[00:15] /usr/sbin/unhide [ Warning ] [00:15] is that bad? [00:16] charlie-tca: my comp is acting up [00:18] charlie-tca: ubuntu server version and regular version whats the difference? [00:21] knome [00:21] what do you mean 'regular version' [00:22] on the website there's a server version and a non server whats the difference [00:24] the cd will have a different selection of packages. The installed system will not have a gui, and will offer an install open to setup lamp [00:26] a clean install for 8.10 would be my best bet in my case [01:35] Anybody know how to force the vesa driver from command line, I just can't remember how to do it. [01:37] blankthemuffin: i think you have to add Driver "vesa" to the appropriate place in the xorg.conf file... [01:37] or even where xorg.conf hides, I can't remember that either. [01:37] /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:37] something like this: http://rafb.net/p/CFChZV36.html [01:37] thanks [01:38] Except it seems to be totally empty / unused [01:38] How does the Live CD pick a driver? [01:38] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow [01:38] that is a very basic xorg.conf file i pastebinned... [01:39] I know what xorg.conf looks like, just this one is all empty. [01:39] blankthemuffin: then one you have? or the one i pastebinned? [01:39] min [01:39] e [01:39] oh yeah. you must be using 8.04+ [01:39] blankthemuffin, what version of Xubuntu are you running? [01:39] I'm trying to install 8.10 [01:40] the newer xorg can do some automagical autodetecting via hal... [01:40] I might clarify that it's an ongoing problem with my graphics card and the open source nv drivers. The drivers fail without fail so I need to install the real nvidia drivers or switch to vista before I can use the installer. [01:41] cody-somerville, it says that the resource is locked, so I presume the installer wants it. [01:42] I should file a bug about it somewhere, it's been like this since ubuntu 6 and probably before. [01:55] haha [01:56] I got it to work! Played around in the command line to mount a disk, then installed the nvidia drivers to memory. :) [02:24] saluton [02:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 5 DaemonXP [02:25] errrr [02:25] wrong window [02:25] sorry [02:25] * DaemonXP runs and hides [02:26] I have a technical question regards to my comp [02:28] Mooch: what's your question? [02:28] !ask [02:28] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [02:28] :) [02:29] ever since I downloaded updates my comp is freezing and when I turn my computer off I get a no input signal its annoying and I don't want my hard drive to die [02:30] Mooch: what version of xubuntu are you using? [02:30] 6.06 LTS [02:30] yes very old [02:30] :) [02:30] I must be the only one [02:31] any special reason why you are still using that version? things have improved a lot since late 2006. [02:31] even though that release still gets updates, the overall system has improved a great deal since then. [02:31] well at the moment I am trying to get the 8.10 cd I just requested one. I can [02:32] can't download it because I do not have broadband [02:32] sure... understood [02:32] did you request a xubuntu cd? [02:33] I emailed the Loco team close to me for a xubuntu cd gonna wait for a response [02:33] oh, ok [02:33] what is your problem now? just random freezes for no apparent reason? [02:34] yeah earlier when I was on this channel it was freezing bad [02:35] I did a recovery mode to get my modem to work with the older Kernel version because when I downloaded the updates my modem driver would not work with 2.6.15.53.k7 [02:36] my modem won't detect [02:36] :( [02:36] I don't know if its the recovery I am doing that is causing this or what [02:37] and you just downloaded regular updates? [02:37] have you ever used "automatix" or anything like that to help set up your computer? [02:37] yeah can't download printing updates it throws my modem out whack [02:37] Does compix work with xfce? [02:38] I think that messed up my comp last time [02:38] blankthemuffin: it's hit or miss... some people have had luck with it, but it's kind of hack-ish, if you ask me. [02:38] Mooch: what messed up your comp last time? [02:38] automatix [02:38] blankthemuffin: that is, combining compiz with xfce [02:39] Mooch: automatix does a lot of bad stuff, unfortunately. [02:39] Mooch: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html [02:40] I gotta a PCtel modem and I don't know