=== ddog241 is now known as kd8hho [01:36] does anyone else find it funny that brasero "burn image" prompts for both .iso and svg/png? [01:49] pwnguin: seriously? [01:50] it tells me "please select another image. it doesnt appear to be a valid image or a valid cue file." [01:50] if i try a png [01:51] maybe it's just intrepid [01:51] im burning a jaunty cd right now [01:52] to undo whatever horror i inflicted while attempting to set up ext4 === KB1OHY_Rich is now known as Sergeant_Pony === teethdood_ is now known as teethdood [02:34] anyone else having trouble logging in after suspend? [03:06] so are there any migrate to ext4 tutorials that also mention fixing the UUID? [03:11] anyone know what script will update grub to use the right UUID's? [03:17] update-grub? [03:21] pwnguin, do you have a lot of entries? [03:26] milos_: no [03:26] i have a lot of wrong entries [03:28] well, here's hopin i fixed it [03:29] nope.. [03:30] I have no sound until the last updated [03:41] pwnguin, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-899040.html [03:43] pwnguin, here it says you should delete menu.list(probably backup it first) and than recreate it with update-grub [03:44] hmm [04:29] Heh, new nvidia-glx-96 96.43.10 claims to have support for X server 1.5.999.something... but if I try it on my Jaunty, it segfaults (after hanging for a while before I kill gnome-panel) [04:35] read(3, 0x9e80eb0, 4096) [04:35] it reads the same file descriptor and address over and over again, with EAGAIN each time... and then Xorg dies. [04:36] grr [04:37] any idea why grub would just dump me into command line with no error? [04:37] Can't find menu.lst, perhaps. [04:37] an interesting theory [04:39] DanaG: where does grub look for menu.lst at? [04:39] I'm not sure. [04:39] If you can manually command-line boot Ubuntu, you can try reinstalling Grub. [04:39] i did [04:39] im in the gui right now ;) === [pErry] is now known as [perry] [04:40] !grub [04:40] i moved the old menu.list out of the way and ran update-grub, still broke [04:40] GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [04:40] YOu could try that. [04:41] Might want to copy back menu.lst, though. [04:41] it's basically the same [04:41] update-grub rebuilds menu.lst [04:42] Not the same thing as reinstalling grub. [04:42] It's worth a try. [04:42] im sorry; i meant i manually booted from the grub cli, not reinstalled [04:43] i'll look into that [04:43] ah. [04:45] Ugh, stupid nvidia 96 just crashes Xorg. [04:45] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126954 [04:46] I actually AM glad my new laptop has ATI. [04:46] i just use nouveau [04:46] unable to open files list file for package `libxext-dev': Input/output error [04:46] what does that mean [04:46] im trying to apt-get things [04:48] hmm, look in dmesg for any corresponding I/O error. =P [04:53] [ 2229.398644] EXT4-fs error (device sda1): __ext4_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=831093, block=1671184 [05:05] GlxSetVisualConfigs not found. [05:05] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): NVIDIA's glx present, or glx not loaded. [05:06] RAOF: isn't here. Bummer. [05:07] Well, I actually prefer not to ping people if the room is mostly silent and my issue is non-critical. [05:08] yeah, nouveau not workin'. [05:11] well [05:11] you're not gonna get 3d [05:11] least not yet [05:13] I know that... so then why is it even trying? [05:13] I must be missing something in xorg.conf. [05:14] http://pastebin.com/f1166e2c6 [05:15] oh, and I tried this nvidia legacy, but it crashed Xorg. [05:15] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126954 [05:16] that is a very well commented conf file ;) [05:16] " Added support for X.org server 1.5.99.901." [05:16] im guessing "allowglxwithcomposite" is your culprit [05:16] I also used to have one for all the Synaptics options, but then i had to move them to a HAL FDI file. [05:17] Xorg -version: [05:17] X.Org X Server 1.5.99.901 (1.6.0 RC 1) [05:17] Looks like the same version to me. =P [05:17] http://pastebin.com/f21355406 [05:17] log. [05:17] whats this devicve vbox video? [05:18] Not used; it was so I could use one xorg.conf in multiple places. [05:18] If one device doesn't load, it'll fall through to the next. [05:21] interesting. [05:21] # [05:21] # [05:21] dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so: undefined symbol: miInitVisualsProc [05:24] should I pastebin the output of 'strings' of that file? [05:24] Looks