[10:50]  * playya  needs ogra's openmoko debugging board
[13:29] <FreeSoul> hi guys, i was looking for a way to ask ubuntu mobile guys to enable CONFIG_LIBERTAS_SDIO, CONFIG_LIBERTAS and CONFIG_MMC to enable Marvell 8686 SDIO wifi card that is on Benq mid s6. It's in kernel since 2.6.24. Thanks everybody
[13:34] <FreeSoul> anyone?
[13:57] <persia> FreeSoul, I filed a bug about that in September.  I'll see if I can find the number.
[13:58] <FreeSoul> oh, thanks persia! can i also have the url? i'd like to make a couple of software requests
[13:58] <persia> FreeSoul, It's bug #274704 : if you know what needs changing to make it work, I'd be happy, as the lack of connectivity on that device is a persistent annoyance.
[13:58] <FreeSoul> that would probably be usefull for anybody
[13:58] <persia> Oh, software requests?  Do you mean new packages?
[13:58] <FreeSoul> yohoo :) thanks!
[13:58] <FreeSoul> uhmmm not exactly
[13:59] <persia> OK.  What do you mean?
[13:59] <FreeSoul> persia: i have a mid and i've tested ubuntu mobile too and there're a couple of things that everybody seems to have forget about: 
[13:59] <persia> I'm not sure "forgot" is the right word, but yeah, I've noticed some things too.
[13:59] <persia> So, what are you thinking?
[14:00] <FreeSoul> we have a touchscreen and we can't take a note handwriting. I don't mean handwriting recongnition, just drawing, taking notes and save them in a graphic format like png, pdf or whatever
[14:00] <persia> Doesn't xournal do that?
[14:00] <FreeSoul> and second: no pin or password at boot time.
[14:00] <persia> Oh, the no password at boot time is a feature.
[14:00] <persia> There's actually some work this cycle to make it possible to have a password for network access, but it still won't ask password at boot.
[14:01] <FreeSoul> yes i mean, if you take my mid you can access personal data and files so a simple authentication would be great, in X, so that we have sw keyboard working and all the rest
[14:01] <persia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mid-display-manager is the spec about enabling support for having usernames and passwords (amoung other features).
[14:01] <FreeSoul> yeah as password at book i mean like the login password to start and X session
[14:02] <persia> There's no real chance of that being turned on.  There's too many people who want it to work without a password.
[14:02] <FreeSoul> uhmmm quite strange :)
[14:02] <persia> You could do an encrypted loopback filesystem for protected data.
[14:02] <FreeSoul> anyway at least password after recovery from standby :)
[14:03] <persia> For instance, I used to keep some passwords on my Zaurus, but I had the file containing the passwords encrypted, so I needed to enter a password to see them.
[14:03] <persia> There's really no chance of that.
[14:03] <FreeSoul> yes but consider concat list, email applications, and so on...
[14:03] <persia> I know.
[14:03] <FreeSoul> anyway ok this is not as necessary as eanbling the wifi driver :)
[14:04] <persia> You could bring it up at the weekly meeting (12:00 UTC on Thursdays), but from previous discussions, I think it's not going to happen.
[14:04] <persia> Alternately, if you want to get involved in the mid-display-manager effort, you might be able to submit some code that could provide an option to enable passwords post-install for those who wanted them.
[14:05] <persia> No, having the hardware enabled is a first-class problem.  We all end up customising our installs anyway, so the selection of software is only a second-class problem.
[14:06] <FreeSoul> sure
[14:08] <FreeSoul> anyway running the live usb image the touchscreen won't work now... it worked until 17 november release.... later i could not test it and now i can't use the touchscreen mouse
[14:08] <persia> What hardware do you have?
[14:08] <FreeSoul> BenQ MID S6
[14:09] <FreeSoul> http://benq.it/products/MobileInternetDevice/?product=1048&page=specifications
[14:09] <FreeSoul> it's in italian but I'm sure you can understand specs :P
[14:10] <FreeSoul> http://www.benq.com/products/MobileInternetDevice/?product=1402&page=specifications the english page :)
[14:11] <persia> That looks suspiciously like the Aigo
[14:11] <persia> I'm going to guess it uses the same touchscreen, for which the drivers are annoyingly closed.
[14:12] <persia> There's been several requests to the driver providers to port to the new X stack, but it's yet to happen to my knowledge.
[14:13] <FreeSoul> persia, i've already come here saying that the benq mid s6 comes with a DVD with full sources of everything that is on the device. kernel, drivers, patches, everything
[14:13] <FreeSoul> so drivers, at least for the benq mid s6, are open
[14:14] <persia> I remember, and I think you and I and Celtiore were looking into what could be used.
[14:14] <FreeSoul> yep :)
[14:14] <Celtiore> hi
[14:14] <FreeSoul> hi there Celtiore
[14:14] <persia> My memory is that there was a binary blob for the touchscreen drivers that didn't work with newer X, and that we didn't have source.
