[10:24] <somaunn> hello y a quelqu'un ?
[11:52] <andresmujica> go bug jam!!!
[11:53] <dholbach> hiya andresmujica
[11:53] <fcestrada> dholbach: hi
[11:53] <dholbach> hiya fcestrada, hi Hew
[11:53] <Hew> Hi dholbach :-)
[11:54] <dholbach> hiya CrownAmbassador
[11:54] <jpds> Morning dholbach.
[11:54] <dholbach> hiya selinuxium
[11:54] <dholbach> hey jpds
[11:54] <selinuxium> hi dholbach  :)
[11:54] <selinuxium> I am on a train and may periodically lose connection...
[11:54] <andresmujica> hi dholbach
[11:55] <CrownAmbassador> Hiya dholbach!
[11:55] <dholbach> selinuxium: thanks for joining in :)
[11:55] <jpds> selinuxium: They'll be logs.
[11:55] <dholbach> hey Twinkletoes|W
[11:55] <CrownAmbassador> Thanks for the message in #ubuntu-bugs!
[11:55] <Twinkletoes|W> dholbach: What's all this about then?
[11:55] <selinuxium> dholbach: l am hosting the London BugJam... I was looking for someone to take the lead... :)   But no probs looking myself...
[11:55] <dholbach> Twinkletoes|W: we're gearing up towards https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam - this will be a session to talk about how we're doing it, what works, what doesn't, etc.
[11:55] <dholbach> hiya thekorn
[11:56] <thekorn> hui dholbach
[11:56] <dholbach> hey savvas
[11:56] <thekorn> and all other bug jammers
[11:56] <popey> moo
[11:56] <dholbach> hey popey!
[11:56] <savvas> hey :)
[11:56] <selinuxium> a bit off topic, but will there be a MOTU Jam at any point?
[11:57] <selinuxium> popey: :)
[11:57] <dholbach> selinuxium: you mean about packaging stuff etc?
[11:57] <selinuxium> dholbach: yep  :)
[11:57] <dholbach> selinuxium: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/RunningPackagingJam has some information about that :)
[11:57] <dholbach> selinuxium: we run them in the Berlin team and it works great
[11:57] <selinuxium> dholbach: cool
[11:57] <dholbach> hey Tekno, hey syockit, hiya pedro_ :)
[11:57] <Tekno> hey
[11:57] <pedro_> hello folks!
[11:57] <selinuxium> dholbach: it is a bit far to walk  ;)
[11:58] <dholbach> selinuxium: definitely :)
[11:58] <dholbach> hi error404notfound, hi zleap
[11:58] <pedro_> hah nice nick
[11:58] <zleap> thanks
[11:58] <andresmujica> hi pedro
[11:58] <dholbach> 2 minutes left, time to grab another coffee
[11:58] <pedro_> hey andresmujica! nice work on the compiz hug day ;-)
[11:58]  * pedro_ hugs andresmujica
[11:58] <error404notfound> dholbach: hi
[11:59] <selinuxium> dholbach: dependingg on how the bug jam goes, I will try and host a packaging jam
[11:59] <andresmujica> :)  yea !!
[11:59]  * andresmujica hugs back
[11:59] <dholbach> selinuxium: PERFECT :)
[11:59] <dholbach> that's what we like
[11:59] <syockit> seconds left
[11:59] <dholbach> hi christoz
[12:00] <zleap> is there a list of future classroom topics in here
[12:00] <selinuxium> dholbach: I tried to get a mentor years ago but couldn't find one..
[12:00] <dholbach> WELCOME EVERYBODY TO ANOTHER EPISODE OF THE GLOBAL BUG JAM CONSPIRACY!
[12:00] <zleap> i can put a link from the uk south west page
[12:00]  * selinuxium quietens down
[12:00] <dholbach> I'm very happy you guys are here - let's do a quick round of introduction and say where we're from and if our team is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam already :-)
[12:00]  * dholbach is Daniel Holbach from the Berlin team and yes, we're on the page already :)
[12:01]  * jpds is Jonathan Davies from the UK Team, and we have a London venue.