like it is SGI. [05:27] try dpkg -l | grep nvidia [05:30] -modaliases, -settings, -kernel-common [05:30] and -common [05:30] Is version supposed to be this, or am I missing a PPA? [05:30] xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (1:0.0.10~git+20090105+7dc567d-1) experimental; urgency=low [05:32] you shouldn't need a ppa in jaunty [05:32] but i think it's mainly the glx failing to load [05:33] Ah. Well, is there a way to get it not to even try? [05:33] Or to use mesa, rather than trying to do anything direct? [05:33] well yea [05:34] just remove "glx" from the modules group [05:34] err [05:34] hrm. glx is enabled by default =( [05:36] If it can't do 3D anyway... then it really shouldn't be trying. =P [05:36] well, it loaded for me [05:36] odd. [05:36] and glxgears runs, albeit slowly [05:36] any custom stuff in xorg.conf? [05:36] oh yes [05:36] lemme pastebin it for your perusal [05:36] Thanks. [05:36] yay: [05:36] !info pastebinit [05:36] yay. [05:36] pastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-1 (jaunty), package size 20 kB, installed size 328 kB [05:37] y'know, that'd be something good to install by default. [05:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/111561/ [05:38] yep. knew about pastebinit [05:40] yup, was saying "yay" rather than "you should use it" [05:41] Odd. Mine is the same. [05:41] maybe i should reboot [05:41] or rather, nothing specially different. [05:41] xserver-xorg-core [05:41] Version: 2:1.5.99.901-1ubuntu1 [05:42] RAOF: oh hey, you're back. [05:43] http://pastebin.com/f1166e2c6 [05:43] http://pastebin.com/f21355406 [05:44] Trying to use nouveau. [05:44] DanaG: You've still got nvidia's libglx. [05:44] # [05:44] # [05:44] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): NVIDIA's glx present, or glx not loaded. [05:44] glx didn't load [05:44] complained about a symbol [05:45] I did a --uninstall, and it left something behind? [05:45] Quite possibly. [05:45] maybe thats an nvidia only symbol? [05:45] Probably. [05:45] sudo aptitude reinstall ~nxorg should do the trick :) [05:45] can someone open up gedit and change the current window and tell me if the gedit follows it.... [05:45] I was trying 96.43.10... [05:45] oh, if you installed an nvidia thing by hand [05:45] thats your deal to sort out ;) [05:46] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126954 : " Added support for X.org server 1.5.99.901." [05:46] Xorg -version: X.Org X Server 1.5.99.901 (1.6.0 RC 1) [05:47] Well, at least now I know where to look. [05:47] firefox vertical scrolling is terrible [05:47] nvidia-only symbol, that's a good hint. [05:47] well, [05:47] the first google hits are for fglrx [05:48] can someone plz test the gedit.... [05:48] FFForever: "follows it" [05:48] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-01-29 20:48 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2 [05:48] you mean like, typing on both? [05:48] well yeah its set to always on visible on current workstation =\ [05:49] i need 2 know if its my system or bug... [05:49] that's not nvidia binary. [05:49] heh [05:49] mine is [05:49] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2009-01-25 03:17 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.173.14.09 [05:49] all new gedit windows for me are automatically set to always visible on current workstartion... [05:49] always on top? [05:50] yeah [05:51] FFForever: are you running something crazy like devil's pie? [05:51] devils pie? [05:51] i am just using a stock jaunty.... [05:52] I'm hungry for devils food cake now [05:52] that reminds me [05:52] i have some angel food cake [05:53] so I can't figure out what's up with that glx. [05:54] I mean, I know 3D isn't supposed to work... but shouldn't X at least start? [05:54] =P [05:55] any news on the no audio problem btw? [05:57] * DanaG has no audio problem... that is, no problem. =P [05:57] =P [05:58] Oh yeah, i do have PulseAudio crashing on resume from suspend sometimes, though. [05:58] Oh yeah, I really am glad I got my new laptop with ATI. [05:58] I have no audio right now as well. [05:58] radeon is FAR far better at suspend than either nv or nouveau, from when i've used either of those. [05:59] does anyone have a problem with the current kernel?, i get a kernel error on load.... [05:59] kernel panic* [06:02] * DanaG is force-purging libgl1-mesa-dri and -glx, and xserver-xorg-core. [06:04] ah, that fixificated it. [06:04] yeah, made-up non-word. [06:05] At least ATI's manual