earleJudging from the lack of response to my query I guess I asked in the wrong place... sorry to bother you all.00:01
smarterearle: you can look into ~/.xsession-erros00:03
smarter~/.xsession-errors actually00:03
earleAh, thanks. I'd been looking at /var/log/kdm, which didn't show much.00:03
tarimariRiddell: sorry. i just ask here because i suppose you the developers know better what should be used, since it was just released. you as experienced user and developer, which one you propose?00:03
earleHm, not much to go on in that log file.00:06
smartertarimari: we're probably going to drop guidance-power-manager support, since powerdevil is officially supported by KDE00:06
tarimarithanks smarter00:08
tarimarii just understood how powerdevil works. it is much better00:09
tarimarisee u00:09
tarimariso guidance is only for kde. what ubuntu gnome uses?00:09
=== _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde
tarimariis this a bug? : powerdevil thinks that i have 3 batteries ..lol. i just have one00:32
earleEr guys... if you have a symlink in your ~/Desktop to /home/yourname,00:47
earledon't try moving it to the trash from your desktop view plasmoid.00:48
earleIt moves the TARGET directory.00:48
* earle narrowly avoided trashing his whole home directory00:48
earleI'd rate that as a serious bug....00:48
seeleearle: i assume it was symblically linked?00:56
earleYeah. ln -s /home/earle /home/earle/Desktop/home00:57
earleI was getting rid of it because of the new Home.desktop.00:57
earleThankfully the trash refused to accept my 60GB homedir :)00:57
* JontheEchidna has a theory00:57
JontheEchidnanevermind my theory, I can't reproduce the problem01:02
earleI'll go file a bug - upstream would be the best place, I guess?01:03
JontheEchidnayes, but you might have to wait a bit01:03
JontheEchidnatheir servers get hammered so they traditionally shut down the bug tracker on release day01:04
earleYeah, I can understand that. Cheers.01:11
earle(Incidentally, this is the most awesome window manager ever)01:12
seelehuh, of all the blog entries i've written, i'd have thought the last one would spark lots of discussion through commenting01:12
seelemaybe it *was* too long..01:12
claydohScottK: I had changed that, loos like I missed a couple of screenshots02:35
ScottKclaydoh: I think it's a great piece of work.02:35
ScottKI hope someime like jjesse_ or nixternal will pick it up as a basis for an update in kubuntu-docs02:36
seeleanyone else using 4.2 have weird sizing issues with krunner?02:37
JontheEchidnaWhen I initially upgraded krunner started resizing to the full width of my screen02:37
JontheEchidnabut then I removed ~/.kde/share/config/krunnerrc and everything was fine02:37
claydohScottK: I hope to be able to help in the docs area, at least a little02:44
tvakahokay, what package do I need to nuke to get rid of the damned "application has crashed" popups?02:50
tvakahthey only serve to cause continual pain to my system tray, which is flakey enough as it is02:50
=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse
JontheEchidnatvakah: sudo apt-get remove apport-qt should do it02:59
JontheEchidnakonq-plugins is being very pleasent to update03:00
JontheEchidnanew binary packages, a patch that disables some plugins that no longer applies (and actually some plugins in the patch no longer need disabling)03:01
JontheEchidnaa ton of changed file names03:01
ScottKWindows is so flipping counter intuitive.03:14
jjessewhy now?03:14
ScottKI have an HP printer on a Jet Direct box on my network03:15
ScottKI needed to print from Window XP.03:15
jjessebut you didn't have the write drivers?03:15
ScottKOn Kubuntu it all just automagically works.03:15
ScottKThat's just the start.03:15
ScottKI start with "It's a network printer"03:16
ScottKIt can't find it for anything.03:16
ScottKI download drivers.03:16
ScottKNo help there.03:16
ScottKIt turns out I have to set up a local printer, bind the IP address to a port, select the driver, and then it works.03:16
jjessewow that's wierd03:17
ScottKHow the heck is Grandma supposed to do that?03:17
ScottKKubuntu since at least Feisty it just - bam - works.03:17
ScottKIt's not like HP Jet Direct is a new or obscure approach to things.03:18
yuriyis it much older than 2001?03:18
yuriywp says yes03:19
* ScottK tries to remember.03:22
ScottKIt's newer than that.03:22
ScottKI got married in 2001 and I got it after.03:22
jcastroScottK: on vista and 7 that just works btw (printer detection)03:22
jcastroit's still not as nice as our thing though03:23
ScottKjcastro: Interesting.  I've never used either.03:23
yuriyScottK: but jetdirect first came out in 199103:23
ScottKThe only times I've used Vista is trying to help people out with stuff a couple of times.03:23
ScottKI couldn't do it.03:23
ScottKThis is, BTW, one of the great features of Vista IMO: If you have Vista, I'm not your free tech support.03:24
jjessei've never had printer problems in vista03:24
ScottKI was trying to help get WiFi set up.03:25
nhandler_jjesse: I only had printer problems with my Brother brinter. My HP printer worked out of the box with Ubuntu03:25
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jcastroScottK: wifi is routinely broken so it's no surprise.03:25
ScottKI finally concluded that they should leave it unecrypted because it was just too frickin hard.03:25
JontheEchidnaI always have had to configure my LaserJet 4L with a printer config tool, but it's never been a hastle. (This printer could be as old as me)03:25
ScottKGood printers though.03:25
ScottKI remember when they came out.03:26
JontheEchidnabut unlike the cheap printers of today, this one still works and has only had to get a part replacement once03:26
yuriyclearly a bad product for selling printers03:26
jcastroI have a 4100, love it to death03:26
ScottKRight, but HP is in the paper/ink business and they know it.03:26
* vorian is in the marke for a new printer03:37
vorianmarket even03:37
ScottKCan go wrong with a used laserjet 3 or 4.03:38
ScottK5 was crap.03:38
* claydoh got a free brother b&w laser printer from work becuse "it stopped working" so they replaced it :)03:46
* claydoh tool it home, clean it a little, plugged it in and been printing fine ever since03:47
claydohthey had a repair man look at it lol it was just a low toner!!!!03:48
claydoheven the tech didn't catch that03:48
JontheEchidnaScottK: I've updated konq-plugins for the 4.2.0 release, here's the revu link: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=konq-plugins04:14
nhandlerjjesse: Why are you using REVU for an upgrade?04:15
nhandler* JontheEchidna04:16
JontheEchidnawhy not? It's well suited for the task04:16
nhandlerJontheEchidna: REVU is not meant to be used for upgrades. You are meant to file a bug on LP with the .diff.gz04:16
ScottKnhandler: Technically that's right, but there's no harm either.04:17
JontheEchidnathis is part of the KDE release, which we don't file reports for anyway04:17
ScottKActually not quite.04:17
ScottKREVU is not currently used for upgrades.04:17
ScottKIt was designed for it and was for some time.04:17
nhandlerIt used to be used for upgrades iirc04:17
jjessei was like what the heck i have no idea what you were talking about nhandler04:17
ScottKThe upgrade bugs are a convenience for coordinating work.04:18
ScottKWe have another workflow in this team, so the upgrade bugs are just pointless paperwork.04:18
JontheEchidnaapachelogger always says he'd prefer that whenever I ping him for an upgrade review so I thought I'd try it04:18
* ScottK too.04:18
vorianwhen did kpovmodeler go to main?04:20
ScottKJontheEchidna: Looks like that one was 'fun'.04:23
JontheEchidna[22:00:20] <JontheEchidna> konq-plugins is being very pleasent to update04:24
vorianScottK: when you are done with that one, can ye check http://machine-crusade.net/kpov/ please :)04:26
ScottKSure thing04:26
ScottKLike I didn't get enough FTBFS mail flooding my inbox today04:27
* JontheEchidna should have gone to bed a while ago... nighty night04:27
voriannn JontheEchidna04:29
JontheEchidnaI have done build and runtime testing, to a degree04:29
* JontheEchidna out04:29
a|wenRiddell: the intrepid instructions on kubuntu.org (bullet 6) mentions "KDE 4.2 Release Candidate" instead of "KDE 4.2"04:43
ScottKMaybe ryanakca is awake.04:46
ScottKHe can fix that.04:46
ScottKJontheEchidna: Uploaded.  Thanks.04:46
ScottKRiddell: konq-plugins will need some Binary New.04:46
* a|wen supposes he got the message now04:46
a|wenScottK: btw, i'm pretty sure i've found a solution for the crashing in kmail 4.1.4 ... found a 4.2 commit fixing the equivalent crash; i'll try backporting and testing04:47
