[01:36] <pwnguin> does anyone else find it funny that brasero "burn image" prompts for both .iso and svg/png?
[01:49] <maco> pwnguin: seriously?
[01:50] <maco> it tells me "please select another image. it doesnt appear to be a valid image or a valid cue file."
[01:50] <maco> if i try a png
[01:51] <pwnguin>  maybe it's just intrepid
[01:51] <pwnguin> im burning a jaunty cd right now
[01:52] <pwnguin> to undo whatever horror i inflicted while attempting to set up ext4
[02:34] <teethdood> anyone else having trouble logging in after suspend?
[03:06] <pwnguin> so are there any migrate to ext4 tutorials that also mention fixing the UUID?
[03:11] <pwnguin> anyone know what script will update grub to use the right UUID's?
[03:17] <milos_> update-grub?
[03:21] <milos_> pwnguin, do you have a lot of entries?
[03:26] <pwnguin> milos_: no
[03:26] <pwnguin> i have a lot of wrong entries
[03:28] <pwnguin> well, here's hopin i fixed it
[03:29] <pwnguin> nope..
[03:30] <Andre_Gondim> I have no sound until the last updated
[03:41] <milos_> pwnguin, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-899040.html
[03:43] <milos_> pwnguin, here it says you should delete menu.list(probably backup it first) and than recreate it with update-grub
[03:44] <pwnguin> hmm
[04:29] <DanaG> Heh, new nvidia-glx-96 96.43.10 claims to have support for X server 1.5.999.something... but if I try it on my Jaunty, it segfaults (after hanging for a while before I kill gnome-panel)
[04:35] <DanaG> read(3, 0x9e80eb0, 4096)
[04:35] <DanaG> it reads the same file descriptor and address over and over again, with EAGAIN each time... and then Xorg dies.
[04:36] <pwnguin> grr
[04:37] <pwnguin> any idea why grub would just dump me into command line with no error?
[04:37] <DanaG> Can't find menu.lst, perhaps.
[04:37] <pwnguin> an interesting theory
[04:39] <pwnguin> DanaG: where does grub look for menu.lst at?
[04:39] <DanaG> I'm not sure.
[04:39] <DanaG> If you can manually command-line boot Ubuntu, you can try reinstalling Grub.
[04:39] <pwnguin> i did
[04:39] <pwnguin> im in the gui right now ;)
[04:40] <DanaG> !grub
[04:40] <pwnguin> i moved the old menu.list out of the way and ran update-grub, still broke
[04:40] <DanaG> YOu could try that.
[04:41] <DanaG> Might want to copy back menu.lst, though.
[04:41] <pwnguin> it's basically the same
[04:41] <pwnguin> update-grub rebuilds menu.lst
[04:42] <DanaG> Not the same thing as reinstalling grub.
[04:42] <DanaG> It's worth a try.
[04:42] <pwnguin> im sorry; i meant i manually booted from the grub cli, not reinstalled
[04:43] <pwnguin> i'll look into that
[04:43] <DanaG> ah.
[04:45] <DanaG> Ugh, stupid nvidia 96 just crashes Xorg.
[04:45] <DanaG> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126954
[04:46] <DanaG> I actually AM glad my new laptop has ATI.
[04:46] <pwnguin> i just use nouveau
[04:46] <Tekno>  unable to open files list file for package `libxext-dev': Input/output error
[04:46] <Tekno> what does that mean
[04:46] <Tekno> im trying to apt-get things
[04:48] <DanaG> hmm, look in dmesg for any corresponding I/O error. =P
[04:53] <Tekno> [ 2229.398644] EXT4-fs error (device sda1): __ext4_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=831093, block=1671184
[05:05] <DanaG> GlxSetVisualConfigs not found.
[05:05] <DanaG> (EE) NOUVEAU(0):       NVIDIA's glx present, or glx not loaded.
[05:06] <DanaG> RAOF: isn't here.  Bummer.
[05:07] <DanaG> Well, I actually prefer not to ping people if the room is mostly silent and my issue is non-critical.
[05:08] <DanaG> yeah, nouveau not workin'.
[05:11] <pwnguin> well
[05:11] <pwnguin> you're not gonna get 3d
[05:11] <pwnguin> least not yet
[05:13] <DanaG> I know that... so then why is it even trying?
