[00:00] <DexterF> nope. well, ssh.
[00:00] <ibeekman> hey does anybody know how to get glibc++ ?
[00:00] <DexterF> I thought apt.get was deprecated in fav of aptitude?
[00:01] <DexterF> DaSkreech: odd: a truckload of packs been held back
[00:01] <DexterF>  kde-window-manager and systemsettings will be installed nwo
[00:01] <DaSkreech> wow
[00:01] <DaSkreech> DexterF: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop when it's done
[00:01] <DaSkreech> See if anything else was missed
[00:02] <alarm> hey, i wanted to ask something about firefox. do the tabs of firefox 3 on kubuntu 8.10 look a bit strange ? not well allinged ?
[00:02] <DexterF> DaSkreech: *DUH*. remember the kdebase-workspace thing I discussed with scottk? that interferes with the new packages
[00:02] <DaSkreech> Duh  :)
[00:02] <Squidy> hi there.. i'm trying to set up dual head with kde 4.2 (my laptop + tv out)... but when I restart X the screen 0 appears ok.. but screen 1 appears a black screen and a X mouse cursor... Can anybody help me?
[00:02] <wwwwwwww> can anyone help noob?
[00:03] <DexterF> wwwwwwww: no, because we can't read your mind. you really really got to tell us what the problem *is* :)
[00:03] <wwwwwwww> lol
[00:04] <wwwwwwww> need to fix etc/resolv.conf in kppp
[00:04] <DexterF> (on #debian there would be no :) but invisible sarkasm tags...)
[00:04] <wwwwwwww> complete noob here
[00:04] <mefisto__> alarm: the active tab has a little more height. is that what you mean?
[00:04] <ibeekman> hey anyone know how to get libstdc++ from the repository?
[00:04] <alarm> mefisto__,  not really , when i go over the tabs they lose their format
[00:05] <alarm> hmm i will take a snapshot show what i mean
[00:05] <DexterF> wwwwwwww: wb Guest69065 :D what's wrong about it?
[00:05] <wwwwwwww> missing
[00:06] <DexterF> odd. so cat /etc/reolv.conf gives *nothing*?
[00:06] <DexterF> resolv.conf even
[00:06] <wwwwwwww> file empty
[00:06] <DexterF> or rather "file not found"?
[00:06] <DexterF> kppp means dialup?
[00:06] <wwwwwwww> yup
[00:06] <wwwwwwww> cannot dial out
[00:07] <wwwwwwww> says logging on then nothing
[00:07] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: my adept crashes everytime i try run it
[00:07] <wwwwwwww> i get etc/resolv.conf when i open kppp
[00:07] <wwwwwwww> missing
[00:08] <DexterF> wwwwwwww: define "i get"
[00:08] <alarm> here is what i mean: http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipfg2.png
[00:08] <DexterF> wwwwwwww: hich version of kubuntu?
[00:08] <wwwwwwww> pop up saying it missing
[00:08] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: apologies, you would need to run apt-cache policy kubuntu-restricted-extras at the command line..
[00:08] <DaSkreech> !kppp
[00:08] <DaSkreech> !ppp
[00:08] <alarm> i just installed kde4 , and firefox 3, the only thing i could think of is the lack of video drivers , but its the only app that looks like this
[00:09] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: that is resolved but now my adept doesnt launch anymore
[00:09] <ibeekman> so using synaptec I can find libstdc++, and the program i am installing requires libstdc++.so.5 which means i need libstdc++-dev5 right?
[00:09] <DaSkreech> DexterF: how is it going now?
[00:09] <DexterF> DaSkreech: not good
[00:10] <DaSkreech> how bad?
[00:10] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: what happens if you run kdesudo adept-manager at the command line?
[00:10] <alarm> mefisto__,  any idea ?
[00:10] <bazhang> wwwwwwww, this is ubuntu, or ubuntu-based
[00:10] <DexterF> DaSkreech: baad. fscked up dependencies due to that plasms config thingy I treid earlier.
[00:10] <DaSkreech> remove that and try again ?
[00:10] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: PLS EPLAIN HOW I CAN DO THAT
[00:11] <DaSkreech> alarm: install qt-gtk-engine ?
[00:11] <khalidmian> sorry about the cap
[00:11] <alarm> hmmm no i havent
[00:11] <alarm> let me do it.
[00:11] <DexterF> DaSkreech: hmm, wait...
[00:11] <DexterF> seems its thru now...
[00:12] <DexterF> wtf is apport-qt? keeps bugging me about root privs
[00:12] <bazhang> wwwwwwww, this is ubuntu, or ubuntu-based eg mint
[00:12] <tbr281> signing key wont implement when adding the kubuntu experimental repository
[00:12] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: kdesudo adept-manager command not found
[00:13] <DexterF> bazhang: why you keep telling him?
[00:13] <mefisto__> alarm: well mine doesn't look like that. are you using any themes? or just the default?
[00:13] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: damn, they changed iot to just be adept, no need for the -manager...
[00:13] <wwwwwwww> bazhang kppp is kde dial up tool
[00:13] <alarm> mefisto__,  default, just installed the system
[00:14] <wwwwwwww> resolv.conf is missing, i need to know how to fix
[00:14] <bazhang> wwwwwwww, yes I am aware of that, I was asking of the version of kubuntu you were running; kubuntu or kubuntu-based
[00:14] <wwwwwwww> mint 5 dvd installed
[00:14] <DexterF> DaSkreech: works. mmh. *much* nicer.
[00:15] <DexterF> wwwwwwww: mint5 is out in kde edition now?
[00:15] <alarm> DaSkreech, gtk engine is installed from what i  see
[00:15] <wwwwwwww> i have same problem on kubuntu
[00:16] <wwwwwwww> mint 6 is latest
[00:16] <DexterF> wwwwwwww: sounds a bit to me as if your ISP prvides you with weird dns entreis. but only a wild guess.
[00:16] <wwwwwwww> dexter no
[00:16] <alarm> but there is also gtk for kde4
[00:16] <wwwwwwww> no problems kanotix live
[00:16] <bazhang> wwwwwwww, no telling how mint does it; mint is not supported here
[00:16] <mefisto__> alarm: if the qt-gtk-engine package doesn't fix it, you could try this theme as a quick fix maybe: http://ramonantonio.net/kde-firefox/
[00:16] <Pricey> !mint | wwwwwwww
[00:16] <bazhang> !mintsupport
[00:17] <Pricey> !-mint
[00:17] <Pricey> !no mintsupport is <alias> derivatives
[00:17] <alarm> well i will install first the nvidia drivers, hope it has to do with it
[00:17] <wwwwwwww> I havce same problem kubuntu
[00:17] <DexterF> fsck me!! what type of xorg.conf is that?! how am I supposed to mess with it?
[00:18] <wwwwwwww> live kubuntu kde4 oxygen has same problem, etc/resolv.conf missing
[00:19] <wwwwwwww> in kppp
[00:22] <anom01y> how do I upgrade the kernel ?
[00:22] <anom01y> !kernel
[00:22] <anom01y> !dist-upgrade
[00:22] <alarm> is kde4.2 on experimental ? risky to use ?
[00:22] <wwwwwwww> seems noone knows how to fix this resolv.conf
[00:22] <cbwcjw> alarm: if your mildly experienced with linux its worth it.
[00:23] <alarm> depends what u mean with experience
[00:23] <cbwcjw> alarm: can you use the terminal O.K.?
[00:23] <alarm> sure , i am kind of familiar with it :)
[00:23] <alarm> thank got to debian ;)
[00:23] <cbwcjw> alarm: then Id say its worth it. you have ubuntu (or a variant) 8.10?
[00:24] <alarm> kubuntu 8.10
[00:24] <cbwcjw> alarm: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 follow the instructions, PM me with any questions
[00:25] <alarm> ok give me a second
[00:25] <alarm> to see also the difference with kde 4.1
[00:25] <ibeekman> hey I am running a freshly installed kubuntu 8.10 and was wondering how to determine the kernel version and glibc
[00:26] <alarm> whats new that makes 4.2 worth ?
[00:26] <geraldo> alguem fala português?
[00:26] <bazhang> !pt
[00:26] <cbwcjw> alarm: Less bugs, nicer interface
[00:27] <alarm> the screenshots show it the same
[00:27] <alarm> and a weird question, how can kubuntu have 4.2 and in kde.org have as latest 4.1
[00:27] <mefisto__> alarm: lots of bugs fixed, lots of new config options, faster, more stable
[00:27] <messeup> hi all. got some eee pc i need to install arrays kernel on to get wifi working.. how can i grab the files manualy from a browser? only got wifi internret and need to use win atm :(
[00:28] <alarm> okie then , you convinced me :)
[00:28] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: how are you?
[00:28] <mefisto__> alarm: there is a demo video on kde.org that shows you
[00:28] <messeup> i mean i cant fink the repo at array.org in my browser
[00:28] <bazhang> messeup, eeebuntu has it already in, you can dl the iso
[00:28] <geraldo> falou galera... to vazando... valeu...
[00:28] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: hey, just helping people move up to 4.2
[00:29] <gorgonizer> good on ya!!  best place to be ;)
[00:29] <messeup> omg.. already did a fresh interpid install
[00:29] <cbwcjw> !pt | geraldo
[00:29] <ibeekman> yo any body have a sec to answer my question about glibc
[00:29] <DaSkreech> ibeekman: uname -a
[00:29] <geraldo> by people
[00:29] <ibeekman> right so that gets me the kernel version right
[00:29] <ibeekman> but what about glibc
[00:29] <DaSkreech> ibeekman: and apt-cache policy glibc
[00:29] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: still no new updates :(
[00:31] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: i take that back, theres some X stuff from the PPA
[00:31] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: I had some earlier, some libxine and xoserver updates :)
[00:33] <ibeekman> DaSkreech: it didn't work: http://tinypaste.com/3600b
[00:33] <alarm> for kde4.2 i have to check also "Unsupported updates" in the adept software source ?
[00:33] <kendrick> if someone wants to install KDE 4.2 on a GNOME Ubuntu system, what package do they install (after adding the 4.2 repo to their Ubuntu 8.10 packages list)?
[00:34] <cbwcjw> alarm: just open konsole and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:34] <kendrick> "kubuntu-desktop" or somesuch? will that suffice?
[00:34] <gorgonizer> ibeekman: I think it will be apt-cache policy glibc-2.7-1
[00:34] <DaSkreech> !findglibc
[00:34] <cbwcjw> kendrick you do that to, except yea, run kubuntu-desktop
[00:34] <DaSkreech> !find glibc
[00:34] <kendrick> _run_ kubuntu-desktop?
[00:34] <DaSkreech> ibeekman: apt-cache policy libc6
[00:34] <cbwcjw> kendrick: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:35] <messeup> !eeebuntu
[00:35] <messeup> !eeeubuntu
[00:35] <DaSkreech> kendrick: kubuntu-desktop
[00:35] <cbwcjw> kendrick: I went from ubuntu to kde 4.2 as wel.
[00:35] <kendrick> cool ok
[00:35] <kendrick> i was already running 4.1.2 on my Ubuntu Dell laptop, but someone else in my LUG wants to try :)
[00:35] <PSiL0> !eeebuntu | messeup
[00:35] <PSiL0> !hi
[00:35] <kendrick> huh
[00:36] <jordo2323> I recently updated my system and now my sound doesn't work. I have rebooted twice and still nothing. Anyone have any ideas?
[00:36] <kendrick> odd.  i fire up krunner. i type "kons[enter]" and a Konsole appears
[00:36] <jordo2323> Or how do I test?
[00:36] <kendrick> but then, even though the Konsole appeared, i get an error from Krunning saying it can't find /usr/bin/konsole
[00:36] <cbwcjw> PSiL0: I found what causes that issue that we had
[00:36] <kendrick> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/konsole'. ???
[00:36] <PSiL0> cbwcjw: what was it?
[00:36] <gorgonizer> kendrick: I get a similar error, but the app always loads, so I ignore the error..
[00:37] <cbwcjw> PSiL0: Dbus isnt giving it the correct permissions. Let me get the bug report
[00:37] <kendrick> well, the error is irritating :)
[00:37] <kendrick> oh great
[00:37] <kendrick> and now it's stuck on my screen, and i cannot close it.  and it's preventing me from bringing up krunner.
[00:37] <mefisto__> it's as if the error reporting is quicker than the program launching
[00:38]  * kendrick kills
[00:38] <alarm> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release a public key is needed for http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu
[00:38] <kendrick> krunner's dead :(
[00:38] <DaSkreech> kendrick: You have a konsole type krunner
[00:38] <PSiL0> cbwcjw: cool, thanx
[00:38] <kendrick> yeah i brought it back
[00:38] <DaSkreech> Then konsole will crash and you can use the krunner to open a konsole which will cause krunner to crash...
[00:39] <kendrick> i didn't get it the FIRST time i laucnhed a konsole
[00:39] <PSiL0> cbwcjw: actually, i kind of forgot my query..  was it regarding plasmoids crashing?
[00:39] <kendrick> i vaguely remember this issue with KDE 4.0?
[00:40] <thinkgnu_>  i installed kubuntu 8.10 , i got some updated package from someone who updated it's kubuntu 8.10 , now how can i use those updates in my computer?
[00:40] <alarm> ok installing... lets see what happens
[00:41] <cbwcjw> PSiL0: No, it was kdesudo dolphin not working
[00:42] <cbwcjw> PSiL0: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165268
[00:42] <messeup> is eeebuntu the same as easypeasy??
[00:42] <faileas> what is easypeasy?
[00:42] <thinkgnu_> if i copy theme too /var/cache/apt , should it works ?
[00:42] <messeup> http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
[00:43] <cbwcjw> messeup: another name for a distrobution of ubuntu for the ausus eepc
[00:43] <thinkgnu_> them*
[00:43] <PSiL0> cbwcjw: ahh, cool cool.. thanx
[00:43] <alarm> in case something goes wrong with the kde.4.2 installation , can i downgrade again ?
[00:43] <messeup> cbwcjw great . thanks
[00:44] <cbwcjw> alarm: Is your install working out?
[00:44] <alarm> yes just finished
[00:44] <alarm> need to reboot
[00:44] <ibeekman> DaSkreech: thanks
[00:44] <alarm> thats why i am asking to know how to react in case something goes wrong
[00:45] <alarm> ok i risk it
[00:46] <earle> :)
[00:46] <earle> good luck
[00:46] <ibeekman> DaSkreech: so thats the version of glibc?  it looks like mine is 2.8.  If the compiler I am installing wants glibc2.3-6 with kernel version 2.6 will I be ok with 2.8?
[00:47] <ibeekman> (I code in Fortran btw,  and am a windows convert which is why i don't know this kind of stuff)
[00:47] <DaSkreech> 2.3 ?
[00:48] <DaSkreech> I guess that should work
[00:48] <futuresoon> anybody successfully rotating cube on kubuntu 4.2?
[00:48] <earle> Hm. Is there a way to move windows between desktops without involving the window menu?
[00:48] <earle> futuresoon: yep
[00:48] <futuresoon> earle: do you zoom in and out and have plasma running and some plasmoids?
[00:49] <earle> futuresoon: I can do all of that, yes
[00:49] <alarm> cbwcjw,  for some strange reason i still have kde4.1....
[00:49] <earle> Hey, crazy. My desktop cashew has vanished.
[00:50] <futuresoon> earle: you don't just mean the orthogonal view where you can ctrl-alt-left or right to switch desktops---you mean actually dragging holding viewing rotating the cube huh?
[00:50] <alarm> thats what i've seen when kde was loading
[00:50] <earle> futuresoon: yep
[00:50] <alarm> how can i check kdes version ?
[00:50] <cbwcjw> alarm: Run it again, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:50] <futuresoon> alarm: open konquerer and look for about
[00:51] <alarm> version 4.1.3
[00:51] <alarm> cbwcjw,  thats what i did, it downloaded like 60-80 new files and told me that i need to restart
[00:51] <alarm> let me try again
[00:51] <cbwcjw> alarm: Alrighty. Afterwards, do what futuresoon said.
[00:52] <alarm> i did. it says 4.1.3
[00:52] <ibeekman> DaSkreech: it looks like I have glibc2.8 from what you told me to do above:
[00:52] <alarm> strange, new packages are being installed again
[00:52] <ibeekman> DaSkreech: http://tinypaste.com/64b8a
[00:53] <cbwcjw> alarm: Run this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:53] <khalidmian> how can i rebuilt my adept xapien index
[00:53] <alarm> ok i wait till they are being downloaded, in the meanwhile what i've noticed with kde3.5 and 4.1 now on my laptop. when kubuntu is load(stage with the progress bar), OR when kde is loading, the system stops. as i do not see any activity
[00:53] <earle> Aha! Active Desktop Borders, that's what I wanted.
[00:53] <alarm> it goes on again and boots when i press enter
[00:53] <earle> Aw, it doesn't trigger the cube, though.
[00:54] <alarm> unfortunatelly i dont know at which points it freezes and waits for a key to be pressed to go on
[00:54] <earle> I'll file a bug...
[00:54] <ibeekman> oh well i guess I'll continue the install and hold my breath
[00:54] <kendrick> ugh
[00:55] <cbwcjw> earle: Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop effects -> General. Make sure BEFORE you file a bug that effect for dekstop switching is on Desktop Cube
[00:56] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: damn, more kernel upgrades :(
[00:56] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Figures
[00:57] <earle> cbwcjw: ooh. Thanks for correcting me before I made even more of an ass of myself.
[00:57] <cbwcjw> So Konversation > xchat
[00:57] <thief`> could i ask why kubuntu is better than gnome ubuntu?  is there much diff?
[00:57] <cbwcjw> earle: Just wanted to make sure :) Im holding off on bugs, im just making a list.
[00:57] <khalidmian_> got dc sorry i need help in trying to figure out whay adept doesnt show results for any search i put
[00:58] <earle> cbwcjw: Ah, no wonder I didn't see it - the Screen Edges tab directed me to Window Behavior. I think maybe the bug here is that Window Behavior doesn't mention where *this* option is.
[00:58] <cbwcjw> thief: You have acsess to all the same programs from the downloads and repositories, but it uses a completley different desktop environment. Currentlly, ubuntu is more stable.
[00:59] <khalidmian> i need help in trying to figure out whay adept doesnt show results for any search i put
[00:59] <alarm> cbwcjw,  one serious question, why is mysql server installed ?
[00:59] <cbwcjw> earle: sometimes the settings manager takes getting used to
[00:59] <futuresoon> khalidmian: apt-cache search some-package-name <-- that help?
[00:59] <futuresoon> cbwcjw: you guys talking about the compiz config settings manager?
[00:59] <gorgonizer> alarm: mysql-server is used by akondi, if I remember correctly..
[00:59] <khalidmian> futuresoon i want to rebuild xapien index
[01:00] <futuresoon> khalidmian: sorry i don't use xapien
[01:00] <cbwcjw> futuresoon: No.
[01:00] <alarm> ok, has to be removed in the future, useless resources i guess
[01:00] <earle> futuresoon: KDE's.
[01:01] <khalidmian> or renew /rebuilt my adept index
[01:01] <futuresoon> now i just switched to "use desktop cube" and i was really thinking that would fix my problem but nope
[01:01] <gorgonizer> alarm: akondi is one of the new technological backends used in KDE 4, which needs mysql server at the moment..
[01:01] <cbwcjw> alarm: Just remove with adept or synaptic
[01:01] <cbwcjw> But keep it for that reason*
[01:01] <futuresoon> so i have it set in 1) kde's settings manager and 2) compiz-config-settings manager and still no joy
[01:02] <alarm> gorgonizer, i would say new technological backend in 4.2 as 4.1 worked without any sql server
[01:02] <khalidmian> back to reinstalling shitty kubuntu
[01:02] <alarm> ok, installed , lets see what went wrong and what ok
[01:02] <stdin> !language > khalidmian
[01:03] <gorgonizer> alarm: I would agree, but I believe that akondi has come some way since 4.1, and now needs the database..
[01:03] <earle> futuresoon: Compiz isn't currently working in 4.2. You can use kwin's builtin effects - Desktop settings in System Settings.
[01:03] <faileas> khalidmian: if you don't like it, why install it ?
[01:03] <faileas> there's other DEs yanno
[01:03] <alarm> if you dont see me within a few mins, it seems that i am fighting with console :)
[01:03] <futuresoon> earle: oh awesome, thanks
[01:03] <DaSkreech> alarm: Still on KDE 4.1 ?
[01:03] <alarm> now upgrading
[01:03] <DaSkreech> earle: Without using the Kmenu ?
[01:03] <alarm> if you will let me restart :P
[01:03] <earle> futuresoon: this is where I was at yesterday :)
[01:04] <DaSkreech> thief`: It's better if you like it
[01:04] <earle> DaSkreech: oh, did you mean the per-desktop thing? If so, I found the screen edges settings.
[01:05] <BadHorsie> Hi, I copied one item from the main menu to the desktop, altered its description and is removed from the menu where it was, any ideas why this happens and how to restore it?
[01:05] <futuresoon> earle: so tell me the future---do i feel good tomorrow? lol
[01:05] <DaSkreech> earle: I was about to say I use alt+F3 but you can also drag and drop windows on the desktop pager
[01:05] <earle> futuresoon: after a bit of fiddling around, you find yourself quite happy and comfortable ;)
[01:06] <cbwcjw> I love 4.2 personally.
[01:06] <earle> DaSkreech: Right - I turned on Active Desktop Borders for window-dragging loveliness
[01:07] <zicada> i think ive gotten firefox to look pretty damn good on KDE4.2 now
[01:07] <zicada> http://zic.darktech.org/zicada/firefox_fonts.png
[01:07] <zicada> finally got the fonts to be fairly identical too
[01:07] <earle> eww gnome :P
[01:07] <DaSkreech> earle: ok that's pretty but sloooow :)
[01:07] <zicada> well, gotta have firefox
[01:07] <zicada> nothing beats it
[01:08] <BadHorsie> haha, i was watching Her Morning Elegance yesterday zicada
[01:08] <earle> DaSkreech: you can set the speed to fast, very fast or even "instant"
[01:08] <cbwcjw> zicada: thats awesome.
[01:08] <DaSkreech> earle: Sloooooooooooow
[01:08] <zicada> thread here with info: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[01:08] <cbwcjw> I like konquerer, but I wish it had some flash support eh? and thanks zicada, i was about to type in the URL in the picture ahaha
[01:08] <earle> DaSkreech: eh? turn the delay off then
[01:08] <DaSkreech> earle: involves mouse. Slooooooow :)
[01:09] <zicada> yeah konqueror is decent, but the flash stuff is driving me crazy
[01:09]  * DaSkreech is a keyboard elitist
[01:09] <gorgonizer> tend to use firefox, then opera, then konqueror, then IE (for giggles)
[01:09] <zicada> and it doesnt work with fckeditor for some reason
[01:09] <earle> DaSkreech: get a better keyboard
[01:09] <DaSkreech> hi alarm
[01:09] <DaSkreech> earle: yeah :-(
[01:09] <alarm> ok , kde4.2 installed, impressed of the taskbar !!! although the colour has to change :P
[01:09] <earle> for example, my keyboard, which has a pointing stick :)
[01:09] <anom01y> is it worth upgrading from ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 ??
[01:09] <thief`> so k and g are basically the same?  is one better? i know looks don't mean much... but what do ya think?
[01:09] <earle> thinkpad ftw
[01:09] <alarm> and btw, what is akonadi ? something needed ?
[01:10] <gorgonizer> alarm: http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/
[01:10] <DaSkreech> alarm: not if you don't use mail or contacts
[01:11] <earle> haha what: dragging a window between desktops only goes between the two non-empty desktops on my cube
[01:11] <alarm> okie
[01:11] <DaSkreech> thief`: Gnome's way of thinking is to give the user as few choices as possible KDE is to give the user as many as is reasonable
[01:11] <alarm> i suppose the blue colour cannot change right (of the taskbar)
[01:11] <earle> oh, no it isn't I see
[01:11] <BadHorsie> so, is kubuntu supposed to delete the source item from a shortcut once i alter the "Description" property from the icon menu on the child copy?
[01:11] <mefisto__> alarm: but the new kmail/calendar/contacts pim stuff is pretty nice in kde 4.2
[01:11] <earle> because the pager in in 2x2 mode. hmm.
[01:11] <DaSkreech> alarm: Right click the desktop -> Appearance settings -> choose a theme
[01:12]  * earle fixies
[01:12] <earle> aww yeah, that's pretty slick
[01:12] <alarm> never used kmail/calender/contacts . thunderbird was always enough for me
[01:12] <alarm> so i suppose akonadi could leave :)
[01:12] <earle> talking of blue colors! I never saw a blue shadow before :)
[01:13]  * earle would like to change that.
[01:13] <mefisto__> alarm: me too, but I think kmail is better than thunderbird now
[01:13] <gorgonizer> I am quite impressed with the new kmail..
[01:13] <DaSkreech> alarm: Give Kmail a try at least
[01:13] <DaSkreech> They did a lot of work on it
[01:13] <gorgonizer> though I used the previous version on KDE 3.5..
[01:13] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: I am too. also, is there a way to get flash to work in konquerer thats pretty simple?
[01:14] <mefisto__> alarm: and the blue taskbar, you can go to desktop settings and install new themes to change the taskbar colours
[01:14] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: let me have a look ;)
[01:14] <alarm> DaSkreech,  i will, as for the themes, there is only oxygen to choose, i suppose i got to install some manualy to change the taskbar
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Really?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Should be quite a lot actaully
[01:14] <alarm> DaSkreech,  yeap , just noticed also
[01:15] <DaSkreech> in anycase click new theme and you should have some more
[01:15] <earle> zicada: ha ha, I spot a /b/tard :)
[01:15] <alarm> yeap thats it
[01:15] <BadHorsie> wow, I got the icon back miraculously, I changed once again from the icon on the desktop, changed in the general from "ooo-calc" to "oo-calc" and my Spreadsheet icon is back in my menu
[01:15] <BadHorsie> this makes no sense.
[01:16] <cbwcjw> zicada: How did you fix your GTK tabs?
[01:16] <earle> oh boy oh boy
[01:16]  * earle finds the new pager autohide option
[01:16] <earle> *panel even
[01:16] <cbwcjw> earle: Giant pager with 4 desktops?
[01:16] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: can you not watch any flash videos in konqueror?
[01:16] <earle> cbwcjw: ha, no, just a typo on my part
[01:16] <cbwcjw> earle: haha
[01:17] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Yea. Im using the adobe flash plugin from adobe.com
[01:17] <earle> and resizable (height) panels too... it's like KDE 3.5 came back in style!
[01:17] <cbwcjw> earle: I love it :D
[01:18] <earle> Hmm, I need to swap my cube control keys... I expect left and right to go the other way.
[01:18] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: I installed flashplugin-nonfree from the repos, and I am happily watching http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/525-Gears-of-War-2 in konqueor now..
[01:19] <alarm> nice :)
[01:19] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: ahahaha! I saw that. Alright
[01:19] <alarm> ehm , how much does it cost ? :P
[01:19] <gorgonizer> £20...
[01:19] <gorgonizer> per browser..
[01:21] <alarm> cool, fixed and my desktop, finally some decent desktop back :)
[01:22] <wers> how do I make fonts of gtk apps look like the ones of kde apps? i think, it has something to do with rendering
[01:23] <alarm> wers,  system settings
[01:23] <cbwcjw> wers: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[01:23] <alarm> appearance -> gtk styles
[01:23] <PSiL0> wers: after installing some of the gtk-theme packs from the link cbwcjw gave you, appearance->gtkstyles..
[01:23] <PSiL0> whoops
[01:23] <PSiL0> :)
[01:24] <wers> alarm, i'm using my kde fonts in gtk applications but they still don't look the same
[01:24] <alarm> the key sequence 'del' is ambicious :P
[01:24] <wers> wait imma look at the link :D
[01:24] <PSiL0> cbwcjw: If you are out of luck like I was, I would follow all of those steps and install lxappearance
[01:24] <cbwcjw> PSiL0: It worked for me actaully :D
[01:25] <PSiL0> wers: the icons are here: http://kims-area.com/?q=node/62
[01:26] <PSiL0> cbwcjw: it never worked consistantly, using lxappearance, I get to choose the theme and icon pack to use and viola!
[01:26] <wers> PSiL0, oooh. i set it with lxappearance?
[01:26] <wers> while on kde4?
[01:27] <PSiL0> wers: well, I used it only after the folders/icons never showed up.. toolbars and sliders worked with gtk styles
[01:27] <PSiL0> wers: yeah, works in 4.1.3, 4.1.4, and now 4.2.0
[01:27] <PSiL0> wers: at least for me ;)
[01:27] <alarm> so since we use kde4 we need also gtk-qt-engine-kde4 ?
[01:28] <Guest96307> n
[01:28] <Guest96307> Olá!
[01:28] <PSiL0> alarm: I don't have that installed... I installed gtk-qt-engine .. maybe that was my problem.. heh..
