[00:26] <forces> saluton
[00:53] <Wips> I just installed Xubuntu, but all colors are kind of fucked up. I was thinking maybe I just need to reinstall a vga driver. How do I fix this?
[00:54] <excalibas> hello, I have a dvd on my drive but it doesnt show in thunar, how can i see what is inside?
[00:54] <forces> Wips, just edit you xorg.conf
[00:54] <forces> !xorg
[00:55] <forces> excalibas, you can mount it manual
[00:55] <forces> sudo mount /dev/xxx /something
[00:56] <excalibas> forces, how can i find the name? i think is scd0
[00:57] <Wips> forces: Well, thank you. But how and what do I edit?
[00:58] <forces> Wips, read the wiki, ubottu say it
[01:00]  * forces is using lxde in him acer aspire one
[01:00] <forces> :P
[01:05] <Wips> forces, I feel like i kind of fail at this xconf thing.. the page doesnt give me anything.. It's only about resolutions but I can't see anything about drivers or whatever I need
[01:06] <forces> hmm
[02:19] <decius> !mount
[02:19] <Wips> !nvidia
[02:19] <decius> !ntfs
[02:20] <decius> !NTFS-3g
[02:20] <decius> lol, If i have troubles doing this, I might need your guys's help =X
[02:29] <Wips> I'm having a really hard time trying to install a nvidia-driver on my laptop, why is that so damn hard? What is it I have to do?
[02:50] <andy__> Hallo
[02:51] <ball> hello andy__
[02:51] <andy__> I'm burning Xubuntu 8.10 alternate install i386 to CD to install on a 1/2 GHZ PIII w/256 MiB RAM & 20 GB HD.....         ^_^
[02:52] <andy__> 5 seconds.....
[02:52] <andy__> 4
[02:52] <andy__> 3
[02:52] <andy__> 2
[02:52] <andy__> 1
[02:52] <andy__> COASTER!
[02:52] <andy__> lol j/k
[02:52] <ball> Xubuntu seems to like Pentium III boxen, though yours could benefit from 100% more RAM
[02:53] <andy__> lol I know!  Wasn't quite able to install Linux Mint 6 on it -- it belongs to a friend.
[02:54] <ball> I should order more RAM for my Pentium III
[02:54] <ball> ...probably.
[02:54] <andy__> I have a PIII 566mhz 512mb RAM downstairs (this dual-core Opteron @2.5 o.c. w/8gb)
[02:54] <andy__> RAM is way cheap right now, ball; $10/GB for PC100 IIRC
[02:56] <andy__> Nice; idk xubuntu has html manual on cd
[02:56] <ball> I lost my job though, so computer spending is way down on the list.
[02:57] <andy__> lol I unemployed 2!!!!!11!1!111!!11! shitty economy worst layoffs since great depression
[02:57] <Wips> sigh, how hard can it be to get a nvidia driver for my xubuntu 8.10 :( seems like nothing works
[02:57] <ball> andy__: where are you?
[02:58] <ball> Wips: I installed on an nVidia machine yesterday.
[02:58] <andy__> CT, 90 minutes from NYC
[02:59] <Wips> ball: Well...
[03:01] <ball> anddy__ Looks like US$ 30 for 256M of PC100 ECC
[03:02] <andy__> O,.o!
[03:03] <andy__> well nvm; go look on the side of the road in a lower-income neighborhood for somebody's old computer on the curb for the garbagemen (often during an eviction or permanently quitting irl)
[03:03] <ball> So US$ 90 would get me 768M
[03:03] <andy__> Yeah, or $390 could get you a brand new system with 4GB.
[03:03]  * ball nods
[03:03] <ball> ...and probably a spare core and lower power consumption.
[03:04] <andy__> Ah, the future; it's getting here every day!
[03:04] <ball> No way I can come up with US$ 390
[03:04] <andy__> Leik I said, just gut an old throwaway computer on the side of the road or in a dumpster.  You live near a city or heavily housed neighborhood?
[03:05] <ball> andy__: sort of.
[03:05] <andy__> Colleges ftw -- graduating students moving out i nthe spring will practically give their old hardware away (if you help them move) or you can buy it for little.
[03:07]  * ball nods
[03:08] <ball> I should wait.  Once I find work I can save up for a mainboard + RAM, or perhaps even something with the CPU soldered.
[03:09] <andy__> Find work?  Make work!  Read about this guy who founded plentyoffish.com?  It's a FREE dating site that's passed Alexa and True in membership iirc, and has no employees, yet he gets million dollar checks from google adsense.
[03:09] <andy__> http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/
[03:10] <andy__> What are minimal system requirements for Xubuntu Alternate Install?
[03:12] <ball> andy__: Google Adsense works then
[03:12] <ball> ?
[03:12] <ball> andy__: probably the machine that's in front of you.
[03:13] <andy__> lol was browsing.
[03:13] <andy__> #nod
[03:14] <andy__> #howdoemote?
[03:14]  * ball suggests /me
[03:14]  * andy__ lol
[03:14] <andy__> Hmm....they're making a live action Cowboy Beebop movie, staring.....Keeanu Reeves.
[03:16] <ball> hello dsmith_
[03:16] <dsmith_> hi
[03:21] <DaemonXP> RAM is like $8 a gig
[03:21] <DaemonXP> are you serious?
[03:21] <DaemonXP> :P
[03:21] <ball> DaemonXP: who?
[03:21] <ball> hello The-Kernel
[03:22] <The-Kernel> hello ball
[03:57] <DaemonXP> sorry
[03:57] <DaemonXP> just got out of the shower
[03:57] <DaemonXP> that was for you ball
[03:59] <ball> DaemonXP: I should probably keep the US$ 90 and put it towards a new mainboard.
[04:01] <andy__> newegg ftw!
[04:08] <ball> andy__: Not sure whether to buy a board for one of the chips I have now, or buy a new board and a new chip.
[04:11] <ravious> anyone have any exp in the manual config of xorg.conf on the new xubuntu 8.10?
[04:12] <ravious> i need to set the video driver manually, but for some reason the xorg.conf file seems to have nothing in it
[04:54] <RediXe> How do I keep the network manager from over writting my resolv.conf ?
[04:56] <RediXe> Also, is there a way to run a script when the network is becomes available?
[05:27] <aaroninfidel> where is the menu config located for xubuntu?
[05:30] <aaroninfidel> anyone?
[05:45] <aaroninfidel> I had wine installed, then I removed it but some of the applications I installed are still in the "Other" tab in my menu.... anyone know how I can remove these?
[07:55] <O__o> hello anyone here?