ScottKvorian: Yours is test building.04:48
ScottKvorian: Congrats on the dkim-milter security upload.  Is that your first?05:07
ScottKvorian: Why do we still need the transitional package?05:15
ScottKMy vote is drop it, so I'm not uploading this.05:15
ScottKPlus it's late and I'm tired or I'd just fix it.05:16
torkianoScottK: minimize to tray in quassel now works in your latest PPA, thank you05:17
ScottKtorkiano: Yes.  Thank Sput and Egs.  They fixed it, I just packaged it.05:19
* ScottK tosses https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmoid-toggle-compositing/0.2.1-0ubuntu5/+build/849179 to NCommander, just as a reminder.05:48
ScottKSomeone go wake up JontheEchidna and tell him he's a MOTU!06:11
jjessecongrats JontheEchidna06:12
NCommanderYay, he's an MOTU :-)06:12
jjessei thought he was one already?06:12
* jjesse shrugs06:12
freeflyingapachelogger: arounds?07:28
Arbyrelease announcement on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 ends with08:31
Arby"When you log in you will have KDE 4.2 Release Candidate 1. Enjoy. "08:31
Arbylikely to cause confusion :)08:31
vitalWhen will all kde4.2 packages be built for jaunty? right now there is a mix of 4.1.96 and 4.2.0 :)08:32
Tm_TArby: ouch08:32
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ArbyTm_T: indeed, not sure who to bug to fix that08:55
ArbyRiddell: do you have access to fix the website ^^08:55
a|wenArby: already tried to bug both ryanakca and Riddell about it, but none were awake09:37
Tonio_hi there10:11
Tonio_can someone test the kepas plasmoid ? it crashes plasma on my side...10:11
Tonio_hum new upstream version released anyway.... testing10:16
Tonio_Riddell: we should take care of "simon", looks very neet app for the usability part...10:19
Tonio_Riddell: kmplayer is released as stable for kde4..... packaging10:21
Tonio_Riddell: we still miss the konq plugin on that side10:22
* stdin already has a patch ready for 4.210:22
freeflyingTonio_: kepas in repositary?10:23
stdinwho thinks adding the paste.ubuntu.com pastebin to the Pastebin applet would be a good idea?10:26
Tm_Tstdin: I think it's really good idea10:26
stdinwant to a quick code review? http://pastebin.com/f6c00ec25 make sure I haven't done anything stupid10:29
stdinit's still early10:30
stdin^ I followed the coding style of the author, which I'm not too keen on10:35
Tm_Tstdin: #plasma btw10:36
Tm_Tstdin: shame I cannot help on this myself10:36
stdinTm_T: I didn't really touch any of the plasma stuff, it's just a "backend" that sends data to the server10:37
stdinthis plasmoid would be perfect for python-plasma btw, then adding paste servers wouldn't require editing 5 files and recompilation...10:38
* stdin tries a test build in his ppa10:38
Tm_Tstdin: that IS plasma stuff (:10:39
Tm_Tstdin: it's plasma service, right?10:39
stdinTm_T: the applet uses abstract classes that just do the HTTP stuff, with KIO10:40
Tm_Tstdin: hmmm, dunno really10:40
Tm_Tstdin: still, #plasma is good place, there's authors of pastebin plasmoid too10:40
stdinlet me see if it works first, I don't want to look dumb :P10:41
EagleScreenwhat happens with kweather plasmoid in Kubuntu? It is installed but does not figure in widgets list, so it cannot be added/used10:49
Tm_Tstdin: you can't look dumber than aseigo10:50
Riddell"Jonathan Thomas has become a MOTU." yay10:59
Riddellthat took a while10:59
Tm_TRiddell: indeed (:10:59
Tm_TI still try to avoid being a motu11:00
Tm_Tespecially now that family and school are taking my time during these winter months11:00
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vorianScottK: ok, i'll remove the transitonal package11:22
vorianScottK: yes, that was my first security update11:22
* vorian is stranded for the moment due to an amazing ice storm11:24
* smarter waves12:12
smarterany big-problem-that-should-prevent-me-from-upgrading-my-dad's-computer-with-4.2 appeared or is it mostly safe? :]12:12
Riddellsmarter: seems mostly safe12:15
seelesmarter: no problems here and i usually always have problems upgrading :)12:16
smarterseele: great12:16
* smarter upgrades, since it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostly_Harmless :]12:16
apacheloggerfreeflying: now12:23
freeflyingapachelogger: any plan to push choqok into debian?12:31
* a|wen thx smarter for reminding him that he has the hearing play of the hitchhikers12:31
apacheloggerfreeflying: no, not while I am on vacation anyway :P12:31
smarterok, upgrade from 4.1.3 to 4.2 only wants to remove libkipi0 and libkipi512:32
apacheloggersmarter: also it should want to remove libplasma2 and kdeplasma-addons-data12:33
apacheloggeror -lib12:33
apacheloggersomething with plasmaadd at least ;-)12:33
freeflyingapachelogger: so later? :)12:37
apacheloggerfreeflying: well, if you feel like pushing it to debian, feel free to do so12:38
ghostcubeguys hello and a question12:39
ghostcubewhy is the plasma panel blue with compiz12:40
ghostcubein 4.212:40
Riddellthat's artwork for you, full of colours12:40
smarterit's blue without it too12:40
smarterit takes the color of the background12:40
* smarter likes it :)12:40
ghostcubehow to get rid of this blue thingy lol12:40
ghostcubei want opacity panal12:40
smarterget a black wallpaper? :p12:41
ghostcubei have one12:41
ghostcubestill blue12:41
ghostcubethats why i ask12:41
smartertried using kwin composite?12:41
ghostcubeshouldnt matter12:41
ghostcubecompiz does real alpha opacity too12:41
smarteryou''l have a transparent background12:41
ghostcubei dont want to use kde4 effects12:42
smarteranother option is using a different plasma theme(try Aya, supposed to be good and follow the colors you've chosen in systemsettings)12:42
ghostcubei have 3 diferent ones12:42
ghostcubeno opacity12:42
ghostcubeits just not working only the base panel12:42
ghostcubethe others work12:42
ghostcubeas you can see all works only base panel gets still blue12:44
ghostcubethis cant be12:44
ghostcubeand thsi only happens with compiz it wouldnt be nice if kde4 is trying to get rid of compiz by doing such starnge things12:46
smarterdon't get paranoiac, plasma devs probably don't use compiz at all12:48
earleAh yes, I'd been meaning to ask if anyone else had had compiz stop working.12:48
smarterthere is no if ( hasCompiz() ) { borkDisplay(); } :p12:48
ghostcubei asked in #kubuntu more than me noticing this12:48
ghostcubesmarter, ok i will believe you :P12:48
earleOh oops, this is -devel, sorry.12:49
apacheloggerjust no one cares about compiz12:50
apacheloggerand since the compiz devs are mostly gnomies they don't care about kde12:50
apacheloggerso they keep on patching gnome to work, but don't care about kde12:50
apachelogger...not like the gnome devs would care much about compiz either :P12:51
ghostcubeapachelogger, i know you dont like it but as i sayd in kubuntu-de its not a i hate kde4 effects or i hate compiz thing12:51
ghostcubeits just both are there both doing the same12:52
apacheloggerI don't hate it12:52
earleHeh, as long as *someone* patches up compiz to work with 4.2, I'll be happy.12:52
apacheloggerit is just a waste of resource12:52
apacheloggerand I can understand anyone who doesn't want to support it as well as kwin or metacity12:52
ghostcubeapachelogger, ok thhis could be biut we startet with beryl in supporting and we still support the guys not running kubuntu :)12:52
ghostcubebut the problem is why the panel stopped being transpa with 4.2 thats all and only the base panel apachelogger the rest works fine12:53
ghostcubeits no secret that the compiz devs arent the best once for ongoing coding lol12:53
ghostcubethey are a bit strange by having theire ideologies12:53
apacheloggerghostcube: because no one cares about compiz12:54
ghostcubeapachelogger, :P12:54
apacheloggerwell, novell probably does12:54
apacheloggerthat's about it12:54
Arbyghostcube: it could well be just that none of the plasma devs are aware of the issue.12:54
Arbysince it's them that will need to fix it12:55
Arbyso I would check bugs.kde.org for any known12:55
ghostcubeoh damn i always forget the plamsa channel12:55
Arbyand if not then file one12:55
Arbyeither they'll fix it or they'll say no12:55
Arbybut that would be the best course of action :)12:56
ghostcubehmm i ask in plasma maybe first i havent found any bug for plasma and compiz till now12:56
ghostcubeon bugtracker12:56
Arbysounds like a good idea12:56
* Arby --> gone again12:56
stdinoh noes! "KDE TechBase has a problem"12:58
ghostcubeok pronblem fixed13:02
ghostcubei love #plasma from now on13:02
ghostcubei must remember not to bother you here for plasma errors13:03
