KDE 4 a well
[20:29] <stdin> well, it's on the top in mac too
[20:29] <sourcemaker> EagleScreen: great job :-)
[20:29] <xiong> right: one menu bar, not a dozen for a dozen windows
[20:29] <xiong> never mind; it's the least of my complaints
[20:30] <stdin> it just changes for each application, it is actually several different menu bars
[20:30] <xiong> first, to get the full screen working at full resolution and depth
[20:30] <BluesKaj> anyway, BBL.. errands
[20:30] <xiong> second, to get the wireless card working
[20:30] <xiong> with those things fixed, i hope to be able to learn my way through more issues
[20:31] <alonea> DaSkreech: I can never seem to get to anything I want. I want to right click my volumes and get the properties such as space left. it seems every time I use it I cant get it to do what i want it to do.
[20:31] <xiong> you know, i can probably even ignore dolphin and learn to do my file maintenance in bash
[20:31] <xiong> there was a time, 20 years ago, when we did everything that way; there was no gui
[20:31] <DaSkreech> alonea: Good call
[20:32] <xiong> i just think it's kinda horrible ugly to go back to that now
[20:32] <DaSkreech> xiong: ugly yes efficient yes
[20:32] <stdin> if you think it's ugly
[20:32] <xiong> maybe i just need to ditch kde entirely and get serious about working from shell
[20:32] <alonea> DaSkreech: that and when I went to the newer stuff I didnt have my right click and extract, but that isn't dolphin, though. its in now though as of RC
[20:33] <EagleScreen> $ df -h
[20:33] <DaSkreech> alonea: That was ark that's fixed now. The volume thing is intersting
[20:33] <DaSkreech> There is a freespace at the bottom of Dolphin but I guess right click is faster
[20:34] <alonea> DaSkreech: yeah, I am used to being able to do that, not get confused and have to find my volume then using up
[20:34] <alonea> DaSkreech: cause my root and /home are on separate partitions
[20:34] <alonea> DaSkreech: so its very hard to see how much space is left on each
[20:35] <DaSkreech> alonea: actually there should just be an overlay
[20:35] <keres> hello DaSkreech
[20:35] <alonea> DaSkreech: where?
[20:36] <xiong> well, i've run out of time -- gtg
[20:36] <xiong> work on it again later
[20:36] <xiong> thx
[20:36] <alonea> xiong: and get hardy!
[20:36] <DaSkreech> on the sidebar so anything that's a volume shuld have a bar showing how full it is
[20:36] <alonea> DaSkreech: nope
[20:36] <DaSkreech>  there is already an overlay to say if its mounted or not
[20:36] <xiong> i don't know how to do that; i'm convinced if i try i will wipe out everything
[20:36] <DaSkreech> alonea: I'm not saying there is I'm saying there should be
[20:36] <xiong> we'll pick it up next time, thx
[20:37] <alonea> DaSkreech: ah.
[20:37] <mjobin> hi everyone
[20:37] <alonea> i just don't want to spend forever searching for simple information.
[20:37] <DaSkreech> sounds like something to throw at bugs.kde.org when it comes back up
[20:38] <mjobin> I got a weird problem... suddenly my desktop freeze and was not answering to any mouse click. ssh was not responding. like my system could not fork anymore. I rebooted and now every KDE applications will take 100% of the CPU, including konsole, kdm_greet or plasma.
[20:38] <DaSkreech> hi keres
[20:38] <mjobin> I think it could be related to a recent package upgrade I did, but I'm not sure what ... ?
[20:39] <Guest31026> my adept pkg mngr wont load what do i do?
[20:39] <alonea> DaSkreech: and my touchpad is still insane to me
[20:39] <firfir> !tr
[20:39] <legodude__> mjobin: sounds like it
[20:40] <legodude__> ugh, anyone know why my konq would continually crash on me?
[20:41] <mjobin> nobody heard of a similar problem running 8.10 and kde 4.2rc1 ?
[20:42] <DaSkreech> legodude__: When does it do that?
[20:42] <legodude__> there are tons of weird problems
[20:42] <legodude__> DaSkreech: contiunally
[20:42] <legodude__> continually
[20:42] <legodude__> non-repeatably
[20:42] <legodude__> same error message every time if I run from terminal
[20:42] <spine55> any one know of any good font smoothing improvements?
[20:42]  * aapzak legodude__: 4.2 final? Have you restarted after install?
[20:42] <DaSkreech> legodude__: get the kdelibs-dbg and submit bug reports with debugging symbols
[20:43] <legodude__> k
[20:43] <jussi01> hrm, is there a kde4 ftp client yet?
[20:44] <legodude__> DaSkreech: will this slow things down terribly?
[20:44] <Lord^Anubis> ermm, use dolphin/konqueror?
[20:44] <legodude__> and can I easily do kdelibs-bin to return to non-debug?
[20:44] <jussi01> Lord^Anubis: they do ftp also? :)
[20:44] <aapzak> and don't use ftp, its unsave
[20:44] <Lord^Anubis> jussi01: yes, along with ssh
[20:44] <jussi01> aapzak: not my choice
[20:45]  * aapzak try sftp :)
[20:45] <jussi01> Lord^Anubis: I knew they did sftp, jut not ftp
[20:45]  * aapzak sftp or ssh
[20:45]  * aapzak use fish:// in dolphin or konq
[20:46]  * aapzak fish will get you sftp or ssh/scp
[20:46] <stdin> use sftp, not fish
[20:46] <stdin> jussi01: konqueror has done ftp for years ;)
[20:46] <aapzak> stdin: what is the difference?
