jjesseDaSkreech: tell me that, you aren't the one writin docs for both kubuntu/kde/book + real life00:00
DaSkreechThe workflow for installing an app or indeed any other action shouldn't be dangerous in one desktop versus another00:00
rickspencer3DaSkreech: yeah00:01
DaSkreechjjesse: I'm here for proof reading Throw things at me as soon as you want00:01
rickspencer3these are deep conversations, can we pick them up later?00:01
jjesseDaSkreech: thanks, i just got the final copy of version 3 so.....00:01
rickspencer3I lurk here pretty much every day00:01
jjesserickspencer3: is there a rickspencer2 and rickspencer1 as well?00:02
DaSkreechrickspencer3: a lot of this could be mitigated if there was a method of a) shouting that you are doing something that might hurt the other (for you) unknown desktops and b) a way to scream for help if packages or choices drastically alter a user's experience out of box00:02
DaSkreechrickspencer3: Sure I'm mostly pokable if I'm on line00:03
rickspencer3jjesse: yes, rickspencer1 was my grandpa, rickspencer2 is my dad, and rickspencer4 is my son (no lie)00:03
jjessewow cool00:03
DaSkreechHa ha :-)00:03
DaSkreechThat's neat00:03
DaSkreechWould his daugter be rickspencer 4 the new flavour ?00:04
rickspencer3nice to meet you all (again)00:04
DaSkreechBye! :)00:04
DaSkreechThanks for swining by00:04
yuriyblizzz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam/Projects/AluminiumCaseBadges00:05
yuriyblizzz: I was talking about making kubuntu versions of that00:05
blizzzyuriy: per se we are interested in it00:07
yuriyblizzz: I'd like some estimates for orders so I can propose them for the next batch00:08
blizzzyuriy: what would they cost, and what is the shippinbg ot germany?00:08
blizzzshipping to00:08
yuriyI can't find the pricing chart right now unfortunately, I think doctormo took it down. I think we got it down to about 50 cents a piece last time with some huge number of orders for the Ubuntu ones00:10
yuriyi'm primarily guaging interest right now00:11
blizzzyuriy: when do you need to knwo it at latest? interesting for us are the shipping costs to germany. we'd be intererested in 100 pieces.00:15
yuriyblizzz: that's all I was looking for, thanks.  I'll get back to you with more info if this gets off the ground. this is germany loco?00:17
blizzzyuriy: just ping me, this is kubuntu-de.org00:20
knusperfrosch /wc00:20
DaSkreechok konqueror is really annoying me00:20
knusperfroschups :)00:20
a|wenmail written to the nateon main dev - check00:22
rgreeningRiddell: quick launcher plasma widget crashes plasma for me with qt4.500:24
DaSkreechTonio_: I dislike kget00:25
DaSkreechKonqueror as well but Kget is really annoying00:25
Riddella|wen, ScottK: nateon, kita2 and knights gone00:27
a|wenRiddell: cool00:27
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: JontheEchidna now available with MOTU powas | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Specs! http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs
seelergreening: around?00:28
rgreeningseele: helo :)00:28
seelergreening: hi!00:28
seelergreening: do you remember volunteering to look at kpackagekit at UDS? :)00:29
jjessergreening: are you still working ufw-kde and if so is there an alpha or something that i could look at for documentation?00:29
jjessergreening: that is to start documenting?00:29
rgreeningseele: yeah, I remember something about the categories, which seem to be in the app (and we couldn't find at the time)00:30
seelergreening: right, so we need to know if it would be possible to add another page to be able to search for applications (rather than packages)00:30
seeleand possibly make some tweaks to searching00:30
rgreeningjjesse: no update on ufw-kde since. It's in my PPA, and the gui front end is pretty complete, just needs some back-end work and to figure out the whole sudo requiremnt for the app00:31
Riddellnight all00:31
rgreeningRiddell: nn00:31
ScottK-desktopapachelogger: I don't think it's in our power to prevent Rosetta from producing crap language packs.00:31
jjessergreening: so i can install from your ppa and start documenting it? is it intrepid or jjaunyt?00:31
rgreeningseele: that should be doable.00:31
rgreeningjjesse: I believe I packaged for intrepid00:32
* jjesse looks at his documentation list and shudders00:32
rgreeningjjesse: I'd leave the ufw-kde towards bottom of list00:32
seelergreening: ok.  let me know after you look at it. there isn't much time left before ff00:32
jjessergreening: dont worry i have :)00:32
rgreeningseele: I know... time flies way too quickly00:33
rgreeningI'm trying to get qt4.5 to behave with kde4.2. I get crashes and so does Riddell.00:33
rgreeningjjesse: if you use my PPA, I have qt4.5 in there so be careful if you dont want it.00:34
jjessergreening: that's what snapshots of VMs are for :000:34
rgreeningapachelogger: ping00:41
lex79rgreening: apachelogger sleeps :)00:44
rgreeningstupid timezones :)00:44
lex79yes :)00:45
a|wenyeah (who was it that invented the meeting being at 5 am)00:45
=== nhandler_ is now known as nhandler
* a|wen heads out for coffee and class ... see you all later01:12
lex79JontheEchidna: bug 32256901:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322569 in plasmoid-cpuload "[Jaunty]plasmoid-cpuload does not work with kde 4.2, needs upgrade" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32256901:39
JontheEchidnalex79: I just commented on it :)01:39
lex79JontheEchidna: plasmoid-memusage?01:40
JontheEchidnalex79: got that one too01:40
JontheEchidnaand spellcheck01:40
JontheEchidnasorry, gotta test out my MOTU powas somehow ^_^01:40
lex79JontheEchidna: others plasmoid needs work?01:40
JontheEchidnalex79: nope, scottk and vorian took care of all of the ones we have beforehand01:41
JontheEchidnamainly I uploaded the new releases so we wouldn't have to carry around patches anymore01:41
claydohJontheEchidna:  congrats02:10
nhandlerJontheEchidna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New02:13
lex79nhandler: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-runcommand02:24
* nhandler goes to look02:24
nhandlerCould you push it to a PPA? I don't have a working pbuilder right now02:25
lex79which ppa? mine?02:26
nhandlerAnd once it builds, could you test that it installs/runs (i'm in Ubuntu intrepid right now)02:27
ScottK-desktopRiddell: Kees +1 for Quassel is now fully reflected in the MIR text.02:28
ScottK-desktopnhandler: Install KDE 4.2 from our PPA and for a plasmoid it'll be indistinguishable from Jaunty.02:29
nhandlerScottK-desktop: I'm holding off installing KDE right now. I'm hoping to do some jaunty debugging over the weekend02:30
Hobbseekde 4.2 looks quite impressive now02:44
=== freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying
lex79installs and runs are ok02:57
nhandlerlex79: Ok, I'll advocate it. I don't think it matters enough that it FTBFS in lpia02:58
lex79yes, all plasmoids FTBS in lpia, I don't know why...03:01
ScottKBecause kde4libs is currently FTBFS in lpia due to X borkage03:02
ScottKAll you'll get right now are i386, amd64, and armel if you're lucky.03:02
lex79ScottK ok03:02
DaSkreechSo oo.o is the only thing that uses KDE3 libs?03:03
DaSkreechand Kopete03:03
ScottKNot Kopete03:03
ScottKThat's why we looked for an alternative.03:03
DaSkreechKopete's buddy list is kde303:03
DaSkreechor Qt3 I think03:04
DaSkreechhi Hobbsee03:04
ScottKk3b and k-NM are the hard spots currently03:04
Hobbseeheya DaSkreech03:04
DaSkreechHow's the weather in the wacky island?03:04
DaSkreechk-NM should be available03:04
JontheEchidnaDaSkreech: it uses the kde3support libs which are in kde4 kdelibs03:04
DaSkreechooooh ok03:04
JontheEchidnaclaydoh: thanks03:05
ScottKDaSkreech: Available yes, working enough, dunno03:05
JontheEchidnanhandler: thanks for the link also03:05
nhandlernp JontheEchidna. That wiki page really should be better linked to. It is really useful03:05
JontheEchidnayeah, I was wondering where something like that was03:06
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Also remember to change your dput.cf file so that it doesn't upload to the Ubuntu repos by default03:06
ScottKWhich wiki page?03:06
nhandlerScottK-desktop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New03:06
JontheEchidnaI believe my default only allows a series of "UNRELEASED?!"03:06
JontheEchidnaallowed_distributions= (?!UNRELEASED)03:07
ScottKI default upload to 'bob'.03:07
ScottKHe never takes the package.03:07
JontheEchidnaoh, so that's how you guys sponsor my work03:08
* JontheEchidna feels enlightened03:09
ScottKThat page didn't exist when I became a MOTU.03:09
* ScottK recalls doing his first post-MOTUhood merge and asking, "what do I do with it now."03:10
ScottKThe answer was, of course, "Upload it."03:10
nhandlerIf I remember, I might add some other common tasks that new MOTUs need to do to that wiki page03:11
ScottKWhen you're new is the time to do it.03:12
JontheEchidnaScottK: btw, did you see that bug I subscribed you to?03:13
nhandlerScottK: I'm still relatively new. I've only been a MOTU for a little over a month03:13
HobbseeNightrose: any idea who wrote the kde 4 release announcements?03:18
nhandlerHobbsee: I think Riddell did03:18
HobbseeNightrose: you might encourage whoever wrote them to use the spellcheck.03:18
Hobbseenhandler: for http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.2/desktop.php ?03:18
nhandlerHobbsee: I don't know about that. I thought you meant Kubuntu 4.2 release announcement03:19