[05:13] <DanaG> I must be missing something in xorg.conf.
[05:14] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f1166e2c6
[05:15] <DanaG> oh, and I tried this  nvidia legacy, but it crashed Xorg.
[05:15] <DanaG> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126954
[05:16] <pwnguin> that is a very well commented conf file ;)
[05:16] <DanaG> " Added support for X.org server 1.5.99.901."
[05:16] <pwnguin> im guessing "allowglxwithcomposite" is your culprit
[05:16] <DanaG> I also used to have one for all the Synaptics options, but then i had to move them to a HAL FDI file.
[05:17] <DanaG> Xorg -version:
[05:17] <DanaG> X.Org X Server 1.5.99.901 (1.6.0 RC 1)
[05:17] <DanaG> Looks like the same version to me.  =P
[05:17] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f21355406
[05:17] <DanaG> log.
[05:17] <pwnguin> whats this devicve vbox video?
[05:18] <DanaG> Not used; it was so I could use one xorg.conf in multiple places.
[05:18] <DanaG> If one device doesn't load, it'll fall through to the next.
[05:21] <pwnguin> interesting.
[05:21] <pwnguin> #
[05:21] <pwnguin> #
[05:21] <pwnguin> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so: undefined symbol: miInitVisualsProc
[05:24] <DanaG> should I pastebin the output of 'strings' of that file?
[05:24] <DanaG> Looks like it is SGI.
[05:27] <pwnguin> try dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[05:30] <DanaG> -modaliases, -settings, -kernel-common
[05:30] <DanaG> and -common
[05:30] <DanaG> Is version supposed to be this, or am I missing a PPA?
[05:30] <DanaG> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (1:0.0.10~git+20090105+7dc567d-1) experimental; urgency=low
[05:32] <pwnguin> you shouldn't need a ppa in jaunty
[05:32] <pwnguin> but i think it's mainly the glx failing to load
[05:33] <DanaG> Ah.  Well, is there a way to get it not to even try?
[05:33] <DanaG> Or to use mesa, rather than trying to do anything direct?
[05:33] <pwnguin> well yea
[05:34] <pwnguin> just remove "glx" from the modules group
[05:34] <pwnguin> err
[05:34] <pwnguin> hrm. glx is enabled by default =(
[05:36] <DanaG> If it can't do 3D anyway... then it really shouldn't be trying.  =P
[05:36] <pwnguin> well, it loaded for me
[05:36] <DanaG> odd.
[05:36] <pwnguin> and glxgears runs, albeit slowly
[05:36] <DanaG> any custom stuff in xorg.conf?
[05:36] <pwnguin> oh yes
[05:36] <pwnguin> lemme pastebin it for your perusal
[05:36] <DanaG> Thanks.
[05:36] <DanaG> yay:
[05:36] <DanaG> !info pastebinit
[05:36] <DanaG> yay.
[05:37] <DanaG> y'know, that'd be something good to install by default.
[05:38] <pwnguin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/111561/
[05:38] <pwnguin> yep. knew about pastebinit
[05:40] <DanaG> yup, was saying "yay" rather than "you should use it"
[05:41] <DanaG> Odd.  Mine is the same.
[05:41] <pwnguin> maybe i should reboot
[05:41] <DanaG> or rather, nothing specially different.
[05:41] <DanaG> xserver-xorg-core
[05:41] <DanaG> Version: 2:1.5.99.901-1ubuntu1
[05:42] <DanaG> RAOF: oh hey, you're back.
[05:43] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f1166e2c6
[05:43] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f21355406
[05:44] <DanaG> Trying to use nouveau.
[05:44] <RAOF> DanaG: You've still got nvidia's libglx.
[05:44] <RAOF> #
[05:44] <RAOF> #
[05:44] <RAOF> (EE) NOUVEAU(0):       NVIDIA's glx present, or glx not loaded.
[05:44] <pwnguin> glx didn't load
[05:44] <pwnguin> complained about a symbol
[05:45] <DanaG> I did a --uninstall, and it left something behind?
[05:45] <RAOF> Quite possibly.
[05:45] <pwnguin> maybe thats an nvidia only symbol?
[05:45] <RAOF> Probably.