[01:29] <alarm> me neither thats why it looks strange
[01:29] <PSiL0> wait, I think I removed it when something weird was happening in the gtk styles menu
[01:29] <PSiL0> anyways, like the commercials, I just set it in lxappearance and forget it
[01:29] <wers> wow. that's interesting. hehe
[01:29] <wers> i'm on 4.2
[01:29] <alarm> wers,  me too
[01:30] <alarm> :P
[01:30]  * Tm_T is on 4.3 <3
[01:30] <PSiL0> still, I installed all of the packages listed in cbwcjw's llink
[01:30] <PSiL0> also the packages from the kims link I gave you
[01:30] <MasterEvilAce> I know this is a linux channel.. but it's the only intelligent channel i have in IRC. Is it possible to INSTALL & BOOT windows (Windows 7 specifically) from a secondary hard drive? I can't remember if it's a limitation or not
[01:30] <wers> if i go back to gnome, will firefox still look okay?
[01:31] <wastrel> people like linux
[01:31] <PSiL0> wers: that I don't know.. I am a one-desktop-environment kinda guy, :)
[01:32] <xevil> wers: it won't look any different
[01:34] <wers> what is gtk-qt-engine for?
[01:34] <wers> i have qgtkstyle for gtk apps. i dont know if it's related
[01:35] <alarm> QtCurve saved me, that was the problem...
[01:35] <alarm> wers,  what is the problem with firefox ?
[01:35] <Tortola> hello i need help with the video
[01:35] <wers> aww. i cant see qtcurve in the theme choices for gtk apps :(
[01:35] <Tortola> :(
[01:36] <Tortola> somebody can help me
[01:36] <gorgonizer> Tortola: what issue are you having?
[01:36] <zicada> cbwcjw: thats a theme
[01:37] <alarm> i dont know where that is, did you install gtk2-engines-qtcurve ?
[01:37] <wers> yep
[01:37] <wers> brb
[01:37] <Tortola> the video give little jumps
[01:37] <Tortola> when i see movies
[01:37] <Tortola> :(
[01:37] <PSiL0> Tortola: turn off compositing
[01:38] <gorgonizer> Tortola: what video playing application are you using?
[01:38] <zicada> Tortola: ati ?
[01:38] <Tortola> i have got vlc playr
[01:38] <Tortola> no, i have got a laptop
[01:38] <zicada> theres a beta 9.2 version of catalyst that fixes the flickering issue
[01:38] <zicada> with compositing on
[01:38] <Squidy> hi.. i'm trying to make a servicemenu for dolphin in kde4.. but it doesn't work...
[01:38] <zicada> ah, then im at a loss
[01:38] <Squidy> can anybody help me?
[01:38] <Tortola> sorry im new in linux
[01:38] <Squidy> you can see my menu here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111512/
[01:39] <PSiL0> Tortola: general video settings x11 video output
[01:39] <Squidy> weird..
[01:40] <Tortola> a moment i go to see
[01:40] <gorgonizer> Tortola: do you get the same issue in different player, such as mplayer?
[01:40] <Tortola> different, mplayer and vlc player
[01:41] <gorgonizer> so mplayer has no jumps, but vlc does?
[01:41] <Tortola> both
[01:41] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: sorry, I was busy. Thanks, flashplugin-nonfree worked. Also, go yahtzee :P
[01:41] <Tortola> both give little jumps
[01:42] <Tortola> sorry i cannot find video settings
[01:42] <Tortola> where is exactly??
[01:42] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: he is a great game reviewer... always makes me laugh :)
[01:42] <PSiL0> cbwcjw: flash64 alpha is better though, if you are on x86_64 machine..
[01:42] <cbwcjw> PSiL0: Oh it doesnt matter to me :) If its not broke, dont fix it.
[01:43] <PSiL0> cbwcjw: Yeah, nspluginwrapper flash was broke, so I fixed it :)
[01:43] <cbwcjw> The only issue from going to KDE 4.2 from ubuntu is the GNOME apps and KDE apps being right next to eachother
[01:43] <cbwcjw> PSiL0: hahaha
[01:43] <gorgonizer> Tortola: video programs have there own settings, check which video output they are set to use..
[01:44] <gorgonizer> in VLC, Tools -> Preferences -> Video
[01:44] <Guest57109> fer
[01:44] <Tortola> ok ok sorry
[01:44] <Tortola> jeje
[01:44] <gorgonizer> mine is set to default for VLC, I think mplayer I have set to X11..
[01:44] <Guest57109> Alguém do Brazil?
[01:45] <Guest57109> ??
[01:45] <Tortola> ok
[01:45] <gorgonizer> Tortola: I have Xv video output for mplayer..
[01:45] <Tortola> i have found
[01:46] <Tortola> i choose x11 video output??
[01:46] <Tortola> or which?
[01:46] <zicada> Tortola: do you have desktop effects on ?
[01:46] <Tortola> no
[01:46] <Tortola> 3d is dissable
[01:46] <cbwcjw> !pt | Guest57109
[01:46] <zicada> ok
[01:46] <gorgonizer> I would use the XVideo option..
[01:47] <zicada> ofcourse
[01:47] <zicada> vlc will allways go for that first tho afaik
[01:47] <Guest57109> #ubuntu-br
[01:48] <Tortola> xvideo extension video output? or x11 video output or wich??
[01:48] <Frederick> folks how do I add a link to my home to a plasma widget?
[01:48] <gorgonizer> the xvideo extension video output..
[01:48] <Tortola> thnx u very much really
[01:48] <Tortola> i go to try
[01:48] <Tortola> a moment ;)
[01:48] <Tortola> skip frames, is actived
[01:48] <Tortola> its ok?
[01:49] <gorgonizer> Tortola: I have skip frames enabled as well..
[01:49] <Tortola> ok
[01:49] <Tortola> i ll try
[01:49] <cbwcjw> !enter | Tortola
[01:50] <gorgonizer> Tortola: what video hardware is in your laptop?  Is it Intel, or something else?
[01:51] <Tortola> yes, i think is intel
[01:51] <alarm> ok good news and bad news
[01:51] <djsebson> Hi ;]
[01:51] <Tortola> is shared memory
[01:51] <cbwcjw> !hi djsebson
[01:51] <gorgonizer> and how much memory do you have in the laptop?
[01:51] <cbwcjw> !hi | djsebson
[01:52] <Tortola> i have got 2 Gb
[01:52] <alarm> after i installed kubuntu my vga fan did not reduce its rpm at all (on the laptop), good news after installing nvidia drivers fixed (i hope) , at least i dont hear it anymore
[01:52] <Tortola> is presario c700
[01:52] <Tortola> compaq
[01:52] <alarm> good news, i like the effects that are integrated without needing any other application for that
[01:52] <Tortola> contine with little jumps
[01:52] <Tortola> :(
[01:52] <cbwcjw> alarm: I love kwin :D
[01:52] <gorgonizer> Tortola: is it possible to set an amount of memory specifically for the video card in the BIOS of your laptop?
[01:53] <Tortola> i dont know, with windows i hadnt got problem
[01:53] <wesley__> I wanted to ask is it possible to enter an chat room that normally uses monkeyirc aplet ?
[01:53] <gorgonizer> you may want to disable that frame skipping option in VLC.. there is a similar option in mplayer, to see if that helps..
[01:53] <alarm> i was using some 3d effects on kde3.5 , but removed them after a while . i am more into classics, even when using vista i have the classic view turned on :)
[01:53] <Tortola> ok
[01:53] <Tortola> i have got kde 4.1
[01:53] <Tortola> but not 3d
[01:54] <Tortola> where can i sure if all 3d is disable??
[01:54] <cbwcjw> alarm: I use XP with full classic view, win98 colors. Twas what i started from
[01:54] <gorgonizer> hmmm, I am on 4.2 myself... go to System Settings -> Desktop
[01:54] <cbwcjw> alarm: But I love linux eye candy, makes this crappy laptop impress :)
[01:54] <alarm> i dont use windows anymore at all :)
[01:55] <psksms> i dont ;-)
[01:55] <cbwcjw> alarm: For my gaming, its on my main. But I love this laptop, I use it a lot.
[01:55] <alarm> cbwcjw,  cedega has the answers
[01:55] <gorgonizer> Tortola: disable Enable Desktop Effects in System Settings -> Desktop
[01:56] <alarm> strange... the fan started to work aggresivly again....
[01:56] <Tortola> is disable
[01:56] <gorgonizer> I got shot of Windows years ago... I rarely play games anymore.. and the ones I do work in Linux ;)
[01:56] <gorgonizer> Tortola: do you have many plasmoids/widgets on your desktop/panels?
[01:56] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: being 15, gaming is slightly important :)
[01:56] <Tortola> i have got plasmoids
[01:57] <Tortola> but i dont know what is
[01:57] <Tortola> and never use it
[01:57] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: as I am approaching 30 at lightspeed, I only really play openttd..
[01:57] <gorgonizer> oh..
[01:57] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: ahaha!
[01:57] <alarm> i am also more into backgammon/chess :)
[01:57] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: no need for that ;)
[01:57] <alarm> no 3d needed in there :)
[01:58] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: I cant even DRIVE yet.
[01:58] <cbwcjw> alarm: Unless you wanted 3d :)
[01:58] <Tortola> can i dissable the plasma also?
[01:58] <Guest28201> are there any good icq clients for kububtu? i tryed kopete and pidgin so far...
[01:58] <gorgonizer> at least I can drive, and get into the films I want to see at the cinema ;)
[01:58] <Tortola> cose i dont know for what is
[01:58] <Tortola> and i dont need it
[01:58] <alarm> nah, why using more electricity ? :P
[01:59] <gorgonizer> Tortola: Plasma is the desktop in KDE4, so you need it..
[01:59] <Tortola> ok jeje
[02:00] <cbwcjw> Tortola: You sound like you dont speak english primarily. If you need help in another language, there are channels that should support you, if we cant help you with something :)
[02:01] <Tortola> a detail, when i put in fullscreen, the mouse dissapear, but when give a little jump, the pointer appear other time
[02:01] <Tortola> jeje, im spanish
[02:01] <Tortola> yes
[02:01] <gorgonizer> Tortola: yeah, that happens so the pointer doesn't impede the enjoyment of the film :)
[02:01] <Tortola> but i can understand
[02:01] <cbwcjw> Alright :)
[02:02] <Tortola> no the pointer is not problem, the problem are the jumps
[02:02] <Tortola> jeje
[02:02] <gorgonizer> Tortola: your problem may be memory related.. do you know how large your swap partition is?
[02:03] <gorgonizer> sorry if my response are slow, making a rollie and watching Time Team as well ;)
[02:03] <alarm> can someone please send me the kde4.1 default  wallpaper
[02:03] <Tortola> no i dont know
[02:03] <Tortola> how i can?
[02:04] <Tortola> a moment
[02:04] <Tortola> maybe
[02:04] <Tortola> a secndo
[02:04] <gorgonizer> from the command line, use the free command...
[02:04] <gorgonizer> or, better yet, free -m
[02:05] <talonstriker> hey guys, quick question about kopete... when you get a notification (when msg is sent to you), do the "ignore" and the other button work?
[02:05] <zicada> say, anyone else have a problem with kde4.2 now where the menu doesnt update when you install a new app ? Have to actually log out and back in
[02:05] <zicada> it worked in 4.2RC
[02:06] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: I really wish chatrooms in kopete worked, then I would actually use it :(
[02:06] <Tortola> i have got 4.8 Gb de swaap
[02:06] <Tortola> and all free
[02:07] <gorgonizer> Tortola: how much normal memory?
[02:07] <cbwcjw> 4.8 GB = Giant swap :D
[02:07] <Tortola> 2 Gb and 1.3 used
[02:07] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: I think group chats work for MSN/WLM, not used any of the other account types, so cannot comment..
[02:07] <Tortola> i dont know in what
[02:07] <Tortola> cose i have got nothing openned
[02:08] <gorgonizer> Tortola: oh, so looking less like a memory issue then.. did you try disabling the skip frames option in VLC?
[02:08] <Tortola> yes is disable
[02:08] <gorgonizer> is it a hi-def video, or a DVD, or an avi file that you are trying to play?
[02:09] <gorgonizer> can I ask, does anyone use hellanzb, and if so, does anyone know if it is possible to get it to use knotify, rather than libnotify?
[02:10] <axiom> I'm in apt-get limbo.  apt-get -f install dies on a "broken pipe".  sudo dpkg --configure -a fails with errors.  Advice?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6495255
[02:10] <Tortola> i ll try look in  the bios
[02:10] <Tortola> thnx u just come back
[02:10] <gorgonizer> axiom: do sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/koffice-data-kde4_1%3a1.9.98.2-0ubuntu3~intrepid2_all.deb
[02:13] <ninix> hi
[02:13] <cbwcjw> !hi | ninix
[02:13] <axiom> gorgonizer: You are awesome.  I am back in business.  Thanks!
[02:13] <gorgonizer> axiom: no problem, had to do that myself..
[02:13] <ninix> i'm trying to upgrade to kde 4.2.... it's worked the first time... but this time... there is only some packages 4:4.2 that are installed
[02:13] <ninix> any hint ?
[02:14] <wers> i'm trying to integrate the look of gtk apps with my kde 4.2 desktop. the theme is saved by qt curve but how do I make the fonts look exactly like the ones in my kde apps? :)
[02:14] <gorgonizer> ninix: are you upgrading via command line, or in adept?
[02:14] <cbwcjw> Some guy here earlier did that wers, one second
[02:14] <ninix> i see a list of packages when i type `apt-get upgrade`, it said "The following packages have been kept back"
[02:14] <ninix> gorgonizer: console
[02:15] <wers> i also asked for the same thing earlier but i just got answers for the themes cbwcjw
[02:15] <gorgonizer> do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:15] <cbwcjw> wers: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[02:15] <cbwcjw> That should help
[02:15] <ninix> gorgonizer: dist-upgrade ? ...
[02:15] <wers> yeah. but that doesnt say about the fonts
[02:15] <cbwcjw> Hm, im not sure :(
[02:16] <gorgonizer> ninix: yeah, it is a more complete upgrade option..
[02:16] <gorgonizer> ninix: I just run that full command whenever I try to do an upgrade..
[02:17] <gorgonizer> I take it no-one uses hellanzb then?
[02:18] <Tortola> im here other time
[02:18] <Tortola> my video memory is 384 megas
[02:18] <Tortola> but i can change nothing
[02:19] <gorgonizer> Tortola: that should be enough I would imagine, as you aren't using 3d effects..
[02:19] <Tortola> no no
[02:19] <Tortola> there is a menu or something where appear the 3d effects?
[02:19] <Tortola> no desktop
[02:20] <Tortola> effect
[02:20] <Tortola> desktop effects is disable
[02:20] <ninix> gorgonizer: seems to work thx
[02:20] <gorgonizer> to my mind, 3d effects = desktop effects.. so Iam at a loss to explain the video issue you are having..
[02:20] <Tortola> but there is other menu where i can choose the 3d effects, if i had activated?
[02:21] <Tortola> ok, other thing
[02:21] <Tortola> memory copy moduel
[02:21] <Tortola> module
[02:22] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: This is the error I get when trying to be invited to a chat: http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/784/screenshotyj6.jpg
[02:22] <Tortola> in vlc player
[02:22] <Tortola> is for something?
[02:22] <`n> how do i use "Window Extra" under "Special Window Settings..." ??
[02:23] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: which client is that, with what theme?  It seems a bit Vista to me ;)
[02:23] <wers> what emerald theme works well with oxygen?
[02:24] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Hes inviting me with pidgin (on his vista box, I said I was one of the only linux users here) but the same issue happens with AIM
[02:24] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: kopete cant do AIM chats, and thats what I need the most. Its quite disapointing
[02:25] <Tortola> in vlc i can choose between 3d now, mmx, mmx ext y libc
[02:25] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: Kopete does have an AIM option, but as I don't have an AIM account, I have never checked it out..
[02:26] <gorgonizer> so it might not work..
[02:26] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Yea, it doesnt support AIM chatrooms
[02:26] <Dr_willis> Yahoo and those other ompanies Like to break the 3rd party clients every so often also.
[02:26] <gorgonizer> Tortola: those options depend on your CPU, in konsole run cat /proc/cpuinfo.. it will list which options your CPU supports..
[02:26] <Dr_willis> I recall the aim 'chat rooms'  breaking  stuff a few months ago that took ages to get going again.
[02:27] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: ahh, that is not something I know of, so a shrug of shoulders from me ;)
[02:27] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Oh well
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Wife used to hang in them all the time. They keep adding 'features' and 'anti-bot' stuff  and other things. :)
[02:28] <cbwcjw> Dr_willis: This is a small chat with some of my freinds that we do every night with homework and things.
[02:28] <cbwcjw> Dr_willis: Not the big mainstream chats.
[02:28] <Dr_willis> I would try the latest versions of the various chat rooms.
[02:28] <Dr_willis> err chat programs
[02:28] <Dr_willis> or the AIM web interface.
[02:28] <cbwcjw> Dr_willis: I know, i use pidgin. I wish kopete would support it. Anyways...
[02:30] <Dr_willis> Well testing out the Default kde 4.2 setup now.. :)  what fun..
[02:30] <cbwcjw> I love it.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> and first thing i notice... How in the world do you set that clock to #*&!&!&^@&@ 12 hr format. :)
[02:30] <Dr_willis> Cant they understand people would love a simple 'check box' to just allow that one clock to be 12 hr format. :)
[02:31] <gorgonizer> I am very impressed.. especially the improvement from the Betas through to the final release..
[02:31] <stdin> Dr_willis: same was as in 4.1 and 4.0
[02:31] <Dr_willis> I gave up on 4.0 and 4.1 basically. :)
[02:31] <stdin> Dr_willis: System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Time & Dates
[02:31] <Dr_willis> figured id try 4.2
[02:32] <gorgonizer> Right, time for me to go to bed methinks.. good night all!   Happy Linuxing :)
[02:32] <Dr_willis> golly and i STILL have to restart the panel clock to get it to 12 hr format.. how..annoying. :)
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Yes its a trivial thing.. but really  I just whant that ONE panel clock to be 12 hr format. :) not the whole system date/time to be 12 hjr format
[02:33] <Dr_willis> dident the 3.5 clock settings/menus have a link to that 'Time and Date' Control panel area?
[02:35] <Dr_willis> time to play with all the new widgits. :)
[02:35] <Dr_willis> from what ir ead in the release notes.. google dektop widgets can work. anyone tried them yet?
[02:37] <mroc> i have a very silly question...how do i add an irc account in kopete?  there doesn't seem to be an irc option in the add account list.
[02:38] <cbwcjw> mroc: I dont know how to do it, so its not TOO silly :D
[02:39] <mroc> cbwcjw: haha, ok.  well, i feel better about it.  but it does support irc, right?  or do i need an additional plugin?
[02:39]  * Dr_willis tries to figure out what this ;internal extender conatiner' does. :)
[02:39] <cbwcjw> mroc: idk, I juse use konversation :) Its a pretty slick client
[02:39] <Dr_willis> I dont see where Kopete does do irc any more either....
[02:40] <Dr_willis> it used to be i think where you added aim/yahoo/msn/whatever accounts.. it had an IRC one also
[02:40] <zicada> irssi for irc
[02:40] <cbwcjw> zicada: ahahah!
[02:40] <mroc> cbwcjw: ok.  well, thanks for the answers.  i guess i'll keep searching, see what i can find.
[02:40] <zicada> what
[02:40] <stdin> Dr_willis: it was removed because it was broken and no one was maintaining it
[02:40] <stdin> (and no one wanted to rewrite it for KDE 4)
[02:40] <zicada> irssi is made of pure win
[02:40] <Dr_willis> irssin in a embeded window. :)
[02:40] <cbwcjw> zicada: irssi is hilarious, bare-bones. Anyways, somebody earlier, wers, was asking how to fix his GTK fonts so they integrate better
[02:41] <mroc> stdin: ah.  ok.  well then i won't keep searching.  thanks.
[02:41] <zicada> send them to that forum post
[02:41] <alarm> when wanting to remove mysql , it wants to remove almost automatically everything . like konsole, adept, kdesudo , akregator , amarok, kdm etc
[02:41] <alarm> why is that ? since when kdm depends on mysql ? that means i dont have any other choice than leaving mysql installed ?
[02:41] <cbwcjw> zicada: I did, but he didnt seem to find what he was looking for
[02:42] <cbwcjw> alarm: probably. I would just keep mysql
[02:42] <Dr_willis> how are you  trying to remove the thing? adept? ysnaptic? aptitude?
[02:42] <alarm> Dr_willis,  adept
[02:42] <Dr_willis> try from terminal with 'apt-get remove' perhaps.
[02:42] <alarm> it also wants to remove kdebase-data :P
[02:43] <alarm> i hope i will be warned before they will be removed :)
[02:43] <stdin> alarm: akonadi-kde needs it
[02:43] <alarm> stdin,  yes i figured that out. i dont need akonadi
[02:44] <alarm> but i surely need kdm , kde, etc without mysql :)
[02:45] <Dr_willis> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 110 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> wants to remove 110 addational items here.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:45] <stdin> alarm: only kmail needs it, nothing else
[02:45] <alarm> stdin,  tell that adept
[02:45] <alarm> Dr_willis,  agrees with me
[02:45] <alarm> :)
[02:46] <alarm> synaptic though seems to work better...
[02:46] <alarm> but doesnt remove dependencies
[02:46] <mroc> when i click on the volume icon, the slider that comes up is called "pcm."  it appears to have no effect on volume.  the channels "front" and "master" actually change volume....so how do i change the left-click function from "pcm" to something useful?
[02:47] <stdin> alarm: http://imagebin.ca/view/Dt4cG0DI.html
[02:47] <alarm> stdin,  would i have any reason to lie to you ?
[02:48] <stdin> alarm: not saying you are, I'm just saying I can't reproduce the problem
[02:48] <alarm> Dr_willis,  when trying to remove mysql what happens ?
[02:49] <alarm> doesnt matter i will remove it from synaptic
[02:50] <wers> i cant install compiz-kde. it says broken packages. any idea how to fix it?
[02:51] <jimmy51_home> does wireless work in kubuntu?
[02:52] <Dr_willis>  sudo apt-get remove mysql-common  -> tries to remove 110 items.
[02:52] <Dr_willis> most of which seesm to be KDE related
[02:52] <jimmy51_home> i've installed 8.10 on an older laptop and tried 3 different PCMCIA cards.  two are detected as wlan0, one sees the network but never ever connects
[02:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm - History - Up arrow - is not working any mor ein my terminals... oddd
[02:53] <Dr_willis> BRB
[02:53] <alarm> yes common is depending on many other packages. i knew that , but i get the same result with server as well
[02:53] <alarm> anyway, fixed
[02:54] <jimmy51_home> anyone here use wireless on a laptop with kubuntu 8.10?
[02:54] <jimmy51_home> if so... what did it take to get it to connect?
[02:54] <alarm> jimmy51_home,  i do
[02:55] <alarm> jimmy51_home,  nothing was done automatically :P
[02:55] <alarm> all i had to do was to choose my network , add the key and connect on it. although i cant find out how to autoconnect when loging into kde
[02:56] <Dr_willis> that was weird.
[02:56] <alarm> what?
[02:56] <jimmy51_home> alarm: you never had problems connecting?  i get wlan0, configure the connection, but the gear spins and times out
[02:56] <Dr_willis> up arrow key just 'beeped' at me in  the terminals in KDE 4.2
[02:56] <Dr_willis> xchat/Konsole/Terminator. all just beeped. :)
[02:57] <alarm> i honestly do not have any clue...
[02:57] <alarm> low signal, wrong key ?
[02:57] <Dr_willis> logged out and back into LXDE now its working
[02:58] <Dr_willis> noticed X is now on alt-0ctrl-F9 also
[02:58] <jimmy51_home> that's another weird part... when i run xfce instead of kde, the network manager only lets me choose WEP
[02:58] <jimmy51_home> when it's WPA
[02:59] <Dr_willis> I think im going to end up waiting for KDE 4.3 :)
[03:00] <alarm> hehehe
[03:00] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: to make KDM my default do I just re-install it?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg-reconfigre kdm
[03:00] <alarm> i waited 1 year on debian for kde4 :P
[03:00] <alarm> its still on experimental :P
[03:00] <jimmy51_home> i'm liking kde 4
[03:00] <jimmy51_home> well, 4.1 i guess
[03:00] <khalidmian> what were the repos for the google gadgets again under kubuntu?
[03:00] <jimmy51_home> haven't tried 4.2.  it's awesome on my PC.  my old laptop sure isn't happy with wireless though
[03:00] <alarm> jimmy51_home,  i also installed kubuntu today with kde4.1 , kde4.2 is much better
[03:00] <Dr_willis> bye all....
[03:01] <NotSure> can someone tell me if it is worth upgrading to kde 4.2
[03:01] <alarm> NotSure,  BeSure
[03:01] <alarm> it is from what i noticed in a few hours
[03:02] <jimmy51_home> oooh, burn notice is on.  wireless play later :)
[03:02] <khalidmian> NotSure: if u want more plasma gadgets sure whynot
[03:02] <NotSure> is the taskbar configurable?  I dont like the 4.1 not as much configurable 3.5
[03:02] <alarm> well i also liked 3.5 a lot, got used to the 3.x versions
[03:03] <wers> omg. lxappearance pwns in customizing gtk apps running on kde :D
[03:03] <NotSure> kde 3.5 is Awsome....   but I like the bells and whistles like the plasma desktop
[03:03] <wers> i just need an app to customize font rendering
[03:04] <NotSure> I just hate the kde 4.1 taskbar... it isnt fully configurable.  I cant move things where I want and all
[03:04] <NotSure> does anyone know if 4.2 taskbar is fully configurable?
[03:04] <cbwcjw> Yea, you can do a lot more
[03:04] <Zorix> i hate how you cant disable the tooltips on kde 4.2 when you hover over things
[03:05] <alarm> its ok, u can customize it
[03:05] <NotSure> alarm Im trying to be sure
[03:05] <alarm> i am telling you wont regret it
[03:05] <alarm> has a clean look
[03:05] <cbwcjw> NotSure: You have a LOT more options, you can change almost everything now.
[03:05] <NotSure> so I can move things where I want??  I dont like the 4.1 where they allocate certain spaces only
[03:06] <NotSure> cool
[03:06] <cbwcjw> NotSure: Yep
[03:06] <alarm> yes u can
[03:06] <NotSure> thx.. Ill try it..
[03:20] <NotSure> how to upgrade to 4.2
[03:21] <cbwcjw> NotSure: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[03:21] <NotSure> thx
[03:21] <cbwcjw> NotSure: Remember, you need to have intrepid ibex (8.10)
[03:21] <NotSure> i understand that amarok doesnt work in 4.2     Is this correct
[03:21] <NotSure> i do
[03:21] <alarm> whats that?
[03:21] <alarm> intrepid ibex (8.10)
[03:21] <cbwcjw> Alright, and it works for me
[03:22] <NotSure>  i understand that amarok doesnt work in 4.2    what version amarok are u using\
[03:22] <Syndrome> How do I move my panel?
[03:23] <astromme> Amarok is working for me in Jaunty and 4.2.....
[03:23] <NotSure> Jaunty???   Im using intrepid
[03:23] <astromme> Syndrome: click the cashew and them click the "move" button. If you have no move button click anywhere on the panel config that appears above the panel when you click the cashew
[03:23] <cbwcjw> Amarok is working for me in intrepid and 4.2
[03:23] <EtFb> I tried Kubuntu Intrepid for about three days, and gave up on it.  I'll give Jaunty a go when it's out, but KDE4.1 is pretty dreadful.  And if they don't even have Amarok working in 4.2 but they're still releasing it (presumably because, you know, nobody really listens to music any more) then I have no faith in the devs any more...
[03:23] <astromme> Syndrome: click + drag
[03:23] <Syndrome> It doesn't move it
[03:24] <cbwcjw> EtFb: 4.2 is out, and Amarok works.
[03:24] <KDesk> Anybody knows a front end for amule gui in qt?
[03:24] <PSiL0> *yawn* http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/I+HATE+the+Cashew?content=91009
[03:24] <astromme> EtFb: I'm definitely using Amarok in my 4.2. And I agree, _kubuntu_'s packages for 4.1 aren't the best. But they are improving with 4.2
[03:24] <EtFb> cbwcjw: That's good, at least.  But so much else was broken in 4.1, they've lost a lot of ground.
[03:25] <PSiL0> ^^plasmoid to hide the cashew
[03:25] <EtFb> Not going to do a Linus and defect to Gnome, but I'm less eager to upgrade than I have been before.
[03:25] <astromme> Syndrome: Are you clicking the cashew on the panel?
[03:25] <NotSure> EtFb  funny, I love the intrepid distro.. Its the 4.1 taskbar I hate.. Not as configurable as the kde 3.5
[03:25] <cbwcjw> EtFb: 4.2 makes up for it.
[03:25] <EtFb> NotSure: A lot of my problems came from using an Acer Aspire notebook.  Warning: don't ever use, buy or even walk near Acers...