Hobbseenhandler: no :)03:19
ScottKJontheEchidna: I did.03:27
ScottKI did read the whole history.03:27
DaSkreechJos and Sebas I think03:27
JontheEchidnaScottK: k, cool. I don't think it ever worked too well tbh03:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: From just the bugmail my initial reaction was "broken thing no one cares about may or may not be slightly more broken."03:28
* JontheEchidna seems to remember notes in the packaging suggesting as much03:28
JontheEchidnaScottK: yeah, I didn't even know that I couldn't care about it :P03:29
DaSkreechHobbsee: What's wrong with it?03:31
HobbseeDaSkreech: spelling of 'botom' on that link, for one.03:31
Hobbseei didn't carefully proof read it, but did notice that typo.03:31
nhandlerI just added a section to that wiki page about modifying your dput.cf file. I realize it is a little wordy, so if somebody wants to clean it up a little, it would be greatly appreciated03:33
BsimsI'd like to know if there is a script to package kde 3.5 in a semi automatic way and have it dump a Pile'O'Debs out03:33
BsimsI'd be willing to do some work and host a repo for it if it's not insanely complex I've used dpkg for single binaries03:34
lex79nhandler or anyone: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-weatherforecast03:34
nhandlerlex79: I'll take a look03:35
lex79when you have time, no problem03:36
nhandlerDid it install/run?03:36
BsimsCan anyone point me to a tutorial to build multi binary debs03:36
lex79nhandler: yes, it is in my desktop :)03:37
JontheEchidnalex79, nhandler: I can take a second look too03:41
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Give me a second to add my comment03:42
JontheEchidnasure thing03:42
nhandlerOk, go ahead JontheEchidna03:43
lex79nhandler: grammar mistakes :)03:46
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Are you marked as a MOTU on REVU?03:49
JontheEchidnanhandler: yus, jpds did so this morning03:49
JontheEchidnaand I can find no further issues than the ones you mentioned :)03:49
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Do you want to make the changes and upload?03:50
JontheEchidnaIt would be good experience mehtinks03:50
JontheEchidnamethinks, even03:50
nhandlerOnce you upload, you will need to send an email to ubuntu-motu03:50
JontheEchidnaso make the changes, upload, advocate, archive?03:50
nhandlerFirst, add a comment advocating and saying you will upload03:51
nhandlerMake the changes to the package, upload to the repositories, and archive the upload on REVU03:51
nhandlerThen, send a copy of the email you get saying the package was accepted to ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com03:51
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Also, look at the last section on the new motu wiki page03:52
* JontheEchidna has said wiki page bookmarked03:52
nhandlerI remember when I first became a MOTU...I had printed out that wiki page and was reading it in the hallway before school03:53
JontheEchidnahmm, now to elaborate on that long desc03:57
JontheEchidnawait, this might depend on kdeplasma-addons03:57
JontheEchidnafor the weather dataengine03:57
nhandlerlex79: Did it work without kdeplasma-addons?03:58
JontheEchidnathe homepage says as much too03:58
JontheEchidnaI think this will warrant another upload to revu03:59
lex79I don't try without kdeplasma-addons03:59
nhandlerJontheEchidna: There really is no need to upload again to REVU. What will that accomplish?03:59
lex79plasmoid-weather depends on kdeplasma-addons?03:59
JontheEchidnahmm, I guess you're right. The wiki said that more than minor changes should be noted in the changelog but since this is an initial release...04:00
JontheEchidnalex79: I'll take care of it04:00
nhandlerJontheEchidna: The only changes I normally include in the changelog for a new package are patches that I add, and a note if it had to be repacked04:00
JontheEchidnalex79: how is this for a long description:04:02
JontheEchidnaThis plasmoid shows the current temperature, as well as the weather forecast04:02
JontheEchidna for the next two days04:02
JontheEchidnahmm, maybe that comma isn't necessary04:02
nhandlerHow about "This plasmoid shows the temperature and weather forecast for the next two days04:04
JontheEchidnaThis plasmoid shows the current temperature and weather conditions as well as04:05
JontheEchidna the weather forecast for the next two days04:05
JontheEchidnaeh, yours is better04:05
jcastroJontheEchidna: congrats!04:07
jcastroI thought you were a motu already04:07
JontheEchidnaheh :)04:08
jjessei think everyone thought that JontheEchidna was a motu already as well04:08
* JontheEchidna tests the plasmoid without kdeplasma-addons04:13
vorianholy cow04:13
vorianContrats JontheEchidna :)04:13
vorianupload anything fun yet?04:15
JontheEchidnaonly 4 new upstream releases of plasmoids that incorporate your patches04:15
nhandlerHe is also looking at some REVU packages04:16
JontheEchidnaok, so the weather dataengine is in kdebase-workspace-bin now04:17
JontheEchidnawhich also contains plasma, so we should be cool with that04:17
JontheEchidnano changes needed in regards to that I think04:17
nhandlervorian: In the mood for some editing?04:17
nhandlervorian: Lasat section on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New04:18
nhandlerIt is a little wordy04:18
vorianyeah, easy04:18
vorian"To make sure you don't really F things up, put 'donkey-kong' as your default dput location"04:19
JontheEchidnadebuild -S -sa -k<echidnaman@kubuntu.org>04:19
nhandlervorian: I would also add the [donkey-kong] stanza, but I guess it really doesn't matter04:19
JontheEchidnaisn't working :(04:19
nhandlerJontheEchidna: The <>'s aren't needed04:20
vorianJontheEchidna: i have my key set in devscripts04:20
* JontheEchidna facepalms04:20
* JontheEchidna uploads04:21
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Remember to add a comment advocating the upload on REVU. Upload, archive, and forward the email04:21
* JontheEchidna notices how the svgs are many times bigger than the plasmoid itself04:22
voriani think items 1 and 6 could also be combined04:22
JontheEchidnalex79: uploaded04:23
voriane-mail Riddell for stickers?04:23
JontheEchidnalex79: thanks for your awesome plasmoid packaging work04:23
jjessevorian yes for kubuntu stickers04:23
vorianaddress and whatnot?04:24
nhandlervorian: Just send him your mailing address and a subject of "STICKERS"04:24
jjessejr@kubuntu.org i think04:24
vorianjjesse: close, but not quite04:25
ScottKJontheEchidna: -k wants a keyid04:25
lex79JontheEchidna: thanks too04:25
JontheEchidnaScottK: my email worked too04:25
nhandlerScottK: It also accepts an email address associated with the key04:25
ScottKI did not know that.04:25
JontheEchidnaSo I forward the acceptance email to the ubuntu-motu list?04:26
nhandlerScottK: It is mentioned on that New MOTU wiki page I linked to earlier ;)04:26
ScottKWhich didn't exist two years ago ...04:27
a|wenScottK: did you find out anything about teacooker/jackd?04:27
vorianheh, i've only used the trix in devscripts04:27
jjessenhandleryou have to remember that ScottK is the old man of the group04:27
nhandlerjjesse: I know that04:28
ScottKa|wen: Yes.  It seemed just the same for me 4.1.3/
voriannhandler is the youngen of the group04:28
ScottKI just had to wait a bit for it to let go of the device04:28
JontheEchidnalex79: I'll have to revu the runcommand plasmoid tomorrow (in my time zone)04:28
a|wenScottK: okay, so no regression eg. no blocker04:28
* JontheEchidna goes to bed04:28
ScottKa|wen: I'm inclined to say so.04:29
voriannn Mr MOTU04:29
ScottKJontheEchidna: What was your bug.04:29
ScottKa|wen: JontheEchidna found another possible rejection...04:29
ScottKI can look it up04:29
JontheEchidnabug 32254704:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322547 in kdeadmin "kpackage does not display anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32254704:29
JontheEchidnaI sorta wish we didn't package it at all right about now04:30
JontheEchidnaI don't think it's ever worked well04:30
lex79JontheEchidna: so, I mark fixed release this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/296904 ?04:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 296904 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] plasmoid-weatherforecast" [Wishlist,In progress]04:31
JontheEchidnalex79: yes04:31
nhandlerDo needs-packaging bugs get closes when the package is uploaded? I can't remember04:31
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Ok, I didn't think so. I just couldn't remember for sure04:31
JontheEchidnaprobably because they aren't associated with a source package04:32
JontheEchidnaheh, I was about to say kpackage was universe material04:32
JontheEchidnait is in universe :P04:32
nhandlerJontheEchidna: True, but from a technical point of view, there really is no reason that they couldn't be closed04:32
a|wenScottK: hmm, doesn't sound good04:33
ScottKa|wen: Agreed.04:33
ScottKa|wen: My laptop install died.  It's last official act was to upload your kdepim fix.04:33
ScottKCould you have a crack at this one?04:34
* ScottK needs to go find his CD for said laptop and reinstall...04:34
nhandlerNight everyone04:34
ScottKGood night04:34
lex79nhandler: night04:34
JontheEchidnanight here too04:34
a|wenScottK: i'll take a look later today04:35
ScottKGreat.  Thanks.04:35
a|wenuh oh, no commits to kdeadmin (except documentation)04:39
ScottKClearly it's his imagination then.04:41
