[00:18] apachelogger: ping, following up on the marketing idea we had ages ago, what would you say if we started a KDE4 program of the day (well, start with week and then increase the frequency)? [00:19] ryanakca: or feature of the day. it seems that kde.org covers the programs basics pretty well. [00:19] apachelogger: Not that many end users read the planet (or so I'm told), but it would surely help increase awareness of what we have to offer [00:20] Hobbsee: *nod*. Along the lines of tip of the day as seen when an app is first run, or something else? [00:21] ryanakca: hrm. not sure. [00:21] * Hobbsee hasn't read the tips of the day in ages. [00:21] * Hobbsee has a kubuntu iso burnt now, though :) [00:21] Good good, comming back to the light side? :) [00:21] perhaps [00:21] we'll see [00:26] don't... run from the dark side [00:28] heh [00:28] 4.2 looks a lot nicer. [00:29] although using compiz with it sounds like a good idea. [00:30] What does compiz have that you need? [00:30] negate, for one [00:31] does kde support dragging and dropping of windows on the taskbar to reorder them yet? [00:31] Thats flipping the colours to negatizes I'm pretty sure kwin has that [00:31] everything else is replicated, i think [00:31] Yes [00:31] oh, good [00:31] \o/ [00:31] canonical seriously needs to do something about the i18n [00:31] (both per-window negation and full negation [00:32] I don't know I've never used it but I recall a video with it [00:32] ahhh [00:32] * Hobbsee --> out [00:39] DaSkreech: need to run. thanks for the help. [00:39] DexterF: Works reasonably now? [00:39] well, yes, kde itself works, got some issues that arose from transition, like: what on eart happened to xorg.conf [00:40] back in 1999 I pretty much wrote it manually now there's not even a thing I can do and the vm keeps starting in the wrong res [00:40] Hobbsee: It's "Invert" in kwin config. First option under all effects. You can do per window and full desktop. [00:41] tho I gues that's rather an X thing. what is a kubuntu thing perhaps is that when I logout from KDE I get a black screen, kdm won't come back [00:43] and I can't find where to turn of system sounds and new themes aren't immediately applied. not at all to be precise. but I'll look into that tomorrow rather. [00:45] ok [00:46] bye [03:50] grumble computer isnt responding correctly [03:50] this sucks [03:51] heh [03:53] main laptop for work and once again i am away from home with disks [03:55] doh [03:56] stupid dell [03:56] :) [03:58] if i boot a live ubuntu cd can i run an fsck/repair of an ntfs partition? [03:59] Yes [03:59] With limited results [03:59] 3/4 of the time it will mark a bunch of stuff as dirty and then get Windows to fix it on next boot [04:00] well thats better then whats happening now [04:10] hrmm gettting abn error that fsck.ntfs cannot be found [04:26] wow this tottally sucks [04:27] totally [05:13] wow application that should launch at startup just opened up, 15 minutes after boot on my main laptop, still won't reboot all the way [05:13] going to have to speend the ewwekend rebuilding :( [05:15] Oh wow that sucks [05:15] its the 2nd time in under two months, wonder if i can blame dell somehow for a replacement? [05:30] OK, so the xorg hack blog post didn't draw a lot of comments. [05:30] I guess I'm not being controversial enough. [05:30] because they didn't understand it? [05:36] You want vitrol ? [05:47] Maybe it's the whole CoC thing. People are just sooooo nice around here. [05:47] I wanted more than two comments. [05:47] I heated discussion like I had with the Compiz upstream on IRC yesterday would have been nice. [05:49] Well also I think that people read packaging was uploaded by and gloss over in favour for new episodes of Lost pretty much instantly [05:50] They have never packaged something they know nobody who has packaged something and they never intend to befriend a packager [05:50] It's just not going to strike them much less mean enough to them to make any comments [05:51] * a|wen wonders what the subject are? [05:56] One was X not having alt+ctrl+backspace [05:56] The other was Compiz hacks causing video garbage [05:57] oh [05:59] do we know what we do in kubuntu about ctrl+alt+backspace ? ... i know we will have an option for it, but what about defaults? [06:08] Default is off. We have a gui to turn it back on. [06:08] where is the ppa for quassel? [06:08] Looks like Gnome will not have a