[08:02] <gabkdlly> O__o: hi
[08:03] <O__o> hi
[08:03] <O__o> do u know how to setup vnc server in xubuntu?
[08:03] <gabkdlly> nope
[08:06] <owen1> i want to burn a file onto a dvd. i insert empty dvd. where is it located?
[08:06] <owen1> (not using xfce, but terminal)
[08:08] <gabkdlly> owen1: probably at /dev/dvd or /dev/dvdrw or /dev/dvdrw1 or so
[08:08] <gabkdlly> but that is probably not what you meant
[08:09] <gabkdlly> to burn using the terminal, I think wodim comes shipped with Xubuntu
[08:09] <gabkdlly> O__o: you were here asking about that already yesterday, yes?
[08:09] <owen1> gabkdlly: i see /dev/dvd but it's not a folder
[08:09] <O__o> yes i did
[08:09] <O__o> but i still cant get it to work
[08:09] <gabkdlly> owen1: yes, it is not a regular file, nor a regular folder
[08:10] <gabkdlly> O__o: did you try the wiki, forums, and so on?
[08:10] <O__o> i try many things
[08:10] <O__o> sometimes i goto forum i only understand half the steps
[08:11] <O__o> then when i stuck i sont know what to do
[08:11] <O__o> is there a simple way that always work?
[08:11] <owen1> gabkdlly: cdrecord -v speed=24 dev=/dev/dvd test.avi  but i get : wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.scsidev: '/dev/dvd'
[08:12] <O__o> sometimes the forum gives me the command to run but i dont know i should run it in the server or client?
[08:13] <O__o> and i try everything i could
[08:13] <owen1> gabkdlly: i added sudo, and now i get: wodim: No disk / Wrong disk!
[08:13] <O__o> if there is any user here using ssh+vnc please give me a hint here
[08:13] <gabkdlly> owen1: I am guessing you only have 1 dvd drive, and it is writable
[08:14] <owen1> gabkdlly: DVD Writer 300n
[08:14] <gabkdlly> owen1: doesn't wodim by default expect that you give it an iso file?
[08:14] <owen1> gabkdlly: no idea.
[08:15] <gabkdlly> owen1: check the man page
[08:15] <owen1> gabkdlly: i just want a data dvd
[08:15] <owen1> gabkdlly: no need for iso
[08:15] <gabkdlly> owen1: but if you want just one file, I think it is going to be tricky
[08:15] <gabkdlly> owen1: using Brasero or K3b would be much easier, I think
[08:16] <owen1> gabkdlly: i get error when trying to install brasero
[08:16] <owen1> gabkdlly: i'll try again.
[08:17] <gabkdlly> O__o: someone already pointed you to the VNC help topic on ubuntu.com?
[08:17] <owen1> gabkdlly: i am trying to stay away from gui apps, that's why my first option will be to find text-based apps.
[08:17] <O__o> i follow the steps there and dont work
[08:17] <O__o> maybe i am missing something
[08:24] <gabkdlly> O__o: once you have read all the documentation you can, and have made yourself as smart about the process as you feel you can on your own, try asking the experts at #vnc , and remember that you have to be patient with irc, people are often doing other things
[08:25] <O__o> i am patient i am wating some expert jumps on here
[08:25] <O__o> maybe i didnt setup the vnc?
[08:26] <O__o> i install it but the tutorial didnt really give detail how to run the server
[08:27] <gabkdlly> O__o: I think once you have the server installed, it will auto-start
[08:27] <gabkdlly> O__o: check with: ps -ef | grep vnc
[08:27] <O__o> nothing there
[08:28] <O__o> do u knwo what i should run ?
[08:28] <gabkdlly> O__o: which server did you install?
[08:28] <O__o> do i run this in client or server? ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 user@machine ?
[08:28] <O__o> i dont know i pretty install everything in diff tutorials
[08:29] <O__o> in the server , i install x11vnc, vncserver, xtightvncviewer, vncviewer, ssh
[08:29] <O__o> openssh-server
[08:29] <O__o> all that stuffs
[08:29] <gabkdlly> O__o: I don't know, I am not the expert you are looking for, I am just trying to give helpful hints :)
[08:29] <O__o> at the end i always get coneection refused
[08:30] <gabkdlly> O__o: did you open the necessary ports?
[08:30] <O__o> in where?
[08:30] <O__o> server or client?
[08:30] <gabkdlly> O__o: on the server
[08:30] <O__o> i am within a network here
[08:30] <O__o> at home
[08:30] <O__o> i think i dont need to open any port
[08:31] <gabkdlly> O__o: is the server behind a firewall?
[08:31] <O__o> no
[08:31] <O__o> i think i dont have vnc server running in process
[08:31] <O__o> i dont know how to run the server
[08:31] <gabkdlly> O__o: what is the server running, operating system wise?
[08:31] <O__o> xubuntu
[08:31] <gabkdlly> which release?
[08:31] <O__o> none are running i guess?
[08:31] <O__o> newest
[08:32] <O__o> i installed ubuntu 8.10 in the server first
[08:32] <gabkdlly> newest xubuntu comes with a firewall
[08:32] <O__o> then installed the xubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <O__o> now running xubuntu
[08:32] <O__o> in ubuntu i can run remote desktop and i can connect to it from other computer
[08:33] <gabkdlly> huh?
[08:33] <O__o> but when the server is in xubuntu session i cant use remote desktop because there is none
[08:33] <O__o> basically i installed ubuntu and xubuntu in the server here
[08:34] <gabkdlly> you have already made a successful connection under ubuntu?  then you are probably smarter than me where vnc is concerned :)
[08:34] <O__o> in ubuntu i can run remote desktop, in xubuntu i cant get it to run
[08:34] <gabkdlly> you can log into ubuntu, and check what programs it has running with "ps -ef"
[08:37] <gabkdlly> or "ps -ef | grep vnc" to get just items containing the string "vnc"
[08:38] <O__o> dont have any
[08:39] <gabkdlly> O__o: I have to leave pretty soon
[08:39] <O__o> ic
[08:39] <O__o> i need to run x11vnc in the server?
