| maxb | Anyone else on intel graphics hardware or otherwise finding themselves severely affected by bug 307306 still? | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 307306 in gnome-power-manager "upgrade to 2:1.2.99.2-0ubuntu1 makes session utterly slow" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307306 | 00:06 |
| james_w | maxb: still slow for me | 00:07 |
| james_w | maxb: not sure it's entirely gpm's fault, though the symptoms suggest that it is at least related | 00:08 |
| maxb | I've just re-opened the gnome-desktop bugtask, after finding that removing the workaround patch to gnome-desktop that is in the bug comments made the problem worse again | 00:09 |
| maxb | I'm assuming it has to be driver-related since I'm only seeing it on one of my three machines, each with a different video card manufacturer | 00:09 |
| === bluesmoke_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| sainath | i have written a program using libwnck which activates the neighbor workspace | 06:38 |
| sainath | but when executed it returns null | 06:38 |
| sainath | even though there is a neighbor workspace still is not recognizing | 06:39 |
| sainath | can u tell me what is the problem? | 06:39 |
| Amaranth | sainath: If you're using compiz there are no workspaces | 06:48 |
| Amaranth | Well, there is the one you're on, but it is split up into viewports | 06:48 |
| sainath | then which methods i have to use? | 06:49 |
| Amaranth | I don't quite remember but I know you have to do some of the math yourself to figure out where to move | 06:52 |
| Amaranth | sainath: You need to get the height of the screen and the height of the workspace to figure out the number of viewports | 06:55 |
| sainath | k | 06:55 |
| sainath | i now understood where the problem is | 06:55 |
| sainath | thanks | 06:55 |
| Amaranth | then use wnck_workspace_get_viewport_x/y to figure out where you are | 06:55 |
| sainath | i'll figure it out | 06:55 |
| sainath | k | 06:56 |
| Amaranth | sainath: then wnck_screen_move_viewport to move | 06:56 |
| sainath | yes | 06:56 |
| sainath | how viewport values change for diff workspaces? | 06:56 |
| Amaranth | No one mixes workspaces and viewports | 06:57 |
| Amaranth | It's technically possible but you'd go insane as there is no way to manage it | 06:57 |
| sainath | k | 06:58 |
| Amaranth | sainath: In compiz and in gnome using multiple workspaces each with multiple viewports is considered Not Supported so you don't have to worry about it | 06:58 |
| sainath | k | 07:00 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:36 |
| bryce | hey, is there a simple way to disable GNOME's hardcoding of 96 dpi? | 08:22 |
| bryce | nevermind, found it | 08:32 |
| === BugMaN1 is now known as BugMaN | ||
| pitti | seb128: are you planning major new changes in GNOME until next Thursday (alpha-4)? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: GNOME 2.25.90 due next week so yes | 09:15 |
| pitti | seb128: we'll have a soft freeze again Tue to Thu; do you think it's possible to get that in? | 09:15 |
| pitti | (remember, we are also on the sprint) | 09:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: depends what you call new changes, lot of new versions but they are feature, api, etc frozen for 2.25 so no important changes, just lot of updates next week | 09:16 |
| pitti | seb128: okay; in theory we could also do them the week after, if the sprint is too busy? | 09:16 |
| seb128 | pitti: having freezes during new GNOME weeks suck, I can't say now how busy I will be during the sprint | 09:16 |
| seb128 | pitti: I will not, it's either next week or we skip since the next tarball are just one week after the sprint | 09:17 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, seems if there will be major rebuilds next week/afterwards, I better try and push the updated .desktop translation patches in | 09:17 |
| pitti | oh, ok | 09:17 |
| mvo | seb128: the compiz session problem should be fixed with the next upload | 09:24 |
| seb128 | mvo: cool, what did you change? | 09:24 |
| mvo | seb128: compiz-manager has a workaround now, the real problem is in gnome-session (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559450) | 09:25 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 559450 in gnome-session "Gnome-session should try to match .desktop files against XSMP and/or resumed clients" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 09:25 |
| mvo | did I mention that compiz upstream are rockstars ;) ? | 09:25 |
| huats | morning everyone | 09:25 |
| seb128 | mvo: ah ok, I did read this bug upstream but didn't really understand what that meant from an user point of view | 09:25 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 09:25 |
| mvo | seb128: it works for me now, please let me know if its good for you too once it enters the archive (0.7.8-0ubuntu9) | 09:28 |
