[00:01] <earle> Judging from the lack of response to my query I guess I asked in the wrong place... sorry to bother you all.
[00:03] <smarter> earle: you can look into ~/.xsession-erros
[00:03] <smarter> ~/.xsession-errors actually
[00:03] <earle> Ah, thanks. I'd been looking at /var/log/kdm, which didn't show much.
[00:03] <tarimari> Riddell: sorry. i just ask here because i suppose you the developers know better what should be used, since it was just released. you as experienced user and developer, which one you propose?
[00:06] <earle> Hm, not much to go on in that log file.
[00:06] <smarter> tarimari: we're probably going to drop guidance-power-manager support, since powerdevil is officially supported by KDE
[00:08] <tarimari> thanks smarter
[00:09] <tarimari> i just understood how powerdevil works. it is much better
[00:09] <tarimari> see u
[00:09] <tarimari> so guidance is only for kde. what ubuntu gnome uses?
[00:32] <tarimari> is this a bug? : powerdevil thinks that i have 3 batteries ..lol. i just have one
[00:38] <ScottK> gnome-power-manager
[00:47] <earle> Er guys... if you have a symlink in your ~/Desktop to /home/yourname,
[00:48] <earle> don't try moving it to the trash from your desktop view plasmoid.
[00:48] <earle> It moves the TARGET directory.
[00:48]  * earle narrowly avoided trashing his whole home directory
[00:48] <earle> I'd rate that as a serious bug....
[00:56] <seele> earle: i assume it was symblically linked?
[00:57] <seele> *symbolically
[00:57] <earle> Yeah. ln -s /home/earle /home/earle/Desktop/home
[00:57] <earle> I was getting rid of it because of the new Home.desktop.
[00:57] <earle> Thankfully the trash refused to accept my 60GB homedir :)
[00:57]  * JontheEchidna has a theory
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> nevermind my theory, I can't reproduce the problem
[01:03] <earle> I'll go file a bug - upstream would be the best place, I guess?
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> yes, but you might have to wait a bit
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> their servers get hammered so they traditionally shut down the bug tracker on release day
[01:11] <earle> Yeah, I can understand that. Cheers.
[01:12] <earle> (Incidentally, this is the most awesome window manager ever)
[01:12] <seele> huh, of all the blog entries i've written, i'd have thought the last one would spark lots of discussion through commenting
[01:12] <seele> maybe it *was* too long..
[02:35] <claydoh> ScottK: I had changed that, loos like I missed a couple of screenshots
[02:35] <ScottK> claydoh: I think it's a great piece of work.
[02:36] <ScottK> I hope someime like jjesse_ or nixternal will pick it up as a basis for an update in kubuntu-docs
[02:37] <seele> anyone else using 4.2 have weird sizing issues with krunner?
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> When I initially upgraded krunner started resizing to the full width of my screen
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> but then I removed ~/.kde/share/config/krunnerrc and everything was fine
[02:44] <claydoh> ScottK: I hope to be able to help in the docs area, at least a little
[02:50] <tvakah> okay, what package do I need to nuke to get rid of the damned "application has crashed" popups?
[02:50] <tvakah> they only serve to cause continual pain to my system tray, which is flakey enough as it is
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> tvakah: sudo apt-get remove apport-qt should do it
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> konq-plugins is being very pleasent to update
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> new binary packages, a patch that disables some plugins that no longer applies (and actually some plugins in the patch no longer need disabling)
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> a ton of changed file names
[03:14] <ScottK> Windows is so flipping counter intuitive.
[03:14] <jjesse> why now?
[03:15] <ScottK> I have an HP printer on a Jet Direct box on my network
[03:15] <ScottK> I needed to print from Window XP.
[03:15] <jjesse> but you didn't have the write drivers?
[03:15] <ScottK> On Kubuntu it all just automagically works.
[03:15] <ScottK> That's just the start.
[03:16] <ScottK> I start with "It's a network printer"
[03:16] <ScottK> It can't find it for anything.
[03:16] <ScottK> I download drivers.
[03:16] <ScottK> No help there.
[03:16] <ScottK> It turns out I have to set up a local printer, bind the IP address to a port, select the driver, and then it works.
[03:17] <jjesse> wow that's wierd
[03:17] <ScottK> How the heck is Grandma supposed to do that?
[03:17] <ScottK> Kubuntu since at least Feisty it just - bam - works.
[03:18] <ScottK> It's not like HP Jet Direct is a new or obscure approach to things.
[03:18] <yuriy> is it much older than 2001?
[03:19] <yuriy> wp says yes
[03:22]  * ScottK tries to remember.
[03:22] <ScottK> It's newer than that.
[03:22] <ScottK> I got married in 2001 and I got it after.
[03:22] <jcastro> ScottK: on vista and 7 that just works btw (printer detection)
[03:23] <jcastro> it's still not as nice as our thing though
[03:23] <ScottK> jcastro: Interesting.  I've never used either.
[03:23] <yuriy> ScottK: but jetdirect first came out in 1991
[03:23] <ScottK> Right.
[03:23] <ScottK> The only times I've used Vista is trying to help people out with stuff a couple of times.
[03:23] <ScottK> I couldn't do it.
[03:24] <ScottK> This is, BTW, one of the great features of Vista IMO: If you have Vista, I'm not your free tech support.
[03:24] <jjesse> i've never had printer problems in vista
[03:25] <ScottK> I was trying to help get WiFi set up.
[03:25] <nhandler_> jjesse: I only had printer problems with my Brother brinter. My HP printer worked out of the box with Ubuntu
[03:25] <jcastro> ScottK: wifi is routinely broken so it's no surprise.
[03:25] <ScottK> I finally concluded that they should leave it unecrypted because it was just too frickin hard.
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> I always have had to configure my LaserJet 4L with a printer config tool, but it's never been a hastle. (This printer could be as old as me)
[03:25] <ScottK> Good printers though.
[03:26] <ScottK> I remember when they came out.
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> but unlike the cheap printers of today, this one still works and has only had to get a part replacement once
[03:26] <yuriy> clearly a bad product for selling printers
[03:26] <jcastro> I have a 4100, love it to death
[03:26] <ScottK> Right, but HP is in the paper/ink business and they know it.
[03:37]  * vorian is in the marke for a new printer
[03:37] <vorian> market even
[03:38] <ScottK> Can go wrong with a used laserjet 3 or 4.
[03:38] <ScottK> 5 was crap.
[03:46]  * claydoh got a free brother b&w laser printer from work becuse "it stopped working" so they replaced it :)
[03:47]  * claydoh tool it home, clean it a little, plugged it in and been printing fine ever since
[03:48] <claydoh> they had a repair man look at it lol it was just a low toner!!!!
[03:48] <claydoh> even the tech didn't catch that
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I've updated konq-plugins for the 4.2.0 release, here's the revu link: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=konq-plugins
[04:15] <nhandler> jjesse: Why are you using REVU for an upgrade?
[04:16] <nhandler> * JontheEchidna
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> why not? It's well suited for the task
[04:16] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: REVU is not meant to be used for upgrades. You are meant to file a bug on LP with the .diff.gz
[04:17] <ScottK> nhandler: Technically that's right, but there's no harm either.
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> this is part of the KDE release, which we don't file reports for anyway
[04:17] <ScottK> Actually not quite.
[04:17] <ScottK> REVU is not currently used for upgrades.
[04:17] <ScottK> It was designed for it and was for some time.
[04:17] <nhandler> It used to be used for upgrades iirc
[04:17] <jjesse> i was like what the heck i have no idea what you were talking about nhandler
[04:18] <ScottK> The upgrade bugs are a convenience for coordinating work.
[04:18] <ScottK> We have another workflow in this team, so the upgrade bugs are just pointless paperwork.
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger always says he'd prefer that whenever I ping him for an upgrade review so I thought I'd try it
[04:18]  * ScottK too.
[04:20] <vorian> when did kpovmodeler go to main?
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> o.o
[04:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Looks like that one was 'fun'.
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> [22:00:20] <JontheEchidna> konq-plugins is being very pleasent to update
[04:26] <vorian> ScottK: when you are done with that one, can ye check http://machine-crusade.net/kpov/ please :)
[04:26] <ScottK> Sure thing
[04:27] <ScottK> Like I didn't get enough FTBFS mail flooding my inbox today
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> lol
[04:27]  * JontheEchidna should have gone to bed a while ago... nighty night
[04:29] <vorian> nn JontheEchidna
[04:29] <JontheEchidna> I have done build and runtime testing, to a degree
[04:29]  * JontheEchidna out
[04:43] <a|wen> Riddell: the intrepid instructions on kubuntu.org (bullet 6) mentions "KDE 4.2 Release Candidate" instead of "KDE 4.2"
[04:46] <ScottK> Maybe ryanakca is awake.
[04:46] <ScottK> He can fix that.
[04:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded.  Thanks.
[04:46] <ScottK> Riddell: konq-plugins will need some Binary New.
[04:46]  * a|wen supposes he got the message now
[04:47] <a|wen> ScottK: btw, i'm pretty sure i've found a solution for the crashing in kmail 4.1.4 ... found a 4.2 commit fixing the equivalent crash; i'll try backporting and testing
[04:47] <ScottK> Excellent.
[04:48] <ScottK> vorian: Yours is test building.
[05:07] <ScottK> vorian: Congrats on the dkim-milter security upload.  Is that your first?
[05:15] <ScottK> vorian: Why do we still need the transitional package?
[05:15] <ScottK> My vote is drop it, so I'm not uploading this.
