[06:34] !info system-config-users [06:34] Package system-config-users does not exist in intrepid [06:41] For LaserJock (later), evaluation of system-config-user: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01544.html [10:29] !info libuser [10:29] libuser (source: libuser): user and group account administration library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.56.9.dfsg.1-1ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 381 kB, installed size 2388 kB [10:30] nubae, system-config-users depends on this ^ [10:31] Apparently it's a redhat lib, but it's been ported to debian also (if I got this right). [10:31] well, system-config-users is *the* redhat tool [10:31] (which they are about to abandon because its so awful i was told) [10:32] ogra: them, too? [10:32] So what should gnome people be using? [10:32] well, thats what warren said [10:32] gnome uses users-admin and sadly sticks to it afaik [10:32] We were talking with nubae about porting system-config-users to debian/ubuntu... [10:33] ogra, there was some discussion this summer by ubuntu people looking to dump users-admin and all of gnome-system-tools [10:33] talk to pitti in #ubuntu-devel he did a review of it during hardy iirc and didnt find any positive things [10:33] ty [10:34] i'm sure he is all with you that something new is needed, but s-c-u wasnt really advanced beyond users-admin ... [10:35] (note this is all not from me, only the stuff i heard from him) [10:35] i never tried s-c-u myself [10:36] ogra: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01544.html [10:36] users-admin isnt bad, it just has this awful frontend backend split which is perl vs C ... so its very hard to patch and change [10:36] Were were looking for a python based tool, which would also allow scripting for admins to do stuff [10:37] And system-config-users looked like a good option... [10:37] right [10:37] Let me talk with Pitt [10:38] i'm sure the desktop team would be happy with an improvement, though i'm not sure they still aim for s-c-u i suspect they rather down [10:39] *dont [10:40] ogra, do you know if Debian/Ubuntu has a library that we could use for developing a new user management tool? Something like libuser? [10:40] Cause it would be much easier if we had a solid backend... [10:40] if you want solid, use adduser, getent and firends and write a wrapper python module [10:41] This would work for ldap/nis also? [10:42] iirc they sit on top of pam/nss [10:42] so whatever that uses [10:42] That would be a good solution then... thanks! [10:45] Ah, no, `man useradd` says " You may not add a user to a NIS or LDAP group. This must be performed on the corresponding server." [10:46] So this would be read-only [10:46] Ah, it's only for joining groups, it _can_ create ldap users but has some limitations. OK then. [10:53] alkisg: have u visually used the fedora user management tool yet? [10:53] Yes, on the live cd [10:54] and what were your thoughts? [10:54] It's really simple, I was looking for something more advanced [10:54] oh... shame [10:54] well, I guess its make something from sratch then [10:54] But it would be a good start (the code), as I'm not experienced in python nor gtk... : [10:54] or... look at other distro adduser stuff [10:55] So I was thinking of using parts of it for the main code base, and build on top of that. In the end it wouldn't be ...recognisable, though :) [10:59] I hope we can persuade sbalneav to mentor us! :P :D [11:02] Hi [11:02] i can't download the edubuntu version 8.0.4 ? [11:04] alkisg: yeah indeed, and maybe Gadi [11:04] nubae: do you have experience with bazaar / branches / ppa etc? [11:04] yeah [11:05] That's a relief! I don't! :D [11:05] I can code, though, so I won't be totally useless [11:05] I do the ltsp-docs pushes sometimes [11:05] using bazaar is really easy [11:06] just make sure u create your ssh keys and upload them to the server, then u can begin pulling and pushing [11:06] http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html [11:06] Organizing the package / registering the branch is my concern, I'm sure I can use bazaar later on. [11:07] take a look at that, I used that to get started [11:08] as its upstream, it will just be a code repository [11:08] the PPA is made in your personal files area [11:08] OK, looks easy enough. What about the needed makefiles / readme / authors and other standard files? [11:09] sure, they all get put in the trunk [11:09] I mean, I've (almost) never created a Makefile myself [11:09] dont think we'd need a makefile... that can be put straight into deb [11:10] Ah, fine then [11:13] brb [14:42] Morning all [14:43] good morning [14:45] afternoon [15:16] *yawn* [16:52] :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiZ9-l-DxFs [16:57] nice calimer [16:57] :) [16:57] that thing took forever, geez [16:57] didn't realize how much work would be required [17:01] i don'g get sandbox [17:01] don't [17:02] 3d game maker [17:02] whats not to get? [17:02] do kids just place stuff? [17:03] or they need to know scripting? [17:56] ahmuck depends what you want to do [17:56] but a ton can be done without scripting [17:56] check out the tutorial video [17:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g44Ww2bg2_E [18:02] just about all the stuff in the gameplay trailer was done in game [18:02] only the dialog stuff really is scripting