| seb128 | mvo: I'll do updated bootchart once it's available ;-) | 09:28 |
| * seb128 eyes vuntz | 09:28 | |
| mvo | thanks! | 09:28 |
| seb128 | vuntz: my gnome-panel is frozen, e-d-s crashed and it didn't like that, I though you changed the calendar calls to be async and not block everything? | 09:29 |
| === seb128_ is now known as seb128 | ||
| sainath | I am using metacity as window manager.When i tried to create a new workspace through a program and want to switch to it ,it creates a new workspace but failing to switch. | 09:47 |
| sainath | i have used libwnck funcin my prog | 09:48 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| seb128 | mvo: could you look to bug #322955? | 10:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 322955 in gtk+2.0 "package libgtk2.0-bin 2.14.4-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: package libgtk2.0-bin is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322955 | 10:59 |
| mvo | seb128: done | 11:06 |
| seb128 | mvo: thanks | 11:06 |
| mvo | I have a theory, I think the real bug is memory corruption on the box or something (ld segfauled) bt the subsequent error looks like something in apt to fix | 11:07 |
| seb128 | mvo: did you see my ping about an another upgrade bug yesterday? | 11:11 |
| seb128 | mvo: btw this guy opened several bugs you might want to dup the other ones | 11:13 |
| mvo | seb128: yes, I have it open somewhere, it was a dpkg issue update-manager should be able to resolve it automatically | 11:48 |
| seb128 | mvo: there is over a thousand of apport-package bugs open | 11:50 |
| vuntz | seb128: stack trace of the panel hang? | 12:04 |
| seb128 | vuntz: I did restart it since, there was one thread blocked on a e_flag_something call | 12:05 |
| seb128 | I will get it for you next time but it seems similar to the bug before your changes | 12:05 |
| vuntz | seb128: was it talking about a thread? | 12:05 |
| seb128 | talking? | 12:05 |
| vuntz | seb128: and are you using a calendar that requires a password? | 12:05 |
| seb128 | no | 12:06 |
| seb128 | but evolution was frozen too | 12:06 |
| vuntz | ok, then not what I thought | 12:06 |
| seb128 | I think e-d-s got screwed | 12:06 |
| vuntz | seb128: I'd blame the eds library first, fwiw ;-) | 12:06 |
| seb128 | the applets were still working | 12:06 |
| seb128 | yes, evolution was frozen too | 12:06 |
| seb128 | but I would expect to still have working menus when the clock applet hangs | 12:06 |
| seb128 | that + nozap in jaunty = no easy way to close your session | 12:07 |
| vuntz | seb128: don't compile the clock in process :-) | 12:08 |
| pitti | seb128: alt+sysrq+k ? | 12:08 |
| vuntz | seb128: there's a configure flag | 12:08 |
| mvo | seb128: apport-package bugs> right, they deserve attention | 12:08 |
| pitti | vuntz: .desktop gettext patch> why did you add this fallback to _G_KEY_FILE_DEFAULT_DOMAIN ("desktop_translations")? | 12:09 |
| seb128 | pitti: I did use power button which opens the session dialog ;-) | 12:09 |
| seb128 | vuntz: right but that would means extra ressources use | 12:09 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, if that still works, it is so much better than killing X.. | 12:09 |
| seb128 | well theorically | 12:10 |
| * seb128 looks at vuntz again | 12:10 | |
| vuntz | pitti: because that's what we use in openSUSE -- in the end, we don't add the gettext key for most desktop files | 12:10 |
| seb128 | but right now session closing is doing really different | 12:10 |
| seb128 | +nothing | 12:10 |
| pitti | vuntz: but doesn't that require you to duplicate the application's .mo files to "desktop_translations.mo"? | 12:10 |
| vuntz | pitti: (and because the KDE people didn't implement the gettext key in openSUSE, just hacked it this way) | 12:10 |
| vuntz | pitti: no, we just have the translations from the desktop file | 12:11 |
| pitti | vuntz: I don't think I can justify this bit for upstream inclusion | 12:11 |
| pitti | vuntz: do you want that upstream as well? | 12:11 |
| vuntz | pitti: yeah, this one is... harder :-) Although it makes some sense from a distro point of view | 12:11 |
| vuntz | pitti: note that it's also why we first check for translation with a context | 12:12 |
| pitti | vuntz: well, I think I'll first submit a patch without that fallback, and the fallback can become another request, once it is generally accepted; WDYT? | 12:12 |
| mvo | seb128: apport-package bugs> I can try to do another scan over them, but there is no chance that I can do that daily with my current other tasks | 12:12 |
| seb128 | mvo: try to organize a bug day to clean those? | 12:12 |
| pitti | vuntz: also, do you still remember why you need key_file->file_basename ? | 12:13 |
| vuntz | pitti: makes sense | 12:13 |
| vuntz | pitti: for the context, which is needed for the desktop_translations.mo stuff | 12:14 |