a|wenScottK: kde bug 168577 maybe?04:42
ubottuKDE bug 168577 in general "hangs after start at a stage "generating package information"" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16857704:42
a|wenpresent in 4.1.0 through 4.1.404:43
ScottKSounds like not a regression to me.04:43
ScottKFound the CD, BTW.04:43
* a|wen connects the LP bug to the upstream bug04:44
a|wenScottK: does kpackage work in kde4.2 ?04:44
ScottKNo idea.04:44
* ScottK look for someone still awake that has 4.2...04:45
* a|wen has an 8 hour D/L (with -dbg packages) before he has 4.204:45
a|wenwhen any motu comes around, debdiff for cmus is ready in bug 32091505:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320915 in libsdl "Remove aRts from the archive - rebuild all dependencies" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32091505:23
astrommeHmm, this probably isn't good: kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kabc_akonadi.so: undefined symbol: _ZN4KABC12ContactGroup8mimeTypeEv05:31
astrommeAny ideas? Jaunty with 4.2 release05:31
claydohastromme: not sure, but I don't think kdepim for jaunty has been rebuilt yet05:34
claydohthere was a problem with libboost or some such05:34
astrommeclaydoh: Would that point towards why the error is there?05:34
astrommeOut of curiosity, why didn't it prevent me from upgrading my other packages then? Wouldn't kdepim depend on the specific RC?05:35
claydohkdepim is still 4.196 or whatever05:36
claydohsomehow kmail is working now for me05:36
astrommeclaydoh: I get the crash when I try and work with any of my dimap folders05:36
astrommeInbox and such05:36
claydohkopete was the same error earlier too, but is fine now05:36
jjessekmail crashes for me only on my inbox05:37
claydohI was getting it simply clickin on any email05:37
astrommeI get it upon clicking a folder.05:37
claydohand kopete wouldn't start at all05:37
astrommeit'll sync the folders all fine and such, and I see my (22) for unread messages05:37
astrommebut when I try to view them, bam. =/05:38
astrommeOh well, I guess I'll wait. Not fun for sure.05:38
claydohnope tbird and sylpheed don't cut it for me05:38
astrommeI wonder if the updated packages (whenever they come) will include an akonadi that doesn't depend on mysql-server-5.0 but instead can use 5.1 Then I can have Amarok2 and Kontact all happy again.05:38
* claydoh shovels snow, eats, shovels more snow and sleet05:40
* claydoh goes to bed so he can shovel more of it early in the morning05:41
ScottKa|wen: Did the kdepim patch you found make 4.2.0, or was it post 4.2.0?05:59
ScottKastromme: You probably don't want 5.1 for akonadi.06:00
ScottKWe are planning on staying with 5.0 for akonadi and 5.1 for amarok, but having them be co-installable.  They should be now.06:01
a|wenScottK: it made it to 4.2.008:10
a|wenScottK: got in somewhere between rc1 and final08:12
knusperfroscherm how can i fix not translated strings in kde4.2(8.10)?09:18
* a|wen- hates when network breaks during upgrades ... is 80% on kde4.2 (and don't dare to do much while i'm in this state :/ )10:08
jussi01a|wen: erm, if its just downloading still it shouldnt matter, no?10:11
knusperfroschusing the dictionary plasmoid in 4.2 on 8.10 causes: "Could not find requeted component: dict"10:13
knusperfroschbut i can query that enginge with plasmaengingeexplorer10:14
a|wen-jussi01: when my connection goes it returns 302 ... aptitude jumps over and start installing what it can of the d/l'ed packages10:37
* stdin decides to step away from plasma11:33
stdinI managed to get the pastebin applet to post to paste.ubuntu.com, but it seems to only want to work in plasmoidviewer11:35
stdinit's beginning to make by eyes itch11:35
Tm_Tstdin: #plasma (;)11:37
stdinTm_T: when I gather my strength, yes11:39
stdinsee, it does work sometimes http://paste.ubuntu.com/111194/11:40
smarterRiddell: found any issue running 4.5?13:01
smarterTonio_: I just saw that you updated kepas package, nice! But could you please update it in the bzr branch too? :P13:04
Riddellsmarter: my computer kept freezing and first login was broken13:08
Riddellseems better today.. so far13:08
smarterrgreening updated the package?13:08
smarterRiddell: and do you notice any change in performances?13:12
JontheEchidnaHmm, so my email to ubuntu-motu failed last night :/13:20
ScottKa|wen: Did you make it?13:22
ScottKRiddell: pitti accepted a|wen's kdepim fix earlier today.  That's the only known regression we've got in
RiddellScottK: let me look13:30
ScottKI just installed it....13:31
Riddellhe didn't let through my kdeutils upload13:33
Tonio_Riddell: is akonadi known to be broken right now ?13:35
Tonio_Riddell: some plugins have disapeared (no way to add ldap datas for example...)13:35
Tonio_Riddell: and kmail seems crash everytime I wanna plug the akonadi resource...13:36
Tonio_Riddell: fyi the ldap plugin for akonadi was still there a couple of weeks ago...13:36
RiddellTonio_: it's caught up in the boost transition13:36
Riddelldon't think that should cause a problem13:36
Tonio_Riddell: "boost" transition ? you mean ?13:37
=== rdieter_away is now known as rdieter
Riddelllibboost1.34 -> libboost1.3513:37
Tonio_well I'll wait a bit then :)13:38
rgreeningTonio_: wep still no go on latest nm13:39
Tonio_another complete crash...... beta2 was a lot more stable for me...13:39
Tonio_that happens quite often with kde13:39
Tonio_the betas are stable, and then stability goes worse when the release comes out....13:39
nixternalgood morning!13:40
Tonio_rgreening: hum.... worked out for me....13:40
Tonio_rgreening: did you clean up all the connections and kwallet entries ?13:40
Tonio_rgreening: there was a storage problem13:40
rgreeningRiddell: would a rebuild of kde against qt4.5 potentially make things work better for testing qt.4.513:40
nixternallast time I built kde 4.2 against qt4 4.5 it was pretty bad13:41
nixternalhas that all been fixed?13:41
rgreeningTonio_: I never touched kwallet...13:41
LureTonio_: no crashes here... plasma crash or what? It may be some applet that is not rebuilt13:41
rgreeningnixternal: I have qt4.5 in my ppa, and installed it against kde4.2 built against qt.4.4.3. It's not stable (kstartupnotify4 crashes and fails first login everytime)13:42
nixternalok, so that is still a problem13:42
Riddellrgreening: unlikely, but 4.5 final should be out soon13:42
Tonio_Lure: typed "exit" in a konsole13:42
Tonio_Lure: closed kontact...13:42
nixternalya, I saw that as well about a month ago13:43
LureTonio_: and the app crashes or something else (kwin/plasma)?13:43
Tonio_all kdm, I'm back to kdm13:43
LureTonio_: wau, that sounds bad... any stuff in .xsession-errors?13:43
Tonio_happens to me at least once a day right now13:43
rgreeningRiddell: I was thinking rebuilding kde against qt4.5 may expose missing or changed bits (i.e. failed builds)13:44
Tonio_Lure: nothing about X no ;) I'm still investigating13:44
LureTonio_: .xsession-errors is not just about X13:44
LureTonio_: it catches output of kinit, kded13:44
* Lure hopes that this crashes do not start on his jaunty...13:45
Tonio_rgreening: you should clean you kwallet from networkmanager entries13:46
rgreeningTonio_: ok, I'll try that later tonight13:47
rgreeningTonio_: when I have acces to wirless again13:47
Tonio_oki ;)13:48
Tonio_rgreening: just clean everything13:48
Tonio_reboot and test13:48
Tonio_Lure: I know, but I mean there was nothing special in there13:48
rgreeningTonio_: Now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure I tried from a guest account, and could not connect either13:54
Tonio_rgreening: oki... sounds bad :)13:56
Tonio_apachelogger: since I know you also work on koffice package, I uploaded a fixed one yesterday to avoid file conflict with kde-icons-oxygen...13:57
Tonio_apachelogger: that's my only change, and it now ftbfs, here is the issue13:57
Tonio_apachelogger: looks like it just doesn't like 4.2...13:58
stdinhmm, does adept do dist upgrades? (--dist-upgrade)14:06
stdinor do we use something else?14:06
devfilRiddell: what version of qt will be included in jaunty?14:06
devfilRiddell: are chance to have qt 4.4.5 in jaunty?14:08
rgreening4.5.0 devfil14:08
rgreening4.4.5 doesnt exist :)14:08
devfilyes, 4.5.014:08
rgreeningdevfil: want ot help test it?14:09
Riddellsure, if it works without notable problems14:09
freeflyingRiddell: how about the licese issue?14:09
rgreeningdevfil: I have a qt4.5 build in my PPA. KDE4.2 still seems ot have issue with it. Need help tracking down the culprit...14:10
devfilRiddell: in the ubuntu italian mailing list some users are asking for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/237672 . It's not a good idea to work on that package if qt 4.5 will be included14:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 237672 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] qgtkstyle" [Wishlist,Confirmed]14:10
Riddellfreeflying: what licence issue?14:11
freeflyingI've tried qt-4.5 + kde 4.3 svn. it works without noteable issues14:11
Riddelldevfil: best wait for that until we decide if 4.5 is going in14:11
devfilRiddell: ok14:12
freeflyingRiddell: nothing, I forgot something :)14:12
RiddellJontheEchidna: why did you need to forward that plasmoid-runcommand e-mail to ubuntu-motu?14:13
ScottKRiddell: We do that for all New packages.14:13
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I got it working btw, all I needed was a resend14:13
RiddellScottK: why's that?14:14
