[01:25] <Rocket2DMn> ok guys, so i have a bug 322610
[01:25] <Rocket2DMn> brightness works correctly by default in the older kernel
[01:26] <Rocket2DMn> when running lshal in the two kernels, the older kernel shows two entries for udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_backlight'
[01:26] <Rocket2DMn> the newer kernel only shows one
[01:26] <Rocket2DMn> do we have a hal or kernel problem?
[01:29] <cprofitt> maybe the question scared them all in to quitting?
[01:29]  * cprofitt smiles
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> i hope not, im leaning toward kernel, but id like somebody to disagree with me just to make this rollercoaster even better :)
[01:30] <cprofitt> Was hal included in the updates with the Kernel?
[01:30] <cprofitt> if not... not sure how it could be the hal
[01:32] <Rocket2DMn> no, you can attach the term.log i had you pastebin if you want
[01:34] <cprofitt> k
[01:35] <cprofitt> rocket where is that log again?
[01:35] <Rocket2DMn> /var/log/apt
[01:38] <cprofitt> its saying the log is empty...
[01:39] <cprofitt> nvm -- it was 'rights' issue
[01:40] <cprofitt> Rocket2DMn, is that it... we can triage and pass to the kernel dev team to take a look
[01:42] <Rocket2DMn> cprofitt, im on the phone, ill finish in a few
[01:42] <cprofitt> k
[01:54] <cprofitt> gotta go Rocket2DMn be back at 10pm EST if you need further information to get this move up the chain
[01:54] <Rocket2DMn> ok cprofitt , im doing the triage right now
[01:54] <cprofitt> k
[01:55] <Rocket2DMn> cprofitt, dmesg?
[01:55] <cprofitt> dmesg?
[01:55] <cprofitt> what?
[01:55] <Rocket2DMn> agh i didnt ask for dmesg!
[01:55] <Rocket2DMn> wth
[01:55] <Rocket2DMn> ill ask for it, go do what oy uneed to do
[01:56] <cprofitt> you want it from this kernel or the new one?
[01:56] <Rocket2DMn> lets do both since youre in the old one now
[01:56] <Rocket2DMn> let me ask in the report first
[01:59] <cprofitt> uploading now
[02:00] <cprofitt> updated
[02:00] <cprofitt> be back in a few Rocket2DMn
[02:00] <Rocket2DMn> k
[02:01] <Rocket2DMn> i added my comment in case oy havent refreshed the page
[02:04] <Rocket2DMn> cprofitt, you're using a Lenovo Thinkpad T500 right?
[02:14] <andresmujica> good night squad!
[02:26] <hggdh> hey andresmujica
[03:16] <cprofitt> man... some bug reports make you feel like using Windows again, heh?
[03:17] <cprofitt> I feel like my left shoulder has been separated from my body and I have been asked to find the missing tendon
[03:17]  * cprofitt smiles
[03:17] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/322610
[03:32] <hggdh> bug 319400
[03:32] <cprofitt> bug 322610
[03:32] <cprofitt> cool...
[03:33] <cprofitt> did not know I did not have to put the entire URL in
[03:36] <cprofitt> hggdh, how are ya tonight
[03:37] <hggdh> cheers cprofitt, life is good
[03:37] <cprofitt> cool...
[03:37] <cprofitt> man that bug I posted above made me tired tonight
[03:37] <cprofitt> I got rocket a ton of files for it...
[03:39] <cprofitt> I guess learning these bug things will just take some time
[03:43] <hggdh> yes, it does
[03:43] <hggdh> but the payback is good: you get to be better at this
[03:43] <cprofitt> hggdh, half the stuff he was asking for I had no clue it existed...
[03:44] <cprofitt> yeah... it took me several years to get good at Windows... this should be easier since I can actually see the code and the errors
[03:44] <cprofitt> and I do not get some meaningless error code that resulted from a lazy programmer not putting in the proper exception handling
[03:48] <hggdh> well.. this also happens, but at least you can look at the source
[03:52] <cprofitt> yep
[04:00] <Laibsch> Hi
[04:00] <Laibsch> I'm working on bug 322565.  Can somebody please help me understand why I cannot convert it into a question?
[04:19] <charlie-tca> Laibsch: you can not convert an invalid status. Change it back to new first.
[04:19] <Laibsch> The bug is not valid for linux
[04:20] <Laibsch> It is a valid question for deluge
[04:20] <Laibsch> But deluge does not use Launchpad Answers
[04:20] <charlie-tca> It will change it to invalid when you convert it. If you want to convert it, it can not be invalid first.
[04:20] <Laibsch> Which is why I cannot convert it
[04:20] <Laibsch> charlie-tca: The ticket is not a valid question for linux
[04:20] <charlie-tca> Then you can not convert it.
