[08:13] <twb> cjwatson: so I just tried a netinst of jaunty, and it now gives me a choice between "Enter information manually" and "GB" when picking a mirror (instead of the former and a list of hostnames).
[08:14] <twb> Assuming "GB" means "Great Britain", that's a bit confusing as I have preseeded my timezone and locale as Australian, and my keyboard as US.
[08:15] <twb> I'm assuming this is just because the change is still experimental and you haven't added the other mirrors yet, but I mention it in case nobody else has
[10:20] <lool> cjwatson: Hey, evdev isn't built in armel/versatile currently; will be fixed by the config cleanup amitk is doing, but should we push a kernel just for this change before A4?  it's needed for xorg input says ogra
[10:21] <cjwatson> fine by me, sounds reasonable to unblock graphical testing
[10:21] <cjwatson> though I'd prefer it if it were modular and went in input-modules rather than being built-in
[10:22] <cjwatson> actually, ignore that last, I see it's built-in on i86
[10:22] <cjwatson> i386
[10:26] <lool> Ok; will ask to schedule that
[11:12] <CIA-3> installation-guide: cjwatson * r444 ubuntu/ (134 files in 60 dirs): merge from Debian 20081208
[11:19] <CIA-3> installation-guide: cjwatson * r445 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml):
[11:19] <CIA-3> installation-guide: Replace documentation on preseeding user-setup's encrypted private
[11:19] <CIA-3> installation-guide: directory facility with documentation on preseeding its new home
[11:19] <CIA-3> installation-guide: directory encryption facility.
[12:57] <CarlFK> cjwatson: alt installer is trying to shut down.  it is looping doing a dhcp requests every second, and erroring: Jan 30 12:50:16 dhclient: dhclient.c(2138): null pointer
[12:57] <CarlFK>  
[12:57] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Jan30/c/dell800/log/syslog  7mb
[13:09] <CarlFK> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/323158
[13:23] <cjwatson> CarlFK: if you file bugs against debian-installer when something goes wrong with the alternate installer, rather than leaving the package field empty, then I'll see them in e-mail and you won't have to poke me on IRC
[13:24] <cjwatson> CarlFK: please attach logs to the bug rather than putting them in a temporary directory somewhere where they might get deleted later
[13:24] <cjwatson> ah, you did
[13:24] <CarlFK> im learning :)
[13:25] <cjwatson> I can't always drop everything every time somebody asks me something on IRC :)
[13:25] <CarlFK> now if I can remember  "debian-installer"
[13:28] <CarlFK> the ping is mainly to see if you want anything before I reboot the box.  which I have kinda taken care of by the 'everything.tar' upload
[13:30] <cjwatson> no, thanks
[13:30] <cjwatson> reassigned to dhcp3 - I know nothing about the insides of dhclient myself
[13:31] <CarlFK> your debian-installer request is now in my pda's faq entry.  which I often forget what I have put in there....
[13:43] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+filebug if you want a bookmarkable link
[14:09] <CarlFK> good idea.
[18:55] <CIA-3> console-setup: cjwatson * r90 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog config.proto):
[18:55] <CIA-3> console-setup: * Backport from trunk:
[18:55] <CIA-3> console-setup:  - Sort the null variant to the top of the choices list rather than to the
[18:55] <CIA-3> console-setup:  bottom.
[20:21] <redmage123> Hello all,.
[20:26] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r123 ubuntu/ (choose_partition/partition_tree/do_option debian/changelog):
[20:26] <CIA-3> partman-base: Fix disabling of backup while displaying device/partition locked errors
[20:26] <CIA-3> partman-base: to avoid clobbering the align capability.
[20:53] <redmage123> Can anyone tell me if there's a way to debug the client installer program when doing a network installation?
[20:54] <CarlFK> redmage123: "yes" :)
[20:54] <CarlFK> what level of debug?
[20:54] <CarlFK> gdb debug?
[20:55] <redmage123> Well, here's my issue.  I've setup a PXEboot/preseed network installation, but the installation bombs out when the client tries to access files in the mirror, which is also on the same server as the pxelinux config.  I can't figure out why it's bombing.  Is there an option that can be set in either the pxelinux.cfg/default or the preseed.cfg that will actually allow me to see what's really happening?
[20:57] <redmage123> More specifically, I want to see what the client is actually trying to do as I don't really trust the rather generic error message I get.
[20:58] <CarlFK> did you hit alt-f4?
[21:00] <CarlFK> what are you running on the server to serve the .deb's? (guessing apache)
[21:01] <CarlFK> whatever it is, it probably has log files where you can see what the request is that is erroring.
[21:05] <redmage123> CarlFK:  The problem isn''t with the web server (I've also tried using FTP).  I actually logged the network traffic with tcpdump.
[21:06] <redmage123> Basically, the client retrieves /ubuntu/dists/hardy/Release and /ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/i386-binary/Release but then bombs out saying that it can't download some files it needs from the mirror.
[21:07] <redmage123> The problem is that the tcpdump doesn't show it trying to retrieve anything else, so I'm at a loss as to how to proceed in debugging this.
[21:11] <redmage123> Will typing alt-F4 on the client get me a console?
[21:11] <CarlFK> console is alt-f2 and 3
[21:11] <CarlFK> did you hit alt-f4? "no" hit it. :)
[21:12] <CarlFK> have you got it working with a normal archive.ubuntu.com mirror?
[21:13] <redmage123> CarlFK, I haven't tried with a normal archive ubuntu mirror yet.  Basically I had an extremely simple setup.  One laptop running Intrepid as the server and one laptop client doing a pxeboot.  Connected to each other by a crossover patch cable.
[21:14] <redmage123> I tried setting up both a web server (Apache 2.2) and anonymous ftp.  The client failed at the exact same spot.