[12:01]  * selinuxium is from UK team and the London jam can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/London
[12:01]  * pedro_ Pedro Villavicencio from the lovely and sunny Chile and the team is also on the page ;-)
[12:01]  * andresmujica is Andres Mujica from Colombian Team, and yes we're at the wiki page already! 
[12:01]  * popey is Alan Pope from the UK Team, and likes ponies.
[12:01]  * InHisName is from Warminster, PA USA is with ubuntu-us-pa  our bugjam is Feb21
[12:02] <dholbach> come on guys... who else do we have here? :)
[12:02] <dholbach> hiya ArepaKing
[12:02]  * fcestrada is Fernando C. Estrada from the Mexico City ;)
[12:02] <selinuxium> ola!
[12:02] <stefanlsd> heys, im here representing the bug jam in South Africa
[12:02] <ArepaKing> Hi Everybody
[12:02] <dholbach> hey stefanlsd
[12:02]  * syockit still not in any team...
[12:03] <dholbach> awesome.... if you only knew how excited I am :)
[12:03] <misterdasher> misterdasher is James Dasher from the North Carolina team, and we're planning a pre-bugjam howto next Saturday.
[12:03] <CrownAmbassador> stafanlsd we need to talk!
[12:03]  * savvas is from Ubuntu-cy, and wants to organise a possible bug jam for 9.04 release party :P
[12:03] <CrownAmbassador> I'm also from SA and didn't even know we have a team!
[12:03]  * ArepaKing is Carlos Lerzundy. He is also from the North Carolina team
[12:03] <dholbach> So how ready is your team for the jam on a scale from 0 to 10? :)
[12:03] <dholbach> hi k0001
[12:03]  * Citizenjoefriday is a third from the NC team
[12:04] <stefanlsd> CrownAmbassador: #ubuntu-za  & http://wiki.ubuntu-za.org/Wiki_Home
[12:04] <savvas> ubuntu-cy is about 1/10 unfortunately - but we're working on it hehe
[12:04] <CrownAmbassador> *twilight zone*
[12:04] <stefanlsd> we also need more planning / people...
[12:04] <misterdasher> is thinking ubunutu-us-nc is a 1 or 2
[12:05] <savvas> stefanlsd: yep, that's my concern as well, very few in number :\
[12:05] <dholbach> savvas, stefanlsd, misterdasher: what's missing? I'd really like us to talk about the problems we're having and how we think we can fix them
[12:05] <fcestrada> ubuntu-mx is about 0 or 1 if you count I'm here
[12:05] <selinuxium> we have a venue and attendees, but no one as yet to lead the jam...
[12:05] <dholbach> fcestrada: definitely 1 :)
[12:05] <dholbach> ok, looks like we have a few topics already
[12:05] <misterdasher> dholbach: iirc, no one has participated.
[12:05] <dholbach> 1) Explanatory Material or a "leader"
[12:06] <dholbach> 2) "Marketing" :)
[12:06] <savvas> dholbach: nothing yet on your behalf, I just have to "propagate" contribution ideology to the whole team. We're going fine until now, I hope I can channel my energy to other members
[12:06] <tuxmaniac> sorry for the interruption and being late. this is Aanjhan from India
[12:06] <dholbach> hey tuxmaniac!
[12:06] <misterdasher> we're figuring out how to run our first ever
[12:06] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam#Material has a bunch of stuff you and your team can take a look at before kicking it off
[12:07] <stefanlsd> dholbach: i think I just need to push it harder. I think we have many people who also feel like they cant contribute. (we need to make sure that everyone feels welcome and will be able to do something).   maybe also just make it a social get together also...
[12:07] <dholbach> there's a presentation somebody can do, about Bugs and Launchpad
[12:07] <dholbach> there's a screencast about bug triage
[12:07] <savvas> dholbach: that would make me mostly an observer for now - I just want to see experiences from other teams and stuff like that :)
[12:07] <dholbach> and lots of links for triage documentation in general
[12:07] <dholbach> pedro_, popey: is there an overlap between the screencast team and the QA/bugsquad team?