[04:20] <Laibsch> It would be a valid question for deluge
[04:20] <Laibsch> Yes
[04:21] <Laibsch> I just found that out.  I had read the error message too hastily before
[04:21] <Laibsch> Thanks
[06:15] <dholbach> good morning
[06:46] <robbmunson> Hey guys, did we ever make a greasemonkey script for fedora to help with bug triaging? I seem to have forgot with my old age if we did this or not :)
[06:46] <robbmunson> ah crap
[06:46] <robbmunson> i meant ubuntu
[06:46] <robbmunson> sorry...im dual booting
[06:46] <robbmunson> *facepalm*
[06:47]  * robbmunson is a member of both communities "bug squad" type teams as well.
[08:25] <TeTeT> on bugnumbers, how do I get private bugs? When LP moved to openid, the cookie authentication method seems to no longer work
[08:45] <melodie_> hello
[08:45] <melodie_> hi thekorn
[08:46] <thekorn_> hi melodie_
[08:47] <melodie_> I would like to ask for advice : I think it would be a good think to report bad screen resolution detection as a bug : my screen is 1024x768, distro a brand new Ubuntu/Xubuntu, and driver nvidia 173 for GeForce FX 5200
[08:47] <melodie_> actually, it offers : " 640x480        50.0*
[08:47] <melodie_>    320x240        51.0
[08:48] <melodie_> and I'll have to struggle and tweak the xorg.conf to get the right result : isn't that a bug ?
[08:50] <melodie_> thekorn, are you used to be on this one channel regularly ? is there anything you can advise to me ?
[08:50]  * melodie_ starts to be fed up tweaking xorg.conf's on distro that should be easy to deal with
[08:58] <thekorn> melodie_: sorry, I cannot help you right now,
[08:58] <melodie_> ok thekorn thanks for answering
[08:58] <thekorn> If you thing it's a bug, file a bugreport on bugs.launchpad.net/+filebug
[09:00] <melodie_> thekorn, yes, when the screen resolution will be useable. :)
[09:08] <TeTeT> thekorn: any idea how to authenticate bugnumbers so it can see private bugs?
[09:11] <thekorn> TeTeT: this should work with --cookie <Mozilla cookie>,
[09:11] <thekorn> let me double check
[09:11] <TeTeT> thekorn: cookie is the cookies.sqlite?
[09:11] <TeTeT> thekorn: it used to work in the past before LP used openid
[09:11] <thekorn> TeTeT: right, cookie.sql for FF3 or cookies.txt for  >FF3
[09:13] <thekorn> hmm, I don't see how this i s related to OpenID, I think cookies are created anyway
[09:14] <nhasian> hello people
[09:14] <thekorn> it works for me with bughelper 0.2.16 of intrepid
[09:17] <TeTeT> thekorn: works now, probably gave wrong path
[09:18] <thekorn> TeTeT: ok, super
[09:40] <seb128_> re
[09:58] <nhasian> i just installed the 5-a-day.  when i type  bzr diff it says bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/nhasian/". what am i doing wrong?
[10:03] <thekorn> nhasian:   cd ~/.5-a-day-<USERNAME>  and then   bzr diff
[10:04] <nhasian> ah that worked.  thanks
[10:04] <nhasian> started learning how to help with bugs today
[10:18] <CrownAmbassador>  Hi guys and gals. I've not been able to use my ADSL line since upgrading to Ubuntu 8.10 at the end of October. Searched around a lot, started threads in forums, reported bugs, but nothing. Got help here a week or so ago aswell, but couldn't figure it out. Has anyone else here heard of 8.10 having problems connecting to the internet via LAN/ADSL modem? The network card and modem works fine with Windows. I even tried the li
[10:18] <CrownAmbassador> ve CD in my works computer and get the same result. Just don't understand how it can do this in 2 computers and most other people don't have this problem. Extremely frustrating.
[10:21] <nhasian> CrownAmbassador, your nic is working fine and getting an ip address?
[10:22] <andresmujica> goo morn squad!
[10:22] <nhasian> hello andresmujica
[10:22] <CrownAmbassador> nhasian: No I don't get a IP address at all.
[10:23] <CrownAmbassador> andresmujica: Hi! remember me? I'm still having the internet problem.
[10:23] <nhasian> you said you posted threads in the forums and reported bugs? can you give me the links so I can see what you've done so far
[10:23] <CrownAmbassador> nbasian: okay, just a sec
[10:24] <andresmujica> hi Crown, please remind me your bug#!
[10:24] <nhasian> CrownAmbassador, also i dont think this is the place to ask for troubleshooting help.  #ubuntu would be better
[10:25] <andresmujica> you're the one with the bunch of wlan cards " broken "
[10:25] <andresmujica> right?
[10:25] <andresmujica> nhasian is absolutely right!