[03:26] <EtFb> cbwcjw: Ah well.  Maybe 4.1 was the Windows Vista of the Linux world, and 4.2 will be the Windows 7, ie a bug fix that finally works.
[03:26] <NotSure> yea I agree,,, That goes for there monitors.. I sent one back 4!!! times     Finally they agreed to replace with dif model
[03:27] <NotSure> ill try it.. Thanks all..
[03:27] <cbwcjw> EtFb: Im not sure, but KDE has my respect back
[03:27] <astromme> Hmm, I've had 4 great working acer monitors. The laptop I had was terrible.
[03:27] <EtFb> Can you edit the menu in 4.2?  And what about global keyboard shortcuts, eg setting so that Windows+F starts Firefox, for example.
[03:27] <cbwcjw> EtFb: Yes
[03:28] <Syndrome> So any other way to move the panel other than just dragging it?
[03:28] <EtFb> astromme: They seem to do OK with monitors, but then their monitors division spun off to form BenQ, and they do laptops too without all the crap.
[03:28] <astromme> Syndrome: Just dragging it. Is it not working for you?
[03:28] <EtFb> cbwcjw: Yes to both?  Cos not being able to press Win+X for Emacs, Win+T for Terminal, etc, really messed with my muscle memory.
[03:28] <Syndrome> Nope, it isn't
[03:29] <astromme> Syndrome: You click the cashew and then click+drag on the bar that appears, not on the panel itself.
[03:29] <Syndrome> Oh, lol
[03:29] <Syndrome> That worked
[03:29] <Syndrome> Thanks
[03:29] <astromme> Syndrome: Yeah, I know, not the easiest to find. It's much improved in 4.2 with a big button that says "move" when you click the config cashew
[03:29] <Syndrome> First time with linux.. so I'm completely clueless
[03:30] <astromme> No problem
[03:30] <Syndrome> I can't get it to connect to my wireless network either
[03:30] <Syndrome> But I think that might because of what my wep key is set to
[03:32] <astromme> Syndrome: I also had problems with knetworkmanager in 8.10. I ended up installing the gnome network manager (and ran it with nm-applet)
[03:32] <cbwcjw> EtFb: Yea, yes to both. I must be off, adios
[03:32] <EtFb> I got the knetworkmanager working with a WPA-PSK connection with no worries in two different places, on the abovementioned Acer.  So that's not universally bad at least.
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Welcome to Kubuntu Syndrome
[03:33] <Syndrome> Thanks
[03:33] <Syndrome> Now if I can keep it
[03:33] <Syndrome> I was using win7 but it didn't work out for me
[03:35] <EtFb> Syndrome: Was it the picture of Adolf Hitler that annoyed you?  (http://xkcd.com/528/)
[03:37] <Syndrome> I can't say cause I can't look at that link
[03:37] <Syndrome> lol
[03:38] <cowboyfeng4567> has anybody gotten simon listens to work?
[03:38] <cowboyfeng4567> I am having trouble figuring out how to connect to a mysql database
[03:39] <cowboyfeng4567> By the way if there is any devs in here cheers I am loving kubuntu
[03:45] <Syndrome> Nothing works.. :(
[03:47] <cowboyfeng4567> on simon
[03:49] <foxwoods> hello there
[03:49] <foxwoods> I'm getting grey outlines around the text fields and buttons in firefox
[03:49] <foxwoods> I know I've solved this before, but does anyone know how to do it?
[03:49] <foxwoods> get rid of them*
[03:49] <wastrel> maybe i will try 4.2
[03:53] <gaoC> quick question
[03:53] <gaoC> how can i check if i'm using kde 4.2
[03:54] <wastrel> apt-cache policy kwin
[03:56] <gaoC> perfect thanks
[03:56] <gaoC> where's the setting dialog for the 3d effects of kwin
[03:56] <wastrel> iono
[03:59] <PSiL0> alt-f2->type: "system settings"->desktop
[03:59] <PSiL0> gaoC: alt-f2->type: "system settings"->desktop
[03:59] <gaoC> thanks
[04:00] <gaoC> how do i completely uninstall compiz
[04:02] <wastrel> ppa upgrade b0rked
[04:02] <PSiL0> wastrel: sudo apt-get -f install
[04:02]  * wastrel is crying every minute of the day
[04:03] <PSiL0> gaoC: sudo apt-get remove compiz
[04:03] <gaoC> that will remove everything for compiz?
[04:03] <PSiL0> gaoC: sudo apt-get purge compiz
[04:03] <wastrel> do you mean force?
[04:03] <wastrel> --force-yes ?
[04:03] <PSiL0> wastrel: fix or force..
[04:04] <Steven_M> hi all
[04:04] <PSiL0> wastrel: borked my ppa install two days ago and using that command line worked like a charm
[04:04] <gaoC> i still can't set more than 2 virtual desktops
[04:04] <PSiL0> wastrel: -f = --fix-broken
[04:05] <Steven_M> ubuntu seems too busy, so I'll ask my questions in here?
[04:05] <Steven_M> everytime I try to apt-get update I get this result. http://pastebin.com/d148bd853
[04:07] <PSiL0> Steven_M: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31642
[04:08] <PSiL0> Steven_M: or google: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 intrepid
[04:08] <PSiL0> Steven_M: several threads discussing the gpg key there
[04:13] <Steven_M> PSiL0: I must be missing something I don't see a solution in that thread.
[04:16] <PSiL0> Steven_M: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-970346.html
[04:16] <PSiL0> Steven_M: sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=true
[04:17] <PSiL0> Steven_M: enough google digging for me tonight... I have some work I to attend to...
[04:17] <PSiL0> Steven_M: enough google digging for me tonight... I have some work I have to attend to...
[04:18] <Steven_M> PSiL0: thanks
[04:18] <wastrel> i had to uninstall a package that was causing conflicts
[04:20] <ibeekman> hey, any ideas on how to get my display split across 2 monitors?  I have an IBM/Lenovo thinkpad T60 with an ATI graphics card
[04:20] <BluesKaj> Steven_M , I still don't see any help there
[04:20] <syockit> Any of you get white flashes when clicking "Show the Plasma Dashboard" (or activate it thru shortcut key)?
[04:21] <astromme> syockit: yeah, kind of annoying
[04:21] <BluesKaj> anyway, scaktime for me , nite all
[04:21] <gaoC> lol can anyone recommend a good osx like dock for kde
[04:21] <gaoC> avant is bad and so is simdock and that's all that's in adept
[04:22] <syockit> astromme: you using intel driver?
[04:22] <astromme> syockit: no, nvidia
[04:23] <syockit> astromme: okay, gonna have to look for that in the forums. This might mean lots others having the same glitch
[04:26] <DaSkreech> emma: hi
[04:26] <emma> hi there! :)
[04:29] <gaoC> so anyway to
[04:29] <gaoC> say i'm on desktop 1
[04:29] <gaoC> i only want the windows from desktop one to be on my taskbar
[04:29] <gaoC> any way to make that happen?
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Sure
[04:33] <DaSkreech> It's in the settings
[04:33] <gaoC> hmm ok
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Oh right it's hard to get to the task manager settings
[04:34] <DaSkreech> press the cashewon the panel and right click the task manager then choose settings
[04:35] <gaoC> cashewon?
[04:35] <DaSkreech>      cashew on
[04:36] <gaoC> i'm sorry task manager?
[04:36] <gaoC> right clicking anywhere isn't bringing a menu up
[04:37] <DaSkreech> gaoC: ok let me step back this is KDE? :)
[04:37] <gaoC> yes
[04:37] <gaoC> kde 4.2
[04:37] <DaSkreech> which KDE ?
[04:37] <DaSkreech> ok you have a panel with your windows on it?
[04:38] <gaoC> yes
[04:38] <DaSkreech> At the end should be a little button click on that
[04:38] <gaoC> yeah did that
[04:38] <gaoC> then right clicking will just move stuff for me
[04:38] <gaoC> it doesn't bring up a menu
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Right click on the windows and you should get a menu
[04:38] <DaSkreech> umm
[04:38] <gaoC> i don't
[04:39] <DaSkreech> left clicking should move things right clicking should bring up a menu
[04:39] <gaoC> left clicking klets me most things
[04:39] <gaoC> and right clicking lets me move things lol
[04:39] <DaSkreech> move
[04:39] <DaSkreech> so no matter what you do you get the move arrow?
[04:40] <gaoC> yes
[04:40] <syockit> gaoC: First, click on the cashew on the right on the taskbar
[04:40] <PSiL0> gaoC: right click while the move arrow is above your tasks to bring upa context menu
[04:40] <DaSkreech> That's not supposed to happen :(
[04:40] <syockit> gaoC: If yo've confirmed the move cursor is there, then right click on the list of windows
[04:41] <PSiL0> then click task manager settings
[04:41] <DaSkreech> When you click once you can move things around then try right clicking
[04:41] <fix90-> how to install exe files on kubuntu 7.04?
[04:41] <gaoC> i'm telling you
[04:41] <gaoC> no context menu will come up
[04:41] <gaoC> when i right click
[04:42] <DaSkreech> gaoC: Well then you can't have only applications for desktop one then :(
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Unless you find the one pixel
[04:43] <gaoC> WOOT FOUND ONE PIXEL
[04:43] <fix90> anyone ? how to install exe file on kubuntu?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> :-D
[04:43] <DaSkreech> fix90: Which Exe ?
[04:43] <gaoC> woops caps lock
[04:43] <gaoC> sorry
[04:43] <fix90> example..games
[04:43] <DaSkreech> !wine | fix90
[04:45] <syockit> gaoC: you don't have any windows open?
[04:45] <syockit> gaoC: get at least something running, then you can right click on it
[04:45] <DaSkreech> No It's harder to right click when there are things open
- how about virtual box or vmware?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> fix90: Sure those work as well but you have to own a copy of Windows to install in them
[04:47] <wers> where do i find last.fm on amarok 2?
[04:47] <wers> it's not in the internet tab and it's activated
[04:47] <syockit> that shouldn't be the case: If you have a window open, and you click on the cashew, the move cursor automatically centers on the task manager
[04:48] <gaoC> wow my window decorator disappeared...
[04:49] <syockit> huh?
[04:49] <gaoC> ilogged out and in
[04:49] <gaoC> and i have no window borders...
[04:50] <syockit> that's bad. looks like kwin failed
[04:50] <syockit> don't know if you can alt-f2
[04:50] <syockit> if you can, try kwin
[04:50] <syockit> oh, if plasma is running, can launch a konsole instead
 http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Wine-Download-148.html is it the link of wine?
[04:52] <DaSkreech> fix90:sudo  apt-get install wine
[04:54] <wastrel> ppl, i installed the kde but kdm it doesn't offer kde as an option in the sessions menu
[04:54] <hendershot> maybe you installed it wrong
[04:55] <wastrel> it is entirely possible
[04:55] <hendershot> or it could be in the wrong file
[04:55] <hendershot> try reoranging the fils
[04:56] <wastrel> it's a good suggestion
[04:57] <hendershot> what are you running now
[04:58] <wastrel> nighty night :]
[04:58] <drixbarsali> pleae help
[04:58] <hendershot> whats the problem
[04:58] <drixbarsali> good night first lol
[04:59] <gaoC> so it turns out kwin fails by itlself
[04:59] <hendershot> lol yah
[04:59] <gaoC> but if i open a terminal and do kwin --replace it works...
[04:59] <hendershot> night
[04:59] <drixbarsali> i cant set up my laptops brightness
[04:59] <gaoC> but i have to keep the terminal open otherwise it restarts X
[04:59] <drixbarsali> i already try guidance
[04:59] <gaoC> and i still can't set more than 2 virtual desktops
[04:59] <hendershot> drixbarsali: go to the settings on the display
[04:59] <drixbarsali> but it cnt hokd the brightness
[05:00] <hendershot> look in everything
[05:00] <hendershot> are you sure the backlight isnt going bad
[05:00] <hendershot> try to find a widget that has a display file
[05:00] <drixbarsali> yes cause i got windows to
[05:01] <hendershot> ah
[05:01] <drixbarsali> the guidance dont hold the backlight
[05:01] <drixbarsali> i dont know why
[05:01] <hendershot> huh
[05:01] <hellhound_> I just installed 8.10 and I installed the NVIDIA graphic driver version 177 and after I restarted the machine will not boot.  It stops at "Checking battery state"  I have a Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT.  Can anyone help me?
[05:01] <fix90> is kubuntu 7.04 have a download accelerator?
[05:02] <hendershot> are there any brightness settings on the comp itself
[05:02] <fix90> kubuntu 7.04 have a download accelerator?
[05:02] <hendershot> nividia isnt well liked with linux
[05:02] <drixbarsali> my chipset is intel
[05:02] <hendershot> not that i know of
[05:02] <gaoC> so there's no desktop cube in kwin? :(
[05:02] <drixbarsali> worked the guidance, but now
[05:03] <drixbarsali> not work anymore
[05:03] <drixbarsali> at morning was fine
[05:03] <hendershot> not that i know of
[05:03] <hendershot> huh
[05:03] <hendershot> try to reset the settings to defualt
[05:03] <fix90> kubuntu 7.04 have a download accelerator?
[05:03] <drixbarsali> iĺl try to reinstall kubuntu
[05:03] <hellhound_> my graphic card worked fine with 8.04 but not after I upgraded.... if I boot into recovery mode, i can get a command prompt... how can I try another graphics driver version?
[05:04] <hendershot> well
[05:04] <hendershot> you dont have to reinstall it
[05:04] <hendershot> just restore the defualts
[05:04] <wastrel> i switched to kde4
[05:04] <drixbarsali> how?
[05:04] <hendershot> hellhound_:  theres a driver manager
[05:04] <fix90> kubuntu 7.04 have a download accelerator?
[05:04] <wastrel> 4.2 is less slow/piggy than 4.1 it runs decent on my laptop
[05:04] <hendershot> go to system settings and theres a restore defualt
[05:05] <wastrel> drixbarsali: i used the instructions in the kubuntu website
[05:05] <hendershot> button to the botttom left
[05:05] <drixbarsali> ok thanks
[05:05] <hendershot> np
[05:05] <syockit> gaoC: there is
[05:05] <hellhound_> hendershot: can I access it from the command prompt... xserver will not boot
[05:05] <wastrel> what's with the blue theme i thought the theme was black
[05:05] <hendershot> um
[05:05] <gaoC> syockit: i can't seem to find it
[05:05] <gaoC> only desktop grid
[05:06] <hendershot> hellhound_:  im honestly not sure if you can but im sure its possible try typing system settings in a terminal
[05:06] <wobbly> all the irc channels here and no one knows how to fix resolv.conf in kppp
[05:06] <wastrel> what's wrong with resolv.conf ?
[05:06] <wobbly> yu tell me
[05:06] <wobbly> it missing
[05:06] <hendershot> wobbly: go to #ubuntu
[05:06] <fix90> g solat jumaat dulu r
[05:06] <wobbly> no one knows how to fix
[05:07] <syockit> gaoC: you sure this is 4.2?
[05:07] <rjgonza> what is the problem?
[05:07] <wobbly> been there and they banned me
[05:07] <wastrel> wobbly: do you know what your dns servers are supposed to be?
[05:07] <gaoC> syockit: positive
[05:07] <gaoC> i have wobbly windows etc
[05:07] <wobbly> for asking a simple ?
[05:07] <wobbly> wastrel , no
[05:07] <wobbly> why do i need them
[05:07] <wastrel> you need that info, get it from your dialup provider
[05:07] <syockit> gaoC: Does it appear in the list of kwin plugins?
[05:07] <wastrel> because that's what goes in resolv.conf
[05:07] <wobbly> don't on kanotix, it auto
[05:08] <gaoC> syockit: what desktop cube?
[05:08] <wastrel> well in linux if something is broken you fix it
[05:08] <wastrel> and you can fix it by finding those dns server addresses
[05:08] <syockit> System Settings>Desktop>All Effects>Window Management>Desktop Cube
[05:08] <wobbly> it same in kubuntu and mint
[05:08] <gaoC> no if it was there i wouldn't be asking :P
[05:09] <hellhound_> hendershot: once again... xserver will not boot.. so I get into kde/gnome just the command prompt.  when I type system settings I get "command not found"
[05:09] <wobbly> all i need to know is what to put in /etc/resolv.conf
[05:09] <wastrel> wobbly: you put your dns server addresses in there.
[05:09] <wastrel> sec you can use opendns
[05:09] <hendershot> hellbound can you go to #ubuntu
[05:10] <wobbly> dialup
[05:10] <hendershot> see if they can help you more than i can
[05:10] <wastrel> opendns will work
[05:10] <hellhound_> hendershot: I am using kubuntu (KDE) though
[05:10] <syockit> gaoC: you have anything else listed there? box switch, cover switch, etc
[05:10] <wastrel> wobbly: Our nameservers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220.
[05:10] <gaoC> yes
[05:10] <gaoC> screenshot coming
[05:10] <DaSkreech> gaoC: rn kwin --replace then logout
[05:11] <hendershot> yes i know but ubuntu is kubuntu programing
[05:11] <wastrel> wobbly:  put   nameserver <ip>   where <ip> is one of those IP's  one line for each namesever
[05:11] <DaSkreech> hendershot: A year ago nvidia was the godsend to linux
[05:11] <gaoC> DaSkreech: rn?
[05:11] <DaSkreech> gaoC: There is a cube in kwin
[05:11] <wobbly> back to windows 7, no good this lot
[05:11] <gaoC> i'm in kwin.
[05:11] <DaSkreech> fix90: 7.04?
[05:12] <wastrel> you're welcome
[05:12] <syockit> fix90 probably won't be back for another 30-40 minutes
[05:12] <hendershot> DaSkreech: it never worked on mine
[05:13] <DaSkreech> gaoC: run
[05:13] <DaSkreech> hellhound_: what's the issue?
[05:14] <gaoC> syockit: http://privatepaste.com/a40JlV1Xj2
[05:14] <gaoC> DaSkreech: already ran it
[05:14] <gaoC> aka im in kwin
[05:14] <webbi> hello
[05:14] <webbi> is there anyway to diable for a while the auto mount utility?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> gaoC: You said if you closed the konsole it would go away. If you log out then it gets saved in your session and rerun when you login
[05:15] <hellhound_> DaSkreech: I just installed 8.10 and I installed the NVIDIA graphic driver version 177 and after I restarted the machine will not boot.  It stops at "Checking battery state"  I have a Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT.
[05:15] <gaoC> oh well that's good to know, thanks
[05:15] <syockit> gaoC: either kwin's old, or system settings is. Please check the version of kde-window-manager
[05:15] <syockit> that one looks like from the 4.1 days
[05:16] <DaSkreech> hellhound_: tried a plain settings boot ?
[05:16] <gaoC> coag@null:~$ kwin -v
[05:16] <gaoC> Qt: 4.4.3
[05:16] <gaoC> KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3)
[05:16] <gaoC> KWin: 3.0
[05:16] <gaoC> whoops sorry for the four lines..
[05:16] <gaoC> i'm on kde 4.2 or so i thought...
[05:16] <DaSkreech> gaoC: There you go Kwin from KDE 4.1
[05:16] <gaoC> i did the ppa
[05:16] <gaoC> repo
[05:16] <gaoC> and installed 4.2
[05:16] <DaSkreech> gaoC: sudo apt-get install kwin
[05:16] <syockit> gaoC: ah, is it project-neon?
[05:16] <hellhound_> DaSkreech: I am able to boot into the command prompt using the recovery setting in grub
[05:16] <DaSkreech> see if it missed something
[05:17] <syockit> gaoC: if so, that one is installed on a different session. It does not replace your kde
[05:17] <DaSkreech> hellhound_: Ok swap out your driver to something else to see if that's the issue
[05:17] <DaSkreech> gaoC: Which ppa?
[05:17] <gaoC> launchpad
[05:17] <syockit> ...
[05:18] <gaoC> apt-get install kwin just installed 4.2 kwin
[05:18] <gaoC> anything else i have to do so when i log in it uses 4.2?
[05:18] <syockit> wait, try replacing current kwin first
[05:18] <gaoC> ok
[05:18] <syockit> hmm, wait, even that won't work
[05:19] <syockit> as in the end you need to configure that from the settings
[05:20] <syockit> gaoC: again, which ppa did you install it from?
[05:20] <syockit> gaoC: launchpad.net/~<insert name here>
[05:20] <gaoC> oh
[05:20] <gaoC> intrepid main
[05:20] <DaSkreech> before that part
[05:21] <wastrel> how do i get the black panel back?
[05:21] <DaSkreech> wastrel: what did you do to make it go away ?
[05:21] <wastrel> it is blue
[05:21] <wastrel> i want it black like it was in 4.1
[05:21] <syockit> gaoC: no, the full ppa.launchpad address
[05:21] <DaSkreech> wastrel: oh swap yourtheme
[05:21] <gaoC> hold on
[05:22] <DaSkreech> right clikc on the desktop and appearance settings
[05:22] <wastrel> which theme has the black bar?
[05:22] <gaoC> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[05:23] <gaoC> i used the guide from kubuntu site
[05:23] <gaoC> i forgot to do the gpg key adding before though
[05:24] <syockit> gaoC; don't worry the gpg. anyways, you installed only kwin?
[05:24] <gaoC> no i installed kde 4.2 before
[05:25] <syockit> I mean, don't worry gpg for now. But try installing gpg before anything before next time, it should be the practice
[05:25] <DaSkreech> gaoC: Ok sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <wastrel> new theme is ugly :[
[05:25] <DaSkreech> wastrel: A few of them are dark
[05:25] <syockit> DaSkreech: if it's already installed, i don't think that'll work to auto upgrade all deps
[05:26] <DaSkreech> syockit: It will if it's a higher version than the one he has now
[05:26] <DaSkreech> assuming that gaoC is a he
[05:26] <wastrel> i only have one, is there a package with more?
[05:26] <gaoC> no changes from that DaSkreech
[05:26] <gaoC> so i'm good to go?
[05:27] <wastrel> it's this ugly blue thing the old one looked nice
[05:27] <gaoC> restarting X etc?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> wastrel: what was the old one you had? I used to use silicon
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Tha was dark
[05:27] <syockit> gaoC: you have to make sure every kde bits are installed first
[05:27] <gaoC> well kwin is 4.2
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Well not every kde bit
[05:27] <gaoC> kde is 4.2
[05:27] <DaSkreech> but a good chunk :)
[05:28] <DaSkreech> gaoC: Open some application and look at help -> about KDE
[05:28] <gaoC> lol it says 3.5.10 :/
[05:28] <wastrel> whatever the default on the 4.1 was
[05:28] <gaoC> and apt-get upgrade has no kde in it
[05:28] <DaSkreech> wastrel: oxygen
[05:29] <wastrel> i have oxygen now the bar is blue, not black.
[05:29] <DaSkreech> gaoC: What app did you use? Don't use konversation :)
[05:29] <wastrel> also the background pic is diff but i guess that's not part of the theme
[05:29] <DaSkreech> wastrel: try glassified
[05:30] <gaoC> lol ok
[05:30] <DaSkreech> konqueror is normally a safe bet
[05:30] <gaoC> dolphin says 4.1.3
[05:31] <BattleStarJesus> How do I fix: "Your system has broken dependencies." ?
[05:31] <DaSkreech> gaoC: Right sounds like you haven't upgraded yet
[05:31] <DaSkreech> BattleStarJesus: try apt-get -f install
[05:31] <wastrel> light grey
[05:31] <gaoC> apt-cache policy w/e reports 4.2
[05:32] <DaSkreech> gaoC: Logout then when you get the login screen press alt+E then login
[05:32] <gaoC> alright
[05:32] <DaSkreech> wastrel: Do you have a silicon ?
[05:32] <BattleStarJesus> DaSkreech: tryed it and no fix.
[05:32] <syockit> DaSkreech: what's the command to crop output? I want him to paste dpkg-query -l kde
[05:33] <wastrel> light blue
[05:33] <DaSkreech> wastrel: try sudo apt-get install plasma-desktopthemes-artwork
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Should give you some options
[05:34] <DaSkreech> syockit: crop ?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> BattleStarJesus: what's causing the depends issues?
[05:34] <syockit> DaSkreech: like, trim off only the third string or something
[05:35] <DaSkreech> syockit: be more specific and I'll tell you what the command is
[05:36] <syockit> DaSkreech: I'm changing question: how to sed tabs?
[05:36]  * DaSkreech blinks
[05:36] <DaSkreech> like on firefox ?
[05:37] <gaoC> alrighty
[05:37] <gaoC> upgrading now
[05:37] <gaoC> could've sworn i did this already
[05:37] <gaoC> evidently not, w/e
[05:37] <DaSkreech> syockit: You want to change tabs for something ?
[05:38] <gaoC> what does "meta" key refer to in laymans terms :P
[05:38] <gaoC> is that alt
[05:38] <syockit> DaSkreech: not really. I figured out awk was the correct tool
[05:38] <DaSkreech> gaoC: yes
[05:38] <wastrel> hi hi
[05:38] <wastrel> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/img/2008/07/kde-4.1-desktop.jpg   <=  that is what i want
[05:38] <DaSkreech> syockit: ha ha what are you trying to do ?
[05:38] <wastrel> that background, a nice black panel
[05:39] <wastrel> how do i get that in 4.2?
[05:39] <BattleStarJesus> DaSkreech: something to do with a kernel image, how do I find out exactly?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> wastrel: I get that with Oxygen
[05:39] <DaSkreech> BattleStarJesus: I guess apt-get install linux-image
[05:40] <CYREX> how is 4.2 running on a PC with nvidia glx 177?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Though the kernel should only depend on libc6 and apt itself
[05:40] <gaoC> thanks for your patience DaSkreech and help
[05:40] <gaoC> you too syockit
[05:41] <DaSkreech> sure I'm going to be distracted in a bit so say my name if you want me
[05:41] <wastrel> DaSkreech: i get this -> http://kde.org/announcements/4.2/screenshots/desktop.png
[05:41] <wastrel> wiht oxygen
[05:44] <syockit> wastrel: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Theme
[05:44] <syockit> wastrel: the default metadata.desktop doesn't contain any reference to the panel background though
[05:45] <wastrel> i am shit at design i can't make a theme
[05:45] <DaSkreech> no there should be some darker themes
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Oxygen doesn't look like that at all for me :-(
[05:47] <wastrel> i liked the black panel... hrm
[05:48] <syockit> wastrel: the opaque theme uses the blue one
[05:48] <syockit> that's default in 4.2 i think
[05:48] <wastrel> oxygen what mine says
[05:51] <syockit> hmm, I'll give you a dirty workaround then
[05:51] <syockit> first, back up /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/opaque/widgets/panel-background.svgz
[05:52] <syockit> like: cp /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/opaque/widgets/panel-background.svgz /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/opaque/widgets/panel-background.svgz.backup
[05:52] <syockit> next, cp /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/panel-background.svgz  /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/opaque/widgets/panel-background.svgz
[05:52] <syockit> then restart plasma
[05:53] <genii> syockit: Those dirs will need sudo, regular user has no write privs there
[05:54] <wastrel> oxygen is using the wrong panel background image?
[05:54] <syockit> Maybe I should've taught him to copy the theme instead
[05:59] <gkffjck> Hi guys... I know I'm on a development release but I was wondering... I have been able to run compositing on kde4.1 with no problems.... but now in 4.2 It says that I cannot enable compositing what's up?
[06:01] <Paddy_EIRE> Is it possible to hide the konqueror status bar ?
[06:02] <gaoC> wow 4.2 is spectacular
[06:02] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah
[06:02] <DaSkreech> let me guess you got 4.2?
[06:02] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah
[06:02] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[06:04] <PSiL0> quick question, anyone know how to change the blue hue/halo that borders active windows?
[06:04] <tom__> wanting to view my windows network with ubuntu
[06:05] <Paddy_EIRE> !samba
[06:05] <tom__> I downloaded samba then saw i got it how do i start it?
[06:06] <Paddy_EIRE> tom__: just read this http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html
[06:06] <tom__> ok
[06:06] <Paddy_EIRE> gah.. wait
[06:07] <Paddy_EIRE> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:07] <Paddy_EIRE> that
[06:07] <Paddy_EIRE> :P
[06:07] <DaSkreech> tom__: If you have a windows network already in konqui or dolphin press ctrl+L and type in smb://
[06:07] <Texas> hey im a newbie i got a question
[06:07] <tom__> I tried smb:// in firefox will try others
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Firefox?
[06:08] <gaoC> is there a deafult hotkey for switching desktops
[06:08] <Paddy_EIRE> !ask | Texas
[06:08] <Texas> if any one is free i would appreciate it
[06:08] <Texas> thanks
[06:08] <DaSkreech> gaoC: Ctrl+Fn
[06:09] <gaoC> where would i set ctrl right arrow for next left arrow for prev etc
[06:10] <pepinillo> ok... so I upgraded to kde 4.2 on my comp
[06:10] <wastrel> i did that too
[06:10] <pepinillo> my icons from the task bar dissapeared!!!
