leleobhz | someone know why users-admin dont work even using sudo? | 00:25 |
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maco | leleobhz: because you cant use sudo with policy-kit apps | 00:26 |
RAOF | leleobhz: Because it uses policykit now; it should barf on sudo. | 00:26 |
maco | you have to just run "users-admin" and then click the unlock button | 00:26 |
leleobhz | this worked in first install | 00:27 |
maco | it worked back in 7.10 | 00:27 |
leleobhz | but after a dist-upgrade (from jaunty to jaunty) | 00:27 |
maco | not since then | 00:27 |
Sergeant_Pony | anyone know where I can find mf2t? I asked in #ubuntu and no help | 00:27 |
leleobhz | this button is hidden | 00:27 |
leleobhz | this is why im asking | 00:27 |
leleobhz | maco: what i can try to make this work again? | 00:27 |
maco | the unlock button still exists on users-admin in jaunty | 00:27 |
maco | do *not* run "sudo users-admin" or the button will be disabled | 00:28 |
leleobhz | dont work | 00:28 |
maco | bug 210897 | 00:28 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 210897 in consolekit "sudo *something which uses policykit?* doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210897 | 00:28 |
leleobhz | maco: ive runned only with my user, and dont worked | 00:28 |
RAOF | "Don't work" isn't a useful problem description. Does the "unlock" button appear? Is it sensitive? What happens if you press it? etc. | 00:29 |
leleobhz | so if i run one time users-admin with sudo, i permanentelly damage it? | 00:29 |
leleobhz | RAOF: [28/01-22:27:31] < leleobhz> this button is hidden | 00:29 |
leleobhz | still hidden if i run with my user | 00:29 |
maco | hidden as in not there at all or as in greyed out | 00:29 |
leleobhz | grayed out | 00:29 |
leleobhz | like i dont have permission to run it | 00:30 |
maco | try "sudo -k" then retry it | 00:30 |
maco | *without* sudo | 00:30 |
leleobhz | no effect | 00:30 |
maco | (sudo -k will kill the sudo session) | 00:30 |
hggdh | or close the terminal, and open it again | 00:30 |
* leleobhz running all commands from my user | 00:30 | |
maco | hggdh: ive had sudo credentials carry from one terminator to another | 00:31 |
leleobhz | maco: understood, but dont worked yet | 00:31 |
leleobhz | ill post a screenshot | 00:32 |
hggdh | maco, that's bad -- the credentials should be restricted to the pid | 00:32 |
hggdh | unless you opened a terminator from another running terminator | 00:32 |
hggdh | (or gnome-terminal, for that matter) | 00:32 |
maco | hggdh: no, if i use sudo in a terminator, then close it and open another right away, sometimes i dont need to enter my password when i sudo in the new one | 00:32 |
maco | dunno if it still happens with jaunty | 00:33 |
maco | but on hardy i could do it | 00:33 |
hggdh | eeek | 00:33 |
maco | yeah i can still do it | 00:33 |
hggdh | then it is a safer bet to sudo -k | 00:33 |
leleobhz | http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9452/usersadmingi9.png | 00:34 |
leleobhz | here is | 00:34 |
maco | open a terminator, sudo -i, enter pw, hit the X. open a new terminator, sudo -i, no need for pw | 00:34 |
maco | leleobhz: yeah that looks broken. can you reproduce it with a new user or after a reboot? | 00:35 |
leleobhz | maco: this happens here (the hardy issue) :p | 00:35 |
hggdh | perhaps group membership | 00:35 |
maco | hggdh: what? | 00:35 |
leleobhz | my user is the first ive created in ubuntu install | 00:35 |
leleobhz | and the users-admin worked before the dist-upgrade | 00:36 |
hggdh | perhaps he is not a member of the adm group | 00:37 |
leleobhz | uid=1000(leleobhz) gid=1000(leleobhz) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),116(admin),121(sambashare),1000(leleobhz),1002(setfon) | 00:37 |
leleobhz | i am | 00:37 |
maco | hggdh: should i be filing a bug on sudo for letting me do that in terminator? | 00:38 |
maco | hggdh: i assumed it was like the 15 minutes gksudo timeout | 00:38 |
Tekno | terminator ;P | 00:39 |
hggdh | maco I think you should. I am not sure what to open against, though | 00:39 |
maco | Tekno: terminator uses vte | 00:39 |
Tekno | right | 00:40 |
maco | oooo maybe it is terminator | 00:40 |
hggdh | terminator seems a good bet | 00:40 |
maco | because i cant do it with gnome-terminal | 00:40 |
hggdh | even better! | 00:40 |
maco | oh wiat yes i can | 00:40 |
maco | its vte | 00:40 |
leleobhz | some idea guys? | 00:40 |
maco | if i sudo -i in gnome-terminal, it doesnt carry over to terminator | 00:40 |
maco | it does carry over to later gnome-terminals though | 00:41 |
maco | ...i wonder if maybe they're assigned the same pid? | 00:41 |
hggdh | leleobhz, I am stumped right now | 00:41 |
hggdh | the hell is on my side of the fence it works fine | 00:42 |
maco | if i start one, do stuff, and exit it, then start another...since the first was exited, maybe the old pid is assigned to the new process? | 00:42 |
hggdh | could happen on an extremely busy system, otherwise the chances are pretty much nill | 00:43 |
maco | you mean extremely not-busy? | 00:43 |
hggdh | pids are monotonically increasing (until they wrap around) | 00:43 |
maco | oh | 00:43 |
maco | i thought maybe it was "lowest available" :-/ | 00:44 |
hggdh | heh. users-admin help page is sorta oldish | 00:45 |
hggdh | (c) 2004... | 00:45 |
maco | oy | 00:45 |
hggdh | oy vey | 00:45 |
hggdh | no, revised on 2006 | 00:45 |
hggdh | sigh. OK. Time for a LP search | 00:46 |
maco | 2006 is still a while | 00:46 |
leleobhz | well, i ll need restart | 00:46 |
leleobhz | its good because my VM goes down too | 00:47 |