ScottKTo let everyone know when new packages enter the archive.14:14
Riddellsurely you just comment on revu14:14
ScottKNot everyone looks at REVU.14:15
a|wenScottK: as far as i can tell 4.1.4 does look to run pretty good :) ... haven't had any problems14:19
ScottKa|wen: Seems so here too.14:20
ScottKWould you please comment in the bugs.14:20
a|wenScottK: i'll do that14:21
ScottKa|wen: Thanks.14:22
* ScottK gets a towel and wipes off vorian's spittle.14:22
LureScottK: can you offer some core-dev powers for sposored upload of kdeedu?14:27
* Lure will learn all core-dev names today ;-)14:27
ScottKLure: Perhaps in an hour or two.14:28
ScottKIf Riddell doesn't get to it first.14:28
LureScottK: it is in bug 322278 (otherwise in BZR)14:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322278 in kdeedu "libmarble4 needs to include plugins " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32227814:28
ScottKLure: Yes, I saw them discussing it in #debian-qt-kde.14:29
Riddellwell, that seems to work http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/s-c-p-k.png14:39
RiddellArby, JontheEchidna: what doesn't work about s-c-p-k in system settings?14:39
JontheEchidnaArby: trying to open the add new printer dialog crashes python, scpk and systemsettings14:40
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ^14:40
Riddellah, threads14:40
JontheEchidnasame deal with jockey-kcm, it dies whenever it tries to access info over dbus14:43
JontheEchidnathe crash has the same backtrace too14:43
devfilRiddell:   kdelibs5-dev: Depends: automoc (>= 1.0~svn834416) but it is not going to be installed14:53
devfil                Depends: libqt4-dev (>= 4.4.3) but it is not going to be installed14:53
devfil                Depends: libplasma-dev (= 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed14:53
devfil                Depends: libqt4-opengl-dev but it is not going to be installed14:53
devfil  kdemultimedia-dev: Depends: kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.0.73) but it is not going to be installed14:53
devfilon ia6414:53
devfil(and other)14:53
devfilalso on sparc, powerpc, lpia14:54
a|wenScottK: commented on the SRU's14:55
a|wenScottK: and the problem with kpackage is no more in kde4.2 - marked fix released14:56
ScottKdevfil: Look at the kernel version requirements for libdrm-dev and then the kernel for ia64.14:58
ScottKSomeone either needs to figure out how to make libdrm-dev live with the older kernels on those archs or update the kernels.14:59
Riddell_Sime: any thoughts on using threads within pykde kcontrol modules?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pykcm.py15:08
RiddellLure: I've uploaded kdeedu15:18
LureRiddell: thanks!15:18
RiddellLure: hmm, but it's missing the Replaces:15:18
LureRiddell: because of overwrites? it worked here...15:19
Lurebut I did upgrade all *marble* packages at once with dpkg -i...15:19
Riddellyeah, it needs the replaces for most upgrades15:20
RiddellI'll add that15:20
Tonio_devfil: thanks for the fix on audex. "i" left out is a very "vim" issue :)15:23
devfilTonio_: say thanks to gaspa15:23
Tonio_devfil: :)15:23
Tonio_devfil: did you try to retry the build ?15:24
devfilTonio_: nope15:25
Tonio_devfil: unfortunatelly I can't outside of the amd64 and i386 context...15:26
Tonio_locally I mean, on a diagnostic purpose15:26
Riddell_Sime: why is kcmodule_example/ in tools? shouldn't it be in examples?15:28
ScottKTonio_: Until the ports kernels are updated, there's really no point in worrying about them.15:29
Tonio_ScottK ok15:35
ScottKTonio_: See the discussion in #ubuntu-devel for details.15:36
a|wenif anybody has some spare time, I have 3 debdiff's that needs a review on bug 320915 - zapping, xsidplay, cmus15:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320915 in libsdl "Remove aRts from the archive - rebuild all dependencies" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32091515:37
ScottKRiddell: My xorg-server rebuild where I dropped the Redhat hack has gotten thumbs up from people using both Intel and Nvidia.  I've tried it with 4.1.3 and 4.1.4 (both Intel).  I'd like to push it to the regular Kubuntu PPA, so people upgrading to 4.2 get it too.  Thoughts?15:37
ScottKa|wen: You might also try #ubuntu-motu (explain the goal, etc) so that when you apply for MOTU more of them know who you are.15:38
* ScottK did see you active there earlier and applauds that.15:38
a|wenScottK: do you want to have that xorg-server tested agains an ati card?15:39
ScottKa|wen: Yes.  Please (in my ppa ~kitterman)15:39
RiddellScottK: so long as you monitor report and pull it if there's any problems15:40
jussi01anyone can tell me where the latest version of kpackagekit can be found for testing with?15:41
a|wenScottK: what should i look out for?15:42
jussi01Lure: did you break digikam?15:43
jussi01it just crashed on start for me...15:43
Lurejussi01: install marble15:43
Lurejussi01: it is packaging issue15:44
jussi01Lure: again?15:44
Lurejussi01: yes, different one15:44
* jussi01 thought we debugged and fixed this last time..15:44
Lurejussi01: plugins needs to be shipped with libmarble4 instead of marble15:44
jussi01Lure: sudo apt-get install marble ?15:44
Lurejussi01: yes15:45
ScottKa|wen: It should be more responsive and not have the momentary video garbage when opening new windows.  Any performance regressions would be of interest.15:46
jussi01Lure: ok, fixed. thanks15:46
Lurejussi01: great15:46
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I'll wait for a|wen's test on ati.15:46
RiddellArby: tsk, you use tabs!16:01
Tm_TRiddell: what's wrong with tabs?16:08
Riddellthey are inferior to spaces16:10
Riddellthey never match up16:10
RiddellQt designer has changed back to a single window UI in 4.516:11
stdinI noticed that too16:16
rgreeningRiddell: I think I found a packaging problem with my 4.5 build of qt.16:16
rgreeningRiddell: I have to check, but I think I mayhave some incorrect replaces/conflicts in there.16:16
rgreeningRiddell: I'll review again and update. It may resolve some of our issues.16:17
RiddellArby: do you know why the Apply button doesn't appear on the server settings page?16:17
Tm_TRiddell: that's why everyone should use tabs (;)16:20
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a|wenanybody want to party like it was 1999! :P ... http://mschlander.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/is-kde-42-too-shiny/16:35
Tm_Ttoo shiny?16:36
Tm_Ta|wen: is this post rant?16:36
a|wenTm_T: i'm pretty sure it is made out of pure humoristic sense :)16:36
jussi01a|wen: hahahah16:37
a|wenyou wouldn't think it was possible :)16:38
Tm_Ta|wen: ah, anyway, complaining about shinyness of KDE is like whining about your own choices, it's all configurable anyway16:38
a|wenit is16:39
a|wenTm_T: he is an opensuse devel so it is not a personal rant (i hope :P )16:39
Tm_Ta|wen: aye, I asked before I looked it16:40
rgreeningkdelibs5-dbg: Depends: kdelibs5 (= 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.2.0c-0ubuntu1~ppa1 is to be installed16:40
* Tm_T is in middle of broken xine packages16:40
rgreeninglooks like a small issue in the package16:40
* a|wen is looking for old (+15 years) music files16:41
Tm_Ta|wen: what format you like them to be?16:41
a|wenTm_T: any one of the 81 formats xmp understands16:41
Tm_Ta|wen: and file itself must be that old or the contents of file?16:42
a|wenTm_T: just the file format is important ... for testing xmp16:42
Tm_Taye, mp2 then...16:43
Tm_Tbah, on the other pc16:43
smarter[14:04:15] <smarter> Tonio_: I just saw that you updated kepas package, nice! But could you please update it in the bzr branch too? :P16:43
a|wenTm_T: mp2 is too new (not supported)16:43
ArbyRiddell: no I don't know why the apply button doesn't appear off the top of my head16:43
Tm_Ta|wen: hmm, interesting16:43
Arbyand tabs Vs spaces. meh16:43
ArbyI used whatever kate was set up to at the time :)16:44
a|wenTm_T: NP2 is the closest i think ;)16:44
a|wenoh... got a page i think (after looong time of google searching)16:44
smarteralso, can anyone tell me what was discussed at yesterday's meeting?16:48
a|wenyay, xmp plays the file :)16:48
apacheloggerScottK: it's certainly in our power to not use rosetta language packs until they are fixed16:48
apacheloggerScottK: it's not like our apps get translated anyway :S16:49
apacheloggerI have the impression rosetta is just there to break KDE's translations16:49
ScottKI notice that with this latest release, rosetta has gained an ability to export changes.16:49
apacheloggerI don't see any single piece of translated kubuntu stuff16:49
a|wenapachelogger: do we still have translational problems?16:49
apacheloggera|wen: gotta get updated packages first16:49
apacheloggerif I am not mistaken the current ones are from october16:50
lex79apachelogger: will be there qt 4.4.5 in final release?16:50
apacheloggerlex79: if they release it soonish16:50
apacheloggerwhich doesn't look likely16:50
apacheloggerhold on!16:50
* apachelogger is on vacation :P16:50
apachelogger=> -offtopic16:50
Riddellapachelogger: it has been release, just not publicly16:50
lex79apachelogger: you are in vacation ever :P16:51
a|wenit sounds like we should definitely keep an eye on the translations16:51
rgreeninglex79: if oyu want ot help debug problems and test, there is a qt4.5.0 packge in my PPA16:51
apacheloggerRiddell: oh, neato16:51
ScottKapachelogger: I saw mention of a new language pack export for Intrepid this week or next.16:52
* apachelogger is on jaunty!16:52
