asacsomeone still awake ;)?00:10
ftanot for long00:11
* asac yawms09:08
asacbug 21451909:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 214519 in openoffice.org-dictionaries "English_shouthafrican" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21451909:58
asacyeah ;)10:00
asacthats how language evolve10:00
[reed]isn't that sabdfl's native language? :)10:02
asacits funny, but frequently US folks think that i am from south africa ;)10:02
[reed]you sound German10:03
BUGabundodo they?10:03
asac[reed]: yeah. its funny. Lots of US folks seems to have no feeling for dialects whatsoever ;)10:03
ftaasac, most us folks think think there's just US and another obscure foreign country that don't deserve to exist ;)10:04
asacnot that i am much better ;)10:04
[reed]do I sound "southern", or just generic American to you?10:04
asac[reed]: you have quite a bit of an accent ... definitly american ;)10:05
asaci guess its southern because i know you come from there10:05
asacbut i have other folks from south that talk even more crazy ;)10:05
asacmeaning: you sound more generic i would say10:05
asacthan the other guys I know :)10:06
[reed]I have four English teachers in my family... they demand perfection in usage of the English language.10:06
asac[reed]: that worked out well ... just not oxford english ;)10:06
[reed]fta: did your gf enjoy her present?10:07
asacpresent? gf?10:07
fta[reed], you know i don't expose my life on irc, right?10:07
[reed]sorry, we can take this to /msg if you want :)10:07
asacthats ok ;)10:08
BUGabundoor go to µblogging10:08
asacright :)10:08
asacthats the place to state your internal pain10:08
BUGabundobut fta feels that µblogs should not have comments10:08
asacBUGabundo: did you check what i asked for in the flash mailthread on mt mailing list finally ;)?10:09
BUGabundohavent check email yet10:09
BUGabundodoing MORE debug on pidgin10:11
asacwhat kind of debug?10:11
BUGabundoit crashs with PA, with pecan, with IRC10:11
BUGabundodamn it10:11
BUGabundoasac, trial and error...10:11
BUGabundodisabling stuff and turning it on until crash10:11
ubottuUbuntu bug 321800 in pidgin "pidgin segfault while removing account" [Undecided,New]10:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 317897 in pulseaudio "pidgin crash with Pulse Audio" [Undecided,New]10:12
BUGabundostuff like thatr10:12
BUGabundoi should just being run it with 'time' just to see how long it lasts10:13
asacas long as you keep them reproducible its definitly valuable work10:15
BUGabundoPA is hard to reproduce!10:16
BUGabundoit happens a lot, but i have no idea what tiggers it10:16
BUGabundothe account one, is easy and i've got around it!10:16
BUGabundoi manually deleted the account!10:17
BUGabundofrom accountx.xml10:17
BUGabundoneed upstream it10:17
asac_[reed]: did you ever solve your wireless issues in intrepid?10:18
[reed]802.1x? it's much better now, though I still occasionally get disconnected10:19
[reed]but much, much better10:19
[reed]still haven't recovered all my VPNs10:19
[reed]since you never committed that patch, afaik10:19
asac_[reed]: oops really?10:20
* asac_ wonders where this migration code went10:20
asac_[reed]: are you using the plain intrepid kernel or backport modeuls10:20
[reed]my main problem I'm having right now is that my screensaver will die10:21
[reed]and leave my screen hosed10:22
[reed]and force me to reboot10:22
[reed]that's been happening about 3+ times a week10:22
asac_you run screensaver ;)?10:22
[reed]my computer is on all the time10:22
asac_yeah. i have black screen10:22
[reed]I have a laptop docked with an external monitor10:22
[reed]I should try that10:23
asac_[reed]: or use a non-openGL one10:24
* asac_ assumes its advanced stuff that breaks this10:24
BUGabundoasac_, "See my point?" no10:25
BUGabundoasac_, do i need flash plugin to use the 64 bits plugin?10:26
asac_BUGabundo: heh. well. you pointed out something10:26
* BUGabundo is confused10:26
asac_i asked you about something10:26
asac_and you didnt even bother to try that ;)10:26
asac_the bug you reported were the dangling symlinks10:27
asac_and nothing about 64bits plugin10:27
asac_BUGabundo: and no. you dont need flashplugin-nonfree package for that10:29
asac_but you also must not use that package if you want 64 bits10:29
asac_especially replacing the so manually is rather a bad idea ;)10:29
BUGabundoasac_, since the beggining it was about me replacing it with 64 bits10:29
BUGabundoand found that there were some broken links10:29