hggdh | yes. leleobhz, does it happen after a restart? | 00:47 |
leleobhz | ill see after i restart my entire system | 00:47 |
leleobhz | ill back | 00:47 |
hggdh | k | 00:47 |
hggdh | maco, when you say it carries over to other gnome-terms, do you close the first gnome-term and open a new one, or you just fire another from the g-t menu? | 00:49 |
maco | close it and open a new one | 00:50 |
hggdh | eeek eeek eeek | 00:50 |
maco | launching from alt+f2 "gnome-terminal" | 00:50 |
hggdh | bug 313990 | 00:51 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 313990 in gnome-system-tools "[users-admin] adding new user sets groups to nogroup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313990 | 00:51 |
hggdh | I will try it | 00:52 |
maco | i dont have g-t in my menu anymore | 00:54 |
maco | i launch terminator with super+t since i mapped it in my compiz shortcuts | 00:54 |
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maco | hggdh: slangasek says it's not a bug. sudo auth is based on user+tty# and when i close the first terminal and open a new one, the same tty# is used | 00:58 |
maco | its not pid-based | 00:58 |
hggdh | ah, OK | 01:00 |
hggdh | makes sense -- the pty gets reused | 01:01 |
hggdh | maco, where can I control which actions give sound feedback? Like clicking on a button, etc | 01:04 |
maco | i dont know | 01:05 |
maco | im still trying to figure out how to test all the available alert sounds in the volume control thing | 01:05 |
hggdh | oh, so its volume-control... | 01:05 |
maco | if i click "ubuntu" it makes the bongo noise, which i suppose is as an example | 01:05 |
maco | no...i havent seen an option for it in there | 01:06 |
maco | i havent seen an option anywhere | 01:06 |
maco | i would ASSUME somwhere in some audio control app *if* it exists | 01:06 |
hggdh | ah thanks. I am going crazy here -- my sound finally started to work again, and I cannot control what sounds and what does not | 01:07 |
hggdh | I am almost going back to pulseaudio, so that I will have no sound again :-( | 01:07 |
hggdh | anyway. The volume control button on the volume icon does not fire off anything | 01:09 |
maco | is it intentional that only 1 slider is available now? | 01:12 |
maco | i need to go into alsamixer if i want to change more than one slider | 01:12 |
maco | otherwise i *guess* right-click -> preferences, set the volume icon to control slider A. set it. right-click -> preferences, set to control slider B. set B. again for sliders C, D, E, and F | 01:12 |
* hggdh has no clue, having been without sound for pretty much one year now. And neither "volume control" nor "preferences" work... | 01:13 | |
tuxxy__ | has anyone got their nvidia card working in Jaunty yet? | 01:16 |
tuxxy__ | with any driver heh | 01:16 |
maco | hggdh: they launch nothing? | 01:16 |
x1250 | tuxxy__, sure. Try using driver 180 and in xorg.conf: Section "ServerFlags" with Option "IgnoreABI" "True". | 01:17 |
tuxxy__ | ahhh thats the issue i had thankyou sir, I had the 180 installed but didnt edit the xorg | 01:18 |
maco | where can i get an old version of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics? | 01:20 |
maco | the current one is really freaking unusable | 01:20 |
x1250 | maco, from launchpad.net | 01:21 |
maco | where though? | 01:22 |
hggdh | maco, they launch nuthin | 01:23 |
maxb | maco: You could get the intrepid source package and rebuild it in a jaunty environment | 01:23 |
hggdh | can't you just downgrade it under synaptic? Or has the older version being deleted? | 01:24 |
maco | hggdh: er i was just gonna grab the deb that was in use prior to last week | 01:25 |
maxb | Oh, you *can* get it fromlaunchpad if you known where to look | 01:25 |
maco | because last week's upload broke things | 01:25 |
hggdh | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfree86-driver-synaptics | 01:25 |
maxb | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfree86-driver-synaptics/0.15.2-0ubuntu8, choose the right architecture, then the little "Resulting binaries" box on the right hand side, then you get a link to the actual binary package | 01:26 |
x1250 | maco, jaunty's previous version: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20438229/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.15.2-0ubuntu8_i386.deb | 01:26 |
x1250 | hggdh, old versions get deleted :( | 01:27 |
hggdh | yes... very fast | 01:27 |
maxb | From the archive.... but the librarian seems to hang on to them | 01:27 |
x1250 | yes, it looks like all versions can be grabbed from librarian | 01:28 |
hggdh | but as log as the source packages are there, then it is easy to rebuild locally, and deploy | 01:28 |
maco | x1250: thanks | 01:29 |
maco | 0.99.3 breaks things really badly | 01:29 |
x1250 | yes sir it does | 01:30 |
tuxxy__ | guys I have nvidia driver 180 installed and have added "IgnoreABI" "True" to xorg but no luck I get the same error at boot and have to reconfigur | 01:31 |
tuxxy__ | so unless I did something wrong I gess it isnt possible | 01:32 |
x1250 | tuxxy__, try pasting Xorg.0.log (from a failed attempt) in paste.ubuntu.com, and your failed xorg.conf. | 01:33 |
tuxxy__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111087/ | 01:35 |
tuxxy__ | x1250 theres the link it was a standard xorg and I somply added the bottom section for server flags, either way both fail with 180 nvidia drivers | 01:36 |
x1250 | tuxxy__, is Option "IgnoreABI" "True", with "Option" included :P | 01:37 |
x1250 | Option "IgnoreABI" "True" | 01:37 |
x1250 | just copy paste it | 01:37 |
tuxxy__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111088/ | 01:38 |