[05:16] <ScottK> Plus it's late and I'm tired or I'd just fix it.
[05:17] <torkiano> ScottK: minimize to tray in quassel now works in your latest PPA, thank you
[05:19] <ScottK> torkiano: Yes.  Thank Sput and Egs.  They fixed it, I just packaged it.
[05:48]  * ScottK tosses https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmoid-toggle-compositing/0.2.1-0ubuntu5/+build/849179 to NCommander, just as a reminder.
[06:11] <ScottK> Someone go wake up JontheEchidna and tell him he's a MOTU!
[06:12] <jjesse> congrats JontheEchidna
[06:12] <NCommander> Yay, he's an MOTU :-)
[06:12] <jjesse> i thought he was one already?
[06:12]  * jjesse shrugs
[06:12] <rgreening> gratz
[07:28] <freeflying> apachelogger: arounds?
[08:31] <Arby> release announcement on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 ends with
[08:31] <Arby> "When you log in you will have KDE 4.2 Release Candidate 1. Enjoy. "
[08:31] <Arby> likely to cause confusion :)
[08:32] <vital> When will all kde4.2 packages be built for jaunty? right now there is a mix of 4.1.96 and 4.2.0 :)
[08:32] <Tm_T> Arby: ouch
[08:55] <Arby> Tm_T: indeed, not sure who to bug to fix that
[08:55] <Arby> Riddell: do you have access to fix the website ^^
[09:37] <a|wen> Arby: already tried to bug both ryanakca and Riddell about it, but none were awake
[09:40] <Arby> ok
[10:11] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:11] <Tonio_> can someone test the kepas plasmoid ? it crashes plasma on my side...
[10:16] <Tonio_> hum new upstream version released anyway.... testing
[10:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should take care of "simon", looks very neet app for the usability part...
[10:19] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/simon+(Speech+Interaction+Daemon)?content=73815&PHPSESSID=8eae7ec46c9397283b1e87fd325c0ea8
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: kmplayer is released as stable for kde4..... packaging
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: we still miss the konq plugin on that side
[10:22]  * stdin already has a patch ready for 4.2
[10:23] <freeflying> Tonio_: kepas in repositary?
[10:23] <freeflying> :)
[10:26] <stdin> who thinks adding the paste.ubuntu.com pastebin to the Pastebin applet would be a good idea?
[10:26] <Tm_T> stdin: I think it's really good idea
[10:29] <stdin> want to a quick code review? http://pastebin.com/f6c00ec25 make sure I haven't done anything stupid
[10:30] <stdin> it's still early
[10:35] <stdin> ^ I followed the coding style of the author, which I'm not too keen on
[10:36] <Tm_T> stdin: #plasma btw
[10:36] <Tm_T> stdin: shame I cannot help on this myself
[10:37] <stdin> Tm_T: I didn't really touch any of the plasma stuff, it's just a "backend" that sends data to the server
[10:38] <stdin> this plasmoid would be perfect for python-plasma btw, then adding paste servers wouldn't require editing 5 files and recompilation...
[10:38]  * stdin tries a test build in his ppa
[10:39] <Tm_T> stdin: that IS plasma stuff (:
[10:39] <Tm_T> stdin: it's plasma service, right?
[10:40] <stdin> Tm_T: the applet uses abstract classes that just do the HTTP stuff, with KIO
[10:40] <Tm_T> stdin: hmmm, dunno really
[10:40] <Tm_T> stdin: still, #plasma is good place, there's authors of pastebin plasmoid too
[10:41] <stdin> let me see if it works first, I don't want to look dumb :P
[10:49] <EagleScreen> what happens with kweather plasmoid in Kubuntu? It is installed but does not figure in widgets list, so it cannot be added/used
[10:50] <Tm_T> stdin: you can't look dumber than aseigo
[10:59] <Riddell> "Jonathan Thomas has become a MOTU." yay
[10:59] <Riddell> that took a while
[10:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: indeed (:
[11:00] <Tm_T> I still try to avoid being a motu
[11:00] <Tm_T> especially now that family and school are taking my time during these winter months
[11:22] <vorian> ScottK: ok, i'll remove the transitonal package
[11:22] <vorian> ScottK: yes, that was my first security update
[11:24]  * vorian is stranded for the moment due to an amazing ice storm
[12:12]  * smarter waves
[12:12] <smarter> any big-problem-that-should-prevent-me-from-upgrading-my-dad's-computer-with-4.2 appeared or is it mostly safe? :]
[12:15] <Riddell> smarter: seems mostly safe
[12:15] <smarter> cool
[12:16] <seele> smarter: no problems here and i usually always have problems upgrading :)
[12:16] <smarter> seele: great
[12:16]  * smarter upgrades, since it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostly_Harmless :]
[12:23] <apachelogger> freeflying: now
[12:31] <freeflying> apachelogger: any plan to push choqok into debian?
[12:31]  * a|wen thx smarter for reminding him that he has the hearing play of the hitchhikers
[12:31] <apachelogger> freeflying: no, not while I am on vacation anyway :P
[12:32] <smarter> ok, upgrade from 4.1.3 to 4.2 only wants to remove libkipi0 and libkipi5
[12:32] <apachelogger> hm
[12:33] <apachelogger> smarter: also it should want to remove libplasma2 and kdeplasma-addons-data
[12:33] <apachelogger> or -lib
[12:33] <apachelogger> something with plasmaadd at least ;-)
[12:34] <smarter> yup
[12:34] <smarter> -lib4
[12:37] <freeflying> apachelogger: so later? :)
[12:38] <apachelogger> freeflying: well, if you feel like pushing it to debian, feel free to do so
[12:39] <ghostcube> guys hello and a question
[12:40] <ghostcube> why is the plasma panel blue with compiz
[12:40] <ghostcube> in 4.2
[12:40] <Riddell> that's artwork for you, full of colours
[12:40] <smarter> it's blue without it too
[12:40] <smarter> it takes the color of the background
[12:40]  * smarter likes it :)
[12:40] <ghostcube> how to get rid of this blue thingy lol
[12:40] <ghostcube> i want opacity panal
[12:41] <smarter> get a black wallpaper? :p
[12:41] <ghostcube> i have one
[12:41] <ghostcube> still blue
[12:41] <ghostcube> thats why i ask
[12:41] <ghostcube> :P
[12:41] <smarter> tried using kwin composite?
[12:41] <ghostcube> nope
[12:41] <ghostcube> shouldnt matter
[12:41] <ghostcube> compiz does real alpha opacity too
[12:41] <ghostcube> oO
[12:41] <smarter> you''l have a transparent background
[12:42] <ghostcube> i dont want to use kde4 effects
[12:42] <smarter> another option is using a different plasma theme(try Aya, supposed to be good and follow the colors you've chosen in systemsettings)
[12:42] <ghostcube> i have 3 diferent ones
[12:42] <ghostcube> no opacity
[12:42] <ghostcube> its just not working only the base panel
[12:42] <ghostcube> the others work
[12:43] <ghostcube> wait
[12:44] <ghostcube> http://picpaste.de/pics/screenshot5.1233146654.png
[12:44] <ghostcube> as you can see all works only base panel gets still blue
[12:44] <ghostcube> this cant be
[12:46] <ghostcube> and thsi only happens with compiz it wouldnt be nice if kde4 is trying to get rid of compiz by doing such starnge things
[12:48] <smarter> don't get paranoiac, plasma devs probably don't use compiz at all
[12:48] <ghostcube> hehe
[12:48] <earle> Ah yes, I'd been meaning to ask if anyone else had had compiz stop working.
[12:48] <ghostcube> :D
[12:48] <smarter> there is no if ( hasCompiz() ) { borkDisplay(); } :p
[12:48] <ghostcube> i asked in #kubuntu more than me noticing this
[12:48] <ghostcube> smarter, ok i will believe you :P
[12:48] <ghostcube> lol
[12:49] <earle> Oh oops, this is -devel, sorry.
[12:50] <apachelogger> just no one cares about compiz
[12:50] <apachelogger> and since the compiz devs are mostly gnomies they don't care about kde
[12:50] <apachelogger> so they keep on patching gnome to work, but don't care about kde
[12:51] <apachelogger> ...not like the gnome devs would care much about compiz either :P
[12:51] <ghostcube> apachelogger, i know you dont like it but as i sayd in kubuntu-de its not a i hate kde4 effects or i hate compiz thing
[12:52] <ghostcube> its just both are there both doing the same
[12:52] <apachelogger> I don't hate it
[12:52] <earle> Heh, as long as *someone* patches up compiz to work with 4.2, I'll be happy.
[12:52] <apachelogger> it is just a waste of resource
[12:52] <apachelogger> and I can understand anyone who doesn't want to support it as well as kwin or metacity
[12:52] <ghostcube> apachelogger, ok thhis could be biut we startet with beryl in supporting and we still support the guys not running kubuntu :)
[12:53] <ghostcube> but the problem is why the panel stopped being transpa with 4.2 thats all and only the base panel apachelogger the rest works fine
[12:53] <ghostcube> its no secret that the compiz devs arent the best once for ongoing coding lol
[12:53] <ghostcube> they are a bit strange by having theire ideologies
[12:54] <apachelogger> ghostcube: because no one cares about compiz
[12:54] <ghostcube> apachelogger, :P
[12:54] <ghostcube> hehe
[12:54] <apachelogger> well, novell probably does
[12:54] <apachelogger> that's about it
[12:54] <Arby> ghostcube: it could well be just that none of the plasma devs are aware of the issue.