[14:14] <Celtiore> who HL me :p
[14:14] <persia> Celtiore, I did, mentioning that you were part of the conversation that FreeSoul, you, and I had several months ago about the touchscreen drivers.
[14:14] <FreeSoul> guys i've dvd here with me, just tell me where i can put it and i upload it
[14:15] <FreeSoul> of course it has also drivers for g-sensor and for scrollpad
[14:15] <persia> FreeSoul, Does the source you have on the DVD include touchscreen drivers?  Do these drivers compile against the current X in Ubuntu?  Do you have a license to redistribute this source?
[14:16] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, you have already upload it
[14:16] <Celtiore> the dvd don't have the source code concerning touchscreen
[14:16] <FreeSoul> uhmmmm.... you sure??
[14:17] <Celtiore> yes
[14:17] <FreeSoul> uhmm
[14:17] <persia> That matches my memory of the previous investigation as well.
[14:17] <Celtiore> if you want, you can try the last ubuntu 8.04.1 with touchscrenn working
[14:17] <FreeSoul> well, the touchscreen was working a few months ago :)
[14:17] <Celtiore> yes with ubuntu 7.10
[14:18] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: yep i was hoping the driver in 9.04 :)
[14:18] <FreeSoul> with 8.04 it was ok
[14:18] <Celtiore> http://www.midwiki.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=53&func=view&catid=4&id=311&limit=6&limitstart=12#327
[14:19] <Celtiore> here you can find the last official closed driver : http://www.ideacom.com.tw/DR_UTS6680.htm
[14:19] <Celtiore> but not yet 8.10 or 9.04
[14:20] <Celtiore> i send an email, but no answer :(
[14:20] <FreeSoul> uhmmm ok
[14:20] <FreeSoul> it's incredible hardware makes still don't understand the importance of drivers
[14:21] <FreeSoul> ok guys I'll wait some days more since i'm busy at the unviersity now.... I hope someone will solve driver problems for both touchscreen and wifi
[14:22] <FreeSoul> i have to go now :'(
[14:22] <persia> FreeSoul, For WiFi, please comment on that bug with your suggested solution.
[14:22] <Celtiore> all are solved ?!
[14:22] <persia> For touchscreen, it's more a matter of working with the manufacturer to get drivers, unfortunately, or reverse engineering them.
[14:22] <persia> Celtiore, No :(
[14:23] <Celtiore> we can use it with ubuntu 8.04 
[14:26] <FreeSoul> persia: done
[14:26] <FreeSoul> now i go guys, i'm sorry, i gotta study
[14:26] <FreeSoul> c ya soon
[14:27] <persia> Celtiore, Yes, but that's getting rather out of date, and large chunks of MID didn't get properly sorted until 8.10.
[14:27] <Celtiore> sure
[14:55] <Celtiore> i'm sorry but last day i ask which deb contain 'gtk-update-icon-cache', and ogra give me the right package, but i don't remember it :(
[14:55] <Celtiore> who can help me 
[14:56] <persia> There's two easy ways to check.  If you have that, try `dpkg -S $(which gtk-update-icon-cache)`
[14:56] <Celtiore> thanks you
[14:57] <persia> If you don't, try installing apt-file and running `apt-file search gtk-update-icon-cache`
[15:03] <ogra> or dpkg -S `which gtk-update-icon-cache`
[15:03] <ogra> though iirc there is also a debhelper tool for that 
[15:03] <ogra> dh_iconcache ? 
[15:04] <persia> dh_icons, but that solves a slightly different issue.
[15:06] <ogra> "dh_icons is a debhelper program that updates Freedesktop icon caches when needed, using the update-icon-caches program provided by GTK+2.12."
[15:06] <ogra> well, it should provide you the same 
[15:08] <persia> Um, no.
[15:08] <persia> dh_icons creates debhelper maintainer script stubs that call gtk-update-icon-cache
[15:09] <persia> If you want to update it locally yourself, this is different.
[15:09] <persia> You can't call the update at package build time, you need to call dh_icons.  Similarly, you can't call dh_icons on an installed system, you need to call gtk-update-icon-cache (or whichever is appropriate for your environment).
[15:10] <ogra> ah, yeah, you are missing the background :) 
[15:10] <persia> dh_iconcache was a slightly different implementation of the debhelper solution, which was introduced as Ubuntu-local, and is now obsolete.
[15:10] <persia> Ah, true :)
[15:10] <ogra> Celtiore wanted to get rid of a lintian warning :)
[15:10] <persia> dh_icons is the right solution for that.
[15:11] <ogra> right
[16:14] <Celtiore> persia, i have a question 
[16:14] <Celtiore> aigo mid have bluetooth and gps
[16:14] <Celtiore> but i can't find with ubuntu :(
[16:15] <Celtiore> http://www.midwiki.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&amp;Itemid=53&amp;func=view&amp;catid=4&amp;id=345#346