[00:25] someone know why users-admin dont work even using sudo? [00:26] leleobhz: because you cant use sudo with policy-kit apps [00:26] leleobhz: Because it uses policykit now; it should barf on sudo. [00:26] you have to just run "users-admin" and then click the unlock button [00:27] this worked in first install [00:27] it worked back in 7.10 [00:27] but after a dist-upgrade (from jaunty to jaunty) [00:27] not since then [00:27] anyone know where I can find mf2t? I asked in #ubuntu and no help [00:27] this button is hidden [00:27] this is why im asking [00:27] maco: what i can try to make this work again? [00:27] the unlock button still exists on users-admin in jaunty [00:28] do *not* run "sudo users-admin" or the button will be disabled [00:28] dont work [00:28] bug 210897 [00:28] Launchpad bug 210897 in consolekit "sudo *something which uses policykit?* doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210897 [00:28] maco: ive runned only with my user, and dont worked [00:29] "Don't work" isn't a useful problem description. Does the "unlock" button appear? Is it sensitive? What happens if you press it? etc. [00:29] so if i run one time users-admin with sudo, i permanentelly damage it? [00:29] RAOF: [28/01-22:27:31] < leleobhz> this button is hidden [00:29] still hidden if i run with my user [00:29] hidden as in not there at all or as in greyed out [00:29] grayed out [00:30] like i dont have permission to run it [00:30] try "sudo -k" then retry it [00:30] *without* sudo [00:30] no effect [00:30] (sudo -k will kill the sudo session) [00:30] or close the terminal, and open it again [00:30] * leleobhz running all commands from my user [00:31] hggdh: ive had sudo credentials carry from one terminator to another [00:31] maco: understood, but dont worked yet [00:32] ill post a screenshot [00:32] maco, that's bad -- the credentials should be restricted to the pid [00:32] unless you opened a terminator from another running terminator [00:32] (or gnome-terminal, for that matter) [00:32] hggdh: no, if i use sudo in a terminator, then close it and open another right away, sometimes i dont need to enter my password when i sudo in the new one [00:33] dunno if it still happens with jaunty [00:33] but on hardy i could do it [00:33] eeek [00:33] yeah i can still do it [00:33] then it is a safer bet to sudo -k [00:34] http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9452/usersadmingi9.png [00:34] here is [00:34] open a terminator, sudo -i, enter pw, hit the X. open a new terminator, sudo -i, no need for pw [00:35] leleobhz: yeah that looks broken. can you reproduce it with a new user or after a reboot? [00:35] maco: this happens here (the hardy issue) :p [00:35] perhaps group membership [00:35] hggdh: what? [00:35] my user is the first ive created in ubuntu install [00:36] and the users-admin worked before the dist-upgrade [00:37] perhaps he is not a member of the adm group [00:37] uid=1000(leleobhz) gid=1000(leleobhz) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),116(admin),121(sambashare),1000(leleobhz),1002(setfon) [00:37] i am [00:38] hggdh: should i be filing a bug on sudo for letting me do that in terminator? [00:38] hggdh: i assumed it was like the 15 minutes gksudo timeout [00:39] terminator ;P [00:39] maco I think you should. I am not sure what to open against, though [00:39] Tekno: terminator uses vte [00:40] right [00:40] oooo maybe it is terminator [00:40] terminator seems a good bet [00:40] because i cant do it with gnome-terminal [00:40] even better! [00:40] oh wiat yes i can [00:40] its vte [00:40] some idea guys? [00:40] if i sudo -i in gnome-terminal, it doesnt carry over to terminator [00:41] it does carry over to later gnome-terminals though [00:41] ...i wonder if maybe they're assigned the same pid? [00:41] leleobhz, I am stumped right now [00:42] the hell is on my side of the fence it works fine [00:42] if i start one, do stuff, and exit it, then start another...since the first was exited, maybe the old pid is assigned to the new process? [00:43] could happen on an extremely busy system, otherwise the chances are pretty much nill [00:43] you mean extremely not-busy? [00:43] pids are monotonically increasing (until they wrap around) [00:43] oh [00:44] i thought maybe it was "lowest available" :-/ [00:45] heh. users-admin help page is sorta oldish [00:45] (c) 2004... [00:45] oy [00:45] oy vey [00:45] no, revised on 2006 [00:46] sigh. OK. Time for a LP search [00:46] 2006 is still a while [00:46] well, i ll need restart [00:47] its good because my VM goes down too [00:47] yes. leleobhz, does it happen after a restart? [00:47] ill see after i restart my entire system [00:47] ill back [00:47] k [00:49] maco, when you say it carries over to other gnome-terms, do you