[10:25]  * nhasian is new here
[10:25] <nhasian> <--- my first day
[10:27] <CrownAmbassador> nhasian: adresmujica: Launchpad link is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319553 . No not my wlan. Normal lan. I tried getting help in #ubuntu but got nothing there. I'm at a point where I don't know where to go anymore.
[10:27] <andresmujica> nice!
[10:27] <BUGabundo> humm it would look like he has no driver
[10:28] <andresmujica> ohh u rememember now!!
[10:28]  * BUGabundo just can't get is bug subs count down... 
[10:29] <CrownAmbassador> also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997070 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1045255
[10:30] <andresmujica> now i remember, i did look for tg3 + networkmamanger bugs and only found something similar at debian.. the link provided..
[10:31] <CrownAmbassador> be back in  sec
[10:31] <nhasian> CrownAmbassador, go respond to the launchpad post real quick
[10:33] <andresmujica> that last post at the forums goes to the point
[10:33] <nhasian> i think its the broadcom driver...
[10:33] <nhasian> seeing how the dsl works fine with ubuntu 8.04 on his laptop
[10:34] <andresmujica> we'll need the output from sudo dhclient3 eth0 at lp
[10:34] <nhasian> is it just me or does everyone cringe when they see broadcom network adaptors?
[10:35] <andresmujica> http://propellerheadadmin.com/tutorials/ubuntu/6-wired-networking-problem-on-a-fresh-ubuntu-810-install
[10:35] <andresmujica> tg3 it's broadcom ??
[10:35] <andresmujica> ahh yes
[10:35] <andresmujica> thks google
[10:36] <CrownAmbassador> Sorry i'm back. Just firing up my laptop quick.
[10:36] <andresmujica> is the same bug as 274069
[10:36] <andresmujica> but with a different driver
[10:36] <CrownAmbassador> So broadcom is a problem?
[10:36] <nhasian> yeah i noticed in his dmesg it said eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95755m) rev a002 PHY(5755)] (PCI Express) 10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet 00:1c:23:18:d4:0d
[10:37] <andresmujica> Crown, please provide the output asked by nhasian at LP, and also add the output from sudo dhclient3 eth0
[10:37] <andresmujica> as separate attacments please
[10:37] <CrownAmbassador> Will do in a sec. Running them now.
[10:37] <andresmujica> bug 274069
[10:38] <andresmujica> :: WORKAROUND ::
[10:38] <andresmujica> 1) remove the option interface-mtu in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[10:38] <andresmujica> 2) lower the mtu : sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1000
[10:39] <andresmujica> it seems that it doesn't depend on the network driver
[10:39] <andresmujica> so Crown, please test the workaround provided if it works, we can mark it as dupe from the 274069
[10:43] <CrownAmbassador> *trying workaround*
[10:43] <nhasian> poor guy, I see he's posted in ubuntu forums, launchpad, linuxquestions, asked in irc. damn he's had a tough time getting his nic working.  I'll bet a new $15 nic woulda fixed the problem.
[10:44] <andresmujica> ohh yea.
[10:44] <CrownAmbassador> What does NIC stand for again?
[10:45] <andresmujica> Network Interface Card
[10:45] <nhasian> *-network DISABLED
[10:45] <BUGabundo> nhasian: I went with all that for 3 months
[10:45] <andresmujica> yeap..
[10:45] <BUGabundo> with this laptop for wifi
[10:45] <BUGabundo> it ended up being both a linux kernel support bug, and faulty hardware
[10:45] <nhasian> BUGabundo, wifi has been tricky in the past, but with 8.04 and 8.10 its gotten a lot better.
[10:45] <BUGabundo> try debuging both those probs at the same time
[10:46]  * nhasian faints
[10:46] <BUGabundo> but now everthing works
[10:46] <nhasian> didnt both atheros and broadcom open source their drivers?  that will really help
[10:46] <BUGabundo> except for webcam
[10:46] <BUGabundo> old driver is okayish
[10:46] <andresmujica> the thing is that is too bad that a NIC previously working stops responding after upgrade.  Obvioulsy no one would have a bug kernel and a faulty hardware at the same time..
[10:46] <andresmujica> err
[10:46] <BUGabundo> newest one with v4l suport aint that good
[10:47] <BUGabundo> but nol is working on it
[10:47] <andresmujica> well maybe not ;)
[10:47] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: I did!
[10:47] <BUGabundo> the intel wifi card wasn't working properlly
[10:47] <andresmujica> the intel one? man!!!
[10:48] <andresmujica> that's supposed to work flwalessly!!!1
[10:48] <BUGabundo> so I could see it on some logs but it wouldn't turn on due to hw kill switch
[10:48] <andresmujica> ouch
[10:48] <nhasian> i have the intel 4965 AGN wifi and it works with the backport installed
[10:48] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/105420
[10:48] <andresmujica> ahh but the kill switch was the culprit? or the card?