[12:55] <Arby> since it's them that will need to fix it
[12:55] <Arby> so I would check bugs.kde.org for any known
[12:55] <Arby> *bugs
[12:55] <ghostcube> oh damn i always forget the plamsa channel
[12:55] <Arby> and if not then file one
[12:55] <Arby> either they'll fix it or they'll say no
[12:55] <ghostcube> hehe
[12:56] <Arby> but that would be the best course of action :)
[12:56] <ghostcube> hmm i ask in plasma maybe first i havent found any bug for plasma and compiz till now
[12:56] <ghostcube> on bugtracker
[12:56] <Arby> sounds like a good idea
[12:56]  * Arby --> gone again
[12:58] <stdin> oh noes! "KDE TechBase has a problem"
[12:58] <apachelogger> omg
[13:02] <ghostcube> ok pronblem fixed
[13:02] <ghostcube> i love #plasma from now on
[13:02] <ghostcube> B-)
[13:03] <ghostcube> i must remember not to bother you here for plasma errors
[13:04] <apachelogger> good idea :P
[13:07] <jussi01> sebas_: nice work on the nm-plasmoid. working well with wpa-psk here :)
[13:07] <sebas_> It's mostly Will's work, I just did UI bits
[13:09] <jussi01> sebas_: ahh, well say well done to him then :) (Im not sure of his nick)
[13:09] <ghostcube> ok then i can say kde 4.2 is nice :) guys good job
[13:10] <ghostcube> hehe
[13:11] <earle> yeah, it's very tasty
[13:11] <earle> <3
[13:12] <apachelogger> jussi01: wstephenson
[13:12] <earle> ghostcube: hmm, I see there are broken packages for compiz-kde
[13:12] <ghostcube> earle, i have git version
[13:12] <earle> ahh
[13:13] <ghostcube> :)
[13:13] <earle> I can't be bothered to faff around with version control to get my fix :) I'll hang on for working packages.
[13:13] <ghostcube> :)
[13:15] <sebas_> jussi01: bille or wstephenson :)
[13:15] <sebas_> I'll thank him
[13:15] <jussi01> :) thank you.
[13:54] <seele> ScottK: Sput: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/110843/
[13:57] <ghostcube> ah ScottK is there any news for the SRU fix of the xserver error that produces this garbage for new opened apps or windows :)
[14:07] <ryanakca> ScottK: pong
[14:08] <ryanakca> ScottK: ah, nevermind, *fixes*
[14:18] <ScottK> ghostcube: Nope.
[14:18] <ghostcube> ;(
[14:19] <tvakah> so what's up with kdepim in jaunty, it's still looking like 4.1.96 here
[14:22] <ScottK> seele: Weird.
[14:22] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^ Suggestions on seele's problem?
[14:22] <Sput> ScottK: missing sqlite support in Qt
[14:23] <tvakah> jussi01: how'd you get a working nm-plasmoid?
[14:23] <ScottK> Right, but she's running vanilla Intrepid which certainly does have that.
[14:24] <jussi01> tvakah: grabbed svn, compiled, added to the taskbar, rebooted, it worked
[14:24] <tvakah> jussi01: ahh so no package then, gotcha
[14:25] <jussi01> ScottK: seele IIRC install libqt4-sql-sqlite
[14:25] <ScottK> Then if that fixes it I get to figure out why that isn't in depends.
[14:25] <rgreening> nm-plasmoid is built somewhere. Tonio_ built and submitted one.
[14:26] <jussi01> rgreening: is it updasted though? the fix to make it work was today or yesterday
[14:26] <rgreening> oh
[14:27] <seele> erm..
[14:27] <seele> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:27] <seele>   libqt4-sql-sqlite: Depends: libqt4-sql (= 4.4.3-0ubuntu1.1) but 4.4.3-0ubuntu1.2 is to be installed
[14:27] <seele>                      Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4.4.3-0ubuntu1.1) but 4.4.3-0ubuntu1.2 is to be installed
[14:27] <seele> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[14:27] <seele> -f it?
[14:28] <seele> ack
[14:28] <seele> it wants to remove quassel, heh
[14:29] <jussi01> err, what?
[14:29]  * jussi01 is furiously trying to remember if thats the correct package, Im not certain, but pretty sure
[14:30] <ScottK> seele: You need to install it from intrepid-proposed
[14:30] <seele> oh, damnit
[14:30]  * seele will have to mess with it later
[14:30] <ScottK> So reeanble intrepid-proposed and then update and then apt-get -f install should fix it.
[14:42] <ghostcube> http://picpaste.com/desktop6cube.jpeg
[14:42] <ghostcube> looks good now :D
[14:42] <ghostcube> but mother earth is heavy cpu killa
[14:42] <ghostcube> :S
[14:42] <ghostcube> lol
[14:52] <smarter> compiz cube? you know that kwin has one too know? :]
[14:54] <ghostcube> where have u seen thats a compiz cube :D
[14:56] <ghostcube> smarter, i know this :) i will try it if but i luv my compiz :)
[15:06] <ScottK> Is there a distro where KDE is the actual prime focus?
[15:07] <ghostcube> ??
[15:08] <seele> mandriva
[15:08] <seele> isn't that kde-only?
[15:08] <ghostcube> suse ?
[15:08] <seele> they offer both, i dont know if they suggest a default
[15:08] <seele> the gnome option might be selected by default
[15:08] <ScottK> SuSE is officially neutral now.
[15:09] <ghostcube> oh ok :)
[15:09] <ScottK> But since Novell is very Gnome, that's the trend.
[15:09] <Tm_T> seele: definately not Mandriva
[15:09] <ghostcube> pclos ?
[15:10] <seele> there is a popular one that does it, i just dont know what it is
[15:10] <Tm_T> Kubuntu ?
[15:10] <ghostcube> slackware :-?
[15:12] <ScottK> Tm_T: See the "We don't care if our hack breaks KDE, it makes compiz faster" discussion on #ubuntu-devel.
[15:12] <Nightrose> Ark is KDE only
[15:12] <Tm_T> ScottK: sorry, I'm not there atm
[15:12] <ScottK> Just as well.
[15:12] <Tm_T> ScottK: throw me with logs
[15:13] <ghostcube> hmm hack kills kde makes compiz faster oO havrent noticed this
[15:14] <ScottK> That's the argument for this patch that causes the window garbage.
[15:14] <ghostcube> bah
[15:14] <ghostcube> on fc it brakes kde too
[15:14] <ScottK> Yep.
[15:15] <ghostcube> and this two distries are the onlyy ones doing this
[15:15] <ghostcube> and no debian user told me that his gnome with compiz is any faster than on ubuntu
[15:15] <ghostcube> nah the opposite
[15:16] <ghostcube> since what time is nome so compiz friendly
[15:16] <ghostcube> *gnome
[15:16] <ghostcube> oO
[15:16] <Tm_T> heh
[15:16] <Tm_T> Kwin here is faster than Compiz
[15:16] <Tm_T> and more usable
[15:16] <Tm_T> but bah
[15:17] <ghostcube> Tm_T, i havent noticed any really speed issues on debian or ubuntu with or wthout patch so i dont get this what they telling lol
[15:17] <Tm_T> aye
[15:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: we could just remove the patch :P
[15:19] <ScottK> It's been removed in Jaunty.
[15:19] <ScottK> I can't do an SRU unilaterally.
[15:20] <ScottK> It needs pitti to accept it.
[15:20] <apachelogger> well, there is a ppa for intrepid
[15:20] <apachelogger> should do for now
[15:20] <apachelogger> counting days until 9.04 :D
[15:20] <ScottK> yeah.
[15:21] <seele> ScottK: what is the apt line for intrepid-proposed?
[15:22] <Riddell> ScottK: Qt isn't watching this issue, we should file a bug with them to have them look at it
[15:22] <ScottK> That sounds good.
[15:22] <ghostcube> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-proposed main restricted universe multiverse
[15:22] <ScottK> seele: Just add -proposed after your existing one.
[15:22] <ScottK> or what ghostcube says.
[15:24] <ryanakca> jjesse: ping, Will you be around in a few hours so we can sort out help.kubuntu.org?
[15:33] <jussi01> seele: did you get that issue fixed?
[15:45] <seele> jussi01: yes, -proposed worked
[15:45] <jussi01> seele: and adding that package fixed quassel for you?
[15:45] <seele> jussi01: using -f installed sql and it fixed it yes
[15:46] <seele> er, whatever that package was
[15:46] <seele> sql-lite or something?
[15:46] <jussi01> ScottK: so you need to add that to the depends methinks
[15:47] <jussi01> seele: libqt4-sql-sqlite
[15:47] <seele> Sput: so i think the quick and easy fix to quassel start up is to have the Configure Networks dialog open by default. so users immediately know to configure irc and connect it.  the only change that needs to happen to the existing configure networks dialog is some type of "Connect Now" button or functionality
[15:48] <seele> Sput: also, either a) the Configure Networks dialog needs to be slightly larger or b) the Configure Identities dialog needs to be slightly smaller -- when you click on the configure button the dialogs overlap and you dont realise what happened
[15:49] <seele> Sput: it's hard to tell there are now two configure dialogs, it looks like the dialog got replaced.  having different window sizes will help that
[15:53] <seele> anyone else having plasma performance problems?
[15:53] <Tm_T> what kind of performance problems?
[15:54] <seele> plasma is periodically really slow to respond, yet other applications are responsive, and i'm not swapping
[15:54] <Tm_T> doesn't happen here, what plasmoids you have?
[15:54] <seele> i'm using the autohide for one of my bars and sometimes it takes a few seconds for it to appear or reappear
[15:54] <seele> just the standards shipped ones
[15:54] <Tm_T> and those are...