installer... builds ******* PACKAGES. [06:05] odd, no swrast_dri, either. [06:06] anyone know how to fix virtualbox host interface? it worked for a few weeks until a day or two ago. http;//burner.ath.cx:800/vbox-grr.png [06:15] DanaG: Well, neither nv nor nouveau are expected to resume from suspend, so _any_ support is better than their support! [06:15] =P [06:16] I'm glad I'm not regretting the decision to go ATI. [06:16] Also gets longer battery life than the NV would on the same laptop. [06:16] ... except with the 'radeon' driver, it only changes clocks, not voltages. [06:17] So if I absolutely need battery time, I can just boot Vista. I rarely do "absolutely need" it, though. [06:17] I just wish AMD could've pushed out power-management specs while they were still not done with the 3D specs. [06:17] RV635 card. [06:18] !grub [06:18] GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [06:18] Weirdest GRUB error ever: [06:18] GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB [06:18] o [06:18] ... and then nothing after that. [06:18] you win [06:18] I once had that happen. [06:18] i thought my frozen laptop bug was wierd [06:18] :DDDDDDDDD [06:18] that takes the cake [06:19] pwnguin: ooh, use it to make ice cream? [06:19] my laptop hard drive does not like cold [06:19] =P [06:19] i get different grub errors until it warms up [06:20] heh. [06:20] Might want to check the SMART status, and such. [06:20] on a drive that doesn't boot? or when it works normally? [06:21] When it's booted. [06:21] Or when booted from a LiveCD. [06:21] well rigth now im more concerned with this damn grub thing [06:22] i dont leave it on a concrete floor anymore [06:22] so i rarely trigger it [06:22] but not finding menu.lst is big. does grub not support ext4? [06:23] It should, in really recent versions. [06:23] At least, that's what the changelogs say. [06:23] for stability, it's probably good to stick to ext3 for /boot for a bit more [06:24] hmm [06:25] can i retune ext4 to ext3? [06:25] I actually have two ways to boot: [06:25] Boot through MBR and grub (legacy) on ext4, [06:25] or boot through EFI boot manager and elilo. [06:26] what uses efi besides macbooks? [06:27] My EliteBook has UEFI 2.0 firmware. [06:28] http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/CoreRedirect.jsp?redirectReason=DocIndexPDF&prodSeriesId=3781677&targetPage=http%3A%2F%2Fbizsupport1.austin.hp.com%2Fbc%2Fdocs%2Fsupport%2FSupportManual%2Fc01564727%2Fc01564727.pdf [06:29] I prefer mbr-based booting because Intel's Vista WiFi drivers don't work under EFI boot mode. [06:29] ... and efibootmgr doesn't have a "savedefault" [06:31] That rEFIt bootloader looks like a cool idea, but it assumes EFI is exactly equivalent to Apple... as if nobody else uses EFI or UEFI. [06:36] http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/CoreRedirect.jsp?redirectReason=DocIndexPDF&prodSeriesId=3781677&targetPage=http%3A%2F%2Fbizsupport1.austin.hp.com%2Fbc%2Fdocs%2Fsupport%2FSupportManual%2Fc01607517%2Fc01607517.pdf [06:58] what's with this akonadi/kres-migrator thing that keeps appearing every start? === nickrud is now known as nikrud === teethdood_ is now known as teethdood === Daisuke-Ido is now known as Daisuke_Ido [07:20] do i need to add rootfstype=ext4 to grub config somewhere? [07:21] I don't think so. if grub supports ext4, it should detect auto [07:21] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/316872 [07:21] Launchpad bug 316872 in grub "Patched grub will not boot from EXT4 partition" [Undecided,New] [07:21] im reading that right now [07:28] pwnguin: yes you need roofstype=ext4 to boot without errors [07:29] (i'm using ext4) [07:31] Tekno: which errors? [07:31] cuz it just worked [07:32] i ran the grub-install command, then removed and reinstalled again for good measure, and ran grub-install again [07:33] oh wow this is different [07:34] uuid instead of root [07:35] Tekno: i dont have a rootfstype set in my menu.lst [07:36] Tekno: obviously, if it works for you i wouldn't recommend changing it [07:37] well, I just get errors without it [07:37] nothing eles [07:37] else [07:37] not a big deal [07:37] maybe there's a situation with grub-install [07:37] people are reporting some ancient ass binaries [07:37] scripts, whatever [07:54] wow [07:55] 21 second boot time [07:55] donno how much of that is ext4, readahead profile, jdong's readahead tar trick or ubuntu developer effort [07:56] I got ~2-3 seconds decrease in boot time [07:56] 