BUGabundowhen flash didnt work for ephifany10:29
asac_yes. the broken links is what is interesting to us10:29
asac_the other stuff is you doing something wrong ;)10:30
BUGabundoi did remove the package...10:30
BUGabundoand only then i placed the plugin10:30
asac_BUGabundo: right. so i asked you to remove symlinks manually ... install the package10:30
BUGabundoi followed adobe instructions10:30
asac_and check whether they reappear10:30
BUGabundolet me test that now10:30
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BUGabundoasac, forgot where the plugin is placed10:35
BUGabundogot to make a backup first10:35
BUGabundorm: remove symbolic link `/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so'? y10:38
BUGabundoremoved `/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so'10:38
BUGabundorm: remove symbolic link `/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so'? y10:38
BUGabundoremoved `/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so'10:38
BUGabundorm: remove regular file `/usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/libflashplayer.so'? y10:38
BUGabundoremoved `/usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/libflashplayer.so'10:38
* BUGabundo wonders why installer asked twice for path10:39
asacBUGabundo: please ... remove those manually ... then install flashplugin-nonfree10:43
asacand check that the links dont exist10:43
asacafter that ... go ahead and remove everything and install your adobe thing10:43
BUGabundoasac, the adobe plugin is not installable10:44
BUGabundoi just copy it to location of old nonfree plugin10:44
asacBUGabundo: thats wrong10:45
asacBUGabundo: please first do the stuff10:45
asacthen i can tell you where to put that10:45
BUGabundodeleted, and installed10:46
asacwell ... i think its wrong ...depending on what "location" is for you10:46
BUGabundocheckign now links10:46
asacBUGabundo: thanks10:46
BUGabundoand removing agian next10:46
asacBUGabundo: do the links exist?10:46
BUGabundoCommitting to: /etc/10:46
BUGabundoadded alternatives/firefox-flashplugin10:46
BUGabundoadded alternatives/iceape-flashplugin10:46
BUGabundoadded alternatives/iceweasel-flashplugin10:46
BUGabundoadded alternatives/midbrowser-flashplugin10:46
BUGabundoadded alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin10:46
BUGabundoadded alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin10:46
BUGabundoadded alternatives/xulrunner-flashplugin10:46
BUGabundoCommitted revision 383.10:46
asacthats not what i asked for ;)10:46
BUGabundo$ mlocate libflashplayer.so | more10:47
asaci asked for the dangling stuff in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/10:47
asacBUGabundo: do those still exist?10:47
BUGabundoall links are okay10:47
BUGabundoapt-get remove now10:47
BUGabundoshould i issue --purge too?10:48
asacBUGabundo: yes. but if you remove the package three get left over10:48
asacBUGabundo: shouldnt matter ... just remove it10:48
asacJazzva: ^^10:48
asacnspluginwrapper creates the default locations even though we provide NSPLUGINDIR10:48
BUGabundoCommitting to: /etc/10:48
BUGabundomissing alternatives/firefox-flashplugin10:48
BUGabundomissing alternatives/iceape-flashplugin10:48
BUGabundomissing alternatives/iceweasel-flashplugin10:48
BUGabundomissing alternatives/midbrowser-flashplugin10:48
BUGabundomissing alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin10:48
BUGabundomissing alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin10:49
BUGabundomissing alternatives/xulrunner-flashplugin10:49
BUGabundodeleted alternatives/firefox-flashplugin10:49
BUGabundodeleted alternatives/iceape-flashplugin10:49
BUGabundodeleted alternatives/iceweasel-flashplugin10:49
BUGabundodeleted alternatives/midbrowser-flashplugin10:49
BUGabundodeleted alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin10:49
BUGabundodeleted alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin10:49
asacthose are not interesting ... the other links are10:49
BUGabundodeleted alternatives/xulrunner-flashplugin10:49
BUGabundoCommitted revision 384.10:49
BUGabundoand i'm left with broken links now10:49
BUGabundols: cannot access /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so: No such file or directory10:49
BUGabundols: cannot access /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so: No such file or directory10:49
BUGabundolrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 57 2009-01-27 10:39 /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so -> /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree//npwrapper.libflashplayer.so10:49
BUGabundolrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 57 2009-01-27 10:39 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so -> /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree//npwrapper.libflashplayer.so10:49
BUGabundodo i remove those manually now asac ?10:52
asacBUGabundo: bug 32181410:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 321814 in nspluginwrapper "nspluginwrapper creates "default" links even though NSPLUGINDIR is set" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32181410:52
asacBUGabundo: go ahead10:52
asacwhatever you do, just do it ;)10:52
BUGabundonow, where should i place flash adobe 64 bits so all my system can use it?10:54
BUGabundoopera, ephifany, FF3.xx etc?10:54
BUGabundoasac, ^^^^^^^^11:00
asacBUGabundo: try /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/11:01
asacotherwise opera probably wont use it11:01
BUGabundono need for alternatives input?11:02
asacBUGabundo: depends. if you dont have any other flash stuff installed then no11:02
BUGabundoepi is working11:05
BUGabundotesting opera,fennec and konq next11:05
BUGabundokonq Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.11:06
BUGabundofennec works11:07
BUGabundoopera works11:07
BUGabundoso its only konquer that doesnt11:07
asacBUGabundo: not sure about konq, but you have to update the known plugins db in the preferences dialog somewhere i guess11:11
BUGabundono mather11:13
BUGabundodont use it much!11:13
BUGabundojust checking11:13
[reed]asac: did you know VirtualBox uses XPCOM?11:42
asac[reed]: really?11:54
[reed]asac: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Developer_FAQ11:58
StevenKHi guys! I've packaged up webfav which is used by Ubuntu Netbook Remix, and would like to team maintain it, I guess it needs to all go into bzr like the guide says?12:51
asacfta2: remind me to push 460913 when tree opens after b3 freeze13:06
asacStevenK: yes that would be good13:06
fta2mozilla bug 46091313:06
ubottuMozilla bug 460913 in Build Config "Installer shouldn't copy xulrunner files into Firefox install directory" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46091313:06
asacStevenK: using full source upstream branch ... you create that with med-xpi-unpack13:06
asacfta2: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/Firefox/ ... RESTRICTED ;)13:07
StevenKasac: It doesn't include a .xpi, it's just a .jar13:07
asachmmm ... but doesnt affect firefox ... so maybe its good13:07
StevenKasac: If you want to prod the tarball, I can point you at it13:07
asacStevenK: please do a tar tzf | pastebinit -i - ;)13:08
asacyes point me to it13:08
StevenKasac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/110278/ ; https://edge.launchpad.net/webfav/+download13:09
asacStevenK: ok. is launchpad the place where thats maintained?13:10
StevenKasac: Yes. I'm not sure if upstream have a bzr branch13:11
asacStevenK: using .xpi's is usually easier as it will allow us to update extensions in batches. if you cannot rely on the .xpi (e.g. its not released, has binary components or doesnt include a license file), remember to place good instructions in the package on how to get new upstream tarball13:12
StevenKasac: I prod upstream, which are the OEM guys13:12
asacin anycase, use a .upstream branch like described on wiki13:12
asacin your caes the BUILD_COMMAND probably is just build.sh13:12
asacso you can use xpi.mk without many changes13:13
asacStevenK: all clear? questions? ;)?13:14
StevenKasac: Nope13:14
StevenKasac: Actually, yes. What do I set the maintainer to?13:14
StevenKasac: And is a binary package name of webfav acceptable?13:14
asacyes thats a good name13:15
asacStevenK: maintainer ... i think we use ubuntu dev for that13:15
asaccheck other extensions in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions13:15
asacor whatever is on wiki ;)13:15
asacMaintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>13:15
StevenKAh, just MOTU13:16
asacfor now yes13:16
asacgive me a heads up when ready ... would also like to upload it to debian13:16
asacotherwise at some point debian introduces their own package13:16
StevenKasac: It's used for netbook-launcher, it doesn't make sense for Debian13:17
asacmozilla Bug 47144313:19
ubottuMozilla bug 471443 in Blocklisting "permanently blocklist VLC plugin" [Blocker,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47144313:19