what driver I need to work with this Kernel version [02:40] the person who wrote that was one of the main contributors to ubuntu for a while, and now i think he works for red hat - very smart guy [02:40] oh really [02:41] hmm [02:41] Automatix has been dead [02:41] for years even [02:42] I hate linmodems I do wish I had broadband [02:42] I think Feisty was the last version supported by Automatix, the repos aren't even there anymore [02:42] I winded up reformat when I tried to get automatix [02:42] mmm ok j1mc [02:42] DaemonXP: they resurrected it somewhat recently, iirc. [02:42] I'll have a go, the xfce compositor looks nice, but I like my blur and desktop cube. :D [02:43] still crappy, though, and Mooch is running 6.06... automatix was around then. [02:44] j1mc: should I just downgrade my kernel version to work with this modem driver? [02:45] I was on the site where my modem drivers are for linux but very vague descriptions [02:46] this driver was posted to work with this kernel version [02:48] j1mc: what should I do? [03:45] Hello everyone, I'm an Xubuntu newbie and I have a question. I changed my resolution to 1280x960 and for some reason the fonts and window sizes scaled to my new resolution rather than remaining static as I would have assumed they would. Is there a way to get the windows and font sizes to revert to their default sizes? [04:24] j1mc: Automatix? Ewww, why would they bring that back? [04:36] i reeeeeeeeeeeally need help getting into my windows computer's public folder from my xubuntu computer [04:37] any1 home? ^_^' [04:37] * ball nods [04:37] lol [04:38] anyway how do i get into a windows computer's public folder from a computer running xubuntu? [04:39] Chaoman: not the normal way [04:39] sudo apt-get install fusesmb [04:39] I don't know Xubuntu well, butit sounds like a job for Samba [04:39] wats fusesmb [04:41] Chaoman: SMB, for fuse [04:41] ok wats fuse? im still new to this im tryin to learn an operating i just insalled [04:42] lc2: does fuse run on the Xubuntu end? [04:42] Chaoman: filesystems in userspace, not something you care about [04:42] ball: it works, apparently, that's all i know [04:42] Chaoman: once you have it installed [04:42] you should be able to do something like [04:43] oh wtf, hold on [04:43] * Chaoman eats blankthemuffin while he waits [04:43] oh, yeah, you might need to do modprobe fuse first of all [04:43] and then [04:44] mkdir network; fusesmb network/ [04:44] I'm going to have to backup my document files and reinstall Xubuntu. [04:44] theoretically, you should be able to view all systems on your network by looking in the network/ directory [04:44] ball: no, you won't [04:44] lc2: I will you know ;-) [04:44] ball: you said "had to", you never have to [04:44] unless you've done something really silly [04:45] Chaoman: that's not to say that you'll be able to access those hosts if they require a password, but, that's the general idea [04:45] I found that fusesmb crashes or something with thunar [04:45] you'll have to make yourself a ~/.smb/fusesmb.conf if you want to do that, as far as i gather [04:45] 1) dont worry i know a password its my machine [04:46] so you might be better off with the other one which I can't remember. [04:46] brb [04:46] smb something something [04:46] Chaoman: 1) you'll still have to put it in your fusesmb.conf [04:46] i can't imagine there's not a way to do this from a gui though [04:47] 2) is there a way to hack my dad's computer and put a text file on his desktop? [04:47] just to prove to him all machines r hackable [04:47] if it's a windows box, the answer is yes, they always are [04:48] yeah thats wat i meant all windows boxes are haxable [04:48] (last week, i installed xubuntu for someone who was terminally pissed off at windows after their XP install got rooted and turned into a spam-spewing botnet drone) [04:49] linux boxes are secure as you want them to be. so is mac but apple is shit [04:49] damn iphones [04:50] Chaoman: anyway, http://linux.die.net/man/5/fusesmb.conf [04:50] if you understand that, that'll be helpful [04:50] if you don't, welcome to linux! ;) [04:51] skip ahead to "example" to spare the tl;dr [04:53] my machine wont show (||_||) but the rest of the network will :D [04:53] Okay, If I have Ubuntu Server and Xubuntu, is nfs the natural choice for networked filesystem? [04:54] Chaoman: yours won't [04:54] ball: no, nfs is a pile of crap [04:54] i meant my windows machine [04:54] lc2: what would you use? [04:54] ball: sshfs [04:54] Chaoman: oh. [04:55] interesting [04:55] its got windows 7 beta and i chose "home network" [04:55] Hmm, okay. [04:55] it mentioned homegroup [04:55] i also turned on sharing, public folder enabled [04:55] Chaoman: i haven't a clue when it comes to windows 7, alas [04:56] stick around and someone else might know [04:56] damn (-.