[09:32] <bryce> troubleshooting guide for blank/black screen issues --- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[12:00] <tseliot> tjaalton: just FYI nvidia driver 180.27 supports the new X ABI :-)
[12:18] <tjaalton> tseliot: wow, that was fast
[12:18] <tseliot> tjaalton: now switching between windows is fast and doesn't make sound choppy
[12:19] <tseliot> :-)
[12:22] <tjaalton> great
[12:23] <tjaalton> phoronix failed to notice the support for the new abi
[13:10] <tseliot> well, it wasn't in the changelog
[13:43] <tjaalton> ok
[13:43] <jcristau> tjaalton: you expected him to do a tiny bit of research? :)
[13:49] <tjaalton> jcristau: yeah, I have such high hopes
[13:54] <tseliot> :-P
[14:29] <johanbr> Hmm. The new synaptics driver broke vertical scrolling for me.
[14:39] <tjaalton> nice to know
[14:54] <tseliot> the synaptics driver is on my todo list. I'll start working on it after I'm done with nvidia
[14:56] <johanbr> Okay, found the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/320632
[14:59] <tseliot> johanbr: can you attach the output of this command in the report? xinput list-props name_of_your_synaptic_device
[15:00] <tseliot> maybe you're using an AlpsPS device
[15:00] <jcristau> i'm using an alps, and edge scrolling is a lot harder to use on 0.99.3 than previously, too..
[15:02] <tseliot> jcristau: I forgot to fix it for ALPS. Can you attach the output of that command to the report, please?
[15:04] <jcristau> well. i want to get it fixed upstream eventually, just haven't had time to look into it yet..
[15:07] <johanbr> tseliot: It is an alps device. I think the edge is misdetected.
[15:07] <tseliot> ok
[15:07] <tseliot> jcristau: I would like to provide upstream with some of my patches
[15:07] <johanbr> I managed to get edge scrolling back with xinput, but completely broke normal mouse pointer movement. :)
[15:08] <johanbr> Is there an xinput command to reset the properties?
[15:09] <jcristau> tseliot: paste.debian.net/27180/ (this is on debian, so unpatched 0.99.3)
[15:10] <tseliot> jcristau: ok, thanks
[15:16] <johanbr> input properties for my touchpad: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111247/
[15:18] <johanbr> Doing 'xinput set-int-prop 6 "Synaptics Edges" 32 40 0 882 0' enables edge scrolling, but completely disables pointer movement. Is this expected?
[15:35] <tseliot> johanbr: please add all the information to the bug report
[15:36] <johanbr> alright
[17:17] <tjaalton> tseliot: the gui mechanism for dontzap meant the xorg.conf editor AIUI..
[17:17] <tjaalton> and the poll in ubuntuforums is not authoritative..
[17:18] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, I know but it's too late for me to rewrite its UI
[17:18] <tseliot> and we need a solution
[17:18] <tseliot> i.e. a compromise
[17:18] <tjaalton> alt+sysrq+k
[17:18] <tseliot> go tell users ;)
[17:19] <tjaalton> normal users don't need that, they have the power button
[17:19] <tseliot> or pull the plug
[18:53] <tjaalton> sigh, kernel compile filled my /home
[18:56] <tjaalton> maybe I should reinstall
[19:07] <tjaalton> heh, I couldn't even empty my trash, since it tries to touch some files which obviously failed
[20:50] <tjaalton> great, the patch from jesse helped.. no more temporary freezes with intel
[21:02] <superm1> tjaalton, were those the same temporary freezes related to the xrandr event with monitors changed all the time, or *another* set of freezes that were happening?
[21:03] <tjaalton> superm1: another.. related to vblank
[21:04] <superm1> tjaalton, yippee then
[21:04] <tjaalton> the randr-related problems are caused by gnome AIUI
[21:04] <tjaalton> and are WIP
[21:05] <tjaalton> probably also the reason why my session startup seems to idle for 5-10s before getting up
[21:05] <tjaalton> no disk activity during that time
[21:28] <maco> does the intel driver in jaunty have KMS yet?
[21:29] <tjaalton> no
[21:30] <tjaalton> well, the kernel doesn't
[21:30] <tjaalton> and won't
[21:31] <maco> ok
[21:31] <maco> a friend is trying to figure out why i have solid black (with no prompt) tty's with i965
[21:32] <tjaalton> also without usplash?
[21:32] <maco> have to test that still
[21:33] <maco> lack of working ttys isnt constant for me. its frequent, but occasionally (like right now) ttys do work, so i guess id have to turn off usplash for about 2 weeks to test it
[21:36] <tjaalton> sometimes that happens here too
[21:41] <bryce> maco, is it just the tty's that are blank, or your X session too?
[21:42] <maco> usually just the tty's. sometimes i cant bring X back afte trying to VT switch
[21:53] <bryce> ok
[21:54] <bryce> I'm not sure how to debug the tty breakage issue, but that's something I've looked at before.  I need to understand why that particular kind of bug comes up
[21:54] <bryce> I'm not entirely sure whether it is an X bug, or kernel, or what, but it's common enough we ought to have some troubleshooting guidelines for it
[21:54] <maco> he said that in cases where it happens while X is locked, it's expected
[21:55] <maco> in cases where it happens while X is working perfectly fine...well, he wants me to try git master for a little while and see if VT switching works properly and consistently
[21:57] <bryce> maco: ok interesting.  who is 'he'?  jesse barnes?
[21:57] <maco> bgamari
[21:57] <maco> he's in #ubuntu
[21:57] <bryce> ah ok, I don't know him, but sounds like decent advice
[21:58] <maco> we go to school together, and it turns out he works on the i965 drivers
[21:58] <bryce> ahh kewl
[22:20] <ogra> hmm, i have a /sys/class/input/input0 and input1 device for mouse and kbd but no /dev/input/eventX for either of them ... doesnt hal use sysfs for determining the devices ? (i have no input in X )
[22:24] <ogra> hmm, ok, ignore me, i just found CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV is missing in our arm qemu kernel ...