asacStevenK: you never know ;)13:19
fta2bug 18349213:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 183492 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Open Komodo Edit" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18349213:21
StevenKasac: Hehe13:22
StevenKasac: I will deal with branches tomorrow and prod you when I'm ready13:22
StevenKasac: Uh, if I push it to ~stevenk on LP, then only I can upload to the branch ...13:33
asacStevenK: once its reviewed by us we will push it to ~ubuntu-dev13:38
asacStevenK: use that proactively as the Vcs-Bzr: header in control13:39
StevenKRight, noted13:39
asac.... i think thats also in the xample in wiki and XPI.TEMPLATE13:39
asacStevenK: if XPI.TEMPLATE or wiki has somehting wrong for that let me know so we can fix that for future13:41
StevenKasac: It should mention that it will get pulled to ~ubuntu-dev so that other team members can change it13:42
asacStevenK: well. the XPI.TEMPLATE control should just be correct  ;)13:48
StevenKasac: branch pushing13:48
Jazzvaasac: Ok, thanks for the notice. I'll look why npw does so on Saturday, after the exam, if that's not too late.13:49
asacJazzva: thats fine13:50
asacthe bug is milestoned so we will remember :)13:50
Jazzvayeah :)13:51
StevenKasac: So, shall I go to bed or stick around to upload webfav? :-)13:58
asacStevenK: if its good i will sponsor it for you if you want13:59
StevenKasac: I'm a core-dev13:59
* StevenK hasn't need a sponsor for a while13:59
asacStevenK: heh ... still i can sponsor you while you are in bed13:59
* asac would be happy if everything got sponsored for him13:59
StevenKasac: You saw where the upstream tarball is, so sure, go nuts14:00
asacStevenK: thats good ... can you use bzr bd --merge --export-upstream=. --export-upstream-revision=1 --builder='debuild -S' ?14:00
asacStevenK: just upload ... its fine14:01
asacStevenK: err14:01
StevenKbzr: ERROR: unknown command "bd"14:01
asacStevenK: now you used mobile developers?14:01
asacStevenK: apt-get install bzr-builddeb14:01
StevenKasac: So it seems, let me fix that14:01
asacStevenK: thanks. feel free to add yourself to XSBC-Original-Maintaainer14:02
asacwhich means that you will be the contact ;)14:02
StevenKMaybe I'll add you :-P14:02
StevenKasac: Maintainer change pushed14:02
asacStevenK: ok cool. next time kep stuff UNRELEASED and makea  final RELEASE X.x.0ubuntu1 to ubuntu/jaunty commit14:05
asacStevenK: go ahead14:05
asac(i assume you tested it :))14:05
StevenKIt builds, which is what I care about right now14:05
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ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: January 27 2009, 16:30:09 - No meetings scheduled16:30
pochuhey hey folks!16:33
asacpochu: hi16:33
asacpochu: so on top of ubuntu2 its probably that max version is 1.9.* ... which should be 1.9.0.*16:34
asac(in the glue code)16:34
pochuisn't that already patched in jaunty?16:34
pochuasac: removing 1.9.1 did the trick16:36
pochugonna check the NM issue16:36
pochuasac: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20544157/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.liferea_1.4.23-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz16:38
pochuUse X Session Management........ : yes16:38
pochuthat's it16:38
pochuUse DBUS........................ : yes16:38
pochuUse NetworkManager.............. : no16:38
pochuGNUTLS SSL/HTTPS Support........ : yes16:38
pochumaybe the -dev package for NM changed16:38
asacpochu: in the glue code in liferea there is a test for 1.9.* or even 216:40
asacchange that to 1.9.0.*16:40
asacpochu: hmmm ... in mozsupport.cpp ... there already is 1.9.0.*16:41
asacso 1.9.1 shouldnt hurt16:41
pochuit did :)16:44
asacpochu: check that you are really running that version16:46
asacit was fixed at some point16:46
asacbecause of exactly your issue16:46
pochuI have 1.4.23-0ubuntu116:46
pochubut I don't really use this VM a lot, maybe it's something wrong with it16:47
pochuI've updated it and rebooted before trying though16:47
bugabundo_is anyone going to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.1/+bug/30556716:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 305567 in firefox-3.1 "ALT+1-n wont change tabs" [Undecided,New]16:50
bugabundo_any time soon?16:50
pochu   PKG_CHECK_MODULES([NM], [dbus-glib-1 libnm_glib],enable_nm=yes,enable_nm=no)16:52
pochuIt's failing there16:52
pochubut AFAICS both libnm-glib-dev and libdbus-glib-1-dev were installed16:52
pochuand they provide dbus-glib-1.pc and libnm_glib.pc16:52