[15:54] <rgreening> seele: yes. I think its X related.
[15:55] <seele> rgreening: hum.. is there a quick fix by chance?
[15:55] <ScottK>  seele: Are you using KDE 4.2 on Intrepid?
[15:55] <rgreening> I updated and there were some new updates
[15:55] <seele> ScottK: yes
[15:55] <rgreening> that seemed to help
[15:55] <rgreening> some libxcb packages I believe.
[15:56] <ScottK> OK.  I'm going to try and build X without this Fedora hack.  If it's helps I'll put it in my PPA.
[15:56] <rgreening> \o/
[15:56] <seele> rgreening: ah.. yeah i've updated
[15:56] <rgreening> and rebooted since
[15:56] <seele> hmm i must have.. i dont see the reboot icon
[15:56] <seele> i know ive restarted x at least
[15:56] <rgreening> x updates may not request reboot
[15:57] <Tm_T> seele: reboot anyway
[15:57] <seele> oooh, ok
[15:57] <rgreening> ya
[15:57] <rgreening> :P
[15:57]  * seele reboots anyway :P
[15:57] <rgreening> I noticed Xorg was taking 10-20% CPU. Not its back to normal
[15:57] <rgreening> s/Not/Now
[15:58] <ScottK> a|wen: How's Kmail with your patch?
[15:59] <a|wen> ScottK: i'm just going to test it now ... is moving test-packages to my laptop now
[15:59] <ScottK> Great.
[15:59] <rgreening> apachelogger: whats the correct way to force kbuildsycoca4 to be run after app removal?
[16:03] <Riddell> ooh, first comment on slashdot KDE 4.2 story "I've been tracking the 4.2 betas on Kubuntu's repositories, and the final release is working very nicely."
[16:03] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:05] <rgreening> nice to get some positive feedback
[16:05] <rgreening> :P
[16:10] <a|wen> ScottK: success ... kmail stopped crashing
[16:10] <Tm_T> noooooo
[16:10] <Tm_T> a|wen: it's broken now
[16:11] <a|wen> Tm_T: we're talking kde 4.1.4 in intrepid
[16:11] <Tm_T> a|wen: yes but if it doesn't crash, it's broken, right?
[16:11] <ScottK> a|wen: Excellent.  Shoot me a debdiff/patch.
[16:12]  * ScottK waits for X to build ....
[16:12] <a|wen> Tm_T: haha, sure thing :)
[16:12]  * a|wen wraps everything up nicely
[16:18] <Riddell> ScottK: you're building X?
[16:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  Without the bloody Fedora hack.
[16:19] <ScottK> More specifically xorg-server
[16:20] <seele> is that the patch that creates the artefacts in qt rendering?
[16:20] <ScottK> yep
[16:20] <seele> hmm.. i owe you a beer friday :P
[16:20] <ScottK> If it fixes it for me, I'll push it to a PPA.
[16:20] <Tm_T> I don't get those with my current nvidia drivers
[16:20]  * ScottK has no Nvidia.
[16:20] <Tm_T> aye
[16:23] <larsivi__> do you guys know if there are changes in how dark themes are handled in the web browsers in 4.2?
[16:24] <Tm_T> larsivi__: what web broswers exactly?
[16:24] <larsivi__> Tm_T: well first it was only konqueror, but with some update it suddenly was messed up in firefox too
[16:24] <larsivi__> Tm_T: the problem is that most sites with forms don't handle forms properly and so bg and fg colours are the same
[16:25] <Tm_T> larsivi__: firefox does color handling itself
[16:25] <larsivi__> mine is black as the night
[16:25] <Tm_T> larsivi__: for Konqueror, it's partly broken websites
[16:25] <ScottK> That wasn't so bad.  Way faster than kvirc to build.
[16:25] <larsivi__> when most sites are "broken", then the browser needs to do the right thing (which is not being stubborn about standards or something else vague)
[16:26] <Tm_T> larsivi__: most browsers force defaults
[16:26] <Tm_T> larsivi__: you can do that with Konqueror too
[16:26] <Tm_T> larsivi__: but it's just merely sweeping trashes under the carpet
[16:26] <larsivi__> Tm_T: really? it wasn't possible the last time I checked
[16:26] <larsivi__> there is a very long bug report on kde.org about it
[16:26] <larsivi__> long and old
[16:26] <Tm_T> I know
[16:27] <Tm_T> larsivi__: check settings part mumbling about css or stylesheet
[16:27] <larsivi__> Tm_T: it fixes body bg colour for most sites, but not all forms
[16:27] <larsivi__> if any forms
[16:28] <a|wen> ScottK: debdiff @ bug 319151
[16:28] <ScottK> Looks
[16:29] <Tm_T> larsivi__: you have to force both background AND foreground colours
[16:30] <larsivi__> Tm_T: although I am somewhat capable of it, it should not be the users responsibility to mess with css to get a web browser that is usable
[16:30] <larsivi__> (one that I cannot use for banking cannot be considered usable)
[16:31] <Tm_T> larsivi__: aye, really this is problem with every browser out there some way or another
[16:31] <larsivi__> anyway, this page ( http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 ) seems to suggest that kde 4.2 in kubuntu is only release candidate in the Bugs section
[16:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: ^^
[16:32] <Tm_T> larsivi__: broken site designs, that's what it is
[16:33] <apachelogger> rgreening: none
[16:33] <Riddell> larsivi__: I can't see that
[16:33] <apachelogger> rgreening: kded watches the kservice directory for changes and executes buidsycoca upon change
[16:33] <apachelogger> or at least I think it is kded ;-)
[16:33] <larsivi__> Tm_T: seriously, much more than half of the sites I use (need to use) are broken for me, and then I feel there needs to be an easy fix/workaround in the browser
[16:34] <Tm_T> larsivi__: I agree
[16:34] <larsivi__> Riddell: "There probably will at least a few bugs with this release and it is recommended that you do not file bug reports against the packages in this release"
[16:34] <Tm_T> larsivi__: to me, somewhat useful solution with Konqueror is to use custom css as a base
[16:34] <Riddell> there probably will be :)
[16:34] <Riddell> but right, that should be upated
[16:35] <larsivi__> Tm_T: I did install a custom css from that ticket, but it isn't good enough - I suppose it could be updated further
[16:35] <Tm_T> larsivi__: I use my own custom css
[16:36] <larsivi__> Tm_T: feel like sharing? :)
[16:36] <Tm_T> hmm, sure, though it's on my other computer, so you have to wait
[16:36] <larsivi__> no problem, I've had this issue since 8.10 was released ...
[16:43] <rgreening> apachelogger: It doesn't appear to be running correctly for me in Jaunty then (at least with the kvirc4 package install/removal - kmenu doesn't update)
[16:43] <ScottK> This is SOOOO much nicer.
[16:43] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, it takes some time
[16:43] <rgreening> apachelogger: how much?
[16:44] <apachelogger> rgreening: but > 1 minute would indicate some brokeness somewhere
[16:44] <rgreening> apachelogger: I waited minutes
[16:44] <ghostcube> ScottK, ??
[16:44] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'll time it next time.
[16:44] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, then start kded with debugging and find out what went wrong :P
[16:44] <ScottK> Riddell: After even 30 seconds of using xorg-server without the crap Fedora compiz hack, I definitely think we need to have this in our PPA.
[16:44] <Riddell> ScottK: do you use compositing?
[16:44] <ScottK> ghostcube: Just rebuilt xorg-server without your favorite patch.
[16:44] <rgreening> ScottK: ++++10,000,000
[16:44] <ghostcube> oooooooo
[16:45] <ScottK> Riddell: The standard Kwin sutff.
[16:45] <Riddell> ScottK: doesn't compositing become much slower?
[16:45] <ScottK> Effects are much faster and smoother.
[16:45] <Tm_T> ScottK: does that include compositioning enabled?
[16:45] <Tm_T> ooh
[16:45] <apachelogger> that would be ++++10.000.000 here :P
[16:45] <apachelogger> if only I had pushed my startkde patch before going on vacation :P
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: only on broken compiz I think ... might also be limited to certain drivers and chips
[16:46] <ScottK> The only effect I use a lot is the one where I go in the upper left corner to see all the windows.
[16:46] <Riddell> compositing is unusably slow on my intel graphics machine in jaunty
[16:46] <ScottK> That one seems better.
[16:46] <Riddell> infact kwin just refused to turn it on because it's too slow
[16:46] <ScottK> Probably something else.
[16:46] <Riddell> maybe
[16:46]  * ScottK has Intel here on Intrepid.
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: might very well be random xorg stuff
[16:47]  * apachelogger is having performance issues as well
[16:47] <Tm_T> I have performance issues only if I try to watch videos with compositioning enabled
[16:47] <rgreening> Riddell: turn off shadows. shadows ++ broken/slow on intel
[16:47] <ghostcube> i have perf issues cause i cant use loose-binding lol
[16:48] <ScottK> Just pushed it to my PPA.  People can test it some more and we'll see.
[16:48]  * ScottK is never going back.
[16:48] <ghostcube> :) ppa ?
[16:48] <a|wen> ScottK: you should note that the crash is in no way limited to gmail ... look at my first comment on that bug, which pretty much describes it
[16:48] <apachelogger> !ppa
[16:48] <ghostcube> apachelogger, :| i meant scotts ppa
[16:48] <ScottK> a|wen: Please mark up the test case then.