close the first gnome-term and open a new one, or you just fire another from the g-t menu? [00:50] close it and open a new one [00:50] eeek eeek eeek [00:50] launching from alt+f2 "gnome-terminal" [00:51] bug 313990 [00:51] Launchpad bug 313990 in gnome-system-tools "[users-admin] adding new user sets groups to nogroup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313990 [00:52] I will try it [00:54] i dont have g-t in my menu anymore [00:54] i launch terminator with super+t since i mapped it in my compiz shortcuts === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [00:58] hggdh: slangasek says it's not a bug. sudo auth is based on user+tty# and when i close the first terminal and open a new one, the same tty# is used [00:58] its not pid-based [01:00] ah, OK [01:01] makes sense -- the pty gets reused [01:04] maco, where can I control which actions give sound feedback? Like clicking on a button, etc [01:05] i dont know [01:05] im still trying to figure out how to test all the available alert sounds in the volume control thing [01:05] oh, so its volume-control... [01:05] if i click "ubuntu" it makes the bongo noise, which i suppose is as an example [01:06] no...i havent seen an option for it in there [01:06] i havent seen an option anywhere [01:06] i would ASSUME somwhere in some audio control app *if* it exists [01:07] ah thanks. I am going crazy here -- my sound finally started to work again, and I cannot control what sounds and what does not [01:07] I am almost going back to pulseaudio, so that I will have no sound again :-( [01:09] anyway. The volume control button on the volume icon does not fire off anything [01:12] is it intentional that only 1 slider is available now? [01:12] i need to go into alsamixer if i want to change more than one slider [01:12] otherwise i *guess* right-click -> preferences, set the volume icon to control slider A. set it. right-click -> preferences, set to control slider B. set B. again for sliders C, D, E, and F [01:13] * hggdh has no clue, having been without sound for pretty much one year now. And neither "volume control" nor "preferences" work... [01:16] has anyone got their nvidia card working in Jaunty yet? [01:16] with any driver heh [01:16] hggdh: they launch nothing? [01:17] tuxxy__, sure. Try using driver 180 and in xorg.conf: Section "ServerFlags" with Option "IgnoreABI" "True". [01:18] ahhh thats the issue i had thankyou sir, I had the 180 installed but didnt edit the xorg [01:20] where can i get an old version of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics? [01:20] the current one is really freaking unusable [01:21] maco, from launchpad.net [01:22] where though? [01:23] maco, they launch nuthin [01:23] maco: You could get the intrepid source package and rebuild it in a jaunty environment [01:24] can't you just downgrade it under synaptic? Or has the older version being deleted? [01:25] hggdh: er i was just gonna grab the deb that was in use prior to last week [01:25] Oh, you *can* get it fromlaunchpad if you known where to look [01:25] because last week's upload broke things [01:25] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfree86-driver-synaptics [01:26] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfree86-driver-synaptics/0.15.2-0ubuntu8, choose the right architecture, then the little "Resulting binaries" box on the right hand side, then you get a link to the actual binary package [01:26] maco, jaunty's previous version: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20438229/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.15.2-0ubuntu8_i386.deb [01:27] hggdh, old versions get deleted :( [01:27] yes... very fast [01:27] From the archive.... but the librarian seems to hang on to them [01:28] yes, it looks like all versions can be grabbed from librarian [01:28] but as log as the source packages are there, then it is easy to rebuild locally, and deploy [01:29] x1250: thanks [01:29] 0.99.3 breaks things really badly [01:30] yes sir it does [01:31] guys I have nvidia driver 180 installed and have added "IgnoreABI" "True" to xorg but no luck I get the same error at boot and have to reconfigur [01:32] so unless I did something wrong I gess it isnt possible [01:33] tuxxy__, try pasting Xorg.0.log (from a failed attempt) in paste.ubuntu.com, and your failed xorg.conf. [01:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/111087/ [01:36] x1250 theres the link it was a standard xorg and I somply added the bottom section for server flags, either way both fail with 180 nvidia drivers [01:37] tuxxy__, is Option "IgnoreABI" "True", with "Option" included :P [01:37] Option "IgnoreABI" "True" [01:37] just copy paste it [01:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/111088/ [01:38] x1250 like