tuxxy__ | x1250 like that? | 01:38 |
shadowhywind | ok guys, heres a very odd problem, my left click on my touchpad, has turned into a "paste" button...... | 01:38 |
x1250 | tuxxy__, also, why are you separating things? Its IgnoreABI and not Ignore ABI, and ServerFlags, not Server Flags | 01:38 |
x1250 | tuxxy__, right, but you missed the whole ServerFlags section now :P. | 01:39 |
tuxxy__ | yes ok got it | 01:39 |
tuxxy__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111089/ | 01:40 |
x1250 | tuxxy__, looks ok, but this looks better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111090/ <----- just some identing, so it looks better | 01:43 |
tuxxy__ | no luck guys, it says drivers installed but no effects and fan will not stop on card | 01:45 |
x1250 | tuxxy__, what driver says Xorg.0.log you're using? and what does LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo gives you ? | 01:47 |
* leleobhz back | 02:01 | |
* leleobhz back | 02:02 | |
leleobhz | a strange thing | 02:03 |
leleobhz | running users-admin from console free my user line to edit | 02:04 |
leleobhz | run from system menu dont unhide notting | 02:04 |
leleobhz | can this have some relation with shadow? | 02:04 |
hggdh | leleobhz, I am not sure I follow you | 02:41 |
pwnguin | whoever said ext didnt fragment should see this | 03:42 |
pwnguin | B/dev/sda3: 255368/1181952 files (5.6% non-contiguous), 1769819/2359296 blocks | 03:42 |
pwnguin | oops | 03:48 |
pwnguin | it seems intrepid tools will tune an ext4 volume, but not mount it =( | 03:49 |
Amaranth | pwnguin: it's ext4dev | 03:54 |
pwnguin | oh yea | 03:54 |
Volkodav | http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS8942465787.html <== that'[s cool | 03:55 |
maco | ashp: you had the bug where no outputs are displayed, right? | 03:59 |
maco | for audio, i mean | 03:59 |
cwillu | pwnguin, nobody should have said ext doesn't fragment. The fragmentation however is typically minimal, and has very little effect on performance except on very full, very old, or very used-in-exactly-the-right-deliberately-weird-way ext partitions | 04:12 |
maco | torrenting without pre-allocating space....while your hard drive is pretty full and it's a large torrent...that'd be "exactly the right weird way" | 04:14 |
cwillu | maco, well, that'd be the 'very full' :p | 04:23 |
maco | cwillu: well if its a very large torrent that will *result* in very full, thatd also count, i think | 04:25 |
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pwnguin | oddly, things seem to have worked without touching fstab | 04:38 |
emet_ | !info mono | 04:52 |
ubottu | Package mono does not exist in jaunty | 04:52 |
emet_ | !info mono-mcs | 04:52 |
ubottu | mono-mcs (source: mono): Mono C# 1.0 compiler for CLI 1.1. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-0ubuntu3 (jaunty), package size 370 kB, installed size 1104 kB | 04:52 |
emet_ | :\ | 04:52 |
emet_ | !info rocketman | 04:53 |
ubottu | Package rocketman does not exist in jaunty | 04:53 |
teethdood | is sound broken for someone? | 05:13 |
maco | teethdood: no output device in your volume control? | 05:13 |
maco | pulseaudio -k && start-pulseaudio-x11 | 05:13 |
teethdood | maco: no output device yes | 05:13 |
teethdood | maco: thanks that works | 05:16 |
maco | its a race condition | 05:16 |
maco | bug 322374 | 05:16 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 322374 in pulseaudio "[jaunty regression] Pulse Audio finds no card for output" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322374 | 05:16 |
philip__ | is there an option to convert ext3 to ext4? gparted doesn't show it | 06:16 |
lucent | philip__: not a complete conversion, no | 06:17 |
lucent | ext4 is extents based | 06:17 |
lucent | you can use ext3 in a kind of hybrid mode, where it becomes thus unreadable by ext3 driver | 06:17 |
lucent | existing files use the existing inode scheme | 06:17 |
lucent | newer created files use the extents scheme | 06:17 |
lucent | philip__: I caution against using ext4 | 06:18 |
lucent | there's a data loss bug that bit me twice | 06:18 |
lucent | it's not ready yet. | 06:18 |
x1250 | lucent, you were affected by that bug? ouch. | 06:18 |
lucent | yeah | 06:18 |
lucent | I have a 1TB volume formatted with ext4dev too | 06:18 |
lucent | just kind of praying it never gets bit | 06:18 |
x1250 | :) | 06:19 |
philip__ | thanks for the warning | 06:19 |
lucent | using root-on-ext4-on-LVM I got bit by the ext4 corruption bug very quickly | 06:19 |
lucent | less than a week of regular daily use | 06:19 |
lucent | I'm shy to help fix and diagnose such bugs, other simpler tasks I will not wait for others to fix and do the work myself | 06:20 |
philip__ | so...don't use it even at Jaunty final? | 06:20 |
lucent | this ext4 scares the willies out of me | 06:20 |
lucent | I would wait for 2.6.31 or 2.6.32 | 06:20 |
lucent | IMO ext4 is nothing to get excited about, it will not be stable enough for production use before BTRFS gets adopted | 06:21 |
lucent | I like the extents capabilities of ext4 for large external (infrequently used and non-mission-critical) volumes | 06:21 |
x1250 | I'll wait till 9.10 or 10.04, if things goes well | 06:21 |
lucent | ha | 06:22 |
lucent | more interesting to me are the encrypted home directories | 06:22 |
philip__ | that's the other thing I wanna ask | 06:22 |
lucent | now that encrypted filenames are making their way into the mix, it will get very interesting quickly | 06:22 |
philip__ | home dir encryption, ready to roll or not? | 06:23 |