[21:14] <CarlFK> what are you using to populate the mirror?
[21:15] <redmage123> I downloaded the hardy heron iso and did a loopback mount.
[21:15] <CarlFK> and you might want to skip that step and install apt-proxy
[21:16] <redmage123> I've also tried with a download of intrepid ibex, same problem.
[21:16] <redmage123> So, I just haven't found the common thread yet.
[21:16] <CarlFK> where are you getting the kernel/initrd files from?
[21:16] <redmage123> netboot.tar.gz, If I recall.  (I'm at home, not at work).
[21:16] <CarlFK> so not from the .iso?
[21:17] <redmage123> I downloaded both the HH and the II netboot.tar.gz off of the net.
[21:17] <redmage123> Could that be a problem?  Some sort of file mismatch?
[21:17] <CarlFK> yep
[21:17] <redmage123> Well, I made sure that the HH netboot was used with the HH dist. and vice versa with II.
[21:17] <CarlFK> it's been about a year since I did it tis way, but look on the iso
[21:18] <redmage123> CarlFK.  I'll do that.  Thanks.
[21:18] <CarlFK> now I just wget linux/initrd and run apt-proxy
[21:18] <redmage123> the place I'm working is using proxy servers that block apt-get.
[21:18] <redmage123> that's why I was setting up a local mirror.
[21:18] <CarlFK> oh great
[21:19] <redmage123> No kidding.  A serious pain in the butt.
[21:19] <CarlFK>         append initrd=ubuntu/jaunty/initrd.gz root=/dev/rd/0 rw locale=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=us netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/get_hostname= DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 url=http://shaz/ubuntu/jaunty/preseed.cfg tasksel:tasksel/first="ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-desktop" --
[21:19] <CarlFK> DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 may help you
[21:20] <redmage123> CarlFK:  Do you have a fully qualified domainname for the shaz host?
[21:20] <CarlFK> nope - it's a local box
[21:20] <redmage123> How do I connect to it then?
[21:21] <redmage123> oh.  Sorry.  I just read the posting more fully...
[21:21] <CarlFK> um, you don't :)
[21:21] <redmage123> I thought you were sending me a link to a preseed.cfg file.
[21:21] <CarlFK> you want that too?
[21:22] <redmage123> I think I'm okay.  I just didn't know about the DE
[21:22] <redmage123> BCONF_DEBUG flag.
[21:22] <redmage123> thanks for the tip.
[21:22] <CarlFK> sure
[21:22] <CarlFK> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/323205  logs and stuff.  see README         (117.1 KiB,         application/x-tar)
[21:23] <CarlFK> you might want to see what's in that .tgz
[21:23] <redmage123> Funny.  Being the first time I've done this, I expected serious difficulties setting up my pxe boot config but that went fairly smoothly.
[21:23] <redmage123> The stuff i thought would be easy, the mirror downloads, turns out to be what's causing me the most difficulty.
[21:27] <cjwatson> CarlFK: for the record that tasksel/first isn't strictly correct - ubuntu-standard is installed by default, and in any case the task name is just standard; tasksel:tasksel/first=ubuntu-desktop would be sufficient, or just tasks=ubuntu-desktop
[21:27] <cjwatson> redmage123: what exactly was the error, word for word?
[21:28] <cjwatson> oh, you're not at work now. would probably need that
[21:28] <cjwatson> is it by any chance:
[21:29] <cjwatson> _Description: Bad archive mirror
[21:29] <cjwatson>  The specified Ubuntu archive mirror is either not available, or does not
[21:29] <cjwatson>  have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror.
[21:30] <redmage123> cjwatson:  Unfortunately, I'm not at work, so I can't give you an exact error.  It was something like the installer couldn't download a file from the mirror.
[21:30] <redmage123> But I think that the error is misleading,
[21:31] <redmage123> I'm going try and insert the DEBCONF_DEBUG flag into the default file on Monday and see if I can also get a console to tell me what's happening.
[21:31] <redmage123> It's 10:30 p.m. where I am, so work is over for the day. :-)
[21:32] <cjwatson> if you can get the exact error message, or better the debug log, then we can very likely help you out
[21:33] <redmage123> Thanks cjwatson.  I really appreciate that.  This is why I only work with technologies like GNU/Linux, etc.
[21:33] <redmage123> Awesome technical support. :-)
[21:34] <CarlFK> cjwatson: I always wondered about that
[21:35] <cjwatson> well, technical support for things that might be bugs => fewer bugs ;-)
[21:36] <redmage123> The company who's offices I'm using (I don't work for them, I'm just using their facilities) is a Microsoft Certified Reseller so I always feel like I'm in the enemy's stronghold.  :-)
[21:36] <CarlFK> huh... example-preseed.txt now has:  tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, ubuntu-desktop
[21:36] <cjwatson> redmage123: I'll be on your timezone next week (normally an hour west), but at a hackathon for the duration so may take a while to respond
[21:37] <redmage123> thanks cjwatson.  If i haven't solved the problem, i'll definitely be back on on Monday.
[21:37] <redmage123> See you all later.
[21:37] <cjwatson> CarlFK: heh, so it does. it's not *wrong* as such and the example of how to specify multiple tasks is useful
[21:38] <CarlFK> that was one of the things I didn't think worth bugging you about :)
[21:38] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r124 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 128ubuntu5
[21:38] <CarlFK> what does ubuntu-server use?
[21:39] <cjwatson> standard by default but presents the task menu
[21:39] <cjwatson> committing a doc improvement now
[21:40] <CIA-3> installation-guide: cjwatson * r446 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml):
[21:40] <CIA-3> installation-guide: Improve examples of tasksel/first preseeding to avoid mentioning
[21:40] <CIA-3> installation-guide: standard, which is installed by default.