| pitti | aaah, so it's part of that fallback | 12:14 |
| pitti | merci | 12:14 |
| vuntz | (the context is the desktop filename) | 12:14 |
| seb128 | lunch, bbl | 12:15 |
| pitti | vuntz: uh, your patch calls setlocale (LC_MESSAGES, NULL); | 12:16 |
| pitti | vuntz: that shouldn't really be in glib, should it? applications should usually initialize/set their locales? | 12:16 |
| pitti | vuntz: ignore me, I clearly need food | 12:17 |
| vuntz | pitti: nope, it's used | 12:17 |
| vuntz | :-) | 12:17 |
| pitti | NULL != "" | 12:17 |
| fta2 | seb128, my gnome-screensaver is severely broken in jaunty. Seems to be bug 320666 | 12:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 320666 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver fails to unlock after gtk 2.15.0 upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320666 | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | ++ | 12:42 |
| fta2 | I use scim but it doesn't seem to be related. | 12:47 |
| crevette | fta2, I have the same bug | 12:48 |
| seb128 | fta2: don't use an im method and that will work correctly ;-) | 13:06 |
| crevette | I don't use a IM method I guess | 13:07 |
| seb128 | crevette: if you didn't set some special variable for that you don't | 13:08 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: you are made of awesome | 13:48 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: what a nice way to say "good morning" :-) | 13:48 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: what did I break this time? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: isn't that early to say morning in his timezone? ;-) | 13:49 |
| rickspencer3 | I got up early today to get my head around the release status for the meeting, and was greeted with your email | 13:49 |
| pitti | seems Rick is a true larch | 13:50 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: heh | 13:50 |
| rickspencer3 | "larch" as in the tree? | 13:50 |
| pitti | as in the bird? | 13:50 |
| pitti | don't you say larch vs. owl, too? | 13:50 |
| rickspencer3 | aaah | 13:50 |
| pitti | as in, people who get up early, and people who stay up late? | 13:51 |
| rickspencer3 | we do way night owl, but I'm not sure about "larch" | 13:51 |
| rickspencer3 | we do say "early bird" though | 13:51 |
| * pitti checks the dictionary | 13:51 | |
| pitti | oh, I think I meant to say "lark" | 13:51 |
| rickspencer3 | actually, I never got up this early before I stared working at Canonical | 13:51 |
| pitti | similar in German as well, Lärche vs. Lerche | 13:52 |
| rickspencer3 | that makes sense | 13:53 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks for putting the release status page together, I was pretty worried about getting that done before the meeting this morning | 13:54 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: you're welcome; it kind of falls on my plate anyway, and since I had everyone online (including bryce), and it came in short notice, I just did it this morning | 13:55 |
| pitti | seb128: do you happen to know if gnome-panel actually uses the desktop bits from libgnome-desktop-2-11, or if it only uses GKeyFile? I'm trying vuntz' patches, but they prefer gettext over inline, instead of the other way round (as vuntz, and now we, want) | 13:56 |
| pitti | but the code reads correctly, it *should* prefer inline over gettext | 13:56 |
| vuntz | pitti: panel doesn't use gnome-desktop to read desktop files anymore | 13:59 |
| pitti | vuntz: on that matter, it was already deprecated years ago; does anything still use it, btw? | 14:03 |
| pitti | (since we, and you, are still carrying a patch for gettext support) | 14:03 |
| * pitti throws out the gnome-desktop patch, just to be sure | 14:03 | |
| crevette | hey andreasn | 14:06 |
| andreasn | hi crevette | 14:06 |
| pitti | vuntz: just to make 100% sure: with a valid X-GNOME-Gettext-Domain, and Name[de]=InlineTranslation, and gettext(Name) == "GettextTranslation", gnome-panel should show "InlineTranslation", right? | 14:09 |
| pitti | vuntz: I ported your patch, and it shows GettextTranslation | 14:09 |
| vuntz | pitti: I think some people still use gnome-desktop since they didn't port to gkeyfile | 14:11 |
| vuntz | pitti: it should | 14:11 |
| vuntz | let me try it here | 14:11 |
| pitti | but looking at the code, the fallback should be correct | 14:12 |
| * pitti scratches his head | 14:12 | |
| vuntz | pitti: err. Doesn't work anymore? | 14:14 |
| vuntz | grml | 14:14 |
| pitti | vuntz: not for you either? | 14:15 |
| pitti | vuntz: ok, then I'm not on crack | 14:15 |
| pitti | vuntz: I'll have a look at this | 14:15 |
| vuntz | let me finish the two other things I started, and I'll look at this | 14:15 |