apacheloggerand still got oct packages16:52
lex79rgreening: thanks16:52
rgreeninglex79: http://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening16:53
Nightroseapachelogger: about to reinstall the eeepc - does your judgement from a few days ago still hold?16:53
apacheloggerNightrose: improved thogh16:54
apacheloggerat least on intel16:54
Nightroseimproved to usable or not? ;-)16:54
a|wenxmp without arts-support build and tested ... and debdiff uploaded16:55
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, I was thinking about splitting the meeting into council meetings and dev meetings ... latter being for general development discussion (like that arts removal stuff) and maybe done on regular basis (2 week cycle?) ... former for large impact stuff like should we replace amarok with banshee on the CD16:55
smarterapachelogger: what came up at last meeting?16:56
* smarter passed out before it started :p16:56
apacheloggerRiddell: could greatly decrease overall meeting time and doesn't force people who are barely interested with the awfulness of development to listen to us playing buzzword bingo ;-)16:57
Nightroseoh screw it i am going to install jaunty - i can always install intrepid later if it doesn't work out16:57
apacheloggerNightrose: that's the spirit16:57
apacheloggerNightrose: but remember16:57
apacheloggerinstall in german16:57
Nightrose:( nononono16:57
Nightroseit's horrible16:57
apacheloggertell me about it16:57
Nightrosei want an english system16:57
rgreeningNightrose: nein16:57
* apachelogger is using it for almost a month now16:57
* Nightrose feels your pain16:58
* smarter feels a bit ignored...16:58
rgreeningI have a mind to install in portuguese16:58
ScottKRiddell: I saw that Rosetta has grown the ability to export translation changes to send back upstream, but they will be BSD license.  In the unlikely event that this produces something useful for KDE, will the license be a problem?16:58
* Nightrose hugs smarter16:58
rgreeningo/ smarter :P16:59
* ScottK pat, pats smarter on the head.16:59
smarternow that I got your attention, could someone resume me what happend at latest meeting?16:59
* smarter hugs back Nightrose :)17:00
Nightrosedoes someone have a link to jaunty images handy?17:00
* Nightrose searches17:00
RiddellScottK: no that's fine, it's compatible with KDE's licence17:00
Xand3rhey ho,i sistalled kde4.2 and wihle it istalled it dstroyed the old and the new kde, now i am back with kde4.1.4, but now not everything works17:00
Xand3ramarok cant play musik17:01
Xand3rdragonplayer dont plays videos17:01
smarterXand3r: check phonon config (systemsettings->sound/multimedia/phonon/something like that17:01
Xand3rglobal shurtcuts dont work17:01
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I thought everything in KDE has to have a GPL license.  Does it just get relicensed then?17:01
RiddellNightrose: cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu17:02
rgreeningsmarter: I was late and missed .. so apachelogger can prob update (or tell you to review the irclogs for ubuntu-meeting)17:02
Nightrosethx Riddell17:02
JontheEchidnasmarter: stickers, kpackagekit, and elves17:02
JontheEchidnawell, no elves17:02
* JontheEchidna was in and out of the meeting17:02
RiddellScottK: no BSD is fine in KDE, see 3 and 5 http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy17:02
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.17:03
Xand3rsmarter: ha, here are no soundcards listed17:03
a|wensmarter: look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings17:03
apacheloggerrgreening: I am on vacation and ain't updating no one17:03
a|wensmarter: kpackagekit, go! quassel, go! knights+nateon, dead! s-c-p-k, jr helps out! digikam/kipi, we'll try to get room! kget/ktorrent, kget should not be a replacement for ktorrent! tabs, yay! stickers, yay!17:03
a|wensmarter: that was the very compressed version :)17:04
* JontheEchidna golf claps17:04
* ScottK would really like to have a Jaunty+1 feature goal "No half baked crack that we're including because we know it will eventually be good."17:04
rgreeningcan someone kik apachelogger from channel to ensure he does no work as he's on vacation :P haha17:04
ScottKvorian could.17:04
DaSkreechHallo all17:04
ScottKHello DaSkreech.17:04
* DaSkreech hands rickspencer3 a mug of something hot and spiced17:04
* DaSkreech gets apachelogger sweet biscuits17:05
* ScottK gives DaSkreech a whack on the head for to much sucking up to management.17:05
apacheloggerapachelogger(tm) sweet biscuits!17:05
smartera|wen: that doesn't tell me what was decided :p17:05
rgreeningsmarter: yay = approved17:05
DaSkreechScottK:  I'm not sucking up :) I'm glad he's here17:05
apacheloggersmarter: I shall become king of kubuntu island17:05
apacheloggersmarter: that is about everything I can remember17:06
smartera|wen: thanks :) what was that sticker thing exactly?17:06
a|wensmarter: go = approved (but needs improvement)17:06
a|wensmarter: and no decision on kget really17:07
Nightroseapachelogger: ok forget the nice jaunty idea - the repository i need for kernel and stuff for the eeepc doesn't offer jaunty yet17:07
* smarter is not particularly fan of kget17:07
Nightroseintrepid it is17:07
smarterbut /me is a fan of ktorrent :P17:08
apacheloggerNightrose: why would you need a special kernel?17:08
apacheloggersmarter: the main idea is to have a download manager in general17:08
DaSkreechTonio_: You need to show me how to get kget to work17:08
Nightroseapachelogger: to get wireless working and so on http://www.array.org/ubuntu/index.html17:08
apacheloggerNightrose: I would find it weird if stock jaunty doesn't work without 3rd party packages :P17:09
a|wensmarter: kget will not replace ktorrent there was some sorf of consensus about17:09
Nightroseapachelogger: hmm well hardy and intrepid don't17:09
apacheloggerhardy = old17:10
apacheloggerintrepid = not so old, but old17:10
smarterNightrose: ath5k works nicely on my EEE17:11
smarteron 8.1017:11
smarternot sure if it's related with the custom kernel but I don't think so17:11
smarterand jaunty probably has a recent enough version of ath5k17:11
Nightroseok I'll give it a try then17:11
smarterapachelogger: same for 4.1, 4.2? :P17:12
ScottKath5k was paricularly broken on Intrepid.17:12
ScottKIt's better with the kernel backports modules package (don't recall the exact name).17:13
* smarter should try compat-wireless to see if it works better for him17:13
apacheloggerkubotu: join #kubuntu-offtopic17:14
apacheloggerNightrose: uno?17:23
rgreeningRiddell: I think there is a threading issue with Qt4.5 and KDE4.2.. still debuggin though...17:23
apacheloggerrgreening: I thought they squased all core KDE issues17:24
Nightroseapachelogger: no time sorry :(17:24
rgreeningapachelogger: well, I get segfaults running kreadconfig with kde4.2 and qt4.517:24
apacheloggerNightrose: :(17:24
apacheloggerrgreening: maybe you need to rebuild17:25
rgreeningapachelogger: same with kstartupnotify4 (though it runs on second attempt)17:25
Riddellrgreening: I wouldn't spend too much time on that, best to wait until Qt 4.5 final is out17:25
rgreeningapachelogger: I was thinking rebuilding kde4.2 may help17:25
rgreeningapachelogger: is that what you meant?17:25
rgreeningRiddell: I'm not sure it's a qt issue. It could be kde needs a rebuild as apachelogger indicates.17:26
Riddellit's not a linking issue17:26
apacheloggerwho is up for a round of uno now that jussi01 got lost?17:26
rgreeninguno is awesome17:26
smarterRiddell: so I've to send you a mail to get stickers? :) (quickly looking at the log atm)17:26
smarterrgreening: tries with a recent qt snapshot maybe?17:27
smarterbeta is quiet old I think17:27
rgreeningsmarter: I gues I could get a svn copy and work from it...17:27
smarterexcept they don't use svn :P17:28
smartertheir is daily snapshot on the website17:28
smarterand soon we'll have a nice git repo (:17:28
rgreeningsmarter: oh.. I'll have to look again. never saw it17:28
Riddellsmarter: yes17:29
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smarterRiddell: you know how much stickers we'll get?17:31
Riddellsmarter: a sheet I expect17:31
jussi01 Riddell I want stickers"17:32
rgreeningsmarter: the snapshot dir is empty17:32
smarteryou're on the ftp?17:32
smarterI don't think this is the main mirror17:33
rgreeningya just found the main site17:33
rgreeningsmarter: hmm... beta 111 meg snapshot is 57Meg17:36
Riddelljussi01: then e-mail me your postal address with STICKERS in the title17:36
jussi01Riddell: ahh, ok. which address?17:37
jussi01ie. which email? any?17:37
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smarterjussi01: jriddell AT ubuntu DOT com17:39
jussi01smarter: thanks17:40
jussi01Riddell: sent :D17:41
ScottKrickspencer3: I hope the current discussion about providing an option in Gnome to make ctrl-alt-backspace work properly doesn't spill over into KDE.  For KDE and it's perspective on options, I think exposing it to the user is clearly the right choice.17:50
rickspencer3ScottK: Does Kubuntu have the same design ethic of minimizing user options to what is absolutely necessary, and also minimizing exposure to underlying infrastructure?17:51
ScottKrickspencer3: No.17:51
ScottKKDE is all about giving users choice to make the system work best for them.17:51
seelerickspencer3: out design ethic is functional design, not universal usability17:53
seelerickspencer3: we maximize for our identified target audiences and then try to make it accessible for those outside our target17:53
