| alkisg | !info system-config-users | 06:34 |
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| ubottu | Package system-config-users does not exist in intrepid | 06:34 |
| alkisg | For LaserJock (later), evaluation of system-config-user: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01544.html | 06:41 |
| alkisg | !info libuser | 10:29 |
| ubottu | libuser (source: libuser): user and group account administration library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.56.9.dfsg.1-1ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 381 kB, installed size 2388 kB | 10:29 |
| alkisg | nubae, system-config-users depends on this ^ | 10:30 |
| alkisg | Apparently it's a redhat lib, but it's been ported to debian also (if I got this right). | 10:31 |
| ogra | well, system-config-users is *the* redhat tool | 10:31 |
| ogra | (which they are about to abandon because its so awful i was told) | 10:31 |
| alkisg | ogra: them, too? | 10:32 |
| alkisg | So what should gnome people be using? | 10:32 |
| ogra | well, thats what warren said | 10:32 |
| ogra | gnome uses users-admin and sadly sticks to it afaik | 10:32 |
| alkisg | We were talking with nubae about porting system-config-users to debian/ubuntu... | 10:32 |
| alkisg | ogra, there was some discussion this summer by ubuntu people looking to dump users-admin and all of gnome-system-tools | 10:33 |
| ogra | talk to pitti in #ubuntu-devel he did a review of it during hardy iirc and didnt find any positive things | 10:33 |
| alkisg | ty | 10:33 |
| ogra | i'm sure he is all with you that something new is needed, but s-c-u wasnt really advanced beyond users-admin ... | 10:34 |
| ogra | (note this is all not from me, only the stuff i heard from him) | 10:35 |
| ogra | i never tried s-c-u myself | 10:35 |
| alkisg | ogra: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01544.html | 10:36 |
| ogra | users-admin isnt bad, it just has this awful frontend backend split which is perl vs C ... so its very hard to patch and change | 10:36 |
| alkisg | Were were looking for a python based tool, which would also allow scripting for admins to do stuff | 10:36 |
| alkisg | And system-config-users looked like a good option... | 10:37 |
| ogra | right | 10:37 |
| alkisg | Let me talk with Pitt | 10:37 |
| ogra | i'm sure the desktop team would be happy with an improvement, though i'm not sure they still aim for s-c-u i suspect they rather down | 10:38 |
| ogra | *dont | 10:39 |
| alkisg | ogra, do you know if Debian/Ubuntu has a library that we could use for developing a new user management tool? Something like libuser? | 10:40 |
| alkisg | Cause it would be much easier if we had a solid backend... | 10:40 |
| ogra | if you want solid, use adduser, getent and firends and write a wrapper python module | 10:40 |
| alkisg | This would work for ldap/nis also? | 10:41 |
| ogra | iirc they sit on top of pam/nss | 10:42 |
| ogra | so whatever that uses | 10:42 |
| alkisg | That would be a good solution then... thanks! | 10:42 |
| alkisg | Ah, no, `man useradd` says " You may not add a user to a NIS or LDAP group. This must be performed on the corresponding server." | 10:45 |
| alkisg | So this would be read-only | 10:46 |
| alkisg | Ah, it's only for joining groups, it _can_ create ldap users but has some limitations. OK then. | 10:46 |
| nubae | alkisg: have u visually used the fedora user management tool yet? | 10:53 |
| alkisg | Yes, on the live cd | 10:53 |
| nubae | and what were your thoughts? | 10:54 |
| alkisg | It's really simple, I was looking for something more advanced | 10:54 |
| nubae | oh... shame | 10:54 |
| nubae | well, I guess its make something from sratch then | 10:54 |
| alkisg | But it would be a good start (the code), as I'm not experienced in python nor gtk... : | 10:54 |
| nubae | or... look at other distro adduser stuff | 10:54 |
| alkisg | So I was thinking of using parts of it for the main code base, and build on top of that. In the end it wouldn't be ...recognisable, though :) | 10:55 |
| alkisg | I hope we can persuade sbalneav to mentor us! :P :D | 10:59 |
| T1loc | Hi | 11:02 |
| T1loc | i can't download the edubuntu version 8.0.4 ? | 11:02 |
| nubae | alkisg: yeah indeed, and maybe Gadi | 11:04 |
| alkisg | nubae: do you have experience with bazaar / branches / ppa etc? | 11:04 |
| nubae | yeah | 11:04 |
| alkisg | That's a relief! I don't! :D | 11:05 |
| alkisg | I can code, though, so I won't be totally useless | 11:05 |
| nubae | I do the ltsp-docs pushes sometimes | 11:05 |
| nubae | using bazaar is really easy | 11:05 |
| nubae | just make sure u create your ssh keys and upload them to the server, then u can begin pulling and pushing | 11:06 |
| nubae | http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html | 11:06 |
| alkisg | Organizing the package / registering the branch is my concern, I'm sure I can use bazaar later on. | 11:06 |
| nubae | take a look at that, I used that to get started | 11:07 |
| nubae | as its upstream, it will just be a code repository | 11:08 |
| nubae | the PPA is made in your personal files area | 11:08 |
| alkisg | OK, looks easy enough. What about the needed makefiles / readme / authors and other standard files? | 11:08 |
| nubae | sure, they all get put in the trunk | 11:09 |
| alkisg | I mean, I've (almost) never created a Makefile myself | 11:09 |
| nubae | dont think we'd need a makefile... that can be put straight into deb | 11:09 |
| alkisg | Ah, fine then | 11:10 |
| alkisg | brb | 11:13 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:42 |
| HedgeMage | good morning | 14:43 |
| nubae | afternoon | 14:45 |
| Ahmuck | *yawn* | 15:16 |
| calimer | :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiZ9-l-DxFs | 16:52 |
| nubae | nice calimer | 16:57 |
| calimer | :) | 16:57 |
| calimer | that thing took forever, geez | 16:57 |
| calimer | didn't realize how much work would be required | 16:57 |
| Ahmuck | i don'g get sandbox | 17:01 |
| Ahmuck | don't | 17:01 |
| nubae | 3d game maker | 17:02 |
| nubae | whats not to get? | 17:02 |
| Ahmuck | do kids just place stuff? | 17:02 |
| Ahmuck | or they need to know scripting? | 17:03 |
| calimer | ahmuck depends what you want to do | 17:56 |
| calimer | but a ton can be done without scripting | 17:56 |
| calimer | check out the tutorial video | 17:56 |
| calimer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g44Ww2bg2_E | 17:58 |
| calimer | just about all the stuff in the gameplay trailer was done in game | 18:02 |
| calimer | only the dialog stuff really is scripting | 18:02 |
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