[20:47]  * jussi01 blushes in stdin's direction and hides
[20:47] <stdin> aapzak: fish is a wrapper that logs in via ssh and installs a perl script to emulate sftp/scp functions
[20:47]  * alonea says GFTP is your friend
[20:47]  * aapzak and sftp is a straight implementation ?
[20:48] <stdin> no, all modern (and not so modern) ssh installs have sftp. some really old servers don't
[20:48] <DaSkreech> reaaaaally old
[20:49] <aapzak> unfortunally sftp was switched of on some servers @work, I have to use fish :)
[20:49]  * aapzak actually one of the reasons I use KDE
[20:49] <stdin> tell your sever admins to get a grip
[20:49] <aapzak> gnome cannot do fish :)
[20:49] <aapzak> I will :)
[20:49] <stdin> they enable ssh but not sftp, hah
[20:49]  * aapzak on purpose
[20:49] <jhgj> hello
[20:49] <DaSkreech> legodude__: Just remove the -dbg package
[20:49]  * aapzak they don't want filetransfers
[20:50] <stdin> but ssh does it anyway, eg: fish:// ;)
[20:50]  * aapzak I'm the onlyone in the office with fish :)
[20:50] <jhgj> i just installed ub i need help with windows share
[20:50] <stdin> and it's not like sftp opens any security issues, it's still encrypted and still requires a login
[20:51] <jussi01> !samba | jhgj
[20:51]  * aapzak stdin: you're right, I didn't get it either
[20:51] <jhgj> ok when i go to places and networking ub does not see anything
[20:52] <Lord^Anubis> i love fish
[20:52]  * aapzak me too, but I did not know about the wrapper stuff
[20:52] <stdin> I prefer stake
[20:53] <stdin> jhgj: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[20:54] <firfir> !tr
[20:59]  * anjames is back.
[21:04] <fuser> hey is kde 4.2 released
[21:05] <stdin> fuser: see the topic
[21:06] <fidji> what is vcom-tunnel 8001 ? I see that in wireshark
[21:06] <fuser> what you mean stdin
[21:06] <stdin> fuser: type /topic
[21:07] <fuser> but on the kde site, its telling that its released
[21:08] <White_Pelican> 4.2 has been released but it's going to take some time to be in the experimental branch
[21:08] <fuser> how could i upgrade to 4.2
[21:08] <stdin> you have to wait
[21:08] <fuser> why?
[21:09] <DaSkreech> fuser: compile from source
[21:09] <stdin> because it's not ready yet
[21:09] <White_Pelican> exactly
[21:09] <stdin> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 will have instructions when it's ready
[21:09] <fuser> when do you think it will be ready
[21:09] <stdin> when it builds
[21:09] <aapzak> :)
[21:09] <khalidmian> how do i enable digital out or spdif out in kmix
[21:11] <khalidmian> how do i enable digital out in kubuntu via kmix
[21:12] <khalidmian> i only seem to have vol control for front and pcm nt digital out
[21:13] <brun> w pk........
[21:14] <BattleStarJesus> I am trying to configure my computer to run festival.  I have followed the steps on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TextToSpeech but I do not have the /etc/festival.scm file how do I set this up?
[21:16] <stdin> BattleStarJesus: you don't need it. just install kttsd
[21:17] <stdin> then you can start it from KMenu -> Utilities -> Text-to-speech Manager
[21:18] <khalidmian> pls help re digital out vol i cant seem to find it in kmix
[21:18] <BattleStarJesus> stdin: ok got it.
[21:22] <Ketrel> A while ago I was told a command that could make plasmoids show up after I compiled without having to reboot, does anyone know that command?
[21:24] <astromme> Ketrel: "kquitapp plasma" then "kbuildsycoca4" then "plasma" and you should be good to go
[21:24] <stdin> Ketrel: kbuildsycoca4
[21:24] <stdin> you DO NOT need to quit plasma
[21:24] <astromme> no?
[21:24] <stdin> no
[21:24] <astromme> interesting....
[21:24] <astromme> Has that always been the case?
[21:24] <stdin> in fact, if you're going to quit plasma, you can miss out the "kbuildsycoca4" part
[21:24] <Ketrel> stdin: that's the one thanks much
[21:25] <stdin> astromme: yeah
[21:25] <BattleStarJesus> stdin: The text to speach system seems to be functioning properly.
[21:26] <stdin> easy hey :)
[21:26] <khalidmian> stdin: i did the following command sudo apt-get libxine-extracodecs and got invalid operation any siggestions/help?
[21:27] <stdin> khalidmian: that's an old package, just install kubuntu-restricted-extras or libxine1-ffmpeg
[21:27] <astromme> khalidmian: sudo apt-get install blah. you need the install
[21:27] <enig> I have a doubt. dows Kubuntu have a firewall??
[21:28] <stdin> enig: yes, but it does nothing by default
[21:29] <stdin> !firewall
[21:29] <aapzak> enig: not by default
[21:29] <mitchell> hello
[21:29] <mitchell> please help with firefox, when I rightclick on a link any of the options from the popup menu is executed randomly without making the second click
[21:29] <stdin> it's built-in to the kernel, you just want a GUI to configure it
[21:29] <khalidmian> stdin: is it sudo apt-get install vlc for vlc player?