[05:45] <RAOF> sudo aptitude reinstall ~nxorg should do the trick :)
[05:45] <FFForever> can someone open up gedit and change the current window and tell me if the gedit follows it....
[05:45] <DanaG> I was trying 96.43.10...
[05:45] <pwnguin> oh, if you installed an nvidia thing by hand
[05:45] <pwnguin> thats your deal to sort out ;)
[05:46] <DanaG> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126954  :  " Added support for X.org server 1.5.99.901."
[05:46] <DanaG> Xorg -version:  X.Org X Server 1.5.99.901 (1.6.0 RC 1)
[05:47] <DanaG> Well, at least now I know where to look.
[05:47] <teethdood> firefox vertical scrolling is terrible
[05:47] <DanaG> nvidia-only symbol, that's a good hint.
[05:47] <pwnguin> well,
[05:47] <pwnguin> the first google hits are for fglrx
[05:48] <FFForever> can someone plz test the gedit....
[05:48] <pwnguin> FFForever: "follows it"
[05:48] <DanaG> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     12 2009-01-29 20:48 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2
[05:48] <pwnguin> you mean like, typing on both?
[05:48] <FFForever> well yeah its set to always on visible on current workstation =\
[05:49] <FFForever> i need 2 know if its my system or bug...
[05:49] <DanaG> that's not nvidia binary.
[05:49] <pwnguin> heh
[05:49] <pwnguin> mine is
[05:49] <pwnguin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2009-01-25 03:17 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.173.14.09
[05:49] <FFForever> all new gedit windows for me are automatically set to always visible on current workstartion...
[05:49] <pwnguin> always on top?
[05:50] <FFForever> yeah
[05:51] <pwnguin> FFForever: are you running something crazy like devil's pie?
[05:51] <FFForever> devils pie?
[05:51] <FFForever> i am just using a stock jaunty....
[05:52] <genii> I'm hungry for devils food cake now
[05:52] <pwnguin> that reminds me
[05:52] <pwnguin> i have some angel food cake
[05:53] <DanaG> so I can't figure out what's up with that glx.
[05:54] <DanaG> I mean, I know 3D isn't supposed to work... but shouldn't X at least start?
[05:54] <DanaG> =P
[05:55] <FFForever> any news on the no audio problem btw?
[05:57]  * DanaG has no audio problem... that is, no problem.  =P
[05:57] <DanaG> =P
[05:58] <DanaG> Oh yeah, i do have PulseAudio crashing on resume from suspend sometimes, though.
[05:58] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I really am glad I got my new laptop with ATI.
[05:58] <SwedeMike> I have no audio right now as well.
[05:58] <DanaG> radeon is FAR far better at suspend than either nv or nouveau, from when i've used either of those.
[05:59] <FFForever> does anyone have a problem with the current kernel?, i get a kernel error on load....
[05:59] <FFForever> kernel panic*
[06:02]  * DanaG is force-purging libgl1-mesa-dri and -glx, and xserver-xorg-core.
[06:04] <DanaG> ah, that fixificated it.
[06:04] <DanaG> yeah, made-up non-word.
[06:05] <DanaG> At least ATI's manual installer... builds ******* PACKAGES.
[06:05] <DanaG> odd, no swrast_dri, either.
[06:06] <burner> anyone know how to fix virtualbox host interface?  it worked for a few weeks until a day or two ago.  http;//burner.ath.cx:800/vbox-grr.png
[06:15] <RAOF> DanaG: Well, neither nv nor nouveau are expected to resume from suspend, so _any_ support is better than their support!
[06:15] <DanaG> =P
[06:16] <DanaG> I'm glad I'm not regretting the decision to go ATI.
[06:16] <DanaG> Also gets longer battery life than the NV would on the same laptop.
[06:16] <DanaG> ... except with the 'radeon' driver, it only changes clocks, not voltages.
[06:17] <DanaG> So if I absolutely need battery time, I can just boot Vista.  I rarely do "absolutely need" it, though.
[06:17] <DanaG> I just wish AMD could've pushed out power-management specs while they were still not done with the 3D specs.
[06:17] <DanaG> RV635 card.
[06:18] <pwnguin> !grub
[06:18] <DanaG> Weirdest GRUB error ever:
[06:18] <DanaG> GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB
[06:18] <pwnguin> o
[06:18] <DanaG> ... and then nothing after that.