| kwwii | seb128: I noticed that in the login-window settings dialog I can set a gtkrc for gdm to use, but it seems to not respect it (or sometimes even start) if I set the path of that to the gtk-2.0/gtkrc file included in the theme package...can we sit down in Berlin and have a look at that? | 14:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: not replying since vuntz did before | 14:16 |
| seb128 | kwwii: no clue about that we can have a look next week though | 14:16 |
| seb128 | brb | 14:16 |
| kwwii | seb128: it seems to be a really funky bug of some kind...we've been shipping that gtkrc since I started and apparently it never worked :p | 14:17 |
| pitti | vuntz: theory: it might try de_DE first, not find that in the .desktop file, look it up in gettext, find it, and not come to the next language[i] any more, which might be [de] (which is in the .desktop file) | 14:17 |
| seb128 | it did, we tested it when doing the change | 14:17 |
| seb128 | vuntz: don't forget to fix gnome-session too ;-) | 14:17 |
| seb128 | brb | 14:17 |
| pitti | vuntz: IMHO it should be moved out of, and after the loop, and s/strcmp (msg_locale, languages[i]) == 0/!translated_value/ | 14:19 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: do you think it's worthing bringing up the fglrx/-ati situation at the release status meeting? | 14:26 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: my report mentions it, and I don't think we can do much about it; AMD/NVidia know about the situation | 14:27 |
| pitti | vuntz: yep, that helped, works perfectly now | 14:29 |
| pitti | FWIW, hooray for -panel's inotity; I still remember, four years ago I had to restart the panel each time... | 14:29 |
| pitti | inotify, too | 14:29 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti, i think i'm getting somewhere with bug 314263 | 14:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 314263 in gvfs "regression - URIs opened with firefox %u load as local files (file:///...)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314263 | 14:35 |
| * pitti hugs chrisccoulson | 14:35 | |
| chrisccoulson | you can't contact the gvfs daemon when you use sudo | 14:35 |
| chrisccoulson | sudo scrubs the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS from the environment | 14:36 |
| chrisccoulson | that causes glib to take a different code path, which has always happened. i think a recent change in glib just exposed the problem though | 14:36 |
| pitti | ah, maybe; since in intrepid that worked without problems | 14:37 |
| chrisccoulson | it did. currently, g_vfs_get_local returns a GDaemonVfs if the gvfs daemon is contactable, which is when it works. but when it isn't contactable, it returns a GLocalVfs, which should allow gio applications to still function without the daemons | 14:39 |
| chrisccoulson | that obviously isn't working though | 14:39 |
| chrisccoulson | that's the next bit to figure out! | 14:40 |
| chrisccoulson | **i meant g_vfs_get_default | 14:41 |
| chrisccoulson | d'oh | 14:41 |
| pitti | vuntz: patch sent upstream, you are in CC | 14:52 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: you attend the release meeting, right? | 14:57 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: right, I do, /joining now | 14:57 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 14:57 |
| rickspencer3 | I wasn't sure. I didn't see you on the invite, but it sounded like you planned to attend | 14:57 |
| pitti | I usually do | 14:58 |
| rickspencer3 | great | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | i think i understand that bug completely now pitti. i'm going to try and write a patch for it and send it upstream | 15:14 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: you are awesome | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | **blushes** | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | i havent written it yet;) | 15:14 |
| pitti | well, debugging the reason is great on its own | 15:15 |
| chrisccoulson | it all makes sense now i think | 15:15 |
| davmor2 | Guys quick query I'm writing a testcase but want to know what the app is called. It is the app which triggers the dialogue when ever you put in a music player/cd/dvd/camera etc into the machine | 15:34 |
| pitti | davmor2: that's nautilus | 15:34 |
| pitti | triggered through gvfs | 15:34 |
| vuntz | pitti: thanks, you're awesome! | 15:34 |
| davmor2 | pitti: thanks I thought it would be something like that but figured I'd best be sure :) | 15:35 |
| pitti | vuntz: as discussed, I removed the fallback domain for now, and fixed the fallback bug, to make the patch smaller and upstream-palatable | 15:35 |
| pitti | vuntz: if you want to take it, you need http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/02_gettext-desktopfiles-ubuntu.patch with s/Ubuntu/SUSE/ | 15:37 |
| * pitti uploads that glib and fixed build system rules | 15:37 | |
| pitti | vuntz: btw, I'm using this in our build rules: | 15:37 |