-)*sigh* [04:56] ball: seriously, NFS makes for a good lesson in how to fail at unix, but that's about it [04:57] nfs= bad ntfs= shit vista=the GREAT MIGHTY POO [04:57] lol [04:57] fat is between ntfs and vista [04:57] Does sshfs require anything special on the server end, or just sshd [04:57] ? [04:57] ball: just sshd, one of the reasons i like it so much more [04:58] * ball nods [04:58] Chaoman: ntfs is actually pretty good, but i'd rather not use windows if i'm given a choice [04:58] Anything special I need at the client (Xubuntu) end? [04:58] ball: fuse and sshfs [04:58] thats wat i meant. if indows uses it, automatic shit [04:58] windows [04:59] wow, i need to get my eyes tested, i only just realised your nick isn't "chapman" [04:59] * lc2 was doing c [05:00] u need to stop using google glasses [05:00] and i'm already at 28pt fonts. :/ [05:00] they have augmented reality google correction [05:00] Is it possible to change the name of Xubuntu's user? [05:00] should be [05:01] ball: tell me what you really mean by that question [05:01] i cant remember how but i have done that in *ugh* slackware [05:01] lc2: I have a Xubuntu box with one user account. I suppose I'd like to add a second user, rather than renaming the first. [05:01] useradd? adduser? [05:01] ball: then add another user [05:02] ball: applications -> system -> users and groups [05:02] much easier [05:02] ;D [05:02] ah okay, thanks. [05:02] :D [05:02] but yeah, adduser if you're brave [05:02] or if you want to just rename one, go ahead and edit /etc/passwd [05:03] adduser + experienced linux user = fail! adduser + noob = epic fail! [05:03] lol [05:03] you'll probably find yourself with the userid of 1000, near the end of the file [05:03] I'll look for the GUI whotsit. [05:03] good plan [05:04] ...though I'm tempted to install from scratch, start with a blank slate. [05:04] a few months ago i would have been like, "be a man and edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group" [05:04] so any advice on windows hacking with xubuntu? [05:04] ball: that's overkill [05:04] Chaoman: no, not really [05:04] how easy is it startig out? [05:05] Chaoman: dunno, i grew out of that like, ten years ago [05:06] don't you ever forget your windows password or something? [05:06] Chaoman: no, but i had to deal with a laptop i had to fix without being given the admin password [05:06] but there's a brute-forcer for windows passwords out there, stick a cd in the drive at boot and it'll come back with a list of accounts and passwords [05:06] pretty neat [05:07] ophcrack, btw [05:08] * ball finds himself in #scriptkiddies [05:08] same here. i reformatted it cause the owner forgot all the passwords. [05:08] ball: ten years ago you would have been right :P [05:09] Ten years ago I was deciding on an operating system. [05:10] i hate having to w8 till wednesday for muffins, so...... [05:10] blankthemuffin:munchmunchmunch (OwwO) [05:10] well, that was strange [05:11] ........ [05:12] ? [05:12] cloggage [05:12] in the series of tubes [05:12] munch..........munch............munch........... wats goin on? [05:12] ball: ten years ago i did pretty much the same thing, just my brother wasn't altogether impressed finding himself with a debian box iirc [05:13] but yeah, then i went back to windows for a few years again, then the lunix beckoned me home [05:14] mmmmmmmm blank flavour [05:14] lc2: I tried Linux, but it wasn't ready back then. [05:14] lc2: so I settled on NetBSD [05:14] fail [05:14] ball: hey i did freebsd for a while, up until less than a year ago [05:14] * lc2 wonders exactly when [05:15] drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 2008-06-02 01:04 /usr/ [05:15] six months! [05:15] lol, installing at 1am ;\ [05:15] damn, netsplits [05:15] oops dats me [05:16] ball: same [05:18] my dad keeps sayin "whyre u usin dat? u dont know how" i said "its easier than windows" [05:18] Chaoman: haha yeah, and the thing is, you're not altogether wrong [05:18] ?? [05:19] lc2: Ubuntu seems to have a good supportive community too. [05:19] survey says: question mark [05:19] lol [05:19] Chaoman: the only thing that sucks about xubuntu, is that it doesn't auto-mount any NTFS drives/etc upon boot, and doesn't deal with network shares too well [05:20] ball: it does [05:20] lc2: wouldn't that depend on your fstab? [05:20] yea but my laptop has 512mb ram [05:21] ball: yes, and that doesn't take away from the fact that it should do the right thing, by default, and it doesn't [05:21] if it has to generate an fstab at install/boot, then it should do that [05:21] lc2: in my opinion the right thing is not to mount NTFS by default. [05:22] at least it supports as much swap as you can give it, unlike winshit [05:22] ball: i don't think the right thing, for most people, is to have to google up some command-line arcana in order to get to the stuff on their windows disks/partition [05:22] * ball nods [05:22] ball: but hey, i don't care personally, since i don't have a windows partitiion ;D [05:22] Somewhere between the two is a GUI tool to enable people to mount a Windows partition r/o [05:22] just sayin' [05:22] ...but not automatically [05:23] lc2: I don't have MS Windows on any of my machines. [05:23] ball: yeah, that doesn't sound like a bad idea, or maybe an install-time option [05:23] ntfs-3g is pretty wining these days [05:24] winning* [05:24] what we really need is clippy! [05:24] "It looks like you're dual-booting! Would you like me to mount your Windows drive automatically?" [05:25] I'm off to try to install Xubuntu on a spare machine. [05:25] also i got my ntfs-formatted flash memory usb stick mounted pretty quickly on my own. now aything ntfs will mount automatically (sometimes may fail due to certain drives' errors) [05:25] ball: have fun! [05:25] thanks [05:25] Hopefully I'll reach a point where I can get back on irc. [05:25] already did so with fat [05:26] Chaoman: there was someone in here the other day having issues with that [05:26] (summary: always safely eject your drives) [05:27] sudo mount device mountpoint [05:27] if that fails, add -o force [05:27] you shouldn't even need to do that, i don't think [05:27] not with a usb disk [05:28] some things wont automount [05:28] if theres an errr [05:28] *error [05:42] This machine has 512M of RAM [05:42] well, depending on what you're doing, but no, you don't need that much [05:43] * lc2 has 384 ;D [05:43] blender [05:43] 1 Gbyte swap should be plenty for most people, surely? [05:43] blenderrrrrrrrrrr [05:43] Chaoman: ah, that might be different [05:44] well, if you have 8gb of disk space that you know you'll never use, then don't let me discourage you [05:44] 8GB of swap is wayyy enormous [05:45] Okay, one document file worth saving [05:45] hello Daviey! [05:45] yeah, but if you're doing 3d rendering i can see that it might make sense [05:46] That's wierd: I don't see Ekiga in the menu [05:46] ive also got an external 8gb drive sitting o the floor that has ready swap but i dont feel like pluggin it in and turnin it on rite now [05:46] in fact its all swap [05:46] so theres another 8gb i can plug in [05:46] ball: applications -> network -> ekiga softphone? [05:47] Chaoman: swap over USB? [05:47] why does that strike me as a horrible idea? [05:47] ... dunno [05:47] but 1394 b sounds better [05:47] probably because it is [05:48] lc2: it's not tere [05:48] ball: strange. [05:48] hell any firewire is better than usb1.1 [05:48] lol [05:49] Ugh... this feels odd. [05:49] i think tin cans/string are better than usb 1.1 [05:49] (^w^)Zzzzzzzzz [05:49] ball: what does? [05:49] yeah but this laptop is old [05:49] it most likely aint got 2.0 [05:49] lc2: Xfce ;-) [05:50] its a pcg-fxa53 [05:50] ball: oh :) [05:51] Add/Remove tool doesn't seem to want me to remove anything either. [05:51] ball: hm [05:51] Ah, found something it'll let me remove. [05:52] i wish i could get a computer from israel. i heard they got computers in homes faster than the us military's best computer [05:52] Chaoman: unlikely. [05:53] ......... ok then.......... [05:53] just not from china. thats shit [05:53] japan = 1337 [05:53] it doesn't matter where it's from [05:54] as long as theres no lead paint for kids to chew on [05:54] lol [05:54] heh. [05:54] brb xmoto [05:54] oshit bladder critical [05:58] phew my room almost got a fresh coat of yellow paint [05:58] lol [05:58] lol [05:58] rofl [06:01] oh nice [06:03] Resisted the urge to reinstall. Will try adding a new user. [06:03] ball: that seems like the more sensible option [06:04] This machine's a bit sluggish. [06:04] what