[06:11] <Paddy_EIRE> pepinillo: tried re-adding them
[06:11] <Paddy_EIRE> :/
[06:11] <pepinillo> only have the show dashboard and recently plugged in one
[06:11] <wastrel> kde4.2 is better than 4.1 but still slow and breaky
[06:11] <pepinillo> want me to be honest... haven't figured out how
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Texas: No one can answer a question unspoken
[06:11] <wastrel> also now it's ugly
[06:11] <pepinillo> I don't mean the ones you add and then use... the ones that appear when you start running an application...
[06:11] <Texas> I need to know what packages i need to download for chatrooms on the inter net
[06:11] <PSiL0> ahhh, finally got rid of that blue halo
[06:11] <Texas> i got disconected my question is what packages do i need to download for chat rooms to work java based
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Texas: you are already on a chatroom on the interent
[06:12] <tom__> how do i start konqui or dolphin in ubuntu 8.04
[06:12] <PSiL0> using bare naked as my theme, keeping it simple
[06:12] <pepinillo> like I had my hp's printer icon there, and it told me things... now it's gone.. printer works though..
[06:12] <DaSkreech> tom__: alt+f2 konqueror
[06:12] <DaSkreech> tom__: alt+f2 dolphin
[06:12] <pepinillo> this kde feels much smoother to me...
[06:12] <wastrel> yeah it performs better than 4.1
[06:13] <wastrel> 4.1 was hog
[06:13] <DaSkreech> pepinillo: press the little button at the end of the panel then click add widgets. add which ever ones you feel like
[06:13] <tom__> the location or file could not be found
[06:13] <pepinillo> I don't mean the widgets...
[06:13] <marc> is this thinking working, holla back
[06:13] <pepinillo> like if you run say... skype... the icon that appears...
[06:14] <pepinillo> when you're running it.,.. bottom right corner of screen... it doesn.t anymore...
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Your system tray?
[06:14] <wastrel> you're missing the little thingy.  the notification area
[06:14] <pepinillo> YES
[06:14] <DaSkreech> It's a widget
[06:14] <pepinillo> is that another widet??
[06:14] <pepinillo> sweet...
[06:14] <DaSkreech> yes
[06:15] <Texas> what packages do i need to download to make java chatrooms work
[06:15] <pepinillo> dp you know the name of the widget??
[06:15] <DaSkreech> system tray
[06:15] <DaSkreech> !java | texas
[06:16] <gaoC> kde look isn't loading :(
[06:16] <pepinillo> thanks...
[06:16] <pepinillo> I'll get on that now!!!
[06:17] <pepinillo> you guys are my heroes!!!!!!
[06:17] <pepinillo> XOXOXOXOXOXOXO
[06:18] <DaSkreech> play around with what's there to get an idea
[06:18] <pepinillo> it is now officially SUPER SWEET
[06:18] <marc> webcams in kubuntu, dont work
[06:19] <pepinillo> my webcam doens't work in ANY linux distro...
[06:20] <pepinillo> tried all kinds of programs, drivers, etceteras...
[06:22] <pepinillo> you can even add new desktops so you can see like 3 or 4 at once??!!! SWEET!!
[06:22] <wastrel> ok cheers. maybe 4.3 will work for me :]
[06:22] <syockit> I had a working webcam, but don't use it anymore
[06:22] <pepinillo> stupid drivers
[06:22] <Socceroos> I'm having trouble getting strigi to index files. Can someone help?
[06:22] <syockit> pepinillo: yeah, but I wish I can attach each desktop to each workspace
[06:23] <Socceroos> the System Settings dialog just keeps saying that strigi is not running.
[06:23] <pepinillo> I had this REAAALLLY old ibm pc cam... worked fine... newer one, total bummer...
[06:23] <Socceroos> I'm using KDE 4.2
[06:25] <syockit> Texas: konversation be good enough
[06:25] <syockit> wait, what did i say?
[06:28] <Taggnostr> hello
[06:29] <Socceroos> apachelogger: ping
[06:29] <Taggnostr> I'm running kubuntu inside virtualbox and the altgr and a few other buttons don't seem to work properly, but apparently the problem is not vbox, do you know how can I check if they are seen by kubuntu and how I can fix the problem?
[06:31] <Taggnostr> I just tried with the virtual keyboard and they don't seem to work either
[06:31] <Taggnostr> is there some package related to the keyboard that I can reinstall maybe?
[06:31] <pepinillo> could it be the keyboard setting??? that it's configured to another language??
[06:32] <pepinillo> I've done that...
[06:33] <Taggnostr> I'm checking now, but I didn't change anything, and also it should print the wrong character if the layout was wrong
[06:34] <syockit> Taggnostr: you can try the Keyboard & Mouse settings. then go to any shortcuts tab, select a custom shortcut, then try assigning keys
[06:35] <Taggnostr> ok, now I have an error while trying to change the layout
[06:37] <Taggnostr> I've enabled the keyboard layouts in the international settings and select two of them, but the tray icon show 'err' and says "Error changin keyboard layout to 'us'" or the other layouts I tried
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Taggnostr: what's your keyboard set to?
[06:48] <Taggnostr> us or fi
[06:49] <Taggnostr> actually, I just had fi, and it stopped to work (i think after an update), if I enable different keyboard layouts I get that error
[06:55] <Taggnostr> maybe I've found something http://www.nabble.com/Keyboard-layout-problem-with-xkeyboard-config-1.0-td11780848.html
[06:59] <tbr281> can someone help me with the package signing key for the repository on the kde 4.2 page?
[07:00] <tbr281> i try to add it but nothing happens when i enter the command
[07:05] <Taggnostr> it's not working
[07:13] <DaSkreech> tbr281: Should ask for your password
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Taggnostr: What is it doing?
[07:14] <Taggnostr> I create the dir as suggested there but I still can't change layout, I'm trying to reinstall xkb packages
[07:15] <Taggnostr> I don't know what packages I should reinstall
[07:17] <Taggnostr> I guess that there's something that has to be recompiled, but I don't know what/how
[07:20] <syockit> how about trying guest addons?
[07:22] <Taggnostr> trying to reinstall them?
[07:22] <syockit> so you have it already
[07:23] <Taggnostr> yep, but I can try to reinstall them
[07:26] <Sady> hi. Im trying to get my aqualung working. When I start to open the progman it says that "no output dirver spedivied" and "no usable output driver was found" It tells me that OSS driver (which I use) "device busy". So how I can "free" my oss drived so that the program could even start?
[07:27] <Sady> I'm not listen any music at the moment and there has been problems with oss driver before. It always says that the driver is busy and it wont work because of that. I'm not sure which program makes it "busy".
[07:28] <Sady> for the note: I'm trying to get another musicplayer  because Amarok is slow. laggy and it wont work correctly.
[07:29] <syockit> Taggnostr: what does xev output when you press them buttons
[07:29] <Taggnostr> xev?
[07:30] <syockit> get a console running, run xev
[07:30] <syockit> it will open a small window, select it, then do some clicks or presses
[07:30] <syockit> then check the console again
[07:32] <syockit> Sady: try lsof | egrep '/dev/dsp|/dev/snd'
[07:34] <Sady> what does it do exactly?
[07:36] <syockit> Sady: lists programs using those devices
[07:36] <syockit> assuming your sound hardware is those two
[07:39] <Sady> I cant get it working
[07:40] <Sady> it says status erro when I try "lsof /dev/dps"
[07:41] <syockit> how about with sudo? but that's strange...
[07:41] <Sady> noup
[07:43] <Sady> about the egrep it says command not found
[07:44] <Sady> is there another way to see the list of programs using those devices?
[07:44] <syockit> anyways lsof /dev/dsp should be the same. I thought it needed a grep
[07:45] <Sady> yeah I can type that and it says nothing just blank and when I use the egrep it says that command not found
[07:45] <syockit> okay, but you should have a grep. try lsof | grep /dev/snd
[07:45] <Sady> oh wow now
[07:45] <Sady> I did "lsof | grep /dev/snd/ and it ... said something
[07:45] <syockit> got them pid yet?
[07:46] <Sady> "artsd, artsd, artsd, kmix, kmix and last amarokapp
[07:46] <syockit> pid is the magic number after the app name
[07:46] <Sady> 5981
[07:46] <syockit> kill -9 5981
[07:46] <Sady> kill artsd?
[07:47] <syockit> what kde are you using btw?
[07:47] <syockit> oss is so legacy
[07:47] <Sady> I'm using old one
[07:47] <Sady> not the newest I think it was 3.5 or something
[07:48] <Sady> 3.5.10
[07:48] <Sady> so would you tell me why I do kill -9 5981?
[07:50] <syockit> I'm not used to ways of 3.5. It uses arts daemon instead
[07:50] <syockit> you had a list of programs using things in /dev/snd/ right?
[07:50] <syockit> don't kill artsd or kmix
[07:50] <syockit> just the unwanted program
[07:50] <Sady> ok
[07:51] <Sady> and which one is the unwanted? amarokapp?
[07:51] <syockit> probably. Is amarok running?
[07:51] <Sady> yeah
[07:51] <Sady> just killed it though
[07:51] <Sady> and now its not there anymore
[07:51] <syockit> Oh. Next time check amarok settings to see what audio backend it's using
[07:52] <Sady> umm
[07:52] <syockit> whether it's alsa,arts,sdl,pulseaudio,etc etc
[07:52] <Sady> it's automatic
[07:52] <Sady> and it uses xine as the motor
[07:52] <Sady> xine uses oss
[07:52] <Taggnostr> sorry, I lost the connection
[07:53] <Sady> anyway I killed the amarok, the amarokapp removed from the lsof list but it wont still open aqualung it says that oss drived device is busy and that alsa driver device is busy
[07:54] <syockit> yup, I think alsa is being used by either kmix or artsd
[07:54] <Sady> of ff***
[07:54] <syockit> And aqualung should be told to use either
[07:56] <Sady> so how do I do that?
[07:56] <RurouniJones> I need to nuke (securely erase) a server's filesystem. Any suggestions as to what program to use? (It is via SSH so no sledgehammering suggestions :))
[07:57] <Sady> it tells me that no output drived specified, probing for a usable drived. I did try to tell" aqualung -d oss /dev/snd/"
[07:57] <syockit> Sady: anyways let's get your arts daemon restarted. to do that....
[07:57] <Sady> ok ^^
[07:57] <syockit> Sady: wait, can't use alsa instead?
[07:57] <carpii> Rurouni, you sound like someone whos up to no good
[07:57] <Sady> umm I think alsa wont work for my sounddevices, amplifier etc
[07:58] <Taggnostr> maybe now the keyboard is working
[07:58] <Sady> that's why I'm using oos
[07:58] <Sady> *oss
[07:58] <Taggnostr> fixed \o/
[07:58] <Taggnostr> thanks guys
[07:58] <RurouniJones> carpii: And you sound like someone who is overly suspicious
[07:58] <syockit> Sady: kill artsd
[07:59] <syockit> what do you have in /dev/snd anyway?
[07:59] <Sady> in /dev/snd is: control and different parameteres, pcm and seq, timer
[08:00] <syockit> usually I have kmix on /dev/snd/controlC0
[08:00] <Sady> isnt restart a command so that I could do instead of kill jsut restart artsd?
[08:00] <syockit> I'm not sure if artsd have an init.d
[08:00] <syockit> try sudo /etc/init.d/artsd restart
[08:01] <Sady> command not found
[08:01] <Sady> and kill artsd says bash: kill: artsd: arguments must be process or job IDs
[08:01] <Sady> so it wont regonize any artsd
[08:03] <Sady> I did check from my prosesses that I do have two artsd, and the PID for those are: 5981 and 6285
[08:03] <Sady> which one I will kill?
[08:05] <syockit> try both
[08:05] <_r1_> hi
[08:05] <Sady> oh lol :D both
[08:06] <_r1_> I just upgrade to 4.2 and I still have a konsole bug that makes me sad
[08:06] <Sady> killed only the 5981 and the second one should be done by "sudo"
[08:06] <Sady> it did create new artsd with PID : 7501
[08:06] <_r1_> when I launch a term, I lost the last line print
[08:06] <_r1_> Is that a wworkaround about that ?  (except redimention the konsole size each time)
[08:08] <ederico> Hello, I just upgraded to KDE 4.2 (on Kubuntu 8.10) and I'm having problems with Amarok (1.4), basically there is no audio
[08:08] <ederico> it worked fine with KDE 4.1
[08:08] <RurouniJones> To answer my own question - use DD with /dev/random a few times. It isn't going to stop police forensices but it will do for when you are getting rid of an HDD. There you go carpii, now if I was up to evil stuff I succeeded anyway. Thanks for the help...
[08:08] <syockit> Sady: now try aqualung again
[08:08] <Sady> it failed I did try it
[08:09] <syockit> Sady: kill kmix this time
[08:09] <Sady> oh wow :D
[08:09] <carpii> np Rurouni, glad i could be of assistance
[08:09] <syockit> I think your artsd uses alsa
[08:09] <syockit> but you claimed that amarok plays sound...
[08:09] <Sady> killed wont open
[08:09] <sandGorgon> ederico: 8.10 has a bug that it mutes audio. do "alsamixer -Dhw" and unmute everything
[08:09] <Sady> ummm so?
[08:10] <Sady> kmix
[08:10] <syockit> ederico: only KDE upgrade or kernel as well?
[08:11] <mefisto__> if you're using alsa, you can reload it and kill everything using it with: sudo alsa force-reload
[08:11] <ederico> hmmm, the kernel must have been update since I did a fresh install of Kubuntu yesterday
[08:11] <ederico> sandGorgon: I'll test what you said about the muting thing
[08:11] <Sady> force reloaded it
[08:12] <_r1_> and damn kontact still gives me error :(
[08:12] <Sady> aqualung : alsa : unable to start with default params, oss: device busy
[08:12] <syockit> Sady: man that is sure annoying. I wonder what the default params are
[08:13] <syockit> Sady: can you see if amarok still can play sounds?
[08:13] <Sady> opening amarok, it's slow
[08:13] <Sady> yeah
[08:13] <Sady> I can hear my Opeth really good :3
[08:13] <ederico> sandGorgon: awesome, it works! Thanks a lot :)
[08:14] <syockit> Sady: btw lsof /dev/audio as well
[08:14] <Sady> nothign
[08:15] <syockit> Sady: seeing that amarok plays, check the settings for it, see what it's using for audio playback
[08:15] <Sady> xine
[08:15] <syockit> hmm
[08:16] <Sady> opened xine it says auto now
[08:16] <Sady> oh no, its oss :D
[08:16] <syockit> arrggghhhh
[08:16] <syockit> I'm confused as to how these sound server works!
[08:17] <Sady> o.O
[08:17] <Sady> maybe I should just give up, use my shitty laggy amarok and forget trying to have another program for playing music
[08:17] <Sady> I'd like to have one that doesnt crash down once or twice a day, I'm having oo much "songs" in my playlists and the random dosn't work either
[08:18] <syockit> so xine doesn't work with alsa?
[08:18] <syockit> aqualung is beta, can't guarantee it won't crash
[08:18] <Sady> pfft like I care amarok crashed everyday?
[08:19] <Sady> changed it to alsa nothing
[08:19] <syockit> and that laggy thing might have something to do with oss
[08:19] <Sady> I can still hear my music
[08:19] <Sady> xines now alsa
[08:19] <syockit> exit amarok, see if it still resides in memory i.e. lsof | grep /dev/snd
[08:20] <syockit> or get the alsa-oss wrapper solution
[08:20] <Sady> hehe killed my amarok and I can still hear my music <3
[08:20] <Sady> sweet
[08:20] <Sady> ok it's down now. slow as shit
[08:21] <syockit> but since aqualung has alsa support built-in, alsa-oss shouldn't be required anyway
[08:21] <syockit> so is there anything amarok in lsof?
[08:21] <Sady> ok now I did get my music killed
[08:21] <syockit> That's like totally slow, dude!
[08:21] <syockit> Is it that laggy
[08:22] <Sady> IT IS
[08:23] <syockit> by the way about kill and pid, if you want to kill by program name, use backtick
[08:23] <Sady> pfft
[08:23] <Sady> I need to go to the university next
[08:23] <syockit> not quotes. for example: kill `pidof amarokapp` instead of kill 'pidof amarokapp'
[08:24] <syockit> pidof gives you the pid for that app
[08:24] <Sady> :O
[08:24] <Sady> ok thnx
[08:24] <syockit> well then, too bad I wasn't a good help this time
[08:24] <syockit> wish you luck next time!
[08:24] <Sady> maybe I'll come back later if I have any time
[08:24] <Sady> ok ^^
[08:28] <marcel> how many GB can manage ubuntu ?
[08:28] <Ch1ppy> in soviet russia, ubuntu manage GB!
[08:29] <marcel> i don't live in russia !
[08:29] <Ch1ppy> it's a joke
[08:29] <marcel> i see, sorry
[08:29] <Ch1ppy> no worries
[08:30] <marcel> 4 GB ? or more ?
[08:30] <stdin> what do you mean, RAM?
[08:30] <marcel> RAM memory
[08:30] <stdin> 32bit install can handle 4GB, 64bit install can handle anything you could possibly have
[08:30] <marcel> i have 32 machine, (little endian)
[08:31] <hellhound_> after installing 8.10 and then installing the restricted nvidia driver, I am not longer able to boot into x ... i just get the command prompt... startx reveals no devices found     can anyone help?
[08:31] <marcel> thanks
[08:31] <robinr> stdin: isn't it more like 3.5 GB on 32-bit, i.e. some is wasted for I/O and such things
[08:32] <stdin> robinr: yeah, there is some overhead, but if you only have a 32bit CPU there's little you can do about that
[08:33] <robinr> yeah, they still exist, but are rarely equipped with as much as 4 GB anyway
[08:33] <robinr> unless they are servers
[08:33] <robinr> i.e. the limitation i per process, not in total I think
[08:40] <stdin> robinr: it should be total (think multi-core CPUs)
[08:41] <stdin> you can only address 3GB in 32 bits
[08:42] <hellhound_> after installing 8.10 and then installing the restricted nvidia driver, I am not longer able to boot into x ... i just get the command prompt... startx reveals no devices found     can anyone help?
[08:48] <carpii> hellhound, try moving your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a different name
[08:48] <carpii> it should at least get you back into low res X
[08:50] <mefisto__> hellhound_: then maybe pastebin the problem xorg.conf for us
[09:00] <esp1> anyone know where i have to append ".ogv" to be able to type mplayer start of filename of an ogv file and be able to hit tab and get the filename?
[09:11] <carpii> does kmail have any option to popup a floating window when i get new mail?
[09:11] <johnflux_> carpii: settings->configure notifications
[09:11] <carpii> oh got it, thanks!
[09:19] <Pabix> Hello, I have the latest Kubuntu intrepid, and I have problems with windows focus. Sometimes I have to focus a window out, and to focus it back in, to be able to type anything inside
[09:20] <hellhound> i just installed 8.10 and after activating the restricted nvidia driver and rebooting I can no longer get into x.  if i type startx i get "(EE) No devices detected." and "Fatal server error: no screens found"  I have put my xorg file on pastebin at http://pastebin/m29b60d2    can anyone PLEASE help?
[09:23] <chris-rc1> hi
[09:24] <chris-rc1> i would like to change the size of an applet in amarok 2. is there a way to do it?
[09:45] <knic> what is a good application to create new users, kuser doesn't copy another user so it makes setting up new users difficult
[09:55] <alarm> goodmorning , a question please. when my kubuntu is loading it stops at a point (progress bar stage) , and does no go on with booting until i press enter. sometimes this happens also while i am logging into kde that it needs a key to be pressed to go on.
[09:55] <alarm> what could it be that awaits a key to go on ? how could i see where it stops responding and doesnt go on with the booting
[10:01] <techbw> hi can anyone help me find a program that works with garmin gps, and also supports loading of thier maps
[10:03] <william__> hello, are there know issues with kde 4.2 and samba
[10:04] <william__> samba network filebrowsing never worked in kde 4.1 but I was hoping the situation was improved in 4.2
[10:04] <william__> does kde 4.2 depend on samba 4 or something?
[10:04] <jon_> Hello folks.
[10:27] <aname> hi, does anyone know about problems with the intel gma 950? Got a really bad performance
[10:29] <piquadrat> Anyone knows where gpg --genkey puts the generated keys? They arent in the working directory and I can't find them nowhere else
[10:30] <stdin> piquadrat: probably in ~/.gnupg in your private keyring. if you want to export it to a file use gpg --export
[10:31] <piquadrat> stdin: that sounds reasonable. Thanks!
[10:38] <fidji> Someone know an issue to using Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX Dual Analog + DVB-T (VT8251 Ultra VLINK Controller) ?
[10:40] <bizkit> yar
[10:40] <bizkit> i is back
[10:45] <Ketrel> (if I get it working, I'll share here ;) )
[10:46] <lokai> what does the error "protocol error: bad mode" mean after the password prompt when using scp?
[10:54] <failers> hi when im trying to start up the live cd it gives alot of these 2 errors "end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1424592 and Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 355148 . what can i do :| ?
[10:57] <yao_ziyuan> is it normal that bovo, gwenview are always "not upgraded"?
[10:58] <syockit> yao_ziyuan: maintainer busy
[11:08] <marcel> bye
[11:09] <stalker314314> hi, kde 4.2 is very slow on startup. splash screen comes to last icon, and it just stops for 3-4 minutes, anyone have idea?
[11:10] <stalker314314> sometimes it shows in desktop 'process for desktop protocol died unexpectedly'
[11:14] <syockit> stalker314314: is this first time starting up?
[11:14] <fix90> i've finished updating my linux. but, there are a popup window that says there is a crash handler. i don't know what to do....
[11:14]  * bizkit is away: Gone away for now
[11:19]  * bizkit is back.
[11:24] <ipe> hello, what i have to do ćos idont know when i have caps lock on or off without borin test with another prog
[11:29]  * bizkit is away: Gone away for now
[11:33] <IICUX> hi
[11:34] <IICUX> i update kubuntu 8.4 to kubuntu 8.10 and got error
[11:34] <IICUX> Read only file system
[11:34] <IICUX> X-Server not start
[11:35] <IICUX> log daemon also
[11:35] <ipe> Hi IICUX,you may better install new pure installation i guess,,, any ideas for my caps lock broblem
[11:36] <nexus10> Hi. I want to fix a Kubuntu 6.06 machine that was being upgraded with do-release-upgrade -- and it crashed, leaving system with no net access. What CDs do I need to burn? 8.04 install?
[11:37] <legate> nexus10: You want to make a fresh install?
[11:37] <Barbadillo> hi, is it the actual kde4.2 package the final release?
[11:39] <IICUX> system can't mount drives
[11:39] <nexus10> legate: no, I'd rather upgrade -- but I'm not familiar enough with Kubuntu/Ubuntu to know the best way (I'm ok with core Linux)
[11:39] <legate> Barbadillo: Yes, KDE 4.2 is now final. You can get it following the instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.
[11:40] <Barbadillo> legate: i got a problem they say solved but it is not
[11:40] <legate> nexus10: An upgrade from such an old version as 6.06 may not be advisable. I would make a fresh install with an 8.10 CD, but you can try to upgrade it.
[11:40] <legate> Barbadillo: Which?
[11:41] <Barbadillo> korganizer crash
[11:41] <Barbadillo> legate: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180655
[11:41] <nexus10> legate: ok, thanks. If I try an upgrade first, what path would you recommend?
[11:42] <nexus10> legate: and specifically, since the machine has no net access, what CDs would I need?
[11:42] <legate> nexus10: Use the Adept Package Manager. But please, first save all your personal data on a USB stick or extern hard disk.
[11:42] <nexus10> legate: good advice :-)
[11:42] <nexus10> legate: can I use cmdline tools?
[11:43] <legate> nexus10: You can download the 8.10 iso from http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu.
[11:43] <techbw> hi when creating a partition with gparted, does it format the partition for use as well?
[11:43] <legate> nexus10: Oh sorry, that's for a fresh install.
[11:43] <Barbadillo> legate: this is my version according to "About->KDE" -> 4.2.00 (KDE 4.2.0)
[11:44] <nexus10> legate: I was hoping to keep KDE 3.5...
[11:44] <nexus10> hence 8.04
[11:44] <techbw> !gparted
[11:44] <legate> nexus10: I don't know if it is possible to upgrade without access to the Internet. Is there no possibility to connect this machine?
[11:44] <nexus10> legate: not atm
[11:45] <nexus10> legate: I may boot it with a gentoo livecd, mount the HD so I can back up to USB stick...
[11:45] <Paddy_EIRE> Is there any way for me to install the KOffice 2.0 Beta 5 release via 'apt-get' I am currently running 8.10 kde4.2
[11:46] <nexus10> legate: but I dunno enough about (K)ubuntu networking to know what's wrong
[11:46] <legate> nexus10: Sorry, but I don't know if it is possible to make an offline upgrade. :(
[11:46] <Paddy_EIRE> nm got it
[11:46] <nexus10> legate: ok, ta. Any other CDS I should take apart from an 8.04 install?
[11:47] <jim_p> hi people
[11:47] <jim_p> how can i configure my kde4 kdm?
[11:48] <legate> Barbadillo: Well, it says that it's fixed, so it probably is. Is this really your problem? When it crashes on your system, do you get the same stack trace?
[11:49] <legate> nexus10: What do you mean? The only thing you need in order to install an 8.04 system is the 8.04 iso. But without network access you won't get any updates.
[11:50] <nexus10> legate: I wondered whether there were any "utility" ubuntu images...
[11:50] <legate> nexus10: You mean some additional applications?
[11:50] <nexus10> legate: on somne distros,
[11:51] <nexus10> legate: there's a tools disk -- minimal boot, partition editor, reiserfstools etc
[11:52] <nexus10> legate: if there is no ubuntu-specific one I'll take a gentoo one
[11:53] <jim_p> how can i configure my kde4 kdm themes and options?
[11:54] <legate> nexus10: Sorry, but I don't know anything about a Kubuntu "tools disk".
[11:54] <Barbadillo> legate: it is different the backtrace
[11:54] <nexus10> legate: np, thank you. I'll plan on attempting to fix networking so I can retry the upgrade, and failing that will do fresh install
[11:55] <Barbadillo> legate: is something about libkcal...
[11:55] <legate> nexus10: Ok, no problem.
[11:55] <legate> Barbadillo: Then it's another bug. You may want to search the database for it and if you don't find it you can file a new report.
[11:58] <Paddy_EIRE> hey I was trying to install "koffice-kde4" and I could interupted halfway through the install by a graphical password request which I did not notice in time.. now I get this http://pastebin.ca/1322697
[11:58] <Paddy_EIRE> *I got interrupted
[11:58] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[11:59] <alarm> hey, where can i find all the services running at the moment and be able to modify their start up status ?
[12:02] <Dragonmaster> Is there any way to find out why I have no sound?  I did a fresh install and right now doing updates.
[12:02] <jim_p> how can i configure my kde4 kdm themes and options?
[12:02] <legate> Paddy_EIRE: You have KDE 4.2?
[12:02] <Paddy_EIRE> yes
[12:02] <Dragonmaster> I am running the older KDE.
[12:03] <legate> Paddy_EIRE: Please read http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2. Section 8.10 (Intrepid) explains your problem. You can't install that package.
[12:03] <Paddy_EIRE> ah
[12:03] <Paddy_EIRE> legate: thank you for the info :)
[12:04] <Paddy_EIRE> I should read before I leap sometimes
[12:04] <legate> Paddy_EIRE: You're welcome. :)
[12:04] <Dragonmaster> Is there a command t find out what sound card is installed?
[12:05] <legate> Dragonmaster: It's possible that the update included your sound system. So you might want to wait until the update is finished and then reboot.
[12:05] <Paddy_EIRE> so I take it a purge of koffice and autoremove are in order
[12:05] <Dragonmaster> Okay legate.
[12:05] <Dragonmaster> Thank you.
[12:05] <legate> Dragonmaster: No problem. :)
[12:05] <Dragonmaster> I tried ubuntu, but don't like it so I went to kubuntu.
[12:06] <Dragonmaster> Couldn't get a high resolution, onl 640x480 or 800x600.
[12:06] <legate> Paddy_EIRE: I thought the installation failed?
[12:09] <alarm> any gui for manipulating system services  ?
[12:09] <Paddy_EIRE> legate: yeah it did.. most dependencies where left behind
[12:09] <Paddy_EIRE> although the suite seemed to be there
[12:09] <Paddy_EIRE> :/
[12:10] <Paddy_EIRE> gah.. and the damn icons are still listed in lancelot.. I must reload the DE
[12:10] <legate> Paddy_EIRE: Interesting. But you're quite right, removing koffice and running autoremove is ok, I think.
[12:10] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah it worked
[12:10] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[12:10] <Paddy_EIRE> brb
[12:16] <jim_p> how can i configure my kde4 kdm themes and options?
[12:16] <Dragonmaster> Jim_p, have you tried system settings?
[12:17] <jim_p> Dragonmaster, i have, its all greyed out. plus i cant               sudo systemsetings      :|
[12:17] <Dragonmaster> OKay.