[12:08] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we could push out a few more screencasts before the event :)
[12:08] <dholbach> hey robbit
[12:08] <popey> ok, that can be done
[12:08] <robbit> Hi!
[12:08] <pedro_> yup would be nice to have some more inded
[12:08] <dholbach> popey: I'd be happy to upload them to video.ubuntu.com and blog about it
[12:08] <CrownAmbassador> thanks stefanlsd
[12:08] <dholbach> pedro_, popey: do you have an idea about "easy tasks" that could be demonstrated?
[12:09] <andresmujica> pedro / dholbach:  is the odp presentation in spanish yet?
[12:09] <dholbach> one question I get all the time is "how can I change the status of the bug?"
[12:09] <dholbach> andresmujica: no, unfortunately not yet - but it would be AWESOME if it got translated
[12:09] <dholbach> andresmujica: do you think you could ask in your Loco if somebody was willing to do that?
[12:09] <dholbach> I'll try to get it translated into German as well
[12:10] <andresmujica> dholbach: ok, i'm gonna ask for it!! (or do it myself if needed..)
[12:10] <dholbach> thekorn: are you running a bug jam somewhere too?
[12:10] <pedro_> right, well that and things like how can i change the package name, what do i need in order to have permissions to change the importance, etc
[12:10] <dholbach> andresmujica: you're a rock start
[12:10] <pedro_> would be nice to have that  on the screencast as well
[12:10] <dholbach> ... star
[12:10] <andresmujica> at this point there's only one screencast, right?
[12:10] <dholbach> pedro_: maybe we could do a call for "questions" or "tasks" on the bugsquad list?
[12:10] <dholbach> andresmujica: yes, unfortunately
[12:11] <dholbach> we have audio and video interviews with Brian and Jorge about the topic too, but they're very general
[12:11] <dholbach> hey Daviey
[12:11]  * Daviey strolls in late.
[12:11] <Daviey> dholbach: o/
[12:11] <dholbach> hey x1250_
[12:11] <dholbach> andresmujica: please let me know how the translation effort goes - I'll blog about it too
[12:11] <ArepaKing> dholbach: Do you think this screencast can be posted in the bug jam material website? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam#Material)
[12:12] <thekorn> dholbach: well julius and I thought about it some time ago, but no further details until now, will talk to him about it later today
[12:12] <x1250_> hi dholbach
[12:12] <dholbach> ArepaKing: definitely, once we have more they should be listed there
[12:12] <ArepaKing> all right! thank you sir
[12:12] <tuxmaniac> the running bug jam material is pretty good to answer most of the questions. But i feel its too much information overload.
[12:12] <dholbach> thekorn: do you have a mailing list for that area? you could ask other people too
[12:13] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: tell us a bit about your experience - what works well in a bug jam... if you don't want to overload people
[12:13] <tuxmaniac> if there is one signle presentation which shows in very simple terms to kick of bug triaging instead of reding through all these, that will be great
[12:13] <pedro_> dholbach: i think so, yes or perhaps ask to the loco teams what they think needs more explanation, the bugsquad already know those things so we might get wrong info imho
[12:14] <tuxmaniac> because dholbach , people (especially new comers) are not so interested in the RTFM thingi :-) They want to be spoonfed initially. and then the remaining catches up like fire
[12:14] <dholbach> pedro_: sounds good - I'll add it to my TODO list to ask on loco-contacts
[12:14] <pedro_> awesome
[12:14] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: alright... let's talk about how to actually run the bug jam a bit later
[12:14] <dholbach> do we have good tips for marketing the event?
[12:14] <tuxmaniac> ok
[12:15] <dholbach> so what I did in Berlin was mail the Berlin team mailing list and blog about the event a couple of times
[12:15] <dholbach> also I tried to rope in other people to help a bit with the organisation, so it wasn't me alone :)
[12:16] <dholbach> I think I heard of other Locos that put up posters in bookshops and universities and LUGs
[12:16] <dholbach> that might work very well too
[12:16] <thekorn> dholbach: hmm, don't know, I'm not active in the local scene, julius is, will aks him about it
[12:16] <dholbach> thekorn: great
[12:17] <dholbach> popey, pedro_, stefanlsd, tuxmaniac: any other good advice from the marketing department?