pochuand configure is called with --enable-nm16:54
* pochu wonders what he is overlooking16:55
pochuaha! found it :)16:59
* pochu comments on the bug16:59
bugabundo_self discussion helped u16:59
fta2asac, do you still have your mini 9 ?17:00
fta2asac, does it do 3G ?17:01
pochubugabundo_: heh17:01
whiteasac: do you have time to reply to my email?17:01
asacseems now17:02
asacfta2: you need a modem on top17:03
asacnot sure if they are built in somewhere yet17:03
pochuasac: I've added an NM task to #32147317:04
fta2asac, i wondered where to stick the SIM card in, so basically, i understand you can't17:04
asacbug #32147317:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 321473 in liferea "liferea doesnt handle network-manager online/offline state" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32147317:05
asacfta2: you can17:05
asacfta2: the slot is there ... its just that the pci card isnt built in by default17:05
asacthe slot is hidden under the battery17:05
bugabundo__asac, i once asked you if NM allowed long PUKs17:05
bugabundo__never got a reply back17:05
fta2oh, a SIM slot under the battery. well, why not. I was trying to figure out if i need my 3G USB card with a dell mini 9/10/12 or if it is native and just needs the SIM card17:06
asacfta: you need a PCI card for mini 9 ... i think the new ones have that integrated17:19
asacfta: its a mini-pci card17:19
asacmaybe you can select it on dell website as "with modem"17:19
asacif you have such a card you can just push the SIM into the battery slot17:19
pochuView->Threads->Threads with Unread rocks :)17:22
asacpochu: thats what i am doing on my massive bugfolders ;)17:34
asacstill doesnt get much less it seems :)17:34
pochuMark all as read17:34
pochuthat should help ;)17:34
asacyeah ... ctrl+g ;)17:36
asacor something17:36
asacshift g17:36
asac(by thread17:36
* asac goes shgathering food17:36
[reed]fta: do you need 460913 on 1.9.0, too?23:39
[reed]or just 1.9.2 and 1.9.1?23:39
ftamozilla bug 46091323:39
ubottuMozilla bug 460913 in Build Config "Installer shouldn't copy xulrunner files into Firefox install directory" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46091323:39
asac1.9.0 isnt that important23:40
asacas long as we fix stuff in current dev trees that should be good enough23:40
asacafter all we ship the patch already ;)23:40
ftayes, agreed23:40
asacimo we shouldnt put that work on the "stable" update process. ... especially since we are the ones asking for an even more strict stable branch policy ;)23:42
ftadonno what's happening with ppa builders, it's impossible to build anything today23:42
asacfta: then upload to archive ;) ... there are surely sponsoring bugs open with low hanging fruits ;)23:42
asacif you do a bunch you appear on th ehall of fame ;)23:42
ftayou know i'm not looking for fame23:43
asacits still a good thing to do ;) ... you probably remember how it feels to wait for a sponsor ;)23:44
asacand making other shappy feels nice ... especially if they are thankful ;)23:44
ftai still have so many things undone in my list :(23:45
asacyeah ;)23:45
asacjust wanted to point out that no need to wait for builders ;)23:46
asacfta: so in 4 weeks its feature freeze23:46
ftai'm not really waiting, i just wanted gwibber to be done so i can call for testers before i push to the team ppa23:46
asacwe should probably think about what we want before23:46
asacfta: just push to team ppa ;) (my opinion) ... its not really that the changes are that intrusive ;)23:47
ftai wanted the 1.9.1 test suite to be ok for b3, at least xul, if not ff23:47
ftai wanted at least a preview of openkomodo, i'm stuck with the siloed python and have no more time to spend on this for now.23:49
asacfta: is the preview really bound to archive feature freeze?23:50
ftaupstream contacted me to boost the chromium package, they want to ship something regularly23:50
asaci expect that this will be in ppa anyway23:50
ftano; it's not23:50
asacok so its not important to in this "what to do before feature freeze" discussion23:50
ftai wanted to (re)start doing daily builds of xul/ff23:51
ftai wanted to finish the -qt merge23:51
ftaand more23:53
ftaasac, lol, that's a start :)23:55
asacfta: start doing it23:55
asacok activated23:56
asacthe ppa ;)23:59
asacand µblogged ;)23:59
asacfta: i would really prefer that we get all the daily scripts to some place ... so that someone else can run them too23:59

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