[06:34] <alkisg> !info system-config-users
[06:41] <alkisg> For LaserJock (later), evaluation of system-config-user: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01544.html
[10:29] <alkisg> !info libuser
[10:30] <alkisg> nubae, system-config-users depends on this ^
[10:31] <alkisg> Apparently it's a redhat lib, but it's been ported to debian also (if I got this right).
[10:31] <ogra> well, system-config-users is *the* redhat tool
[10:31] <ogra> (which they are about to abandon because its so awful i was told)
[10:32] <alkisg> ogra: them, too?
[10:32] <alkisg> So what should gnome people be using?
[10:32] <ogra> well, thats what warren said
[10:32] <ogra> gnome uses users-admin and sadly sticks to it afaik
[10:32] <alkisg> We were talking with nubae about porting system-config-users to debian/ubuntu...
[10:33] <alkisg> ogra, there was some discussion this summer by ubuntu people looking to dump users-admin and all of gnome-system-tools
[10:33] <ogra> talk to pitti in #ubuntu-devel he did a review of it during hardy iirc and didnt find any positive things
[10:33] <alkisg> ty
[10:34] <ogra> i'm sure he is all with you that something new is needed, but s-c-u wasnt really advanced beyond users-admin ...
[10:35] <ogra> (note this is all not from me, only the stuff i heard from him)
[10:35] <ogra> i never tried s-c-u myself
[10:36] <alkisg> ogra: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01544.html
[10:36] <ogra> users-admin isnt bad, it just has this awful frontend backend split which is perl vs C ... so its very hard to patch and change
[10:36] <alkisg> Were were looking for a python based tool, which would also allow scripting for admins to do stuff
[10:37] <alkisg> And system-config-users looked like a good option...
[10:37] <ogra> right
[10:37] <alkisg> Let me talk with Pitt
[10:38] <ogra> i'm sure the desktop team would be happy with an improvement, though i'm not sure they still aim for s-c-u i suspect they rather down
[10:39] <ogra> *dont
[10:40] <alkisg> ogra, do you know if Debian/Ubuntu has a library that we could use for developing a new user management tool? Something like libuser?
[10:40] <alkisg> Cause it would be much easier if we had a solid backend...
[10:40] <ogra> if you want solid, use adduser, getent and firends and write a wrapper python module
[10:41] <alkisg> This would work for ldap/nis also?
[10:42] <ogra> iirc they sit on top of pam/nss
[10:42] <ogra> so whatever that uses
[10:42] <alkisg> That would be a good solution then... thanks!
[10:45] <alkisg> Ah, no, `man useradd` says " You may not add a user to a NIS or LDAP group. This must be performed on the corresponding server."
[10:46] <alkisg> So this would be read-only
[10:46] <alkisg> Ah, it's only for joining groups, it _can_ create ldap users but has some limitations. OK then.
[10:53] <nubae> alkisg: have u visually used the fedora user management tool yet?
[10:53] <alkisg> Yes, on the live cd
[10:54] <nubae> and what were your thoughts?
[10:54] <alkisg> It's really simple, I was looking for something more advanced
[10:54] <nubae> oh... shame
[10:54] <nubae> well, I guess its make something from sratch then
[10:54] <alkisg> But it would be a good start (the code), as I'm not experienced in python nor gtk... :
[10:54] <nubae> or... look at other distro adduser stuff
[10:55] <alkisg> So I was thinking of using parts of it for the main code base, and build on top of that. In the end it wouldn't be ...recognisable, though :)
[10:59] <alkisg> I hope we can persuade sbalneav to mentor us! :P :D
[11:02] <T1loc> Hi
[11:02] <T1loc> i can't download the edubuntu version 8.0.4 ?
[11:04] <nubae> alkisg: yeah indeed, and maybe Gadi
[11:04] <alkisg> nubae: do you have experience with bazaar / branches / ppa etc?
[11:04] <nubae> yeah
[11:05] <alkisg> That's a relief! I don't! :D
[11:05] <alkisg> I can code, though, so I won't be totally useless
[11:05] <nubae> I do the ltsp-docs pushes sometimes
[11:05] <nubae> using bazaar is really easy
[11:06] <nubae> just make sure u create your ssh keys and upload them to the server, then u can begin pulling and pushing
[11:06] <nubae> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
[11:06] <alkisg> Organizing the package / registering the branch is my concern, I'm sure I can use bazaar later on.
[11:07] <nubae> take a look at that, I used that to get started
[11:08] <nubae> as its upstream, it will just be a code repository
[11:08] <nubae> the PPA is made in your personal files area
[11:08] <alkisg> OK, looks easy enough. What about the needed makefiles / readme / authors and other standard files?
[11:09] <nubae> sure, they all get put in the trunk
[11:09] <alkisg> I mean, I've (almost) never created a Makefile myself
[11:09] <nubae> dont think we'd need a makefile... that can be put straight into deb
[11:10] <alkisg> Ah, fine then
[11:13] <alkisg> brb
[14:42] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:43] <HedgeMage> good morning
[14:45] <nubae> afternoon
[15:16] <Ahmuck> *yawn*
[16:52] <calimer> :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiZ9-l-DxFs
[16:57] <nubae> nice calimer
[16:57] <calimer> :)
[16:57] <calimer> that thing took forever, geez
[16:57] <calimer> didn't realize how much work would be required
[17:01] <Ahmuck> i don'g get sandbox
[17:01] <Ahmuck> don't
[17:02] <nubae> 3d game maker
[17:02] <nubae> whats not to get?
[17:02] <Ahmuck> do kids just place stuff?
[17:03] <Ahmuck> or they need to know scripting?
[17:56] <calimer> ahmuck depends what you want to do
[17:56] <calimer> but a ton can be done without scripting
[17:56] <calimer> check out the tutorial video
[17:58] <calimer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g44Ww2bg2_E
[18:02] <calimer> just about all the stuff in the gameplay trailer was done in game
[18:02] <calimer> only the dialog stuff really is scripting