[12:17] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: yes. and not mailing only to Ubuntu-XX loco lists but also to other LUGs around will have additional coverage
[12:17] <popey> blog / twitter / facebook / identi.ca / use them all
[12:17] <popey> talk about it often
[12:18] <stefanlsd> tuxmaniac: yeah, good idea, will get it onto our local lugs...
[12:18] <dholbach> forums too
[12:18] <dholbach> that sounds very good already
[12:19] <popey> yeah
[12:19] <dholbach> we're now around 3 weeks away from the event, we should definitely ramp up the marketing efforts now :)
[12:19] <popey> there is a facebook group - i created it a week or so ago
[12:19] <popey> need people to join and use it
[12:19] <dholbach> wow
[12:19] <tuxmaniac> stefanlsd: the thing is not to restrict ourselves with Ubuntu-xx lists. I found out from the past many dont join ubuntu-xx lists but just join the local lugs
[12:19] <tuxmaniac> popey: wow. linky please
[12:20] <stefanlsd> tuxmaniac: thanks. put it in my to do list
[12:20] <popey> i can't right now, being dragged to the pub for lunch
[12:20] <dholbach> there was a bunch of people saying "we're not very organised yet" - which problems are you guys having at the moment?
[12:20] <andresmujica> popey: the name at least ;)
[12:20] <selinuxium_> lucky popey!
[12:20] <popey> just search facebook for bug jam
[12:20]  * andresmujica searching
[12:21] <tuxmaniac> the EPFL lausanne crowd are ardent followers of Ubuntu. we infact distributed Ubuntu cds
[12:21] <tuxmaniac> http://tinyurl.com/d4vmdh
[12:21] <tuxmaniac> ^^ facebook
[12:21] <dholbach> did you all find a venue already?
[12:21] <Daviey> dholbach: The obv. things are the problems at the momnet - getting venue organised/confirmed / day structure / etc
[12:22] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: i have to check with the guys back in idnia the scenario :-)
[12:22] <tuxmaniac> will get things in place by this weekend
[12:22] <stefanlsd> Still need a fixed venue. I have my office / house as fallback.
[12:22] <dholbach> office/house as fallback is a good start already :)
[12:22]  * dholbach remembers the first Berlin release party in my appartment with 40 people :)
[12:23] <dholbach> nuts :)
[12:23] <dholbach> Daviey: where does your local LUG meet?
[12:23] <dholbach> Daviey: is there any university / school nearby that might offer space?
[12:23] <Daviey> dholbach: A attend a few LUG's... mainly university or cafe 's
[12:23] <dholbach> or a pub with Wifi
[12:24] <Daviey> dholbach: I think we have a couple of venue's sorted now \o/
[12:24] <dholbach> maybe it helps to talk to organisers of those LUGs
[12:24] <andresmujica> we`re planning a preparation session  for feb7 and the main event at feb21, how can i motivate them to assist to both?... we're about 11 subscribed
[12:24] <dholbach> most of them will be happy and very pleased to see people getting active about helping out directly in a distribution
[12:24] <tuxmaniac> on a lighter nte.. a pub with wifi is slightly a bad choice. once i remember we going in to have a good hackathon and the next thing I could remember was everybody calling up each other whether they reached home safe :P
[12:25] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: haha
[12:25] <dholbach> andresmujica: did you do a public call for participation in a blog and the mailing lists, etc already?
[12:25] <tuxmaniac> wait! a flash came through. some people who attend fosdem could do some marketing as well
[12:26] <dholbach> andresmujica: definitely add your information to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam so people who wonder about the event can get back in touch with you
[12:26] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: sounds good
[12:27] <tuxmaniac> i am in representing both Fedora and Ubuntu at fosdem :-)
[12:27] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: may be a reply to the "Me at fosdem" thread on Ubuntu LocoContact list will end up having some result?
[12:27] <selinuxium> can some one link me to the logs, train journey keeps kicking me off the net...