[08:39] <gabkdlly> O__o: but you are already smarter than  me :)
[08:40] <O__o> i thought sudo apt-get install x11vnc will take care of that
[08:40] <gabkdlly> I would think so too
[08:40] <O__o> well no one explain it to me on forum
[08:40] <O__o> i am new to this so i dont know
[08:40] <O__o> now i get vnc to work
[08:40] <O__o> but how to combine it to ssh i am still googleing
[08:40] <gabkdlly> on forums, you also have to have patience, plus keep an eye out to threads that are already adressing your issue
[08:41] <gabkdlly> !vnc
[08:41] <O__o> basically the terms they use there are pretty technical for me
[08:41] <O__o> i dont understand any of those sometimes
[08:43] <gabkdlly> bye
[08:43] <O__o> thx bye
[09:35] <rocko> I am not able to play gl-117 it goes  not allow me to click on any thing but I can move the cursor it will only allow me to click yes for quit after  I type esc here is its output http://pastebin.ca/raw/1322633
[09:36] <rocko> it seems to be selecting the wrong driver for 3d acceleration
[09:36] <rocko> I have a graphics card that only gets 3d acceleration from open source drivers only
[09:37] <rocko> I would assume this is means the r300 driver ati raedon "r300_render.c"
[09:37] <rocko> which I do not use
[09:37] <rocko> I have a ati raedon express 200m graphics card
[09:37] <R1cochet> y do u have a driver for a diff grfx card
[09:38] <DaemonXP> rocko: I have a 200m, the regular radeon driver that comes with X should do fine on that
[09:39] <rocko> that is what I said DaemonXP
[09:39] <rocko> that is what I meant by the open source ones
[09:39] <rocko> what I am saying is that it looks like gl-117 is trying to use a driver
[09:39] <rocko> look at my pastebin above
[09:40] <rocko> what I am saying is that it looks like gl-117 is trying to use a *different driver
[09:40] <rocko> I did a recompile on gl-117 and that seem to not solve the problem
[09:40] <rocko> I have gone recompiles on other games and it fixed their problems
[09:40] <rocko> like with zsnes
[09:41] <rocko> after I did a recompile it did not crash any more :d
[09:41] <rocko> on start up
[09:42] <rocko> I did the both recompiles the debian way
[09:43] <rocko> with "sudo apt-get build-dep nameofpackage" then "sudo apt-get -b source nameofpackage" "sudo dpkg -i nameofpackage.deb"
[09:44] <rocko> does gl-117 work for you DaemonXP ?
[09:45] <rocko> 200m did not have 3d accel in the past if you never used it in the past it was because of ubuntu sponsoring a dev to fix the problem with a laptop that had the 200m graphics crad
[09:47] <rocko> DaemonXP what resolution is your monitor ?
[09:47] <rocko> my res is 1280X768
[09:47] <rocko> maybe that is the problem
[09:49] <caspix> hello
[09:50] <caspix> can anyone give me some links on which i can download some cool stuffs for my xfce look
[09:51] <caspix> so?
[09:51] <caspix> anyone?
[09:52] <Myrtti> xfce-look.org?
[09:52] <caspix> i've been there, but.... it's not what i'm looking for
[09:53] <caspix> thx
[09:57] <Myrtti> gnome-look.org then?
[09:57] <caspix> ok. thx
[09:57] <caspix> one more little question.... can i use emerald if i don't have compiz?
[09:57] <Myrtti> "cool stuffs" isn't that clear on what you're really asking
[09:58] <caspix> what u mean?
[09:58] <caspix> i'm not very good in english....i'm from croatia
[09:59] <caspix> so? can i use emerald if i don't have compiz?
[09:59] <rocko> I don't think it is possible caspix
[10:00] <caspix> :(
[10:00] <rocko> maybe if you use fusion-icon maybe
[10:00] <rocko> it has setting in there to change gtk to emerald
[10:00] <rocko> it does not require compiz I believe
[10:00] <caspix> ok. thx
[10:01] <rocko> I do not use that any more though
[10:01] <caspix> why?
[10:01] <rocko> because compiz and 3d desktops just use to much resources
[10:01] <rocko> i like my machine to be fast
[10:01] <caspix> yea, i know....that's why i don't use compiz
[10:01] <caspix> i know what u mean
[10:02] <caspix> but this ordinary xfce theme is starting to be boring...so i want a little bit changes
[10:02] <rocko> I am using lxde now
[10:02] <rocko> why not just change the theme
[10:02] <rocko> in settings
[10:03] <caspix> the ones who r already installed r not so good
[10:03] <rocko> you can install more
[10:03] <rocko> from xfce-look.org and gnome-look.org
[10:03] <rocko> or any other gtk them place
[10:04] <caspix> i don't use my machine now so much bcoz of school and living in students home, so i'd like it look nice when i have time to use it
[10:04] <rocko> I see
[10:04] <R1cochet> thats the first thing i do that and mouse
[10:04] <rocko> you should get portableapps
[10:04] <rocko> cursor theme
[10:05] <rocko> since it sounds like you do not have a laptop caspix
[10:05] <rocko> portableapps is nice it works in wine
[10:06] <rocko> so if you come across a linux or windows machine it should work on both platforms
[10:06] <caspix> yes, i'm working only on my laptop here in zagreb, at home i have pc...but it's fucked up...i don't know what i'll do with it...
[10:06] <rocko> providing that wine is install
[10:06] <caspix> i hate blows (windows)
[10:06] <rocko> how is it messed up
[10:06] <rocko> winblows
[10:06] <rocko> yeah windows sucks
[10:06] <caspix> ;)
[10:06] <rocko> do you use command line
[10:06] <caspix> i'll never have it on my machine anymore!
[10:07] <caspix> wich comand line?
[10:07] <rocko> I do not like windows command line it sucks too
[10:07] <rocko> you know terminal linux windows cmd
[10:07] <caspix> i don't use windblows about an year
[10:07] <rocko> I have had linux on my machine for 3 years I think
[10:08] <caspix> had? and now?
[10:08] <rocko> yes now
[10:08] <caspix> oh, ok
[10:08] <rocko> is english your first language caspix ?
[10:09] <caspix> no
[10:09] <caspix> croatian is
[10:09] <rocko> I see
[10:09] <caspix> i'm learning english 6 years in school
[10:09] <rocko> interesting
[10:10] <rocko> that makes me automatically think esperanto
[10:10] <caspix> but i dont' know esperanto....
[10:10] <caspix> omfg noone makes some army-green themes...
[10:11] <rocko> because they say that you will be at the same level of understanding of 6 years of studying a natural language with g months of studying Esperanto
[10:12] <rocko> -g *6
[10:13] <caspix> yeah i found one green theme! :)
[10:14] <caspix> do i need to have graphic card driver to use emerald themes?
[10:15] <caspix> why i can't download this theme...
[10:16] <caspix> i wish i can remember where i downloaded my green theme for my pc long time ago...