apacheloggergood idea :P13:04
jussi01sebas_: nice work on the nm-plasmoid. working well with wpa-psk here :)13:07
sebas_It's mostly Will's work, I just did UI bits13:07
jussi01sebas_: ahh, well say well done to him then :) (Im not sure of his nick)13:09
ghostcubeok then i can say kde 4.2 is nice :) guys good job13:09
earleyeah, it's very tasty13:11
apacheloggerjussi01: wstephenson13:12
earleghostcube: hmm, I see there are broken packages for compiz-kde13:12
ghostcubeearle, i have git version13:12
earleI can't be bothered to faff around with version control to get my fix :) I'll hang on for working packages.13:13
sebas_jussi01: bille or wstephenson :)13:15
sebas_I'll thank him13:15
jussi01:) thank you.13:15
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seeleScottK: Sput: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/110843/13:54
ghostcubeah ScottK is there any news for the SRU fix of the xserver error that produces this garbage for new opened apps or windows :)13:57
ryanakcaScottK: pong14:07
ryanakcaScottK: ah, nevermind, *fixes*14:08
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ScottKghostcube: Nope.14:18
tvakahso what's up with kdepim in jaunty, it's still looking like 4.1.96 here14:19
ScottKseele: Weird.14:22
ScottKSput: ^^^ Suggestions on seele's problem?14:22
SputScottK: missing sqlite support in Qt14:22
tvakahjussi01: how'd you get a working nm-plasmoid?14:23
ScottKRight, but she's running vanilla Intrepid which certainly does have that.14:23
jussi01tvakah: grabbed svn, compiled, added to the taskbar, rebooted, it worked14:24
tvakahjussi01: ahh so no package then, gotcha14:24
jussi01ScottK: seele IIRC install libqt4-sql-sqlite14:25
ScottKThen if that fixes it I get to figure out why that isn't in depends.14:25
rgreeningnm-plasmoid is built somewhere. Tonio_ built and submitted one.14:25
jussi01rgreening: is it updasted though? the fix to make it work was today or yesterday14:26
seeleThe following packages have unmet dependencies:14:27
seele  libqt4-sql-sqlite: Depends: libqt4-sql (= 4.4.3-0ubuntu1.1) but 4.4.3-0ubuntu1.2 is to be installed14:27
seele                     Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4.4.3-0ubuntu1.1) but 4.4.3-0ubuntu1.2 is to be installed14:27
seeleE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).14:27
seele-f it?14:27
seeleit wants to remove quassel, heh14:28
jussi01err, what?14:29
* jussi01 is furiously trying to remember if thats the correct package, Im not certain, but pretty sure14:29
ScottKseele: You need to install it from intrepid-proposed14:30
seeleoh, damnit14:30
* seele will have to mess with it later14:30
ScottKSo reeanble intrepid-proposed and then update and then apt-get -f install should fix it.14:30
ghostcubelooks good now :D14:42
ghostcubebut mother earth is heavy cpu killa14:42
smartercompiz cube? you know that kwin has one too know? :]14:52
ghostcubewhere have u seen thats a compiz cube :D14:54
ghostcubesmarter, i know this :) i will try it if but i luv my compiz :)14:56
ScottKIs there a distro where KDE is the actual prime focus?15:06
seeleisn't that kde-only?15:08
ghostcubesuse ?15:08
seelethey offer both, i dont know if they suggest a default15:08
seelethe gnome option might be selected by default15:08
ScottKSuSE is officially neutral now.15:08
ghostcubeoh ok :)15:09
ScottKBut since Novell is very Gnome, that's the trend.15:09
Tm_Tseele: definately not Mandriva15:09
ghostcubepclos ?15:09
seelethere is a popular one that does it, i just dont know what it is15:10
Tm_TKubuntu ?15:10
ghostcubeslackware :-?15:10
ScottKTm_T: See the "We don't care if our hack breaks KDE, it makes compiz faster" discussion on #ubuntu-devel.15:12
NightroseArk is KDE only15:12
Tm_TScottK: sorry, I'm not there atm15:12
ScottKJust as well.15:12
Tm_TScottK: throw me with logs15:12
ghostcubehmm hack kills kde makes compiz faster oO havrent noticed this15:13
ScottKThat's the argument for this patch that causes the window garbage.15:14
ghostcubeon fc it brakes kde too15:14
ghostcubeand this two distries are the onlyy ones doing this15:15
ghostcubeand no debian user told me that his gnome with compiz is any faster than on ubuntu15:15
ghostcubenah the opposite15:15
ghostcubesince what time is nome so compiz friendly15:16
Tm_TKwin here is faster than Compiz15:16
Tm_Tand more usable15:16
Tm_Tbut bah15:16
ghostcubeTm_T, i havent noticed any really speed issues on debian or ubuntu with or wthout patch so i dont get this what they telling lol15:17
apacheloggerScottK: we could just remove the patch :P15:19
ScottKIt's been removed in Jaunty.15:19
ScottKI can't do an SRU unilaterally.15:19
ScottKIt needs pitti to accept it.15:20
apacheloggerwell, there is a ppa for intrepid15:20
apacheloggershould do for now15:20
apacheloggercounting days until 9.04 :D15:20
seeleScottK: what is the apt line for intrepid-proposed?15:21
RiddellScottK: Qt isn't watching this issue, we should file a bug with them to have them look at it15:22
ScottKThat sounds good.15:22
ghostcubedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-proposed main restricted universe multiverse15:22
ScottKseele: Just add -proposed after your existing one.15:22
ScottKor what ghostcube says.15:22
ryanakcajjesse: ping, Will you be around in a few hours so we can sort out help.kubuntu.org?15:24
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jussi01seele: did you get that issue fixed?15:33
seelejussi01: yes, -proposed worked15:45
jussi01seele: and adding that package fixed quassel for you?15:45
seelejussi01: using -f installed sql and it fixed it yes15:45
seeleer, whatever that package was15:46
seelesql-lite or something?15:46
jussi01ScottK: so you need to add that to the depends methinks15:46
jussi01seele: libqt4-sql-sqlite15:47
seeleSput: so i think the quick and easy fix to quassel start up is to have the Configure Networks dialog open by default. so users immediately know to configure irc and connect it.  the only change that needs to happen to the existing configure networks dialog is some type of "Connect Now" button or functionality15:47
seeleSput: also, either a) the Configure Networks dialog needs to be slightly larger or b) the Configure Identities dialog needs to be slightly smaller -- when you click on the configure button the dialogs overlap and you dont realise what happened15:48
seeleSput: it's hard to tell there are now two configure dialogs, it looks like the dialog got replaced.  having different window sizes will help that15:49
seeleanyone else having plasma performance problems?15:53
Tm_Twhat kind of performance problems?15:53
seeleplasma is periodically really slow to respond, yet other applications are responsive, and i'm not swapping15:54
Tm_Tdoesn't happen here, what plasmoids you have?15:54
seelei'm using the autohide for one of my bars and sometimes it takes a few seconds for it to appear or reappear15:54
seelejust the standards shipped ones15:54
Tm_Tand those are...15:54
rgreeningseele: yes. I think its X related.15:54
seelergreening: hum.. is there a quick fix by chance?15:55
ScottK seele: Are you using KDE 4.2 on Intrepid?15:55
rgreeningI updated and there were some new updates15:55
seeleScottK: yes15:55
rgreeningthat seemed to help15:55
rgreeningsome libxcb packages I believe.15:55
ScottKOK.  I'm going to try and build X without this Fedora hack.  If it's helps I'll put it in my PPA.15:56
seelergreening: ah.. yeah i've updated15:56
rgreeningand rebooted since15:56
seelehmm i must have.. i dont see the reboot icon15:56
seelei know ive restarted x at least15:56
rgreeningx updates may not request reboot15:56
Tm_Tseele: reboot anyway15:57
seeleoooh, ok15:57
* seele reboots anyway :P15:57
rgreeningI noticed Xorg was taking 10-20% CPU. Not its back to normal15:57
ScottKa|wen: How's Kmail with your patch?15:58
a|wenScottK: i'm just going to test it now ... is moving test-packages to my laptop now15:59
rgreeningapachelogger: whats the correct way to force kbuildsycoca4 to be run after app removal?15:59
Riddellooh, first comment on slashdot KDE 4.2 story "I've been tracking the 4.2 betas on Kubuntu's repositories, and the final release is working very nicely."16:03
rgreeningnice to get some positive feedback16:05
a|wenScottK: success ... kmail stopped crashing16:10
Tm_Ta|wen: it's broken now16:10
a|wenTm_T: we're talking kde 4.1.4 in intrepid16:11
Tm_Ta|wen: yes but if it doesn't crash, it's broken, right?16:11
ScottKa|wen: Excellent.  Shoot me a debdiff/patch.16:11
* ScottK waits for X to build ....16:12
a|wenTm_T: haha, sure thing :)16:12
* a|wen wraps everything up nicely16:12
RiddellScottK: you're building X?16:18