lucent | ready, if you don't mind it blowing up and having to do some admin work later | 06:23 |
lucent | it sure beats the piss out of having the whole block device encrypted, performance-wise | 06:24 |
x1250 | lucent, but I've read encryption has a rather big impact on performance | 06:25 |
lucent | yes, it does x1250 | 06:25 |
philip__ | I've been using mainly truecrypt but it's a pain in the ass sometimes | 06:25 |
lucent | moving encryption from block-device based to userspace based means that the kernel can cache things better | 06:25 |
lucent | I used block-device (LVM on luks) encryption for at least a year | 06:26 |
lucent | it was horridly slow, but unfalteringly secure | 06:26 |
emet_ | I'm going to do ext4 | 06:26 |
emet_ | I have faith in the kernel hax0rs | 06:26 |
lucent | emet_: you have a blindness to my advice | 06:27 |
lucent | that is okay | 06:27 |
lucent | philip__: home dir encryption in Alpha3 does not encrypt filenames | 06:27 |
emet_ | :o | 06:27 |
philip__ | under truecrypt AES128, my external USB drive goes from 13MB/s to 2MB/s transfer rate | 06:28 |
lucent | it really doesn't address the issue of hiding one's pornography | 06:28 |
emet_ | butterfs has awhile to go tho | 06:28 |
lucent | USB? | 06:28 |
lucent | philip__: if you're encrypting a USB flash drive, I suggest using luks, it's built in support for any Ubuntu Gnome desktop is superb | 06:29 |
philip__ | one of those pocket western digital drives | 06:29 |
lucent | I can stick my encrypted USB thumbdrive in a LiveCD environment and there's a graphical prompt for the key | 06:29 |
lucent | it's bliss | 06:29 |
lucent | hey - I need to find answers about a Ruby / TCP/IP programming problem involving libpcap-ruby Pcap::TCPPacket#tcp_data_len != Pcap::TCPPacket#tcp_data.length | 06:32 |
lucent | anybody into that stuff? | 06:32 |
cwillu | lucent, #ruby? :p | 06:40 |
cwillu | lucent, I'd expect one is the buffer size, and the other is the size of the actual data in the buffer, but I don't really know | 06:40 |
lucent | cwillu: I'm tryin' | 06:42 |
lucent | cwillu: the app I want to make will rip video from flash websites that stream via RTMP protocol | 06:42 |
cwillu | lucent, can't you already do that by grabbing the Flash* file from /tmp? | 06:43 |
lucent | cwillu: with RTMP streams there's not always a /tmp file | 06:43 |
lucent | cwillu: the problem I'm having (even before addressing that RTMP stream) is that packets are failing and being retransmitted | 06:44 |
lucent | I need to go back and re-insert packets | 06:45 |
lucent | but I don't know how @#%#@@$ big they are | 06:45 |
lucent | maybe I'm over thinking this but, how do you take output from pcap and re-assemble TCP packets in-order and replace re-transmitted failure packets | 06:46 |
cwillu | rtmp already has the means to request a resend of a dropped packet, no? | 06:48 |
cwillu | tcp itself does | 06:48 |
lucent | TCP is, so like I get sequence numbers with each packet | 06:49 |
lucent | based on TCPPacket#tcp_seq + TCPPacket#tcp_data_len is the supposed next sequence number | 06:49 |
lucent | if the sequence number isn't right, then I'm missing a packet | 06:49 |
lucent | if the number is greater, then it's missed | 06:49 |
lucent | if it's less, then it's a re-transmit | 06:50 |
lucent | I kind of have a system in place that builds a hash lookup of sequence numbers and tells me if they're missing or not | 06:50 |
lucent | so ... yeah | 06:50 |
lucent | I just need some more interest from people who know what they're doing | 06:51 |
cwillu | still not sure why you're not just getting a retransmit then, a dropped packet should get a resend well below the application layer | 06:52 |
lucent | cwillu: I'm hooking into pcap though | 06:53 |
lucent | it's seeing packets as they come | 06:53 |
cwillu | yes, but it should be retransmitted regardless | 06:53 |
cwillu | not sure why you need to recheck it | 06:53 |
lucent | it is retransmitted, and I'm getting that retransmitted packet :P | 06:54 |
lucent | but it's not in order | 06:54 |
lucent | 'cause it's retransmitted | 06:54 |
cwillu | but... | 06:54 |
cwillu | then... | 06:54 |
* cwillu 's head explodes | 06:54 | |
cwillu | rtmp has sequence numbers on the data, why do you need to retransmit it at all? you have the data, just, use it | 06:55 |
cwillu | I'm missing something :) | 06:55 |
lucent | I get like A B D E F C G H I | 06:55 |
cwillu | you're the receiver, right? | 06:55 |
lucent | yep | 06:55 |
lucent | I'm just observing traffic on the wire | 06:55 |
lucent | I'm not the RTMP client | 06:55 |
BUGabundo | guys we were discussing here yesterday data loss | 09:45 |
BUGabundo | and tests of disk were asked | 09:45 |
BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111181/ | 09:45 |
BUGabundo | here is my smartctl -a | 09:45 |
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tbd | hi | 10:52 |
tbd | i've installed kde 4.2 on my amd64 jaunty box and i have a "little" problem... | 10:53 |
tbd | is wished to know if anyone could help me with it | 10:53 |
tbd | i don't get the title bars on the windows and i presume it is a problem with some package, but i don't know if it is so or if it is due to something else | 10:54 |
BUGabundo | tdb you need to refresh your window manage | 10:55 |
BUGabundo | something like kwin --replace | 10:55 |
BUGabundo | for kwin | 10:55 |
BUGabundo | or compiz --replace for compiz | 10:55 |
tbd | I was not using compiz, then... I'll try the first thing | 10:56 |
tbd | thx, BUGabundo | 10:56 |
twager | Firefox runs ok yet I cannot do an upgrade as apt telle=s me it cannot find the repos...I cannot ping ubuntu either ny name or ip number any help welcome | 11:02 |