[10:48] <BUGabundo> see this
[10:48] <BUGabundo> now it does
[10:48] <BUGabundo> a year ago it didn't
[10:49] <BUGabundo> on many laptops with only soft switch you needed Windows to turn it one
[10:49] <nhasian> back to CrownAmbassador's issue, both his Intel 3945 and Broadcom NIC are *-network DISABLED
[10:49] <BUGabundo> it was both.... tech support replaced the card and kernel began seeing it
[10:50] <BUGabundo> then the the rf_kill bug was fixed and it worked OKay since then
[10:50] <BUGabundo> xiii both cards off?
[10:50] <BUGabundo> that's tuff!
[10:50] <BUGabundo> CrownAmbassador: did you test with a jaunty live cd?
[10:51] <CrownAmbassador> Workaround doesn't work.
[10:51] <CrownAmbassador> No I have not tried the jaunty live as I don't have the bandwith to do that.
[10:51] <BUGabundo> strange that 3945 doesn't work
[10:51] <BUGabundo> can't you ask a friend ?
[10:51] <nhasian> CrownAmbassador, here man $10 will solve your problem http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127102
[10:52] <BUGabundo> or some cyber café?
[10:52] <CrownAmbassador> Do you guys stay in the states?
[10:52] <nhasian> yeah i'm in AZ.  its almost 4am here
[10:52] <andresmujica> i'm from Colombia :)
[10:52] <CrownAmbassador> Thanks nhasian but that wont work. Ive got a laptop.
[10:53] <andresmujica> 6am here!
[10:53] <andresmujica> Bugabundo, but now it works, right?
[10:53] <CrownAmbassador> I'm in South Africa. Bandwith not as affordable as there.
[10:53] <andresmujica> Crown: did you uploaded the dhclient3 log?
[10:53] <CrownAmbassador> Internet cafe will kill me if I download that much.
[10:54] <nhasian> ah okay.  the pc-card or usb network adaptors for laptops will be a bit more expensive
[10:54] <nhasian> I got to get to sleep
[10:54] <CrownAmbassador> andre, whats that command again? missed that
[10:54] <andresmujica> sudo dhclient3 eth0
[10:54] <nhasian> CrownAmbassador, but it seems we made some progress :)
[10:54] <andresmujica> ohh yeap!!!
[10:55] <nhasian> gnight all
[10:56] <andresmujica> gnight nhasian!!!
[10:56] <CrownAmbassador> *dies*
[10:56] <CrownAmbassador> omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:56] <andresmujica> worked???
[10:57] <CrownAmbassador> It is in fact working! The network applet just didn't report that it was working!!!! It says its disconnected! The workaround worked!
[10:57] <CrownAmbassador> OMG!!!!
[10:57] <andresmujica> ok perfect my friend
[10:57] <andresmujica> so that confirm to us that this is in fact a
[10:57] <CrownAmbassador> Thank you so so much!
[10:57] <andresmujica> dupe from bug #274069
[10:57] <CrownAmbassador> Now you can both sleep well!
[10:57] <andresmujica> hehhe
[10:58] <andresmujica> i jsut sleep for over 6 hours man!!
[10:58] <CrownAmbassador> Oh! hehe
[10:58] <CrownAmbassador> Well good morning then!
[10:58] <CrownAmbassador> hehe
[10:58] <andresmujica> hehe
[10:58] <CrownAmbassador> its 1pm here
[10:58] <andresmujica> reboot your system to be sure that the problem is solved
[10:58] <BUGabundo> 11h am here
[10:58] <andresmujica> meanwhile i'll mark the bug as dupe.
[10:58] <BUGabundo> alone at the store... another employe didn't come in today
[10:59] <BUGabundo> CrownAmbassador: if NM isn't reporting the correct state just nag asac about it!
[10:59] <andresmujica> the problem is not with NM
[10:59] <andresmujica> is with MTU and dhclient options
[11:00] <BUGabundo> I never got all that stuff about MTU
[11:00] <BUGabundo> I'll have to read about it some day
[11:02] <andresmujica> MTU, es something like the max size of data that a frame can carry over a network... something like the load capacity in a trunk
[11:02] <andresmujica> sometimes the HW cannot handle what it's asked for.
[11:02] <andresmujica> in this case dhclient was asking for a load capacity not supported by the NIC, so it failed....
[11:04] <andresmujica> Crown: done, your bugs now are part from bug #274069
[11:08] <CrownAmbassador> Thanks guys!
[11:08] <andresmujica> np
[11:08] <BUGabundo> glad you could get help, and manage to keep at it
[11:09] <CrownAmbassador> Where were you guys the last 3 months? hehe
[11:10] <BUGabundo> humm sleeping ? :ª)
[11:10] <CrownAmbassador> Oh and who is asac?
[11:10] <asac> ?
[11:11] <CrownAmbassador> Oh its a person! LOL!