[12:18] <Dragonmaster> I am running KDE 3.5.10
[12:18] <jim_p> Dragonmaster, let me pastebin the error
[12:18] <Dragonmaster> I don't think I can be of any assistance.
[12:18] <Dragonmaster> Sorry.  I am new also.
[12:19] <jim_p> <unknown program name>(2168)/: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server
[12:19] <jim_p> <unknown program name>(2166)/: KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.
[12:19] <bottiger> is there a way to make the "preview" enabled by default in dolphin ?
[12:26] <thinkgnu> i installed firefox in kubuntu 8.10 (kde 4.2) ,  i could run it with krunner , but i don't see it in menus
[12:27] <nargzul> Bonjour
[12:27] <nargzul> J'ai une petite question
[12:29] <syockit> !fr | nargzul
[12:29] <nargzul> Ok I'm sorry ;)
[12:30] <thinkgnu> does anybody knows what can i do to bring it to menus
[12:30] <thinkgnu> ?
[12:31] <thinkgnu> !
[12:31] <nargzul> I've just a question, on kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2 final, I've a problem with sound: My applications doesn't have sound(amarok, firefox, ...), but when I go in the configuration panel under the "Multimedia" section, if I click "Test", I ear the sound perfectly. What is the problem?
[12:33] <syockit> nargzul: not using pulseaudio?
[12:34] <nargzul> I don't know this programm and he isn't installed
[12:34] <dragonmaster> I did updates and still no sound in Kubuntu.
[12:36] <dragonmaster> is there a command to find out if a sound card is installed and what it is?
[12:37] <syockit> lspci | grep Audio
[12:37] <dragonmaster> Thank you
[12:37] <syockit> if that doesn't work, try Sound instead
[12:38] <lobster> Cheese will not find my Logitech/Acer Orbitcam webcam, it used to work in Hardy Heron
[12:38] <dragonmaster> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[12:40] <nargzul> No-one has an idea for my problem?
[12:41] <syockit> too vague
[12:41] <koperton> what's your problem
[12:41] <koperton> ?
[12:41] <syockit> no sound in apps, but sound works when testing in Multimedia
[12:42] <syockit> dragonmaster: and what is your problem?
[12:42] <syockit> dragonmaster: kubuntu version?
[12:42] <nargzul> yeah thx syockit
[12:42] <dragonmaster> Kubuntu 8.10, I believe.  KDE 3.5.10.  No sound at all for anything.
[12:42] <koperton> check  better your mixer
[12:43] <koperton> no your can't have kde3.5 on kubuntu 8.10
[12:43] <dragonmaster> I am looking at a webpage now to see if there is a fix.
[12:43] <syockit> dragonmaster: please lsb_release -a
[12:43] <dragonmaster> I know this is KDE 3.5.10.  I thought the Kubuntu was 8.1
[12:44] <koperton> you have 8.04
[12:44] <koperton> anyway check it wiht syockit command in a terminal
[12:44] <koperton> lsb_release -a
[12:44] <dragonmaster> 8.04.2
[12:45] <koperton> ok you have 8.04
[12:45] <koperton> with some upgrades
[12:45] <dragonmaster> No LSB modules are available.
[12:46] <syockit> dragonmaster: don't forget the -a
[12:47] <dragonmaster> I used "lsb_release -a" no quotes.
[12:47] <syockit> oh, I see you got it
[12:47] <syockit> sorry
[12:47] <dragonmaster> That is okay.
[12:48] <dragonmaster> That was of no help (the website).
[12:49] <syockit> nargzul: in Multimedia>Backend, do you have xine listed>
[12:49] <nargzul> yes
[12:49] <syockit> nargzul: and what are the available output devices, in Device Preferences?
[12:50] <nargzul> HDA intel (ALC660-VD Analog)
[12:50] <dragonmaster> What should I try next?
[12:50] <nargzul> and pulseaudio
[12:50] <syockit> so you do have pulseaudio
[12:50] <koperton> omg pulse?
[12:50] <syockit> but the apps should work without it
[12:50] <koperton> kubuntu don't need of pulse
[12:50] <syockit> koperton: don't worry. pulse runs fine on my system
[12:50] <nargzul> but when I type "pulseaudio" in the command line, it's saying that I'vn't this application
[12:51] <syockit> nargzul: oic
[12:51] <nargzul> syockit:  oic?
[12:51] <syockit> nargzul: oh i see
[12:51] <nargzul> syockit: scuse me, english isn't my first language ;)
[12:51] <syockit> sorry
[12:52] <nargzul> Np ;)
[12:52] <syockit> if you start amarok, can you see the preferences
[12:52] <dragonmaster> No sound under test sound either.
[12:53] <nargzul> syockit: yes, What must I check?
[12:53] <syockit> what sound device is it using
[12:54] <nargzul> Automatic ^^
[12:54] <nargzul> but the sound system is xine
[12:54] <dragonmaster> Did I say/do something wrong?
[12:54] <dragonmaster> I am getting no help.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> People pop in and out all day
[12:55] <Dr_willis> lag/dissconects/dog on fire...
[12:55] <syockit> no, you didn't do anything wrong
[12:55] <Dr_willis> sometimes they got to go do somthin gthen be back. :)
[12:56] <dragonmaster> Can you help me to get sound working.  Mixer says VT8235
[12:58] <ipe> I have kubuntu 8.10 and my keyboard has no caps lock light to show up if its on or off.is there any kind of widget or something to do that job
[12:58] <dragonmaster> brb
[12:59] <sandGorgon> syockit: i hope you have unmuted ALL devices using "alsamixer -Dhw"
[12:59] <khalidmian> can one add google gadgets to plasmoids
[12:59] <Dr_willis> ipe,  ive seen some things.. but not sure if theres any that are kde4 specific.
[13:00] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  from what i read in the release notes.. yes.
[13:00] <syockit> sandGorgon: shouldn't that be dragonmaster?
[13:00] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  but ive never seen it done
[13:00] <sandGorgon> oh yeah .. sorry
[13:00] <dragonmaster> Yes?
[13:00] <sandGorgon> dragonmaster: [18:29] <sandGorgon> syockit: i hope you have unmuted ALL devices using "alsamixer -Dhw"
[13:00] <khalidmian> Dr_willis: pls provide link on release notes
[13:01] <syockit> nargzul: so is there sound in amarok with alsa selected?
[13:01] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  the url in the topic is what i read. and followed.
[13:01] <syockit> nargzul: you probably need to exit it first, then run it again
[13:01] <nargzul> syockit: so an idea? I've tested all drivers in amarok, and only the alsa don't make a driver error, and I've always no sounds
[13:01] <nargzul> ok
[13:01] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  they even had some videos.  showing the features..but i dident watch them all.
[13:01] <khalidmian> Dr_willis: sorry what url
[13:01] <syockit> also, try sandGordo's solution
[13:01] <dragonmaster> Nothing is on mute.  Fresh install and updates.  No sound.
[13:02] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  the one in this channels TOPIC.. KDE 4.2  out ..................
[13:02] <sandGorgon> nargzul: same thing for you, i hope you have unmuted ALL devices using "alsamixer -Dhw".. dont depend on the UI
[13:02] <syockit> dragonmaster: yeah, actually that's a hardware problem
[13:02] <dragonmaster> I was able to get 1024x768 screen working via System Settings - Monitor setup.
[13:02] <syockit> dragonmaster: acer aspire users are also facing the same problem
[13:02] <syockit> not Dr_williss tho
[13:03] <nargzul> syockit: no sound after reboot
[13:03] <sandGorgon> ubuntu 8.10 has a bug in which certain sound devices are muted by default on a clean install
[13:03] <nargzul> sandGorgon: ok I will try this
[13:03] <dragonmaster> I have some old PCI sound blaster/Sound Blaster wannabe cards.  Will those work?
[13:03] <syockit> hee hee vintage! might work
[13:03] <Dr_willis> syockit,  what issue? got my AAO right here. :)
[13:04] <nargzul> sandGorgon: How do we see if anything is muted?
[13:04] <syockit> You know, that "no sound in Aspire" thing last time
[13:04] <Dr_willis> dragonmaster,  are they real soudnblaster cards?
[13:04] <syockit> not aspire one tho
[13:04] <Dr_willis> syockit,   :)  ok. My AAO runs linux great. Using EEebuntu on it righ now
[13:05] <sandGorgon> nargzul: you will see MM below a column.. you need to go on it and press "M" to mute/unmute it
[13:05] <syockit> nargzul: right click on volume control on system tray. select show mixer. click mixer button
[13:05] <dragonmaster> A couple are, yes.
[13:05] <khalidmian> Dr_willis: didnt find any info there except for 4.2 info
[13:05] <dragonmaster> Sound Blaster PCI 128
[13:06] <ubuntu_> francais
[13:06] <ubuntu_> french
[13:06] <nargzul> so MM is muted? and 00 is unmuted?
[13:06] <ubuntu_> kubuntu french
[13:06] <sandGorgon> you need to unmute and then press the up arrow to increase. yes .. MM is muted
[13:06] <Dr_willis> For more information about the release itself, please see the Release Announcement <-----------------
[13:07] <syockit> ?
[13:07] <StR|Sangreal> hello
[13:07] <syockit> !fr | ubuntu_
[13:07] <ubuntu_> thank you
[13:08] <StR|Sangreal> pls how can i switch to slovak language, menu, softwares, manuals and so when i have installed the english distro by default?
[13:08] <syockit> Hmm, I can work that out a bit. Ce=the, canal=channel, est=is, en=a, anglais=english, uniquement=one
[13:09] <nargzul> Ho ? It's works :D, I absolutely don't understand, I just mute and unmute the "CD"
[13:09] <syockit> StR|Sangreal: in System Settings, go to Regional and Language settings
[13:09] <StR|Sangreal> please, how can i switch my distro language to svk?
[13:09] <StR|Sangreal> ok i will try
[13:09] <sandGorgon> nargzul: music is working now ?
[13:09] <StR|Sangreal> rhx
[13:09] <legate> StR|Sangreal: Go to System Settings -> Regional & Language and set it there.
[13:10] <nargzul> the demo sound of amarok works
[13:10] <nargzul> firefox too
[13:10] <syockit> nargzul: firefox?
[13:10] <syockit> nargzul: wow great!
[13:10] <sandGorgon> nargzul: :) so it pretty much is up
[13:10] <syockit> some things work mysteriously
[13:10] <sandGorgon> i have lost count of how many people I had to give this suggestion too.... hope someone fixes it by next beta!
[13:11] <nargzul> flash video in firefox ;)
[13:11] <syockit> StR|Sangreal: then install your language first, then select system language
[13:12] <syockit> sandGorgon: does that include muting and unmuting the CD?
[13:12] <nargzul> thanks an lot syockit and sandGorgon :D
[13:13] <nargzul> *a lot
[13:13] <sandGorgon> syockit: well my rule of thumb is to a) unmute everything b) to set "mic as output" to MUTE c) select a "Capture" device... and both sound and mic works!
[13:13] <syockit> hmm, that should be put on the wiki
[13:13] <ryxxed> if i do aptitude install firefox on my 64bit kubuntu, will i get the 64bit firefox or 32bit?
[13:13] <dzigy> kykysegi
[13:14] <Dr_willis> ryxxed,  should be 64bit
[13:14] <ryxxed> good, i don't want to download it just to find out it's 32 bit
[13:14] <dzigy> альо гараж
[13:14] <dzigy> )
[13:15] <dzigy> есть кто живой?
[13:15] <syockit> does that read albo garash?
[13:15] <syockit> est kto zhivoy?
[13:16] <syockit> !ru
[13:17] <dzigy> may be i`ll visit ubuntu ru
[13:17] <edgy> Hi, when I configure some settings like screen resolution and konsole font size and email settings and reboot my computer, those changes got lost from kde, any one noticed this?
[13:24] <mahmood> hhi
[13:24] <mahmood> hi
[13:25] <Dr_willis> hhii
[13:26] <mahmood> my kubuntuhave prolble
[13:26] <mahmood> problem with KDE 4.2
[13:26] <syockit> salam, go on
[13:27] <mahmood> salam
[13:27] <NotSure> whats going on... went to the website and downloaded kde4.2  installed it and it had the little loading box reporting 4.1????    any help?
[13:28] <syockit> NotSure: how did you install? which website?
[13:28] <Dr_willis> I just followed the guide given iun the TOPIC.. and used apt-get update
[13:28] <NotSure> latest kde website....  fresh partition install
[13:28] <mahmood> yes
[13:28] <mahmood> from launchpad
[13:29] <Dr_willis> 'loadinb box' = the kde splash when it loads? check the about... info in a kde program..
[13:30] <mahmood> yes
[13:30] <Dr_willis> thats just showing a graphics image that may not been updated
[13:31] <syockit> wait, I'm confused as to who said which? How many people are in this discussion?
[13:31] <mahmood> me
[13:32] <syockit> mahmood: which launchpad ppa did you download from? Have you restarted kde?
[13:33] <mahmood> by add this commond deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[13:33] <mahmood> yes
[13:33] <Dr_willis> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[13:33] <Dr_willis> then apt-get update, upgrade..
[13:33] <Dr_willis> I think thats all i did
[13:34] <syockit> don't forget to restart
[13:35] <mahmood> i did it
[13:36] <mahmood> but my kde 4.2 crashed when i open some program such as firefox
[13:36] <syockit> It restarts? to login screen?
[13:37] <mahmood> yes
[13:37] <ryxxed> anyway i can make my firefox fonts the same as kubuntu's
[13:37] <ryxxed> it's kind of annoying
[13:38] <NotSure_> ok... I found the site I downloaded 4.2 from last night... It was as I suspected    the official site...  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2   and after install it was 4.1 in the little loading box during bootup
[13:38] <NotSure_> and looks exactly lijke 4.1
[13:39] <Dr_willis> You did  use the package manager/apt-get ?
[13:39] <syockit> NotSure_: you did it exactly as said in the directions?
[13:39] <Dr_willis> NotSure,  it does use you rold kde settings.. of course..
[13:39] <cdavis> I am switching to kubuntu from ubuntu so sorry if this is obvious. I used tsclient a lot with ubuntu and cannot figure out how to get it into the panel on ubuntu?
[13:40] <mahmood> i have some problem with visual effect too
[13:40] <NotSure_> no,  I wanted to burn a copy for a friend at work
[13:40] <syockit> mahmood: what else crashes? can you start other apps, like amarok, etc
[13:40] <Dr_willis> burn a copy of what exactly? the Kubuntu.iso ?
[13:40] <NotSure_> yeds
[13:40] <NotSure_> yes
[13:40] <syockit> mahmood: it worked in 4.1?
[13:40] <Dr_willis> well.. the kubuntu iso files dont have 4.2 on them
[13:41] <mahmood> yes worked in 4.1
[13:41] <NotSure_> I burned kubuntu 4.2 iso,,,  burned on disc,,,  installed on fresh partition...  reporting 4.1 on initial desktop boot screen
[13:42] <NotSure_> looks and feels like 4.1
[13:42] <mahmood> when i open 2 or more program crash will happen
[13:42] <Dr_willis> Theres a 4.2 iso for Kubuntu? thats amazing fast.. it just was lreleased like this week
[13:42] <syockit> now where have I heard this problem before...
[13:43] <mahmood> what this crash happen in kde 4.2?
[13:43] <syockit> Dr_willis: nope I don't think so... unless jaunty alpha is taken into consideration
[13:43] <Dr_willis> syockit,  thats what i was thinking.. the Kubuntu CD iso images come with 4.1 - you must install then upgrade them to 4.2 if you want 4.2
[13:44] <Dr_willis> Im not seeing any mention of a 4.2 iso at  the kubuntu web site
[13:44] <cdavis> is there something like tsclient that I can use instead on kde?
[13:45] <NotSure_> Ok,,,  I may have stated it incorrectly...  I went to the official kde site at the top of this screen and it is a kubuntu site with latest kde 4.2 iso download...  I look at that as kubuntu kde 4.2...  but what is the difference
[13:45] <NotSure_> it still is suppose to be kde 4.2
[13:45] <Dr_willis> reread the site. its NOT saying the iso file has kde 4.2
[13:45] <Dr_willis> its saying 4.2 has been released as in  the software...
[13:46] <syockit> mahmood: not sure. After crashing, please post your /var/log/kdm.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin
[13:46] <Dr_willis> KDE 4.2 has been released. Users of our development Jaunty version can do a full upgrade to get the latest packages. Packages for 8.10 (Intrepid) are in the kubuntu-experimental PPA.
[13:47] <mahmood> syockit  thanks maan
[13:47] <syockit> I guess they shouldn't put KDE 4.2 Released so big on the top
[13:47] <NotSure_> ok...  that was a very misleading website for a newer guy like me... I dont understand why they make it look like you are downloading 4.2 at that site...
[13:47] <NotSure_> thanks for clearing it up for me
[13:48] <syockit> it was misleading for me too
[13:49] <Dr_willis> I find it very clear. :)
[13:49] <Dr_willis> 4.2 has been released.. ubunt/kubuntu does NOT do 'rolling upgrades' to newer versions like many other disrtos do
[13:50] <Dr_willis> 8.10 will have 4.1 untill the next release of kubuntu - then it wull be using 4.2
[13:50] <Dr_willis> If you want 4.2 you do so 'at your own risk' :) its experimental
[13:51] <NotSure_> any idea when the kubuntu should be released?
[13:51] <malv> the 4.2 packages seem a little crashy
[13:51] <malv> is it because of the packages or because of kde 4.2?
[13:51] <Dr_willis> Proberly both :)
[13:51] <syockit> NotSure_: next version will be released in april, if all goes well
[13:52] <syockit> now another one with 4.2 probs
[13:52] <malv> we need a 3 month release schedule, I cant wait that long
[13:52] <Dr_willis> 8.10 = 2008, 10th month.. 6 mo from then   will be... the next release
[13:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:52] <Dr_willis> 8.16 :)
[13:52] <syockit> malv: now if' you're willing to maintain every releases
[13:52] <malv> we need a 9.02
[13:53] <syockit> gosh, what do you need so many releases for?
[13:53] <malv> they should create two distros, one which releases every year and is supported for 3 years, and one that releases every three months and only the current version is supported
[13:53] <syockit> If you want stability, I'll doubt you can get it polished in short time
[13:54] <malv> three month idea is good because they can integrate in major features like new kernels and desktop environments
[13:54] <malv> they don't have to update everything, just the major features that everyone wants
[13:55] <malv> the primary audiences are: grandma, corporate, technogeek, and developer
[13:55] <Dr_willis> not going to happen any time soon i imagine
[13:55] <NotSure_> thx
[13:56] <Dr_willis> If you want latest stuff theres the experimaneal repos and the PPA repos
[13:56] <syockit> how long should testing be?
[13:56] <malv> will the 4.2 experiemental repo keep up with the 4.2 patches, or do we need to wait till the next kde or kubuntu release to get the fixes?
[13:56] <syockit> say if you're going to support it until next-next version, that's only 6-month shelf0life
[13:57] <malv> which is fine, technogeeks usually update it the day it comes out
[13:57] <malv> grandma, not so much
[13:57] <itai> hi, is it possible to install kde 4.2 in hardy?
[13:57] <syockit> but testing is a great deal. you need to make sure it works
[13:58] <syockit> btw, all these are offtopic and should go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:58] <syockit> itai: sorry, no can do, unless you want to compile on your own
[13:58] <Dr_willis> and i doubt if any changes are going to happen in how the releases happen. :)
[13:59] <malv> i wouldn't expect it
[13:59] <doates> how can i install adobe flash
[13:59] <itai> syockit, is it a temporary thing , or i will never be able to run 4.2 on hardy?
[13:59] <syockit> itai: there are no plans to implement that in hardy
[13:59] <Dr_willis> doates,  i tend to install 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' and it gets flash and other web type bits you proberly want also
[13:59] <failers> hmm i dont have any cds left and i got dual boot whit kubuntu and vista is it possible to somehow reinstall it all thru kubuntu so i only get 1 os?
[14:00] <syockit> itai: but you can, however, temporarily enable repos for later ubuntu version and install it. expect major breakage
[14:00] <malv> turns out my flash troubles were because pcm was muted
[14:00] <malv> strange that pcm can be muted, but you can still get the desktop sounds
[14:00] <asraniel> hi there. is there a particular reason why firefox is so badly integrated in kde? firefox never knows what application to use to open files (like torrent files with ktorrent etc)
[14:00] <syockit> failers: is it okay to delete vista?
[14:00] <Dr_willis> malv,  could be it has the names of the 'mixers' messed up with main/pcm reversed
[14:00] <failers> thats was what i was trying todo syockit
[14:00] <failers> :P
[14:00] <ryxxed> it's okay if you burn it afterwards
[14:01] <ryxxed> and let out the evil microsoft spirits that reside in it with ancient voodoo
[14:01] <failers> i wanna remove vista and only keep kubuntu
[14:01] <blahjake> asraniel: strangely enough, i've found installing firefox-gnome-support makes it a bit better about that under kde as well
[14:01] <failers> but dont got any cds so i can burn kubuntu and reinstall it all
[14:01] <syockit> failers: then you can delete vista partition, move your partition to the beginning of disk, and resize it
[14:01] <ryxxed> personally, i'd overwrite zeros over that hard drive that has vista on it
[14:01] <ryxxed> and then format it sooo many times
[14:01] <itai> syockit, thanks, i'll give it a miss...
[14:01] <dragonmaster> Everything acts as if I have sound, but I don't hear anything.
[14:01] <Dr_willis> You can use Unetbootin or other ways to make a install-thumbdrive
[14:01] <syockit> failers: but if you still want to install, use a usb drive instead
[14:01] <failers> syockit i installed kubuntu thru wubi so vista and kubuntu is on same partition
[14:01] <syockit> ayyyy
[14:01] <ryxxed> don't use wubi
[14:02] <failers> syockit oh that is possible with usb stick?
[14:02] <blahjake> asraniel: you can also make a one-line shell script with this in it: kfmclient exec $1
[14:02] <failers> :o
[14:02] <syockit> failers: yes. refer to dr_willisss
[14:02] <blahjake> asraniel: and when firefox doesn't know the association, use that to open and it will use the kde association
[14:02] <ryxxed> wubi causes more problems than it solves
[14:02] <failers> it installed my kubuntu atleast :)
[14:02]  * Dr_willis votes for wubi to be removed in the next release :)
[14:03] <ryxxed> it's good for taking *buntu for a test drive
[14:03] <ryxxed> but after that it's useless
[14:03] <asraniel> blahjake: and where would that shellscript go and how should it be named?
[14:03] <Dr_willis> I have live cds that work better then wubi :)
[14:03] <failers> but Dr_willis then how to install from usb disk just copy all things on the iso to the usb or? i do know my computer is bootable from a usb but i dont know the part how to get kubuntu on it
[14:03] <dragonmaster> I have music playing in Amarok but no sound.
[14:04] <Dr_willis> failers,  ------>  You can use ' Unetbootin'  or other ways to make a install-thumbdrive
[14:04] <asraniel> blahjake: ah, i got it
[14:04] <syockit> failers: check out unetbootin
[14:04] <ryxxed> failers : as it has already been stated : unetbootin
[14:04] <failers> oki i will thx
[14:04] <Dr_willis> I always use unetbootin now a days
[14:04] <ryxxed> dragonmaster : uh, turn your volume up
[14:04] <dragonmaster> Nevermind.  Seems I didn't have headphones going.  lol
[14:04] <ryxxed> haha
[14:04] <syockit> cool, there's also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Live_USB_creator
[14:05] <Dr_willis> syockit,  yep. that works very well also.
[14:05] <Dr_willis> but im not sure if you can dothat from the live cd. :)
[14:05] <syockit> I think it won't survive wikipedia notability
[14:05] <failers> Currently the tool is only available for Ubuntu, but Windows and KDE versions are planned
[14:05] <syockit> no, he can do it from wubi kubuntu
[14:05] <ryxxed> This is a harmless program [citation needed].
[14:05] <dragonmaster> Linux is getting much better. lol
[14:05] <failers> so didnt help me but im downloading unetbootin now anyway :P
[14:06] <Dr_willis> [citation needed].[citation needed]. on the [citation needed].
[14:06] <Dr_willis> unetbootin - can even download the iso and mke the bootable thumbdrive auomatcally
[14:06] <syockit> failers: I thought you have kubuntu on the windows?
[14:06] <syockit> you can run it from that kubuntu
[14:06] <syockit> aha, i see
[14:06] <syockit> sorry
[14:06] <failers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Live_USB_creator says that kde aint supported :o
[14:06] <Dr_willis> I normally use unetbootin on windows :) lol
[14:07] <Dr_willis> the unetbootin binary works under kubuntu or ubuntu
[14:07] <Dr_willis> or windows
[14:07] <ryxxed> install kde afterwards?
[14:07] <failers> :P
[14:07] <Dr_willis> and it does work with the kubuntu iso files.. and xubuntu, and alternative iso files
[14:07] <failers> what ever unetbootin is installing now so to late ^^
[14:07] <doates> thanks dr_willis!
[14:08] <syockit> nah, installing kubuntu fresh is the best
[14:08] <ssj4Gogeta> This is the first time I'm on an IRC. So it's like a chatroom?
[14:09] <failers> damn unetbottin was a cool and easy software :o
[14:09] <ryxxed> no, it's like google
[14:09] <Dr_willis> IRC is the ORIGINAL chatrooms :)
[14:09] <Dr_willis> unless you call  newsgroups chatrooms.. :)
[14:10] <ssj4Gogeta> ok thanks :)
[14:10] <Dr_willis> but those are  not quite the same..
[14:10] <syockit> I, who came from earlier internet age, don't know of existence of other chatroom apps
[14:10] <ryxxed> yahoo chatroom and so on, so on
[14:10] <ssj4Gogeta> I've used chatrooms in yahoo instant messenger
[14:10] <Dr_willis> I recall compiling IRC (the original irc client called IRC) ages ago :)
[14:10] <Dr_willis> and irc chatting on 'greenbar' printing terminals
[14:11] <failers> haha
[14:11] <malv> i have like three eth0s in knetworkmanager for some reason
[14:11] <Dr_willis> and on bbs systems
[14:11] <ssj4Gogeta> wow
[14:11] <failers> my irc time started around when windows 98 SE was released :P
[14:11] <Dr_willis> My IRC time started in 1986 I think. :)
[14:11] <failers> :o
[14:12] <failers> did internet even exist at that time
[14:12] <failers> haha
[14:12] <ssj4Gogeta> lol i didn't start using internet until 2000
[14:12] <Dr_willis> Internet  = not  exactly
[14:12] <Dr_willis> BBS and FTP sites and IRC = yes
[14:12] <gilles__> hi
[14:12] <Dr_willis> and newsgroups
[14:12] <failers> ok :P
[14:12] <doates> Dr_willis
[14:13] <doates> I keep getting an error trying to install the package
[14:13] <gilles__> anybody here has success with nepomuk + strigi
[14:13] <ssj4Gogeta> So you can get help here about Kubuntu?
[14:13] <ryxxed> pretty much, yeah
[14:13] <Dr_willis> doates,  give the error to the channel wouldbe the best idea
[14:13] <gilles__> "in nepomuk conf it write "strigi service not running"
[14:14] <doates> Error is
[14:14] <doates> APT Error. Context:
[14:14] <doates>     Package download failed,
[14:14] <doates>     I wasn't able to locate a file for the flashblock package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)
[14:14] <gilles__> i'm using kde 4.2
[14:14] <Dr_willis> I dont use flashblock. or i install it  from the firefox extensions sit eon a per user  case..  so NO idea on that.
[14:14] <ssj4Gogeta> cool. I'm new to Linux and I discovered I can do pretty much everything in Kubuntu which I can do in Windows except gaming. I haven't even booted into Windows since I got Kubuntu running properly
[14:16] <failers> ssj4Gogeta if you want gaming checkout what wine and cedega can do :)
[14:16] <Dr_willis> Gaming is for the weak
[14:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:16] <failers> gaming is for the bored pro's
[14:17] <ssj4Gogeta> so cedega and wine will run dx9/10 games?
[14:17] <failers> some
[14:17] <failers> it wont run the bugfree and hazzle free you but some games run
[14:17] <failers> *them
[14:17] <Dr_willis> Ive not seen a DX10 game thats worth running in DX10 mode. :)
[14:18] <ssj4Gogeta> crysis is good in dx10
[14:18] <Dr_willis> They came out with a dx10date to it?
[14:18] <Dr_willis> update :)
[14:18] <ssj4Gogeta> I'll try wine and cedega :)
[14:19] <ssj4Gogeta> no it supported dx10 from the beginning :)
[14:19] <Dr_willis> i played that 'crysis warcry'  the other day. :)
[14:19] <failers> ssj4Gogeta http://appdb.winehq.org/ there you have wich programs and games wine can run and most of them got guides on how to run them etc
[14:19] <malv> comic plasma widget crashes plasma =(
[14:19] <Dr_willis> I dont even recall DX10being out at that time.. but i dont remebmer ;)
[14:19] <ssj4Gogeta> thanks failers :D
[14:20] <failers> oh and cedega costs some money
[14:20] <Heliodor> Hello
[14:20] <failers> so unless you want to pay you should checkout wine only ^^
[14:20] <Heliodor> how can i clean out unused libraries?