ScottKRiddell: Yes.  Without the bloody Fedora hack.16:19
ScottKMore specifically xorg-server16:19
seeleis that the patch that creates the artefacts in qt rendering?16:20
seelehmm.. i owe you a beer friday :P16:20
ScottKIf it fixes it for me, I'll push it to a PPA.16:20
Tm_TI don't get those with my current nvidia drivers16:20
* ScottK has no Nvidia.16:20
larsivi__do you guys know if there are changes in how dark themes are handled in the web browsers in 4.2?16:23
Tm_Tlarsivi__: what web broswers exactly?16:24
larsivi__Tm_T: well first it was only konqueror, but with some update it suddenly was messed up in firefox too16:24
larsivi__Tm_T: the problem is that most sites with forms don't handle forms properly and so bg and fg colours are the same16:24
Tm_Tlarsivi__: firefox does color handling itself16:25
larsivi__mine is black as the night16:25
Tm_Tlarsivi__: for Konqueror, it's partly broken websites16:25
ScottKThat wasn't so bad.  Way faster than kvirc to build.16:25
larsivi__when most sites are "broken", then the browser needs to do the right thing (which is not being stubborn about standards or something else vague)16:25
Tm_Tlarsivi__: most browsers force defaults16:26
Tm_Tlarsivi__: you can do that with Konqueror too16:26
Tm_Tlarsivi__: but it's just merely sweeping trashes under the carpet16:26
larsivi__Tm_T: really? it wasn't possible the last time I checked16:26
larsivi__there is a very long bug report on kde.org about it16:26
larsivi__long and old16:26
Tm_TI know16:26
Tm_Tlarsivi__: check settings part mumbling about css or stylesheet16:27
larsivi__Tm_T: it fixes body bg colour for most sites, but not all forms16:27
larsivi__if any forms16:27
a|wenScottK: debdiff @ bug 31915116:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319151 in kdepim "kontact crashes when I select the gmail inbox folder" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31915116:28
Tm_Tlarsivi__: you have to force both background AND foreground colours16:29
larsivi__Tm_T: although I am somewhat capable of it, it should not be the users responsibility to mess with css to get a web browser that is usable16:30
larsivi__(one that I cannot use for banking cannot be considered usable)16:30
Tm_Tlarsivi__: aye, really this is problem with every browser out there some way or another16:31
larsivi__anyway, this page ( http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 ) seems to suggest that kde 4.2 in kubuntu is only release candidate in the Bugs section16:31
Tm_TRiddell: ^^16:31
Tm_Tlarsivi__: broken site designs, that's what it is16:32
apacheloggerrgreening: none16:33
Riddelllarsivi__: I can't see that16:33
apacheloggerrgreening: kded watches the kservice directory for changes and executes buidsycoca upon change16:33
apacheloggeror at least I think it is kded ;-)16:33
larsivi__Tm_T: seriously, much more than half of the sites I use (need to use) are broken for me, and then I feel there needs to be an easy fix/workaround in the browser16:33
Tm_Tlarsivi__: I agree16:34
larsivi__Riddell: "There probably will at least a few bugs with this release and it is recommended that you do not file bug reports against the packages in this release"16:34
Tm_Tlarsivi__: to me, somewhat useful solution with Konqueror is to use custom css as a base16:34
Riddellthere probably will be :)16:34
Riddellbut right, that should be upated16:34
larsivi__Tm_T: I did install a custom css from that ticket, but it isn't good enough - I suppose it could be updated further16:35
Tm_Tlarsivi__: I use my own custom css16:35
larsivi__Tm_T: feel like sharing? :)16:36
Tm_Thmm, sure, though it's on my other computer, so you have to wait16:36
larsivi__no problem, I've had this issue since 8.10 was released ...16:36
rgreeningapachelogger: It doesn't appear to be running correctly for me in Jaunty then (at least with the kvirc4 package install/removal - kmenu doesn't update)16:43
ScottKThis is SOOOO much nicer.16:43
apacheloggerrgreening: well, it takes some time16:43
rgreeningapachelogger: how much?16:43
apacheloggerrgreening: but > 1 minute would indicate some brokeness somewhere16:44
rgreeningapachelogger: I waited minutes16:44
ghostcubeScottK, ??16:44
rgreeningapachelogger: I'll time it next time.16:44
apacheloggerrgreening: well, then start kded with debugging and find out what went wrong :P16:44
ScottKRiddell: After even 30 seconds of using xorg-server without the crap Fedora compiz hack, I definitely think we need to have this in our PPA.16:44
RiddellScottK: do you use compositing?16:44
ScottKghostcube: Just rebuilt xorg-server without your favorite patch.16:44
rgreeningScottK: ++++10,000,00016:44
ScottKRiddell: The standard Kwin sutff.16:45
RiddellScottK: doesn't compositing become much slower?16:45
ScottKEffects are much faster and smoother.16:45
Tm_TScottK: does that include compositioning enabled?16:45
apacheloggerthat would be ++++10.000.000 here :P16:45
apacheloggerif only I had pushed my startkde patch before going on vacation :P16:45
apacheloggerRiddell: only on broken compiz I think ... might also be limited to certain drivers and chips16:46
ScottKThe only effect I use a lot is the one where I go in the upper left corner to see all the windows.16:46
Riddellcompositing is unusably slow on my intel graphics machine in jaunty16:46
ScottKThat one seems better.16:46
Riddellinfact kwin just refused to turn it on because it's too slow16:46
ScottKProbably something else.16:46
* ScottK has Intel here on Intrepid.16:46
apacheloggerRiddell: might very well be random xorg stuff16:46
* apachelogger is having performance issues as well16:47
Tm_TI have performance issues only if I try to watch videos with compositioning enabled16:47
rgreeningRiddell: turn off shadows. shadows ++ broken/slow on intel16:47
ghostcubei have perf issues cause i cant use loose-binding lol16:47
ScottKJust pushed it to my PPA.  People can test it some more and we'll see.16:48
* ScottK is never going back.16:48
ghostcube:) ppa ?16:48
a|wenScottK: you should note that the crash is in no way limited to gmail ... look at my first comment on that bug, which pretty much describes it16:48
ubottuWith Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.16:48
ghostcubeapachelogger, :| i meant scotts ppa16:48
ScottKa|wen: Please mark up the test case then.16:48
apacheloggerthat description is clearly flawed16:48
ScottKghostcube: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive16:49
ScottKIt'll be a while before it builds16:49
ghostcubethx :)16:49
ScottKghostcube: If your machine catches fire or gets up and kills a kitten, it's not my fault.16:49
apacheloggeroh, what do you know, jonny is motu16:49
Riddellrgreening: meh, now it refuses to even try16:50
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: congrats!16:50
ghostcubeScottK, heh16:50
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: thanks16:50
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apacheloggertoo bad I am fresh out of cookies16:51
JontheEchidnanow the question is... what's the dput entry for universe?16:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: dput ubuntu16:51
* Riddell added that one :)16:51
* apachelogger promises Riddell a cookie for that16:52
Sputseele: thanks, will have a look at that16:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you fix the pim yet?16:52
Sputseele: do we need a welcome screen at all then?16:52
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I got distracted16:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: back to work :P16:53
ScottKSo what's a compositing thing I can try to see how it works?16:53
apacheloggerI demand a nu kdepim16:53
JontheEchidnayessir :P16:53
apacheloggerScottK: in 4.2?16:53
apacheloggeror 4.1?16:53
Riddellwobbly windaes!16:53
apachelogger+ shadow16:53
* JontheEchidna has to unfux his dput.cf16:54
apachelogger+ that coverflow like window switcher with > 30 windows16:54
Sputseele: also, thanks for your notification review... good somebody at least tries to put some sense into canonical :P16:54
apacheloggerthat always kills my system :D16:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you b0rke it?16:54
rgreeningRiddell: :) heh16:54
JontheEchidnawell, I never stopped using /etc/dput.cf :P16:54
JontheEchidnabecause of lazy16:54
ScottKapachelogger: Is coverflow the one where you can see all the windows at one or the one that you page through them?16:54
apacheloggerScottK: the latter16:55
JontheEchidnaso the plan is to make a backup of /etc/dput.cf, reinstall dput so I can get the maintainer's version of dput.cf, then do it the proper way16:55
RiddellSput: ooh, harsh16:55