[21:29] <stdin> yes
[21:30] <Guest94088> need help with adept it doesnt load
[21:30] <macdaddy> 1
[21:31] <mitchell> can someboy please help me?
[21:31] <khalidmian> stdin: how do i remove unwanted packages via sudo
[21:31] <enig> wow that iptables is more complicated then i thought...
[21:31] <enig> lol
[21:31] <stdin> khalidmian: sudo apt-get remove <package>
[21:32] <stdin> enig: that's why there are GUI's for it (and ufw, a command-line tool for it)
[21:33] <Guest44563> need help with adept it doesnt load
[21:33] <mefisto_> khalidmian: if you type man apt-get, you can see all the options available
[21:33] <Guest72012> #kubuntu-de-offtopic
[21:34] <khalidmian> stdin: having issues with digital output not showing in kmix any suggestions/help
[21:34] <enig> stdin: is there a GUI for the iptables?
[21:34] <KDesk> In Intrepid, will KDE 4.2 be available as update in the repo -update? In which repo will it be, and is it known when?
[21:34] <Guest72012> join #kubuntu-de
[21:34] <Guest72012> damn
[21:34] <stdin> enig: Guarddog and Firestarter are
[21:35] <stdin> khalidmian: nope, my sound just works. all 2 speakers of it
[21:35] <DaSkreech> !firewall | enig
[21:35] <enig> cool. will get one of them ASAP  xD  coding after a day of programming class...? i don't think so....
[21:36] <astromme> enig: "after a day" meaning after an entire day or after your first day?
[21:36] <enig> an entire day.
[21:36] <astromme> heh
[21:37] <enig> lol my head is pumping like hell, and math exam tomorrow... i think my head is having enough for one day :)
[21:37] <Guest44563> could someone help me to get adept pkg mngr to work?
[21:38] <astromme> enig: Yeah, i've got a engineering problemset due tomorrow, lots more work tonight >_>
[21:41] <ward_> when are the packages readu for 8.10 you think ?
[21:42] <jean> helo
[21:42] <Guest44563> how do i get back to root in konsole
[21:42] <geiseri> part
[21:43] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: sudo -i
[21:43] <jean> k1 de francais
[21:43] <Guest44563> ty
[21:43] <jean> ?
[21:43] <enig> LOL why everyone lets they're work to the last day..? just like my last project i didn't started when it was suposed to then i had to spent the last 3 nights without sleep just to finish it
[21:43] <enig> xD
[21:44] <EversW> hi, greetings from spain
[21:45]  * untitled_ wants kde4.2 packages
[21:45]  * untitled_ throw rock
[21:46]  * stdin throws it back
[21:46] <t-nor> hello, is kde 4.2 package going to be release this hour please ?
[21:46] <stdin> we rock hard enough already
[21:46] <DaSkreech> untitled_: upgrade to Jackalope
[21:46] <DaSkreech> stdin: lol
[21:47] <sinus> hello from france
[21:47] <untitled_> DaSkreech: is it possible to just install kde packages from there?
[21:47] <stdin> it's starting to sound like the eurovision song content in here
[21:47] <DaSkreech> untitled_: Ibex packages are coming very soon
[21:47] <sinus> hmm cant hear the music though
[21:48] <jpedroza> Is there a way to see where and what a .deb package installs?
[21:48] <stdin> sinus: you've seen the show, that's a good thing ;)
[21:48] <conferen34> does everyone know how to talk by webcam with a person using MSN?
[21:48] <stdin> jpedroza: open it in ark or use "less package.deb"
[21:48] <sinus> nah i dont have a TV
[21:48] <EversW> conferen34, amsn has webcam support, didn't try it though
[21:48] <untitled_> DaSkreech: Ibex mean 8.10?
[21:48] <stdin> jpedroza: or "dpkg-deb --contents package.deb"
[21:49] <Guest44563> could someone plz help me?
[21:49] <DaSkreech> untitled_: yes
[21:49] <jpedroza> stdin: Thanks!
[21:49] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: With ?
[21:49] <jpedroza> Guest44563: I am sure someone can, have you considered counseling?
[21:50] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  my adept mngr quit working
[21:50] <conferen34> did you really get success using amsn?
[21:50] <DaSkreech> jpedroza: Be nice
[21:50] <DaSkreech> !adept fix
[21:50] <jpedroza> DaSkreech: Sorry I couldn't resist. =)
[21:50] <EversW> conferen34, i'm using amsn on my everyday on one computer
[21:52] <conferen34> and do you chat by webcam with othre people that is using ms windows and msn?
[21:52] <EversW> i said i didn't try webcam on it ;-)
[21:52] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: well that didnt work did not do anything
[21:52] <conferen34> ok. thanks
[21:52] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Ok what is broken with it?
[21:53] <EversW> btw
[21:53] <EversW> just tested kopete and my webcam came up by itself
[21:53] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: dont know it just doesnt load
[21:53] <DaSkreech> How are you trying to load it?
[21:54] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: applications add remove
[21:54] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: try alt+F2 -> kdesudo adept
[21:55] <conferen34> my brother uses windows and msn and it's impossible to chat with him...
[21:55] <EversW> conferen34, i've run kopete (just did it), came to preferences, on webcam one
[21:55] <EversW> and my webcam turned on by itself and started to work
[21:55] <urmel291> kde 4.2 packages seem to be in kubuntu-experimental now, just upgrading...