[16:48] <ghostcube> lol
[16:48] <apachelogger> "simply"
[16:48] <apachelogger> that description is clearly flawed
[16:49] <ScottK> ghostcube: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive
[16:49] <ScottK> It'll be a while before it builds
[16:49] <ghostcube> thx :)
[16:49] <ScottK> ghostcube: If your machine catches fire or gets up and kills a kitten, it's not my fault.
[16:49] <apachelogger> oh, what do you know, jonny is motu
[16:50] <Riddell> rgreening: meh, now it refuses to even try
[16:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: congrats!
[16:50] <ghostcube> ScottK, heh
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thanks
[16:51] <apachelogger> too bad I am fresh out of cookies
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> now the question is... what's the dput entry for universe?
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dput ubuntu
[16:51]  * Riddell added that one :)
[16:52]  * apachelogger promises Riddell a cookie for that
[16:52] <Sput> seele: thanks, will have a look at that
[16:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you fix the pim yet?
[16:52] <Sput> seele: do we need a welcome screen at all then?
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I got distracted
[16:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: back to work :P
[16:53] <ScottK> So what's a compositing thing I can try to see how it works?
[16:53] <apachelogger> I demand a nu kdepim
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> yessir :P
[16:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: in 4.2?
[16:53] <apachelogger> or 4.1?
[16:53] <ScottK> 4.1
[16:53] <Riddell> wobbly windaes!
[16:53] <apachelogger> + shadow
[16:54]  * JontheEchidna has to unfux his dput.cf
[16:54] <apachelogger> + that coverflow like window switcher with > 30 windows
[16:54] <Sput> seele: also, thanks for your notification review... good somebody at least tries to put some sense into canonical :P
[16:54] <apachelogger> that always kills my system :D
[16:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you b0rke it?
[16:54] <rgreening> Riddell: :) heh
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> well, I never stopped using /etc/dput.cf :P
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> because of lazy
[16:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is coverflow the one where you can see all the windows at one or the one that you page through them?
[16:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: the latter
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> so the plan is to make a backup of /etc/dput.cf, reinstall dput so I can get the maintainer's version of dput.cf, then do it the proper way
[16:55] <Riddell> Sput: ooh, harsh
[16:55] <rgreening> lol
[16:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: How do I get that one?
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> except debconf isn't prompting me...
[16:55] <a|wen> ScottK: description now resembles reality :)
[16:55] <ScottK> a|wen: Excellent.
[16:56] <seele> Sput: probably not. the welcome screen was nice because there wasn't anything going on by default, but if we're going to encourage people to connect on startup (or automatically) then it isn't that important
[16:56] <knusperfrosch> just installed apt-file, got a message i should run apt-file update, clicked on "run this action now", konsole opens and closes immediately. i guess it doesn't run kdesudo apt-file update?
[16:56] <seele> Sput: also, i think if a channel is available then you should automatically dump a user in to the first available buffer so they arent presented with a blank screen after connection
[16:56]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell to compensate for Sput's harsh words
[16:57] <seele> Sput: it's hard to tell anything happened and the empty /nicks list looks kindof ugly :)
[16:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dood, you edited the /etc/dput.cf?
[16:57] <Sput> seele: yeah, that will be taken care of
[16:57] <Sput> thanks :)
[16:57] <seele> Sput: or even the server buffer if the channel isn't selected yet. just something so there isn't a blank screen.
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: followed old instructions on the dput wiki by accident
[16:57] <seele> Sput: np. sorry i didnt get back to you sooner
[16:58]  * apachelogger finds such instructions insulting anyway
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/dput.cf
[17:00] <Sput> seele: no problem :) if you have a list of real blockers besides that issue, please let us know so we can prioritize until the freeze :)
[17:00] <rgreening> ScottK: kvirc package getting cleaner and closer...
[17:01] <ScottK> Excellent.
[17:01] <ScottK> Remember to talk to me about it on #ubuntu-motu when you have something good to say.
[17:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: I tried all the different windwo switcher effects and they seem pretty good.
[17:02] <rgreening> we need someone to work on a sane set of defaults/theme/etc for the package at some point. I think 'more' could be done to make kvirc user friendly and especially kubuntu friendy. It's not really there at the moment (IMO)
[17:02] <rgreening> ScottK: will do
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so gypsy branch kdepim?
[17:03] <ScottK> rgreening: I think it's not critical since we aren't considering it for a default client.
[17:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kdepimlibs
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> right, my bad
[17:04] <Riddell> boost should just work now that pitti make 1.35 provide libboost-dev  see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/297152
[17:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: though Riddell said libboost-dev is now provided
[17:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: just needs rebuilds?
[17:04]  * ScottK considers a new PPA: ~fixes-for-kubuntu-stuff-ubuntu-broke
[17:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[17:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: kubuntu-fixes-for-ubuntu
[17:04] <ghostcube> ScottK, lol
[17:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just create no-change rebuilds for the stuff affected by that bug
[17:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdepim only needs a retry I guess
[17:05] <rgreening> ScottK ++
[17:05] <rgreening> hah
[17:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[17:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also find someone to retry kdepim :P
[17:06]  * apachelogger should do less work
[17:06] <apachelogger> off to offtopic
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: gypsy only grabbed the orig.tar.gz?
[17:07] <apachelogger> hm
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> oh
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> I already has a kdepimlibs dir
[17:07] <apachelogger> :D
[17:07] <rgreening> who wants to give qt4.5 beta 1 a go?
[17:08] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: congrats!
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: gypsy push'd
[17:11] <apachelogger> hold on
[17:12] <apachelogger> ~np
[17:12] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Whistling Gypsy Rover" by The Clancy Brothers [Reunion, 2005]
[17:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: join #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:13] <ScottK> I still can't get over how much snappier this is.
[17:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: blog abou tit
[17:14] <apachelogger> carry out the word
[17:14] <ScottK> I will.
[17:14] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:19] <ScottK> a|wen: I'm building kdepim now.  It took awhile because i had to set up to build against -proposed.
[17:21] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah, same here
[17:22] <ScottK> a|wen: Any thoughts on the plasma/jackd issue?
[17:22] <ScottK> AFAIK thats the only other 'regression' that's come up.
[17:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: In your bug triage work have you found any bugs that might be 4.1.4 regressions?
[17:22] <ghostcube> ScottK, in 4.2 teacooker is not anymore available heh
[17:22] <ghostcube> so you cant get into this issue
[17:23] <ScottK> ghostcube: Sure it is.
[17:23] <a|wen> ScottK: link to bug report?
[17:23] <ghostcube> eh ?
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I have not seen any bugs reported against 4.1.4 at all as far as I've seen
[17:23] <ScottK> You'd need to rebuild it for libplasma3.
[17:23] <ScottK> ghostcube: I'm more interested in getting 4.1.4 through verification currently.
[17:24] <ghostcube> hmm sure :)
[17:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  If you see any, please subscribe me.
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> willd o
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> *will do
[17:24] <ScottK> a|wen: I don't know if there is one, but weren't you involved in looking at this jackd issue before?
[17:24] <rgreening> ScottK: does the patch for xserver you removed exist in Jaunty?
[17:25] <ScottK> rgreening: No.  It's been removed there already.
[17:25] <ScottK> Just had a fun fight in #ubuntu-devel with one of the compiz upstreams over a possible SRU.
[17:25] <a|wen> ScottK: think not ... doesn't say me anything
[17:26] <ScottK> The issue was if you have a plasmoid running that uses sound (say teacooker) once it exits, plasma never lets go of I forget which sound device that jackd needs to get ahold of.
[17:27] <ScottK> ghostcube: Was that your issue?
[17:27]  * ScottK forgets who ....
[17:27] <a|wen> ScottK: ahh, i get it now
[17:27] <ghostcube> nah its just as long s you run the plugin plasma grabs hw:0
[17:28] <ScottK> That's it.
[17:28]  * a|wen was mostly just trying to verify it
[17:28] <ScottK> Right, so you seem to be REALLY good at sorting this stuff.
[17:30] <a|wen> ScottK: the only thing i know is that for some reason the plasme plugin graps hw:0 ... if it is the plugin or plasma itself that does the weirdness is a good question
[17:33] <ghostcube> brb testing xorg
[17:38] <ghostcube> hmm neded to login with a new session but then it worked fine
[17:42] <ScottK> ghostcube: Got it from my PPA?
[17:43] <ghostcube> yes
[17:43] <ScottK> Excellent.
[17:43] <ScottK> seele: That's two good reports, so you might try upgrading with my PPA enabled and then restart X.
[17:43] <a|wen> do we have any other plasmoids emitting sound apart from teacooker?
[17:45] <ScottK> Dunno
[17:46] <jussi01> ScottK: btw, bluetooth is still not working properly (from intrepid proposed) although this might be pebkac
[17:48] <ScottK> jussi01: I think it's not working well, but it's working at least for some.
[17:48] <ScottK> I've asked superm1 to have a look at it.
[17:48] <jussi01> ScottK: ok
[17:52] <ScottK> Looks like quassel will likely be the new KDE IRC default for Mandriva too.
[17:53] <a|wen> ScottK: the plasmoid uses phonon for playing... was there any phonon as part of the SRU?
[17:54] <ScottK> a|wen: No.
[17:55] <Lure> remind me: where is bzr branch for kde packages? I need to patch kdeedu to fix bug 322278
[17:55] <ScottK> Lure: launchpad.net/kdeedu and then click on code.
[17:57] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... seems to be phonon vs. jackd related as far as i can see
[17:57] <Lure> ScottK: thanks!
[17:57] <ScottK> Since neither of those changed, the plasma must be tickling phonon differently ...