[10:17] <caspix> i can't believe this...-
[10:19] <rocko> believe what
[10:19] <rocko> caspix
[10:19] <caspix> that everyone makes blue or black themes and almost noone green ones....and when i found some green, i can't download it
[10:20] <O__o> thanks for the help i finally can ssh+vnc into my server, thanks for whoeva helps me here :)
[10:20] <O__o> http://i44.tinypic.com/rh319u.jpg :)
[10:21] <O__o> he isnt here
[10:21] <caspix> YES YES i found one i can download!
[10:22] <rocko> cool
[10:22] <caspix> where i should extract that theme?
[10:22] <caspix> it's not emerald
[10:22] <rocko> caspix from what country are you?
[10:22] <caspix> croatia
[10:22] <caspix> why?
[10:22] <rocko> just wondering
[10:22] <caspix> ;)
[10:24] <rocko> it is near some countries where one of my friends knows people from there caspix
[10:24] <rocko> via Esperanto
[10:24] <caspix> nice
[10:24] <caspix> from where r u?
[10:24] <rocko> USA
[10:25] <rocko> it is really early here right now though
[10:25] <rocko> I got up 2 am
[10:25] <rocko> it is now 4 am
[10:25] <rocko> because I went to bed really early
[10:25] <rocko> I guess
[10:25] <caspix> whou..... here is 11:25
[10:25] <rocko> you use 24 hour time caspix ?
[10:26] <rocko> I know germany goes
[10:26] <caspix> yes
[10:26] <O__o> hi guys, are you guys expert in xubuntu?
[10:26] <caspix> wow this theme is gr8!
[10:26] <rocko> :D
[10:26] <caspix> i just need to change icons and window-look
[10:26] <rocko> so that it matches
[10:26] <caspix> well, i'm not expert, but i use it a year
[10:26] <rocko> what is the link
[10:27] <caspix> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Deep+Green?content=80841
[10:27] <caspix> i think i've got this one on my pc long time ago...
[10:28] <O__o> the deep green is too windows
[10:28] <O__o> the icon pack is the same as mine
[10:28] <O__o> osx icon package
[10:28] <caspix> for me it's not too windblows
[10:28] <rocko> winblows uses a blue theme
[10:28] <O__o> it is like win vista + xp
[10:29] <rocko> not a green them
[10:29] <O__o> i mean the buttons and window bolder
[10:29] <caspix> oh fuck...theres no any green theme in window manager....
[10:29] <O__o> check out mine
[10:29] <caspix> i don't have deep green window border
[10:29] <O__o> http://i44.tinypic.com/rh319u.jpg
[10:29] <O__o> it is green
[10:30] <Myrtti> caspix: mind your language
[10:30] <caspix> that's too mac os x...
[10:30] <caspix> ?
[10:30] <caspix> what that should mean? if u translate that on my lang. it doesn't have any sence
[10:30] <Myrtti> caspix: don't swear
[10:31] <O__o> hehe
[10:31] <caspix> a?
[10:31] <O__o> is there vnc server in xubuntu?
[10:31] <rocko> I know what you mean caspix :D
[10:31] <caspix> anyway, where i can download window border?
[10:32] <O__o> download window border?
[10:32] <caspix> yes...these thing in window manager
[10:32] <caspix> i like this one: http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/80841-1.jpg
[10:32] <rocko> every language does not always have a direct translation with its words into another language caspix
[10:32] <O__o> i usually download the whole theme
[10:32] <rocko> like with cxu in Esperanto
[10:33] <rocko> so I see the problem
[10:33] <caspix> rocko: i know but i don't know all translations of your languages words...i know u have 10 meanings for one word...
[10:34] <caspix> O__o how u mean the whole theme?
[10:34] <rocko> well with some words yes
[10:34] <caspix> i download what it has to download
[10:34] <rocko> like with free it can mean to different things
[10:34] <rocko> *two
[10:34] <rocko> as far as I know it means gratis and freedom
[10:35] <caspix> yes
[10:35] <rocko> gratis is another word in the english language that means at no price
[10:35] <caspix> yea
[10:35] <rocko> that is why free software in English is confusing
[10:35] <rocko> because it is unclear of its meaning
[10:36] <rocko> it can mean ether free as in freedom or as in price
[10:36] <caspix> yea
[10:36] <rocko> in other languages like Spanish you do not have that problem
[10:36] <caspix> i know...but here there's no mistakes.... we say slobodan softver
[10:36] <rocko> because the word for free in their language does not also mean freedom
[10:37] <caspix> and it (slobodan) has only one meaning....
[10:37] <caspix> and priceless is : besplatan
[10:37] <O__o> download the theme
[10:37] <caspix> i did
[10:37] <O__o> http://gnome-look.org
[10:37] <caspix> i downloaded it
[10:38] <O__o> which one?
[10:38] <O__o> r u using ubuntu? or xubuntu?
[10:38] <caspix> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Deep+Green?content=80841
[10:38] <caspix> xubuntu
[10:38] <O__o> i think some theme apply to ubuntu only maybe?
[10:39] <O__o> like GTK2.x theme
[10:39] <caspix> but it works here, too
[10:39] <O__o> ok
[10:39] <O__o> so what is missing?
[10:39] <caspix> but only thing that i don't have these windows frames green...
[10:39] <O__o> maybe u need gnome
[10:39] <O__o> xubuntu runs xfce
[10:40] <caspix> i know
[10:40] <caspix> but everything but this works just fine....and i really like this theme
[10:40] <rocko> so caspix how are you doing?
[10:40] <O__o> which theme?  deep green?
[10:41] <caspix> i don't know.... my life is momently very in chaos and i don't know what to do....
[10:41] <caspix> yes, deep green
[10:41] <rocko> it should work with xfce and any other windows manager that uses gtk O__o
[10:41] <O__o> ok
[10:41] <O__o> i am new to ubuntu and xwindow thing
[10:42] <O__o> so i am not sure
[10:42] <rocko> fluxbox xfce gnome both use gtk
[10:42] <O__o> ok
[10:42] <caspix> could i make my own window frame?
[10:42] <rocko> it is only the window decorations you can not use O__o
[10:42] <rocko> as far as I know
[10:43] <rocko> xfce fluxbox gnome can only use its window decorations but it can use its window themes because it uses gtk
[10:44] <rocko> xfce fluxbox gnome can only use its window decorations but it can use any window themes for gtk because it uses gtk
[10:45] <caspix> so? can i make my own window themes? and how if i can?