[06:18] <pwnguin> you win
[06:18] <DanaG> I once had that happen.
[06:18] <pwnguin> i thought my frozen laptop bug was wierd
[06:18] <Tekno> :DDDDDDDDD
[06:18] <pwnguin> that takes the cake
[06:19] <DanaG> pwnguin: ooh, use it to make ice cream?
[06:19] <pwnguin> my laptop hard drive does not like cold
[06:19] <DanaG> =P
[06:19] <pwnguin> i get different grub errors until it warms up
[06:20] <DanaG> heh.
[06:20] <DanaG> Might want to check the SMART status, and such.
[06:20] <pwnguin> on a drive that doesn't boot? or when it works normally?
[06:21] <DanaG> When it's booted.
[06:21] <DanaG> Or when booted from a LiveCD.
[06:21] <pwnguin> well rigth now im more concerned with this damn grub thing
[06:22] <pwnguin> i dont leave it on a concrete floor anymore
[06:22] <pwnguin> so i rarely trigger it
[06:22] <pwnguin> but not finding menu.lst is big. does grub not support ext4?
[06:23] <DanaG> It should, in really recent versions.
[06:23] <DanaG> At least, that's what the changelogs say.
[06:23] <SwedeMike> for stability, it's probably good to stick to ext3 for /boot for a bit more
[06:24] <pwnguin> hmm
[06:25] <pwnguin> can i retune ext4 to ext3?
[06:25] <DanaG> I actually have two ways to boot:
[06:25] <DanaG> Boot through MBR and grub (legacy) on ext4,
[06:25] <DanaG> or boot through EFI boot manager and elilo.
[06:26] <pwnguin> what uses efi besides macbooks?
[06:27] <DanaG> My EliteBook has UEFI 2.0 firmware.
[06:28] <DanaG> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/CoreRedirect.jsp?redirectReason=DocIndexPDF&prodSeriesId=3781677&targetPage=http%3A%2F%2Fbizsupport1.austin.hp.com%2Fbc%2Fdocs%2Fsupport%2FSupportManual%2Fc01564727%2Fc01564727.pdf
[06:29] <DanaG> I prefer mbr-based booting because Intel's Vista WiFi drivers don't work under EFI boot mode.
[06:29] <DanaG> ... and efibootmgr doesn't have a "savedefault"
[06:31] <DanaG> That rEFIt bootloader looks like a cool idea, but it assumes EFI is exactly equivalent to Apple... as if nobody else uses EFI or UEFI.
[06:36] <DanaG> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/CoreRedirect.jsp?redirectReason=DocIndexPDF&prodSeriesId=3781677&targetPage=http%3A%2F%2Fbizsupport1.austin.hp.com%2Fbc%2Fdocs%2Fsupport%2FSupportManual%2Fc01607517%2Fc01607517.pdf
[06:58] <syockit> what's with this akonadi/kres-migrator thing that keeps appearing every start?
[07:20] <pwnguin> do i need to add rootfstype=ext4 to grub config somewhere?
[07:21] <syockit> I don't think so. if grub supports ext4, it should detect auto
[07:21] <pwnguin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/316872
[07:21] <pwnguin> im reading that right now
[07:28] <Tekno> pwnguin: yes you need roofstype=ext4 to boot without errors
[07:29] <Tekno> (i'm using ext4)
[07:31] <pwnguin> Tekno: which errors?
[07:31] <pwnguin> cuz it just worked
[07:32] <pwnguin> i ran the grub-install command, then removed and reinstalled again for good measure, and ran grub-install again
[07:33] <pwnguin> oh wow this is different
[07:34] <pwnguin> uuid instead of root
[07:35] <pwnguin> Tekno: i dont have a rootfstype set in my menu.lst
[07:36] <pwnguin> Tekno: obviously, if it works for you i wouldn't recommend changing it
[07:37] <Tekno> well, I just get errors without it
[07:37] <Tekno> nothing eles
[07:37] <Tekno> else
[07:37] <Tekno> not a big deal
[07:37] <pwnguin> maybe there's a situation with grub-install
[07:37] <pwnguin> people are reporting some ancient ass binaries
[07:37] <pwnguin> scripts, whatever
[07:54] <pwnguin> wow
[07:55] <pwnguin> 21 second boot time
[07:55] <pwnguin> donno how much of that is ext4, readahead profile, jdong's readahead tar trick or ubuntu developer effort
[07:56] <Tekno> I got ~2-3 seconds decrease in boot time
[07:56] <Tekno> 25->22
[07:59] <pwnguin> it was 30
[07:59] <pwnguin> its now 20
[08:04] <syockit> You created / in new partition?