that? [01:38] ok guys, heres a very odd problem, my left click on my touchpad, has turned into a "paste" button...... [01:38] tuxxy__, also, why are you separating things? Its IgnoreABI and not Ignore ABI, and ServerFlags, not Server Flags [01:39] tuxxy__, right, but you missed the whole ServerFlags section now :P. [01:39] yes ok got it [01:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/111089/ [01:43] tuxxy__, looks ok, but this looks better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111090/ <----- just some identing, so it looks better [01:45] no luck guys, it says drivers installed but no effects and fan will not stop on card [01:47] tuxxy__, what driver says Xorg.0.log you're using? and what does LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo gives you ? [02:01] * leleobhz back [02:02] * leleobhz back [02:03] a strange thing [02:04] running users-admin from console free my user line to edit [02:04] run from system menu dont unhide notting [02:04] can this have some relation with shadow? [02:41] leleobhz, I am not sure I follow you [03:42] whoever said ext didnt fragment should see this [03:42] B/dev/sda3: 255368/1181952 files (5.6% non-contiguous), 1769819/2359296 blocks [03:48] oops [03:49] it seems intrepid tools will tune an ext4 volume, but not mount it =( [03:54] pwnguin: it's ext4dev [03:54] oh yea [03:55] http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS8942465787.html <== that'[s cool [03:59] ashp: you had the bug where no outputs are displayed, right? [03:59] for audio, i mean [04:12] pwnguin, nobody should have said ext doesn't fragment. The fragmentation however is typically minimal, and has very little effect on performance except on very full, very old, or very used-in-exactly-the-right-deliberately-weird-way ext partitions [04:14] torrenting without pre-allocating space....while your hard drive is pretty full and it's a large torrent...that'd be "exactly the right weird way" [04:23] maco, well, that'd be the 'very full' :p [04:25] cwillu: well if its a very large torrent that will *result* in very full, thatd also count, i think === calc_ is now known as calc [04:38] oddly, things seem to have worked without touching fstab [04:52] !info mono [04:52] Package mono does not exist in jaunty [04:52] !info mono-mcs [04:52] mono-mcs (source: mono): Mono C# 1.0 compiler for CLI 1.1. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-0ubuntu3 (jaunty), package size 370 kB, installed size 1104 kB [04:52] :\ [04:53] !info rocketman [04:53] Package rocketman does not exist in jaunty [05:13] is sound broken for someone? [05:13] teethdood: no output device in your volume control? [05:13] pulseaudio -k && start-pulseaudio-x11 [05:13] maco: no output device yes [05:16] maco: thanks that works [05:16] its a race condition [05:16] bug 322374 [05:16] Launchpad bug 322374 in pulseaudio "[jaunty regression] Pulse Audio finds no card for output" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322374 [06:16] is there an option to convert ext3 to ext4? gparted doesn't show it [06:17] philip__: not a complete conversion, no [06:17] ext4 is extents based [06:17] you can use ext3 in a kind of hybrid mode, where it becomes thus unreadable by ext3 driver [06:17] existing files use the existing inode scheme [06:17] newer created files use the extents scheme [06:18] philip__: I caution against using ext4 [06:18] there's a data loss bug that bit me twice [06:18] it's not ready yet. [06:18] lucent, you were affected by that bug? ouch. [06:18] yeah [06:18] I have a 1TB volume formatted with ext4dev too [06:18] just kind of praying it never gets bit [06:19] :) [06:19] thanks for the warning [06:19] using root-on-ext4-on-LVM I got bit by the ext4 corruption bug very quickly [06:19] less than a week of regular daily use [06:20] I'm shy to help fix and diagnose such bugs, other simpler tasks I will not wait for others to fix and do the work myself [06:20] so...don't use it even at Jaunty final? [06:20] this ext4 scares the willies out of me [06:20] I would wait for 2.6.31 or 2.6.32 [06:21] IMO ext4 is nothing to get excited about, it will not be stable enough for production use before BTRFS gets adopted [06:21] I like the extents capabilities of ext4 for large external (infrequently used and non-mission-critical) volumes [06:21] I'll wait till 9.10 or 10.04, if things goes well [06:22] ha [06:22] more interesting to me are the encrypted home directories [06:22] that's the other thing I wanna ask [06:22] now that encrypted filenames are making their way into the mix, it will get very interesting quickly [06:23] home dir encryption, ready to roll or not? [06:23] ready, if you don't mind it blowing up and having to do some admin work later [06:24] it sure beats the piss out of