[10:45] <O__o> i believe u can but i have no idea how
[10:47] <caspix> ok
[10:47] <rocko> I think you can use gimp to do that caspix
[10:47] <cefn_> hi all, I had a working Xubuntu after install (with a modified xorg.conf for extra resolutions). Then I updated packages and kernel to the latest stable, adding a few packages from stable (eclipse, java). On reboot I just get blue screen and no Xubuntu (except the power-off button works, and shows me the 6 options for power down to choose from with a mouse). Reverted to the xorg.conf generated by X -configure and so I think I
[10:48] <caspix> did u maybe see somewhere some carbon themes for download?
[10:49] <caspix> oh, i should go to lunch but i'm so not in mood to do that....
[10:53] <TheSheep> cefn_: your message got cut off at 'I think I'
[10:53] <TheSheep> cefn_: try explicitly choosing the 'xfce session' when you log in
[10:54] <rocko> cefn_ do control+alt+f1 then login and do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:55] <rocko> if you need to reconfigure xorg
[10:55] <cefn_> have chosen the XFCE session - that's what leads to the bluescreen. Remainder of message was 'believe I have stable version without mods, what file can I look at for failure message'. even running with no /etc/X11/xorg.conf still can't load.
[10:55] <cefn_> thanks rocko, willdo
[10:56] <rocko> it should work
[10:57] <rocko> cefn_ I you still there
[10:57] <cefn_> still a bluescreen - can I find out where it's stopping somehow?
[10:57] <rocko> ok
[10:57] <rocko> so you know how to get back to gui screen after control+alt+f1 ?
[10:57] <cefn_> I'm guessing that switching back with ctrl-altF7 is good enoug, or do I need reboot
[10:58] <rocko> no
[10:58] <rocko> do
[10:58] <rocko> control+alt+backspace
[10:58] <cefn_> oh you mean back to login screen from failed x session, yes - I'm back at login screen
[10:59] <rocko> now login and it should work
[10:59] <rocko> now
[10:59] <rocko> control+alt+backspace restarts x
[10:59] <rocko> it restarts x and it also logs you out
[11:00] <rocko> does that fix the problem cefn_
[11:01] <caspix> ok, i found what i'm looking for.... it's metacity or something like that called on gnome-look...but how will i instal that? where i should extract that green w. borders?
[11:01] <rocko> metacity is for gnome
[11:01] <rocko> that will  not work with xfce
[11:02] <rocko> how are you trying to install the themes caspix ?
[11:02] <caspix> nvm, i found a way on interet...hope it'll work
[11:03] <cefn_> dpkg-reconfigure followed by ctrl-alt-backspace followed by login back to XFCE session didn't work so I rebooted the machine after dpkg-reconfigure just to be sure I didn't miss a reloading step
[11:04] <cefn_> still blue screen for XFCE, is there a file I can look at to see where it stops. I'm guessing there's some package I added from the repositories which is being clever on reboot
[11:05] <rocko> you have to do it just like this sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg cefn_
[11:05] <cefn_> or perhaps the fact that java's documentation package failed (this requires a download) somehow interfered with the full installation of other more meaningful packages
[11:05] <rocko> not dpkg-reconfigure
[11:05] <cefn_> yes, that's what I ran, sorry - trying to be brief on IRC
[11:05] <rocko> I see
[11:05] <rocko> well if that is what happened then try this
[11:06] <caspix> :( it doesn't work..
[11:06] <rocko> control+alt+f1 login then do "sudo apt-get -f install" next "sudo apt-get update" after that "sudo apt-get check"
[11:07] <rocko> what does it say what you try to install it caspix
[11:07] <cefn_> all return with no errors and no changes
[11:07] <caspix> i install it but there is no theme in my window manager :(
[11:07] <cefn_> did that before, (except for the check invocation)
[11:07] <caspix> i folowed these steps: http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=874.0;wap2
[11:08] <cefn_> but I'll try a relogin to see if they did something invisible
[11:08] <rocko> caspix I think I know what your problem is I had the same one hold on you need to install some other gtk stuff
[11:08] <caspix> like?
[11:09] <rocko> caspix do this "sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-*"
[11:09] <rocko> then it should show up
[11:10] <cefn_> still xfce login leads to bluescreen and no window manager or controls - is there a log I can observe to see how far it got, and try to debug a bit?
[11:10] <caspix> how much mb's will it take?
[11:12] <cefn_> according to Xorg.0.log, the last report is (II) intel(0) xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 4
[11:12] <rocko> caspix I mean do this instead "gtk2-engines"
[11:12] <cefn_> should it go beyond this?
[11:13] <rocko> cefn_ did you switch from xfce to gnome ?
[11:13] <caspix> ok i've installed those...what now?
[11:13] <rocko> does the theme show up now?
[11:13] <cefn_> I didn't switch, no, but maybe some package I installed brought some gnome in, how can I check for this with apt?
[11:13] <caspix> nope
[11:14] <cefn_> reading the log maybe it's related to 5 lines before the end 'AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch'. I wonder if the new kernel and VT support is doing something odd
[11:14] <rocko> sorry caspix I do not know what the problem is
[11:15] <caspix> the problem is that i have gr8 and beautiful green theme, and stupid blue window borders only
[11:16] <rocko> caspix http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/gtk/
[11:17] <rocko> cefn_ I get blue screen when I use metacilly with xfce
[11:17] <caspix> thx, i'll ponder it in the evening
[11:17] <rocko> that could be the problem
[11:18] <rocko> if it is
[11:19] <cefn_> looking at this last message in the log I fear it's to do with a corrupted video card BIOS from running 915resolution to add a new resolution
[11:19] <cefn_> although it's able to show the login screen
[11:20] <rocko> did you try removing 915resolution ?
[11:21] <cefn_> I removed the binary yes, but there was no package installed
[11:22] <rocko> cefn_ do this "sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" and set "xfwm4" as the default cefn_
[11:23] <cefn_> there was just /usr/sbin/915resolution, which is now gone. As I say, I'd made essentially no changes except adding everyday packages from ubuntu/medibuntu, which is why I'm puzzled what might have changed and fear it's in some chipset memory. will try the update-alternatives invocation and report back
[11:27] <cefn_> it says 'there is only 1 program which provides x-window-manager /usr/bin/xfwm4
[11:28] <AlexPersimmon> hi there, it appears to be no section in my xorg.conf file for keyboar, so I`m unable to set hotkeys to change layout, can anybody help?
[11:32] <caspix> got to go....see ya
[11:38] <AlexPersimmon> any1?