[08:04] <syockit> Or just added extents to old one?
[08:10] <pwnguin> i just retuned an existing partition
[08:26] <ziroday> Do you need the alternate cd for ext4?
[08:26] <ziroday> or does the desktop cd do?
[08:26] <Tekno> I used Gparted usb-stick
[08:27] <Tekno> Latest SVN which supports ext4 partitioning
[09:02] <marijus> hello, liferea runs really slow and produces a lot of hdd activity...
[09:07] <vega-> ziroday: desktop cd has it too
[09:07] <ziroday> vega-: sweetm thanks!
[09:37] <Kano> hi, it seems the kubuntu jaunty live is still broken, any idea when it will work again?
[10:32] <syockit> Keep you fingers crossed for the next alpha then
[11:04] <Tekno> what is best way to make backup of everything
[11:07] <BUGabundo> Tekno: clonezilla ?
[11:08] <Tekno> can it send files over LAN ?
[11:09] <BUGabundo> yep
[11:09] <BUGabundo> samba ssh nfs, etc
[11:09] <BUGabundo> live usb, live cd
[11:09] <BUGabundo> based on debian and on ubuntu
[11:56] <dholbach> "How to run a Bug Jam" session to kick off in 4 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:01] <jimmyspark> guys if anyone would like to see a third menu for ubuntu, a super menu which i think would make the dekstop more familiar for windows converts then plz vote my idea here: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17733/
[12:10] <x1250_> naah, to much windows alike.
[12:12] <syockit> I told you
[12:12] <syockit> in kde4 there's something like lancelot
[12:13] <syockit> I have to admit default gnome menu is dull
[12:16] <x1250_> I think its ok, although "system" menu could be improved. system->preferences tends to be a little crowded over time.
[12:20] <syockit> do it like fedora?
[12:21] <jimmyspark> yeh x1250_ i agree - the gnome-control-center app is wicked and under used
[12:21] <x1250_> syockit, how is it in fedora?
[12:22] <jimmyspark> brb lunhc
[12:22] <syockit> In fedora, Preferences is divided into subgroups
[12:23] <syockit> But the one below it is still packed
[12:23] <syockit> what was it called again? administration?
[12:41] <BUGabundo> did anyone got probs with Firefox playback with todays updates?
[12:42] <BUGabundo> I have no sound, and videos stop playback after 2 secs ....
[16:11] <Kuaera> Hrm. How long has two-finger touchpad scrolling been working for?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> I've seen in it on several eeepcs
[16:17] <BUGabundo> with 8.10 and up
[16:17] <BUGabundo> Kuaera: ^^^^^. why?
[16:21] <ziroday> Has the propriatery ati drivers been uploaded yet?
[16:36] <Kuaera> BUGabundo: I hadn't noticed it until I randomly tried it today.
[16:36] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:36] <BUGabundo> you have an EEEPC?
[16:36] <Kuaera> BUGabundo: This is a Thinkpad T42, too. Kind of an old machine.
[16:36] <BUGabundo> it amazing the amount of eeepc users that don't know they can scroll with 2 fingers
[16:37] <BUGabundo> hummm
[16:37] <BUGabundo> wait
[16:37] <BUGabundo> WHAT?
[16:37] <Kuaera> BUGabundo: Well, is it a hardware feature or a synaptic driver feature?
[16:37] <BUGabundo> your OLD thinkpad does 2 finger scroll?
[16:37] <BUGabundo> mine doesn't!
[16:37] <Kuaera> Odd.
[16:38] <Kuaera> I can't precisely remember when I got it, as I have a horrible memory for such things, but...
[16:38] <Kuaera> Three and a half years old?
[16:38] <BUGabundo> really odd
[16:39] <Kuaera> Are you certain it's not a feature of an updated synaptic driver?