[21:55] <EversW> take a look at it if you want to
[21:56] <EversW> if not, tell your brother to load skype in a moment
[21:56] <stdin> urmel291: I'd give it a minute, some packages are still copying over
[21:56] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: nothing happens
[21:56] <urmel291> stdin: thanks for the hint
[21:57] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: And adept is installed?
[21:57] <conferen34> ok. I'll try. thanks a lot
[21:57] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: yes it just quit working
[21:57] <EversW> you're welcome ;-)
[21:58] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: What happens if you run adept from the command line?
[21:58] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: how do i do that?
[21:59] <DaSkreech> from konsole just type adept
[21:59] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: fatal error occured
[21:59] <DaSkreech> oh dear
[22:00] <DaSkreech> What did it say the error was?
[22:00] <vollerthun> hi
[22:00] <KDesk> The packages for Intrepid will be in the kubuntu-experimental ppa? not in the kubuntu-members or -update?
[22:00] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  The application Adept (adept) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT).
[22:00] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: ok try kdesudo adept
[22:01] <urmel291> KDesk: yes, kubuntu-experimental
[22:01] <lakis1982> is kde 4.2 coming out today ???  they said it would released 27 january
[22:01] <DaSkreech> lakis1982: It's released already
[22:01] <DaSkreech> packages for Kubuntu very soon
[22:02] <sourcemaker> year... kde is available right?
[22:03] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: same thing happend it crashed
[22:03] <randisi> ciao raga
[22:03] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: sudo apt-get remove adept --purge
[22:04] <mefisto_> or just sudo apt-get purge adept
[22:04] <randisi> ciao ciao
[22:05] <gizmobay> I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10. I usually leave a terminal open with multiple tabs. In 8.04, when I rebooted the terminal opened with all the tabs. In 8.10, the terminal opens on reboot but only one tab.
[22:05] <lakis1982> and where i can find it ?
[22:05] <stdin> mefisto_: purge is not a apt-get command
[22:05] <gizmobay> Anyone know how to fix?
[22:05] <lakis1982> how can i install kde 4.2 ??
[22:05] <DaSkreech> !it
[22:05] <lakis1982> i have kubuntu 8.10
[22:05] <stdin> lakis1982: wait, it'll be ready soon
[22:05] <mefisto_> stdin: it is
[22:06] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: list of sources could not be read
[22:06] <stdin> mefisto_: ooh, it is
[22:06] <stdin> that's new, I didn't notice
[22:06] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:06] <mefisto_> should have done purge --reinstall
[22:08] <BluesKaj> ok,  I see that kde 4.2 has 93 software updates available , obviously the upgrade to the "official release" . Has anyone encountered any probs or broken packages
[22:08] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's not all there yet
[22:08] <t-nor> i'm installing all update from kubuntu-experimental repository
[22:09] <t-nor> 4.2 is release on kubuntu-experimental
[22:09] <stdin> no, it's not all there yet
[22:09] <t-nor> what is missing ?
[22:10] <stdin> several things
[22:10] <BluesKaj> are they loading the upgrade into the multiverse repos , stdin ?
[22:10] <stdin> no, it'll be in the PPA
[22:10] <Ishipapiter> hey how do i install KDE 4.2 on Ubuntu?
[22:10] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: E: Type 'http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/games/nexuizhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/games/nexuiz' is not known on line 45 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:12] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[22:12] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:13] <DaSkreech> !paste
[22:13] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  dont know how to
[22:13] <ward_> I was wondering how the packaging needs to be done etc
[22:14] <ward_> is tehere any info on ?
[22:14] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: how to what?
[22:14] <BluesKaj> Guest44563, alt f2
[22:14] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: paste
[22:15] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: ctrl+A -> ctrl+C then go to the website that ubottu mentioned and ctrl+V in the space provided click submit and give us the URL that comes back
[22:17] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  what am i pasting theres no output
[22:17] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: There is nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[22:18] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  here is what i said bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[22:18] <stdin> you probably missed out "kate"
[22:18] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: did you do kdesudo kate ?
[22:18] <DaSkreech> so the full command is kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:18] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  what is kate
[22:19] <DaSkreech> An editor
[22:19] <DaSkreech> !info kate
[22:20] <stdin> if you don't have kate, try kwrite
[22:20] <evox> any eta for 4.2 in ppa?
[22:20] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: no protocal specified cannot conect to x server
[22:21] <SteBoo> evox: I'm just downloading it.
[22:21] <stdin> evox: soon
[22:21] <stdin> there's just a couple things to iron out
[22:21] <stdin> download at your own rusk
[22:21] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: oh wait are you in KDE ?
[22:21] <stdin> s/rusk/risk/
[22:21] <evox> ;)
[22:21] <DaSkreech> ksirk
[22:21] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  yes this is kubuntu chat right?
[22:22] <DaSkreech> Yes But you could be on the virtual terminal
[22:22] <stdin> or a root shell
[22:22] <evox> are ppa's semi official repositories?
[22:22] <Snork> anyone knows if there's a low-disk-space warning in kde 4?
[22:22] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  sry dont mean to be smart just this is so agrvating
[22:23] <stdin> evox: PPA are just apt repositories, the kubuntu-members-kde4 and kubuntu-experimental ones are run by the Kubuntu Developers, so count those as pretty much official
[22:23] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: I see how about alt+F2 -> kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:23] <sinus> hey guys, i killed the "tableau de bord", is there anyone who knows how can i get it back ?srry first time i play with KDE
[22:23] <stdin> evox: PPA's are just quicker than getting it into intrepid-backports (which would take a day or two)
[22:25] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: nothing
[22:25] <evox> I see.  is kubuntu-experimental typically pretty stable?