[11:11] <CrownAmbassador> BUGabundo said to nag you about NM
[11:11] <asac> means: "as soon as (something is) critical" call for him :;)
[11:12] <CrownAmbassador> Won't it help if I change managed=false to managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf?
[11:12] <asac> cannto tell what helps you since I dont know your problem ;)
[11:13] <BUGabundo> rofl
[11:13] <CrownAmbassador> oops
[11:13] <CrownAmbassador> NM is not reporting that my eth0 is connected.
[11:13] <CrownAmbassador> Says Wired Network - device is unmanaged.
[11:14] <asac> CrownAmbassador: what is your real issue? ;)
[11:14] <asac> do you really rely on the eth0 state?
[11:14] <asac> e.g. why is unmanaged a problem ;)?
[11:14] <BUGabundo> if I die, its asac fault!! I'm still laughing about that joke
[11:14] <CrownAmbassador> Nah I guess it not a problem anymore.
[11:14]  * asac  feels better ;)
[11:14] <BUGabundo> a bit of background
[11:15] <BUGabundo> he has network, but it seems that NM says he is offline
[11:15] <asac> yeah. just the applet? or any other problems?
[11:15] <asac> CrownAmbassador: run nm-tool ... general state should be "conected"
[11:16] <CrownAmbassador> Sorry man. Now that my internet is working I'm so happy that I'm brain dead!
[11:16] <andresmujica> bug 27069
[11:16] <andresmujica> mtu issue.
[11:16] <andresmujica> original bug was against NM
[11:17] <CrownAmbassador> Yip. connected.
[11:17] <andresmujica> upps bug 274069
[11:18] <asac> CrownAmbassador: yes. so the bug is that the network-icon is confusing
[11:18] <asac> but that should be it
[11:19] <CrownAmbassador> Np. Just though I'd ask. Not a problem. As long as I'm connected that is fine.
[11:19] <andresmujica> asac original bug was bug 319553
[11:20] <andresmujica> but NM wouldn't be a valid task there?  or it should be??
[11:20] <asac> andresmujica: if its wrong MTU then we should check whether the jaunty network-mangaer properly sets MTU now
[11:20] <asac> andresmujica: e.g. based on what oyu configured in applet
[11:20] <asac> the intrepid NM has a known bug about that
[11:21] <asac> but i would think its fixed in jaunty.
[11:22] <BUGabundo> asac: how would one detect that a connection problem is MTU related?
[11:22] <BUGabundo> that way I could be aware of it, if it ever hits me
[11:22] <andresmujica> hmm. we'll need a differente reporter then, because Crown doesn't have enough bandwidth to test with Jaunty...
[11:22] <asac> andresmujica: we could look in the MTU nm bug ;)
[11:23] <andresmujica> which one is it?
[11:23] <asac> bug 258743
[11:23] <asac> hnmm
[11:24] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/258743/comments/24
[11:24] <andresmujica> i would love a launchpad feature that let me mark as RELATED  a bug from another bug, and if it creates a graph it would be nice!!
[11:24] <asac> so its a matter of not remembering user preference.
[11:24] <asac> that should be fixed in jaunty for sure
[11:24] <asac> andresmujica: ack++
[11:24] <asac> thats really important to have ... depends/blocks like in bugzilla
[11:25] <andresmujica> yeap!
[11:27] <CrownAmbassador> How big is the jaunty download? 700MB
[11:27] <CrownAmbassador> ?
[11:28] <andresmujica> ok, but i've got a doubt , the problem with crown and his bug was that dhclient.conf had interface-mtu enabled, reading about it, it seems that letting that option it's the Right Thing To Do... the workaround is to remove it.............o the real solution for those affected by MTU problems would be at NetwrokManager?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> CrownAmbassador: yes
[11:28] <andresmujica> crown: probably
[11:28] <Hobbsee> CrownAmbassador: it'll fit on a standard cd.
[11:29] <asac> i have to think about it. if dhclient.conf is messed up i am not sure its NM faults
[11:30] <CrownAmbassador> My personal bandwith alocation per month is about 1 gig and at work 2 gig. Was hoping I;ll have some left at work to download it but I dont.
[11:30] <asac> CrownAmbassador: if your issue is really the dhclient.conf ... i dont think you need to test that.
[11:32] <Hobbsee> CrownAmbassador: your ISP doesn't offer unmetered stuff, does it?
[11:32] <andresmujica> i do agree.  don't worry about it. Just wait for Jaunty Release and be sure to ask at shipit for some cd's!
[11:32] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[11:32] <Hobbsee> CrownAmbassador: also, you can rsync it, if you have an earlier iso.  Makes more sense for the alternate images, though, not desktops
[11:32] <CrownAmbassador> I buy extra bandwith when a new release launches so its fine.
