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CIA-3partman-crypto: cjwatson * r673 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/crypto_config):01:39
CIA-3partman-crypto: Use UUIDs only if available, fixing key types other than passphrase01:39
CIA-3partman-crypto: since only LUKS actually has a UUID (LP: #321732).01:39
CIA-3partman-crypto: cjwatson * r674 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 36ubuntu301:40
Torgoton1I'd like to help get the installer working on my old (old, so old) ThinkPad. I've got Ubuntu Jaunty Alpha installed on a different 'pad. I am installing d-i as on the InstallerDevelopment wiki page. What's a good next step? Install development tools?03:36
TheMusoTorgoton1: How old is the ThinkPad?03:58
TheMusoTorgoton1: And have you tried the alternate installer CD?03:58
Torgoton1TheMuso: Too old. No CD drive. I can start a net boot install. It's got 36MB RAM, and a 486 CPU.03:59
TheMusoTorgoton1: Well I think you're out of luck. I don't think Ubuntu is trying to aim for that old hardware, you may be better off with debian.04:00
Torgoton1Maybe. There is a page on the wiki that states 32MB is required for a bare minimum install, and CJ said he might put some effort into getting it to work for 9.04.04:00
Torgoton1I can help some... capture serial console logs and such... just not sure where to dig in.04:01
TheMusoFair enough.04:01
Torgoton1also not sure how to even try to get new code onto the thing. Wasn't easy. I used floppies (gasp) to copy over the two netboot files.04:02
* TheMuso nods.04:03
loolcjwatson: FYI, d-i built past ixp4xx after your last change; however it fails to build later on according to Michael08:51
NCommanderhey cjwatson08:54
loolcjwatson: Ok, given the image doesn't work for NCommander and he doesn't have a serial console please disable ixp4xx and sorry for the noise08:59
lool(bug #322217)08:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322217 in debian-installer "ixp4xx image does not boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32221708:59
NCommandercjwatson, I also am filling a sync request for a missing package we need in Ubuntu (micro-evtd)09:00
cjwatsondisable ixp4xx altogether, or just the nslu2 part? (I'd prefer the latter if that makes sense)09:04
NCommandercjwatson, it builds file09:04
NCommanderTHe FTBFS is from onion, due to the missing udeb09:04
cjwatsonwhy's the bug on debian-installer rather than linux?09:05
cjwatsonwhich missing udeb?09:05
NCommandercjwatson, as far as I know, the ixp4xx kernel is known to boot09:05
cjwatsonand I assume you mean orion09:05
* NCommander is not having much luck with spelling today and maybe taking a sign to sleep09:05
cjwatsonok, just as long as you know I'm not going to do anything with that bug :)09:05
NCommandercjwatson, micro-evtd is the missing package in Ubuntu09:05
NCommandercjwatson, the sync request got filed, I'm just waiting for the bug # to pop up09:07
cjwatsonso which bits of the d-i armel build are the useful bits that you guys *actually* want? :-)09:07
NCommanderWell, I personally would like the netboot d-i images built so we can make sure d-i on ARM fully works (although I've heard reports it works on QEMU)09:07
cjwatsonwhich subarch?09:08
cjwatsonnetboot is a medium not a subarch09:08
loolcjwatson: doko and myself have a thecus n2100 which is an IOP09:08
loolcjwatson: I think NSLU2 is rather popular hardware, but I don't have any myself09:08
NCommanderI have an ixp4xx, and I'm willing to solder on the serial console to figure out what has gone wrong with d-i on it09:08
cjwatsonwhy don't we continue building ixp4xx even though it doesn't work for the moment09:09
cjwatsonif nothing else, it will make it easier for people to debug it09:09
loolcjwatson: In general I'd love to keep any Debian port which we can QA09:09
* NCommander would agree with that being the source of action09:09
cjwatsonNCommander: you know that micro-evtd is already in the archive?09:10
NCommanderEr, it didn't pop up when I searched for it09:10
cjwatsonit's one version behind, happy to sync that09:10
cjwatsonmicro-evtd | 3.3.3-6+lenny2 | jaunty/universe | source, armel09:10
NCommanderIt should find it (I enabled universe in the sources.list.udeb ...)09:11
cjwatsonlool: could you give micro-evtd the once-over for main inclusion, perhaps?09:11
cjwatsonand somebody should file a bug for the same09:12
NCommandercjwatson, if yo have no objection, I'll do the MIR09:12
cjwatsonnone at all, please do09:12
cjwatsonI've synced +lenny309:13
NCommanderThanks cjwatson09:15
loolThe package is ok for promotion; the packaging could be cleaned up a little but it's good enough09:16
NCommanderqcontrol-udeb is also a needed one09:17
