[00:21] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1028 ubuntu/ (build/pkg-lists/netboot/arm/versatile.cfg debian/changelog):
[00:21] <CIA-3> debian-installer: Apparently nic-modules no longer exists on versatile, presumably
[00:21] <CIA-3> debian-installer: built-in. Make it optional.
[00:25] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1029 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu12
[00:58] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I am debugging ubiquity/accessibility, and have come to the realization that I'll likely have to do something console-kitish to get audio permissions right. I haven't 100% confirmed this yet, but its looking likely. What do I need to call console-kit wise to make this happen?
[00:58] <cjwatson> probably register a consolekit session at login
[00:58] <TheMuso> this is in only-ubiquity mode
[00:58] <TheMuso> ok
[00:58] <cjwatson> you could have a look at the openssh diff between Debian and Ubuntu
[00:59] <cjwatson> though it's more complicated than you'd want
[00:59] <TheMuso> I was thinking of looking at that actually.
[00:59] <cjwatson> maybe ck-launch-session
[00:59] <TheMuso> Ok that gives me a starting point at least.
[00:59] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[00:59] <cjwatson> note that that's a wrapper, you'd run an entire subprocess under it
[01:00] <cjwatson> alternatively you can send dbus messages to register the session
[01:00] <TheMuso> Ok.
[01:00] <cjwatson> your diagnosis is almost certainly right; consolekit is one thing ubiquity-dm doesn't do at the moment and probably needs to
[01:00] <cjwatson> oem-config-dm likewise
[01:00] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1030 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel.cfg debian/changelog):
[01:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: Disable armel ads subarchitecture. We don't have a kernel for it (not
[01:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: that Debian does either, but I don't want to support udev-less builds).
[01:20] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1031 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu13
[07:29] <NCommander> cjwatson, so, I looked at input modules, which only consists of usbhid and usbkbd, things not normally used on an ARM NAS ...
[07:40] <lool> cjwatson: Cool it seems you got debian-installer to build!
[07:41] <lool> NCommander: Did you see my qcontrol upload?
[07:41] <NCommander> No, I didn't.
[07:41]  * NCommander is not subscribed to changes
[07:41] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qcontrol/+bug/322311
[07:41] <NCommander> So we build the USB modules directly into the kernel?
[07:41] <lool> Erf I have a solid polygon drawn on my desktop
[07:42] <NCommander> lool, do you have an intel video card?
[07:42] <lool> I do
[07:42] <NCommander> Ugh
[07:42] <NCommander> Ok, I can confirm that bug
[07:42]  * NCommander had that happen to me
[10:49] <cjwatson> NCommander: input-modules> its contents vary; it is not limited to those modules
[10:49] <cjwatson> NCommander: for example, Debian's input-modules-2.6.26-1-orion5x-di_1.32_armel.udeb contains:
[10:49] <cjwatson> -rw-r--r-- root/root     14445 2009-01-12 10:23 ./lib/modules/2.6.26-1-orion5x/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko
[10:50] <cjwatson> -rw-r--r-- root/root      6246 2009-01-12 10:23 ./lib/modules/2.6.26-1-orion5x/kernel/drivers/input/keyboard/gpio_keys.ko
[10:50] <cjwatson> the package description just says "Support for various input methods" and that's about as specific as it gets
[10:51] <cjwatson> and indeed, as lool observed, gpio_keys is the one that qcontrol actually wants
[13:07] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r604 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
[13:07] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: Switch default mirror for armel and lpia to
[13:07] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/.
[13:09] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r605 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.27ubuntu2
[13:20] <CIA-3> apt-setup: cjwatson * r160 ubuntu/ (16 files in 8 dirs): Add Release files for jaunty.
[13:52] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r342 ubuntu/ (136 files in 12 dirs): merge from Debian 1.98
[13:57] <DogWater> cjwatson: did you get a chance to look at the hd partitioning bug?
[14:01] <cjwatson> which partitioning bug?
[14:01] <cjwatson> sorry I deal with a lot of bugs
[14:01] <cjwatson> (also on the phone right now)
[14:02] <DogWater> 321967
[14:15] <DogWater> cjwatson: alternative, if there is some preseed early_command string " " I can run to blow away the file systems, that would work too
[14:16] <cjwatson> I have not yet investigated that, sorry, but will
[14:16] <DogWater> so that the partitioner doesn't see that there is a LVM spanned onto two or more physical disks, etc. like parted or fdisk or something..