GUI. [06:08] jjesse-dell9: Intrepid? [06:08] yes sir [06:09] jjesse-dell9: It's in mine, ~kitterman [06:09] is it ~scottk in lp [06:09] ah [06:09] No. That's someone entirely different. [06:09] entirerly different [06:09] yeah, the gnome gui is sone, but will probably not be accepted [06:10] with the update in in the ppa for kde 4.2 kontact no longer crashes on my inbox [06:10] yay [06:10] Yeah. My next attempt at controversy will be to poke fun at this. [06:10] People are arguing that it's bad to have alt+ctrl+backspace and it's bad to have a GUI to turn it on [06:12] jjesse-dell9: they finally got around to fix that bug (i was hit too) [06:14] but there does seem to be a point in alt+sysrq+k to be better ... we just need people to be used to that instead [06:18] * a|wen has never hit ctrl+alt+backspace by accident, and i'm almost always on a laptop [06:18] ScottK: when i try to run quassel after installing from the launcher i get notified that "service '/usr/share/applications/quasse.desktop' is malfformatted [06:19] Crap. [06:19] Note that lack of an L there. [06:19] I assume you copied and pasted? [06:19] jjesse-dell9: ^^ [06:19] hold on did i type it right [06:20] no i didnt type that right [06:20] Whew [06:20] OK. KDE 4.1 or 4.2? [06:20] it is service /usr/share/applications/quassel.desktop is malformatted [06:20] 4.2 (thats what in the ppa correct?) [06:21] runs fine otherwise [06:22] Weird. I don't even have the file. [06:23] * ScottK looks at the package [06:24] Lost him ... [06:28] jjesse-dell9: It should be in /usr/share/applications/kde4/ [06:29] ScottK: there is a file there [06:30] Dunno why you have the on in /usr/share/applications [06:30] Not sure how I just departed the channel either. [06:31] hrmm i dont have one there trying to figure it out [06:31] :-) [06:31] i'll look in the morning as it is bedtime [06:32] desktop-file-validate says it's fine. [06:33] * ScottK doesn't know what to say. [06:34] hrm now it works fine [06:34] * jjesse-dell9 beds [06:35] Great. [06:35] Good night. [07:41] it is definately a long discussion on that vcs-import about dontzap === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [08:18] ooh, qt 4.5 snapshot built in 1h 30min, debug build with demos + examples. icecc is my new bestest friend [08:19] that's good speed [08:20] much better than I expected [08:21] * a|wen had building take forever [08:22] s/had/has/ [08:22] it was only with 2 noes too, this laptop and a 5year old desktop :) [08:22] (both single-core) with make -j5 [08:22] uhh, not bad then [08:23] * a|wen misses his dual-core laptop [08:53] hey guys, I need some advice on MP3 patenting with Kubuntu [08:53] if a commercial company were to use Kubuntu on their hardware [08:53] and they need MP3 support [08:53] preferrably with xinelib [08:53] what would they need to do to make it legal? [09:17] markey: I guess purchase a license for the codec [09:18] I think a company needs a license for it anyway, since they are selling it [09:18] ok I assumed so [09:18] but I would ne precise information [09:19] who should I contact? [09:19] I need the exact pricing, etc [09:19] everything [09:19] s/ne/need [09:20] do I have to talk to canonical, or to thompson, or who? :) [09:20] canonical don't license it [09:21] so you're saying that this issue is between this company I represent and the MP3 patent holder? [09:21] canonical is involved in no way? [09:21] I thought they might be able to offer something [09:21] like SUSE does, iirc [09:21] well, there are probably vendors that can sell licenses. rather than the patent holder [09:21] I see [09:22] you can buy the Fluendo code pack from canonical's shop, but I don't see anything for commercial licenses [09:23] fluendo means gstreamer, which currently means crappy phonon backend [09:23] that's one problem [09:23] is why I prefer xinelib currently [09:23] until the gstreamer backend issues are solved [09:23] which may or may not be the case with KDE 4.2 [09:24] I need 100% reliability [09:24] crappiness is not an option ;) [09:25] we offer libxine1-ffmpeg, but we don't ship it by default. we get the application that wants to play the mp3 to ask the user if they want to install the codec (explaining the reasons we don't ship it by default) and then install it for them [09:25] yes, I know that [09:25] so we don't do anything special with mp3 support, other than offer a semi-automatic way to get it [09:26] (which is currently not working in