| pitti | sed -ri '/^(Name|GenericName|Comment)\[/d' $$d; \ | 15:37 |
| pitti | echo "X-GNOME-Gettext-Domain=$$DOMAIN" >> $$d; \ | 15:37 |
| pitti | with $d iterating over find debian/$(cdbs_curpkg) -type f \( -name "*.desktop" -o -name "*.directory" | 15:38 |
| vuntz | sounds like what we do :-) | 15:39 |
| pitti | great | 15:40 |
| pitti | . o O { good to have a bug fix cycle like jaunty to clean up such old mess) | 15:40 |
| pitti | vuntz: btw, did you patch pyxdg for that, too? | 15:48 |
| vuntz | pitti: no | 15:54 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - that patch is working ok. i've made a debdiff if you want to sponsor it | 15:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: can you please attach it to the bug and subscribe "pitti" (should already be, though) | 15:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'll sponsor it the | 15:59 |
| chrisccoulson | it's attached to the bug now, and you're already subscribed:) | 15:59 |
| pitti | I should get mail soon then | 16:00 |
| chrisccoulson | cool. thanks | 16:00 |
| pitti | thanks to you! | 16:00 |
| chrisccoulson | you're welcome | 16:01 |
| fta2 | pitti, why did you drop the file association in calibre? lrf, lit, ... | 16:03 |
| fta2 | +s | 16:03 |
| pitti | 'drop'? | 16:03 |
| pitti | I didn't drop them deliberately | 16:03 |
| fta2 | i see you removed the linux integration code, it was part of this. you re-added the desktop files, but not the mime files | 16:04 |
| pitti | fta2: ah, you mean it has never been there in the first place? | 16:05 |
| pitti | I thought you meant "recently", as in "in the last upload" | 16:05 |
| fta2 | no | 16:06 |
| pitti | fta2: can you please file a bug about it and assign it to me? ("pitti") | 16:06 |
| fta2 | there's also a typo in the control file | 16:06 |
| fta2 | i fixed that locally but i wasn't sure about your intentions for the mime types | 16:07 |
| pitti | fta2: mime assocations should be there, of course | 16:07 |
| pitti | I just need to hammer a lot on this post_install stuff that upstream provides | 16:07 |
| pitti | to make it work at build time | 16:07 |
| pitti | so there are certainly still smaller bugs in it | 16:07 |
| fta2 | last time i tried, calibre was not able to detect my PRS 700 | 16:08 |
| vuntz | pitti: which tarballs are you looking at (re intltool stuff)? | 16:10 |
| vuntz | pitti: my gnome-panel tarball doesn't have all this, eg | 16:11 |
| pitti | vuntz: hm, nautilus was one, IIRC | 16:11 |
| vuntz | indeed | 16:11 |
| pitti | but good to know that they will disappear at all | 16:11 |
| pitti | that'll make such things so much easier | 16:11 |
| pitti | fta2: I see three PRS700 vendor/product IDs in /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/15osvendor/10-calibre.fdi; is your's amongst those? | 16:12 |
| pitti | fta2: erm, in fact, that's just one ID (the other looks like the same in decimal) | 16:13 |
| fta2 | pitti: I can't test right now, i had to send my reader back to sony, broken | 16:14 |
| fta2 | software bug of some kind | 16:14 |
| fta2 | it froze, and now it is no longer able to complete the boot sequence. too bad. | 16:14 |
| pitti | ugh | 16:15 |
| pitti | fta2: poor you | 16:15 |
| pitti | fta2: I got it on January 5, and I won't give it away any more. ever. | 16:15 |
| pitti | I just love this thing | 16:15 |
| pitti | (I have a 505) | 16:15 |
| fta2 | I like mine too, but a 705 would be nice if they can make it as readable as the 505 | 16:19 |
| fta2 | the touchscreen in the 700 is very nice, but it makes the device harder to read in under some light conditions (too much reflections) | 16:21 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: hm, which bug was that? I didn't get mail about the patch | 16:22 |
| chrisccoulson | bug 314263 | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 314263 in glib2.0 "regression - URIs opened with firefox %u load as local files (file:///...)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314263 | 16:22 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: thanks, will upload; do you want to put this into the upstream bug, or shall I? | 16:28 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm just doing that now | 16:28 |
| chrisccoulson | thats on the upstream bug now | 16:30 |
| pitti | rock | 16:30 |
| vuntz | pitti: I think people would love to see time measurement for the gettext file. Ie, what's the impact if you have to build, say, the applications menu | 16:47 |
| pitti | vuntz: just replied to Matthias' mail, with a pointer to the benchmarks | 16:55 |
| pitti | vuntz: I was actually quite surprised to see that it just disappears in the noise | 16:56 |
| pitti | I had expected it to have at least a two-second penalty | 16:56 |