[17:58] <ScottK> Or bypassing it somehow...
[17:58] <a|wen> ScottK: the plasmoid connects directly to phonon (without bothering plasma)
[17:58] <ScottK> Ah.
[17:58] <ScottK> Weird.
[17:58] <a|wen> indeed
[17:59]  * a|wen wished he still had a machine with 4.1.3 on to confirm if it really is a regression or not
[17:59] <ScottK> I have one.
[18:02] <a|wen> ScottK: try test if you can reproduce the problem in 4.1.3 as well
[18:03] <a|wen> ghostcube: what was the command to see who got hold of hw:0 ?
[18:03] <ghostcube> boah good question wait
[18:04] <ghostcube> must look in log
[18:06] <ghostcube> a|wen, lsof | grep snd
[18:06] <ScottK2> a|wen: I'm at the 4.1.3 box
[18:06] <a|wen> ScottK2: you can check who got hold of hw:0 with "lsof | grep snd"
[18:07] <a|wen> ScottK2: try to tickle the teacooker plasmoid, you should be able to let it get hold of it
[18:08] <ScottK2> OK
[18:08] <ScottK2> the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application usingit and run JACK again is what I get just starting jackd here
[18:08] <ScottK2> kmix to start
[18:09] <a|wen> ScottK2: yeah, that is mainly the problem with it
[18:09] <a|wen> see who has /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[18:09] <a|wen> (or something similar)
[18:10] <ScottK2> That exists.
[18:10] <ScottK2> How do I see what has it?
[18:10] <a|wen> "lsof | grep snd" should do the trick
[18:10] <ScottK2> I get the same error after stopping kmix, but lsof doesn't show anything has it.
[18:10] <ScottK2> Returns nothing
[18:11] <ScottK2> ghostcube: How should I be starting jackd?
[18:11] <ghostcube> jackd -d alsa
[18:11] <ScottK2> OK.  That's exactly what I did.
[18:11] <a|wen> ScottK2: try giving it some time (10-20 seconds) after stopping the program
[18:12] <a|wen> there seems to be some delay freeing the device
[18:13] <ghostcube> kmix isnt need to be stoped normally this should work fine in 4.1.3 and 4.1.4
[18:14] <a|wen> ScottK2: can you get the teacooker plasmoid (plasma) to grab hold of /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p ?
[18:15] <ScottK2> a|wen: Before I do that I want to confirm I can not have the problem without it.
[18:16] <a|wen> did you sudo jackd ?
[18:16] <ScottK2> Ah.  No.
[18:16]  * ScottK2 tries
[18:16] <ScottK2> Same error
[18:17] <a|wen> strange
[18:19] <a|wen> starts fine with me it seems
[18:19] <ScottK2> I have to reboot this machine due to a new kernel, so let me do that first and then see.
[18:20] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... see if you can get anything sensible out of the testing
[18:20]  * a|wen will go to bed now
[18:20] <a|wen> else i'll not have a chance of attending the meating
[18:21] <a|wen> see you all in a few hours
[18:28] <rickspencer3> seele: ping
[18:30] <seele> rickspencer3: pong
[18:50] <Lure> regarding boost transition: we need to switch libboost-python-dev to libboost-python1.35-dev, right?
[18:51] <Riddell> Lure: yes I think so
[18:53] <seele> anyone else getting double notifications in kmail?
[18:53] <ScottK> Confirmed I can get jackd to start on 4.1.3 after stopping the teacooker.
[18:55] <ScottK> Also tested out my new xorg-server package on 4.1.3.  Seems fine there too.
[18:57] <ScottK> seele: Did you get a chance to update your xorg-server from my PPA?
[18:57] <ScottK> ghostcube: What video do you have?
[18:59] <ghostcube> ?
[18:59] <ghostcube> nvidia
[18:59] <seele> ScottK: not yet.. probably later this afternoon when i get a break from work
[19:10] <ScottK> ghostcube: I have all Intel, so I wanted to make sure someone with !Intel had tried the xorg-server change.
[19:10] <ScottK> ghostcube: I can't replicate your teacooker problem.
[19:10] <ghostcube> ah ok no iam on nvidia
[19:10] <ghostcube> ScottK, hmm ok :|
[19:10] <ScottK> I started teacooker, couldn't start jackd as you said, stopped it, waited a bit and jackd started fine.
[19:12] <Tonio_> has someone experienced a complete kde crash when leaving konsole with the "exit" comand ?
[19:13] <Tonio_> that happened to me twice already with the stable 4.2
[19:13] <Tonio_> never had the issue with another version...
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> Any doods around that could do a quick review on a new upstream release? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-spellcheck
[19:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You don't need a review.
[19:32] <ScottK> New soprano tagged today.  We probably ought to update to that instead of our snapshot.
[19:37] <Riddell> we don't have a snapshot, we have the current release
[19:37] <ScottK> OK
[19:37] <ScottK> Nevermind
[19:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm feeling much better about KDE 4.1.4 verification today.  a|wen fixed one regression and the other one isn't actually a regression.
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: oh, ok.
[19:41]  * JontheEchidna notices that he never got a notification bubble
[19:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you want a review, I'll look, but you're now officially trusted not to mess up too bad and fix it if you do.
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> heh, ok
[19:41]  * JontheEchidna archives the revu upload
[19:43] <Riddell> ScottK: oh great, was there a patch needed?
[19:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  There'll be a new kdepim needs accepted shortly.
[19:54] <Lure> JontheEchidna: congrats on mutu!
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> Lure: thx
[19:54] <Lure> motu even
[19:54] <Lure> ;-)
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> heh
[19:59] <smarter> any idea why kdm doesn't use oxygen?
[19:59] <smarter> +widget style
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> smarter: no clue, but I noticed that
[20:01] <smarter> JontheEchidna: it worked before, no?
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:01] <smarter> kdm is such a monster :P
[20:01] <smarter> have you ever looked at the code? scary stuff
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> I hear it's a modified fork of xdm
[20:02] <smarter> JontheEchidna: it uses xdm as a "backend"
[20:02] <smarter> meaning some random version of xdm is copied inside the kde svn repo :p
[20:03]  * smarter wonders why nobody bothered to do a libxdm
[20:18] <snikker> hi, i've installed kde 4.2 on intrepid... but i can't install digikam, can you help me?
[20:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: got a q for the new mo-tu (I can rhyme all the time)
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: shoot
[20:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ok, so I have an icon in a package that gets default installed to a wrong dir, I need it to go to another dir.
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> so the application itself is putting the icon into the wrong directory?
[20:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: whats the best way to do this? can I do this in the install file somehow or do I need to muck with the rules
[20:22] <rgreening> yeah, and I didn't want to have to patch the src
[20:22] <Riddell> snikker: that's a known issue (and user questions to #kubuntu)
[20:23] <Riddell> snikker: no way around it I'm afraid
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> he could install digikam-kde4
[20:23] <rgreening> kvirc installs to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32 rather than /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps
[20:23] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> from the digikam-experimental ppa
[20:23] <Riddell> mm, right
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: hmm, I've never had to do anything like that
[20:24] <snikker> JontheEchidna: ok, thanks now i try...
[20:24] <DaSkreech> Is it me or does ppa updates wipe out my preferences ?
[20:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'm not sure if I can do something like usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/* usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/* in the install file in one line or not.. prob not
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, probably not
[20:28] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: since this is a kde4 app, I am using the kde4.mk. What can I do then in the rules file to move the files around? any suggestion?
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> I think even if you're using kde4.mk you can still have a custom install target
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> kdebindings has an example iirc
[20:30] <snikker> JontheEchidna: another thing... did you know where i can get the gpg key for digikam-experimental package?
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> snikker: it should be on its launchpad page
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~digikam-experimental/+archive
[20:32] <Riddell> rgreening: did you say you had qt 4.5 packages?
[20:33] <rgreening> Riddell: yes. in my ppa
[20:33] <snikker> JontheEchidna: thank you very much :)
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> :)
[20:33] <rgreening> Riddell: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/roderick-greening/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[20:34] <tvakah> whence kdepim in jaunty
[20:34] <rgreening> Riddell: I've disabled a significant # of patches (notably ones for hppa, arm, and other ports) for now, while working out the kinks. Also, disabled all the qt-copy patches for now untill I figure out what ones are safe to build back in.
[20:35] <rgreening> Riddell: feel free to give it a ride. I'm going to install shortly myself and see what blows up :)
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> iirc plasma is known to be missing a panel background or so
[20:36] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ty. I'll have a look
[20:37] <smarter> rgreening: asks the qt-copy guys when they plan to update it to 4.5? :]
[20:38] <Riddell> Olivier sent a post to the release-team list about what patches Qt recommends
[20:39] <rgreening> Riddell: got a copy? I already know which were to be removed due to being fixed upstream.
[20:39] <rgreening> smarter: ty
[20:39] <rgreening> ok, installing qt4.5
[20:40] <Riddell> rgreening: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2009-January/002789.html
[20:41] <rgreening> looking..
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> the buildd seems a bit clogged today
[20:45] <rgreening> Riddell: thanks. I'll apply the wisdom from the thread :)
[20:50] <Riddell> rgreening: ooh, flash works in Arora
[20:51] <DaSkreech> There is a package for it?
[20:52] <smarter> Riddell: is webkit in 4.5 decent enough for most website?
[20:52]  * smarter has been waiting forever to be able to use arora, Konqueror is really getting annoying :p
[20:53] <smarter> like, freezing for 10 seconds everytime I open an url
[20:53] <stdin> smarter: it passes the acid3 test 100%
[20:53] <smarter> stdin: oh w00t
[20:53] <smarter> you tested it?