having the whole block device encrypted, performance-wise [06:25] lucent, but I've read encryption has a rather big impact on performance [06:25] yes, it does x1250 [06:25] I've been using mainly truecrypt but it's a pain in the ass sometimes [06:25] moving encryption from block-device based to userspace based means that the kernel can cache things better [06:26] I used block-device (LVM on luks) encryption for at least a year [06:26] it was horridly slow, but unfalteringly secure [06:26] I'm going to do ext4 [06:26] I have faith in the kernel hax0rs [06:27] emet_: you have a blindness to my advice [06:27] that is okay [06:27] philip__: home dir encryption in Alpha3 does not encrypt filenames [06:27] :o [06:28] under truecrypt AES128, my external USB drive goes from 13MB/s to 2MB/s transfer rate [06:28] it really doesn't address the issue of hiding one's pornography [06:28] butterfs has awhile to go tho [06:28] USB? [06:29] philip__: if you're encrypting a USB flash drive, I suggest using luks, it's built in support for any Ubuntu Gnome desktop is superb [06:29] one of those pocket western digital drives [06:29] I can stick my encrypted USB thumbdrive in a LiveCD environment and there's a graphical prompt for the key [06:29] it's bliss [06:32] hey - I need to find answers about a Ruby / TCP/IP programming problem involving libpcap-ruby Pcap::TCPPacket#tcp_data_len != Pcap::TCPPacket#tcp_data.length [06:32] anybody into that stuff? [06:40] lucent, #ruby? :p [06:40] lucent, I'd expect one is the buffer size, and the other is the size of the actual data in the buffer, but I don't really know [06:42] cwillu: I'm tryin' [06:42] cwillu: the app I want to make will rip video from flash websites that stream via RTMP protocol [06:43] lucent, can't you already do that by grabbing the Flash* file from /tmp? [06:43] cwillu: with RTMP streams there's not always a /tmp file [06:44] cwillu: the problem I'm having (even before addressing that RTMP stream) is that packets are failing and being retransmitted [06:45] I need to go back and re-insert packets [06:45] but I don't know how @#%#@@$ big they are [06:46] maybe I'm over thinking this but, how do you take output from pcap and re-assemble TCP packets in-order and replace re-transmitted failure packets [06:48] rtmp already has the means to request a resend of a dropped packet, no? [06:48] tcp itself does [06:49] TCP is, so like I get sequence numbers with each packet [06:49] based on TCPPacket#tcp_seq + TCPPacket#tcp_data_len is the supposed next sequence number [06:49] if the sequence number isn't right, then I'm missing a packet [06:49] if the number is greater, then it's missed [06:50] if it's less, then it's a re-transmit [06:50] I kind of have a system in place that builds a hash lookup of sequence numbers and tells me if they're missing or not [06:50] so ... yeah [06:51] I just need some more interest from people who know what they're doing [06:52] still not sure why you're not just getting a retransmit then, a dropped packet should get a resend well below the application layer [06:53] cwillu: I'm hooking into pcap though [06:53] it's seeing packets as they come [06:53] yes, but it should be retransmitted regardless [06:53] not sure why you need to recheck it [06:54] it is retransmitted, and I'm getting that retransmitted packet :P [06:54] but it's not in order [06:54] 'cause it's retransmitted [06:54] but... [06:54] then... [06:54] * cwillu 's head explodes [06:55] rtmp has sequence numbers on the data, why do you need to retransmit it at all? you have the data, just, use it [06:55] I'm missing something :) [06:55] I get like A B D E F C G H I [06:55] you're the receiver, right? [06:55] yep [06:55] I'm just observing traffic on the wire [06:55] I'm not the RTMP client [09:45] guys we were discussing here yesterday data loss [09:45] and tests of disk were asked [09:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/111181/ [09:45] here is my smartctl -a === asraniel_ is now known as asraniel [10:52] hi [10:53] i've installed kde 4.2 on my amd64 jaunty box and i have a "little" problem... [10:53] is wished to know if anyone could help me with it [10:54] i don't get the title bars on the windows and i presume it is a problem with some package, but i don't know if it is so or if it is due to something else [10:55] tdb you need to refresh your window manage [10:55] something like kwin --replace [10:55] for kwin [10:55] or compiz --replace for compiz [10:56] I was not using compiz, then... I'll try the first thing [10:56] thx, BUGabundo [11:02] Firefox runs ok yet I cannot do an upgrade as apt telle=s me it cannot find the repos...I cannot ping ubuntu either ny name or ip number any help welcome [11:12] hi again... [11:12] already solved ;) [11:29] Hey, does