loolNCommander: It's in sync and it built on armel09:18
NCommanderyup, just grabbed the binary and I chucked it into localudebs09:19
loolI guess you want main promotion as well?09:19
loolHmm there's an issue of /tmp usage with micro_evtd09:20
NCommanderlool, /tmp usage?09:21
loolYeah, it system(strEventScript); with sprintf(strEventScript, "/%s/micro_evtd/EventScript %c %d %ld %s %s %d %c", (CP_SCRIPT ==  cmd? "etc" : strTmpPath), ...09:21
loolstrTmpPath is /tmp09:21
NCommanderugh :-/, thats ugly09:22
loolIt seems it's only for custom commands09:22
NCommanderlool, I'm not used to checking for suig binaries, it does some weird permission things in rules, wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking things09:24
NCommander^can you double-check for me that isn't the case09:24
NCommander  qcontrol-udeb: Depends: input-modules but it is not installable09:26
NCommanderugh :-/09:26
cjwatsonperhaps built in on armel09:28
cjwatsonfind out which module it actually wants and find out if it's =y in our kernel09:28
NCommanderOh, that's a udeb?09:29
loolqcontrol has an unsigned int / int mismatch09:29
NCommanderkernel udeb?09:29
loolIt checks an int against 0x8009:29
cjwatsonif so, (a) you can temporarily remove the dependency, (b) medium-term, the corresponding kernel-image udeb should Provides: input-modules09:29
cjwatsonNCommander: the kernel udebs are conventionally foo-modules-ABI Provides: foo-modules09:29
cjwatsonif something is built into the kernel, then the correct behaviour is to have kernel-image-ABI Provides: foo-modules09:30
cjwatsonthe kernel guys may not be doing this accurately though09:30
NCommanderLooking at the kernel build, yeah, we're not building input modules09:31
cjwatsoninput-modules conventionally contains several different things, so check qcontrol to find out which individual module it cares about09:31
NCommander(as a udeb)09:31
cjwatsonright, but we may well be building in the actual drivers it wants09:31
NCommanderI'll check as soon as I finish writing up this MIR09:34
NCommandercjwatson, here's my inital draft of the micro-evtd MIR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportMicroEvtd#preview09:44
NCommander(any hints on how to turn off the rampant italtics would be appreciated)09:45
cjwatson(well, I would fix it, but you have the page open)09:48
loolNCommander: You were missing a ' after UI standards10:32
loolI fixed it10:32
loolI filed a bug with a "patch" for the qcontrol buffer handling trivia10:32
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loolI filed a bug about the micro-evtd security issues, but I'm not too hot on its promotion   :6/11:06
NCommanderOk, my ISP offically hates me11:10
NCommandercjwatson, I missed your comments (if any) on my MIR draft11:10
cjwatsonI didn't make any11:11
NCommanderoh ...11:11
loolhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/28/%23ubuntu-installer.txt you only missed that I filed a bug about the micro-evtd security issue11:12
NCommanderThanks lool11:12
NCommanderlool, I'll amend the MIR, do you see any other issues with it? (I always like to get a second person to look at these thing)11:13
loolNCommander: You know I'll have to comment on the MIR bug anyway  :-)11:14
* NCommander falls over11:15
loolNCommander: But I wouldn't like promoting the package with the number of problems in the source11:15
NCommanderWe could probably drop the need for this package11:15
loole.g. no read()/write() return code handling, syslog(LOG_INFO, message) instead of "%s", message etc.11:15
NCommanderBut that would cause the user to have no visual feedback that d-i is ready for an openssh connection.11:15
cjwatsonor we could fix the source11:16
NCommanderWhich to make sure we don't accident break anything requires someone with said hardware to test it.11:17
loolFixing the tmpdir usage is not trivial; also it should be tested on real hardware in the end11:17
loolIt's using the same vars for plenty of things, and I don't understand all the possible code pathes11:17
loolThe read()/write()/syslog() issues are indeed trivial to solve11:17
NCommanderIf someone has one of these beasts, I have no issue working to fix it, but I'm not a fan of randomly making code changes :-)11:18
loolcjwatson: I understand that we need to fix main/universe mismatches before the release, but is it ok to leave it in universe for now in the hope that upstream can help fixing the issue?11:19
lool(Or in the hope we'll have time + hardware to fix it ourselves, or just dropping this udeb if we don't)11:20
cjwatsonwell, we can't build d-i with it until it's in main11:25
cjwatsonwe can drop it for the time being?11:25
loolcjwatson: Please do; I don't see micro-eventd fixed in a very short term11:26