tbd | hi again... | 11:12 |
tbd | already solved ;) | 11:12 |
CoreyOn | Hey, does anyone know if the current daily builds include kde 4.2.0, or is it still too soon for them to be adding that? | 11:29 |
cwillu | !info kdebase | 11:44 |
ubottu | kdebase (source: kdebase): base applications from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 68 kB, installed size 180 kB | 11:44 |
cwillu | cor^^^ | 11:44 |
cwillu | bah, silly CoreyOn | 11:44 |
Kano | hi, why is there no new current iso for kubuntu? | 11:55 |
BUGabundo | kano no daily? | 12:12 |
BUGabundo | !daily | 12:12 |
ubottu | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 12:12 |
BUGabundo | Kano: I see it there! | 12:12 |
Kano | BUGabundo: nope | 12:12 |
Kano | both daily are 2 days old | 12:13 |
BUGabundo | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ | 12:13 |
Kano | hmm | 12:13 |
BUGabundo | yep | 12:13 |
BUGabundo | right | 12:13 |
BUGabundo | I was seeing alternate | 12:13 |
BUGabundo | 29-Jan-2009 05:18 | 12:13 |
BUGabundo | daily is from 27 | 12:13 |
philip__ | ok I just apt-get smartmontools, but why the heck does it depend on postfix packages?!? | 14:19 |
histo | Are we broken rightnow? | 14:43 |
histo | ahh well i'm rebooting and finding out i guess. | 14:43 |
asraniel | hm.. the new adept (comming from 8.04, never used 8.10) is really bad... any news about kpackagekit replacing it? | 15:47 |
BUGabundo1 | Friends I would like to invite you all to show up at Tokamak, a KDE summit to discuss the future of Plasma. from day 6 to 9, at Porto (ISEP) Portugal. http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Tokamak2 & http://tuxvermelho.blogspot.com/2009/01/tokamak-ii-no-porto.html | 16:08 |
FFForever | any news on a sound fix? | 16:17 |
BUGabundo1 | FFForever: what prob are you experiencing? | 16:18 |
FFForever | after yesterdays round of bug fixes after rebooting i lost sound =\ | 16:18 |
FFForever | someone else had this problem i advised them 2 wait for a new pulse audio update... but i dunno.... | 16:19 |
tuxxy__ | im still waiting for nvidia issues to be sorted too | 16:19 |
FFForever | tuxxy__, what issue?, nvidia works fine 4 me =D | 16:19 |
tuxxy__ | well no restricted drivers available and when I manually install the 1.80 driver and edit the xorg with ABI ignore it still not work | 16:20 |
asraniel | only if you have a new card | 16:20 |
tuxxy__ | 8600GTS | 16:20 |
FFForever | mine words perfectly, tuxxy__ did u use the nvidia-xconfig as root? | 16:21 |
tuxxy__ | i installed the driver manually 1.80 and run nvidia-xcoinfig yes | 16:21 |
tuxxy__ | I got the error system is not using driver | 16:21 |
FFForever | dunno after i added the ignoreabi it worked for me =p | 16:21 |
tuxxy__ | with which driver | 16:22 |
FFForever | is anyone having a problem using the repo? | 16:22 |
FFForever | the 1.80 =P | 16:22 |
tuxxy__ | damn so you installed 1.80 and added ABI ignore true to xorg | 16:22 |
maxb | There is no 1.80 nvidia driver. There is a 180 though :-) | 16:23 |
tuxxy__ | wonder why it wont work for me maybe cos I am 64-bit | 16:23 |
FFForever | i am on 32 =P | 16:23 |
FFForever | i don't use x64 even though i could... | 16:23 |
tuxxy__ | shame :p | 16:23 |
FFForever | tuxxy__, does apt-get update work 4 u? | 16:23 |
tuxxy__ | ok so my question anyone got an nvidia card working on 64-bit Jaunty | 16:23 |
FFForever | i cant get updates it won't connect =\ | 16:23 |
BUGabundo1 | nvidia fine for me | 16:24 |
BUGabundo1 | sound too | 16:24 |
tuxxy__ | well im not on Jaunt right now | 16:24 |
maxb | tuxxy__: Yes, working for me right now | 16:24 |
BUGabundo1 | I do have the ABI ignore | 16:24 |
tuxxy__ | BUGabundo1: driver 180 and did you add ABI Ignore to xorg | 16:24 |
BUGabundo1 | 64bits too | 16:24 |
FFForever | it stops @ 54% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.31)] | 16:24 |
tuxxy__ | ok im gonna boot it give it another shit | 16:24 |
tuxxy__ | oops | 16:24 |
tuxxy__ | shot | 16:24 |
tuxxy__ | heh brb | 16:24 |
BUGabundo1 | tuxxy__: I ddi | 16:24 |
BUGabundo1 | FFForever: choose another mirror | 16:25 |
FFForever | BUGabundo1, how? | 16:25 |
charlie-tca | FFForever: Sems slow today | 16:25 |
BUGabundo1 | AFTER doing an apt-get clean | 16:25 |
BUGabundo1 | System->Admin->Sources | 16:25 |
maxb | waitwaitwait | 16:25 |
maxb | You don't want to "apt-get clean" | 16:25 |
maxb | Unless you genuinely want to delete all your downloaded .deb files | 16:26 |
BUGabundo1 | I would recommend | 16:26 |
BUGabundo1 | so old lists get clean | 16:26 |
maxb | BUGabundo1: Are you sure that apt-get clean affects the lists _at all_? I believe it only relates to the packages | 16:26 |
BUGabundo1 | having several mirrors lists have cause me corruption of packages download in the past | 16:26 |
BUGabundo1 | ok do it manually then | 16:27 |
BUGabundo1 | LOLOL | 16:27 |
BUGabundo1 | sudo rm /var/cache/ something | 16:27 |
* BUGabundo1 puts be warning in using sudo rm | 16:27 | |
BUGabundo1 | s/be/big/ | 16:27 |
tuxxy__ | ok guys im in Jaunty, restricted drivers says i have the 180 driver installed and activated yet I cant have effects and my 8600GTS fan is stuck on full speed heh | 16:27 |
tuxxy__ | heres my xorg http://paste.ubuntu.com/111272/ | 16:29 |
FFForever | ... | 16:29 |
FFForever | run nvidia-xconfig | 16:29 |
FFForever | ur not using the nvidia driver.... | 16:29 |
tuxxy__ | VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver line. | 16:29 |
FFForever | duh =P | 16:30 |
FFForever | add one? | 16:30 |