[14:16] <DogWater> thanks man
[14:24] <DogWater> hrm, so how can I have the mirror files for 8.10-i386/amd64 8.04i386,7.10i386 but not 8.04amd64 lol
[14:24] <DogWater> jeez
[14:24] <DogWater> gotta love it
[14:28] <DogWater> I wonder how that is even possible
[14:28] <DogWater> maybe i have a bad initrd for 8.04amd64
[14:43] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r343 ubuntu/kernel/tests/powerpc/rs64-iv.test: adjust powerpc/rs64-iv.test for Ubuntu kernels
[14:47] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r344 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog kernel/i386.sh): merge CentaurHauls fixes from trunk
[14:53] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r345 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog kernel/tests/i386/via-c7-Esther.test): merge r1687 from trunk (CentaurHauls test fixes)
[15:28] <CarlFK> d-i passwd/user-password-crypted password [MD5 hash]
[15:28] <CarlFK> is that the output of mkpasswd ?
[15:29] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r346 ubuntu/kernel/ (i386.sh tests/i386/oqo1.test): Transmeta should be fine with 586, just not 686
[15:30] <cjwatson> CarlFK: mkpasswd -m md5, yes
[15:31] <CarlFK> thanks
[15:31] <cjwatson> though actually I have a feeling that it should be sha-512 in jaunty
[15:55] <DogWater> cjwatson: howdy, does ubuntu have the 'auto' function in the installer like debian?
[15:58] <cjwatson> not yet, no
[15:59] <cjwatson> I have been meaning to sort out integrating it properly
[15:59] <cjwatson> it's not trivial since we've switched to console-setup in advance of Debian
[16:03] <DogWater> cjwatson: ah, it doesnt really seem to work anyway ;-)
[16:03] <DogWater> cjwatson at least i havent been able to get it to work
[16:04] <DogWater> it seems to simply ignore the line
[16:04] <DogWater> auto=whatever
[16:04] <DogWater> so its probably better
[16:04] <DogWater> too bad they dont have kickstart :D
[16:13] <DogWater> cjwatson: wait, is the auto command only available in 5? as far as you know? (sorry i know this has nothing to do with ubuntu)
[16:13] <cjwatson> yes
[16:13] <DogWater> ah jeesus
[16:14] <DogWater> i was trying to use it in etch
[16:14] <cjwatson> though I had to think for a moment for what "5" represented
[16:14] <DogWater> the documentation isnt really clear
[16:14] <cjwatson> Debian people tend to think in terms of codenames :)
[16:14] <cjwatson> hmm, well let me check
[16:14] <DogWater> right, sorry
[16:14] <DogWater> i guess i'll have to drop my preseed into their initrd
[16:14] <DogWater> hate dealing with cpio
[16:14] <DogWater> curses
[16:14] <cjwatson> hmm, apparently I am wrong
[16:14] <cjwatson> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-auto mentions it
[16:15] <cjwatson> it may be that it has fewer features in some way - I don't really know
[16:15] <DogWater> hm, i wish they had like a server channel or something the folks in #debian dont seem to know much about preseed, etc
[16:16] <cjwatson> #debian-boot is the relevant *developer* channel but do try to investigate things as much as you can for yourself before asking anything there
[16:22] <CarlFK> cjwatson: alt installer, got error, hit Alt-F2, see "Press Enter for BB" hit enter, see "Busy Box v1.10.2...." but never get a prompt.  typing is echoed to the screen, but nothing happens when I hit enter
[16:30] <cjwatson> CarlFK: no, I won't help if you show up on IRC, make a one-line bug report, and leave.
[16:38] <DogWater> oh the docs were using the wrong syntax, thats why it didnt work, ha ha
[16:52] <DogWater> woo got it to work almost! ;D
[18:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r587 trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
[18:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: Move most debconf-communicator handling into BaseFrontend, to make it
[18:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: easier to fetch configuration from debconf there.
[18:22] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r588 trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fetch the list of steps to be displayed from debconf (oem-config/steps).
[19:06] <DogWater> cjwatson: thank you for working so hard on kickstart, after dealing with d-i today im ready to hang myself, in the docs it says to specify the mirror it is d-i mirror/http/hostname but its really d-i mirror/http/mirror string wth
[19:09] <cjwatson> err, that means something different
[19:09] <cjwatson> I think you forgot to say 'd-i mirror/country string manual'
[19:10] <cjwatson> if you say that then it *is* mirror/http/hostname; mirror/http/mirror is for interactive use and probably not what you want
[19:11] <cjwatson> (mirror/http/mirror represents the prefilled list of plausible mirrors that you get in expert mode; it's in theory preseedable but not really intended for that)
[19:17] <DogWater> cjwatson: i put 'US' in for d-i mirror/country string manual why would anyone put 'manual' for that, thats not exactly intuitive
[19:17] <cjwatson> because it's what's documented in the installation guide for when you're choosing your hostname manually?