cpu? [06:05] 550 MHz Pentium III Coppermine [06:05] assuming my windows machine is just any old windows, how do i make my linux machine see it? [06:05] ball: ..oh my [06:05] Chaoman: the way i showed you [06:05] lc2: I have a 700 MHz machine sitting next to me, but that's a pain in the butt to install anything on. [06:06] i meant i can see the others but just the one wont show up [06:06] That reminds me, I need to add Ekiga to the menu [06:07] Chaoman: then there might be a configuration problem with that machine [06:09] ive been changin its configuration. do i have to do something special to update what the linux box can see? [06:10] Chaoman: do you have a share from the Windows box? [06:10] you might want to mount and unmount the mountpoint [06:10] fusermount -u whatever/ [06:10] yes its the public folder [06:11] lc2: ill try [06:11] then remount it with whatever that command was [06:11] * lc2 forgot [06:11] * lc2 notes it's 6am :/ [06:12] lc2: Blighty? [06:12] ball: yessir [06:12] lc2: good man/woman/bot. [06:13] thank you sir/madam/term of address for bot [06:13] I'm British, but I'm in the U.S. [06:13] ball: where abouts were you from? [06:13] (sir btw) [06:13] lc2: Wiltshire originally, also lived in Wales for many years. [06:13] ball: ooh. [06:14] obligatory quip about sheep goes here [06:14] wiltshire is nice, i've heard [06:14] ntfs vs exfat which is better [06:14] There are sheep in both Wales and Wiltshire [06:14] Chaoman: ext3 [06:15] NTFS vs exFAT [06:15] exfat? [06:15] baka [06:15] exfat is made up [06:15] ??? [06:15] "exFAT (Extended File Allocation Table, aka FAT64) is a proprietary file system suited especially for flash drives, introduced by Microsoft for embedded devices in Windows Embedded CE 6.0 and in their desktop operating system, starting with Windows Vista Service Pack 1." [06:15] apparently not, ball [06:16] so which is better:ntfs or exfat [06:16] New to me. I only know FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 [06:16] Chaoman: for disk? [06:16] for hdd [06:16] ntfs probably [06:17] brb, rebooting [06:17] Chaoman: for your purposes, if you want to plug it into a linux box, no [06:17] use ntfs [06:17] no i meant in general [06:18] Chaoman: idk [06:20] HI, yesterday I downloaded and installed xubuntu 8.10 from a alt CD thinking that sound might work when I get the latest version, but unfortunately it turns out that the sound card is not supported..so I need to get alsa right? can anyone guide me as how to get and install the latest alsa or to cheack if its already there? BTW I use Toshiba L30, I need to add one more thing, last time i.e. when I used xubuntu 8.04 LTS and clicked to increase the sound it incr [06:20] eased (but the sound never came out), this time as soon as I increase the volume, it gets back to 0% Automatically, Now after trying a commands i came to know I already have alsa, so whats the problem with sound? [06:20] Andyy: first up, hi [06:21] Hi [06:21] Andyy: secondly, lsmod | grep snd [06:21] Ugh. Webcam seems not to be working now [06:21] then paste the results at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for us all to admire!1 [06:22] ball: define "not working" [06:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/110155/ here you go [06:23] "Error while opening video device Camera" [06:24] Andyy: at the risk of sounding condescending, install kmix (which has a mute button), and ensure it isn't muted [06:25] lc2: i.e. sudo apt-get install kmix? [06:25] Andyy: yessir [06:25] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:092c Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Chat [06:25] Andyy: and i'm really not being condescending, i spent a good hour or two last week trying to "debug" sound on another box, it was muted all along [06:26] ball: what are you using to test it? [06:26] Ekiga [06:26] lc2: 50MB, will take some time :P , ahh lets hope it was muted here so I can unmute it and play sound :P [06:26] Andyy: 50mb?! [06:26] lc2, yeah kmix [06:26] oh, KDE depdendencies [06:26] lc2, is there a problem? or did I do it wrong? [06:27] dependencies* [06:27] Andyy: nope, you've just not installed any KDE stuff before, so it has to install a bunch of stuff that all KDE apps depend on [06:27] i hope you're not on dialup [06:27] :) [06:27] lc2, nop I am on broadband [06:27] Andyy: winrar [06:28] lc2, winrar? [06:28] Andyy: it's like winnar, but less so [06:28] lc2, oh okay ... [06:28] ball: try xawtv [06:28]