anyone know if the current daily builds include kde 4.2.0, or is it still too soon for them to be adding that? [11:44] !info kdebase [11:44] kdebase (source: kdebase): base applications from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 68 kB, installed size 180 kB [11:44] cor^^^ [11:44] bah, silly CoreyOn [11:55] hi, why is there no new current iso for kubuntu? [12:12] kano no daily? [12:12] !daily [12:12] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [12:12] Kano: I see it there! [12:12] BUGabundo: nope [12:13] both daily are 2 days old [12:13] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ [12:13] hmm [12:13] yep [12:13] right [12:13] I was seeing alternate [12:13] 29-Jan-2009 05:18 [12:13] daily is from 27 [14:19] ok I just apt-get smartmontools, but why the heck does it depend on postfix packages?!? [14:43] Are we broken rightnow? [14:43] ahh well i'm rebooting and finding out i guess. [15:47] hm.. the new adept (comming from 8.04, never used 8.10) is really bad... any news about kpackagekit replacing it? [16:08] Friends I would like to invite you all to show up at Tokamak, a KDE summit to discuss the future of Plasma. from day 6 to 9, at Porto (ISEP) Portugal. http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Tokamak2 & http://tuxvermelho.blogspot.com/2009/01/tokamak-ii-no-porto.html [16:17] any news on a sound fix? [16:18] FFForever: what prob are you experiencing? [16:18] after yesterdays round of bug fixes after rebooting i lost sound =\ [16:19] someone else had this problem i advised them 2 wait for a new pulse audio update... but i dunno.... [16:19] im still waiting for nvidia issues to be sorted too [16:19] tuxxy__, what issue?, nvidia works fine 4 me =D [16:20] well no restricted drivers available and when I manually install the 1.80 driver and edit the xorg with ABI ignore it still not work [16:20] only if you have a new card [16:20] 8600GTS [16:21] mine words perfectly, tuxxy__ did u use the nvidia-xconfig as root? [16:21] i installed the driver manually 1.80 and run nvidia-xcoinfig yes [16:21] I got the error system is not using driver [16:21] dunno after i added the ignoreabi it worked for me =p [16:22] with which driver [16:22] is anyone having a problem using the repo? [16:22] the 1.80 =P [16:22] damn so you installed 1.80 and added ABI ignore true to xorg [16:23] There is no 1.80 nvidia driver. There is a 180 though :-) [16:23] wonder why it wont work for me maybe cos I am 64-bit [16:23] i am on 32 =P [16:23] i don't use x64 even though i could... [16:23] shame :p [16:23] tuxxy__, does apt-get update work 4 u? [16:23] ok so my question anyone got an nvidia card working on 64-bit Jaunty [16:23] i cant get updates it won't connect =\ [16:24] nvidia fine for me [16:24] sound too [16:24] well im not on Jaunt right now [16:24] tuxxy__: Yes, working for me right now [16:24] I do have the ABI ignore [16:24] BUGabundo1: driver 180 and did you add ABI Ignore to xorg [16:24] 64bits too [16:24] it stops @ 54% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.31)] [16:24] ok im gonna boot it give it another shit [16:24] oops [16:24] shot [16:24] heh brb [16:24] tuxxy__: I ddi [16:25] FFForever: choose another mirror [16:25] BUGabundo1, how? [16:25] FFForever: Sems slow today [16:25] AFTER doing an apt-get clean [16:25] System->Admin->Sources [16:25] waitwaitwait [16:25] You don't want to "apt-get clean" [16:26] Unless you genuinely want to delete all your downloaded .deb files [16:26] I would recommend [16:26] so old lists get clean [16:26] BUGabundo1: Are you sure that apt-get clean affects the lists _at all_? I believe it only relates to the packages [16:26] having several mirrors lists have cause me corruption of packages download in the past [16:27] ok do it manually then [16:27] LOLOL [16:27] sudo rm /var/cache/ something [16:27] * BUGabundo1 puts be warning in using sudo rm [16:27] s/be/big/ [16:27] ok guys im in Jaunty, restricted drivers says i have the 180 driver installed and activated yet I cant have effects and my 8600GTS fan is stuck on full speed heh [16:29] heres my xorg http://paste.ubuntu.com/111272/ [16:29] ... [16:29] run nvidia-xconfig [16:29] ur not using the nvidia driver.... [16:29] VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver line. [16:30] duh =P [16:30] add one? [16:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/111275/ that better? [16:32] should be =P [16:32] gimmie 1 min [16:32] ill post mine =D [16:33] hey thanks FFForever [16:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/111278/ [16:34] (i am on a laptop) [16:34] could I just copy paste the xorg from my Ibex installation [16:34] should work =P [16:34] but i dunno [16:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/111280/ [16:35]