| pitti | but it seems that gettext()'s mmap lookup is pretty darn fast :) | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: tseliot: ping | 17:21 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: hey | 17:21 |
| rickspencer3 | if bryce is here, I thought we might briefly discuss your "hold for several seconds" offer | 17:21 |
| tseliot | ok | 17:22 |
| rickspencer3 | tseliot: you are a total rock start | 17:22 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll be back soon | 17:22 |
| maxb | tseliot: Hi, I had cause to reopen the tasks in bug 307306, which I did by just setting them back to the status they had before they were changed to "Fix Released", but that status was "In Progress" - I'm not sure whether that's an accurate statement any longer. Could you check whether you still want to be shown as the assignee of them? | 17:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 307306 in gnome-power-manager "upgrade to 2:1.2.99.2-0ubuntu1 makes session utterly slow" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307306 | 17:42 |
| tseliot | maxb: let me check | 17:43 |
| maxb | thanks | 17:43 |
| tseliot | maxb: they have yet to accept the patch in comment 10 in the gnome bugzilla. The authors are still discussing this | 17:47 |
| tseliot | maxb: let's keep things as they are | 17:47 |
| maxb | ok | 17:47 |
| maxb | Did you see my comment on g-p-m still having problems even with all the patches? | 17:48 |
| tseliot | maxb:did you apply also the 2 patches which upstream hasn't adopted yet? | 17:54 |
| tseliot | did | 17:55 |
| maxb | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=126753&action=view and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=126770&action=view ? | 17:56 |
| tseliot | maxb: I meant the ones for the gnome-settings-daemon i.e. for gnome-desktop | 17:58 |
| bryce | rickspencer3: yep I'm around | 17:58 |
| tseliot | maxb: this one: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=126905&action=view | 17:59 |
| maxb | Yes - (as per my comment 33 in the LP bug) | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | so, should we talk about tseliot's latest proposal related to control-alt-delete? | 18:00 |
| maxb | (and my last comment in the LP bug too) | 18:00 |
| tseliot | maxb: let's discuss this in the bug report | 18:01 |
| maxb | Sure - I just wanted to check you'd seen that additional issue (and didn't want me to make an entirely separate bug about it) | 18:03 |
| tseliot | bryce: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/gnome-control-center/randr-virtual/+merge/3208/comments/7142 | 18:03 |
| bryce | rickspencer3, tseliot: could we just take the opensuse patch? It's already been thoroughly tested | 18:04 |
| mvo | I'm in favour of this solution (press it two times or 5s, I don't care personally which one is used) | 18:05 |
| rickspencer3 | I am concerned that we are deviating from our decsion at UDS | 18:05 |
| rickspencer3 | what changed? | 18:05 |
| tseliot | bryce: I have the patch here and the patch can also be modified (if Mark agrees) | 18:06 |
| rickspencer3 | are we only considering this patch because we don't know if we'll get the xorg.conf editor ready for Jaunty/universe? | 18:07 |
| bryce | rickspencer3: my opinion is 1) we should not put in a patch, just let the shortcut die. 2) if we must put in a patch to retain the shortcut, then go with the (already tested) opensuse patch. | 18:09 |
| tseliot | I'm simply open to this because other developers suggested this change. The xorg-options-editor will be available in universe only | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | tseliot: understood | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | I should point out how much I appreciate your efforts here. | 18:10 |
| rickspencer3 | Your pursuit of quality related to x has been very impressive and appreciated! | 18:10 |
| tseliot | :-) | 18:10 |
| rickspencer3 | May I propose that we let it die for the alpha next week, and see what kind of feedback/response we get? | 18:11 |
| rickspencer3 | that would include not having the GUI selector for Ubuntu as well | 18:11 |
| rickspencer3 | mvo: thoughts? | 18:11 |
| tseliot | it's not a bad idea | 18:11 |
| bryce | I'm on board with that | 18:12 |
| mvo | I'm ok with that, as long as we do not disable magic sysreq :) | 18:12 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: we'll still look at tseliot's editor next week though, right? | 18:12 |
| bryce | yep | 18:12 |
| tseliot | ok | 18:12 |
| mvo | (I always thought that ctrl-alt-backspace does more than alt-sysreq-k - but I never checked that) | 18:13 |
| bryce | mvo, other way around | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | this means that we are just going to use the upstream x behavior, right? No delta to maintain? | 18:13 |
| tseliot | yep | 18:13 |
| bryce | correct | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | has OpenSuse approached upstream with their patch? | 18:13 |