[16:39] <Kuaera> I know I had some "special" scrolling features under Windows when I first got this, but I don't recall ANY mention of two-finger scrolling
[16:42] <Kuaera> Unfortunately, it only does y-scrolling :(
[16:44] <BUGabundo> Kuaera: and if you scroll near the bottom?
[16:44] <BUGabundo> is it enabled on the Mouse options?
[16:45] <Kuaera> BUGabundo: No changes near the bottom. Checking options now.
[16:45] <Kuaera> BUGabundo: I didn't alter my xorg.conf at all for this, either.
[16:46] <BUGabundo> neither do I
[16:46] <BUGabundo> and mine works X and Y
[16:46] <BUGabundo> with "regular" one finger scroll
[16:46] <Kuaera> Ah.
[16:47] <Kuaera> I know I've seen some touchpads with "rails" near the bottom and right for scrolling
[16:49] <BUGabundo> yeah mine as just a vertical line "painted" on the touchpad
[16:55] <genii> Mine does not have the bottom rail but it still will side-scroll
[16:55] <genii> I'm pretty sure all that is done in software
[17:07] <BUGabundo> genii: yep
[17:14] <Kuaera> BUGabundo: So, if that's the case, why am I suddenly getting two-finger y-scrolling without anything special in my xorg?
[17:32] <maxb> Assuming your hardware can actually detect multiple fingers, whether to *do* anything with that info is up to the synaptics driver
[17:46] <Kuaera> maxb: So the Synaptics driver does y-scrolling with two fingers by default? Hrm. Checking the defaults, it seems that SHMConfig is turned off by default as well.
[17:46] <maxb> It's changed a lot recently, I can believe that it might have turned on two-finger scrolling
[17:55] <Kuaera> maxb: I restarted X with some features up, but screwed up a little. Looking over Xorg.0.log reveals a lot of interesting things.
[17:56] <Kuaera> maxb: I don't see anything regarding two finger scrolling, however.
[18:04] <TheFuzzball> Does anyone have FGLRX working?
[18:04] <Kuaera> Sorry I'm in and out so much. Just trying to figure out what to do with this.
[18:05] <Kuaera> maxb: The latest xorg-server ignores inputdevice declarations in favor of HAL, correct? If so, how does one anticipate configuring a synaptic touchpad? SHMConfig is off as well, so no runtime configuration is possible.
[18:09] <BUGabundo> hi
[18:09] <BUGabundo> is sound borked in jaunty?
[18:09] <BUGabundo> I got alsa-driver (1.0.18.dfsg-1ubuntu3) jaunty; urgency=low in todays updates
[18:10] <SwedeMike> yes, sound is borked.
[18:10] <TheFuzzball> Sound is fine for me.
[18:10] <maxb> Kuaera: like this, apparently: http://rafb.net/p/bM5WEa91.html
[18:10] <Kuaera> It's iffy.
[18:10] <BUGabundo> it was here too, until I did the morning updates
[18:11] <SwedeMike> my sound was borked with update 1-2 days ago
[18:11] <Kuaera> My Audigy 2 ZS in my desktop hasn't worked in a while.
[18:11] <BUGabundo> I read someone yesterday complaining of it too
[18:11] <Kuaera> However, my laptop seems to work fine...have to look up the chipset there.
[18:11] <TheFuzzball> Well I'm enjoying Pantera with the latest updates.
[18:11] <charlie-tca> Mine works, but I have to turn it on every restart
[18:11] <BUGabundo> mine worked until today, I booted and even heard pidign
[18:11] <Kuaera> With a lot of sound daemon changes, you probably can expect some issues like this
[18:11] <BUGabundo> but then UM kicked in, and no more sound
[18:11] <BUGabundo> no MUTE here
[18:12] <SwedeMike> BUGabundo: exactly same problem I have.
[18:12] <Kuaera> maxb: Cool, thanks. You configure xorg HAL devices in HAL, silly me.
[18:12] <BUGabundo> both in PA and alsamixergui
[18:12] <BUGabundo> can't find anything recent in LP
[18:12] <SwedeMike> multiple people have been complaining here
[18:12] <BUGabundo> but no LP bug
[18:12] <BUGabundo> AFAICS
[18:12] <BUGabundo> will open a new one right now
[18:13] <BUGabundo> against alsa
[18:13] <TheFuzzball> Does anyone know a fix for the Apple Keyboard and the F* keys perhaps?