[12:27] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: worth trying it :)
[12:27] <dholbach> selinuxium: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/30/%23ubuntu-classroom.txt
[12:28] <dholbach> will be 15 minutes delayed
[12:28] <selinuxium> cheers dholbach
[12:28] <dholbach> alright
[12:28] <selinuxium> that is fine
[12:28] <jpds> (updates hourly).
[12:28] <andresmujica> ok!, yes, we've got the post -and thread- at mailing list!   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-co/2009-January/013340.html
[12:28] <dholbach> Daviey asked about the organisation or rather day structure
[12:28] <tuxmaniac> selinuxium: irssi + ssh + screen :-)
[12:28] <dholbach> let's talk about that a bit now
[12:29] <dholbach> the most important thing about the whole event is: make it fun
[12:29] <selinuxium> tuxmaniac:   :P
[12:29] <dholbach> it really does not matter much how many bugs each loco worked on, but it should have been fun and people should have had a chance to see what it's like
[12:29] <dholbach> so do we have some experience from the last time in here?
[12:30]  * selinuxium cancels his order for a riding crop....
[12:30] <dholbach> tuxmaniac was right in saying "don't overload people"
[12:31] <tuxmaniac> yes. last time a lot of people were very very enthusiastic during the preparatory sessions
[12:31] <dholbach> it's perfectly fine to do a short presentation in the beginning to get everybody on the same page
[12:31] <dholbach> but afterwards it's a good idea to turn off the projector or get away from "in front of the class"
[12:31] <tuxmaniac> but during the GBJ days I felt the enthu kept dying.. May be because there wasnt specific targets set?
[12:31] <dholbach> else you'll have the problem that people expect more presentation or more "class" :)
[12:31] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: specific targets definitely help
[12:32] <dholbach> pedro_ is our man here who can talk about targets :)
[12:32] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: also what I found out helps is grouping people
[12:32] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: like we have during the Hug days right. a set of bugs to be triaged
[12:32] <dholbach> so they can try to work together on a set of bugs
[12:32] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: yep. perfect
[12:32] <stefanlsd> is there a recommended list of targets or tasks.. maybe in levels from beginners to int to advanced?
[12:33] <tuxmaniac> stefanlsd: exactly what i was coming to nest. the levels also somehow mentioned. or some experienced folks get toghetre and pick up some bugs prior
[12:33] <dholbach> stefanlsd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugKam has a few
[12:33] <tuxmaniac> and throw it on the team
[12:33] <andresmujica> making metric targets would be to cumbersome?  i've proposed some metrics in our GBJ event.. but don't know if that would be too serious...
[12:33]  * fcestrada very interested in the stefanlsd's question.
[12:34] <dholbach> andresmujica: what kind of metrics?
[12:34] <dholbach> pedro_ is our man here who can talk about targets :)
[12:34] <pedro_> yeah we have collected some easy tasks on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/EasyTasks
[12:34] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: you scared him away once. dont do that again :P
[12:34] <pedro_> they are sorted by difficulty
[12:34] <pedro_> and we also add some examples next to them
[12:34] <andresmujica> assigning bugs to the right package: 200,   finding duplicates: 10 ... things like that
[12:34] <pedro_> I'd recommend to start with bugs without a package
[12:34] <pedro_> those are the ones easier to triage
[12:35] <tuxmaniac> pedro_: can we have them on the GBJ, runing bug jam material wiki may be? is it out of context there?
[12:35] <pedro_> tuxmaniac: they are there
[12:35] <andresmujica> yeap, bugs without package is our main objective...