| bryce | yes | 18:14 |
| * mvo needs to leave for dinner | 18:15 | |
| bryce | rickspencer3: that was actually what sparked off the whole thread which resulted in the key getting disabled | 18:15 |
| * tseliot needs to leave for dinner too | 18:15 | |
| rickspencer3 | bye mvo and tseliot: thanks | 18:15 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: so around and around we go | 18:15 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 18:15 |
| bryce | yep | 18:15 |
| bryce | in fact it's a bit more circular | 18:15 |
| rickspencer3 | so the plan now is not to change the plan of record :) | 18:16 |
| bryce | this really got started in the ctrl-alt-backspace spec, as one person was advocating the opensuse patch over our design approach (hold for 5 sec) | 18:16 |
| bryce | I think I said something about that it'd be so much easier if this was upstream | 18:17 |
| bryce | anyway, the guy then went directly to upstream to lobby them to take the opensuse patch | 18:17 |
| bryce | rickspencer3: I can try to update the merge request | 18:18 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: I'm not sure which request you are referring to. The upstream one to take the OpenSuse patch? | 18:19 |
| bryce | rickspencer3: no, alberto's merge request #3208 | 18:20 |
| rickspencer3 | yes | 18:22 |
| rickspencer3 | we shouldn't make any changes until we see if we get feedback after the alpha | 18:22 |
| rickspencer3 | if we do need to change, we have several low risk ways of doing so, depending on what problems are reported | 18:23 |
| calc | bryce: well it would be nice if it was done upstream so it would work the same across all Xorg installs :) | 18:29 |
| bryce | calc: true true | 18:32 |
| bryce | calc: I think upstream has made their final decision on this though. | 18:32 |
| calc | bryce: so upstream disabled it entirely? and then all linux dists are finding ways to make it work again? sounds like upstream didn't really think that through | 18:41 |
| bryce | calc: no they didn't disable it, they just switched the default to off | 18:41 |
| calc | bryce: ah ok | 18:42 |
| seb128 | pitti: dude, be less quick to upload patches, the glib one is wrong, cf upstream bug | 18:56 |
| pitti | seb128: right, I saw, but at least it works; I'm following the upstream bug | 18:56 |
| seb128 | hum ok | 18:56 |
| seb128 | I usually wait on upstream comments a few days before uploading changew when there is no hurry | 18:56 |
| seb128 | especially for libraries | 18:57 |
| seb128 | every has his own approch to changes ;-) | 18:57 |
| seb128 | good work on the gettext thing btw | 18:57 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 18:57 | |
| pitti | seb128: right, I just got lots of complaints about people not being able to send crash reports | 18:58 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 back | 18:58 | |
| seb128 | pitti: I would call that a feature and not a bug ;-) | 18:58 |
| pitti | seb128: it's good to have some time to clean up those old patches | 18:58 |
| pitti | although I am now currently arguing with upstream, but that's ok | 18:58 |
| pitti | seb128: hehe | 18:58 |
| pitti | <jedi wave>there are no crashes! | 18:58 |
| seb128 | I enjoy this period of the cycle where we have time to catch up with bugs reports which stacked | 19:02 |
| seb128 | mvo: bug #323306 bug #323309 are the same issue that the other one? | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 323306 in rhythmbox "Software updating issue occured after a set up updates this week. Fixed by going to 'fix broken dependencies' in Synaptic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323306 | 19:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 323309 in gtk+2.0 "package libgtk2.0-bin 2.14.4-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: package libgtk2.0-bin is not ready for configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323309 | 19:13 |
| mvo | seb128: it looks like it, yes | 19:30 |
| pochu | mpt: filled bug upstream for the Vino notification area preferences we discussed the other day | 19:43 |
| pochu | mpt: GNOME #569888, in case you're interested | 19:43 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 569888 in Preferences Dialog "Merge notification area preference into a checkbox" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=569888 | 19:43 |
| mpt | pochu, thanks, commented | 19:47 |
| pochu | great, thank you | 19:48 |
| pochu | mpt: I've also reported GNOME #569886, in case you want to have a look at it | 19:52 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: timed out (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/xml.cgi?id=569886) | 19:53 |
| pochu | heh | 19:53 |