25->22 [07:59] it was 30 [07:59] its now 20 [08:04] You created / in new partition? [08:04] Or just added extents to old one? [08:10] i just retuned an existing partition [08:26] Do you need the alternate cd for ext4? [08:26] or does the desktop cd do? [08:26] I used Gparted usb-stick [08:27] Latest SVN which supports ext4 partitioning [09:02] hello, liferea runs really slow and produces a lot of hdd activity... [09:07] ziroday: desktop cd has it too [09:07] vega-: sweetm thanks! [09:37] hi, it seems the kubuntu jaunty live is still broken, any idea when it will work again? [10:32] Keep you fingers crossed for the next alpha then [11:04] what is best way to make backup of everything [11:07] Tekno: clonezilla ? [11:08] can it send files over LAN ? [11:09] yep [11:09] samba ssh nfs, etc [11:09] live usb, live cd [11:09] based on debian and on ubuntu [11:56] "How to run a Bug Jam" session to kick off in 4 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [12:01] guys if anyone would like to see a third menu for ubuntu, a super menu which i think would make the dekstop more familiar for windows converts then plz vote my idea here: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17733/ [12:10] naah, to much windows alike. [12:12] I told you [12:12] in kde4 there's something like lancelot [12:13] I have to admit default gnome menu is dull [12:16] I think its ok, although "system" menu could be improved. system->preferences tends to be a little crowded over time. [12:20] do it like fedora? [12:21] yeh x1250_ i agree - the gnome-control-center app is wicked and under used [12:21] syockit, how is it in fedora? [12:22] brb lunhc [12:22] In fedora, Preferences is divided into subgroups [12:23] But the one below it is still packed [12:23] what was it called again? administration? [12:41] did anyone got probs with Firefox playback with todays updates? [12:42] I have no sound, and videos stop playback after 2 secs .... === [perry] is now known as [pErry] === [pErry] is now known as [perry] === [perry] is now known as [pErry] [16:11] Hrm. How long has two-finger touchpad scrolling been working for? [16:17] I've seen in it on several eeepcs [16:17] with 8.10 and up [16:17] Kuaera: ^^^^^. why? [16:21] Has the propriatery ati drivers been uploaded yet? [16:36] BUGabundo: I hadn't noticed it until I randomly tried it today. [16:36] LOL [16:36] you have an EEEPC? [16:36] BUGabundo: This is a Thinkpad T42, too. Kind of an old machine. [16:36] it amazing the amount of eeepc users that don't know they can scroll with 2 fingers [16:37] hummm [16:37] wait [16:37] WHAT? [16:37] BUGabundo: Well, is it a hardware feature or a synaptic driver feature? [16:37] your OLD thinkpad does 2 finger scroll? [16:37] mine doesn't! [16:37] Odd. [16:38] I can't precisely remember when I got it, as I have a horrible memory for such things, but... [16:38] Three and a half years old? [16:38] really odd [16:39] Are you certain it's not a feature of an updated synaptic driver? [16:39] I know I had some "special" scrolling features under Windows when I first got this, but I don't recall ANY mention of two-finger scrolling [16:42] Unfortunately, it only does y-scrolling :( [16:44] Kuaera: and if you scroll near the bottom? [16:44] is it enabled on the Mouse options? [16:45] BUGabundo: No changes near the bottom. Checking options now. [16:45] BUGabundo: I didn't alter my xorg.conf at all for this, either. [16:46] neither do I [16:46] and mine works X and Y [16:46] with "regular" one finger scroll [16:46] Ah. [16:47] I know I've seen some touchpads with "rails" near the bottom and right for scrolling [16:49] yeah mine as just a vertical line "painted" on the touchpad [16:55] Mine does not have the bottom rail but it still will side-scroll [16:55] I'm pretty sure all that is done in software [17:07] genii: yep [17:14] BUGabundo: So, if that's the case, why am I suddenly getting two-finger y-scrolling without anything special in my xorg? [17:32] Assuming your hardware can actually detect multiple fingers, whether to *do* anything with that info is up to the synaptics driver [17:46] maxb: So the Synaptics driver does y-scrolling with two fingers by default? Hrm. Checking the defaults, it seems that SHMConfig is turned off by default as well. [17:46] It's changed a lot recently, I can believe that it might have turned on two-finger scrolling [17:55] maxb: I restarted X with some features up, but screwed up a little. Looking over Xorg.0.log reveals a lot