[18:16] <Kuaera> maxb: Do I have to restart X for that file to take effect?
[18:17] <maxb> Yes, and hal too
[18:17] <maxb> (I think)
[18:17] <Kuaera> maxb: Well, I had restarted HAL to no effect - likely because the device had already been loaded
[18:18] <Kuaera> I'll try it in a little bit, and thanks again.
[18:18] <maxb> restarting hal and then logging out of and back into X works for me
[18:21] <BUGabundo> guys with sound probs
[18:21] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/319505
[18:31] <kab> my sound is working, but I heard pauses when I play mp3's, with audacious and rythmbox
[19:13] <isaac> uhm, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Drivers
[19:13] <isaac> We are including the 2.6.1 -intel driver along with updated beta versions of mesa and xserver in current jaunty. This marks a significant upgrade from what we shipped in alpha-3.
[19:13] <isaac> but my composite still sucks in jaunty
[19:14] <isaac> is it normal or is it some misconfiguration on my part?
[19:29] <Kuaera> maxb: You are a god.
[19:30] <maxb> heh
[19:30] <maxb> Why thank you :-)
[19:30] <Kuaera> I figured I'd give you something you could screencapture and feel good about in exchange :P
[19:41] <cwillu> isaac, really slow compared to how it was in hardy?
[19:45] <cwillu> isaac, there's a bug that doesn't have a good fix yet related to certain intel cards.  If you're on a 32bit machine, the workaround that works for me is to run the -server kernel, which has pae enabled, which disables the new gem video memory manager, which is the source of the grief
[19:47] <cwillu> isaac, (really slow compared to intrepid, rather, but anyways)
[19:51] <isaac> cwillu: i have just been pointed to
[19:52] <isaac>  Archive: open, MoM running, alpha-3: released | Ubuntu 8.10 released! | Develop
[19:52] <isaac> 20:24 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 320813 in mesa "[GM45] with EXA compiz animations
[19:52] <isaac>                 cause temporary freezes" [High,Confirmed]
[19:52] <isaac>                 https://launchpad.net/bugs/320813
[19:52] <isaac> in #ubuntu-devel
[19:52] <isaac> which seems to be the cause
[20:28] <Volkodav> update-manager -d does not work - is there another way to upgrade ?
[20:28] <Volkodav> maybe synaptic ?
[20:29] <Pici> !doesntwork
[20:29] <mvo> Volkodav: what is the error
[20:29] <mvo> Volkodav: there are other ways, but we rather fix update-manager than to workaround :)
[20:31] <Volkodav> some hal error
[20:31] <Volkodav> i am not at that machine
[20:36] <shadowhywind> How does one go about manually saving the session?
[21:51] <mphill> anyone know if the new nvidia drivers are working under Xorg
[21:51] <maco> any evolution users around at the moment?
[21:52] <andersk> mphill: see bug 322416
[21:53] <andersk> I use evolution a little bit.
[21:56] <mphill> andersk: thanks
[21:57] <mphill> maco: I used it today to sync my winmo phone. then it segfaulted
[21:57] <maco> hah
[21:58] <maco> andersk: if you have an evo session open for a while, do you eventually stop being able to toggle the little triangle fold-out things?
[21:58] <andersk> That's never happened to me.
[22:02] <Andre_Gondim> how may i know wich module sound i need?
[22:04] <Andre_Gondim> how may i know which module sound i need?
[22:07] <maco> Andre_Gondim: are you sure no sound module is currently loaded?
[22:07] <Andre_Gondim> maco, I think so
[22:08] <maco> Andre_Gondim: wait are you jsut getting no outputs in your volume control thng? if so, that's a known bug
[22:09] <maco> "pulsaudio -k && start-pulseaudio-x11"
[22:09] <maco> but to check for sound modules being loaded: lsmod | grep snd
[22:09] <Andre_Gondim> maco, yeah, this is my problem, no output sound
[22:10] <Andre_Gondim> maco, you save my sound life, thanks :D
[22:12] <mphill> andersk: are you using the nvidia binary driver, does it work well for you?