ScottKAs an added bonus, this was all discussed in depth at UDS and decided ...17:55
DaSkreechScottK: But is Kubuntu KDE? :-D17:55
seeleKubuntu is a KDE distribution. We are not Ubuntu with KDE17:56
DaSkreechrickspencer3: That one question is almost the fundamental difference between users of Gnome and users of KDE17:56
DaSkreechI know I'm just teasing :) rickspencer3 asked about Kubuntu and ScottK responded with KDE :)17:57
ScottK+1 Nightrose.17:57
DaSkreechWhy doesn't alt+ctrl+backspace work properly ?17:58
rickspencer3So if you guys think it is a worthwhile option for Kubuntu users, then I think you should consider including it17:58
rgreeningDaSkreech: it does. it was disabled upstream17:58
rickspencer3I however, feel that it is not useful to expose in a GUI17:58
seelewas this a discussion on a mailing list?17:59
rgreeningDaSkreech: install DonZap package to change the default option (or manually edit xorg.conf)17:59
DaSkreechBy upstream I guess you mean upstream Gnome and not upstream X ?17:59
seeleDaSkreech: X changed the default17:59
* DaSkreech hates X anyway17:59
seelein their conf, correct?17:59
rickspencer3At UDS the deciscion was taken to try to create a simple grid-like editor for xorg.conf. Unfortunately, it does not appear that the editor will be done in time for Jaunty. Perhaps in Jaunty universe though. The checkbox was a patch proposed to make up for this.18:00
seelerickspencer3: didn't alberto commit a patch for the kde config dialog?18:00
ScottKseele: Yes.18:00
rickspencer3DaSkreech: yes, this was disabled in upstream X, and yet there is an xorg.conf option to turn it back on18:01
rgreeningthe package from alberto works great18:01
ScottKrickspencer3: My recollection was we got promised a GUI way to reenable it.  The xorg.conf editor is way beyond that.18:01
DaSkreechHow do they propose to do an emergency restart of X ?18:01
rgreeningthe package DontZap with the patch to the displayconfig in system settings is fine18:01
rickspencer3seele: yes, he did one for Kubuntu and one for Ubuntu. However, their is some disagreement if this is appropriate for a GUI option in Ubuntu18:02
rgreening+1 from me for the Kubuntu solution and where it is currently implemented18:02
seelerickspencer3: right, so what does that have to do with *K*ubuntu18:02
DaSkreechAnyone have a link to the X discussion/announcement about this?18:02
ScottKseele: It doesn't and that was my point.18:02
Riddellnobody has actually suggested anything different about Kubuntu as far as I see18:03
RiddellScottK was just pre-empting it18:03
ScottKyes, exactly.18:03
ScottKDo what you want with Gnome, I think given it's general approach the discussion has some merits.18:04
ScottKFor KDE, I think we clearly want the option.18:04
* seele just had an hour and half of stats, brain is only now reforming into a solid state18:04
rickspencer3Riddell: yes, no one has mentioned Kubuntu in the discussion so far18:06
Bernardoanyone else having problems with digikam (from the experimental ppa) and kde 4.2?18:07
ScottKrickspencer3: Just wanted to make sure you had the sense from here if it goes that way.18:07
DaSkreechOK it's something they have had for a while they just flipped it to on by default18:08
DaSkreechI really don't understand what X.org is trying to accomplish18:08
DaSkreechwell I do I just don't get how they are doing it18:08
NightroseDaSkreech: prevent people from unwillingly killing their X?18:08
Nightrosehappened to me in early linux days18:08
Nightrosevery uncool18:08
Nightrosebut i am generally for an option for kubuntu18:09
Bernardolet me guess, you're talking about the dontzap change?18:09
BernardoI'd rather have ctrl-alt-backspace enabled by default18:09
DaSkreechNightrose: yeah but they are going for configles X and bulletproof X and oing all of these changes in themain trunk while X gets flakier than ever18:10
NightroseDaSkreech: i am not for enableing it or disabeling it by default - don't care really as long as there is an option18:10
Nightrosei want it enabled for me now18:11
Nightrosebut i know newbies might not like it18:11
DaSkreechhonestly I'd prefer a kill switch like Ctrl+M18:12
DaSkreechThe first time that you do it it interrupts the action and pops up a dialog telling you that you did this what it will do would you like to continue18:12
ScottKBernardo: A lot of people argued for it to be default.  We lost at UDS, so at least it will be easy to turn on.18:13
* Bernardo has a one year old that already walks. A way to disable shutdown when the power button is pressed would be much more important than disabling ctrl-alt-backspace18:13
DaSkreechThat way it informs, it doesn't stop the "normal" flow and expectatons and once it's done you can choose never to see it again18:13
BernardoScottK: in the ubuntu forums, the vote is very much in favor of keeping it enabled. I even joked it could be disabled for ubuntu and enabled for kubuntu...18:14
ScottKDaSkreech: That was also discussed.  I think the conlusion was it added more complexity than the benefit was worth (technical complexit)18:14
ScottKBernardo: I very much agree, it's just already been decided and we don't have the resources to re-decide everything multiple times.18:15
DaSkreechScottK: Well X is on a push to have all configs and so on be graphical (bad idea) so maybe they could be asked to look at it?18:16
ScottKDisabling it was a concious decision on their part.18:16
BernardoI do hope they never disable xorg.conf overriding whatever auto detection is made18:18
Bernardoit is the only way I can get X to display by hdmi on my tv instead of trying to use the vga output that is not connected18:18
DaSkreechBernardo: I think the mindest is that X should be able to start without a xorg.conf existing at all but whenever one exists then it will respect it18:21
DaSkreechI still think it's a bad idea to have the main configuration to get X working within a working X but maybe they will make it bulletproof one day18:22
Bernardolets hope so. One of the reasons I prefer KDE over the nameless other is configurability. :)18:23
DaSkreechBernardo: OSX ?18:30
a|wenScottK: your xserver-xorg doesn't seem to break ati in general18:30
ScottKa|wen: Thanks.  Notice any difference?18:31
* a|wen just found out that he can't even enable plasma18:31
smarterScottK: what's your xorg for?18:31
ScottKsmarter: Drop the Fedora optimization for compiz that causes all the momentary video garbage.18:32
a|wenhad to move my installation to an old laptop just before leaving home18:32
smarterScottK: ah that'd be cool18:32
smarterpeople yell at Kubuntu saying we break KDE and stuff18:32
smarterwhen most of the time it's crappy X patches :P18:33
ScottKsmarter: It's in my PPA (~kitterman) if you want to try it.18:33
smarterScottK: will probably do, not much free time right now(exams exams exams exams...)18:33
ScottKWho is around that actually understands the myriad of PPAs we have and what they are for....18:33
ScottKI'm trying to determine which one(s) to push the xorg fix to.18:34
RiddellScottK: kubuntu-experimental for KDE 4.218:35
* smarter has been asking for a wiki page explaining what they're supposed to do for a long time :P18:36
smarterScottK: I guess kubuntu-experimental would be a good choice, unfortunately we advertised it as the repo to use for 4.2, so maybe we need a kubuntu-experimental-experimental18:36
a|wenScottK: kubuntu-experimental should be okay, as long at it is reasonably safe18:37
smarterRiddell: but then people who just want 4.2 will have it, and it may provoke breakages18:37
a|wensmarter: isn't kubuntu-members there for "misc tested/untested stuff"18:37
ScottKI think it's reasonably safe.  All I did was drop one patch.18:37
ScottKAnd it's one that upstream X won't merge.18:38
a|wenand it has been tested by a few ppl now also18:38
ScottKWith Intel, Nvidia, and ATI.18:38
smartera|wen: I honestly have no idea :P18:39
smarterI thought we didn't use it anymore, since people complained they received too much mail because of it18:39
smarteranyway, I don't understand why the LP people decided to change the PPAs urls, it's impossible that everybody will update his sources.list18:40
a|wensmarter: oh ... you are probably right18:40
* apachelogger votes for switching to OBS18:40
smarternever tested it18:41
* ScottK reminds apachelogger he is on vacation.18:43
apacheloggerScottK: opensuse build service18:43
ScottKNo.  Please not that.18:43
apacheloggerit doesn't eat uploads18:44
apacheloggerit is open source18:44
apacheloggerit doesn't change repo urls18:44
apacheloggerand until a few weeks ago it had as signed packages as launchpad did18:44
apacheloggerwe learn: obs is the better choice at any rate18:44
smarterhow is the waiting time before build?18:44
apachelogger+ you can build the stuff locally and upload the bins IIRC18:45
ScottKOne package I'm upstream for I had to ask the guy that was putting it on OBS to exclude the Debian/Ubuntu builds because the .debs it was spitting out were complete crap.18:45
apacheloggersmarter: practically none18:45
apachelogger+ there servers appear to be faster18:45
apachelogger+ _live_ build log view18:45
apachelogger+ the gui is wirtten using rails18:45
smarterLP has live build logs18:45
smarterbut only the last five lines or something18:45
apacheloggerlp has one-per-minute-5-line-snapshot logs18:46
apacheloggerat OBS you get the complete log up to to right now18:46