of interesting things. [17:56] maxb: I don't see anything regarding two finger scrolling, however. [18:04] Does anyone have FGLRX working? [18:04] Sorry I'm in and out so much. Just trying to figure out what to do with this. [18:05] maxb: The latest xorg-server ignores inputdevice declarations in favor of HAL, correct? If so, how does one anticipate configuring a synaptic touchpad? SHMConfig is off as well, so no runtime configuration is possible. [18:09] hi [18:09] is sound borked in jaunty? [18:09] I got alsa-driver (1.0.18.dfsg-1ubuntu3) jaunty; urgency=low in todays updates [18:10] yes, sound is borked. [18:10] Sound is fine for me. [18:10] Kuaera: like this, apparently: http://rafb.net/p/bM5WEa91.html [18:10] It's iffy. [18:10] it was here too, until I did the morning updates [18:11] my sound was borked with update 1-2 days ago [18:11] My Audigy 2 ZS in my desktop hasn't worked in a while. [18:11] I read someone yesterday complaining of it too [18:11] However, my laptop seems to work fine...have to look up the chipset there. [18:11] Well I'm enjoying Pantera with the latest updates. [18:11] Mine works, but I have to turn it on every restart [18:11] mine worked until today, I booted and even heard pidign [18:11] With a lot of sound daemon changes, you probably can expect some issues like this [18:11] but then UM kicked in, and no more sound [18:11] no MUTE here [18:12] BUGabundo: exactly same problem I have. [18:12] maxb: Cool, thanks. You configure xorg HAL devices in HAL, silly me. [18:12] both in PA and alsamixergui [18:12] can't find anything recent in LP [18:12] multiple people have been complaining here [18:12] but no LP bug [18:12] AFAICS [18:12] will open a new one right now [18:13] against alsa [18:13] Does anyone know a fix for the Apple Keyboard and the F* keys perhaps? [18:16] maxb: Do I have to restart X for that file to take effect? [18:17] Yes, and hal too [18:17] (I think) [18:17] maxb: Well, I had restarted HAL to no effect - likely because the device had already been loaded [18:18] I'll try it in a little bit, and thanks again. [18:18] restarting hal and then logging out of and back into X works for me [18:21] guys with sound probs [18:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/319505 [18:21] Launchpad bug 319505 in alsa-driver "In Jaunty Alpha3 release 32 bit and 64 bit versions the sound is not work." [Medium,Fix released] [18:31] my sound is working, but I heard pauses when I play mp3's, with audacious and rythmbox [19:13] uhm, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Drivers [19:13] We are including the 2.6.1 -intel driver along with updated beta versions of mesa and xserver in current jaunty. This marks a significant upgrade from what we shipped in alpha-3. [19:13] but my composite still sucks in jaunty [19:14] is it normal or is it some misconfiguration on my part? [19:29] maxb: You are a god. [19:30] heh [19:30] Why thank you :-) [19:30] I figured I'd give you something you could screencapture and feel good about in exchange :P === x1250_ is now known as x1250 [19:41] isaac, really slow compared to how it was in hardy? [19:45] isaac, there's a bug that doesn't have a good fix yet related to certain intel cards. If you're on a 32bit machine, the workaround that works for me is to run the -server kernel, which has pae enabled, which disables the new gem video memory manager, which is the source of the grief [19:47] isaac, (really slow compared to intrepid, rather, but anyways) [19:51] cwillu: i have just been pointed to [19:52] Archive: open, MoM running, alpha-3: released | Ubuntu 8.10 released! | Develop [19:52] 20:24 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 320813 in mesa "[GM45] with EXA compiz animations [19:52] Launchpad bug 320813 in mesa "[GM45] with EXA compiz animations cause temporary freezes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320813 [19:52] cause temporary freezes" [High,Confirmed] [19:52] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320813 [19:52] in #ubuntu-devel [19:52] which seems to be the cause === [pErry] is now known as [perry] [20:28] update-manager -d does not work - is there another way to upgrade ? [20:28] maybe synaptic ? [20:29] !doesntwork [20:29] Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too. [20:29] Volkodav: what is the error [20:29] Volkodav: there are other ways, but we rather fix update-manager than to workaround :) [20:31] some hal error [20:31] i am not at that machine [20:36]