[11:32] <BUGabundo> I think some dailys are oversize
[11:32] <BUGabundo> around 800MiBs
[11:32] <CrownAmbassador> So you guys there in the States should be greatful for your bandwith! hehe
[11:32] <BUGabundo>  jaunty-desktop-i386.iso       27-Jan-2009 12:50  693M
[11:32] <Hobbsee> the dailies may or may not actually install, anyway
[11:32] <BUGabundo> I'm in portugal
[11:32] <BUGabundo> on current ISP i have uncap
[11:32] <BUGabundo> yay
[11:32] <asac> US bandwidth is not really known for its supremacy ;)
[11:32] <CrownAmbassador> I had a 8MBs Comcast line when I was there. Download debian that was like 14 CDs!
[11:33] <BUGabundo> 4mb/s down 800k up
[11:34] <CrownAmbassador> I heard that Comcast was capping at like 200GB or something now. And also heard some guys complaining! I was like what the hell you complaining about? I've got 1GB! hehehe
[11:35]  * andresmujica is measuring against speedtest...
[11:36] <andresmujica> at home 1367 down and 61 up.
[11:36] <andresmujica> bahh..
[11:37] <andresmujica> that's why my sip extension works so bad ...
[11:40] <BUGabundo> I won't messure mine!
[11:40] <BUGabundo> I'm downloaing some torrents
[11:40] <BUGabundo> it would falsify the results
[11:44] <BUGabundo> I would ask you guys to test your bw with this site, promoted by Google
[11:44] <BUGabundo> http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest-mlab.php
[11:44] <BUGabundo> but their java applet is crashing my Firefox...
[11:53] <dholbach> "How to run a Bug Jam" session to kick off in 8 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[11:55] <Hobbsee> "open jar of jam.  wait for ants"
[11:55] <andresmujica> lol
[11:56] <CrownAmbassador> lol
[12:06] <CrownAmbassador> Andresmujica: Hobbsee and who ever else helped ( BUGabundo asac ) I changed managed=false to managed=true and now nm reports the connection in the applet!
[12:06] <andresmujica> nice!
[12:06] <Hobbsee> \o/
[12:06] <asac> CrownAmbassador: yeah. thats the idea
[12:06] <BUGabundo> Victory
[12:07] <CrownAmbassador> *rocks*
[12:07] <CrownAmbassador> lol
[12:34] <BUGabundo> doko_: ping
[12:37] <BUGabundo> doko_: where am I supposed to put ICEDTEAPLUGIN_DEBUG ?
[12:43] <jgoguen> https://launchpad.net/bugs/144437, the last comment says it's being closed, but the bug is New/Unconfirmed...is it OK to just change to Invalid?
[12:44] <jgoguen> the mozilla-thunderbird component I mean
[12:44] <jgoguen> thunderbird is already Invalid
[12:44] <doko_> BUGabundo: ICEDTEAPLUGIN_DEBUG=1 firefox
[12:45] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[12:48] <BUGabundo> doko_: bug 323110 updated
[12:49] <doko_> BUGabundo: java -version?
[12:50] <BUGabundo> $ java --version
[12:50] <BUGabundo> Unrecognized option: --version
[12:50] <BUGabundo> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[12:50] <BUGabundo> $ java -version
[12:50] <BUGabundo> java version "1.6.0_0"
[12:50] <BUGabundo> IcedTea6 1.4 (6b14-0ubuntu10) Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_0-b14)
[12:50] <BUGabundo> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0-b08, mixed mode)
[15:10] <andresmujica> pedro:ping
[15:11] <andresmujica> hmmm
[15:12] <pedro_> andresmujica: hey
[15:13] <andresmujica> hiya!
[15:14] <andresmujica> i've your lasts comments this morning, i do agree that using #ubuntu-classroom-es would be the right choice!
[15:14] <andresmujica> i've read ...
[15:14] <pedro_> andresmujica: awesome!, let's spread the word then ;-)
[15:14] <andresmujica> ok, !! nice!!!
[16:18] <andresmujica> pedro: sorry to bother again
[16:19] <andresmujica> at the loco some people are helping in translate the GBJ flyer and odt to spanish
[16:19] <andresmujica> and i wonder which is the right traducción for triaging ?
[16:19] <andresmujica> have you seen one around there?
[16:27] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:28] <BUGabundo> in portuguese is "triagem" andresmujica
[16:28] <BUGabundo> as in hospital ....
[16:30] <savvas> andresmujica: I have translated bug triaging in greek as "bug analysis"
[16:30] <BUGabundo> humm doesn't sound any good savvas
[16:31] <savvas> BUGabundo: couldn't find anything that would fully match its meaning, but I explain what they're supposed to do in further text
[16:32] <savvas> but in a general meaning, bug triagers are indeed analysing bugs and forwarding them where appropriate
[16:32] <BUGabundo> savvas: what's it called in hospitals? where they first analize pacients and then make them wait accordingly?