cjwatsonI'll seed both micro-evtd-udeb and qcontrol-udeb so that they do show up as mismatches11:29
loolI'm ok to promote qcontrol11:29
loolThe only code issue I found doesn't affect arm/armel11:29
loolcjwatson: thanks11:30
CIA-3debian-installer: cjwatson * r1026 ubuntu/ (2 files in 2 dirs):11:30
CIA-3debian-installer: Build orion5x images without micro-evtd for now, as it needs work before11:30
CIA-3debian-installer: inclusion in main.11:30
cjwatsonany MIR or anything for qcontrol?11:31
loolNCommander: ^^^?11:31
NCommanderNot yet, I still need to figure out what qcontrol needs11:31
NCommander(not going to write an MIR until I can actually install the bugger :-))11:31
loolI'm ok with just a bug for the qcontrol MIR, it's relatively trivial so I wont insist on a wiki page11:32
loolNCommander: It only bdeps on liblua5.1-0-dev which is in main11:32
loolAnd it depends on liblua5.1-0 which is obviously in main as well11:33
looludeb depends on libc6-udeb and input-modules11:33
* NCommander thought MIRs were always required expect in cases where one binary of a source package in main already needed a bump ...11:33
NCommander^wiki pages11:34
NCommandercjwatson, with orion5x disabled, I should be able to do a full d-i build11:34
cjwatsonif a member of the ubuntu-mir team says otherwise then a bug is fine11:37
cjwatsonthey have discretion11:37
NCommanderWOrks for me11:37
NCommanderlool, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qcontrol/+bug/32226111:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322261 in qcontrol "Main Inclusion for qcontrol" [Undecided,New]11:43
CIA-3localechooser: cjwatson * r143 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog localechooser): merge from Debian 2.09 (the hard way, since that was released from the lenny branch)11:44
loolNCommander: It's "Frans" not Francs11:44
NCommanderOk, thats it, no more bugs for me tonight :-P11:45
loolYeah, I did fix it11:46
NCommanderI think we both edited it at the same time ...11:46
CIA-3localechooser: cjwatson * r144 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.09ubuntu111:47
NCommandercjwatson, I'll investigate the input-modules mystery, and then get back to you on that tommorow (I need to get some sleep tonight)11:54
cjwatsonqcontrol promoted11:55
cjwatsonI haven't promoted the qcontrol binary, only qcontrol-udeb; seed the qcontrol binary if you want it and an archive admin will do it at some point11:56
davmor2-awayevand, cjwatson: are either of you running a jaunty test box?12:59
cjwatsonhow about my laptop?13:01
davmor2-awaycjwatson: do you do daily updates on it?13:02
davmor2-awayI have an issue currently but I'm not sure if it is my box or ubuntu.  After a major update you get the restart icon appear in the panel.  When clicking on it it seems to log out rather than restart13:04
cjwatsonnot daily13:06
cjwatsonI think you would get better answers on #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-desktop or something ...13:07
cjwatsonI'm not about to restart my laptop right now to find out :)13:07
charlie-tcadavmor2-away: Is that happening all the time? I have seen it sometimes.13:28
davmor2-awaycharlie-tca: not sure I've only done 2 updates and it's happen once out of those 2 times13:46
charlie-tcaI do updates daily; working on this system with jaunty installed. It does happen, just not every update.13:47
charlie-tcaAlso, yesterday, updates came in about 5 times through update manager.13:47
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loolcjwatson: I pushed a new qcontrol dropping the dep and filed bug #322311; do you know whether the Provides have the same meaning on all flavours?14:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322311 in qcontrol "orion5x armel flavour should provide input-modules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32231114:15
loolcjwatson: e.g. does input-modules imply the same modules whatever the flavour?14:15
cjwatsonnot precisely but the same general kind of thing14:15
cjwatsonbut qcontrol is almost certainly looking for particular modules14:15
loolIt is14:15
cjwatsonok, gpio_keys14:15
cjwatsonit doesn't matter if the exact set of modules varies a bit14:16
loolBut because this module isn't qnap specific, I can't tell whether all flavours should get the module and provide14:16
cjwatsonyou could compare with Debian's udebs14:16
loolThat might or might not be conclusive, I'll check thanks14:17
loolSo it's not the same modules in all the input-modules, and in fact I don't know why I was asking as I know realize there's one input modules per flavour...14:28
loolcjwatson: What rule did you use to create the debian/d-i/exclude-modules.armel*?14:34
cjwatsontrial and error14:34