tuxxy__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111275/ that better? | 16:32 |
FFForever | should be =P | 16:32 |
FFForever | gimmie 1 min | 16:32 |
FFForever | ill post mine =D | 16:32 |
tuxxy__ | hey thanks FFForever | 16:33 |
FFForever | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111278/ | 16:34 |
FFForever | (i am on a laptop) | 16:34 |
tuxxy__ | could I just copy paste the xorg from my Ibex installation | 16:34 |
FFForever | should work =P | 16:34 |
FFForever | but i dunno | 16:34 |
tuxxy__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111280/ | 16:35 |
maxb | tuxxy__: Prefer not to, the xorg.conf is deliberately edited going intrepid->jaunty by the update-manager | 16:35 |
tuxxy__ | hmm well Ill give this a shot then try it with just the driver line | 16:36 |
tuxxy__ | brb | 16:36 |
FFForever | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch | 16:37 |
FFForever | =\ | 16:37 |
maxb | FFForever: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.us.kernel.org_* and try again | 16:39 |
tuxxy__ | no luck | 16:39 |
FFForever | kk | 16:39 |
FFForever | why do uc's waste money on hosting distro repo's? | 16:40 |
maxb | tuxxy__: My working xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/111283/ | 16:41 |
tuxxy__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111284/ | 16:41 |
tuxxy__ | I got too much Ill cut some out | 16:41 |
tuxxy__ | ok one mroe go | 16:42 |
FFForever | its archive.channicol.com that is giving me the problems =\ | 16:43 |
FFForever | that only ubuntu host... | 16:43 |
FFForever | Canonical* | 16:43 |
teethdood | is the top panel's autohide feature not working for anyone else? | 16:44 |
tuxxy__ | maxb: I used your exact xorg and received error unable to parse config file | 16:46 |
maxb | ! | 16:46 |
tuxxy__ | heh ye | 16:46 |
tuxxy__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/111285/ | 16:47 |
tuxxy__ | that what i used | 16:47 |
tuxxy__ | it did give me less errors than usual though on a positive note heh | 16:47 |
tuxxy__ | cracked it guys :0 | 16:53 |
tuxxy__ | thanks maxb ;) | 16:55 |
maxb | What was the final answer? | 16:55 |
tuxxy__ | working perfect | 16:57 |
tuxxy__ | :) | 16:57 |
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FFForever2 | bah..., the new kernel is broken =( | 17:28 |
FFForever2 | Acpi: aborted because of bad magic numbers, Kernel panic - not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown wn-block(0,0) | 17:28 |
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nickrud | is it march yet? No? | 19:01 |
Assid | jj in march? | 19:01 |
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nickrud | no, I'm yearning for jaunty but usually wait for march to test new versions | 19:02 |
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maco | are there minimal install disks for jaunty yet? | 20:54 |
maco | ive got one system that can only be installed using a minimal (net) install disk | 20:54 |
Pici | maco: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ seems to exist. But I have no idea if those were ever tested. | 20:57 |
maco | meh i'm fine with being a test dummy | 20:57 |
maco | that system's not my main one. the one i use for everything is *already* running jaunty ;-) | 20:57 |
Pici | maco: Mine too. | 20:59 |
Xamusk | how stable is jaunty now? | 21:00 |
maco | fairly | 21:01 |
maco | i get kernel panics on hibernate | 21:01 |
maco | sometimes no keyboard after suspend | 21:01 |
ikonia | Xamusk: variable | 21:01 |
maco | and there's currently a race condition in pulseaudio that's easily worked around | 21:01 |
maco | while the system's running, it seems fairly stable for me | 21:02 |
Xamusk | :( | 21:03 |
Xamusk | I just got a new box and was checking FS's status to see which would be best now | 21:03 |
ikonia | ext3 | 21:03 |
Xamusk | I currently use reiserfs | 21:04 |
maco | ext4 is in and called stable, but make sure you keep backups. and keep the backups on a different fs. | 21:04 |
Xamusk | I don't like ext3 much, since I've had corrupted files with it | 21:04 |
Xamusk | and also with a wrong powerdown it takes forever to check, not counting that thing that keeps checking after 20 reboots | 21:05 |
ikonia | Xamusk: you can control how often it checks after unmounts | 21:06 |
lucent | I don't have those problems, Xamusk, I am on laptop hardware which sometimes uncleanly powers off | 21:06 |
Xamusk | well, when I lost data with ext3 was a long time ago, but having to configure that stuff manually is a pain, and reiserfs checks much faster after unclean shutdown | 21:07 |
mahfiaz | i still keep my /home on ext2 to have undelete | 21:08 |
maco | Xamusk: i can tell you why it checks faster | 21:08 |
mahfiaz | and two days ago I needed it again, but since I wasn't quick when powering off my machine, I still lost my data | 21:09 |
maco | unless im confusing it with xfs, it does writeback checking only | 21:09 |
* Assid is ready to give bandwith | 21:09 | |
Assid | tell me when | 21:09 |
maco | so it'll throw away whatever was supposed to be written | 21:09 |
maco | and any broken files, in order to get into a consistent state | 21:09 |
maco | ext3 tracks what should be written/removed and then does it if it wasnt done before shut down, so you still end up with the changes being committed properly | 21:10 |
* maco goes to check that old term paper | 21:10 | |
maco | ah reiserfs isnt even writeback-only. it's metadata-only. | 21:11 |
Xamusk | hmmm | 21:11 |
maco | Since ReiserFS is not always synchronous, journalling cannot always protect against a corrupted file | 21:11 |