| pochu | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=569886 | 19:53 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: timed out (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/xml.cgi?id=569886) | 19:53 |
| mpt | (why did you think ubottu would do any better with that?:-) | 19:53 |
| pochu | it was for you :-) | 19:54 |
| * mpt used ubottu's URL instead :-P | 19:55 | |
| mpt | I don't see any Preferences dialog in 2.24.1 | 19:55 |
| mpt | pochu, is this new in 2.26? | 19:56 |
| pochu | mpt: System>preferences>Remote desktop | 19:56 |
| pochu | mpt: no, it's been redesigned | 19:56 |
| mpt | huh | 19:56 |
| mpt | Is that related at all to Applications > Internet > Remote Desktop Viewer? | 19:56 |
| pochu | more or less | 19:56 |
| mpt | Then why doesn't the latter provide access to the former? | 19:57 |
| pochu | they are different applications. Vino (the system preferences) is to share your desktop via VNC so that other people can connect to your computer and control it remotely | 19:57 |
| pochu | Remote Desktop Viewer (vinagre) is to connect to a remote computer via VNC | 19:58 |
| pochu | so we could say one's the server and the other the client | 19:58 |
| mpt | oh I see | 19:58 |
| mpt | one is from, the other is to | 19:58 |
| pochu | but the preferences is to provide access locally, and you usually don't want to connect to localhost | 19:58 |
| pochu | so that's why it doesn't provide access from the preferences to vinagre | 19:58 |
| pochu | yeah, that's it | 19:58 |
| mpt | fair enough | 19:58 |
| seb128 | mvo: bug #323316 seems a common one | 20:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 323316 in gtk+2.0 "package libgtk2.0-dev 2.14.4-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: package libgtk2.0-dev is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323316 | 20:07 |
| mvo | seb128: is it always triggered by the xine crash? | 20:07 |
| seb128 | mvo: it seems indeed | 20:08 |
| mvo | seb128: could you please ask the users if they can attach their /var/lib/dpkg/status file (i did it for this one)? | 20:09 |
| seb128 | mvo: ok will do | 20:09 |
| mvo | seb128: I work on a fix now | 20:09 |
| pochu | hey seb128 and mvo | 20:09 |
| mvo | seb128: that is intrepid right? that makes it doublely bad | 20:10 |
| seb128 | mvo: I don't think there is a real hurry since that's only a candidate update but should be fixed before having those moved to intrepid-updates | 20:10 |
| seb128 | hello pochu | 20:10 |
| mvo | seb128: aha, good | 20:10 |
| * mvo s blood pressure decreases a lot | 20:10 | |
| seb128 | mvo: it will not be moved to intrepid-updates this week so let's look at that during the sprint | 20:11 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, I wonder if I can reproduce it here with the xine update, than I don't need to wait for a status file | 20:12 |
| seb128 | mvo: #323316 the guy replied to your request | 21:00 |
| mvo | seb128: and I replied too :) | 21:00 |
| seb128 | mvo: ok, you are faster than me at reading emails ;-) | 21:01 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 21:01 | |
| mvo | only this time, only this time .) | 21:04 |
| mvo | seb128: I may have a fix, now I just need a way to reproduce the intrpeid failure, the fix is based on my theory how the failure happend. maybe lool knows how to reproduce | 21:26 |
| seb128 | mvo: it's specific to some locales apparently | 21:26 |
| mvo | aha | 21:27 |
| mvo | good | 21:27 |
| chrisccoulson | hi pitti - you still about? | 21:29 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson, I think he ran for the weekend | 21:31 |
| chrisccoulson | ah | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | i just scrolled through the chat history actually | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | he already knows my patch was wrong ;) | 21:32 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: thanks for the work you are doing on the desktop bugs btw ;-) | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | you're welcome | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | i havent had much time to work on it this week really | 21:33 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 - i see you packaged the new version of gdm in the ubuntu-desktop ppa for intrepid | 21:36 |
| seb128 | indeed | 21:36 |
| chrisccoulson | were you planning to do that for jaunty too? | 21:36 |
| seb128 | did you read my email to the ubuntu-desktop mailing list? | 21:36 |
| chrisccoulson | not yet | 21:37 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, i'm not subscribed to that list i don't think | 21:37 |
| chrisccoulson | that could be why;) | 21:37 |
| seb128 | basically it will go to universe this cycle | 21:39 |
| seb128 | but waiting for some feedback first to upload | 21:39 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks :) i've just subscribed to the list now | 21:40 |
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