[19:17] <cjwatson> you *really* need to follow the installation guide when preseeding; you can't guess, I'm afraid
[19:18] <DogWater> heh, i actually went from the example that is linked from the manual
[19:18] <cjwatson> I'm looking at the source from which the example file is generated at the moment
[19:18] <cjwatson> d-i mirror/country string manual
[19:18] <cjwatson> d-i mirror/http/hostname string &archive-mirror;
[19:18] <cjwatson> d-i mirror/http/directory string /ubuntu
[19:18] <cjwatson> d-i mirror/http/proxy string
[19:18] <cjwatson> ("&archive-mirror;" gets substituted along the way)
[19:20] <DogWater> http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt note the : d-i mirror/country string enter information manually
[19:20] <DogWater> i assumed it was indicating that i needed to replace 'enter information manually' with an actual string
[19:20] <cjwatson> please don't use the Debian guide for Ubuntu installations
[19:21] <cjwatson> the Ubuntu guide is on help.ubuntu.com
[19:21] <DogWater> I'm not thats why i thanked you for ubuntu's kickstart system now that i've moved along to working on debian
[19:21] <cjwatson> oh
[19:21] <cjwatson> well, in etch that string was literally "enter information manually" - it usually says if you need to fill something in
[19:21] <cjwatson> (says in a different way, that is)
[19:22] <cjwatson> in lenny and in recent Ubuntu releases I changed it to just "manual" because the spaces were inconvenient for other reasons
[19:22] <cjwatson> but just type what it says - doesn't pay to be clever ;-)
[19:22] <DogWater> so i should change country to enter information manually remove mirror and add back hostname?
[19:22] <DogWater> yarr
[19:22] <cjwatson> yes
[19:23] <DogWater> your awesome 'confirm removal of LVM' thing doesnt seem to work in their system either, at least not yet, im going to have to use debconf to figure out how to select it probably
[19:23] <cjwatson> it was different in etch; the manual documents it
[19:23] <cjwatson> though I think the semantics might have been slightly different
[19:23] <cjwatson> d-i partman-auto/purge_lvm_from_device boolean true
[19:24] <cjwatson> d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true
[19:24] <DogWater> yea  i left those in the example
[19:24] <DogWater> still asks, lol
[19:24] <cjwatson> oh well, can't help you :)
[19:24] <DogWater> its cool i'll just use the debconf-get thing to figure it out like i did the http/mirror thing
[19:25] <cjwatson> or DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer on the kernel command line, and look at tty4 to see what question it's asking with INPUT
[19:25] <DogWater> i can prolly use cdebconf/questions.dat to find it also
[19:26] <DogWater> ah, i put it at level 5
[19:26] <DogWater> i'll try that first as it seems to probably be faster
[19:26] <cjwatson> "developer" is equivalent to 5, except that it works for debconf in the installed system too
[19:26] <cjwatson> if you already have DEBCONF_DEBUG=5, then just look at tty4
[19:26] <DogWater> oh, oddly enough '5' doesnt make it do much of anything in tty4
[19:27] <cjwatson> are you sure you typed it correctly? capitalisation is important
[19:27] <DogWater> yes, i copied/pasted it from the manual
[19:28] <cjwatson> you might need to look at the end of /var/log/syslog in case it scrolled off tty4
[19:28] <DogWater> with as much trouble as i've had with deb/ub automation im assuming fbsd is going to suck the worst
[19:29] <DogWater> with 7 i had to make my own 70mb netboot image ;-)
[19:29] <DogWater> so that should be fun
[19:33] <DogWater> cjwatson: anyway the last thing it says is menu item partman-base selected
[19:33] <DogWater> then a bunch of just random fs debug information
[19:35] <DogWater> anyway i'll just look in questions and see if i can find anything
[19:35] <DogWater> thanks for all the help man
[21:28] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r347 ubuntu/kernel/i386.sh: all K7 systems should be able to cope with at least 586
[21:30] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r348 ubuntu/kernel/tests/i386/ (amd-k7-old.test pentium-4M-bigmem.test): adjust more new tests for Ubuntu kernels
[21:32] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r349 ubuntu/kernel/tests/i386/via-c7-Esther.test: Esther CPUs can cope with 686-ish images like server and xen
[21:35] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r350 ubuntu/kernel/tests/i386/ (6 files): 686 -> 686-may-bigmem for PAE-capable CPUs
[22:05] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r606 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control):
[22:05] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: Fix build-dependencies broken in merge of 2.27, including restoring the
[22:05] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: dependency on isoquery so that we can build a proper list of countries
[22:05] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: (LP: #321225).
[22:08] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r607 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.27ubuntu3
[22:18] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r351 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.98ubuntu1