cjwatsonI think it was modules that were clearly built into the kernel14:34
cjwatsonand where it didn't make sense to have a reduced file in modules-armel*/14:35
cjwatsonit's a while, though14:35
loolOk, I admit I'm starting to get a bit lost in the amount of things I need to touch and in which order; I had asked to start our armel kernel flavours' configs from Debian, but they obviously don't match or provide the same modules; in particular versatile is very broken in this respect14:36
loolI know amitk was working on cleaning up the config after the mess of the last changes, and I'm not confident to fix it myself14:37
davmor2cjwatson: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html is this the most up-to-date docs for kickstart?15:44
davmor2sorry wrong link same but 8.10 not 7.0415:47
davmor2cool ta15:54
cjwatsonyeah, it is16:03
DogWatercjwatson: was that note you posted on the bug for the x64 version?16:33
cjwatsonit was not architecture-specific16:34
cjwatsonI tried to tell you it on IRC but you had left16:34
aliguoriinstalling intreprid server under kvm, when you get to the "Installing Additional Components" screen, it starts redrawing the full screen repeatedly.  This is very slow in KVM and brings the installer stops making progress16:40
aliguorithis didn't happen in hardy though16:40
aliguorihas something changed about how that screen is redrawn in interpid?16:40
cjwatsonnot to my knowledge16:41
cjwatsonif it has, it'll be at a lower level such as newt or slang that I don't typically deal with or know a whole lot about16:41
cjwatsonor possibly the kernel16:41
aliguoriit's as if there's a clearscreen happening every second and then a full redraw16:41
aliguoriit only happens with that screen (well, that's as far as I've gotten in the installer)16:42
cjwatsonthat almost sounds like you're running out of memory and the installer is crashing and being restarted16:42
cjwatsonlook at /var/log/syslog (tty4) to confirm16:43
cjwatsonif you change ttys and it respawns on the current tty, that confirms that the whole installer is crashing16:43
aliguoriokay, i'll check that16:43
aliguoriugh, of course i now can't reproduce it16:48
aliguorimaybe it's a kvm problem16:48
aliguorii'll dig deeper, thanks16:48
cjwatsonaliguori: did you forget to pass -m to kvm, perhaps? common mistake16:53
cjwatsonit defaults to 128MB which is inconveniently small16:54
aliguoricjwatson, 128mb is too small for a server install?16:54
aliguoricjwatson, no, i never pass -m and it's not been a problem in the past16:54
cjwatsonprobably shouldn't be16:55
cjwatsonmore of a problem for desktop16:55
aliguoriwhen i can reproduce it again, i'll see if it's an OOM.  if it is, it's either that 128 is not enough or something is leaking memory16:57
aliguoribut it could be a kvm issue.  i'm running a second vm now and i can't reproduce it, so i'm suspicious16:57
CIA-3ubiquity: evand * r2989 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):16:58
CIA-3ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer16:58
CIA-3ubiquity: 1.36ubuntu1, localechooser 2.09ubuntu1, user-setup 1.23ubuntu8.16:58
CIA-3ubiquity: evand * r2990 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo17:00
DogWatercjwatson: so that should fix the x64 problem i was having or? the x86 version works flawlessly without that flag17:25
cjwatsonDogWater: it does *now*17:26
cjwatsonDogWater: the kernel from -proposed was only moved into -updates yesterday; once that happened the rules changed :-)17:26
DogWaterwell that is certainly ominous ;-)17:26
cjwatson(a) retry the amd64 installation, if it works be happy (b) if it doesn't work use apt-setup/proposed=true17:27
DogWaterif thats all it takes to make me happy what im I paying my therapist for17:28
DogWatercjwatson: still indicates that no kernel modules were found.. etc17:30
DogWatercjwatson: were you actually able to install using that initrd/kernel?17:30
cjwatsonhave you tried apt-setup/proposed=true?17:32
cjwatson(if not why not?)17:32
cjwatsonalso, does your mirror contain -proposed?17:32
DogWateryes, i put it in the append initrd line, does it go in the kernel line? in pxelinux17:32
cjwatsonit goes in the append line17:32
DogWaterah, i didn't yet add intrepid-proposed to the mirror. i'll try installing off of archive.ubuntu.com17:33
cjwatsonsince you are using your own mirror I am guessing that the problem is that it is incomplete17:33
cjwatsonyou can add intrepid-proposed to -d (and I think it is likely that you are also missing intrepid-updates, perhaps more importantly)17:33
DogWaterno, i have intrepid updates17:34
DogWaterits been downloading source for about 24hr17:34
DogWaterits almost done17:34
cjwatsonmm, yes, almost done is usually not enough to run an installation off ;-)17:35