[12:35] <pedro_> just scroll down a bit on the GBJ page
[12:36] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: it might be worth picking just a few of those bugs and say "let's get cracking on these together"
[12:36] <tuxmaniac> yes
[12:36] <pedro_> if you have people with more experience you can grab some other bugs like the ones that need to be upstreamed and make jcastro happy
[12:36] <dholbach> hehe
[12:37] <pedro_> if you think we should add some other bugs to the list please do contact me
[12:37] <pedro_> or to dholbach, jcastro
[12:37]  * dholbach nods
[12:37] <tuxmaniac> pedro_: sure. i will look into those Science bugs and see
[12:38] <stefanlsd> pedro_: how about confirming bugs
[12:38] <dholbach> stefanlsd: definitely good idea too
[12:38] <pedro_> stefanlsd: yeah definitely
[12:38]  * pedro_ taking notes
[12:38] <dholbach> stefanlsd: make sure to people to add as much information to the bugs as possible
[12:38] <dholbach> pedro_: you need to blog all this! :-)
[12:38] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: you are slightly faster than me in mailing the list :-)
[12:39] <pedro_> dholbach: yeah will do it ;-)
[12:39] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases is a useful guide if people want to actually test and work on jaunty
[12:39] <dholbach> ...... in a SAFE way :)
[12:40] <pedro_> hehe
[12:40] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: thats a very nice thing. may be some people can download the alpha isos and have them ready and distribute during the event
[12:40] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: sure, why not
[12:40] <dholbach> do we have any more open questions?
[12:40] <fcestrada> dholbach: how to identify this kind of easy bugs?, pick a random bug is a good idea, using harvest or what's the way?
[12:40] <tuxmaniac> so that people dont waste time in getting the isos down during the GBJ. distribute, use the live cd, triage report bugs :-)
[12:41] <dholbach> fcestrada: only if they actually want to work on fixing the bug
[12:41] <andresmujica> dholbach: about metrics, what do u think?
[12:41] <dholbach> fcestrada: I'd say that's more for experienced bug triage people only
[12:41] <fcestrada> :(
[12:41] <dholbach> fcestrada: we had people in Berlin who said "What's a bug?" and "What's Launchpad?"
[12:41] <dholbach> fcestrada: it completely depends on who attends your event
[12:42] <dholbach> if it's a bunch of hackers or experienced bugsquad members, that's cool - go wild on Harvest and fix bugs :-)
[12:42] <stefanlsd> Thinking about it, i dont really want people to get bogged down and stuck on really technical difficult bugs...  lets get them excited to go home and carry on doing the other stuff
[12:42] <stefanlsd> it also pulls the mentors away from all the quick answerable questions for others
[12:42] <dholbach> andresmujica: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/Stories :-)
[12:42] <ArepaKing> what is the "other stuff" could you please make some examples?
[12:43] <dholbach> andresmujica: if you take notes during the event about what you guys did, etc. - it'd be AWESOME if you wrote a small report about it, so we can show the world how much your event ROCKed
[12:43] <dholbach> ArepaKing: pedro_ can talk about easy bug targets - what we already identified was:
[12:43] <dholbach>  - take New bugs and try to confirm the issue and add information
[12:43] <andresmujica> ok, i'll get the idea...  :)
[12:44] <dholbach>  - take bugs without a package and try to assign them to the right place
[12:44] <stefanlsd> ArepaKing: I think those easy tasks as dholbach was saying.  Like what is Launchpad. Make your account.  Find bugs without packages, assign those. Add more information. pedro_ showed us https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/EasyTasks  which i think is great
[12:45] <ArepaKing> ok.. understood.. thanks!
[12:45] <dholbach> if you come across other categories of easy bugs, I'm sure pedro_ would appreciate it
[12:45] <pedro_> btw if you want to start doing some triage for being more well prepared for the GBJ, just take a target from that list (EasyTasks) and drop by #ubuntu-bugs at any time if you have some questions
[12:46] <dholbach> pedro_: exactly - that's great
[12:46] <dholbach> definitely let people know that they can easily talk to the rest of the world and get help
[12:46] <dholbach> ... and have fun
[12:46] <pedro_> we're running bug days the Thursdays , on those days we focus on a target for example yesterday we did one based on Compiz
[12:46] <dholbach> ... and find new friends there :)
[12:46] <stefanlsd> dholbach, pedro_ : i assume we can tell the guys to log onto  #ubuntu-bugs and just ask if they are unsure...