apachelogger+ you can turn autorefresh on18:46
apachelogger+ you can turn autoscroll on18:46
* smarter accords two w00t points to obs18:47
smarteror: obs++ obs++18:47
rgreeningsmarter: sed -i 's/\/ubuntu /\/ppa\/ubuntu /g' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* /etc/apt/sources.list18:52
rgreeningactually, don't for sources.list (that would break)18:53
rgreeningI love sed18:54
apacheloggerrgreening: care to join us for uno?18:54
rgreeningapachelogger: sure, why not. where 2?18:56
rgreeningwhat app?18:56
apacheloggerrgreening: -offtopic18:56
ScottKUploaded the revised xorg-server to kubuntu-experimental19:01
a|wenScottK: cool19:01
* vorian could what ScottK?19:03
ScottKKick apachelogger so he takes his vacation.19:04
voriantrue enough19:04
voriani still have no power, it could be a few more days19:05
ScottKKids are finally back at school here.19:06
ScottKTwo hour delay, but at least I have a partial day of blissful solititude.19:06
apacheloggerI am playing ze uno19:08
apacheloggermore vacation is not possible :P19:08
Riddelldo we have libmsn in a PPA for intrepid?19:44
JontheEchidnaRiddell: yes, experimental19:44
Riddellok, new libmsn is in jaunty19:45
Riddellwe should probably update experimental with it too19:45
_SimeRiddell: hi19:46
Riddellhi _Sime19:47
Riddell_Sime: so, threads in pykde kcontrol modules, are we stuck?19:48
_Simeis that that dbus problem again?19:48
Riddell_Sime: no, although I'm told there's a separate issue with dbus which I havn't looked at19:48
_Simewhy do you need threads?19:49
Riddellthat's how the system-config-printer application works19:50
Riddellit could probably be re-written not to, but would be easier not to have to19:51
_Simethreads in a config program?!19:52
Riddellrun while it goes off making up its database of printer drivers, which takes some time19:52
Riddellor searching for smb printers19:52
Riddellstuff like that19:52
_SimeI don't know what system-settings thinks about that. But if it works then good for you.19:54
_SimeI don't have much experience there.19:54
_Simeyou could also have a look at the multiprocessing module in Python 2.619:54
_Simeit uses processes.19:54
_Simeit might be safer.19:54
Riddellwell presumably system-settings doesn't think to highly of it, since it crashes :)19:55
apacheloggerNightrose: jussi01 cheated when he was dealer20:08
Nightrosejussi01: !!!20:08
jussi01Nightrose: I did not...20:08
* Nightrose blinks20:09
jussi01JontheEchidna: kept stealing good cards20:09
NightroseJontheEchidna: !!!20:09
* JontheEchidna runs20:09
JontheEchidnakubotu: chat20:09
kubotuthe build turns out to the ninja packaging guys will do :)20:09
jussi01kubotu: chat20:09
kubotuI think for now.20:09
JontheEchidnakubotu: chat20:10
kubotuit was supposed to provide iPod support with Kopete and pokes at shlibs deps20:10
JontheEchidnakubotu: chat20:21
JontheEchidnaIsn't Arby a Kubuntu member?20:22
JontheEchidnahe needs an IRC mask20:22
* apachelogger still has an amarok one :D20:22
rgreeningwhy does one need a cloak/mask?20:25
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ^20:26
JontheEchidnafor the lulz20:26
rgreeningok, so no real imp reason20:27
JontheEchidnaSo plasmoid-network-manager got uploaded to ubuntu right?20:27
JontheEchidnaso I can archive what's in revu?20:27
rgreeningTonio_ was working on that... so he'd be best to ask I guess20:28
JontheEchidnawell, it is in the archive, I just checked20:28
rgreeningso we should be good then (I guess)20:28
lex79rgreening: kdm wont load with qt 4.5 :(20:29
DaSkreechkubotu: excuse20:30
kubotuZombie processes detected, machine is haunted.20:30
DaSkreechThere you go that's why20:31
rgreeninglex79: tell me what happens exactly.20:31
* a|wen notes that you really find all sorts of funny missing dependencies when running X apps in a chroot20:33
rgreeninglex79: I had an issue with come applet causing plasma to crash (so I removed ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*) and then kstartupnotify4 would crash, but only on first attempt to login.20:33
lex79rgreening: When kubuntu start , I don't see kdm, I see a blank screen, system switch me in tty1 and I must start kde with "startx" in tty120:33
rgreeninglex79: thats a new one. try changing to the vesa video driver in xorg.conf temporarily.20:34
rgreeningand lex79, can you see if kdm or Xorg.0.log show anything that could lead to what causes the issue.20:35
rgreeninglex79: I20:35
lex79hmm...but with startx kde start correctly20:35
lex79with nvidia drivers20:35
rgreeninglex79: not sure, could be it starts with different options...20:35
rgreeninglex79: I am uploading a new snapshot later (probably an hour or so, once I verify it compiles). So, you can try that one.20:36
lex79ok, I try later20:37
JontheEchidnalex79: btw, I uploaded your other plasmoid this morning, and archived the windowlist plasmoid you accidentally uploaded :)20:37
rgreeningk. I'll msg here when uploaded...20:38
rgreeningl8r. going home...20:38
lex79JontheEchidna: thanks :)20:38
JontheEchidnayou're welcome20:38
lex79I didn't see windowslist in LP :P20:39
DaSkreechrickspencer3: You have a twitter or identica account ?20:39
rickspencer3DaSkreech: nope20:39
* earle waves to DaSkreech 20:39
earle<-- identi.ca/hex :)20:39
DaSkreechhi earle20:39
DaSkreechha ha :-D20:39
DaSkreechTwo guesses as to my identica :)20:40
earleI'm hex just about everywhere except freenode20:40
earlegrumble grumble20:40
seelerickspencer3: might be a few minutes late getting home, i'm only leaving now20:45
seelerickspencer3: i'll ping you20:45
DaSkreechearle: :-)20:45
ScottKlex79: New packages need archive admin review before they show up on LP.20:47
* a|wen will go to bed20:48
* ScottK will too, but probably not for about 8 hours20:48
a|wenneeds a break from the arts removal stuff now ;)20:49
lex79ScottK now I know :)20:49
a|wenit is progressing: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RemoveArts20:50
a|wennight ppl20:51
DaSkreechearle: good bug btw :-) Got nice results20:52
JontheEchidnaSo what are we doing about basket?20:53
earleDaSkreech: :)20:55
DaSkreechJontheEchidna: 3basket-devel ?20:56
DaSkreechJontheEchidna: #basket-devel ?20:56
seeleargh. not leaving yet20:56
rickspencer3seele: no problems21:02
rickspencer3good luck with the Baltimore -> DC traffic21:02
astrommeScottK: Looks like they (amarok/akonadi) are co-installable now. I'm still getting the symbol lookup errors, but at least I have my amarok back =)21:15
ScottKGreat.  that was the intent.21:15
DaSkreechNightrose: Amarok 2.1 is ready when it is?21:16
Nightroseas always ;-)21:17
JontheEchidna"It was found that chaining an irate, rabid badger to the mouse and keyboard was not properly handled by the operating system, and resulted in local denial of service. This bug applies to all versions of all operating systems tested."21:20
DaSkreechthey still haven't patched that IRB in the middle vunerabilty ?21:23
Nightrosehmm just installed the latest daily jaunty21:23
Nightroseplasma crashes immediately21:23
JontheEchidnawhat architecture?21:23
Nightrose32 bit21:24
Nightrosefresh install btw21:25
jussi01distractions on in ##uno :D21:25
Nightrosei have 120 updates already21:25
NightroseI'll install them and see21:26
astrommeNightrose: Do we still have the "all plasma applets not rebuilt" issue of a week ago?21:31
Nightroseidunno :)21:31
astromme /s/Do/Might/21:31
Nightrosemight be21:31
Nightrosecurrently installing updates21:32
Nightroselet's see21:32
astrommeI had to manually remove the quickaccess plasmoid upon installing 4.2 RC to prevent crashes21:32
ScottKWhy are you installing the RC and not 4.2.0?21:32
ScottKBlogged on the Fedora/Compiz X nightmare: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/bug_254468_momentary_video_gar.html21:32
astrommeA week ago, not now21:32
astrommeThere was no 4.2.0 then =P. Well at least no packages21:33
astrommeASSERT failure in fillAgentInstance: "Requests non-existing agent type", file /build/buildd/kdepimlibs-4.2.0/akonadi/agentmanager.cpp, line 23621:33
astrommeWonderful, now I get the above when starting kmail.... different than the lookup error, but still a crash... gah21:33
* ScottK is off for awhile....21:36
astrommeIs Kontact/kdepim/kmail scheduled for a 4.2.0 rebuild? I'm still at 4.1.9621:41
astrommeAnd I'm guessing that's why I'm having the crash21:41
DaSkreechjaunty ?21:48
astrommeDaSkreech: Yes, jaunty21:50
astrommeDaSkreech: just finished with an aptitude full-upgrade as well, so I should have the newest packages21:51
Nightroseok update seems to fix plasma crash \o/22:04
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NightroseJontheEchidna: the folder view is too big on the small eeepc22:04
Nightroseit pushes the notes widget out of the desktop22:05
JontheEchidnanotes needs to go bye-bye for jaunty22:09
* DaSkreech likes notes22:14
DaSkreechI just found out I can drag text to the desktop and they auto become notes22:14
DaSkreechThat's quite handy22:14
ryanakcajjesse: ping? Will you be available tomorrow to work on help.kubuntu.org?22:19
ScottKapachelogger: Is that blog post like you wanted when you said I should blog about the xserver Fedora/Compiz thing?22:23
seelerickspencer3: pong.. i made it home in decent time22:34
ScottKseele: It seems you never can tell what blog posts get lots of comments.  So far my last got one and I expect to get dumped on by the Compiz fanboys.22:36
seeleScottK: yeah really. the internet is a strange place :)22:37