kubuntu ;) [09:26] the company I represent would need to _ship_ a working MP3 solution on their hardware [09:26] with kubuntu [09:26] and Phonon [09:26] (all KDE based) [09:27] Hi! Can someone confirm https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179947 ? [09:27] KDE bug 179947 in http "kio_http always pops up proxy auth dialog" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:28] then it'd be between the company and a vendor (ianal) [09:28] same here: inanal ;) [09:28] so I need an expert to talk to [09:43] hi markey [09:44] hi [10:09] Hi there. I'm having a problem that it seems others have. When I minimize windows after some use, they look somewhat "scrambed". A redraw problem of some kind. Is it specific to Intel or a more widespread problem? [10:10] "scrambled" would make more sense I imagine. [10:43] astromme: sweet, thanks! [11:02] Does anybody know why kde-pim packages still aren't up to 4.2.0 release in amd64? [11:03] both crested and yellow are idle, and have no jobs in queue? [11:04] markey: I believe you're looking for http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=19&osCsid=afcd1ed3b1b70182b850e5767b366981 [11:06] mrvanes: kdepimlibs? [11:06] mrvanes: and in which release? [11:07] Hobbsee: thanks, but as I explained above, Fluendo isn't currently an option for me [11:08] it might be, if Phonon-GStreamer is fixed [11:08] which has yet to be seen [11:08] the reports we get are horrible [11:09] markey: oh, that's a nuisance. You could try contacting them, asking if they could provide other bits, too. [11:09] and I'm personally not a big fan of gstreamer, for one reason or another [11:09] but meh, if it works.. [11:09] well if ;) [11:09] bah. stdin mentioned what I said anyway. I missed that, while reading [11:09] heh [11:09] np [11:10] markey: talk to jcastro - he will be able to send you to the right person [11:10] ah ok, thanks :) [11:10] Hobbsee: the complete kdepim suite is still at 4.1.96, except kdepim meta package [11:11] Jaunty btw [11:11] oh, there we go. [11:11] * Hobbsee has a look, now that enough info has been provided to start looking [11:12] "Jorge Fernando "Locomotora" Castro (Spanish: locomotive), (born August 18, 1967 in Caleta Olivia, Santa Cruz province) is an Argentine boxer and former Middleweight champion of the world, who is best known for his second defense of the title against John David Jackson in 1994." [11:12] ok, I guess that's another jorge ;) [11:13] found the right one [11:13] hrm. [11:15] mrvanes: which mirror are you using? [11:15] nl [11:15] ah [11:15] it's probably not resynced yet. [11:16] it'll come through, it's on the main archive now. [11:16] Wow... but it's been a couple of _days_ [11:16] ok, thx for looking! [11:16] it was queued a couple of days ago [11:16] looks like amd64 had a massive backlog [11:16] it only finished building 2 hours ago [11:16] heard THAT before on this channel ;) [11:16] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu3/+build/850290 [11:16] Ok... clear [11:17] anyone using quassel? [11:18] Never mind... found it... [11:42] If jon_ from about an hour and a half ago comes back and asks about the garbage on the screen, please point him at http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/bug_254468_momentary_video_gar.html [11:42] * ScottK goes back to bed ... [11:50] uh, konqueror in kde4.2 actually beats firefox 3.0.5 in the acid3 test [12:44] ScottK: is that why my background(=desktop+plasmoids on it) won't get painted again unless i click on it? (happens for windows sometimes too, buttons get painted again as i focus them). or is this why icons in systray look like noise on the screen and are replaces with the real icon after a while? [12:45] s/replaces/replaced/ === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [12:56] Arby: ooh, look what I got working! http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/s-c-p-k2.png [13:05] Riddell: woohoo :) [13:05] I could never figure out how the gnoem version worked for that part [13:05] *gnome [13:05] btw: how can i make the print dialog remember the last settings? [13:05] Arby: well it does fancy things to create the GUI on the fly [13:05] yeah, black magic :) [13:06] Arby: the Profiles page doesn't seem to exist in the Gnome version now, I guess I can just delete that tab [13:06] fair enough [13:06] Riddell: did you get anywhere with the thread wierdness in kcm? [13:07] last I saw Sime suggested