ScottKapachelogger: How do I get that one?16:55
JontheEchidnaexcept debconf isn't prompting me...16:55
a|wenScottK: description now resembles reality :)16:55
ScottKa|wen: Excellent.16:55
seeleSput: probably not. the welcome screen was nice because there wasn't anything going on by default, but if we're going to encourage people to connect on startup (or automatically) then it isn't that important16:56
knusperfroschjust installed apt-file, got a message i should run apt-file update, clicked on "run this action now", konsole opens and closes immediately. i guess it doesn't run kdesudo apt-file update?16:56
seeleSput: also, i think if a channel is available then you should automatically dump a user in to the first available buffer so they arent presented with a blank screen after connection16:56
* apachelogger hugs Riddell to compensate for Sput's harsh words16:56
seeleSput: it's hard to tell anything happened and the empty /nicks list looks kindof ugly :)16:57
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: dood, you edited the /etc/dput.cf?16:57
Sputseele: yeah, that will be taken care of16:57
Sputthanks :)16:57
seeleSput: or even the server buffer if the channel isn't selected yet. just something so there isn't a blank screen.16:57
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: followed old instructions on the dput wiki by accident16:57
seeleSput: np. sorry i didnt get back to you sooner16:57
* apachelogger finds such instructions insulting anyway16:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/dput.cf16:58
Sputseele: no problem :) if you have a list of real blockers besides that issue, please let us know so we can prioritize until the freeze :)17:00
rgreeningScottK: kvirc package getting cleaner and closer...17:00
ScottKRemember to talk to me about it on #ubuntu-motu when you have something good to say.17:01
ScottKapachelogger: I tried all the different windwo switcher effects and they seem pretty good.17:02
rgreeningwe need someone to work on a sane set of defaults/theme/etc for the package at some point. I think 'more' could be done to make kvirc user friendly and especially kubuntu friendy. It's not really there at the moment (IMO)17:02
rgreeningScottK: will do17:02
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: so gypsy branch kdepim?17:03
ScottKrgreening: I think it's not critical since we aren't considering it for a default client.17:03
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: kdepimlibs17:03
JontheEchidnaright, my bad17:03
Riddellboost should just work now that pitti make 1.35 provide libboost-dev  see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/29715217:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: though Riddell said libboost-dev is now provided17:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 297152 in linux-ports "boost -> boost1.35 transition / demote gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.2 to universe" [High,In progress]17:04
apacheloggerRiddell: just needs rebuilds?17:04
* ScottK considers a new PPA: ~fixes-for-kubuntu-stuff-ubuntu-broke17:04
Riddellapachelogger: yes17:04
apacheloggerScottK: kubuntu-fixes-for-ubuntu17:04
ghostcubeScottK, lol17:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: just create no-change rebuilds for the stuff affected by that bug17:05
apacheloggerRiddell: kdepim only needs a retry I guess17:05
rgreeningScottK ++17:05
Riddellapachelogger: yes17:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also find someone to retry kdepim :P17:05
* apachelogger should do less work17:06
apacheloggeroff to offtopic17:06
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: gypsy only grabbed the orig.tar.gz?17:06
JontheEchidnaI already has a kdepimlibs dir17:07
rgreeningwho wants to give qt4.5 beta 1 a go?17:07
NightroseJontheEchidna: congrats!17:08
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: gypsy push'd17:11
apacheloggerhold on17:11
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Whistling Gypsy Rover" by The Clancy Brothers [Reunion, 2005]17:12
apacheloggerkubotu: join #kubuntu-offtopic17:13
ScottKI still can't get over how much snappier this is.17:13
apacheloggerScottK: blog abou tit17:14
apacheloggercarry out the word17:14
ScottKI will.17:14
ScottKa|wen: I'm building kdepim now.  It took awhile because i had to set up to build against -proposed.17:19
a|wenScottK: yeah, same here17:21
ScottKa|wen: Any thoughts on the plasma/jackd issue?17:22
ScottKAFAIK thats the only other 'regression' that's come up.17:22
ScottKJontheEchidna: In your bug triage work have you found any bugs that might be 4.1.4 regressions?17:22
ghostcubeScottK, in 4.2 teacooker is not anymore available heh17:22
ghostcubeso you cant get into this issue17:22
ScottKghostcube: Sure it is.17:23
a|wenScottK: link to bug report?17:23
ghostcubeeh ?17:23
JontheEchidnaScottK: I have not seen any bugs reported against 4.1.4 at all as far as I've seen17:23
ScottKYou'd need to rebuild it for libplasma3.17:23
ScottKghostcube: I'm more interested in getting 4.1.4 through verification currently.17:23
ghostcubehmm sure :)17:24
ScottKJontheEchidna: OK.  If you see any, please subscribe me.17:24
JontheEchidnawilld o17:24
JontheEchidna*will do17:24
ScottKa|wen: I don't know if there is one, but weren't you involved in looking at this jackd issue before?17:24
rgreeningScottK: does the patch for xserver you removed exist in Jaunty?17:24
ScottKrgreening: No.  It's been removed there already.17:25
ScottKJust had a fun fight in #ubuntu-devel with one of the compiz upstreams over a possible SRU.17:25
a|wenScottK: think not ... doesn't say me anything17:25
ScottKThe issue was if you have a plasmoid running that uses sound (say teacooker) once it exits, plasma never lets go of I forget which sound device that jackd needs to get ahold of.17:26
ScottKghostcube: Was that your issue?17:27
* ScottK forgets who ....17:27
a|wenScottK: ahh, i get it now17:27
ghostcubenah its just as long s you run the plugin plasma grabs hw:017:27
ScottKThat's it.17:28
* a|wen was mostly just trying to verify it17:28
ScottKRight, so you seem to be REALLY good at sorting this stuff.17:28
a|wenScottK: the only thing i know is that for some reason the plasme plugin graps hw:0 ... if it is the plugin or plasma itself that does the weirdness is a good question17:30
ghostcubebrb testing xorg17:33
ghostcubehmm neded to login with a new session but then it worked fine17:38
ScottKghostcube: Got it from my PPA?17:42
ScottKseele: That's two good reports, so you might try upgrading with my PPA enabled and then restart X.17:43
a|wendo we have any other plasmoids emitting sound apart from teacooker?17:43
jussi01ScottK: btw, bluetooth is still not working properly (from intrepid proposed) although this might be pebkac17:46
ScottKjussi01: I think it's not working well, but it's working at least for some.17:48
ScottKI've asked superm1 to have a look at it.17:48
jussi01ScottK: ok17:48
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ScottKLooks like quassel will likely be the new KDE IRC default for Mandriva too.17:52
a|wenScottK: the plasmoid uses phonon for playing... was there any phonon as part of the SRU?17:53
ScottKa|wen: No.17:54
Lureremind me: where is bzr branch for kde packages? I need to patch kdeedu to fix bug 32227817:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322278 in kdeedu "libmarble4 needs to include plugins " [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32227817:55
ScottKLure: launchpad.net/kdeedu and then click on code.17:55
a|wenScottK: okay ... seems to be phonon vs. jackd related as far as i can see17:57
LureScottK: thanks!17:57
ScottKSince neither of those changed, the plasma must be tickling phonon differently ...17:57
ScottKOr bypassing it somehow...17:58
a|wenScottK: the plasmoid connects directly to phonon (without bothering plasma)17:58
* a|wen wished he still had a machine with 4.1.3 on to confirm if it really is a regression or not17:59
ScottKI have one.17:59
a|wenScottK: try test if you can reproduce the problem in 4.1.3 as well18:02
a|wenghostcube: what was the command to see who got hold of hw:0 ?18:03
ghostcubeboah good question wait18:03
ghostcubemust look in log18:04
ghostcubea|wen, lsof | grep snd18:06
ScottK2a|wen: I'm at the 4.1.3 box18:06
a|wenScottK2: you can check who got hold of hw:0 with "lsof | grep snd"18:06
a|wenScottK2: try to tickle the teacooker plasmoid, you should be able to let it get hold of it18:07
ScottK2the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application usingit and run JACK again is what I get just starting jackd here18:08