[16:32] <BUGabundo> do you have a word for that in greek?
[16:33] <savvas> the testing period you mean?
[16:33] <andresmujica> it seems that in spanish the english word TRIAGE is being used but as TRIAJE with the same meaning, however i've found is not accepted by the RAE  (the entity that accepts new words in spanish)
[16:35] <savvas> BUGabundo: ah wait, you mean sorting the importance of the disease?
[16:35] <BUGabundo> not disease but Pacient
[16:35] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:35] <BUGabundo> but yeah
[16:36] <BUGabundo> that is the same ACTION that bug triagers do
[16:36] <savvas> it's still analyzing :P
[16:37] <savvas> you're sorting wishlist from normal bugs
[16:38] <savvas> hm..
[16:38] <savvas> BUGabundo: how about bug assessment?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> well again, its in english
[16:39] <BUGabundo> the OP was looking for spannish
[16:39] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[16:39] <BUGabundo> so we went WAYYYYYYYYYY OT on this
[16:39] <savvas> I can translate that word exactly though :P
[16:39] <savvas> it's on topic, I'm looking for one as well hehe
[16:39] <BUGabundo> no need
[16:39] <BUGabundo> we already have one in english
[16:39] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:39] <BUGabundo> ahh
[16:39] <savvas> in greek!!!
[16:39] <BUGabundo> ok then
[16:40]  * savvas shakes BUGabundo :)
[16:40] <BUGabundo> then go back to my point
[16:40] <BUGabundo> how would you say the one for hospital?
[16:41] <savvas> I would call it a triage :\ I'm studying medicine in english and serbian, lol
[16:43] <savvas> in serbian is Trijaža, in greek.. well.. I'll have to ask
[16:43] <savvas> it never occured to me before
[16:47] <savvas> looks like I have to use two words for triage
[16:48] <savvas> andresmujica: okay, in greek it's "bug sorting and assessment"
[16:48] <andresmujica> :)
[17:01] <savvas> can someone set this as wishlist: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/323054
[17:01] <andresmujica> dholbach pedro the bugjam odp is translated into spanish now!
[17:02] <dholbach> andresmujica: AWESOME
[17:02] <dholbach> andresmujica: did you attach it to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam ?
[17:02] <andresmujica> yeap
[17:02] <andresmujica> uploading
[17:02] <dholbach> rock and roll
[17:02] <dholbach> andresmujica: thanks a lot my friend
[17:02] <andresmujica> if i can get some time later, i'll translate the GBJ flyer too
[17:02] <andresmujica> well, the hard work was made by MagicFab
[17:03] <pedro_> andresmujica: great, thanks you!
[17:05] <dholbach> now go and blog about it! :)
[17:21] <jgoguen> https://launchpad.net/bugs/259678, user reported the problem with Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 on Feisty, but doesn't run Thunderbird on anything newer, and I can't reproduce the issue (works as expected for me).  Should I close it and explain that it's being closed because the issue doesn't appear to happen in the current version?
[19:41] <m1k3> How do I know if this is a bug or hardware probleM?
[19:42] <m1k3> Jan 30 13:37:04 mike-desktop kernel: [  599.004088] ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[19:42] <m1k3> Jan 30 13:37:04 mike-desktop kernel: [  599.004089] ata5.00: error: { ICRC ABRT }
[19:42] <m1k3> Jan 30 13:37:04 mike-desktop kernel: [  599.004093] ata5.00: cmd 61/08:28:3f:00:d4/00:00:53:00:00/40 tag 5 ncq 4096 out
[19:42] <m1k3> Jan 30 13:37:04 mike-desktop kernel: [  599.004094]          res 51/84:08:2f:e8:e7/84:00:53:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
[20:49] <rbrunhuber> Is this the apropriate place to discuss a bugreport, which is not getting attention even it is a showstopper in some circumstances?
[20:51] <hggdh> rbrunhuber, not really. But if you give us the bug #, someone may take a look
[20:52] <rbrunhuber> hggdh: mom
[20:52] <rbrunhuber> It is bug 317297.
[20:54] <rbrunhuber> hggdh: I tried to debug it a bit on my own but my ubuntu/linux knowledge is far too small.
[20:54] <hggdh> rbrunhuber, have you tried with the current kernel/initramfs/etc?
[20:55] <hggdh> I remember a problem on -4 where LVM disks were not initialised
[20:55] <rbrunhuber> My setup is completely updated till image -6 (which came in yesterday) no change
[20:57] <rbrunhuber> What i saw was that in initramfs -3 vgchange was called while in -4 lvm -vgchange was called.
[20:58] <afflux> rbrunhuber: some information about your configuration (ie. crypttab, whether the lvm is encrypted, or just one partition, where in the initramfs it droppes you to busybox) might be helpful. Considered I use a luks encrypted lvm for root here too I may be able to help.