[12:46] <dholbach> stefanlsd: definitely
[12:46] <pedro_> and the next one is going to be based on Bugs without a package (bling bling one of the easier tasks)
[12:46] <stefanlsd> kk. i think thats answered
[12:46] <tuxmaniac> ArepaKing: another easy task could be to check for bugs reported in Hardy or revious distros and re-ask info whether they still occur in intrepid for further info if the package has had updates
[12:47] <pedro_> stefanlsd: yes sr
[12:47] <stefanlsd> dholbach: talk bout 5-a-day!!  :)
[12:47] <ArepaKing> that is a good suggestion tuxmaniac..
[12:47] <dholbach> stefanlsd: not yet - next week I plan to rework it with bdmurray
[12:48] <pedro_> tuxmaniac: might be tricky to collect a list with that, since launchpad doesn't support release versions nor package versions :-(
[12:48] <dholbach> stefanlsd: but I definitely plan to make some noise about it then :)
[12:48] <stefanlsd> dholbach: kk. i think it would be awesome to track how people / teams are doing.
[12:48] <dholbach> pedro_: "filed date" could maybe help? :)
[12:48] <dholbach> stefanlsd: definitely - that's the plan
[12:48] <dholbach> stefanlsd: but we want to make it easier and get more data from LP directly
[12:48] <stefanlsd> and then u need to find a sponsor to sponsor a reward for the person / team :)
[12:49] <tuxmaniac> pedro_: yeah I know. But i guess it should not be very difficult with the [hardy] tags attached to some bugs that are still in confirmed state and stuff. Yes, lot of manual work. But worth the clearance IMO
[12:49] <dholbach> stefanlsd: we should ask the guy with the plane about it :-)
[12:49] <pedro_> dholbach: mm yeah, i guess bdmurray have something like that, will have a look
[12:49]  * dholbach is VERY VERY VERY excited
[12:49] <dholbach> Is there any other problems you and your loco are still seeing?
[12:49] <stefanlsd> dholbach: heh. how about the guy that went to space.  t-shirts would be cool
[12:50] <dholbach> stefanlsd: that's the one :)
[12:50] <dholbach> Or do you have other ideas how we could pimp the event a bit more?
[12:50] <dholbach> Did you all blog enough about it already?
[12:50] <stefanlsd> I think we just need to put it out there a bit more, make some excitement.
[12:50] <dholbach> and push other locos into action
[12:50] <stefanlsd> I also think we need to target it more non techincal
[12:51] <andresmujica> hmm, i was wondering if the SPANISH/LATAM teams can get together on a channel during the event, you know for spanish fun ;)
[12:51] <dholbach> I think everybody of us should mail like 5 other Loco leaders to get them to organise a jam :)
[12:51] <stefanlsd> I think many people are scared its a technical thing.  We need to make the point that regular users can make a big difference and contribute to something that they use everyday
[12:51] <tuxmaniac> stefanlsd: +1
[12:52] <pedro_> andresmujica: perhaps at #ubuntu-es ? for general questions would be nice indeed
[12:52] <dholbach> stefanlsd: good idea - would be nice to show in a blog post "this is an example how easily you can make Ubuntu a better place - this is what we're going to at the Jam"
[12:52] <fcestrada> andresmujica: that's a great idea, we are a few people, but maybe make a difference if we have an ubuntu-bugs-es irc or something like that.
[12:52] <andresmujica> yeah, more like #ubuntu-bug-es  as #ubuntu-es is somehow populated
[12:53] <pedro_> andresmujica, fcestrada yup wanna send an email to the amigos latinos? I'll announce that on my loco team
[12:53] <dholbach> any more questions? everything settled? does everybody have a clear idea of what needs to happen next? :)
[12:54] <pedro_> world domination!
[12:54] <andresmujica> yeap, sure.. to the loco-leaders... :)
[12:54] <dholbach> ahaha
[12:54] <stefanlsd> hehe. yeah.  thanks!
[12:54] <tuxmaniac> pedro_: lol
[12:54] <Daviey> thanks dholbach
[12:54] <fcestrada> ubuntu-es is good all the time for general questions, I'm talking to have a channel for this kind of activities, like a latam bug jam contributing to the global bug jam.
[12:55] <misterdasher> thanks, y'all --
[12:55] <andresmujica> me again nagging about metris.. last year the target was 1000 bugs..?? according to some blogs i've read??