[11:40] <cefn_> I've resorted to windows - the Fujitsu P1610 support bastards have only a windows-based 'FlashAid' bios reflash system
[11:41] <cefn_> oh well, still nothing but blue screen after bios reflash
[11:43] <rocko> cefn_ maybe you should use a livecd to backup your data like parted magic and then reinstall
[11:43] <rocko> walking dog now
[11:45] <cefn_> thanks, rocko
[11:45] <cefn_> I have no data - brand new install
[11:54] <cefn_> I'm pretty sure my problem is to do with video and GART, since following the Xorg.0.log with sudo tail -f I can monitor the loading process, and it's getting as far as '(II) intel(0) xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 4' before hanging. Any ideas what I can try to stop Xubuntu attempting this step? Is there a setting which is making it do it?
[12:06] <rocko> so it works now cefn_ ?
[12:07] <cefn_> no, still doesn't work, sorry rocko - still hangs at '(II) intel(0) xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 4'
[12:07] <marvxxx> where can i configurate audio in xubuntu? when i start gnome there i have it under system settings..but under xfce i cant find it
[12:07] <cefn_> I wish I knew what that is for, and if there's a setting which can disable that operation. I probably don't need it.
[12:10] <rocko> marvxxx it is under settings
[12:12] <rocko> you should also be able to change volume settings via your volume buttons
[12:12] <marvxxx> settings->all settings?
[12:13] <marvxxx> i mean where i set if i want to use alsa or pulseadio
[12:13] <AlexPersimmon> cmon, anyone, please, a no brainer here, xorg.conf consists of just 3 sections, what to do?
[12:14] <marvxxx> because since i did a apt-get install xubuntu-desktop i cant hear any sound on flash videos when i have a other audio software running
[12:14] <marvxxx> this worked with the normal ubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <cefn_> it seems to be exclusive to xubuntu - installing kubuntu-desktop is able to load Xwindows (although my external monitor keeps flashing on and off)
[12:36] <Bagualas> The  top bar is missing, how do I restore it?
[13:05] <rocko> does any body know if there is a gtk application that is like qjoypad ?
[13:45] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all
[13:55] <wips> I'm having a really hard time getting a VGA driver. Installed xbuntu last night. But I'm all out of ideas. Can anyone help?
[14:04] <cefn_> just did a complete reinstall and I've been able to load Xubuntu again from the distro without the bluescreen issue - suggests it's not a video card glitch, now I'll try an update to latest versions of everything and see if I can recreate
[14:08] <cefn_> |-
[14:09] <cefn_> wips what's your hardware?
[14:13] <wips> cefn_, I have SiS VGA card.
[14:19] <cefn_> wips and you're unable to load X at all?
[14:26] <cefn_> could be good to look at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html if you're new to open source and bug fixing. More comprehensive reports in one para are most useful. If you can get everything about both your configuration and the behaviour you're seeing so that someone would be able to recreate and confirm your bug in one or more paragraphs, then you can tout that round IRC/forums etc. As you realise certain thi
[14:32] <cefn_> xorg.conf on Xubuntu starts out blank. Anyone know how to create a minimal xorg.conf compatible with xubuntu so that I can add a new modeline? I used X -configure last time to auto-generate one, but that step led to disaster
[14:33] <vinnl> Xubuntu should do all the xorg configuration automatically now
[14:33] <vinnl> !xorg
[14:34] <vinnl> There was info on modifying xorg.conf at that last link I believe
[14:54] <melodie> bonjour, hello hi howdy !  :)
[14:54] <cefn_> following instructions from vinni I've been able to get a stable xorg.conf but I still hit the dead end that xrandr: cannot find mode 1440x900
[14:55] <melodie> I'm coming to ask help about a crappy problem on a fresh new Xubuntu : the ^ accents above the e don't come (or on the o)
[14:56] <melodie> now I'm on another machine, and on the machine where it stands, I started a Ubuntu live to see if the problem was same
[14:57] <melodie> has someone heard about this type of problem ?
[14:59] <melodie> cefn_, are you trying to get a 1440x900 mode on your machine ?
[14:59] <cefn_> I get this error when I invoke xrandr --output VGA --mode 1440x900 although the mode's there in xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/111720/ and in 915resolution http://paste.ubuntu.com/111718/
[14:59] <cefn_> melodie, yup
[15:01] <cefn_> I constructed the modelines with gtf and modded the intel 945GM bios to add the mode, though I don't know where to do this permanently (the bios mod needs loading every time before X loads)
[15:01] <melodie> cefn_, : what about ServerFlags ?
[15:01] <cefn_> assume idiot
[15:01] <melodie> Section “ServerFlags”
[15:01] <melodie> Option    “AutoAddDevice”    “false”
[15:01] <melodie> EndSection
[15:01] <melodie> I did this one :
[15:02] <melodie> http://melodie.toile-libre.org/index.php/logiciels-libres/configurations-diverses/xorgconf-pour-reconnaissance-resolutions/
[15:02] <vinnl> melodie: you'll want to set a different keyboard layout, I suppose
[15:02] <vinnl> IIRC, Applications->Settings->Settings Manager, then Keyboard
[15:02] <vinnl> There should be a tab in there that allows you to set a different layout
[15:03] <melodie> vinnl, what files does it write to ?
[15:03] <melodie> vinnl, incase the change makes the keyboard unuseable : where to change it again ?
[15:04] <vinnl> Not sure...
[15:04] <melodie> I've seen this section in the Xfce4 parameters, but I didn't dare use it, because I don't know how to reach it in text mode incase needed
[15:05] <vinnl> But you can change it back to the previous setting using the mouse
[15:05] <melodie> I also must tell you I changed the xorg.conf to the one I show in above URL, because otherwise I could not get the 1024x768 mode
[15:06] <vinnl> I don't think that should matter for you keyboard layout
[15:06] <vinnl> That application does not need your root password
[15:06] <vinnl> So it cannot edit xorg.conf
[15:06] <melodie> right
[15:06] <cefn_> I don't think ServerFlags made a difference
[15:07] <cefn_> I'd like to know where xrandr is looking for the mode - why are linux tools error reports so unhelpful? the author must be handling an error, but doesn't tell you what.
[15:07] <melodie> cefn_, I think your server layout section is too poor, and lacks information
[15:08] <melodie> I also think the new autohotplugin of Xorg is a real crap. :[
[15:08] <cefn_> I just copied it entirely from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution so I don't know what most of it does. Can I remove it?
[15:09] <cefn_> how come xrandr is not finding the mode? where is it looking? in Xorg's records about the video card, Xorg's records about the monitor, or in the video card itself?
[15:09] <melodie> did you restart X ?
[15:09] <cefn_> if I knew that, I could add it
[15:09] <cefn_> I logged out, which is perhaps the same thing, or perhaps not
[15:09] <melodie> try "man xrandr", maybe you'll get information ?