[22:25] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Does something open ?
[22:25] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: no
[22:26] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: try kdesudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:26] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: command not found
[22:27] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Did you have Gnome installed ?
[22:27] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: no fresh install
[22:28] <Lynx_> Hey! How do I change my audio settings so I can use skype with my mike, but not hear myself? Also, the person I'm calling hears all sounds from my box, like mplayer and so on.
[22:28] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: and no kate ?
[22:28] <DaSkreech> What happens if you just type kate ?
[22:28] <stdin> evox: well, it's a bit "experimental" :) but it won't break anything major
[22:28] <Freddy2> hi
[22:28] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: yeah its weird
[22:28] <DaSkreech> evox: plus having 4 arms is a boon
[22:29] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Ok then ctrl+O and type in /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:29] <mefisto_> sinus: where is "tableau de bord" in kde?
[22:30] <sinus> mefisto: its like the toolbar on the desktop
[22:30] <mefisto_> sinus: the one at the bottom of the screen?
[22:31] <Freddy2> is only me or kde 4.2 crashes every.. 10 minutes on average? i've tried an opensuse-based live-cd, and..
 yes thtas it
[22:31] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: what is cntrl+0 supposed to do
[22:31] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+O
[22:31] <DaSkreech> letter
[22:31] <DaSkreech> It opens a new file
[22:31] <DaSkreech> Or an existing file to be more accurate
[22:31] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: is that a zero or an uppercase O
[22:31] <DaSkreech> not the number 0
[22:32] <DaSkreech> Uppercase O
[22:32] <evox> it seemed so much simpler with debian, unstable,testing,stable repositories :)
i am still aaable to launch a command
[22:32] <DaSkreech> Lowercase workks as well
[22:32] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: K THAT BRINGS UP LOGFILE
[22:32] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Logfile? You mean the apt lists ?
[22:33] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Oh hmm lowercase o
[22:34] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: NO CNTRL+O
[22:34] <DaSkreech> File -> open
[22:35] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: cntrl+o does nothing
[22:35] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Fine From the menu at top file -> open
[22:35] <mefisto_> sinus: I think the command is "plasma"
[22:35] <evox> msg DaSkreech omg!
[22:36] <evox> oops :)
[22:36] <mefisto_> sinus: but I'm not sure. I don't use kde 4 yet
[22:36] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: from what menu?
[22:36] <sinus> mefisto: thank you very much, ill try it
[22:36] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: From kate
[22:37] <DaSkreech> stdin: Go go go go :)
[22:37] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: weres kate
[22:37] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: You said kate opened
[22:38] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: dont even know were kate is y would i say it opened
[22:38] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: press alt+F2 and type kate
[22:38] <stdin> DaSkreech: let me just try a test install to predict any problems
[22:38] <DaSkreech> tell me if anything opens
[22:38] <ciaba83> ciao
[22:39] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: run it or the other option
[22:39] <DaSkreech> Run it
[22:39] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: kk its open
[22:40] <stdin> hmm, not looking like a smooth upgrade :|
[22:40] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Ok now press ctrl+o and type in /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:40] <DaSkreech> stdin: already ?
[22:40] <stdin> some overwrite errors
[22:40] <mefisto_> sinus: did it work?
[22:41] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: ok it came up with list
[22:42] <nferenc> on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 "...you will have KDE 4.2 Release Candidate 1..." RC??? please fix it
[22:42] <DaSkreech> !paste | Guest44563
[22:42] <jimmy51_home> hello, i'm a big fan of kubuntu and the apps it comes with.  i'm installing on an older laptop (celeron 1.33ghz 256MB ram) and the default KDE4 runs like a dog.  i'm installing xubuntu-desktop to switch to xfce.  is that a good idea, or is there something else i could have done to make kubuntu happy on old hardware?
 i am having troubles, i am still loooking around... i hate to be a novice
[22:43] <Evers> jimmy51 that's an old laptop for kde 4, better use 3.5 or, like you said, xfce
[22:43] <jpedroza> jimmy51_home: I have kubuntu-8.10 on an old P4 system, seems to run fine with 1GB ram. I know with KDE4 I have needed decent video cards more than CPU
[22:44] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: xfce is fine
 so it does not work, but i ahve troubles to issue commands
[22:44] <mefisto_> sinus: if you prefer to ask in french you can try the french channel
[22:44] <mefisto_> !fr | sinus
[22:44] <jimmy51_home> i figure i'll just use the same KDE apps, but with xfce as the shell.  will that be problematic with updates?
[22:44] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: KDE is stll in the rebuilding phase so not a lot of time has gone into optimization
[22:44] <DaSkreech> No
[22:45] <sinus> mefisto> thank you for all
[22:45] <jimmy51_home> ok, i'll stick with it for a few weeks and see how it goes.  KDE4 rocks on my desktop these days.  i'll have to get a newer laptop sometime, i suppose.