[20:54] <rgreening> Riddell: cool
[20:55] <stdin> smarter: http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4559/img5us6.jpg
[20:56] <smarter> huzzah :)
[20:56] <DaSkreech> On the other hand it can't render google.com
[20:56] <smarter> haha :p
[20:56] <smarter> who cares about google if you got acid3 anyway? :p
[20:56] <stdin> FF only gets to 71 and konqueror 61 :|
[20:56] <stdin> oh, 85, but slowly
[20:57] <smarter> once I'll have updated my package of the webkit kpart for konqueror that should be better (:
[20:57] <stdin> smarter: it means if google doesn't work, we can blame them :p
[21:00] <smarter> you could try http://www.google.com/xhtml supposed to be valid and stuff
[21:02] <stdin> wow, google mail in WebKit is working...
[21:04] <smarter> stdin: with the fancy ajax or the "html mode"?
[21:04] <smarter> try maps too :p
[21:04] <stdin> the full mode
[21:05] <stdin> it's .... working.....
[21:10] <ScottK> Anyone got time to try and help a poor fellow developer with a dead laptop?
[21:10] <ScottK> Currently I can't get non-root write access.
[21:10] <Riddell> rgreening: hmm, HTML5 not working http://chaos.troll.no/~tavestbo/webkit/mediaelement/
[21:10] <ScottK> I've had this happen a couple of times before, but rebooting cured it.
[21:10] <ScottK> Not this time.
[21:11] <smarter> Riddell: with arora? I guess it needs to implement stuff itself for that
[21:11] <smarter> ScottK: hard-disk full?
[21:11] <ScottK> Riddell: a|wen's kdepim fix for 4.1.4 looks good and as soon as I get my laptop fixored I'll upload it.
[21:11] <Riddell> smarter: no, it should all be part of qtwebkit
[21:11] <rgreening> Riddell: did you get your system to work with my qt package?
[21:11] <ScottK> smarter: That's what it claims, but it's not.
[21:11] <Riddell> rgreening: it's installed and arora running, not tried restarting KDE
[21:11] <Riddell> ScottK: excellent
[21:12] <rgreening> Riddell: don't unless you feel ok about recovering from cmdline :)
[21:12] <ScottK> smarter: Any suggestions?
[21:12] <rgreening> Riddell: I restarted and plasma won't start
[21:13] <Riddell> oh fooey, now I get flash adverts in arora
[21:13] <rgreening> I am pretty sure the package is clean, and not causing any issue...
[21:13] <smarter> ScottK: hu
[21:14] <ScottK> Any idea what he meant by that?
[21:15] <jussi01> ScottK: only things I can think of are hu=hungary and Who?
[21:16] <ScottK> man hu comes up short
[21:16] <seele> is the weather applet working for people? NOAA wont take a zip, city, or airport code
[21:17] <rgreening> Riddell: if you are adventurous, and were to restart, I'd know for sure of the plasma issue is localized or somewhere else :)
[21:18] <stdin> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/DvEET-JF.html
[21:18] <Tonio_> rgreening: how is PNM working for you ?
[21:18] <Tonio_> rgreening: seems to just work right now for me :)
[21:18] <stdin> I had to switch to the gstreamer backend and LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.5.0/plugins/phonon_backend/libphonon_gstreamer.so ;)
[21:18] <Tonio_> rgreening: except from the vpn part, but I'll investigate for that
[21:18] <rgreening> Tonio_: wep stiil not working
[21:19] <Tonio_> rgreening: with today's update ?
[21:19] <DaSkreech> I've never gotten the Weather stuff to work
[21:19] <rgreening> I haven't seen the latest one.
[21:19] <Tonio_> rgreening: okay, it started working for me yesterday evening :)
[21:20] <Tonio_> rgreening: just take care at removing all your previous connections since those are badly stored, and can conflict
[21:20] <Riddell> rgreening: plasma works for me
[21:21]  * Tonio_ can't wait to see konqueror using webkit...
[21:21]  * Arby contemplates whether to respond to bug 322209 or just ignore it
[21:22] <seele> is the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting or in here?
[21:22]  * seele doesnt see it on fridge..
[21:22] <Riddell> seele: try
[21:22] <Riddell> #ubuntu-meeting
[21:23] <seele> hmm.. kubuntu wiki down?
[21:23] <seele> Riddell: i'm about to set out a reminder
[21:23] <Riddell> thanks
[21:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: about the videoplayer, should we consider reuse kmplayer as for konqueror and eventually dragonplayer replacement ?
[21:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: kaffeine looks like very very very slow porting....
[21:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: kmplayer in the work and works pretty decently...
[21:24] <Riddell> what's wrong with dragonplayer?
[21:24] <Riddell> ideally we'd just use Qt 4.5 and its HTML5 stuff
[21:24] <Tonio_> no dvb, no subtitles etc....
[21:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is very basic
[21:24] <Arby> is there anyway we can stop people doing partial upgrades on KDE releases?
[21:25] <Arby> to stop the bug churn if nothing else
[21:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're not considered with english videos and subtitles, but a lot of people do :)
[21:25] <Riddell> seele: hmm, wiki down indeed
[21:25] <seele> yay wiki is down
[21:26] <rgreening> Riddell: so, you rebooted with the new Qt 4.5 and system started fine?
[21:26] <Tonio_> Arby: except from using a ppa, I don't think there is...
[21:26] <stdin> seele: wiki.ubuntu.com still works
[21:26] <Tonio_> Arby: on the other hand, kde doesn't upgrade on a released kubuntu :)
[21:27] <Arby> well actually the people on that bug seem to be using jaunty
[21:27] <Arby> so a certain amount of breakage is expected :)
[21:28] <Tonio_> Arby: so they should consider wait for all packages to be 4.2 before reporting bugs....
[21:28] <ScottK> And it they can't figure out how to do that they ought not to be running Jaunty
[21:28] <Tonio_> Arby: when you use jaunty, you have to consider things can break in the meantime where some components wait to be built...
[21:28] <Arby> I agree with all of that :)
[21:28] <Arby> just thinking how to put it into nice words :)
[21:29] <Tonio_> Arby: bah explain there is a difference between what is a bug and what is a "in between state" where something like kde is in the process of uploading
[21:30] <Tonio_> and if they can't make the difference, they probably are not aknowledged enough on that point to be using jaunty
[21:30] <Tonio_> Arby: jaunty is only for powerusers and devs, that's it
[21:32] <seele> so sleepy.. want to take a nap before the meeting but i might not wake up!
[21:34] <Tonio_> seele: :)
[21:40]  * jussi01 sets seele's alarm...
[21:41] <Riddell> wiki back up
[21:41] <DaSkreech> Anyone else lost wallpapers and themes from the upgrade?
[21:41] <DaSkreech>  was that intentional?
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: it's in a new package
[21:41] <DaSkreech> My wallapapers?
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> well, the kde wallpapers moved to a different package in KDE 4.2
[21:42] <ScottK> So on my dead laptop, df -k shows 31451476 blocks and only 30032920 used.  Available is 0
[21:42] <DaSkreech> I grabbed a lot of GHNS themes and wallpapers
[21:42] <ScottK> Suggestion?
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, then no clue
[21:42] <DaSkreech> I can't see them in the drop down list anymore and the ones I had selected are replaced
[21:42] <DaSkreech> IS that a PPA thing or just the packages?
[21:42] <stdin> where did you store the wallpapers?
[21:43] <DaSkreech> Replaced the KDM theme I had as well
[21:43] <stdin> or were then from GHNS
[21:43] <DaSkreech>  Left the Grub Theme alone nicely
[21:43] <DaSkreech> From GHNS
[21:43] <DaSkreech> So ~/.kde/share/something/wallpapers
[21:43] <stdin> are they still in ~/.kde/share/wallpapers/
[21:44] <stdin> when I upgraded it forgot my wallpaper settings, but everything is still there
[21:44] <DaSkreech> There is wallpapers in there I'm trying to remember if I put those there manually they certainly are named as GHNS wallpapers
[21:44] <DaSkreech> Everything is there
[21:44] <DaSkreech> Themes and all
[21:45] <DaSkreech> but I can't see them in the interface to select them
[21:45] <DaSkreech> Which is scary to a user who had say 30 wallpapers and upon upgraded is presented with one chosen by the people in the intertubes
[21:45] <stdin> I can see mine (named <number>-<name>)
[21:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: so not interested in kmplayer right, appart from the konqueror plugin ?
[21:46] <DaSkreech> Apperance Settings -> wallpaper -> dropdown ?
[21:46] <stdin> yeah
[21:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently working on the kde4 version packaging, so that we can at least have the konq kpart
[21:46] <DaSkreech> I only have Air and only the Default KDE4 Themes
[21:46] <DaSkreech> all the ones I had specified before are gone from the list
[21:46] <stdin> all my themes are there
[21:46] <DaSkreech>  the ones that I had applied are also removed
[21:47] <DaSkreech> So my wallpapers are all Air now and my theme was removed (whch is annoying since there was no Font info so Font colour was the same as the background)
[21:47] <stdin> yep, all 14 of them
[21:48] <DaSkreech> I have 6 which I presume shipped with KDE4
[21:48] <DaSkreech> Silicon which was the one I was using is gone
[21:48] <stdin> GHNS even have me Upgrade options on some of them
[21:48] <stdin> s/have/gave/
[21:49] <DaSkreech> May so it does
[21:49] <DaSkreech> Let me give jpwhiting a cookie :)
[21:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: we should have it packaged and consider it
[21:49] <DaSkreech> My so it does not May
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: Silicon is in plasma-desktopthemes-artwork
[21:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: will be considered this WE
[21:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: also kepas breaks plasma right now (we have svn snapshot)
[21:51] <stdin> ooh, perfect screen shot opportunity
[21:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just uploaded the latest stable release (0.9.3)
[21:51] <stdin> http://imagebin.ca/img/hRasDU0.jpg
[21:54] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: I'm not arguing it isn't I'm saying I don't know why it was removed when I had it installed
[21:54] <Riddell> ug, this qt 4.5 makes my computer randomly freeze hard
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: that's just how apt rolls :D
[21:57] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: So how do I get back my wallpapers?