ScottK2kmix to start18:08
a|wenScottK2: yeah, that is mainly the problem with it18:09
a|wensee who has /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p18:09
a|wen(or something similar)18:09
ScottK2That exists.18:10
ScottK2How do I see what has it?18:10
a|wen"lsof | grep snd" should do the trick18:10
ScottK2I get the same error after stopping kmix, but lsof doesn't show anything has it.18:10
ScottK2Returns nothing18:10
ScottK2ghostcube: How should I be starting jackd?18:11
ghostcubejackd -d alsa18:11
ScottK2OK.  That's exactly what I did.18:11
a|wenScottK2: try giving it some time (10-20 seconds) after stopping the program18:11
a|wenthere seems to be some delay freeing the device18:12
ghostcubekmix isnt need to be stoped normally this should work fine in 4.1.3 and 4.1.418:13
a|wenScottK2: can you get the teacooker plasmoid (plasma) to grab hold of /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p ?18:14
ScottK2a|wen: Before I do that I want to confirm I can not have the problem without it.18:15
a|wendid you sudo jackd ?18:16
ScottK2Ah.  No.18:16
* ScottK2 tries18:16
ScottK2Same error18:16
a|wenstarts fine with me it seems18:19
ScottK2I have to reboot this machine due to a new kernel, so let me do that first and then see.18:19
a|wenScottK: okay ... see if you can get anything sensible out of the testing18:20
* a|wen will go to bed now18:20
a|wenelse i'll not have a chance of attending the meating18:20
a|wensee you all in a few hours18:21
rickspencer3seele: ping18:28
seelerickspencer3: pong18:30
Lureregarding boost transition: we need to switch libboost-python-dev to libboost-python1.35-dev, right?18:50
RiddellLure: yes I think so18:51
seeleanyone else getting double notifications in kmail?18:53
ScottKConfirmed I can get jackd to start on 4.1.3 after stopping the teacooker.18:53
ScottKAlso tested out my new xorg-server package on 4.1.3.  Seems fine there too.18:55
ScottKseele: Did you get a chance to update your xorg-server from my PPA?18:57
ScottKghostcube: What video do you have?18:57
seeleScottK: not yet.. probably later this afternoon when i get a break from work18:59
ScottKghostcube: I have all Intel, so I wanted to make sure someone with !Intel had tried the xorg-server change.19:10
ScottKghostcube: I can't replicate your teacooker problem.19:10
ghostcubeah ok no iam on nvidia19:10
ghostcubeScottK, hmm ok :|19:10
ScottKI started teacooker, couldn't start jackd as you said, stopped it, waited a bit and jackd started fine.19:10
Tonio_has someone experienced a complete kde crash when leaving konsole with the "exit" comand ?19:12
Tonio_that happened to me twice already with the stable 4.219:13
Tonio_never had the issue with another version...19:13
JontheEchidnaAny doods around that could do a quick review on a new upstream release? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-spellcheck19:22
ScottKJontheEchidna: You don't need a review.19:30
ScottKNew soprano tagged today.  We probably ought to update to that instead of our snapshot.19:32
Riddellwe don't have a snapshot, we have the current release19:37
ScottKRiddell: I'm feeling much better about KDE 4.1.4 verification today.  a|wen fixed one regression and the other one isn't actually a regression.19:40
JontheEchidnaScottK: oh, ok.19:41
* JontheEchidna notices that he never got a notification bubble19:41
ScottKJontheEchidna: If you want a review, I'll look, but you're now officially trusted not to mess up too bad and fix it if you do.19:41
JontheEchidnaheh, ok19:41
* JontheEchidna archives the revu upload19:41
RiddellScottK: oh great, was there a patch needed?19:43
ScottKRiddell: Yes.  There'll be a new kdepim needs accepted shortly.19:43
LureJontheEchidna: congrats on mutu!19:54
JontheEchidnaLure: thx19:54
Luremotu even19:54
smarterany idea why kdm doesn't use oxygen?19:59
smarter+widget style19:59
JontheEchidnasmarter: no clue, but I noticed that19:59
smarterJontheEchidna: it worked before, no?20:01
smarterkdm is such a monster :P20:01
smarterhave you ever looked at the code? scary stuff20:01
JontheEchidnaI hear it's a modified fork of xdm20:02
smarterJontheEchidna: it uses xdm as a "backend"20:02
smartermeaning some random version of xdm is copied inside the kde svn repo :p20:02
* smarter wonders why nobody bothered to do a libxdm20:03
snikkerhi, i've installed kde 4.2 on intrepid... but i can't install digikam, can you help me?20:18
rgreeningJontheEchidna: got a q for the new mo-tu (I can rhyme all the time)20:19
JontheEchidnargreening: shoot20:20
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ok, so I have an icon in a package that gets default installed to a wrong dir, I need it to go to another dir.20:22
JontheEchidnaso the application itself is putting the icon into the wrong directory?20:22
rgreeningJontheEchidna: whats the best way to do this? can I do this in the install file somehow or do I need to muck with the rules20:22
rgreeningyeah, and I didn't want to have to patch the src20:22
Riddellsnikker: that's a known issue (and user questions to #kubuntu)20:22
Riddellsnikker: no way around it I'm afraid20:23
JontheEchidnahe could install digikam-kde420:23
rgreeningkvirc installs to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32 rather than /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps20:23
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ^20:23
JontheEchidnafrom the digikam-experimental ppa20:23
Riddellmm, right20:23
JontheEchidnargreening: hmm, I've never had to do anything like that20:23
snikkerJontheEchidna: ok, thanks now i try...20:24
DaSkreechIs it me or does ppa updates wipe out my preferences ?20:24
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I'm not sure if I can do something like usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/* usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/* in the install file in one line or not.. prob not20:25
JontheEchidnayeah, probably not20:25
rgreeningJontheEchidna: since this is a kde4 app, I am using the kde4.mk. What can I do then in the rules file to move the files around? any suggestion?20:28
JontheEchidnaI think even if you're using kde4.mk you can still have a custom install target20:29
JontheEchidnakdebindings has an example iirc20:30
snikkerJontheEchidna: another thing... did you know where i can get the gpg key for digikam-experimental package?20:30
JontheEchidnasnikker: it should be on its launchpad page20:31
Riddellrgreening: did you say you had qt 4.5 packages?20:32
rgreeningRiddell: yes. in my ppa20:33
snikkerJontheEchidna: thank you very much :)20:33
rgreeningRiddell: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/roderick-greening/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main20:33
tvakahwhence kdepim in jaunty20:34
rgreeningRiddell: I've disabled a significant # of patches (notably ones for hppa, arm, and other ports) for now, while working out the kinks. Also, disabled all the qt-copy patches for now untill I figure out what ones are safe to build back in.20:34
rgreeningRiddell: feel free to give it a ride. I'm going to install shortly myself and see what blows up :)20:35
JontheEchidnaiirc plasma is known to be missing a panel background or so20:35
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ty. I'll have a look20:36
smarterrgreening: asks the qt-copy guys when they plan to update it to 4.5? :]20:37
RiddellOlivier sent a post to the release-team list about what patches Qt recommends20:38
rgreeningRiddell: got a copy? I already know which were to be removed due to being fixed upstream.20:39
rgreeningsmarter: ty20:39
rgreeningok, installing qt4.520:39
Riddellrgreening: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2009-January/002789.html20:40
JontheEchidnathe buildd seems a bit clogged today20:44
rgreeningRiddell: thanks. I'll apply the wisdom from the thread :)20:45
Riddellrgreening: ooh, flash works in Arora20:50
DaSkreechThere is a package for it?20:51
smarterRiddell: is webkit in 4.5 decent enough for most website?20:52
* smarter has been waiting forever to be able to use arora, Konqueror is really getting annoying :p20:52
smarterlike, freezing for 10 seconds everytime I open an url20:53
stdinsmarter: it passes the acid3 test 100%20:53
smarterstdin: oh w00t20:53
smarteryou tested it?20:53
rgreeningRiddell: cool20:54
stdinsmarter: http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4559/img5us6.jpg20:55
smarterhuzzah :)20:56
DaSkreechOn the other hand it can't render google.com20:56
smarterhaha :p20:56
smarterwho cares about google if you got acid3 anyway? :p20:56
stdinFF only gets to 71 and konqueror 61 :|20:56