[15:10] <melodie> or try to start a Zenwalk live CD, copy it's xorg.conf file to your xubuntu home, and make one xorg.conf with 2
[15:10] <melodie> well that's what I did
[15:10] <melodie> but still a ^accent problem.
[15:11] <melodie> I'll go try vinnl 's advice
[15:14] <cefn_> unbelievable - it works - the xrandr name and the one in xorg.conf needed to match
[15:14] <vinnl> cefn_: yay! :)
[15:14] <vinnl> melodie: did it work? I'd like to go, so... :)
[15:17] <cefn_> anyone know where I should put command lines to invoke in advance of X loading? I think .xprofile runs them afterwards
[15:18] <cefn_> I need to add my 915resolution lines in there I think
[15:22] <cefn_> scratch that, it seems to work after a reboot without modified modes in the bios - was spurious
[15:26] <nikolam> Hi just a short one. How user requests backporting of a newer package?
[15:30] <melodie> if someone wants to say vinnl it worked, next time you see him ? :)
[15:30] <melodie> I was at the opposite of the room so couldn't see his message
[15:31] <charlie-tca> nikolam: Not sure I understand. Do you want something new in an older version of Xubuntu or to use a newer package?
[15:32] <nikolam> charlie-tca, someone suggested to me once on some bug report
[15:32] <nikolam> that "now you can request backport"
[15:32] <melodie> cefn_, which names in xrandr and xorg.conf ?
[15:32] <nikolam> i use hardy and package is inside jaunty now
[15:32] <charlie-tca> then I think you want this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[15:33] <nikolam> I made it myself for me . But I am interested in a propper way how to request such thing.
[15:33] <nikolam> ok 10x charlie-tca
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Maybe not though, maybe to request it be backported: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[15:34] <nikolam> aha. ok :)
[15:35] <source> saluton
[15:36] <nikolam> also pointing some official howto for backporting is nice. I use apt-get build-dep , dpkg-source -x *.dsc and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc now fo me.
[15:36] <Pres-Gas> Precipitate
[15:36] <nikolam> And I hunt for dependencies.
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Other than those two docs, I don't know...
[15:38] <nikolam> ok charlie-tca :)
[15:43] <cefn_> sorry melodie, the output name which I was using in the xrandr invocation (output names visible by calling xrandr with no arguments) and the monitor name in xorg.conf needed to match I think - at least it started working then
[15:44] <azizah> hello?
[15:45] <charlie-tca> !hello
[15:45] <azizah> thank you
[15:45] <azizah> how does this work?
[15:46] <azizah> i mean
[15:46] <charlie-tca> You type your question or issues, someone here may know how to help you
[15:46] <azizah> okay
[15:46] <azizah> great
[15:46] <azizah> thanks again
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Most people are doing other stuff and will sometimes take a long time to answer, so patience is needed
[15:48] <charlie-tca> azizah: for general chat, there is #xubuntu-offtopic
[15:51] <azizah> i'm very new and i have been surfing for answers and thought i'd try here too. question one: how do i set up my keyboard? my quotation marks is an alias right now
[15:51] <azizah> am using acer aspire one
[15:51] <azizah> and how to i install my usb bluetooth
[15:55] <rocko> how do I add more matches after this with grep "grep -v '^\http' " ?
[15:56] <cody-somerville> hmm?
[16:17] <Mood> holy cow! there's been a lot of kernel updates over the last 3 days!
[17:33] <migi_> hello
[17:37] <rikitikitavi> anyone here who has put xubuntu on a ps3?
[17:38] <atgarsis> hello
[17:39] <atgarsis> does anyone here know why movies, which are on a cd/dvd, do not play on vlc player, but do play when they are moved on the hard disc?
[17:41] <atgarsis> hello??
[17:47] <Pres-Gas> !DVD
[17:48] <atgarsis> or anyone can recommend any other decent video player instead?
[17:50] <Pres-Gas> mplayer, atgarsis.  What happens when you attempt to play it via the dvd?
[17:50] <jarnos> !gxine
[17:50] <Pres-Gas> Damn, you, ubottu!!!
[17:50]  * Pres-Gas shakes fist at bot
[17:50] <atgarsis> xine you mean?
[17:51] <jarnos> atgarsis: gxine
[17:51] <rikitikitavi> !ps3
[17:52] <rikitikitavi> !how to please a woman.
[17:52] <rikitikitavi> lame
[17:53] <jarnos> atgarsis: although I notice my whole screen flickers evry 5 seconds when I play video by gxine.
[17:54] <charlie-tca> rikitikitavi: yes, some have installed on the ps3 using the ppc+ps3 version
[17:55] <atgarsis> and another q: how can one turn on the video-out function?
[17:57] <rikitikitavi> can i put 8.10 on it?
[18:00] <charlie-tca> Yes, i believe there is an 8.10 port.
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Take a look here: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/intrepid/release/
[18:02] <atgarsis> 'xrandr' and then what?
[18:03] <rikitikitavi> so this was actually tailored to work correctly on the ps3?
[18:05] <rikitikitavi> why is it alternate?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> rikitikitavi: To the best of my knowledge. I do not get involved in the ps3
[18:05] <rikitikitavi> thanks anyway
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Anything not a LiveCD is an alternate
[18:06] <rikitikitavi> i just thought that it could be done with a LiveCD
[18:06] <rikitikitavi> maybe i'm mistaken
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Only if it is available. If the only one is an alternate, then there is no LiveCD for it.
[18:06] <atgarsis> and another q: how can one turn on the video-out function?
[18:07] <rikitikitavi> ah, that would explain why I've read about 7.10 being installed with a LiveCD
[18:08] <charlie-tca> Yeah, probably has a LiveCD available for that version
[18:09] <rikitikitavi> luckily i have a linux savy friend to help me out...i'm trying to do my part though.
[18:10] <charlie-tca> The alternate install is pretty easy. It just doesn't have all the graphics of the LiveCD. It also doesn't let you try before installing.
[18:10] <charlie-tca> There are a couple of Ubuntu ps3 websites if you google for it.
[18:10] <charlie-tca> They might have more help.
[18:11] <rikitikitavi> i've looked at a few. almost all refered to 7.10 and i thought the newer might be better
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Well, in my experience, it is better
[18:12] <rikitikitavi> better as in plays nicer with the ps3
[18:13] <charlie-tca> I would think it should be, since a lot has changed since 7.10. They are a year apart!