maco | system if the system is shutdown uncleanly. | 21:11 |
maco | xfs is writeback-only. ext3 can be put into writeback-only mode if you like | 21:11 |
maco | wait wait | 21:12 |
maco | reading more through my paper because this was a while ago... | 21:12 |
maco | writeback is just ext3's name for metadata-only journalling | 21:12 |
Xamusk | fact is that I've lost data with it, including system files | 21:12 |
maco | so this is why i keep old term papers lying around... | 21:12 |
Xamusk | :) | 21:16 |
lucent | fact, I've lost data with ext4, reiserfs, xfs, fat32, and early revisions of ext3 journalling | 21:30 |
lucent | I've never lost data due to an error in stable ext3 operation | 21:31 |
lucent | it's air-tight if your RAM is good | 21:31 |
lucent | bad ram can lead to corruption very quickly | 21:31 |
Xamusk | yeah, I've been there... bad RAM, but no corruption, luckly | 21:34 |
bardyr | Hey, i have just upgraded to jaunty and i noticed the new volume controller, my problem is that now i cant turn of my bass? is there anyway to get all the old options back? | 21:38 |
mahfiaz | alsamixer may help you | 21:41 |
CarlFK | what is the xorg.conf tweek to get nvidia to work with janty? | 21:41 |
mahfiaz | buf if you find a neater way, let me know | 21:41 |
bardyr | CarlFK, get the latest driver | 21:41 |
bardyr | it works and it works insanely great | 21:42 |
CarlFK | bardyr: Installed: 180.22-0ubuntu2 ? | 21:42 |
andersk | Option "IgnoreABI" "True" in the ServerFlags section | 21:43 |
bardyr | CarlFK, you need to download and compile the latest driver from nvidia.com | 21:43 |
CarlFK | andersk: that's what I think I was looking for | 21:43 |
CarlFK | bardyr: no time :) | 21:43 |
andersk | Using the driver from nvidia.com is not recommended because it will interfere with the package manager. | 21:44 |
x1250 | bardyr, try with: alsamixer -c 0 | 21:44 |
x1250 | or install gnome-alsamixer | 21:45 |
CarlFK | whats the dpkg thing to build xorg with driver=nvidia? | 21:46 |
x1250 | with driver nvidia? don't know any. | 21:47 |
x1250 | dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg will create a default xorg.conf, for driver nv | 21:48 |
CarlFK | yeah, it is someting like that | 21:48 |
blueyed | CarlFK: just change "nv" to "nvidia" (if you have the latter installed) | 21:48 |
CarlFK | my card isn't supported by nv :( | 21:48 |
CarlFK | but maybe dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ... then flip it.. | 21:49 |
x1250 | sure, just add a Driver "nvidia" in section "Device", just under "Configured Video Device" | 21:50 |
phixxor | my computer boots from CDR but not from CDRW -- is that a common problem? | 21:50 |
lucent | phixxor: yeah | 21:54 |
maxb | Really? | 21:54 |
lucent | phixxor: cdrw is not bootable on drives manufactured on or before 1997 | 21:54 |
lucent | also you can't boot from UDF discs usually on equipment made before 2003 | 21:54 |
lucent | it has to be a fully written and closed ISO session from a blanked CDRW with | 21:55 |
lucent | . | 21:55 |
phixxor | lucent: ok well this computer came with 98 installed so I think it is new enough but I'm not sure | 21:58 |
phixxor | PIII 733mhz | 21:58 |
lucent | 98 what installed? | 21:58 |
lucent | RAM? | 21:58 |
phixxor | heh, no windows | 21:58 |
phixxor | that's how old it is | 21:58 |
lucent | I thought case modding wasn't popular until at least the PIII 800mhz units were common | 21:59 |
lucent | why would you want 98 windows anyways | 21:59 |
phixxor | I don't | 21:59 |
phixxor | I was just using that as a clue to see how old it was | 21:59 |
lucent | what are you talking about? | 21:59 |
phixxor | if it came with win 98, it must have been older than 1998 | 21:59 |
lucent | oh nevermind | 22:00 |
phixxor | so could I close the session next time | 22:00 |
phixxor | or would it still have trouble | 22:00 |
lucent | I stopped using that microsoft garbage after the transition from Microsoft (R) Windows (TM) Windows for Workgroups (TM) 3.11 | 22:01 |
lucent | open session cdrw discs will *not* boot without specially designed firmware | 22:01 |
phixxor | lucent: that is way before I was using computers at all :P | 22:01 |
phixxor | so if I specifically close the session, it might have a chance at booting | 22:02 |
lucent | phixxor: in layman terms, find an Ubuntu box that is working and has a cd burner, and right click on the ISO image file icon, and go "Write to disc" or some such | 22:03 |
lucent | using the Disc burner | 22:03 |
lucent | it will work. | 22:03 |
lucent | if it doesn't work, it will never work | 22:03 |
phixxor | lucent: the iso is on a mac right now | 22:04 |
lucent | good luck buddy | 22:04 |
phixxor | I think there's an option of closing the session after writing | 22:04 |
lucent | I don't know how that mac thing works | 22:04 |
phixxor | lucent: thanks | 22:04 |
phixxor | I'll try it | 22:04 |
phixxor | in fact when I try to boot from it, it throws up the splash screen (ubuntu live disk) | 22:07 |
phixxor | but when I try to start up it waits a while and gives me an i/o error | 22:07 |
phixxor | maybe it's a problem with the live cd technology | 22:07 |
phixxor | support for older drives | 22:08 |
bardyr | phixxor, have you tried a disk check? | 22:15 |
bardyr | phixxor, all IO errors i have seen on live cd's have been because the cd was crap | 22:15 |
phixxor | bardyr: I can try one; cdrws do tend to have more errors | 22:16 |
phixxor | its just that the burning program I used said it verified the disk for accuracy after burning | 22:17 |
CarlFK | http://dpaste.com/114461/ Backtrace: 0: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x81340eb] 1 | 22:17 |