cjwatsondebmirror doesn't put the index files in place until it's actually finished17:35
DogWaterwell, the install works fine without source, though17:35
DogWaterit complains but it appears to work17:35
cjwatsonit doesn't care about source, but if you are using the initrd from -proposed/-updates then you need the binary packages from -proposed/-updates to go with it, or it will break17:35
DogWaterah, yeah i'll add proposed then17:36
DogWaterby the way, do the earlier versions such as 8.04 and 7.10 kickstarts work or are they broken as 8.10 was previously?17:36
cjwatsonthey do not contain the bug that broke busybox getopt17:36
cjwatsonthat one was 8.10 only, due to a glitch in a merge from Debian17:37
DogWaterwell thats good news at least hopefully it will be fairly easy to automate those two17:37
DogWatercjwatson: by having that proposed flag in the pxelinux am i at risk of running some bleeding edge stuff which could be unstable, etc?17:39
cjwatsonso try it without first17:40
cjwatsononce you fix your mirror17:40
DogWatercjwatson: well it couldn't be the mirror, because that line is required when installing with archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu17:41
cjwatsonit WAS required before we put the -11 kernel in -updates17:41
cjwatsonit should not be required now17:41
DogWateroic u81217:41
DogWaterso essentially the reason the x86 version works fine is because for whatever reason that update spread faster?17:42
cjwatsonor you tested the i386 build after the amd64 build ...17:42
DogWaterHm? No, I only tried the x64 version after getting i386 to work17:43
DogWaterx64 is almost an afterthought around here but i need it to work17:43
cjwatsonperhaps your mirror handles amd64 differently, I don't know. Retest amd64 now and come back to me if it's still broken on archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu17:43
cjwatson(BTW it isn't called "x64")17:43
cjwatson(at least not in this part of the world ...)17:44
DogWatersorry i deal with something like 40 different operating systems if you count distributions17:44
DogWatercentos calls it x86-64 you call it amd64, windows calls it x6417:45
cjwatsonI don't really see how the amd64 kernel could somehow propagate any faster; our mirroring methods are rather careful to keep things in sync17:46
cjwatsonI would need to see logs of the failed installation17:46
DogWaterI'm not complaining it just confuses me being who I am to see the i386 version work and the amd64 version not work given everything else being the same17:47
DogWatermy mind expects parity17:49
cjwatsonso does mine, and they *should* be at parity here17:51
cjwatsonbut I don't want to end up trying to investigate a bug in your mirror, and so I'd prefer confirmation that it's still broken on archive.ubuntu.com17:51
cjwatsonwe don't generally release updates out of step across architectures17:52
DogWaterif i add the line to the append = in pxelinux and use archive.ubuntu.com it works, if i just use archive.ubuntu.com it doesnt. I don't need that line on i386 no matter what mirror i use.17:52
DogWaterthats what im trying to convey17:52
cjwatsonI would like to see logs of the failure when you do not add apt-setup/proposed=true and use archive.ubuntu.comm17:53
cjwatsonI cannot easily do an amd64 test at the moment17:54
DogWatermaybe i'm totally wrong actually let me test some more ;-)17:56
DogWatermaybe my mirror doesnt work, i dunno ;-)17:57
DogWateri have i386,amd64 in the architectures17:57
DogWatercjwatson: damn i hate it when you're right when i switched my debmirror to archives the first thing it downloaded was headers for the new kernel18:26
DogWaterand modules18:27
cjwatsongood to hear it's sorted18:27
DogWaterit will be in 24hr when its done downloading, lol18:27
nicehumenanyone knows where is indian support18:32
nicehumeni mean channel18:33
cjwatsonno idea, sorry18:35
cjwatsondid you try for example googling for "ubuntu indian irc"?18:35
DogWatercjwatson: anecdotally, do you have to wait for an entire run of debmirror to complete before the new stuff it downloaded will be 'available'?20:26
CIA-3ubiquity: evand * r2991 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.11.520:41
cjwatsonDogWater: yes21:54
cjwatsonDogWater: as I said above, it only moves the index files into place at the end, and until that happens nothing will know that the new files are available21:55
CIA-3debian-installer: cjwatson * r1027 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu1123:37
CIA-3installation-guide: cjwatson * r443 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml): Document pkgsel/install-recommends.23:45

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