ScottKseele: OTOH, reading Mackenzie Morgan's latest blog post it sounds  like she wants to be a KDE user.22:38
seeleScottK: i think she might be at the party on friday, you'll have to convert her22:39
DexterFScottK: didn't know kub had a seperate devel chan. last time I checked didn't, but that's some time ago22:42
ScottKAre you on Jaunty or Intrepid?22:42
DexterFwell ok, anyway. packages is there, packages.ub... says should be in there but I don't see it22:42
DaSkreechScottK: Links for both blogs ?22:43
ScottKhttp://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2009/01/since-we-all-know-x-is-nowhere-near.html is Mackenzie's22:43
DexterFaha! your search was in jaunty. I was starting to think I was too dumb to search... in intrepid there's no such file at all22:43
ScottKMine is http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/bug_254468_momentary_video_gar.html22:43
ScottKDexterF: Do you have 4.1 or 4.2 installed?22:44
DexterFScottK: whatever comes woth 8.1022:44
ScottKThat's 4.122:44
DexterFyup, checked22:44
DaSkreechapparently releases really confuse people new to linux22:44
DaSkreechhaving to explain that you can't get 4.2 on hardy takes a little getting through to some people22:45
DaSkreechthen explaining that Ibex doesn't come with 4.2 is another thing22:45
JontheEchidnaThen people get mad at censorship of bad words when they learn that 4.2 isn't available for Hardy22:46
DexterFDaSkreech: been around linux for 10 years now but I expect to have stable releases to have a certain functionality the way they are, that includes changing the desktop elements colors. something even windows can do ;)22:46
DaSkreechIbex wasn't really considered a stable release :-)22:47
DexterFdo tell people then22:47
DaSkreechLTS +1 releases are normally more focused on trying out hairy stuff22:47
DexterFthat's what betas are for imo22:47
JontheEchidnaLTS != stable22:47
* ScottK needs to run off.22:47
DexterFScottK: been there?22:48
JontheEchidnaor rather, it just means security support for longer22:48
DaSkreechJontheEchidna: no but it focuses on being more stable in the design plans22:48
DaSkreechThe +1 design plans are usually something along the lines of "do what you want as long as the monkeys stay out of the Punch bowl"22:48
DexterFso ubuntu releases aren't meant to be stable at all or what.22:48
JontheEchidnawell, there's only so much control we have...22:48
JontheEchidnaIntrepid's fairly stable22:49
JontheEchidnaI never had more than a few crashes period after the final release22:49
DexterFso 9.04 is gonna be a "usable" one?22:49
DaSkreechDexterF: They are but a) there are things that maybe out of the control or canonical and b) sometimes you can err on the side of features or err on the side of stabilty22:49
jjesseryanakca: umm can it be next week?22:50
DaSkreechThe final releases are generally usable22:50
ScottKI use KDE 4.1 every day and it's generally fine.22:51
DexterFDaSkreech: it's open src... there shouldn't be much out of control here. see debian.22:51
DaSkreechDexterF: Debian errs very much on the side of stabilty22:51
DaSkreechand has quite a different release schedule22:51
ScottKDexterF: We had to pick between a somewhat underfeatured 4.1 and an ancient 3.5.  We picked 4.1.22:51
ScottKIf you want 3.5 --> Lenny is that way.22:52
DaSkreechYou can see Ubuntu as two cycles a 2 year LTS cycle and a 6 month feature race cycle22:52
DexterFScottK: well, it's only a testing VM becuase I suspect the goons I support in private to move to kde4 sooner or later and I have to catch up. I seriously consider going to lenny, that "ancient" 3.5 does quite a job here22:52
ScottKWell I have a 3.5 desktop too, so I understand.22:53
DexterFdon't know about how hairy it is beneath the hood but to call 4.1 "underfeatured" is an understatement22:53
DaSkreechDexterF: No harm no foul :) but KDE 4.3 should be pretty compelling22:53
DexterFI consider it beta22:53
ScottKOTOH, 4.2 is pretty good I hear and we have unofficial packages for that.22:53
DaSkreechKDE 4.2 is sating22:53
ScottKDexterF: We could have leaned forward or back.  We chose forward.  Neither would have been an entirely happy situation.22:54
DexterFScottK: you could have gone for both: a kde3 and a kde4 edition22:55
DexterFtwice the effort, given22:55
DaSkreechNo resources for that22:55
ScottKDexterF: Nope.  Not enough people.22:55
ScottKBoth would have ended up totally half assed.22:55
DaSkreechIf someone wants to come and do KDE3 then that would be the situation22:55
ScottKWe've had more than one person show up and say "I'll do KDE on Intrepid, it's not a big deal", but none have actually produced production quality packages yet.22:56
* ScottK really needs to go now.22:56
DexterFgotta admit I never made packages in the scale of a desktop like kde22:57
DaSkreechAnd generally people blur the line between third first and 1.5 party packages22:57
DexterFI.. don't get that sentence.22:59
DaSkreechKDE provides a set of packages which are both frameworks and applications23:01
DaSkreechThose are first party23:01
DaSkreechThey have an SVN in which lives a fair number of applications which are not maintained or released by KDE Krew23:02
DaSkreechI call those 1.5 party not quite first but closer to a second party23:02
DaSkreechThen you have applications that just build on the 1st party frameworks which are done independently by anyone who wants to do that23:02
DaSkreechThose are third party23:02
DaSkreechFor almost all users they just see them all as KDE23:03
DaSkreechSo If you package all of KDE and you don't include say Krecipe or Kmymoney23:03
DaSkreechPeople get irate23:03
dtchenFWIW, the future really is 4.x, not 3.523:03
DaSkreechI don't think anyone other than SJVN is arguing that23:03
DexterFthe future. but how about the present.23:03
DaSkreechJust is KDE 4 ready for right now23:04
dtchenas a desktop distributor, you have to make the difficult choice of deciding if/when to break things23:04
DaSkreechRemember when they forked Gnome after 2.0 cause it was so bad people who were using Gnome 1.4 couldn't live with it23:04
DexterFthat's how I came to kde...23:04
DaSkreechNo one wants Gnome 1.4 now but at the time It was pretty rough23:05
DaSkreechKDE3 has lived long enough to get people over the hump I think KDE 4.2 is quite nice23:05
DaSkreechKDE 4.3 is going to be very compelling23:05
DexterFgnome 1.4 is technically outdated by far, but the design was a lot clearer and gnome2 was ridden with horrible design bugs, both technically and usability wise23:05
DaSkreechWell they have Gnome 3 so we shall see what they do23:06
DaSkreechhowever KDE 4.0 and 4.1 were certainly usable but by few23:06
DaSkreechI think KDE 4.2 should be in general usable if you have some computer sense23:06
DexterFand now I've been happy with kde3 for years and try 4.1  - and stumble over BS like not being able to change the taskbar color so I can read it easily.23:07
DexterFok, so ill give 4.2 a shot23:07
DexterFpackages ready somewhere?23:07
DaSkreechtopic in #kubuntu23:07
DexterFok, I'll install and then come back bickering about that then ;)23:08
DaSkreechThemes are nice I'm using Silicon now but Serindad looks really colourful23:08
* DaSkreech switches for a day or so to see how he likes it23:08
DexterFwhile I'm here: anyone know if open vm tools work alright in 8.10? the vmware tools won't give me a Xserver, 7.4.2 is too new23:11
DaSkreechDexterF: ping me in #kubuntu if you have issues23:12
DexterFsure will23:13
ryanakcajjesse: sure, I'm back at school next week and my free time will shrink dramatically tough. Can you tell me if the content will follow the same structure as help.ubuntu.com? If so, I can adapt their theme... if not, I'll have to wait.23:20
jjesseryanakca: yes it should follow the same structure as help.ubuntu.com23:20
ryanakcajjesse: splendid23:20
ryanakcathanks :)23:20
jjesseryanakca:  no problem let me know if i can help, i'm more availabve via email23:25
ryanakcajjesse: *nod*23:25
ryanakcajjesse: I'm planning on finishing up the wiki theme in the morning, and then I'll be free to tackle help.k.o :)23:26
jjesseryanakca: cool, i'm excited for this to get done, we have to rely on nixternal for any build magic to get it over to you correctly23:28
DaSkreechThe hell? people want alt+ctrl+backspace gone and no way to turn it back on?23:39
DaSkreechJontheEchidna: Vote! Should google gadgets be installed by default?23:42
JontheEchidnaDaSkreech: can't!23:43
JontheEchidnait didn't passthe main inclusion process23:43
DaSkreechOh :-(23:43
JontheEchidnayeah :(23:46
DaSkreechWhat did it fail?23:47
DaSkreech did it study hard enough?23:47
rgreeningo/ JontheEchidna23:48
rgreening\o DaSkreech23:48
rgreeninget al :)23:48
DaSkreechI have a big head23:48
rgreeninglol. I noticed23:49
DaSkreechJontheEchidna: is it something that can't ever pass ?23:50
JontheEchidnanah, it could eventually I suppose23:50
DaSkreechcan it be put in -experimental ?23:51
RiddellHobbsee: could you bump up the priority of https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu2/+build/851876 (amd64) a bit?  It's been pending the whole day and it's blocking much of the rest of KDE23:54
HobbseeRiddell: sure23:54
rgreeningola Riddell.23:55
astrommeWould that start the builds to fix KMail and such in 4.2?23:55
Hobbseeoh, darn it launchpad...23:55
Hobbseeit now plans to start in 59 mins23:56
Riddellastromme: that's the next step23:57
astrommeRiddell: Wonderful. I feel hopeless without my KMail23:58

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