switching to processes rather than threads [13:07] Arby: indeed, I guess we'd need to get rid of the threads to get it into a kcm [13:08] *shudder* that sounds quite hard [13:08] mm, yes [13:08] I might have a play this weekend if I get time [13:08] but we might have to postpone that to jaunty +1 [13:09] Arby: it might turn out to be trivial for all I know, possibly it can just do whatever the thread does but we add a few QApplication.processEvents() around the place to keep the UI responsive [13:09] on the plus side it's reassuring to know that it wasn't just me :) [13:10] Riddell: I'll have a poke at it if you don't get there first [13:10] Arby: where should I put my branch? [13:10] in kubuntu-members? [13:10] Riddell: is that the standalone version? if yes then k-members [13:10] yes [13:11] I kept meaning to move mine and never did [13:11] then at some point I guess we have to move it upstream [13:12] Riddell: what's the best way to do that ^^? [13:12] make small batches from bzr and commit those upstream [13:12] *patches [13:12] bzr diff -rX..Y blah [13:12] etc [13:13] bzr push [13:13] can bzr push to svn? [13:13] didn't know that [13:14] not easily, it would probably involve using bzrsvn and starting with a bzr branch from svn [13:14] I'd just put it all into svn and point to the bzr branch for people who want the history [13:14] who wants a cookie? [13:14] me [13:14] Riddell: fair enough [13:14] apachelogger: got any ginger cookies? [13:14] * a|wen waves to apachelogger [13:15] Riddell: nope :| [13:15] I can't work out how to delete a tab from a QTabWidget in qtdesigner [13:16] a|wen: marble needs a TryExec [13:16] patched + upstream [13:16] now that libmarble depends on -data there is telling if the binary is really installed [13:16] a|wen: marble.desktop that is [13:16] oh Arby, you need to learn to add layouts to your widgets :) [13:17] <3 layouts [13:17] I think that is one of the first things you learn in any Qt book :P [13:17] marble looks cool :) [13:17] a|wen: not if the bin is not installed and that darn entry in my menu is suggesting it is [13:18] nope :P [13:18] uh, mplayer ftbfs during build... not good [13:18] uninteresting :P [13:18] a|wen: go fix marble [13:18] hm [13:19] do we have it packaged? [13:19] a|wen: kdeedu [13:20] and fix it upstream for 4.3 and 4.2.1 [13:20] much more important actually [13:20] Riddell: I know [13:20] also ... can someone please tell these gnome rabbits that I don't care whether their X config allows turning ctrl+alt+bkspace off and that they shall pretty please stop flooding my inbox? [13:20] I can never make the layouts behave how I want [13:21] * a|wen has no upstream powers ... except filing a bug ;) [13:21] a|wen: Riddell does [13:22] what's wrong with marble? [13:22] Riddell: libmarble needs -data, -data contains marble.desktop, marble bin is in marble, making marble.desktop useless ... so marble.desktop needs a TryExec [13:23] or the file needs to be moved to marble package ... but from my point of view any application desktop file should have a tryexec anyway [13:24] or both [13:24] don't we normally ship executables + related .desktop in same package? [13:24] that depends on what you define as normal [13:25] a|wen: talk to debian if they want to move the desktop file [13:25] if so, all the better, but the file needs a tryexec [13:29] apachelogger: i'll look at it and commit to bzr later ... and try to talk to the debian people [13:29] * a|wen goes to have dinner [13:40] apachelogger: why are you getting mail? [13:41] prolly a mailing list I don't subscribe to [13:43] JontheEchidna: You're not core-dev. It's a bzr branch that every core-dev is getting. [13:43] aaah [13:56] JontheEchidna: My last blog post links to the discussion. See p.u.c. [13:57] p = planet [13:57] well, I sorta take the same position as apachelogger, I dun care :P [13:58] The part I care about is the process issue. We had an agreement at UDS, an approved spec, someone does the code, and then it's all overturned. [14:00] Tonio_: Still no go with wep wireless here. I've tried everything to make it work. only time it works is with knetworkmanager hanging around, and thats just due to dbus info [14:06] ScottK: Hmm, that is a bit concerning [14:15] * a|wen has got cookies :) [14:35] We got kdelibs working without arts, right? [14:44] ScottK: yeah [14:45] There's someone over in #debian-qt-kde trying to do that and failing so far. Dunno if it's