stdinoh, 85, but slowly20:56
smarteronce I'll have updated my package of the webkit kpart for konqueror that should be better (:20:57
stdinsmarter: it means if google doesn't work, we can blame them :p20:57
smarteryou could try http://www.google.com/xhtml supposed to be valid and stuff21:00
stdinwow, google mail in WebKit is working...21:02
smarterstdin: with the fancy ajax or the "html mode"?21:04
smartertry maps too :p21:04
stdinthe full mode21:04
stdinit's .... working.....21:05
ScottKAnyone got time to try and help a poor fellow developer with a dead laptop?21:10
ScottKCurrently I can't get non-root write access.21:10
Riddellrgreening: hmm, HTML5 not working http://chaos.troll.no/~tavestbo/webkit/mediaelement/21:10
ScottKI've had this happen a couple of times before, but rebooting cured it.21:10
ScottKNot this time.21:10
smarterRiddell: with arora? I guess it needs to implement stuff itself for that21:11
smarterScottK: hard-disk full?21:11
ScottKRiddell: a|wen's kdepim fix for 4.1.4 looks good and as soon as I get my laptop fixored I'll upload it.21:11
Riddellsmarter: no, it should all be part of qtwebkit21:11
rgreeningRiddell: did you get your system to work with my qt package?21:11
ScottKsmarter: That's what it claims, but it's not.21:11
Riddellrgreening: it's installed and arora running, not tried restarting KDE21:11
RiddellScottK: excellent21:11
rgreeningRiddell: don't unless you feel ok about recovering from cmdline :)21:12
ScottKsmarter: Any suggestions?21:12
rgreeningRiddell: I restarted and plasma won't start21:12
Riddelloh fooey, now I get flash adverts in arora21:13
rgreeningI am pretty sure the package is clean, and not causing any issue...21:13
smarterScottK: hu21:13
ScottKAny idea what he meant by that?21:14
jussi01ScottK: only things I can think of are hu=hungary and Who?21:15
ScottKman hu comes up short21:16
seeleis the weather applet working for people? NOAA wont take a zip, city, or airport code21:16
rgreeningRiddell: if you are adventurous, and were to restart, I'd know for sure of the plasma issue is localized or somewhere else :)21:17
stdinRiddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/DvEET-JF.html21:18
Tonio_rgreening: how is PNM working for you ?21:18
Tonio_rgreening: seems to just work right now for me :)21:18
stdinI had to switch to the gstreamer backend and LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.5.0/plugins/phonon_backend/libphonon_gstreamer.so ;)21:18
Tonio_rgreening: except from the vpn part, but I'll investigate for that21:18
rgreeningTonio_: wep stiil not working21:18
Tonio_rgreening: with today's update ?21:19
DaSkreechI've never gotten the Weather stuff to work21:19
rgreeningI haven't seen the latest one.21:19
Tonio_rgreening: okay, it started working for me yesterday evening :)21:19
Tonio_rgreening: just take care at removing all your previous connections since those are badly stored, and can conflict21:20
Riddellrgreening: plasma works for me21:20
* Tonio_ can't wait to see konqueror using webkit...21:21
* Arby contemplates whether to respond to bug 322209 or just ignore it21:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322209 in kdepim "Kmail /akonadi not working - kmail: symbol lookup error:" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32220921:21
seeleis the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting or in here?21:22
* seele doesnt see it on fridge..21:22
Riddellseele: try21:22
seelehmm.. kubuntu wiki down?21:23
seeleRiddell: i'm about to set out a reminder21:23
Tonio_Riddell: about the videoplayer, should we consider reuse kmplayer as for konqueror and eventually dragonplayer replacement ?21:23
Tonio_Riddell: kaffeine looks like very very very slow porting....21:24
Tonio_Riddell: kmplayer in the work and works pretty decently...21:24
Riddellwhat's wrong with dragonplayer?21:24
Riddellideally we'd just use Qt 4.5 and its HTML5 stuff21:24
Tonio_no dvb, no subtitles etc....21:24
Tonio_Riddell: it is very basic21:24
Arbyis there anyway we can stop people doing partial upgrades on KDE releases?21:24
Arbyto stop the bug churn if nothing else21:25
Tonio_Riddell: you're not considered with english videos and subtitles, but a lot of people do :)21:25
Riddellseele: hmm, wiki down indeed21:25
seeleyay wiki is down21:25
rgreeningRiddell: so, you rebooted with the new Qt 4.5 and system started fine?21:26
Tonio_Arby: except from using a ppa, I don't think there is...21:26
stdinseele: wiki.ubuntu.com still works21:26
Tonio_Arby: on the other hand, kde doesn't upgrade on a released kubuntu :)21:26
Arbywell actually the people on that bug seem to be using jaunty21:27
Arbyso a certain amount of breakage is expected :)21:27
Tonio_Arby: so they should consider wait for all packages to be 4.2 before reporting bugs....21:28
ScottKAnd it they can't figure out how to do that they ought not to be running Jaunty21:28
Tonio_Arby: when you use jaunty, you have to consider things can break in the meantime where some components wait to be built...21:28
ArbyI agree with all of that :)21:28
Arbyjust thinking how to put it into nice words :)21:28
Tonio_Arby: bah explain there is a difference between what is a bug and what is a "in between state" where something like kde is in the process of uploading21:29
Tonio_and if they can't make the difference, they probably are not aknowledged enough on that point to be using jaunty21:30
Tonio_Arby: jaunty is only for powerusers and devs, that's it21:30
=== seele changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu meeting TONIGHT in #ubuntu-meeting @22:00 UTC | JontheEchidna now available with MOTU powas | Alpha-3 Released | Specs! http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs
seeleso sleepy.. want to take a nap before the meeting but i might not wake up!21:32
Tonio_seele: :)21:34
* jussi01 sets seele's alarm...21:40
Riddellwiki back up21:41
DaSkreechAnyone else lost wallpapers and themes from the upgrade?21:41
DaSkreech was that intentional?21:41
JontheEchidnaDaSkreech: it's in a new package21:41
DaSkreechMy wallapapers?21:41
JontheEchidnawell, the kde wallpapers moved to a different package in KDE 4.221:42
ScottKSo on my dead laptop, df -k shows 31451476 blocks and only 30032920 used.  Available is 021:42
DaSkreechI grabbed a lot of GHNS themes and wallpapers21:42
JontheEchidnaoh, then no clue21:42
DaSkreechI can't see them in the drop down list anymore and the ones I had selected are replaced21:42
DaSkreechIS that a PPA thing or just the packages?21:42
stdinwhere did you store the wallpapers?21:42
DaSkreechReplaced the KDM theme I had as well21:43
stdinor were then from GHNS21:43
DaSkreech Left the Grub Theme alone nicely21:43
DaSkreechFrom GHNS21:43
DaSkreechSo ~/.kde/share/something/wallpapers21:43
stdinare they still in ~/.kde/share/wallpapers/21:43
stdinwhen I upgraded it forgot my wallpaper settings, but everything is still there21:44
DaSkreechThere is wallpapers in there I'm trying to remember if I put those there manually they certainly are named as GHNS wallpapers21:44
DaSkreechEverything is there21:44
DaSkreechThemes and all21:44
DaSkreechbut I can't see them in the interface to select them21:45
DaSkreechWhich is scary to a user who had say 30 wallpapers and upon upgraded is presented with one chosen by the people in the intertubes21:45
stdinI can see mine (named <number>-<name>)21:45
Tonio_Riddell: so not interested in kmplayer right, appart from the konqueror plugin ?21:46
DaSkreechApperance Settings -> wallpaper -> dropdown ?21:46
Tonio_Riddell: I'm currently working on the kde4 version packaging, so that we can at least have the konq kpart21:46
DaSkreechI only have Air and only the Default KDE4 Themes21:46
DaSkreechall the ones I had specified before are gone from the list21:46
stdinall my themes are there21:46
DaSkreech the ones that I had applied are also removed21:46
DaSkreechSo my wallpapers are all Air now and my theme was removed (whch is annoying since there was no Font info so Font colour was the same as the background)21:47
stdinyep, all 14 of them21:47
DaSkreechI have 6 which I presume shipped with KDE421:48
DaSkreechSilicon which was the one I was using is gone21:48
stdinGHNS even have me Upgrade options on some of them21:48
DaSkreechMay so it does21:49
DaSkreechLet me give jpwhiting a cookie :)21:49
RiddellTonio_: we should have it packaged and consider it21:49
DaSkreechMy so it does not May21:49
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JontheEchidnaDaSkreech: Silicon is in plasma-desktopthemes-artwork21:50
Tonio_Riddell: will be considered this WE21:50