[14:20] <Dr_willis> its not really worth it to get cedega much these days
[14:20] <ssj4Gogeta> ok. i'll see...
[14:21] <ssj4Gogeta> I'm having some problem with flash in Firefox too. it doesn't play the sound in videos
[14:21] <ssj4Gogeta> i'll appreciate some help :)
[14:23] <failers> Dr_willis big thanks now its booting the live cd from my usb stick :)
[14:23] <Dr_willis> amazingoriffic eh?
[14:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:23] <failers> yea :)
[14:24] <ssj4Gogeta> the site says I can even run PS CS3 on wine!!!
[14:25] <failers> ssj4Gogeta dont get to excited most apps that are listed runs in wine but comes with plenty of bugs :P
[14:26]  * Dr_willis dosent even know what PS CS3 is
[14:26] <failers> me neither
[14:26] <failers> :P
[14:27] <failers> recomended size on swap partition ? :)
[14:28] <johnflux_> photoshop I think
[14:28] <johnflux_> I've seen the CS code word used for photoshop
[14:28] <Dr_willis> or Counterstrike. :)
[14:28] <palbuddy> hi, help please please?  I'm trying to install Kubuntu and it hangs at the keyboard layout screen
[14:29] <palbuddy> it just sits there, and I can even use this IRC at the same time
[14:29] <SlimeyPete> yeah, PS CS3 == Photoshop (Creative Suite 3)
[14:29] <ssj4Gogeta> any help with my flash issue in firefox..? :)
[14:29] <Dr_willis> !flash
[14:29] <Dr_willis> thats the extent of my info on flash help.
[14:29] <Dr_willis> !sound
[14:30] <ssj4Gogeta> I can play music, but only the music in flash videos doesn't work
[14:30] <Dr_willis> theres some extra lib for flash ive seen mentiond that may help
[14:31] <Dr_willis> but i forget where is aw the info at
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:32] <Dr_willis>  sudo apt-get install libflashsupport
[14:32] <Dr_willis> may help :)
[14:32] <Dr_willis> with flash-sound
[14:32] <ssj4Gogeta> thanks, I'll try that :)
[14:33] <Dr_willis> and thats from the flash url the bot posted.. but some of htose guides are a bit old
[14:33] <palbuddy> anybody know of a good website that has to do with instillation bugs?
[14:33] <Dr_willis> the ubuntu/kubuntu forums
[14:33] <ssj4Gogeta> so ubottu is a bot???
[14:33] <Dr_willis> would be ht eplace to start
[14:33] <Dr_willis> !bot
[14:35] <mofux> hi guys, i'm running kde 4.2. installed from the kubuntu experimental ppa... how can i install the compiz-kde package?
[14:35] <mofux> i'm getting dependancy errors
[14:35] <spectral> Hi, i'm trying to disable ipv6. the kernel module is not loaded, but still i have an ipv6 address showing up in ip/ifconfig. how can i get rid of it?
[14:35] <mofux> caused by libplasma2
[14:36] <ssj4Gogeta> ubuntu bot!! interesting
[14:36] <ssj4Gogeta> !foo
[14:36] <spectral> !ipv6
[14:36] <ssj4Gogeta> !foo is foo
[14:39] <failers> hm
[14:40] <failers> restricted drivers avaible but when i press the driver and click activate nada happends
[14:41] <spectral> well i don't know what's wrong, i thought it was ipv6 interfering. but wget, svn, etc cannot resolve. but it does work with nslookup et al.. any ideas?
[14:42] <eightieskhild> anyone here know how to make firefox go back when you press backspace in Kubuntu?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> spectral,  open the Run Command & type; kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist '  add this line ' blacklist ipv6 '  save the file and reboot  then open the konsole and do:' ip a | grep inet6 '  If there's no output, IPv6 is disabled
[14:43] <spectral> BluesKaj: it isn't listed with lsmod, but ip a still shows inet6 address
[14:44] <BluesKaj> do the above , it will work , don't worry about lsmod
[14:44] <ssj4Gogeta> Firefox tabs aren't rendering correctly in KDE. can someone help me? :)
[14:44] <spectral> what i did was echo 'install ipv6 /bin/true' >/etc/modprobe.d/ipv6
[14:44] <spectral> blacklisting also did not help.. and the alias inet-pf-10 off trick didn't either
[14:45] <BluesKaj> did you reboot ?
[14:45] <spectral> of course
[14:45] <BluesKaj> then I don't know what else to tell you
[14:45] <spectral> :(
[14:46] <eightieskhild> ssj4Gogeta: do you have a nvidia card?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> spectral, your obviously trying this a diff pc , right ?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> on
[14:47] <eightieskhild> anyone here know how to make firefox go back when you press backspace?
[14:47] <eightieskhild> or is it gobal?
[14:47] <spectral> BluesKaj: no, it's on this one.. but, if there is no ipv6 module listed with lsmod, it should be ok?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> spectral, I din't see you leave the chat, so how could you have rebooted ?
[14:48] <spectral> BluesKaj: i have tried that before coming here already
[14:49] <spectral> but just to settle any doubts i can do it again..
[14:49] <BluesKaj> ipv6 is merely disabled , it isn't deleted
[14:49] <K47w0> pk f0r 3v3r
[14:49] <robin0800> eightieskhild: alt and direction keys do this on my laptop
[14:49] <K47w0> h0ll4
[14:50] <hyperboreean> Hi, does anyone know in which package is the mkinitrd located under kubuntu 8.10?
[14:50] <eightieskhild> robin0800 i know i'm just so used to pressing back space ... lol
[14:51] <eightieskhild> robin0800: this is only my 2second day Without windows ever (always used both but mostly windows)
[14:51] <K47w0> sto guardando "Uomini e Donne" che palle........ Federico nn si decide proprio..........
[14:51] <Pici> !it | K47w0
[14:51] <eightieskhild> !amarok
[14:52] <eightieskhild> >.<
[14:52] <failers> !knetmanager
[14:52] <failers> !netmanager
[14:52] <failers> :o
[14:52] <failers> could use some guide how to set up wireless connection
[14:52] <eightieskhild> i could have sworn amarok was 2.0...
[14:53] <BluesKaj> !knetworkmanager | failers
[14:53] <BluesKaj> heh , some help that is
[14:54] <failers> hm yea
[14:54] <robin0800> !failers wirless netwoking
[14:54] <failers> haha
[14:54] <BluesKaj> !wifi
[14:55] <BluesKaj> !dhcp
[14:55] <ssj4Gogeta> !adept
[14:55] <spectral> BluesKaj: ok, added the blacklist ipv6 line to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist  but ip a still shows inet6:
[14:55] <eightieskhild> !amarok2
[14:56] <BluesKaj> there that should cover all the bases
[14:56] <BluesKaj> spectral, ip a | grep inet6
[14:57] <BluesKaj> is there any output ?
[14:57] <spectral> yep that gives me 2 matching lines.. one for loopback, one for eth0
[14:58] <BluesKaj> did you do the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , like I suggested ?
[14:58] <spectral> yes
[14:58] <spectral> spectral@jaghut:~$ grep ipv6 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[14:58] <spectral> blacklist ipv6
[14:59] <Authority> where should I submit bug reports for KDE 4.2 on Intrepid that aren't "packaging related"?  The release notes only mention packaging bugs.
[15:00] <Kyran> hey guys
[15:00] <Kyran> I've got a problem with the kde 4.2 packages
[15:01] <Kyran> I'm trying to install them on a fresh ubuntu minimal system by apt-getting kde-core
[15:01] <Kyran> but I get an error on package libpcre3
[15:01] <Kyran> apt-get says the size doesn't match
[15:02] <failers> do i ever need to reboot ubuntu when installing new updates / software unless itself tells me that i should?
[15:03] <Kyran> it depends on what's upgraded
[15:03] <Kyran> for normal apps you shouldn't
[15:03] <Kyran> but a new kernel won't be loaded until you reboot
[15:03] <failers> ye but a new kernel update usually makes kubuntu say that i need to reboot :P
[15:03] <failers> or atleast i think so
[15:04] <Kyran> I'm still on 3.5, and it never tells me to reboot :)
[15:04] <failers> hm ok
[15:04] <failers> oh well 1 minute here and there i doesnt hurt to reboot i guess :P
[15:04] <Kyran> it's not critical anyway
[15:04] <william_> is this out of date or did I install the wrong version? http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/kubuntu
[15:05] <eightieskhild> anyone know what i need to do to get amarok2?
[15:05] <Kyran> it's explained on kubuntu.org
[15:05] <failers> william_ what do you mean
[15:05] <Kyran> you need have kde4 and activate an extra repository
[15:06] <failers> william_ your desktop doesnt look like the pictures does or?
[15:06] <lokai> whats the compiz effects manager called again?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Kyran , do you have these debs in your sources list ..look under intrepid in the dropdown box, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[15:07] <william_> failers, it says the current stable release is kubuntu 6.10 with kde 3.5.5
[15:07] <william_> failers, can't you read?
[15:07] <Kyran> yeah kubuntu experimental is in the sources.list
[15:07] <eightieskhild> Kyran: isn't Intrepid Ibex kde4?
[15:07] <Kyran> eightieskhild: yes it is
[15:07] <eightieskhild> i thought so.
[15:07] <Pici> william_: Yes, it needs to be updated.
[15:08] <william_> lol, that's so bad it's almost funny
[15:08] <Pici> william_: I'll file a bug, if theres not one already there.
[15:08] <Kyran> BluesKaj : it crashes on the libpcre3 package from that launchpad repository
[15:09] <Kyran> it says the size doesn't match and refuses to continu
[15:09] <Pici> Bug 112673 has already been filed.  I'll poke someone about it.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Kyran , oh yeah, that's becoming a problem on some setups
[15:10] <william_> why is firefox such a bad performer
[15:10] <william_> is it the gtk stuff?
[15:10] <Kyran> is there a solution to the problem?
[15:11] <william_> Kyrun, is it just the gpg error?
[15:11] <Kyran> it's not the gpg error
[15:11] <Kyran> I've got the keys
[15:11] <Kyran> it's a filesize error
[15:11] <BluesKaj> well, kernel upgrade , one must obey, so gonna reboot
[15:11] <william_> try re-downloading the file
[15:12] <Kyran> purge the downloaded packages and try again?
[15:12] <william_> yeah
[15:13] <Kyran> I'll give it a shot
[15:13] <Kyran> got to reboot, cause I'm installing on a different partition on this machine
[15:15] <william_> this is weird, one second my gtk aps including synaptic want to look like oxygen, the next minute they don't
[15:16] <eightieskhild> i have alot of my package listing failing anyone else?
[15:18] <nargzul> Hi again, anybody knows which package I must install to have debug information when a programm crash?
[15:19] <william_> anyone know of a decent gui for configuring samba that actually works?
[15:19] <ssj4Gogeta> Can someone tell me more about mouse gestures in KDE? I must have triggered one accidentally cause it showed me thumbnails on my windows on the screen
[15:19] <ssj4Gogeta> !mouse gestures
[15:19] <Kyran> cleaning out the downloaded packages doesn't help
[15:20] <ssj4Gogeta> !gestures
[15:20] <Kyran> libpcre3 still has the wrong filesize
[15:21] <lokai> I'm trying to assign a keybinding for the action 'minimize window' in KDE3. I do kdesudo systemsettings and set my key binding there. It saves, but the binding doesn't work -- why?!
[15:21] <nargzul> no one?
[15:22] <Kyran> lokai: shouldn't you configure the keybinding in the normal systemsettings?
[15:22] <Kyran> you've probably bound it for the root account
[15:22] <lokai> ah, maybe.
[15:23] <lokai> no -- didn't work.
[15:23] <lokai> still have the same problem
[15:24] <Kyran> I never really used keybindings, so I can't really help there
[15:24] <BluesKaj> william_ , try,  system-config-samba
[15:25] <lokai> arghhh why aren't keybindings working (KDE3) ? The settings are saved when I re-visit them in systemsettings, but they don't work!!
[15:25] <william_> BluesKaj, I have tried that one but it does not work
[15:25] <william_> it doesn't add the folders to smb
[15:25] <william_> althouth the server config bit seem so work
[15:25] <BluesKaj> william , di you configure it ?
[15:26] <william_> BluesKaj, isn't that what system-config-samba is supposed todo lol?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> william_ , I don't use a gui , I just type smb:/ in the addressbar in konqueror and the workgroup pc's are listed
[15:27] <Kyran> no one knows why apt-get gives me a wrong filesize error on llibpcre3 in the kde4.2 update?
[15:28] <william_> BluesKaj, how do you configure folders to share?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> william you have configure sharing in the dirs that would like , by clicking on properties then the share tab
[15:28] <william_> BluesKaj, I am migrating a friend to linux and he is a gui kinda guy
[15:29] <william_> BluesKaj, that has NEVER worked in kde 4
[15:29] <BluesKaj> actully it's easier to share in linux than it is in windows , I do both
[15:29] <william_> When I click on the Share tab I have the option Configure File Sharing
[15:29] <william_> it prompt me for admin pass
[15:30] <BluesKaj> kde 4 isn't much different than kde3 , in terms of useage
[15:30] <Kyran> I still recommend and install kde3.5
[15:30] <william_> I select the folder I want to share and share it with write privileges.
[15:30] <Kyran> I haven't been able to get 4 running smoothly enough for a non geek to able to work with it
[15:30] <william_> the reason I does not work is because it does not do any user or group forcing
[15:31] <BluesKaj> use your normal pw, william_
[15:31] <william_> yes, I use my password and share the folder but I can't write to the folder
[15:32] <failers> !sound
[15:33] <BluesKaj> ok , try this in the terminal , there are 2 cmnds , first : sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt , then: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount ..warning , this makes the linux machine let anyone use the network
[15:34] <nargzul> Hi again, anybody knows which package I must install to have debug information when a programm crash?
[15:34] <Kyran> run it from commandline
[15:34] <william_> BluesKaj, is that what kio uses?
[15:34] <william_> kio samba
[15:34] <Kyran> you'll get a stacktrace if it craches
[15:35] <BluesKaj> william , make sure your folders on the other networked pcs are shared as well
[15:35] <william_> ok
[15:35] <william_> what next?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> william_ , most samba clients will see those commands
[15:36] <BluesKaj> now , try smb:/ in konq
[15:37] <william_> yup
[15:37] <william_> I can see my computer in my workgroup
[15:37] <william_> now how do I share my desktop folder
[15:39] <BluesKaj>  william_ , /home/yourusername/edit/properties/share tab/configure sharing
[15:39] <nargzul> Kyran: it's for programm like kwin :/
[15:40] <Kyran> those tend to leave logs if they crach
[15:40] <Kyran> check /var/log/
[15:41] <DaSkreech> Ok just had an unexpected power down
[15:41] <william_> Bluekaj, I have done that and I can see my folder listed under the shares
[15:41] <DaSkreech>  now plasma can't find 1/4 of my widgets
[15:41] <DaSkreech> Anyone have any clue how to get them back?
[15:44] <nargzul> Kyran: we can't find any stack trace to report a bug :(
[15:45] <Kyran> there's a bunch of logs in there
[15:45] <william_> samba is so bad
[15:45] <Kyran> if a system critical component fails, you're going to able to read about it in one of them
[15:45] <Kyran> if I don't know what the crash is, then I can't really point you to anything more specific
[15:46] <william_> samba does not like gui
[15:47] <nargzul> Kyran: yes but it doesn't really help to know how to debug after
[15:47] <Kyran> ?
[15:49] <william_> do I need to add a samba user or something?
[15:49] <william_> I have set a samba password
[15:49] <william_> isn't it supposed to just use the system users?
[15:49] <william_> and when I login to my account from another computer why does it not run as the user I just loged in as
[15:50] <wastrel> hi hi
[15:51] <mofux> is there a kde4-window-decorator (compiz) available for 4.2 ? the package compiz-kde doesn't work because of unmet dependencies
[15:53] <Kyran> why would you want compiz for the kde4 series?
[15:53] <Kyran> it has compositing build in?
[15:53] <Kyran> (no question mark needed there)
[15:53] <gorgonzola> herllo, i'm trying to setup GCaldaemon to use my google calendar in kontcat. first of all, isn't there a more straigthforward way? ie, a kubuntu package that would allow me to do this? and if not, what is the normal procedure to manually add a daemon to the system?
[15:54] <mofux> Kyran: kwin runs way too slow to use for me
[15:54] <gorgonzola> ie, what group? where do i put the link for autostart on boot, etc/init.d/? etc.
[15:54] <yago> hi does anyone know how to inyect packages with ipw2200?
[15:54] <genii> william_: Samba user list can be totally different than system user list even if you have syncing the two as preference. Add a samba user by: sudo smbpasswd -ae username              and use the same passwd as the system name.
[15:54] <mofux> i'd like to use it though if it would run at good speed
[15:54] <Kyran> mofux: running it on an nvidia card?
[15:55] <mofux> nope, radeon 9800, using the OS radeon driver
[15:55] <Kyran> try using the fglrx drivers
[15:55] <mofux> i did before, same
[15:55] <Kyran> iirc the os drivers don't have 3d acceleration
[15:55] <mofux> they do have
[15:55] <gorgonzola> yes, they do
[15:55] <genii> william_: You will need restart of samba before changes take effect
[15:56] <Kyran> ah, I never got 3d working smooth with them, so I guessed it didn't support it
[15:56] <gorgonzola> i just reinstalled my box, and the radeon driver enabled kwin effects without flaw
[15:56] <Kyran> it's best to look if you can tweak your xorg.conf first
[15:56] <mofux> i have no flaws either, but it's running only about 18 fps
[15:56] <mofux> and feels sloppy
[15:57] <mofux> i could track it down to be the shadows plugin
[15:57] <mofux> if i disable it i get 50fps
[15:57] <Kyran> there we go :)
[15:57] <Kyran> kwin can be sped up a lot by picking the right settings
[15:57] <Kyran> there's some interesting blog posts to be found about that
[15:57] <thinkgnu> how can i add exprimental repository in adept ? in which tab is it in Software Sources
[15:57] <mofux> Kyran: i know, i already talked to the kwin dev
[15:58] <Kyran> then you're way better informed than I am ;)
[15:58] <Kyran> I've been trying to get good performance out of kwin on my laptop with an nvidia card, but no luck so far
[15:58] <mofux> well... that's why i want to install compiz-kde :)
[15:58] <thinkgnu> is it in UPDATES tab ?
[15:58] <Kyran> thinkgnu: 3rd party tab
[15:59] <Kyran> then just type in deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[15:59] <Kyran> and hit save
[15:59] <thinkgnu> Kyran: is this ? >http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu interpid partner
[15:59] <thinkgnu> oh
[15:59] <thinkgnu> thanks
[15:59] <Kyran> if you want the kubuntu experimental repo that is :)
[15:59] <Kyran> don't overwrite anything, just add a line
[15:59] <calice123> !list
[15:59] <thinkgnu> ok
[16:01] <Kyran> repost: I'm having some problems installing kde 4.2 on a clean system
[16:01] <Kyran> I keep getting the error that the libpcre3 package does not have the correct size
[16:01] <william_> god, I now tried SWAT to configure samba and that doesn't work without a root password!
[16:03] <genii> Kyran: Then delete from /var/cache/apt/archives   the partially d/l or corrupt packagename there of libpcre3
[16:04] <Kyran> I've already tried running apt-get clean
[16:04] <Kyran> but that didn't help
[16:06] <neothecat> is there a way in kmail using IMAP to just check "INBOX" and not any other folders during interval email checking?
[16:07] <genii> Kyran: clean will only delete packages there which are setup already, etc. If they are pending or so it won't delete a packaname it finds there in that case.
[16:07] <genii> Kyran: You need to manually rm the corrupt file
[16:07] <Kyran> ok thanks
[16:07] <Kyran> I'll give that a shot
[16:08] <elgordo123> Hello...
[16:08] <tedy_> peace
[16:08] <elgordo123> Using compiz fusion, kontact and okular always open in full screen.  I have no idea how to permantly change that
[16:08] <elgordo123> so it only opens in regular window?
[16:09] <tedy_> what s going on
[16:09] <elgordo123> using kde 4.2 kubuntu packages
[16:11] <bobbob1016_> I just installed kubuntu-desktop alongside my ubuntu (gnome), how can I keep them separate, as in now in gnome, when I open a folder it uses Dolphin, I want gnome programs to open in gnome, and kde ones in kde, any ideas?
[16:15] <Kyran> genii: I removed the file, but it didn't help
[16:15] <Kyran> it still says the filesize doesn't match
[16:17] <zicada> i gotta say, i dont think ive ever seen fonts this good in firefox using linux
[16:17] <zicada> http://zic.darktech.org/zicada/win.png
[16:18] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016_ , did you choose kde desktop at login ?
[16:18] <Unksi> zicada: me neither, kde <3 :)
[16:19] <genii> Kyran: Do you have a mix of repositories from different dists perhaps?
[16:19] <bobbob1016_> BluesKaj, No
[16:19] <Kyran> nope
[16:19] <Unksi> thats actually what ive always seen with kde4 :) (except with gtk apps in the first kde 4 releases)
[16:19] <Kyran> I've got kubuntu 8.10 defaults
[16:19] <zicada> you'll notice thats firefox though
[16:19] <Kyran> kukuntu-members-kde4
[16:19] <Unksi> ye
[16:19] <Kyran> and kubuntu-experimental
[16:20] <zicada> yeah the default 8.10 in kde4.2 are excellent
[16:20] <zicada> but in firefox it makes you weep blood
[16:20] <zicada> heh
[16:20] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016_ , if you have both kde and gnome desktops installed , then you must decide which one you want to use at the login menu. Which is the default if you don't choose ?
[16:20] <genii> Kyran: PErhaps comment out experimental, sudo apt-get update      then try install of it again
[16:21] <Unksi> ye, tho lately its been ok too :)
[16:21] <genii> Kyran: Could you pastebin result of:  apt-cache policy libpcre3              this may tell what repos
[16:21] <Kyran> the thing is that I want to install kde4.2
[16:21] <Kyran> which is experimental
[16:22] <bobbob1016_> BluesKaj, I chose gnome.  What I mean is in gnome, I want nautilus to open when I open a folder, in kde I want dolphin.  However now in gnome, I get dophin opening folders.
[16:22] <Kyran> is *in experimental
[16:23] <genii> Kyran: If different vers are listed by the apt-cache policy command, you can force a specific version in the install line
[16:23] <Kyran> could you tell me how I do that
[16:24] <Kyran> (I need to reboot this system to try this out)
[16:25] <genii> Kyran: eg: if policy reports something like: Candidate: 7.4-1ubuntu2.1               then:   sudo apt-get install libpcre3=7.4-1ubuntu2.1
[16:25] <Kyran> ok thanks
[16:26] <Kyran> and lets reboot again
[16:27] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016_, dunno much about nautilus or gnome ingeneral , but I prefer konq as my file manager, not dolphin
[16:27] <failers> what is kubuntus texteditor called i only know ubuntus "gedit" :o
[16:28] <bobbob1016_> BluesKaj, Either way, I want to keep kde out of my gnome and vice versa
[16:28] <bobbob1016_> failers, kate if memory serves
[16:28] <failers> oki
[16:28] <failers> yap it was kate
[16:28] <failers> thx
[16:29] <genii> I fail to understand this fascination with rebooting.
[16:30] <blahjake> s/he may still be in recovery from windows
[16:30] <sigma_za> where is the proper weather plasmoid for kde4.2? the current lcd one really doesnt work properly
[16:31] <genii> blahjake: Yes, true. Reconditioning takes a while ;)
[16:31] <failers> rebooting makes me feel relieved
[16:31] <failers> :)
[16:32] <failers> exept this time kubuntu froze when i pressed reboot :o
[16:33] <noaXess> is openoffice.org v3 anywhere in the repos?
[16:33] <noaXess> !info openoffice
[16:33] <noaXess> !info openoffice.org
[16:34] <Kyran> genii there's two versions of libpcre3 availlable
[16:34] <Kyran> the first one in the normal repos, which is installed
[16:34] <Kyran> a newer version in the experimental repo
[16:34] <KDesk> hi, I have an ipod and I want to transfer music in AAC to it. Before I had used m4a, but I think AAC may be better. But when I try to transfer them, Amarok says that the media doesn't support the tracks. What can I do?
[16:34] <Kyran> which causes the error
[16:34] <KDesk> noaXess: You can get oo.o 3 from a PPA repo.
[16:34] <Kyran> "unable to fetch ... libpcre3 ... file size mismatch"
[16:35] <cbwcjw> noaXess: On the time of intrepids release, openoffice.org v3 was considered expiremental. Therefore, they have kept it in an experimental repo until version 9.04.
[16:36] <noaXess> KDesk: ok
[16:36] <KDesk> noaXess: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive/ppa
[16:36] <genii> Kyran: OK. It may be the specific file is currently being worked on by the devs or so. Another alternative is to use web browser to navigate to the repo, download the file manually, and use dpkg to instaqll it
[16:36] <noaXess> KDesk: ok..
[16:37] <niteye> whats the difference between the kubuntu DVD and the Live CD?
[16:38] <KDesk> niteye: the DVD has what the cd has, and many more packages.
[16:38] <Kyran> genii how can I see that the package is being worked on?
[16:39] <genii> Kyran: Offhand I'm not sure there is a direct way. Other than maybe check creation times on the file if you see a listing in the web browser of the directory it is in
[16:41]  * bizkit is back.
[16:41] <Kyran> I can't find the package in the directory listing
[16:41] <Kyran> ah
[16:41] <Kyran> got it
[16:42] <genii> Kyran: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/   is the dir
[16:43] <Kyran> yeah, found it
[16:43] <Kyran> I was looking in l
[16:43] <genii> Kyran: Heh, me too at first
[16:43] <Kyran> so installing that is dpkg -install blabla.deb ?
[16:44] <genii> Kyran: At any rate, you can try manual d/l of whichever version is for your architecture, then: sudo dpkg -i yadda.deb
[16:44] <motoplux> hi
[16:44] <joeslugg> Ahoy! - I updated to 4.2 and am using KWin effects, but app. switch (alt-tab) effects aren't working. Any hints?
[16:44] <ryxxed> for apt-build what architecture should i select, i have an athlon 64 x2
[16:44] <Kyran> genii thanks for the help, I'll give that a shot
[16:44] <failers> OPS i removed my only "start menu" panel
[16:44] <ryxxed> i'm not really, there's a multiple athlon choices there
[16:45] <failers> :D how do i get it back
[16:45] <genii> Kyran: np
[16:45] <cbwcjw> Earlier on, I had a choice between GDM and KDM for a login manager. I now want KDM to manage my login screen. How do I change this?
[16:45] <mooperd> Hi, Im trying to use skype but Im getting an error message
[16:45] <ryxxed> does anyone know?
[16:45] <alberto> hola a todos
[16:45] <mooperd> "Problem with audo capture"
[16:46] <SlimeyPete> ryxxed: what choices are you given?
[16:46] <Guest4819> alguien de habla ispana
[16:47] <Guest4819> por favor
[16:47] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[16:48] <KDesk> cbwcjw: I don't remember very well, but you can try with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[16:48] <ryxxed> slimeypete : athlon64 and athlon64-sse3
[16:48] <ryxxed> i know it's not athlonfx
[16:48] <failers> how do i move my newly created panel its in top of the screen and i want it on the bottom
[16:48] <SlimeyPete> athlon64-sse3 will make the best use of your processor, I think.
[16:49] <peepp> moin
[16:49] <ryxxed> i can always just edit it in the conf
[16:49] <peepp> jemand online
[16:49] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Thanks!
[16:49] <KDesk> cbwcjw: did it work?
[16:50] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Yea, it opend that config screen with the choice. Ill log in/out and tell you
[16:50] <KDesk> ok :)
[16:50] <mooperd> Hi, Im trying to use skype but Im getting an error message "Problem with audo capture" when I try to make a call
[16:51]  * bizkit is away: Gone away for now
[16:52] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Nope :( didnt work
[16:53] <mkulke> hello, i installed kontact from the kde 4.2 repos, and kontact is always fullscreen, anyone knows what i can do about this?
[16:53]  * bizkit is back.
[16:54] <KDesk> cbwcjw: let's see, you can also edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and change the line from /usr/bin/gdm to /usr/bin/kdm
[16:55] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Ill do that now :D
[16:55] <KDesk> cbwcjw: and you can also remove gdm, then I think it will use kdm.
[16:55] <KDesk> cbwcjw: ah, did you restarted X? with Alt+D in GDM?
[16:56] <KDesk> cbwcjw:  or CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE, then it should switch to kdm
[16:56] <cbwcjw> Hooray for killing X, ill just do that.