be worthwhile to offer help. [14:45] the only question is how much we broke ... eg. basket needs libartskde [14:46] Right, well he's just on getting kdelibs to compile. [14:46] ScottK: you can see what apachelogger did ... it's one of the last uploads [14:47] I was rather hoping someone else would. [14:47] I've got a meeting here in a few minutes. [14:47] it's on the debian irc, right? [14:49] yeah. OFTC [14:49] okay ... i've joined now [14:50] i'll keep an eye out if someone actually says anything [14:51] anyone know how to use app-install-data package? I'm trying to add app only view to kpackagekit and I believe it would use app-install-data for this. [14:51] rgreening: adept is probably a good reference [14:52] yeah, that's what I am looking at... [14:53] packagedata.h and applicationswidget.h look interesting [14:56] apachelogger: regarding the marble issue ... why don't marble-data depend on marble? can marble-data be used by itself in any case? [14:59] Riddell: Release team meeting in 1 minute.... [14:59] whee [15:01] apachelogger: and if we are going to add tryexec, we should do it for all of them ... seems pretty consistent [15:02] on my system 3 out of 82 files in the folder with marble.desktop has a tryexec :/ [15:04] How's your sed? [15:04] sed is teh shiz [15:05] sed -i 's/[search]/[replace]/g' [filelist [15:06] did i see someone passing around cookies? [15:06] * seele wants an almond cookie [15:07] * a|wen only got chocolate and custard cream [15:07] tried looking for add flavours in the shop... but there wasn't any [15:08] a|wen: there are more application desktop files in that package? [15:09] apachelogger: don't know about in that particular package ... [15:09] a|wen: also: no -data package depends a binary package ... mostly because the relation all to any is invalid ;-) [15:09] or lets say, not very wise [15:09] a|wen: so, by all of them you meant all of KDE? [15:10] yeah... or what i have installed [15:10] good fun with that :P [15:10] a|wen: that also ough to be discussed on kde-devel for starts [15:10] many of the kde packages have same structure (eg. [program] and [program]-date) ... where [program] holds binary and [program]-data holds .desktop [15:10] ScottK: hmm, I guess I'm ment to be giving a report [15:11] I'm not sure if the 'desktop' person is mean to report Kubuntu and you're there as a release person or not. [15:11] a|wen: well, I think only debian based distros split out the data, so that is hardly a good reason to add tryexec everywhere :P [15:11] oh [15:11] vacation! :P [15:11] In the past I've given Kubuntu reports when you weren't around. [15:12] apachelogger: seems as though they are meant not to be there ... so we + debian ought to add tryexec ourselves i think [15:13] I know this isn't exactly directly related to this channel's topic, but perhaps one of you could prod someone to get bug 112673 fixed. That page is in dire need of an update. [15:13] Launchpad bug 112673 in ubuntu-website "What's Ubuntu? >> Kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112673 [15:13] a|wen: well, it does not hurt to have them there ... there is just no rationale that applies to non-debian distros or source installations, so adding it to all applications in KDE would be a rather pointless part [15:14] a|wen: which is why I would just add it to those where it is necessary for us and debian, which is right now marble [15:15] apachelogger: okay ... and a few others just in kdeedu [15:15] Pici: like why does that not just forward to kubuntu.org? [15:16] * apachelogger finds it inefficient to maintain 2 versions, where our team only got direct access to one anyway [15:16] a|wen: like? [15:16] apachelogger: That would work too [15:16] a|wen: marble is really only a problem because of libmarble [15:17] a|wen: being able to install -data packages without bins is just fine most of the time ... but if a library depends on the -data package, or if the -data package contains desktop files for more than one binary there should at least be proper tryexec in place [15:17] apachelogger: ahh, i see your point [15:18] * apachelogger just noticed that he didn't eat anything yet, which explains why he is cold [15:18] Pici: care to add a comment about that? [15:22] apachelogger: I'll type up something to that effect. [15:22] seele: I'm looking at kpackagekit right now. Do you have an idea on what you'd like to see? [15:23] seele: The left panel are module based (i.e. Software Management, Software Updates, Settings). I can probably make a new one called Add/Remove Programs... though I am unsure about this. [15:24] Pici: thx [15:24] seele: Software Management is Add/Remove .. so maybe it needs to be tweaked... [15:26] rgreening: we can figure out the label, the important part is getting a page that has a list of applications instead of packages [15:26] rgreening: then there are a few tweaks to search, but i think the list of applications should come first [15:26] Riddell: What Kubuntu parts for the Dx stuff? [15:27] ScottK: no idea [15:27] rickspencer3: I didn't speak up in the release meeting because I'm not there as a Kubuntu person, but as motu-release, but this is most unwelcome news. [15:27] seele: ok. I'll see what I can cobble together. My C++ is a bit rusty, but the kpackagekit code seems very well written. [15:28] ScottK: having people develop for Kubuntu should be welcome news [15:28] Riddell: Having their crap notification stuff inserted in a way that totally bypasses the community is not. [15:28] seele: if you want to mock up a pic of the layout you'd like ot see, I'll make the code changes and a patch [15:29] we can hardy comment on it before we've seen it [15:29] ScottK: it is not going to "bypass" that community [15:29] rickspencer3: So far it has. [15:29] ScottK: no code has been committed to kubuntu [15:29] seele: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111734/ <-- Release team meeting. [15:29] I have to focus on the release meeting, so let's talk later [15:29] but seriously, no one is planning to force anyone to do anything [15:30] We can talk later. [15:31] hrmph... [15:32] I would think Riddell would be voice #1 for Kubuntu and would be involved with any of those discussions from the start so as to hae the community ear. [15:34] i would rather think that changing how notificaions work should be done upstream ... [15:34] if it is to be changed [15:35] a|wen: I agree. [15:37] I wonder if anyone looking at notifications is using >= KDE4.1.96.. the notifications are slick and have the unified drop box already (for ongoing things like downloads). [15:38] yeah, they are definitely nice in kde 4.2 [15:39] the 4.2 notifications are surprisingly close to how they designed the Ubuntu Desktop stuff from an artistic view [15:40] yeah, so let's just say it works and move on :) [15:44] ScottK: so the Kvirc package seems to be ok.. working icons and all now (wasn't in first one I sent). [15:45] Excellent. [15:45] ScottK: are you able to test under Gnome (or know someone who can). to test the Gnome integration [15:45] If you want another Universe one, you might look at Krusader and see if we should update our snapshot of that. [15:45] rgreening: No Gnome here. [15:47] Could someone look at bug 312880 please? I'm not sure what project I should change it to. [15:47] Launchpad bug 312880 in kubuntu-website "Problem in KDE 4.2 Beta 2 installation instructions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/312880 === mbiebl_ is now known as mbiebl [15:48] apachelogger: after some grepping we need to look at adding tryexec to .desktop files marble-data and kdebase-{runtime,workspace}-data [15:49] ryanakca: seems invalid to me [15:50] ryanakca: I agree. They've got some 3rd party stuff installed. [15:51] ScottK: I'll take a stab at Krusader [15:52] Should be easier than Kvirc. It's already KDE4. [15:52] anyone got Gnome installed and can test Kvirc4.0.0 under Gnome for me? [15:52] ScottK: yeah, that was a learning experience. But a good one... [15:53] Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger ... [15:53] yup [15:54] * rgreening is preparing a new upload of Qt 4.5 snapshot (as soon as I fix the build) [15:55] kubotu help twitter [15:55] twitter status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'twitter friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | twitter update [status] => updates your status on twitter | twitter identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your twitter username and password | twitter actions [on|off] => enable/disable twitting of actions (/me does ...) [15:56] ~twitter actions off [15:56] okay [15:56] awww :-( [15:56] ~twitter identify rgreening [15:56] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter' [15:56] ~twitter actions on [15:56] sure [15:57] * rgreening is preparing a new upload of Qt 4.5 snapshot (as soon as I fix the build) [15:57]