[22:45] <jimmy51_home> thanks
[22:45] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: ok its pasted but im not sure how to finish sending it
[22:46] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: you clicked the button and it reloaded? then copy the URL from the Web browser and paste it here
[22:46] <DaSkreech> Whoot
[22:47] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: no i copyed the text to pastebin and not sure what to do now
[22:47] <Evers> COOL! at last we have it ;-)
[22:48] <KDesk> So, is it now save to upgrade from the -experimental repo?
[22:48] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Did you click paste?
[22:49] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: i copied the text from kate then pasted it to pastebin
[22:49] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Which pastebin ?
[22:50] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: pastebin.com
[22:50] <jpedroza> Riddell: So how do we update to the final 4.2 if we are running Jaunty Developer?
[22:51] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: and you pressed Send ?
[22:51] <BluesKaj> stdin, I guess i ahve the "Official Release" installed, konq help/about kde : Version 4.2.00 (KDE 4.2.0) , no more RC .. well lets hope it all hangs together :)
[22:51] <DaSkreech> jpedroza: normal update
[22:51] <jpedroza> DaSkreech: apt-get update apt-get upgrade?
[22:51] <DaSkreech> Yes
[22:51] <jpedroza> DaSkreech: Thanks...
[22:52] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.com/md460617
[22:52] <stdin> BluesKaj: RC 2 -> release should be smooth, it's just 4.1.x -> 4.2.0 that may be rough
[22:52] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: ok you are going to have to remove the last line in the file
[22:53] <BluesKaj> stdin , gonna reboot ..we'll see what happens
[22:53] <Frederick> in linux how do I check if a work is actually going to be printed?
[22:53] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: on kate?
[22:53] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: I guess but you need to get it to run as root or save it in your ~ and then move it over
[22:54] <khear> why does the upgrade to 4.2 (on intrepid) bring mysql-server with it?
[22:54] <mitchell> please, about kde 4.2 is i upgrade to it in intrepid, are the translations for all the applications?
[22:54] <Freddy2> khear: maybe amarok2?
[22:54] <Evers> khear, maybe amarok is installing?
[22:55] <mitchell> are the translations available for all the applications?
[22:55] <khear> ut reqyures the whole mysql-server?
[22:55] <arezey> when will kde4.2 be included in the ubuntu repositories?
[22:55] <khear> it requires*
[22:55] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: lets do this the easy way. Remove the last line and save as ~/sources.list
[22:55] <arezey> approximately?
[22:55] <DaSkreech> arezey: Topic
[22:56] <arezey> oh, already packaged.
[22:56] <DaSkreech> Yes
[22:56] <arezey> gee, thanks.
[22:56] <Freddy2> khear: you may use it or not, but it depends on it
[22:57] <khear> Freddy2: will it make the server run always in the background, even if amarok is not running?
[22:59] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: ok did that now what
[22:59] <Freddy2> probably.. maybe you should switch to another dataserver once you can run amarok2
[23:00] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: press the terminal button at the bottom of Kate
[23:00] <Freddy2> also don't forget to check /etc/init.d/rcX.d to see if it launches automatically
[23:00] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: ok
[23:00] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: and then type sudo mv sources.list /etc/apt
[23:00] <aapzak> There is a typo on the 4.2 page ...
[23:01] <aapzak> point 4 is refering to RC1 while it shouldn't
[23:01] <mitchell> please does anybody knows is the translations packages in 4.2 have also been upgraded?
[23:01] <KDesk> maybe Ctrl+F5
[23:01] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: allright now what?
[23:02] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: sudo apt-get update
[23:02] <DaSkreech> Then you can try adept again
[23:02] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: done
[23:03] <ytoox> I got an atheros 9k card and it looses connectivity pretty fast. Can you help me?
[23:03] <mitchell> it happens to me with ath5k
[23:03] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: you are the shizznit thank you so much!
[23:04] <ytoox> mitchell: have you discovered why yet?
[23:04] <mitchell> and also happens with madwifi
[23:04] <mitchell> not really!
[23:04] <mefisto_> well done DaSkreech!
[23:04] <ytoox> mmm, I hate it. Plus the icon always shows mistaken %
[23:04] <mitchell> i've tried using both madwifi and ath5k
[23:04] <ytoox> aha
[23:05] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: There you go :)
[23:05] <ytoox> how do you get madwifi?
[23:05] <euphrate> !tr
[23:05] <mitchell> first of all you need to know is your card is supported
[23:05] <arezey> am here again... i added the PPA repository to my sources list but it seems i'm missing the GPG key? where can it be got from?
[23:05] <mitchell> for example, mine is not supported by the latest stable release
[23:06] <mefisto_> arezey: I don't think there are any for ppa
[23:06] <arezey> well: "W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60487016493B3065"
[23:06] <ytoox> mitchel: I think it is supported because there was a driver from atheros that included native drivers for linux
[23:07] <mitchell> visit www.madwifi-project.org
[23:07] <mefisto_> arezey: but it still works doesn't it?
[23:08] <ytoox> ok
[23:08] <arezey> hmm?
[23:08] <aapzak> mefisto_: I believe this error is new :)
[23:08] <aapzak> and yes, it still seems to be working
[23:08] <DaSkreech> Ok I'm gone!
[23:08] <DaSkreech> Bye
[23:08] <arezey> oh, it indeed does
[23:08] <arezey> thanks
[23:09] <sebr> hey folks, i presume this is common knowledge by now
[23:09] <sebr> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60487016493B3065
[23:10] <aapzak> sebr: We all seem to have it
[23:10] <aapzak> repo still works though
[23:10] <sebr> okay, i'll hang tight
[23:11] <aapzak> or are we being infected with unsigned packages now :)
[23:12] <aapzak> stupid how we all ignore these warnings
[23:12] <aapzak> but hey, very happy with 4.2!