[16:57] <BluesKaj> mkulke, right click at the top by the titlebar , choose configure window behaviour/window specific, kmail will be in the list ,choose it , modify,then go from there
[16:57] <thinkgnu> is this true ? ""Pre-release updates in Adept ->Software Sources"" == ""Proposed updates in synaptic->Software Sources""
[16:58] <mkulke> BluesKaj: which titelbar?
[16:58] <mkulke> titlebar
[16:58] <cbwcjw> KDesk: DIdnt work, so what was the file that I needed to edit
[16:59] <BluesKaj> thinkgnu , synaptic and adept are synched
[16:59] <KDesk> cbwcjw:  /etc/X11/default-display-manager you can also remove gdm from you system
[16:59] <BluesKaj> click in the space at the top then , mkulke
[16:59] <thinkgnu> BluesKaj: i want to enable Proposed updates but i don't have synaptic
[16:59] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Well that didnt work
[16:59] <failers> haha god im exploding :P god damn kde's panel was hard to configure
[16:59] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Oh, one moment
[16:59] <failers> gnome ftw on that part
[16:59] <Tm_T> failers: less cursing son
[17:00] <cbwcjw> !language failers
[17:00] <cbwcjw> !language | failers
[17:00] <BluesKaj> thinkgnu, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[17:00] <thinkgnu> BluesKaj: but i don't want to install synaptic , i just want to do it from adept
[17:01] <thinkgnu> you mean they aren't equivalent ?
[17:01] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Thats... odd. KDM is the default already!??! Let me restart
[17:01] <BluesKaj> well, then sudo apt-get update , and the adept notifier should popup , thenclick on it
[17:01] <KDesk> cbwcjw: remove gdm :)
[17:02] <desu> thinkgnu: run adept, then click on the first icon on left (sources), click on "edit sources" and the third tab should give you what you need...
[17:03] <lovre> im trying to run python-pigment examples, getting black screen. What could be the problem, it uses opengl...
[17:03]  * bizkit is away: Gone away for now
[17:05] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Restarting worked, I now see the sleek KDM :)
[17:06] <KDesk> cbwcjw:  ah great!
[17:06] <cbwcjw> KDesk: I love KDE, but i dont understand, why use KHTML instead of something else, and why was webkit derived from KHTML
[17:08] <KDesk> cbwcjw: Yes, KDE is the best! Webkit was forked from Apple to use in safari, but know in Qt 4.4 webkit is part of it, and in the next release 4.5 it will be faster and better. Maybe in Jaunty konkeror will be compiled with webkit.
[17:09] <darth_chatri> just installed kde 4.2 on hardy. power manager does not have options for suspend/hibernate and network manager cannot do manual configuration
[17:09] <darth_chatri> are these missing features or do i have to install more packages?
[17:14] <Murchadh> Anyone use the Samsung NC10 with Kubuntu? I have also posted this in #kubuntu-offtopic where I would love to hear from anyone who has.
[17:14] <mooperd> hi, I installed esound to get skype working properly byt now I cant get the mixer window jobbie, all I can hear through the phones is the microphone input amplified many many times!
[17:14] <mooperd> hapl!
[17:15] <earle> skype's sound configuration for linux is bloody awful
[17:15] <mooperd> earle: tell me about it
[17:15] <mooperd> For some reason it broke out of the box
[17:16] <mooperd> and now I have no mixer ;'(
[17:19] <earle> on mine it presented a list of near-identical looking input and output devices without any explanation... eventually I gave up.
[17:20] <earle> and of course they don't provide a sound level tester on the linux version, you have to call that bloody test call number all the time.
[17:20] <earle> conclusion: they don't give a toss about linux users
[17:25] <KDesk> Which is the maximum size of the trash?
[17:25] <KDesk> ~4GB?
[17:27] <earle> Isn't that configurable somewhere?
[17:27] <lovre> KDesk: why would there be a maximum size?
[17:27] <earle> lovre: There is. I almost accidentally deleted my ~ yesterday (60GB) and it refused to accept it.
[17:28] <earle> s/almost (.*?) deleted/$1 move-to-trashed/
[17:28] <KDesk> lovre: In Dolphin I was trying to delete a file, but a message came saying: The trash has reached its maximum size! Cleanup the trash manually.
[17:28] <earle> Yep. that's what I got.
[17:28] <KDesk> And my trash is now 4.3GB
[17:29] <lovre> ah
[17:29] <lovre> hmm
[17:29] <failers> hm where is desktop folder located now the one in /home/desktop/ aint the right one :o
[17:29] <KDesk> jeje, it is like in real life.
[17:29] <lovre> ...    /home/Desktop -> mind the case sensitivity
[17:29] <lovre> failers: ^
[17:30] <failers> lovre i know but if i put some files in my home/Desktop/ it still doesnt appear on my "desktop"
[17:30] <lovre> failers: /home/user/Desktop tbh
[17:30] <failers> if you know what i mean
[17:30] <lovre> failers: put them in /home/username/Desktop
[17:30] <failers> ye i have
[17:30] <lovre> :o
[17:30] <lovre> failers: are you using kde4?
[17:30] <failers> ya
[17:30] <failers> 4.1
[17:31] <failers> recently installed kubuntu 8.10
[17:31] <lovre> failers: well, concept of desktop changed, you need to add a plasmoid called Folder View, and set it to show desktop folder
[17:31] <failers> Oo
[17:32] <failers> rocket science i see :P
[17:32] <lovre> failers: yes :
[17:32] <lovre> y:D
[17:32] <lovre> failers: its an improvement IMHO.
[17:32] <failers> well never used kde before until now so it is rocket science tho :P
[17:33] <lovre> failers: no more desktop mess
[17:33] <lovre> failers: kde rawks
[17:33] <sandGorgon> guys.. anybody know how to create the hand-drawn effect in Impress with lines, charts, tables, etc. ? sorry if its a bit OT.. but i really need it
[17:33] <jonah> hey guys having trouble turning on sharing in kde 4.2. in the settings menu on advanced there is nothing about sharing... how do i set up samba??
[17:33] <failers> lovre can you give me a more briefly explenation on how to add that thing plasmoid and folder view :P
[17:34] <jonah> also i keep getting the folder view widget appearing every boot up since upgradeing to kde 4.2 even though i remove every time before shutdown, it's back on reboot
[17:34] <lovre> failers:  phone, in a sec
[17:35] <failers> oki
[17:35] <Kyran> genii thanks again for all the tips
[17:35] <Aison> hello
[17:36] <Kyran> installing the downloaded package did the trick
[17:36] <Aison> everytime I terminate my kde, knotify crashes and kde hangs
[17:36] <genii> Kyran: Glad to be of service :)
[17:36] <Kyran> I've got kde 4.2 running now :)
[17:36] <Aison> I have to do CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to get into kdm and shutoff my machine
[17:36] <lovre> failers: click on the icon in the upper right corner, and click Add Widgets, or Unlock Widgets if they are locked first. In the list that shows up select Folder View, and click Add Widget. Now click on the widget that appeared on the desktop, and there will be a small setting icon by the side. Click it and enter /home/username/Desktop, if its not allready set up like that.
[17:36] <Aison> it was in kde3, no it's also in kde4
[17:37] <Kyran> I must say I'm impressed with 4.2
[17:37] <failers> ah ok lovre thx
[17:37] <Kyran> it's running extremely smooth on this 5 year old machine with integrated graphics card
[17:37] <Kyran> (I did do the kde-core install and manually installed the other apps I needed)
[17:39] <failers> :( kubuntu aint running especially smooth on my laptop
[17:40] <yafs> hi there, how do i change my graphics driver in kubuntu 8.10 because the xorg.conf is no longer in use and the option in the guibased systemmanagment is not there in 8.04 it was easy but at the moment i chat find it
[17:41] <Kyran> the performance of kde4 seems to greatly depend on your graphics card drivers
[17:41] <lovre> failers: np
[17:41] <failers> Kyran ok doubt its my graphic card's performance but driver could it be
[17:41] <lovre> i have a problem with archive tools, i cant find any that would integrate with dolphin.... :( any ideas how to fix this?
[17:44] <Kyran> failers is it an nvidia card?
[17:44] <failers> ye
[17:44] <failers> geforce 9600 gt
[17:44] <Kyran> join the club then, i've got the same in my laptop
[17:44] <failers> :D
[17:44] <Kyran> and it's not working good either
[17:44] <failers> have you tryed newest driver from nvidia?
[17:44] <failers> was about to do that now
[17:45] <Kyran> it's been a while since I updated that
[17:45] <failers> ok
[17:45] <Kyran> the last drivers I put on were an improvement
[17:45] <Kyran> so if you haven't, do install the latest drivers
[17:45] <failers> well i got 176 right now
[17:45] <Kyran> I found some blogposts on what xorg.conf options you could put to get better performance too
[17:46] <failers> ok
[17:46] <Kyran> I think my laptop runs 177
[17:49] <Aison> re
[17:49] <Aison> everytime I login to my kde4.2, there's this akonadi server starting
[17:49] <Aison> but I allways get some error hints, that there's a problem with dbus
[17:51] <Aison> so I guess the akonadi is not working
[17:51] <yafs> hi there, how do i change my graphics driver in kubuntu 8.10 because the xorg.conf is no longer in use and the option in the guibased systemmanagment is not there like in 8.04
[17:51] <yafs> and i only run vesa
[17:52] <kavurt> hi, I took the full backup of my 8.04 usin
[17:53] <kavurt> using "tar xvpfz"
[17:53] <failers> great i destroyed kde
[17:53] <failers> :P
[17:53] <failers> i installed 180 from nvidia now kde wont start up
[17:53] <kavurt> and then extracted it into the other disk partition in the same computer
[17:54] <koops> hello... got one question.. how do i change gdm for kdm?
[17:54] <kavurt> made necessary changes in menu.lst, but can't log on to system
[17:55] <kavurt> login window appears. but can't go further
[17:56] <kavurt> it seems , it doesn't accept my password in X
[17:56] <kavurt> or something else
[17:56] <kavurt> what should I do?
[17:56] <hellhound_> i am desperately trying to get my new install of 8.10 to boot into X after installing the restricted nvidia driver.  When I reboot after installing the driver it boots me into a command prompt.  If I type startx I get "(EE) No devices found" "Fatal server error: no screens found"  i have put my xorg file at http://pastebin.com/f620c5b4a and by log file at http://pastebin.com/f632b17af    can anyone PLEASE help?
[17:59] <Rajo> Guten Abend
[17:59] <kavurt> I took the full backup of my 8.04 using "tar xvpfz". and then extracted it into the other disk partition in the same computer. made necessary changes in menu.lst, but can't log on to system.login window appears. but can't go further. it seems , it doesn't accept my password in X. or something else. what should I do?
[18:00] <KDesk> Is possible to put a archive limit to akregator?
[18:02] <Muzer> How do I tell ALSA to use a specific sound card? I want it to use my external one, not my mobo's one. In fact, it would be best if it could use both at once, as the external one doesn't have front panel connectors...
[18:05] <TheFuzzball> How do I set up my Apple Keyboard with Kubuntu? It doesn't recognize the F* buttons.
[18:05] <XVampireX> So anyhow, KDE4.2 is installed and I feel that something changed since rc, it's good :D
[18:05] <Heliodor> nvidia 180 drivers did the trick for me
[18:05] <Heliodor> before that, yuuck
[18:06] <failers> Heliodor 180 destroyed it all for me now it kubuntu boots up into a cmd screen
[18:06] <failers> :P
[18:08] <Heliodor> failers: it did for me to.
[18:08] <WishingMaster> what is the address of the repository to install the latest kernel-2.6.28.2 or later?
[18:08] <Heliodor> failers: then i upgraded to latest 2.6.11 kernel update
[18:09] <failers> how :o im new to linux and was about to reinstall it all completly since im stuck in that cmd :P
[18:09] <WishingMaster> does anyone know the repository for latest kernel?
[18:10] <alkerzor1> Hey guys, I know nothing about package maintenance and errors, what should I do about the following error I received upon trying to upgrade to KDE4.2 in intrepid?
[18:10] <alkerzor1> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-libs4+5_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/krdb_clearlibrarypath', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:11] <WishingMaster> alkerzor1, remove the package and install again
[18:12]  * bizkit is back.
[18:12] <bdgraue> i would say    sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-libs4+5_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_i386.deb
[18:12] <failers> Heliodor how did you upgrade the kernel
[18:12] <bdgraue> and after that again sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:12] <bizkit> im not really back
[18:12] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me with a silly kde 4 bug?
[18:12] <XVampireX> http://imagebin.ca/view/ScS_s6.html
[18:12] <WishingMaster> bdgraue, do u know the command to install the latest kernel?
[18:12] <XVampireX> The krunner
[18:13] <bdgraue> WishingMaster: no, sry
[18:13] <WishingMaster> hmmmm
[18:13] <XVampireX> That's one problem
[18:13] <WishingMaster> ok
[18:13] <XVampireX> The other one is that as you can see I didn't use the capturing application in KDE because prntscrn doesn't work >_<
[18:14] <Muzer> I found out how to give a device priority, but the changes to not appear to have come into effect. How can I make sure this happens?
[18:14] <jacobw-uk> hi there, regarding the kde 4.2 packages, is there a metapackage that installs the desktop?
[18:15] <jacobw-uk> like kubuntu-desktop or kde-desktop or something
[18:15] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, kubuntu-desktop
[18:15] <jacobw-uk> ok, wrong nick btw :p lol
[18:15] <mefisto__> Muzer: I can help you set default soundcard
[18:15] <WishingMaster> jacobw-uk, i am sorry for that
[18:15] <Muzer> mefisto__: Yeah, that's what I want
[18:16] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:16] <ubuntu_> hola?
[18:16] <mefisto__> first we find out the names of your soundcards: cat /proc/asound/modules
[18:16] <ubuntu_> oh
[18:16] <ubuntu_> hi
[18:17] <Muzer>  0 snd_hda_intel
[18:17] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:17] <Muzer>  1 saa7134_alsa
[18:17] <Muzer>  2 snd_cmipci
[18:17] <mefisto__> if you have 2, it should show 0 then name of the default, and 1 followed by the 2nd
[18:17] <Muzer> I want to use device 2
[18:17] <ubuntu_> hi
[18:17] <mefisto__> Muzer: ok now sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[18:18] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:18] <Muzer> mefisto__: I want to set what is currently device 2 to be default
[18:18] <ubuntu_> is someone out there?
[18:19] <mefisto__> Muzer: at the end of that file, add options saa7134_alsa index=0
[18:19] <mefisto__> Muzer: "options saa7134_alsa index=0"  on one line (no quotes)
[18:19] <ubuntu_> i need some help with the installation CD!!!
[18:19] <alkerzor1> hm, i just let synpatic decide what to do for me and marked those broken packages for reinstallation. Kubuntu's is like magic. Thanks for your helps guys!
[18:20] <mefisto__> Muzer: and on a new line: options snd_hda_intel index=1
[18:20] <Muzer> mefisto__: k, done
[18:20] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:20] <mefisto__> Muzer: then save, and reboot. that should do it. let me know
[18:20] <ubuntu_> can someone help me? please
[18:21] <Muzer> mefisto__: Is there an alternative to rebooting? Or do I really have to?
[18:21] <Muzer> like, a way to restart ALSA
[18:21] <Aison> I get this error when starting akonadi server
[18:21] <Aison> http://rafb.net/p/BGu0IA74.html
[18:21] <Aison> looks quite bad
[18:22] <mefisto__> Muzer: I don't know but someone else might. you need to reload those sound modules. there's probably a command to do that
[18:22] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:22] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: and here i get all excited because someone answered what i asked a couple of days ago :)
[18:22]  * bizkit is away: Gone away for now
[18:22] <ubuntu_> can someone help me with my problem with the installation XCD?
[18:23] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, what?
[18:23] <ubuntu_> CD*
[18:23] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, what did i do?
[18:23] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: you qouted my name when answering someone else :)  just a joke...
[18:24] <ubuntu_> the thing is that the CD is ok but when i try to install the kubuntu it get's an erro
[18:24] <ubuntu_> ...
[18:24] <WishingMaster> oh yeah i did, i am sorry
[18:24] <ubuntu_> ...
[18:24] <WishingMaster> well do you know the address of the repository for latest kernel?
[18:24] <failers> ubuntu_ what error?
[18:25] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, kernel-2.6.28.2 or later?
[18:25] <nood> hi all
[18:25] <buckethead> Hey guys.. Is there a way with 4.2 to make popup notifications NOT pop an icon in the system tray?
[18:25] <ubuntu_> it just says is an error on the CD and maybe i should try to brund the CD with a lower burning speed
[18:26] <Heliodor> failers: Just do the normal ubuntu upgrade
[18:26] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: no, i'm still on 2.6.26 :)
[18:26] <Heliodor> failers: i had one time that it failed to start kdm, but i just had to login in the terminal, stop, it and run it again and it loaded correctly
[18:27] <mefisto__> Muzer: sudo modprobe -r <modulename> removes the module
[18:27] <failers> Heliodor hm ok
[18:27] <failers> tryed that but didnt start still
[18:27] <mefisto__> Muzer: and I think sudo modprobe <modulename> loads them again
[18:27] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, how would you go ahead to install the latest kernel?
[18:28] <Heliodor> failers: Hmm, have you tried reloading to default nvidia settings? I think the config settings has changed in 180 drivers
[18:28] <failers> well i just booted in recovery and did deconfx or what the command was called so now its running again atleast
[18:29] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: i use the repositories, but i supppose if you want the absolute latest you'd have to svn the source and configure build it yourself...
[18:29] <Muzer> mefisto__: It's in use
[18:29] <Heliodor> failers: sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-settings
[18:29] <failers> ok
[18:29] <ubuntu_> i'm getting confused by all this @.@
[18:29] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, thats what i am asking for,the repository address?
[18:30] <mefisto__> Muzer: try this: sudo alsa force-unload
[18:30] <mefisto__> Muzer: then try the modprobe commands again
[18:31] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: i don't know :)  maybe google is your friend
[18:31] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, yeah
[18:34] <failers> Heliodor i think its working now some way to check if 180 is installed corectly ?
[18:34] <mefisto__> Muzer: back in 5 min
[18:36] <Muzer> mefisto__: I think that worked, let me check
[18:36] <Muzer> yup
[18:36] <earle> Hey dudes. Anyone else using the 4.2 from Experimental, do you have any other themes available besides Oxygen?
[18:38] <earle> Ah, I've just had it pointed out to me that you can get new themes via Desktop Theme Details in System Settings.
[18:38]  * Muzer enjoys having surround sound and mic support at the same time
[18:41] <mefisto__> Muzer: ok, great!
[18:41]  * mefisto__ commits modprobe commands to memory
[18:41] <failers> Heliodor nope now it boots up to cmd screen again ..
[18:42] <Muzer> mefisto__: BTW, I think it would be easier to do this:
[18:43] <Muzer> sudo alsa force-reload
[18:43] <Muzer> that will just reload them all
[18:49] <blackboard> hi
[18:49] <blackboard> it's kinda embarassing, but I'm having some trouble with cp
[18:50] <mefisto__> Muzer: I don't think that would reload the modules, just restart alsa
[18:50] <BluesKaj> I have some apps frozen on the desktop and there is no way to close them, the open/close/move options are gone and I have to use the TTY to talk with you guys ...wondering abou the kill apps commands and what to do to refresh the desktop
[18:50] <numunumu> there
[18:51] <numunumu> anyway, I input the following command using tab-autocomplete, but it doesn't copy the file over:  cp WGS490.0912008F_WGS\ 490_1231572913676.bak 2008F/
[18:51] <numunumu> any suggestions?
[18:52] <WishingMaster> BluesKaj, do u know the address of the repository for installing latest kernel?
[18:52] <WishingMaster> kernel-2.6.28.2 or later?
[18:53] <Muzer> mefisto__: No, it definitely reloads the modules
[18:53] <BluesKaj> WishingMaster, click on the url at the top of the page
[18:55] <BluesKaj> what's the kill all command in the shell again? ...desktop is frozen beyond help here.
[18:55] <lawi> Trying to update from apt-cacher but am getting the error: 500 Can't connect to ubuntu:80 (Bad hostname 'ubuntu')
[18:55] <lawi> @blueskaj killall
[18:56] <Muzer> BluesKaj: killall :0
[18:56] <Muzer> :)
[18:59] <BluesKaj> Muzer: I'm not kidding, I've never used the kill cmnd before , so what's the proper way to use it ?
[19:00] <mhall119> I have a vanilla Ubuntu 8.10 install, what's the easiest way to get KDE 4.2 on here?
[19:00] <mhall119> add the experimental ppa and install kubuntu-desktop?
[19:03] <athlon1> Hallo, I've been using kubuntu 8.04. I'm trying to migrate to 8.10, but I've many problems. Please, can you tell me if you have had many problems with kubuntu 8.10? Thanks
[19:06] <peepp> hi leute
[19:07] <peepp> ich brauche mal dringend eueren Rat
[19:07] <peepp> jemand da ?
[19:07] <p_quarles> !de | peepp
[19:08] <peepp> jup Thanks :D
[19:13] <numunumu> okay, I have this program in Java that is using RunTime to output cp commands to Linux
[19:13] <numunumu> but it doesn't work if the filename has a space in it
[19:13] <numunumu> I have replaced all the spaces with \ followed by a space in the program, but still doesn't work
[19:14] <numunumu> if I c/p the same command the program outputs it doesn't work, but if I type the same thing out manually, it does work
[19:14] <aboSamoor> I downloaded the packages of Kubuntu 4.2, but till now I have unmet dependencies. Here is the output trying to install http://paste.ubuntu.com/111823/. Thanks in advance :)
[19:14] <sebm> Hello! Can anyone tell me how can I find out what Kubuntu version is installed on my PC?
[19:14] <XVampireX> Is there anyone who could help me, I'm having problem with khotkeys I think
[19:15] <XVampireX> printscreen doesn't work especially and ctrl+a doesn't always work >_<
[19:15] <mehrab> hey
[19:17] <mefisto__> numunumu: how about quotes around the filename instead of \<space>
[19:18] <numunumu> does that work in the shell?
[19:18] <mefisto__> sebm: in konqueror, help > about KDE
[19:18] <mefisto__> numunumu: it does for most commands
[19:18] <mehrab> recently when I install a program I cannot find it in kickoff menu or even run it in terminal, and I have to reboot to be able to use it
[19:21] <mehrab> is there anyway to fix it?
[19:21] <numunumu> mefisto__: I'll give it a try
[19:24] <numunumu> mefisto__: now it's not moving anything
[19:24] <hellhound_> I am trying to setup dual monitors on my 8.10 installation.  I get an "x" cursor on the extra monitor not the normal cursor and no windows will move to it.  The other monitor runs fine.... can anyone help?  my xorg file is at http://pastebin.com/m4ecf473c
[19:24] <numunumu> doesn't seem to like the quotations
[19:24] <numunumu> mefisto__: the program output now looks like this:  cp "BMP600.S012008F_BMP 600_1231531062613.bak" 2008Fall/
[19:25] <failers> :| such hazzle it is to install make a kubuntu as it should
[19:26] <mefisto__> numunumu: cp should work with the quotes. how about single quotes? (can't remember what difference single and double quotes makes)
[19:26] <numunumu> I'll give it a try
[19:27] <Heliodor> failers: Sorry, i had to eat something so i was away.
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: Did you try to restart kdm?
[19:28] <failers> yes
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: And it still failed?
[19:28] <failers> yep
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: Sorry to hear that :-(
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: well atleast you tried.
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: what graphics card do you have?
[19:28] <failers> 9600 gt
[19:29] <failers> geforce
[19:29] <aboSamoor> any idea why I still have unmet dependencies for KDE 4.2 ?
[19:29] <Heliodor> failers: Ah, perhaps that is why then. i have a 8800
[19:29] <numunumu> mefisto__: nope, doesn't work
[19:30] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: try changeing  to another repository mirror.
[19:30] <mefisto__> numunumu: you might try backticks (the tilde key) `like this`   see here: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContent&pageid=20
[19:30] <hellhound_> I am trying to setup dual monitors on my 8.10 installation.  I get an "x" cursor on the extra monitor not the normal cursor and no windows will move to it.  The other monitor runs fine.... can anyone help?  my xorg file is at http://pastebin.com/m4ecf473c
[19:30] <Heliodor> hellhound_: what graphics card?
[19:30] <failers> Heliodor well im reinstalling kubuntu now anyway since i havent done anything to it after my last install so version 176 will do for me until "ubuntu team" releases newer driver
[19:31] <Heliodor> failers: Ah, okay :)
[19:31] <Seren__> hi, I am on kubuntu intrepid experimental repository and kmail is kept back
[19:31] <Seren__> anyone knows why ?
[19:31] <Heliodor> failers: I think that itś nvidia that we have to wait for.
[19:31] <Heliodor> failers: they caused the slow-down-bug on kde
[19:31] <failers> ok
[19:32] <numunumu> mefisto__: according to that site, the tildes are used for something about saving ouput into "variable counts"
[19:32] <mefisto__> Seren__: does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade do it?
[19:33] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: I am just using the PPA published on the Kubuntu website there are not other choices !
[19:33] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Oh, yeah, you are right about that.
[19:33] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Thatś odd though....
[19:33] <Seren__> mefisto__: nope, apparently it conflicts with kmail-kde4 which is not installed
[19:34] <hellhound_> Heliodor: both are NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
[19:34] <mefisto__> Seren__: try removing kmail, then install it. I had the same problem with gwenview
[19:34] <subscious> hi there... i just installed kubuntu and accidantly switched to another theme and cant find the original anymore... where can i find it?
[19:34] <Seren__> mefisto__: good idea I try that
[19:35] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: did you take look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/111823/ ?
[19:37] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: try removing koffice-data-kde4
[19:37] <Heliodor> then try installing again
[19:37] <BluesKaj> dunno if anyone else has encountered this prob , but I think the new kernel update just fulmoxed kde 4.2 ..totally frozen , no text access to the konsole , ok in the TTY ..never seen it this bad before
[19:38] <BluesKaj> think I'll install gnome to rescue this mess
[19:38] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: I can not remove that package the same error "  kdebase-runtime: Depends: kde-icons-oxygen (>= 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3) but it is not going to be installed"
[19:40] <Heliodor> force the remove
[19:40] <subscious> what is the command for opening a kubuntu terminal?
[19:41] <josh_> CONNECT DALNET
[19:42] <mefisto__> subscious: konsole
[19:43] <subscious> thanx
[19:43] <Syndrome> So is it normal for kubuntu to delete all my panel settings when I turn my computer off?
[19:44] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: apt-get -f remove is not working ! how can I track the problem any output or log to read ?
[19:44] <numunumu> now this is crazy.  the terminal is now telling me that there is a file in a folder, while Dolphin says that there isn't.  it is not a hidden file
[19:44] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: You can try aptitude, it is better to solve problems.
[19:44] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: sudo aptitude remove packagename
[19:45] <ryxxed> aptitude removes dependancies
[19:45] <ryxxed> you could remove a dependancy for a different package, why would you do that?
[19:47] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: different message http://paste.ubuntu.com/111832/ I will say Y
[19:47] <redmage123> Hello all.
[19:48] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: that should work yes
[19:48] <spectral> BluesKaj: just wanted to let you know. the problems i had with ipv6 is because in jaunty it seems that ipv6 is now in the kernel, rather than a module.. and by switching to a proper dns - opendns (my ISP's DNS looks totally b0rked) it now works as it should..
[19:49] <subscious> can i start the monitor and display setup from konsole?
[19:50] <redmage123> Anybody on the channel have any expertise setting up a network installation usinjg PXEBoot?
[19:50] <numunumu> mefisto__: thanks for your help, it turns out it was automatically making the files hidden for some reason; however, though it now works manually, it still doesn't work in my program
[19:51] <numunumu> mefisto__: does quotation marks need bash to interpret them?  because I hear Java's RunTime commands aren't interpreted by the shell
[19:52] <mefisto__> numunumu: yes, the quotes thing applies to bash, but not necessarily everything else
[19:52] <mefisto__> subscious: you mean the gui display settings?
[19:53] <bobbob1016> Does anyone know how to get let compiz draw the backgrounds in kde 4.2?  So I can have multiple/transparent backgrounds?
[19:53] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Did it work?
[19:53] <wolv3> how solve the kubuntu problem with WIFI with password?
[19:54] <numunumu> mefisto__: is there any way I can do filenames with spaces without needing bash's character interpretation?
[19:54] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: removing then installing that package brings many errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/111833/
[19:55] <mefisto__> numunumu: don't know. I guess it depends on what is interpreting the filenames and what rules/conventions that uses
[19:55] <numunumu> dang
[19:55] <subscious> mefisto__ yeah ... i am trying to set up my second monitor but it isnt working .... i think its because it cant save the xorg.conf file or sth
[19:55] <numunumu> thanks for your help
[19:56] <subscious> therefore i would start it from root console
[19:56] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Sheit, yeah that is a problem... :-(
[19:56] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: I have never been able to solve such a dependency problem before without a reinstall.
[19:56] <hpladds> anyone know how to enable window shading by clicking on the window title bar?