Tonio_Riddell: also kepas breaks plasma right now (we have svn snapshot)21:51
stdinooh, perfect screen shot opportunity21:51
Tonio_Riddell: I just uploaded the latest stable release (0.9.3)21:51
DaSkreechJontheEchidna: I'm not arguing it isn't I'm saying I don't know why it was removed when I had it installed21:54
Riddellug, this qt 4.5 makes my computer randomly freeze hard21:54
JontheEchidnaDaSkreech: that's just how apt rolls :D21:56
DaSkreechJontheEchidna: So how do I get back my wallpapers?21:57
JontheEchidnadunno, probably unrelated to the packaging21:57
DaSkreechit happened for the Beta -> RC update and the RC -> final update21:58
DaSkreechI can wait a month and see if it happens aagain21:58
Riddellooh, meeting time22:00
Riddell** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting22:00
jjessesomeone poke seele22:01
ScottKI think you just did.22:01
DaSkreechseele: I poke you22:01
apacheloggerLure: btw, digikam got dropped out of intrepid because we couldn't upgrade to a new pre-release without 4.222:47
apachelogger+1 the one we had was seriously bad quality22:47
Lureapachelogger: yes, I know22:47
Lureit was just not in any shape22:47
jussi01hrm, who was it asking for testers for the qt 4.5 package?22:48
DaSkreechDigikam is looking to be in much better shape for KDE 4.222:50
DaSkreechhopefully Kipi will be there as well22:50
DaSkreechAnyone used kget as the main torrent client ?22:54
* Sput thanks everybody supporting Quassel and helping it get better23:06
DaSkreechSput: thanks fr being awesome23:10
* Sput blushes a bit23:10
DaSkreechQuassel is a grand idea in execution23:11
rickspencer3Riddell: obviously I missed your meeting :(23:20
stdinrickspencer3: it's still going in #ubuntu-meeting23:20
Riddellrickspencer3: still going on23:20
* Sput sends large boxes of cookies to apachelogger and ScottK and \\sh for prodding me and packaging Quassel and providing tons of feedback23:21
apacheloggerSput: get back to work :P23:22
* apachelogger huggles Sput though23:22
Sputoh, and to jussi01 of course :D23:22
Sputmeh, how could I forget him23:22
* Sput blames alcohol23:22
rickspencer3Riddell: I joined the meeting and a lurking :)23:25
Sputactually, jussi01 sent a physical bottle o'vodka to the dev team to further development23:29
LureRiddell, Tonio_, apachelogger (and other core-dev): can someone sponsors upload of kdeedu for me?23:30
Lureit is committed in BZR, tested build in pbuilder and tested that it works23:30
* apachelogger is on vacation23:32
Lureapachelogger: enjoy it - you deserve it!23:34
Lureapachelogger: and there are plenty of core-dev's these days ;-)23:34
apacheloggervery true23:35
apacheloggernow we only need to push vorian and JontheEchidna to it ;-)23:35
apacheloggerthen I can retire and do photography as a hobby23:35
* JontheEchidna runs away23:35
* jussi01 grabs JontheEchidna by the scruff of the neck...23:36
jussi01"no you dont" :P23:36
* blizzz doesn't want apachelogger to retire23:38
DaSkreechKookies kokoa and koffe all around23:47
neversfeldeapachelogger: I have a german jaunty, any special testing needed?23:47
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* a|wen so much needs koffee23:48
rickspencer3DaSkreech: alleeJaunty: I've got to leave in a couple of minutes, but I can chat for a moment23:48
stdinI think sleep is in order23:48
apacheloggerneversfelde: typos in translation... genearl localization issues23:48
rickspencer3I'm sure we'll get to know each other well in time23:48
rgreeningRiddell: hows the qt4.5 working?23:48
DaSkreechrickspencer3: what's the objective of the team you manage?23:48
neversfeldeapachelogger: k, will report23:48
Riddellrgreening: my computer keeps hard freezing!23:48
apacheloggerneversfelde: I will upload a patch for startkde that sets the KDE country setting according to language ... to get currency etc. right23:48
DaSkreechMostly polish? Mostly integration? mostly mad science experiments ?23:49
Riddellrgreening: first login I get a kstartupconfig4 error, second login works fine23:49
apacheloggerneversfelde: will only apply at very very fist login though (if no kdeglobals config is around)23:49
rgreeningRiddell: I get the same error23:49
rickspencer3The Desktop team releases Ubuntu Desktop edition, the flagship product of Canonical, as well as Kubuntu23:49
rgreeningNo freezes here, though I vent to a vesa driver rather than intel for a bot. So no compositing23:49
neversfeldeapachelogger: I have a testing user on that machine, so I can give it a try23:49
* a|wen goes remove meeting date from the kubuntu top-banner23:50
rickspencer3we are the desktop team, so Ubuntu Desktop23:50
apacheloggerneversfelde: awesome, I'll poke once the patch is in23:50
DaSkreechrickspencer3: No love for xfce or Edubuntu ?23:50
rickspencer3The server team releases the server edition, etc...23:50
neversfeldeapachelogger: waiting for it :)23:50
* apachelogger goes to bed23:50
DaSkreechthanks for cookies23:51
nhandlerNight apachelogger23:51
neversfelden8 apachelogger23:51
a|wennn apachelogger23:51
rickspencer3DaSkreech: it's not that there's no "love", they are just not part of our charter23:51
DaSkreechrickspencer3: I know just wanted to be clear that wasn't part of what the team handled23:51
rgreeningRiddell: under my old account plasma fails to run at all. I created a new account and I get plasma but also the kstartup error.23:51
rickspencer3that said, part of the desktop is the "core" system(s) and I assume that those have been engineered so that products like Xubuntu, etc... can make good use of them23:51
* DaSkreech thinks that Edubuntu should be paid more attention to but that's beside the point23:51
* Lure -> bed; good nite everybody!23:51
DaSkreechNight Lure thanks for coming23:52
a|wennn Lure23:52
a|wenRiddell: i promised poking you about removal of nateon + knights23:52
rickspencer3DaSkreech: honestly, I'm new enough that I problem don'23:52
DaSkreechrickspencer3: It's ok it's beside the point :) Edubuntu has very peculiar challenges they need something more than a general team23:53
rickspencer3t know the whole team charter yet, and also as staff changes, the charter may change subtly, as other influences can change it over time as well23:53
rickspencer3DaSkreech: I'm just saying that I'm still keeping an open mind, but clearly releases Ubuntu Desktop and Kubuntu are the key values that the team brings to Canonical (at least I think that's clear)23:53
DaSkreechYes I know just wanted to be clear on that as well23:54
DaSkreechSooo harder questions. Would Workflow/Usabilty of key user experiences be judged and addressed by this team?23:54
jjesseone quick question i forgot to raise in the meeting is i've been asked to version 4 of the official ubuntu book done by feb 23, is the system going to close enough to complete to acomplish that task?23:55
DaSkreechjjesse: What? Why is it timed for then?23:55
rickspencer3DaSkreech: Can you give me an example of the kind of the thing you are thinking of?23:55
jjesseso it can be released on release date23:55
jjesseDaSkreech: i take it by your response they are smoking crack?23:56
jjessewhen is string freeze?23:56
DaSkreechrickspencer3: Well the desktop user todays expects a certain level of ease and to some polish23:56
rickspencer3Well, I definitely have a personal goal to work with other Canonical teams, as well as the community, upstreams, etc... to bring that level of polish23:57
DaSkreechWould the team be trying to ensure that even with changes that certin key usabilty points are kept sane?23:57
jjessewow thats not even before UIFreeze :(23:57
rickspencer3and I think my background in Ux was one of the things that interested Canonical in hiring me23:57
DaSkreechjjesse: This is the publishers?23:57
DaSkreechYeah I noticed that :)23:58
DaSkreechthat was to rickspencer323:58
jjesseDaSkreech: yes publisher23:58
DaSkreechjjesse: This is an agreement with canonical that you are on the train for correct?23:58
rickspencer3DaSkreech: did you have something particular in mind?23:58
jjesseDaSkreech: publisher asked if that was reasonable23:59
DaSkreechrickspencer3: Yes We had an issue with Firefox recently where it installed all of Gnome for one package which was argued should be made suggested23:59
Riddelljjesse: that's pretty early, but the main stuff ought to be, KDE 4.2 of course is in, Amarok and packagekit should be in by then23:59
DaSkreechwhich made KDE people a bit upset23:59
jjesseRiddell: i'll let deb know that is a bit early but we can aim for it23:59
DaSkreechjjesse: For KDE stuff I guess it's pretty solid but that's a crazy time line23:59

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