bardyr | CarlFK, you need to upgrade to the latest driver if you want to use the nvidia driver | 22:19 |
bardyr | ignoreABI is just to unstable to be useful | 22:19 |
CarlFK | bardyr: have the url of the i386 ver of NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-180.22-pkg2.run ? | 22:22 |
CarlFK | i accednetly downgraded my box | 22:22 |
bardyr | 2sec | 22:22 |
bardyr | and you need a newer driver then that | 22:22 |
bardyr | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.27/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.27-pkg1.run | 22:23 |
CarlFK | thanks | 22:23 |
CarlFK | bardyr: what do I need to apt get so it can buid? | 22:25 |
bardyr | and that driver runs incredibly good | 22:25 |
CarlFK | er, looks like I am setup | 22:25 |
bardyr | CarlFK, build-essential | 22:25 |
CarlFK | headers is what I am woried about | 22:25 |
bardyr | build-essential should handle all that stuff | 22:25 |
CarlFK | something did :) | 22:26 |
CarlFK | bardyr: still crashing | 22:29 |
CarlFK | I think 173 is still intalled | 22:29 |
CarlFK | The following packages will be REMOVED: nvidia-glx-173 | 22:29 |
CarlFK | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-glx-173 | 22:30 |
CarlFK | crap - I ended up with .22 | 22:32 |
CarlFK | yay. NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86 (180.27) | 22:34 |
maxb | Does it tell you what's new in .27 anywhere? The nvidia website is still advertizing .22 | 22:35 |
bardyr | CarlFK, congrats | 22:36 |
bardyr | maxb, i think the only difference is that .27 was touched by God | 22:36 |
maxb | heh | 22:37 |
CarlFK | bardyr: still crashing | 22:37 |
maxb | Well, .22 is working for me, so I'll wait for it to land in Jaunty regardless | 22:37 |
bardyr | seriously all my gfx errors are gone | 22:37 |
bardyr | no more weird compiz | 22:37 |
bardyr | CarlFK, what does the log say? | 22:37 |
CarlFK | Saw signal 11. Server aborting. http://dpaste.com/114472/ | 22:39 |
bardyr | CarlFK,is that a updated log? | 22:42 |
CarlFK | updated ? | 22:43 |
bardyr | new | 22:43 |
CarlFK | yes | 22:43 |
bardyr | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) | 22:43 |
bardyr | uninstall all ubuntu nvidia drivers with --purge | 22:43 |
bardyr | and reinstall the official binary one | 22:43 |
bardyr | CarlFK, that one is using .22 | 22:44 |
CarlFK | --purge ? | 22:44 |
CarlFK | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-glx-173 | 22:45 |
CarlFK | can I just rm /lib/modules/2.6.28-5-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia ? | 22:45 |
lucent | as root, you can do damn near anything. | 22:46 |
decomp | my mouse and keyboard stop working under kde. work fine on console. any ideas? | 22:54 |
decomp | actually dont work under gnome or xfce4 either but was still running kdm | 22:54 |
maco_ | decomp: join the party | 22:54 |
decomp | lol | 22:54 |
maco_ | oh | 22:54 |
maco_ | nevermind. mine do work in gnome. | 22:54 |
decomp | are you running gdm or kdm? | 22:55 |
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maco | gdm | 22:55 |
decomp | ahhh | 22:55 |
decomp | i shall try that then | 22:55 |
decomp | tx | 22:55 |
decomp | i just love bleeding edge | 22:55 |
andersk | I packaged nvidia 180.27 in my PPA, for anyone who wants to try it without confusing their package manager: https://launchpad.net/~anders-kaseorg/+archive/ppa | 22:58 |
decomp | gnome and gdm = no dice | 22:59 |
CarlFK | ander : The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. | 23:01 |
CarlFK | 23:01 | |
CarlFK | oh, that isn't the soruces line | 23:01 |
CarlFK | andersk: whats the package name? | 23:02 |
CarlFK | nvidia-glx-180 ? | 23:02 |
andersk | Yes. | 23:03 |
CarlFK | i thought there already was a 180? | 23:03 |
andersk | Jaunty has 180.22. My PPA has 180.27. | 23:03 |
CarlFK | ah, right | 23:03 |
decomp | AH | 23:03 |
decomp | i want that then | 23:03 |
decomp | ;) | 23:04 |
CarlFK | boy I hope this works | 23:04 |
andersk | CarlFK: if you have the binary nvidia driver installed from nvidia.com, you probably want to uninstall it before installing an nvidia-glx-180 package. | 23:04 |
CarlFK | dpkg: error processing nvidia-glx-173 (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 | 23:04 |
CarlFK | Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-glx-173 | 23:04 |
CarlFK | I really wish that would go away | 23:04 |
decomp | andersk: can you just do dpkg -P on the existing driver? | 23:05 |
decomp | i removed all those drivers at one point, i was frustrated lol | 23:05 |
CarlFK | gah!(II) NVIDIA GLX Module 180.22 Tue Jan 6 09:58:42 PST 2009 | 23:05 |
andersk | If you're already using the Ubuntu-packaged nvidia driver, you should just be able to upgrade. But if you manually installed it from nvidia.com, that screws things up. | 23:05 |
decomp | good point | 23:06 |
decomp | why is ubuntu the only distro that complains about my BIOS | 23:06 |
decomp | ok i already had your repo in as specified above, ive also done several dist-upgrades and upgrades but for some reason i have the 180-22 ver | 23:08 |
andersk | Did you do aptitude update or apt-get update after adding the repo? | 23:09 |
decomp | yeah its a key issue, nevermind | 23:10 |
decomp | ;) | 23:10 |
CarlFK | where is it finding .22? | 23:12 |
decomp | there we go, downloading now | 23:12 |
decomp | my existing driver ver | 23:12 |
CarlFK | http://dpaste.com/114483/ | 23:12 |
CarlFK | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so ? | 23:13 |
andersk | dpkg -l nvidia*180* | 23:16 |
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