[12:55] <dholbach> ok my friends... We're ready to really bring it on!
[12:55] <pedro_> fcestrada: yes got the idea ;-)
[12:55]  * tuxmaniac hugs dholbach .. (lets start a dholbach hug party again :P)
[12:55]  * dholbach hugs y'all back :-)
[12:55]  * pedro_ hugs the whole channel
[12:55] <fcestrada> thanks dholbach, you're the man!
[12:55] <dholbach> I want to see some blogging, more publicity and please: go and nag a few other loco leaders to join in on the fun! :-)
[12:56]  * andresmujica hugs everyone!!
[12:56] <dholbach> thanks a bunch everybody
[12:56] <dholbach> the world definitely needs more people like you
[12:57] <dholbach> have a great day!
[12:57] <stefanlsd> :)
[12:57] <fcestrada> dholbach: thanks, same to you :)
[12:57] <andresmujica> fcestrada, pedro:  about the channel .... which one??
[12:59] <fcestrada> I don't know about the name, it's great if not only focus in bugs, maybe mentoring sessions, but maybe an opportunity to involve people who can't assist, feel the emotion of participate in that via irc.
[13:02] <andresmujica> so maybe it's ok to use #ubuntu-es
[13:04] <fcestrada> andresmujica: No, ubuntu-es have the focus to general questions about Ubuntu in spanish, maybe something like ubuntu-motu-es or something like refers to involve novice people in the ubuntu development of course, in spanish ;)
[13:04] <pedro_> andresmujica: gbj-es ?
[13:08] <fcestrada> pedro_: I don't think so, gbj-es have a very specific (and less intuitive) name, I suggest a general channel for ubuntu bug days, sessions, involve in development, and topics like that.
[13:08] <pedro_> fcestrada: the channel is going to be used for the gbj isnt?
[13:09] <pedro_> fcestrada: to be honest i don't care too much about the name, let's use ubuntu-classroom-es then which involve more things like you said
[13:09] <fcestrada> pedro_: of course used for the gbj, but it's great if we mantain that channel, and not only for one day and lose the contact.
[13:11] <fcestrada> mmm, I supposed it's very idealistic :P
[13:12] <pedro_> fcestrada: your call then, let me know about the name when you decided it so can announce it at my loco too ;-)
[13:12] <fcestrada> Anyway, I need to prepare for the work, 7:12am here. See you guys, and thanks for all! ;)
[13:13] <fcestrada> pedro_ what's about ubuntu-motu-es? think it about and ping me if you're ok ;) Buen día :P
[13:57] <cfoch> hola
[14:01] <somaunn> hola
[14:05] <cfoch> tengo un problema con el emesene
[14:05] <cfoch> cuando me kiero conectar se pone la ventana de color gris, y no responde
[14:06] <cfoch> antes me conectaba y ahora ya no
[14:06] <cfoch> ayudenme porfa
[14:19] <Mamarok> cfoch: per Italiano, vai sul canale #ubuntu-it
[14:20] <Mamarok> e para Español, #ubuntu-es
[14:20] <syockit> that's not portuguese?
[14:20] <Mamarok> sorry, mixed up :)
[15:46] <BUGabundo> jorge asked to come by and say Hi!
[15:47] <BUGabundo> Fri Jan 30 15:47:00 UTC 2009
[18:10] <smarter> C'est quoi le/les bouquins de référence en C?
[18:11] <smarter> oops, wrong channel, sorry :P
[23:45] <jcastro> ~15 minute warning!
[23:45] <istaz> for?
[23:45] <jcastro> How to Run a Bug Jam
[23:46] <threethirty> gday all
[23:55] <_patrickd> morning all
[23:56] <j1mc> man, there's just so many bugs...
[23:56] <j1mc> If only someone would hold a session to help us get people together to triage and fix the bugs.
[23:57] <j1mc> i think that would be a great idea
[23:57] <_patrickd> but who could do such a wonderful thing
[23:57] <_patrickd> ?
[23:57] <j1mc> yeah... i don't know.