[19:56] <mefisto__> subscious: if it's KDE4: kcmshell4 display    and if it's KDE3, kcmshell display
[19:57] <mefisto__> subscious: maybe put "kdesudo" before that to use it with root access
[19:58] <subscious> mefisto__ where can i find all these konsole commands?
[19:58] <Seren__> aptitude seems much better at resolving dependencies
[19:58] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: did you figure the problem to the level you explain it to me ?
[19:59] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Um, i dont understand, please explain.
[19:59] <mefisto__> subscious: kcmshell4 --list  will show you all the available modules. If you mean all shell commands, you can "man <commandname>" or "<commandname> --help"
[20:00] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: do you know what is the problem ? because till now I can not understand what is going on ?
[20:01] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: I am not exacly sure about what the problem is, i have had dependency problems before in ubuntu and debian but never acctually managed to solve them. Itś like, you solve one problem and by solving it you cause more problems. Something about package incompability and different repositories.
[20:02] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: example, i install a version from the standard repository and then some packages from a new one, then some old package depends on the old version but got replaced by a new version and then the problems just spin furhter.
[20:02] <mefisto__> subscious: for the built-in commands (the basic ones like cp mv cd etc) "help <commandname>"
[20:05] <alessandro_> qualcuno italiano?
[20:06] <rickest> !.it
[20:06] <alessandro_> grz
[20:06] <mefisto__> subscious: actually, cp mv etc have man pages of their own. try "help <commandname>" when there is no man page. typing "help" on its own will give you a list of commands that works with "help <commandname>"
[20:12] <cdavis> is there a keyboard shortcut to add a new note on the yellow notes widget?
[20:14] <Rikkiviisas> Hello. Could anyone help me figure out why adding memory has made my computer freeze after login?
[20:14] <mefisto__> cdavis: right-click the widget in the taskbar, configure shortcuts. there is none by default but you can set one
[20:15] <subscious> meifisto___ i am rather searching for a list of all program initialization commands
[20:16] <mefisto__> Rikkiviisas: might not be seated properly in the slot, or the new RAM may be incompatible with what you already had
[20:16] <Rikkiviisas> mefisto__: It's properly seated alright, I had to mend that before it would even boot.
[20:17] <perseid> When I start KDE the resolution is wrong, but as soon as I click Display in System Settings it snaps to the right resolution. This happens in both 4.1 and 4.2.
[20:18] <subscious> brb
[20:18] <Rikkiviisas> It freezes as soon as the plasma widgets start.
[20:18] <mefisto__> Rikkiviisas: have you tried running memtest from the grub boot menu?
[20:19] <cdavis> mefisto__: I can't find the notes widget in the task bar?
[20:20] <Rikkiviisas> mefisto__:I left it running. I'm now sitting in the university computer lab.
[20:20] <mefisto__> cdavis: is knotes running? how do you normally create a new note?
[20:21] <cdavis> mefisto__: I am a gnome person moving to kde so I have never created a note. The note on this new install says "Welcome to the Notes Plasmoid!"
[20:23] <Syndrome> So I'm switching back to XP
[20:23] <perseid> And the configuration panel for the desktop effects crashes KDE. Is this the nvidia driver or is KDe4 just this broken?
[20:24] <RobertLaptop> How stable is 4.2?  From reading it looks like 4.2 has all the pieces I need to finally replace out 3.5.  But if it isn't stable I would rather stay with 3.5 until it is.
[20:25] <Muzer> is there a way to see which udev rules files are loaded?
[20:25] <anton> I am running kde 4.2 for a week now and glad to say no issues at all
[20:26] <perseid> All of the issued I had in KDE 4.1 are still here in 4.2.
[20:26] <astromme> I tend to have very few issues, and the ones I do have are minor
[20:26] <perseid> *issues
[20:26] <mefisto__> cdavis: don't know. I can't even get the notes plasmoid to work at all. but you could try knotes
[20:26] <astromme> perseid: hmm, care to elaborate?
[20:27] <perseid> Changing desktop effects crashes KDE and the resolution is wrong at bootup, but when I open Display in System Settings to change it it snaps o the correct one.
[20:29] <mefisto__> RobertLaptop: I would say it depends on your hardware, especially graphics hardware. or rather the drivers used for you graphics hardware
[20:29] <mefisto__> *your
[20:31] <janka> hi
[20:31] <RobertLaptop> mefisto I use NVidia mostly.  I have noticed issues with 4.1 in both Nvidia and intel drivers.
[20:31] <perseid> What is the most stable NVidia driver?
[20:32] <janka> what can i use to fats
[20:32] <janka> what can i use to fats
[20:32] <janka> what can i use to fast font prewiev
[20:32] <janka> on kubuntu
[20:33] <RobertLaptop> But then again i have only used KDE4 with intel and nvidia drivers.
[20:35] <Heliodor> perseid: is there a stable nvidia driver? Then i want it :)
[20:36] <mefisto__> janka: kfontview
[20:36] <mefisto__> janka: don't know what you mean by "fast" so maybe that's not what you want
[20:39] <janka> thanks gimp helps me
[20:40] <mefisto__> RobertLaptop: it's not like ati is trouble-free either :)
[20:46] <perseid> It is apparently only the zoom effect that locks up when I go to configure it. Odd.
[20:47] <perseid> Haha. Some of these effects are eally tacky. :)
[20:50] <cdavis> Can anyone tell me where I might read abou the notes plasmoid that comes with kubuntu 8.10? I can't seem to find anything but some bug reports
[20:51] <RobertLaptop> mefiesto_ that is why I use Nvidia and intel.  Intel because it comes on everything on it works fine for basic use.  and Nvidia when I need better graphics.
[20:53] <RobertLaptop> So mefisto__ you have used 4.2 is it worth the upgrade and with Nvidia drivers will it likely run well?
[20:55] <mefisto__> RobertLaptop: it's definitely better than 4.1 but I have only used it with ati and an old laptop with intel video
[20:56] <olenz> Hello all, I'm using the KDE 4.2 backports on Kubuntu intrepid. I notice that the pager plasmoid on the desktop changes when I log out and in again. Has anyone seen this behaviour before?
[20:56] <olenz> I mean, it changes its size
[20:57] <RobertLaptop> Thanks mefisto__ but on those video cards it was pretty stable?
[20:57] <perseid> Hmm. The Global Hotkeys in Amarok aren't actually working outside the Amarok window.
[20:58] <mefisto__> olenz: does it have extra width? I mean extra space either side of the icon?
[20:58] <girevikmoto> does anybody here have experience with the the third party wireless router firmware "Tomato" ?
[20:59] <olenz> mefistor_: you mean empty space? Yes.
[20:59] <mefisto__> RobertLaptop: on the ati, yes. the old laptop with intel is underpowered and is very slow with everything so it's hard to say
[20:59] <mefisto__> olenz: I am using lancelot for my menu, and I see that sometimes. don't know why
[21:00] <perseid> It's as if some other program is intercepting the keys I want to use, but this is a fresh install.
[21:00] <mefisto__> perseid: amarok 2 ?
[21:01] <olenz> mefisto__: I wonder whether this is kubuntu specific, or KDE 4.2 in general
[21:01] <olenz> mefisto__: anyway, I have written a KDE bug report
[21:02] <ubuntu__> Hi people!
[21:02] <perseid> 1.4.
[21:03] <mefisto__> perseid: amarok 1.4 is actually a kde3 app, so kde4 global shortcuts probably override it
[21:03] <cdavis> in konqueror how do you change a single click to selec the entire url or goolge search field?
[21:03] <perseid> I thought 8.10 included 2.0...
[21:03] <girevikmoto> no one has experience with "Tomato" firmware for wireless routers?
[21:09] <markus_> exit
[21:09] <markus_> quit
[21:11] <perseid> How can I have Amarok 1.4 on 8.10?
[21:13] <legate> perseid: Isn't Amarok 1.4 the default for 8.10?
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, sudo apt-get install amarok will give you amarok 1.4.10
[21:17] <mefisto__> cdavis: don't know about single click, but F6 selects the location bar
[21:18] <mefisto__> there's a repo for amarok 2 somewhere
[21:18] <perseid> I found it.
[21:19] <RobertLaptop> 4.0 was so not ready for release.  4.1 was bearly.  I am looking forward to 4.2 and I am so tempted to upgrade but I really wont someone to tell me that is is work pretty good on 8.10 with NVidia chip sets.
[21:20] <perseid> It is not working for me very well on a 7900GT.
[21:21] <RobertLaptop> perseid what issues are you having/
[21:22] <legate> RobertLaptop: I have a laptop with an Nvidia 8600 M GT and I have absolutely no problems.
[21:23] <perseid> Some desktop effects crash KDE when I go to configure them and the resolution is wrong until I go into the Display panel of System Settings,but flips back as soon as I go to the panel - I don't have to change the res.
[21:24] <girevikmoto> i'm running kubuntu 8.04 LTS... if i wanted to install KDE 4.2 for testing purpose in addition to the default KDE 3.5 what would i need to do?
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> girevikmoto: there aren't any KDE 4.2 packages available for Hardy
[21:27] <mefisto__> girevikmoto: you could install in virtualbox for testing
[21:28] <girevikmoto> install what... the latest build of 8.10 inside a VM ?
[21:28] <mefisto__> girevikmoto: yes. but it's not a real test of course, not testing how it would fare with your particular hardware
[21:29] <RobertLaptop> My understanding is you can't have 4.x and 3.x side by side likely you can with gnome and kde.
[21:29] <mefisto__> I've heard people say there is a kde3 ppa repo for intrepid
[21:30] <jimmy51_> bah.  2 hours of tyring to get 128 bit WEP working
[21:30] <RobertLaptop> from what I have seen 4.2 might finally be the version that keeps people like me off of 3.5
[21:30] <jimmy51_> windows xp associates in 10 seconds
[21:30] <jimmy51_> kubuntu.... never
[21:31] <jimmy51_> i think it doesn't like non broadcast ssid's
[21:31] <girevikmoto> thats what im thinking also Robert
[21:31] <delphine> bonsoir, good evening or good {{timezone}}
[21:31] <RobertLaptop> keeps=kicks
[21:31] <delphine> girevikmoto: I'll say that if I can debug that one thing that has been bothering me tonight
[21:31] <delphine> I just upgareded to interepid and KDE 4.2
[21:32] <delphine> *upgraded that was
[21:32] <delphine> anyway
[21:32] <delphine> Kate is acting up
[21:32] <delphine> and won't save files in my data folder (which is not in my /home
[21:32] <delphine> )
[21:32] <girevikmoto> jimmy: why use wep and not wpa2 ?
[21:32] <delphine> any idea why?
[21:33] <delphine> like, all other apps will save anything anywhere
[21:33] <delphine> but Kate just won't
[21:33] <jimmy51_> girevikmoto: because i'm the client... not the admin :)
[21:33] <RobertLaptop> Jummy51_ setup 128 bit WEP in 10 seconds.  Not sure why it didn't work for you.  Dephine does wpa2 work in networkmanager now?
[21:34]  * delphine hasn't installed KDE 4.2 on her laptop
[21:34] <delphine> and in any case, does not use network manager
[21:34] <delphine> wicd rocks
[21:35] <jimmy51_> !wicd
[21:46] <jimmy51_> ok
[21:46] <jimmy51_> it worked when i used key 4
[21:46] <jimmy51_> what's up with that
[21:49] <afief> Does kubuntu 9.04 Beta 3 ship with KDE 4.2(release candidate/svn) or 4.1?
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> afief: 9.04 alpha 3 shipped with KDE 4.2 RC1
[21:51] <starenka> 'alo! is there a kde4.2 repo for hardy? wanna give it a second chance ;)
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> starenka: sorry, there isn't a KDE 4.2 repo for hardy :(
[21:53] <afief> JontheEchidna, thanks
[21:53] <starenka> ok. thanks. another one will there be a kde 3.5x repo for jaunty? :))
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> you're welcoime
[21:53] <afief> JontheEchidna, any evaluation on how "stable" it is?(I know it's alpha, but I've been using alphas since 6.04/6)
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> afief: I've not had any major problems.
[21:54] <remmelt> I installed ubuntu 8.10. Thereafter I also installed the KDE desktop. However I cannot run it. But when booting I see the Kubuntu screen (blue-ish) and not the Ubuntu screen. How can I uninstall Kubuntu ??
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> except that the legacy nvidia drivers don't work with the new xorg so I pinned the old packages
[21:55] <afief> JontheEchidna, then I guess I'll be trying it out. one last thing: do the binary drivers(fglrx) work on it?
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> remmelt: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> afief: no clue
[21:55] <jason_> anyone have 64 bit flash working with konqueror and kde 4.2
[21:57] <afief> JontheEchidna, I am only able to find the alpha 2 release... could you point me to alpha 3?
[21:58] <Murchadh> How do I set Konqueror as default file manager in kubuntu 8.10? I used to use kcontrol but it has been done away with I think. No offence to dolphin users but konqueror is my window to the world as well as a local file manager.
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> afief: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> Murchadh: In the file association section you can set inode/directory to be associated with konqueror rather than dolphin
[21:59] <snikker> i've add new repository from ppa for digikam-experimental, i've added to gpg key, but synaptic always say that the packages are not authenticated...
[22:00] <afief> Murchadh, sorry I don't know the answer, but your description reminded me of this (disturbing) image: http://www.geekstir.com/img/windows.jpg
[22:01] <ubuntu_> Hey, Windows explorer isn't all that bad if all you want to do is LOOK at your files.
[22:02] <Murchadh> afief: I have been looking for that for a half hour. Thank you!
[22:03] <remmelt> I cannot see my original C-drive after the installation of Ubuntu. Any tips how to get it back ?
[22:04] <SplinterOfChaos> In my file manager, I see "Volume"(ntfs)". In others, I've seen "**GBs medium" or something like.
[22:04] <SplinterOfChaos> Err, that was to remmelt.
[22:04] <rickest> remmelt: can't boot to windows or can't see drive C while running kubuntu?
[22:05] <Murchadh> That is a scary image afief. Thanks JontheEchidna, that was it!
[22:05] <afief> Murchadh, funny that I found it in konqueror(gg:Windows window to the world comic)
[22:08] <SplinterOfChaos> Where can I find information about my copy of Kubuntu, including version, date of build, etc.?
[22:08] <SplinterOfChaos> Is there an "about" file on my computer?
[22:11] <fabiano> hellow
[22:11] <fabiano> oi
[22:11] <sumone> yooo!! wuz poppin!!
[22:11] <sumone> I be havin questinos
[22:11] <sumone> can ax open dis piece?
[22:12] <sumone> sum holla back!!
[22:12] <sumone> I gots to ax sumthin
[22:13] <SplinterOfChaos> Could you rephrase your question in propper English for maximum and universal understanding, sumone? (Not that I have the answer, though.)
[22:14] <SplinterOfChaos> Or, at least the English considered "propper", since there's no true "right" English.
[22:15] <sumone> ok
[22:16] <sumone> why flash 10 isn't working neither in firefox nor in konqueror?
[22:16] <sumone> I have installed in everyway possible
[22:17] <dhendu9411> does anyone in here use ktorrent?
[22:17] <girevikmoto> i use ktorrent
[22:17] <SplinterOfChaos> The general advice I've heard around the internet is there's no need for Flash 10 and it's a little incompatible with sites based on Flash 9.
[22:18] <SplinterOfChaos> But, I don't know why it wouldn't work; I think I have it too.
[22:18] <dhendu9411> is there a set of hotkeys to display the menu at the top of the app?  I made it disappear by accident
[22:18] <nicron> moin
[22:19] <girevikmoto> the bar with the "File" "View" and all that?
[22:19] <dhendu9411> yeah
[22:19] <tictric> CTRL-M
[22:19] <girevikmoto> yup
[22:19] <girevikmoto> ctrl-m
[22:19] <dhendu9411> ah... perfect
[22:19] <dhendu9411> thanks
[22:19] <sumone> damn
[22:20] <sumone> even youtube and myshittyspace?
[22:21] <SplinterOfChaos> Youtube and myspace can't afford to not work on all flashes. They probably have work-a-rounds.
[22:22] <sumone> so it's not working
[22:25] <SplinterOfChaos> Summone: Looks like you're not the only one who's had problems: http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2008/08/flash-player-10-linux-release-candidate-now-available/
[22:25] <SplinterOfChaos> Read the 3 responces.
[22:26] <ibeekman> is there an easy way to look up the ip address of a host without parsing ping or tracert?
[22:28] <zmitya> hi all
[22:28] <zmitya> I have recorded a few seconds about my desktop with video record... it created a cps file... how can I play it back ?
[22:30] <sumone> so, why isn't working then?
[22:34] <giovanni> aiò
[22:34] <blahjake> ibeekman: local or remote?
[22:34] <snikker> i've add new repository from ppa for digikam-experimental, i've added the gpg key, but synaptic always say that the packages are not authenticated...
[22:35] <ibeekman> remote
[22:36] <blahjake> host
[22:36] <Danu> Hi. Where can i see the version of KDE that i have?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> Danu: in any application go to help -> about kde
[22:37] <blahjake> ibeekman: to cut out the mail related stuff, host -t a <host>
[22:38] <Danu> Thanks Mr. JontheEchidna. it says : Versión 4.2.00 (KDE 4.2.0) , i guess that is the las one, right?
[22:38] <Danu> last*
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> Danu: yes
[22:38] <sumone> anybody flash?
[22:39] <ssj4Gogeta> !flash
[22:40] <Socket> !digikam
[22:40] <ibeekman> I just want the ip address nothing else
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> !info digikam
[22:40] <ibeekman> I'm looking at dig and named now
[22:41] <ibeekman> sudo apt-get auto-remove
[22:41] <p_quarles> ibeekman: just the host command
[22:41] <ibeekman> haha oops
[22:41] <p_quarles> ibeekman: host www.google.com
[22:41] <blahjake> ibeekman: sorry i wasn't clear, meant the command
[22:41] <snikker> JontheEchidna: i've installed digikam from ppa
[22:41] <ibeekman> rigth but it gives me all the aliases which makes parsing difficult
[22:42] <blahjake> ibeekman: do you intend to handle the undefined condition?
[22:42] <blahjake> ibeekman: if not, just: host -t a <host> | head -n 1
[22:42] <ibeekman> I am writting a script which checks if I am connected through a certain vpn host by parsing trace -n and looking for the ip address
[22:43] <blahjake> ibeekman: so you expect a particular ip then?
[22:44] <ibeekman> right but there are multiple machines or interfaces aliased to the host name/domain name
[22:45] <ibeekman> so I want to look up the ip addresses of vpn.princeton.edu
[22:45] <ibeekman> and compare the ip address from route -n to it
[22:47] <blahjake> ibeekman: so you want to extract a single ip for vpn.princeton.edu, is that correct?
[22:48] <blahjake> ibeekman: host -t a vpn.princeton.edu | grep 'has address'
[22:49] <ibeekman> yeah thats probably what its going to come down to.  Gonna use sed to strip the ip of the other text.
[22:49] <g_> Hey every so often randomly my laptop with crash using the latest kubuntu intrepid, it will lockup completely with no way of fixing it other than a hard reboot and the caps lock will flash
[22:50] <blahjake> ibeekman: host -t a vpn.princeton.edu | grep 'has address' | awk -F'address ' '{ print $2; }'
[22:50] <joshuajtl> hi, can anyone tell me where I can download kubuntu live with kde 4.2 ?
[22:50] <joshuajtl> I've read other people have it
[22:50] <ibeekman> I'm just worried that I may be connected to a certain machine and when I do host -t a vpn.princeton.edu it will return (possibly) a different machines ip address
[22:51] <ibeekman> joshuajtl: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[22:51] <mefisto__> joshuajtl: you need kubuntu intrepid 8.10, then upgrade to kde 4.2 as per the link in topc
[22:51] <blahjake> ibeekman: as long as your dns server is the same it should be ok
[22:51] <mefisto__> *topic
[22:52] <blahjake> ibeekman: some domains have multiple ips though, like google.com
[22:53] <joshuajtl> mefisto is that possible with the live version?
[22:53] <ibeekman> right so when i connect with vpn it will route me to a specific ip, and as far as i can tell theres no gaurantee that when i look up the domain name again it will be the same ip
[22:53] <joshuajtl> mefisto__:
[22:53] <ssj4Gogeta> !ibeekman
[22:53] <ssj4Gogeta> :P
[22:53] <ibeekman> so is there a way to find all of them
[22:53] <mefisto__> joshuajtl: I don't think so
[22:53] <joshuajtl> hmm, is there a version of jaunty available yet?
[22:53] <blahjake> ibeekman: true, in fact it just changed
[22:54] <ibeekman> yeah so thats the issue.  because route -n gives me an ip address which is not gauranteed to be the same if I am connected to the vpn as when we look it up
[22:55] <joshuajtl> anyone know if a version of jaunty iso with kde 4.2 is available for download?
[22:55] <mefisto__> joshuajtl: similar for jaunty. you have to upgrade to kde 4.2, but for jaunty it will be in official repos
[22:55] <joshuajtl> i  want to try 4.2 live before installing it
[22:55] <blahjake> ibeekman: from here, it appears to be swapping aliases between two machines
[22:56] <blahjake> ibeekman: try using vpn1.princeton.edu or vpn2.princeton.edu instead?
[22:56] <mefisto__> joshuajtl: you might be able to upgrade the running livecd to 4.2 but I don't know how much RAM would be needed to do that
[22:57] <ibeekman> yeah i geuss I could just always vpn to the same machine
[22:57] <ibeekman> hold on i am looking into whois now
[22:58] <blahjake> whois, dig, and so on will all be very verbose with a lot of info you aren't interested in
[22:58] <joshuajtl> thx
[22:59] <ibeekman> ok well maybe i can create some cookies with my ip-up and ip down script which will tell me whether I am connected.
[22:59] <ibeekman> that may be a better route
[22:59] <ibeekman> (using ppp and pptp)
[23:00] <ibeekman> so where should i place these cookie files, how long do files stay in /tmp?
[23:01] <KDesk> In KDE 4.2 in the task manager plasmoid there is the option to group manualy, but how is that possible?
[23:01] <nielsslot> dragging the task using either ctrl or alt pressed, i'm not sure..
[23:02] <mefisto__> ibeekman: I think /tmp is emptied on boot
[23:02] <SSJ_GZ> KDesk: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3864
[23:02] <ibeekman> ok so that should be fine because *clearly* one cannot be connected while the machine is off
[23:03] <KDesk> SSJ_GZ: thank you for the link, I will read it :)
[23:03] <SSJ_GZ> np :)
[23:03] <ssj4Gogeta_> hi, the font in konsole when I start it is too small and i have to press ctrl+plus to increase the size everytime i start it. is there a way to set a default font size?
[23:03] <Adola> How can I "refresh" or"Dump" a resource?
[23:03] <Adola> Cannot open /dev/ttySHCF0: Device or resource busy
[23:03] <ibeekman> hmmm well I guess I'll see i think the scripts hung in ip-up.d are executed with privelages to modify /etc/ppp/ so I'll try doing it there first
[23:04] <ibeekman> thanks all for your help
[23:04] <ibeekman> I really appreciate it
[23:04] <roconnor> Is aptitude still the only package manager where you can mark packages as automatically installed?
[23:06] <ssj4Gogeta_> any help please? :)
[23:06] <Adola> Dump a resource?  anyone?
[23:07] <Adola> ssj4Gogeta_: Have you tried setting it in profiles?
[23:08] <ibeekman> ssj4Gogeta_: in the konsole menubar: settings>edit current profile
[23:08] <ibeekman> appearance tab
[23:08] <ibeekman> slider in the font box
[23:08] <ssj4Gogeta_> thank you Adola and ibeekman :)
[23:08] <Adola> No prob :P
[23:09] <Adola> Now, anyon eknow how to dump a resource?  Or however you would say it?
[23:09] <Adola> Cannot open /dev/ttySHCF0: Device or resource busy
[23:09] <ibeekman> np
[23:09] <rudolf> can someone help me?
[23:09] <Adola> roconnor: Adept does it too
[23:09] <rudolf> my keyrepitation is different
[23:10] <rudolf> mean key repeat
[23:10] <rudolf> hi ist jemand da?
[23:10] <Adola> rudolf: Kickoff>Settings
[23:11] <Adola> Hrm, nevermind, i can't find it eitehr
[23:11] <rudolf> Adola: have did it yet
[23:11] <rudolf> but it function only in view programs and not in all
[23:12] <rudolf> mean some
[23:12] <rudolf> for exmaple not in firefox
[23:12] <harjot> help in gambas plz
[23:13] <ssj4Gogeta_> Is there a way to add "run as sudo" to the right-click menu?
[23:13] <ssj4Gogeta_> I'm a new user
[23:14] <harjot> [newbie question] how do i get gambas to get the open file dialog when they click the 'open' button i created
[23:14] <rudolf> imo no chance
[23:14] <harjot> help
[23:14] <harjot> plz
[23:15] <harjot> [newbie question] how do i get gambas to get the open file dialog when they click the 'open' button i created
[23:15] <harjot> anybody???????????????????????/////
[23:15] <Adola> harjot: Gambas?
[23:15] <Adola> We will help if we know how.
[23:15] <harjot> yes adola
[23:15] <Adola> What is gambas?
[23:16] <harjot> basically a type of basic
[23:16] <harjot> BASIC creator
[23:16] <Adola> Then mabye you should ask in #gambas if there is that room
[23:16] <harjot> a bit like visual basic
[23:16] <Adola> Or in a code room.
[23:16] <Adola> #basic
[23:16] <harjot> nobody ever replies
[23:16] <Adola> Maybe, I don't know if there is anyone in there
[23:17] <harjot> these people stay on and dont say anything
[23:17] <Adola> I dont recommend you pester them, but, they will hellp eventually.
[23:17] <harjot> no other channel i know i could join
[23:17] <Adola> They may just not be there.
[23:17] <Adola> Besides, to help you, we would have to see your code
[23:17] <Adola> !pastebin
[23:18] <harjot> pastebin
[23:18] <harjot> ?
[23:18] <harjot> !pastebin
[23:19] <ssj4Gogeta_> Any answers to my question? Is there a way to add "run as sudo" to the right-click menu?
[23:19] <Adola> ssj4Gogeta_: Are you using Dolphin or Konq?
[23:19] <mefisto__> ssj4Gogeta_: what right-click menu?
[23:20] <Adola> Because, with konq, you can "open terminal here" and do this "sudo ./<nameofexecutable>"
[23:25] <senorpedro> how can i create a deb package from a source tarball?
[23:27] <RobertLaptop> Since I had to rebuild my box today anyway from a HD crash I am going to find out just how stable 4.2 is right now.
[23:30] <mefisto__> senorpedro: checkinstall does that I believe
[23:32] <senorpedro> but it doesnt create 'real' packages....
[23:34] <harjot> PUBLIC SUB MovieBox1_MouseDown()
[23:34] <harjot> END
[23:34] <harjot> gambas help plz
[23:34] <harjot> [newbie question] how do i get gambas to get the open file dialog when they click the 'open' button i created
[23:37] <Ms_Hutch> i have two sound cards (on built in on motherboard) and I am trying to use the motherboards sound card for skype and all other sound with the other card... the other card is working fine and the speakers to the builtin card work but not the microphone.  can anyone help?
[23:40] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: the mic input doesn't work at all? or just in skype?
[23:41] <Ms_Hutch> mefisto__, i do not have another program to test the mic in
[23:44] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: have you set skype to use the card you want in options > sound devices > sound in ?
[23:45] <RobertLaptop> Man 4.2 is cool.
[23:45] <RobertLaptop> 4.2 is want I expected 4.0 to be.
[23:46] <Ms_Hutch> mefisto__, yes
[23:47] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: what about the mic input levels in kmix? is the mic muted maybe? turned up the slider?
[23:49] <Ms_Hutch> mefisto__, i have gone to kmix and had all channels show... all are turned up all the way and none are muted
[23:49] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: the mic will probably be in the input tab, called mic or capture or something like that, depending on your soundcard
[23:50] <Ms_Hutch> mefisto__, i just set all input sources to mic and still same issue
[23:52] <bryan_> hello all. after the computer updates. there is a command to restart bash(?) so, i dont have to totally reboot.
[23:55] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: maybe install a program that can record audio, so you can make sure the mic input is working
[23:56] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: eg audacity
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> bryan_- yeah, bash isn't what you're talking about
[23:57] <bryan_> Dragnslcr: yea i figured.. what is the name of the linux kernel?
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> bryan_- Linux
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> If you've updated the kernel, you'd have to reboot to load the new kernel
[23:58] <bryan_> Dragnslcr: it was a system update. and now it says it needs to reboot.
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> If you've just updated KDE or X Windows, you can log out and select "Restart X" from the menu on the login screen
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, probably a kernel update. There's no hurry to reboot, though. Programs should keep working without any problems
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> I still have to reboot from a kernel update a couple weeks ago
[23:59] <bryan_> Dragnslcr: yea, thats why i like linux. it doesnt force you to restart
[23:59] <the_hammer> hey all is there not a package manager called sysmatec or something for the new kubuntu?