[20:59] <rbrunhuber> afflux : everything except boot is encrypted.
[20:59] <rbrunhuber> afflux: I'll be back in a minute.
[21:11] <rbrunhuber> afflux: Still there?
[21:13] <afflux> yep
[21:13] <afflux> rbrunhuber: ^
[21:14] <rbrunhuber> ok, so what did you need from me?
[21:14] <rbrunhuber> afflux: I just booted into linux to help you diagnose things...
[21:14] <afflux> rbrunhuber: the crypttab might be interesting, as well as when the boot actually fails
[21:15] <rbrunhuber> afflux: I can't say when it fails the last thing it does is initializing some usb devices.
[21:16] <afflux> rbrunhuber: it's before asking for the decryption password, right?
[21:16] <rbrunhuber> afflux: crypttab has only one line: sda4_crypt /dev/disk/by-uuid/e471edd5-a3de-4275-8bcf-e61515071cdf none luks
[21:16] <rbrunhuber> afflux: yes.
[21:16] <andersk> What causes a bug to have its status tracked separately for separate Ubuntu releases (e.g. bug 305539)?
[21:16] <rbrunhuber> afflux: Good point I will add this to the bugreport later.
[21:17] <afflux> andersk: someone from the release team (I think)  has to accept the bug report for an older release when it qualifies for an SRU
[21:18] <afflux> rbrunhuber: mmhh the cryptroot script does not seem to run
[21:18] <afflux> rbrunhuber: did you try to boot without splash?
[21:19] <rbrunhuber> afflux: yes
[21:19] <afflux> rbrunhuber: any useful information before busybox?
[21:19] <rbrunhuber> afflux: booting the -3 image works, but all higher images don't
[21:21] <rbrunhuber> afflux: just what i've written in the report: bug 317297
[21:21] <afflux> hmm
[21:25] <afflux> rbrunhuber: one last thing I could imagine would be cryptroot missing from the initramfs for some reason
[21:26] <rbrunhuber> afflux: I've extracted the -3 initramfs and the -4 initramfs so where should it be located?
[21:26] <afflux> rbrunhuber: let me check
[21:27] <afflux> rbrunhuber: ./sbin/cryptsetup and ./conf/conf.d/cryptroot
[21:27] <rbrunhuber> afflux: maybe this brings some light in this: /03/conf/conf.d/cryptroot is missing in the -4 image.
[21:28] <afflux> rbrunhuber: that sounds like a problem.
[21:28] <afflux> rbrunhuber: try update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.28-4-generic
[21:31] <rbrunhuber> the file should be also under /etc/initramfstools/conf.d?
[21:31] <rbrunhuber> afflux ^
[21:32] <rbrunhuber> afflux: it's missing there too.
[21:32] <afflux> rbrunhuber: no
[21:32] <afflux> rbrunhuber: the file should get generated on update-initramfs by /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot
[21:35] <rbrunhuber> ok, I'll give it a shot then
[21:36] <rbrunhuber> afflux: it is still not there.
[21:37] <afflux> rbrunhuber: hmm
[21:37] <afflux> rbrunhuber: I'll comment on the bug, it's getting late and I'm tired ;)
[21:38] <rbrunhuber> afflux: Thanks for your assistance.
[21:38] <afflux> you're welcome
[21:39] <rbrunhuber> afflux: Can you add a tag like "showstopper" on this? If someone has no -3 kernel his setup may not boot.
[21:41] <afflux> rbrunhuber: there is no such tag. If it's a real problem and not likely to be fixed until release, one would inform the devs, I guess.
[21:43] <rbrunhuber> afflux: Do you mean I should try to jump into -devel and ask there again?
[21:45] <afflux> rbrunhuber: no I'd suggest waiting, I guess we can sort the issue out before the release.
[22:31] <benste> someone her who can explain me how to link a launchpad bug to a pidgin one?
[22:32] <benste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/321548
[22:32] <benste> I thought I could use triageing or something like that
[22:32] <andersk> benste: just click on Also affects project.
[22:33] <benste> project is also whithin the bug description
[22:33] <benste> but not a link to
[22:33] <benste> http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/249
[22:33] <benste> I know there was something like "upstream bug" for gnome isn't there something  I could do for pidgin?
[22:34] <benste> I'm sorry
[22:34] <andersk> benste: There is a link that says "Also affects project" above the bug description.
[22:34] <benste> yes actually found it :-)
[22:35] <benste> lol
[22:35] <benste> now status is unknown
[22:35] <benste> .-)
[22:36] <maco> the bug report updater will change it to reflect whatever gnome sets it to later
[22:36] <charlie-tca> benste: it will update itself, usually within a day or two
[22:36] <benste> thanks a lot
[22:36] <benste> this helped me abit :-)