[22:23] <dtchen> maco: `pulseaudio -k ; start-pulseaudio-x11' is preferable, as it is guaranteed to work if you had audible audio in intrepid
[22:24] <dtchen> (s-p-x does the right thing if the daemon is already running)
[22:24] <maco> dtchen: ok thanks
[22:24] <dtchen> mphill: which version/
[22:25] <dtchen> mphill: 180.25 works correctly and resolves a number of PM issues, yes
[22:25] <Kuaera> maxb: In regards to the snippet you linked earlier [ http://rafb.net/p/bM5WEa91.html ], how would one set additional settings, such as HorizTwoFingerScroll, PalmDetect, etc?
[22:25] <dtchen> mphill: that said, it does _not_ work if you use a number of xorg.conf options
[22:26] <maxb> Kuaera: Simply duplicate the <merge.... line as many times as you like, and change key and value
[22:26] <maxb> (are you familiar with XML?)
[22:27] <Kuaera> Yes, but it does not seem to be working.
[22:28] <maco> Kuaera: did you log out and log back in?
[22:28] <maxb> *and* restart hal before doing that?
[22:28] <Kuaera> Nevermind, I found the issue >_> The font I was using in my editor wasn't working right, so what I thought was a period was an underscore.
[22:29] <Kuaera> Here's what I have now:
[22:29] <Kuaera> http://rafb.net/p/TpYKin40.html
[22:34] <Kuaera> Restarting HAL made it rather impossible to type, so. I am back, and my example works fine
[22:36] <JediMaster> hey guys
[22:36] <JediMaster> I've got this odd issue with audio not working in X again
[22:36] <dtchen> Kuaera: the recent dbus and hal changes make it virtually essential that you restart both dbus and hal if you make fdi chagnes
[22:36] <JediMaster> looks like it's a problem with pulseaudio
[22:36] <dtchen> JediMaster: pulseaudio -k ; start-pulseaudio-x11
[22:36] <JediMaster> the volume control shows no devices for output
[22:36] <maco> JediMaster: known bug, listen to dtchen
[22:36] <dtchen> known issue, move along
[22:36] <JediMaster> maco: was it you who helped me out a few days ago with it?
[22:37] <JediMaster> it just started working again, but rebooted and dead again
[22:37] <Kuaera> dtchen: Ah, thank you.
[22:37] <dtchen> Kuaera: you can either sudo telinit 1 and then resume normal boot (to runlevel 2), or you can just reboot
[22:37] <maco> JediMaster: i dont know what fixed it for you a few days ago. after i rebooted it i hit it too, and then dtchen pointed me to the bug report with the instructions he just gave you
[22:37] <Kuaera> dtchen: Understood.
[22:37] <JediMaster> ta, that as root?
[22:37] <maco> JediMaster: no
[22:38] <JediMaster> yeah that sorted it, thanks
[22:38] <JediMaster> ta dtchen
[22:38] <dtchen> Kuaera: be aware that there is a known issue with certain synaptics and alps hardware that races in initialisation, causing it to disappear as a touchpad on hal restart. in that case, you *must* reboot.
[22:38] <dtchen> i'm debugging that linux in my spare cycles
[22:38] <dtchen> linux issue*
[22:40] <Kuaera> dtchen: *nods* Gotcha. I'll spend my time deciphering what all the various touchpad options mean.
[22:52] <ryanpg> hi all... anyone having pointer troubles in jaunty? My synaptics pad buttons are behaving quite strangely
[22:53] <andersk> Yeah, bug 320639
[22:53] <ryanpg> tapping the pad works as expected, but it seems like the Left button is behaving like a middle button
[22:53] <dtchen> known
[22:54] <dtchen> you can revert to 0.15.2-0ubuntu8
[22:56] <Kuaera> Couldn't one fix this by remapping the buttons via the method I just mentioned?
[22:56] <ryanpg> dtchen and andersk thanks
[22:57] <dtchen> Kuaera: that's not a fix; that's a workaround
[22:57] <Kuaera> dtchen: Sorry for the misnomer.
[22:58] <ryanpg> I tried remapping but no good... the left button also seems to be registering multiple clicks
[23:02] <ryanpg> I only seem to be able to find xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.15.2-0ubuntu7_i386.deb
[23:02] <ryanpg> anyone have a url for 0ubuntu8_i386?
[23:05] <ryanpg> ok, found it - gonna restart X thanks all!
[23:21] <billisnice> how do you install http://do.davebsd.com/release.shtml to jaunty?