[23:13] <stdin> gpg --recv-key 493B3065 --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[23:14] <aapzak> stdin: that is not working for me
[23:15] <stdin> aapzak: error message?
[23:15] <aapzak> 4 of 'm
[23:15] <aapzak> maybe cut/paste error, brb
[23:15] <aapzak> nope
[23:16] <stdin> oh, I missed an 's' ;)
[23:16] <stdin> gpg --recv-key 493B3065 --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[23:16] <BluesKaj> stdin , now that kde 2.4 is officially released and working ok , should we delete the "experimental" PPAs in the sources.list ?
[23:16] <stdin> then "sudo apt-get update"
[23:17] <earle> harr, updates a-plenty!
[23:17] <earle> let's see if this fixes my knackered login
[23:18] <aapzak> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/110506/
[23:18] <earle> coming in at 1200 kb/s. TASTY
[23:18] <earle> I love computers sometimes
[23:19] <Dezine> I'm trying to upgrade from 8.04 but it won't let me. Checking the sources list it's all set to intrepid but checking the version with cat /etc/issue says 8.04? Dist-upgrade does not work.
[23:20] <stdin> aapzak: gpg --recv-keys 493B3065 --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[23:20] <BluesKaj> Dezine , did you sudo apt-get update after making the changes
[23:20] <Dezine> yes I did
[23:21] <BluesKaj> Dezine , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade   ?
[23:21] <Dezine> Says there's nothing
[23:22] <aapzak> stdin: I'm pretty sure colloquy is messing the line up :)
[23:22] <Dezine> doesn't make any sense, it says it's 8.04 but that there aren't any uptates
[23:22] <gizmobay> Dezine, I did kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[23:22] <BluesKaj> Dezine , pastebin your sources.list pls
[23:23] <stdin> aapzak: try just "gpg --recv-keys 493B3065 --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com" then "gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -"
[23:23] <stdin> no, wiat...
[23:23] <psyco> hey guys, how do i configure my multimedia keys, right now play restarts the track...
[23:24] <stdin> aapzak: stupid gpg: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 493B3065
[23:24] <earle> Pooh, the 4.2 update doesn't seem to have fixed my login issue :/
[23:24] <gizmobay> Check that, I did kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade"
[23:25] <aapzak_> yes stdin , I figured that out, weird that it doesn't wotk the other way around
[23:25] <stdin> aapzak_: probably because it dumb and counts everything after --recv-keys as a key id
[23:26] <aapzak_> I guess so :)
[23:26] <Dezine> oops my bad, misread the sources.list file.. only the first line says intrepid and is commented out
[23:26] <aapzak_> yeay, it worked!
[23:26] <Dezine> thanks :)
[23:27] <aapzak> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 493B3065 && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[23:27] <aapzak> thatone is working
[23:27] <piquadrat> Strange, apt-get only picks up a couple of packages here from the PPA (eg.g system-config-printer-kde 4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2), but everything else stays at 4.1.3
[23:28] <earle> So... anyone have an idea how I should approach this problem? The symptom is nothing happens after submitting the login dialog.
[23:28] <tbr281> so do i go about upgrading to 4.2?
[23:29] <tbr281> how*
[23:29] <stdin> tbr281: read the topic for a start
[23:29] <earle> ooh snap.
[23:29] <tbr281> :P
[23:29]  * earle wonders if #kubuntu-devel might know
[23:29] <earle> wouldn't want to bother anyone though
[23:30] <BluesKaj> earle , do you have a menu at the login page ?
[23:30] <earle> yep - I'm talking to you via the magic of console login
[23:30] <earle> I'll try failsafe, see if that does anything
[23:31] <hfiasuhfawhgr> cant remember i installed mysql but when i upgraded to 4.2 it asked me to enter a new password for root... where comes that from ?
[23:31] <mefisto_> earle: does it just stay at the login page?
[23:31] <psyco> How do I edit the icons that showup in the "mini taksbar thing" I forget the name, it has like amarok, wallet, klipper, kopete
[23:32] <earle> mefisto_: the login dialog goes away and I'm left with the cursor and background.
[23:32] <psyco> *system tray
[23:32] <earle> So it seems like kdm is starting up fine, but something's going doolally at login time.
[23:32] <earle> (Hmm. Failsafe did nothing but flash the screen a couple of times and take me back to login.)
[23:32] <stdin> hfiasuhfawhgr: akonadi-server depends on akonadi-server, you probably only had the client installed
[23:33]  * earle makes some Strong Coffee
[23:35] <hfiasuhfawhgr> stdin: cant remember installing that one either, but thanx anyway ;-)
[23:36] <stdin> hfiasuhfawhgr: akonadi-server is needed by akonadi-kde which is needed by kmail (which comes with Kubuntu)
[23:36] <stdin> aren't dependencies fun :)
[23:36]  * earle kicks his laptop (figuratively)
[23:37] <EversW> hi again ;-) do you know if in ppa -experimental is there support for google gadgets for plasma? i can't find it on the add widgets dialog, and no packages on adept/synaptic
[23:37] <hfiasuhfawhgr> stdin: oh, thanx again, got it !