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> dunno, probably unrelated to the packaging
[21:58] <DaSkreech> it happened for the Beta -> RC update and the RC -> final update
[21:58] <DaSkreech> I can wait a month and see if it happens aagain
[22:00] <Riddell> ooh, meeting time
[22:00] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:01] <jjesse> someone poke seele
[22:01] <ScottK> I think you just did.
[22:01] <DaSkreech> seele: I poke you
[22:47] <apachelogger> Lure: btw, digikam got dropped out of intrepid because we couldn't upgrade to a new pre-release without 4.2
[22:47] <apachelogger> +1 the one we had was seriously bad quality
[22:47] <Lure> apachelogger: yes, I know
[22:47] <Lure> it was just not in any shape
[22:48] <jussi01> hrm, who was it asking for testers for the qt 4.5 package?
[22:50] <DaSkreech> Digikam is looking to be in much better shape for KDE 4.2
[22:50] <DaSkreech> hopefully Kipi will be there as well
[22:54] <DaSkreech> Anyone used kget as the main torrent client ?
[22:56] <apachelogger> nope
[23:06]  * Sput thanks everybody supporting Quassel and helping it get better
[23:10] <DaSkreech> Sput: thanks fr being awesome
[23:10] <Sput> :D
[23:10]  * Sput blushes a bit
[23:11] <DaSkreech> Quassel is a grand idea in execution
[23:20] <rickspencer3> Riddell: obviously I missed your meeting :(
[23:20] <stdin> rickspencer3: it's still going in #ubuntu-meeting
[23:20] <Riddell> rickspencer3: still going on
[23:21]  * Sput sends large boxes of cookies to apachelogger and ScottK and \\sh for prodding me and packaging Quassel and providing tons of feedback
[23:22] <apachelogger> Sput: get back to work :P
[23:22]  * apachelogger huggles Sput though
[23:22] <Sput> oh, and to jussi01 of course :D
[23:22] <Sput> meh, how could I forget him
[23:22]  * Sput blames alcohol
[23:22] <jussi01> :D
[23:25] <rickspencer3> Riddell: I joined the meeting and a lurking :)
[23:29] <Sput> actually, jussi01 sent a physical bottle o'vodka to the dev team to further development
[23:30] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_, apachelogger (and other core-dev): can someone sponsors upload of kdeedu for me?
[23:30] <Lure> it is committed in BZR, tested build in pbuilder and tested that it works
[23:32]  * apachelogger is on vacation
[23:34] <Lure> apachelogger: enjoy it - you deserve it!
[23:34] <Lure> apachelogger: and there are plenty of core-dev's these days ;-)
[23:35] <apachelogger> very true
[23:35] <apachelogger> now we only need to push vorian and JontheEchidna to it ;-)
[23:35] <apachelogger> then I can retire and do photography as a hobby
[23:35]  * JontheEchidna runs away
[23:36]  * jussi01 grabs JontheEchidna by the scruff of the neck...
[23:36] <jussi01> "no you dont" :P
[23:38]  * blizzz doesn't want apachelogger to retire
[23:47] <DaSkreech> Kookies kokoa and koffe all around
[23:47] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I have a german jaunty, any special testing needed?
[23:48]  * a|wen so much needs koffee
[23:48] <rickspencer3> DaSkreech: alleeJaunty: I've got to leave in a couple of minutes, but I can chat for a moment
[23:48] <stdin> I think sleep is in order
[23:48] <apachelogger> neversfelde: typos in translation... genearl localization issues
[23:48] <rickspencer3> I'm sure we'll get to know each other well in time
[23:48] <rgreening> Riddell: hows the qt4.5 working?
[23:48] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: what's the objective of the team you manage?
[23:48] <neversfelde> apachelogger: k, will report
[23:48] <Riddell> rgreening: my computer keeps hard freezing!
[23:48] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I will upload a patch for startkde that sets the KDE country setting according to language ... to get currency etc. right
[23:49] <DaSkreech> Mostly polish? Mostly integration? mostly mad science experiments ?
[23:49] <Riddell> rgreening: first login I get a kstartupconfig4 error, second login works fine
[23:49] <apachelogger> neversfelde: will only apply at very very fist login though (if no kdeglobals config is around)
[23:49] <rgreening> Riddell: I get the same error
[23:49] <rickspencer3> The Desktop team releases Ubuntu Desktop edition, the flagship product of Canonical, as well as Kubuntu
[23:49] <rgreening> No freezes here, though I vent to a vesa driver rather than intel for a bot. So no compositing
[23:49] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I have a testing user on that machine, so I can give it a try
[23:50]  * a|wen goes remove meeting date from the kubuntu top-banner
[23:50] <rickspencer3> we are the desktop team, so Ubuntu Desktop
[23:50] <apachelogger> neversfelde: awesome, I'll poke once the patch is in
[23:50] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: No love for xfce or Edubuntu ?
[23:50] <rickspencer3> The server team releases the server edition, etc...
[23:50] <neversfelde> apachelogger: waiting for it :)
[23:50]  * apachelogger goes to bed
[23:50] <apachelogger> nini
[23:50] <DaSkreech> nini
[23:51] <DaSkreech> thanks for cookies
[23:51] <nhandler> Night apachelogger
[23:51] <neversfelde> n8 apachelogger
[23:51] <a|wen> nn apachelogger
[23:51] <rickspencer3> DaSkreech: it's not that there's no "love", they are just not part of our charter
[23:51] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: I know just wanted to be clear that wasn't part of what the team handled
[23:51] <rgreening> Riddell: under my old account plasma fails to run at all. I created a new account and I get plasma but also the kstartup error.
[23:51] <rickspencer3> that said, part of the desktop is the "core" system(s) and I assume that those have been engineered so that products like Xubuntu, etc... can make good use of them
[23:51]  * DaSkreech thinks that Edubuntu should be paid more attention to but that's beside the point
[23:51]  * Lure -> bed; good nite everybody!
[23:52] <DaSkreech> Night Lure thanks for coming
[23:52] <a|wen> nn Lure
[23:52] <a|wen> Riddell: i promised poking you about removal of nateon + knights
[23:52] <rickspencer3> DaSkreech: honestly, I'm new enough that I problem don'
[23:53] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: It's ok it's beside the point :) Edubuntu has very peculiar challenges they need something more than a general team
[23:53] <rickspencer3> t know the whole team charter yet, and also as staff changes, the charter may change subtly, as other influences can change it over time as well
[23:53] <rickspencer3> DaSkreech: I'm just saying that I'm still keeping an open mind, but clearly releases Ubuntu Desktop and Kubuntu are the key values that the team brings to Canonical (at least I think that's clear)
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Yes I know just wanted to be clear on that as well
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Sooo harder questions. Would Workflow/Usabilty of key user experiences be judged and addressed by this team?
[23:55] <jjesse> one quick question i forgot to raise in the meeting is i've been asked to version 4 of the official ubuntu book done by feb 23, is the system going to close enough to complete to acomplish that task?
[23:55] <DaSkreech> jjesse: What? Why is it timed for then?
[23:55] <rickspencer3> DaSkreech: Can you give me an example of the kind of the thing you are thinking of?
[23:55] <jjesse> so it can be released on release date
[23:56] <jjesse> DaSkreech: i take it by your response they are smoking crack?
[23:56] <jjesse> when is string freeze?
[23:56] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: Well the desktop user todays expects a certain level of ease and to some polish
[23:57] <DaSkreech> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[23:57] <rickspencer3> Well, I definitely have a personal goal to work with other Canonical teams, as well as the community, upstreams, etc... to bring that level of polish
[23:57] <DaSkreech> Would the team be trying to ensure that even with changes that certin key usabilty points are kept sane?
[23:57] <jjesse> wow thats not even before UIFreeze :(
[23:57] <rickspencer3> and I think my background in Ux was one of the things that interested Canonical in hiring me
[23:57] <DaSkreech> jjesse: This is the publishers?
[23:58] <DaSkreech> Yeah I noticed that :)
[23:58] <DaSkreech> that was to rickspencer3
[23:58] <jjesse> DaSkreech: yes publisher
[23:58] <DaSkreech> jjesse: This is an agreement with canonical that you are on the train for correct?
[23:58] <rickspencer3> DaSkreech: did you have something particular in mind?
[23:59] <jjesse> DaSkreech: publisher asked if that was reasonable
[23:59] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: Yes We had an issue with Firefox recently where it installed all of Gnome for one package which was argued should be made suggested
[23:59] <Riddell> jjesse: that's pretty early, but the main stuff ought to be, KDE 4.2 of course is in, Amarok and packagekit should be in by then
[23:59] <DaSkreech> which made KDE people a bit upset
[23:59] <jjesse> Riddell: i'll let deb know that is a bit early but we can aim for it
[23:59] <DaSkreech> jjesse: For KDE stuff I guess it's pretty solid but that's a crazy time line