[23:37] <Macer> hi. does anybody here use a macbook with kubuntu? I am having a hell of a time getting an adhoc network to work with network manager
[23:37] <stdin> EversW: plasma supports it, but you have to download them manually
[23:38] <Macer> i am trying to wifi tether my g1. works fine with my n800 to G1 so the problem is getting the kubuntu macbook to use the adhoc network. when i try to do it manually with iwconfig/ifconfig/dhclient it doesn't seem to work at all
[23:38] <EversW> no menu like in project-neon repository then?
[23:39] <stdin> EversW: you download them then choose Install New Widgets -> Install Widget From Local File
[23:39] <aapzak> goodbye guys, tomorrow (at work) I'll testdrive 4.2 seriously. Thanks!
[23:40] <stdin> kde-look.org doesn't host any google/mac widgets
[23:40] <EversW> stdin: yeah, i was asking because i tried the project neon kde-nightly packages, and there were a plasma google gadget package and add a nice menu on the new widgets to easily and beautifuly add google gadgets widgets
[23:41] <stdin> EversW: it's probably a feature not stable/complete enough for 4.2.0
[23:41] <stdin> neon uses trunk, which has all sorts of things
[23:41] <mefisto__> earle: have you tried creating a new user?
[23:42] <ofv> just finished the upgrade to 4.2 from 4.1.3 and when i log out the screen turns black and nothing happens until i click, then the desktop appears again as it previously was (all apps still runnig, etc)
[23:42] <psyco> Hey, im working on getting KDE 4.2, Step4: # Old Plasma packages are not compatible with KDE 4.2, you should uninstall any plasmoids.
[23:42] <psyco> how would I go about doing that
[23:42] <EversW> stdin: i see, and when you select add widget, no google gadget option there also, just web component, mac os one, superkaramba and plasmoids
[23:42] <stdin> psyco: it only refers to ones you installed manually
[23:42] <EversW> stdin: just trying plain web component?
[23:43] <psyco> oh ok
[23:43] <psyco> so if I didn't i can go ahead and upgrade?
[23:43] <stdin> it's probably the Web Widget, but I haven't tried it
[23:43] <stdin> psyco: sure
[23:43] <psyco> alright
[23:43] <psyco> here it goes.
[23:43] <stdin> ofv: you may have to just ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X, then log back in
[23:43] <earle> mefisto__: Yeah. Trying to log in with that got the same thing, except the background image vanished, leaving a black screen and the cursor.
[23:44] <ofv> stdin: okay, i'll try.
[23:44] <EversW> stdin: thanks, i'll try it ;-)
[23:45] <bopferman> Hello, I just upgraded to kde 4.2 and im having plasmoid problems.  When trying to add any plasmoid I get an error saying This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find requested component: weatherstation.  I did some quick googling but could not find any solutions.
[23:45] <bopferman> Correction: only weather widget and lancelot_launcher
[23:46] <stdin> bopferman: yes, we're working on that
[23:46] <stdin> it's just that the plasmoids need to be rebuilt against the new plasma
[23:46] <sonic23> bopferman: in the release announcement it mentions that old plasmoids will not work.
[23:47] <earle> Hrm! Maybe it's kwin that's having problems.
[23:47] <bopferman> the weather plasmoid is new though.
[23:47] <earle> "kwin is already the newest version." Damn.
[23:47] <sonic23> i havent tried it, but you could try and remove them and re-add them. possibly that might resolve you issue
[23:48] <sonic23> bopferman: have you restarted kde using the alt-e at the login
[23:49] <bopferman> I have not
[23:49] <stdin> the plasmoids not working is a known problem
[23:50] <sonic23> try that. it might not be the fix, but it always good to start off an update with a clean kde load
[23:50] <bopferman> alright.
[23:50] <earle> Maybe I should just reinstall KDE completely.
[23:50] <sonic23> yes id does mention that in the release qannouncement. is that just a kubuntu issue atm?
[23:50] <bopferman> I also noticed when i try to install plasmoid-weather, i get an error about a dependency on libplasma2.  Im not sure if this helps.
[23:51] <stdin> sonic23: the release announcement only means custom installed plasmoids
[23:51] <stdin> just leave it with us
[23:52] <earle> Hurgh! As an experiment I moved my ~/.kde aside. Now I get returned to the login screen. Not sure that's an improvement.
[23:53] <ofv> thought that 4.2 supported moving elements on the taskbar. is there a place that explains how this is suppossed to work?
[23:54] <mefisto__> earle: what about installing gdm and try to log in with that? will gdm work with kde4?
[23:54] <earle> mefisto__: not a clue, but I can try...
[23:55] <stdin> ofv: it only works for widgets that support being on the taskbar
[23:55] <stdin> ofv: try with the calendar widget
[23:57] <ofv> it doesn't work either, but anyways the feature is mostly useless for me if it doesn't support the elements that represent regular applications.
[23:57] <DerStillePete> wow 4.2 rokks...
[23:57] <kelvie> anyone having problems on an intel card changing the resolution with KWin on?
[23:58] <kelvie> it crashes X every time for me
[23:58] <earle> mefisto__: heh... thanks for the idea :) it just drops me into a failsafe xterm :(
[23:58] <ofv> hey! it works for all applications: task manager settings -> sorting -> manually
[23:59] <DerStillePete> but firefox in this beautiful context of 4.2 is ugly as hell....
[23:59] <earle> DerStillePete: have you installed the kde 4 theme for firefox?