[18:13] <charlie-tca> Have you looked on the help wiki?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_3
[18:14] <rikitikitavi> i know there were issues with certain 7.x's and i wanted to be sure i started off with something other people could vet
[18:15] <rikitikitavi> yeah, i looked through that page, but it says at the top that it is outdated for 8.10
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Good references at the bottom, though
[18:15] <rikitikitavi> so i thought i could find something explicitly for 8.10
[18:16] <charlie-tca> The link on the bottom details 8.10
[18:16] <charlie-tca> http://psubuntu.com/
[18:18] <rikitikitavi> hmm...i looked at that. can't seem to remember why i passed it over. maybe i was looking at too many things
[18:20] <rikitikitavi> that probably has eveything i'm looking for. accept the actual iso's that you linked me to earlier
[18:24] <rikitikitavi> thanks. i do wish i could find someone who had actually done it.
[18:25] <rikitikitavi> this is my first exposure to linux. i feel anxious that i'm going to have no idea whats going on
[18:29] <charlie-tca> If you read up on it, you get an idea what to expect.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> check here once in a while. There are some who visit.
[18:30] <rikitikitavi> yeah, my anxiety is slowly subsiding. luckily i won't be doing it alone.
[18:31] <rikitikitavi> there should be a psubuntu channel
[18:31] <charlie-tca> did you try #ps3 ?
[18:32] <rikitikitavi> this is the first one i tried. first time i've been on irc in 3 or 4 years
[18:55] <atgarsis> hello
[18:56] <kol> Hello/bonjour
[18:57] <atgarsis> can one please help me to configure the wireless network?
[18:57] <kol> I don't lost my panel ... I'd like it to 'appear' again ...
[18:57] <jarnos> atgarsis: kaffeine is also pretty working media player. Easy to configure for DVB.
[18:58] <atgarsis> jarnos: ta!
[18:59] <jarnos> atgarsis: ?
[18:59] <atgarsis> jarnos: thank you!
[18:59] <charlie-tca> !xfce-panels
[18:59] <jarnos> atgarsis: you are welcome
[19:00] <atgarsis> so anyone can give any advice to configure wireless?
[19:00] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[19:00] <jarnos> charlie-tca: There is no command xfce4-panels
[19:01] <kol> Does anyone can help to recover the menu ?
[19:01] <kol> my menu is at right clic and i'd like it to be at the front or the bottom of the screen ?
[19:01] <charlie-tca> jarnos: you are right! leave the 's' off panels
[19:02] <charlie-tca> kol: Is it missing from the panel?
[19:02] <kol> I don't have something at the bottom/from of my screen (not Applications, no Mozilla Icons, no 'Quit', no 'Places')
[19:02] <kol> it's really annoying
[19:02] <kol> I think it's called the menu?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Is the panel there at all?
[19:03] <kol> what's exactly the panel ? :/
[19:04] <kol> And the bottom of the screen i should have 2 work space and applications like Mozilla, Xchat or something else
[19:04] <kol> and i don't,
[19:04] <charlie-tca> The grey/colored bar that the menu, Places, Browser should be on
[19:04] <kol> no i don't have something :/
[19:04] <kol> the grey/colored bar isn't there :/
[19:04] <charlie-tca> It is normally on top, with the one with work spaces on the bottom
[19:04] <kol> and that's my problem ... :s
[19:04] <charlie-tca> okay. Lets do this then. press alt+f2
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Type killall xfce4-panel
[19:05] <charlie-tca> hit enter
[19:05] <kol> ok :)
[19:05] <charlie-tca> alt+f2
[19:05] <kol> No changes :/
[19:06] <charlie-tca> rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[19:06] <charlie-tca> hit enter
[19:06] <kol> No changes :/
[19:07] <charlie-tca> The bottom panel did not go away?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> alt + f2
[19:07] <kol> I'd like to have the bottom panel ^^ because atm i don't have it :/
[19:07] <charlie-tca> cp -r /etc/xdg/xfce4/panel ~/.config/xfce4/
[19:07] <charlie-tca> hit enter
[19:07] <charlie-tca> We will get it back in a minute.
[19:08] <charlie-tca> alt + f2
[19:08] <kol> ok, no changes ^^ :)
[19:08] <charlie-tca> xfce4-panel &
[19:08] <charlie-tca> hit enter
[19:09] <kol> Yeah !!
[19:09] <kol> Thanks you so much :D
[19:09] <charlie-tca> I need to write up a wiki page for this.
[19:09] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[19:09] <kol> can i ask you another question ?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> sure
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Do I know the answer?
[19:10] <kol> Maybe :D
[19:10] <kol> this computer is pretty slow I have 256Mo RAM (so it's normal)
[19:10]  * charlie-tca nods. Okay then
[19:11] <kol> can you recommand me a distrib/ or a thing like xfce/gnome (I don't know how it's called in Enlisgh) in order to have my computer less slow ?
[19:12] <charlie-tca> I install using the xubuntu alternate cd, because the ubuntu cd adds too much. I also use most of the applications that come with xubutnu
[19:12] <charlie-tca> s/xubutnu/xubuntu
[19:13] <charlie-tca> I don't know the alternate window managers very well.
[19:13] <kol> so for you, Xubuntu it's the best way to have my computer less slow ?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> yes. Xubuntu. Maybe check out fluxbox
[19:14] <kol> ok :) I'm going to get some informtion about fluxbox :)
[19:14] <kol> Thanks a lot :)
[19:14] <charlie-tca> no problem
[19:16] <kol> good evening all :)
[19:16] <kol> bye, cya :)
[19:28] <dan_freedom> Hi guys, anybody about?
[19:30] <Odd-rationale> nope
[19:37] <dan_freedom> LOL, then the all rumors are not true! Linux people do have lives and go out on Friday :))
[19:38] <zoredache_> !anyone
[19:39] <dan_freedom> :) ok
[19:39] <dan_freedom> what is the meaning of Life?
[19:39] <zoredache> 42
[19:40] <dan_freedom> nope :)
[20:13] <rocko> in lxde I keep getting this process to keep coming up it seems right when I login " 6165 rocko     20   0 43296  17m  10m R 90.5  1.6   4:01.27 python" ?
[20:56] <Kiption> can we put in a feature to make orage not look like ass
[21:10] <cody-somerville> :(
[21:28] <Mateusz> hello
[21:28] <charlie-tca> hello
[21:29] <Mateusz> i've got a question - i've bought a laptop (500mhz, 40gb, 130mb RAM), will xubuntu work properly?
[21:29] <melodie> he vinnl : it wooorked  !!!  \o/ !!!
[21:29] <melodie> :D
[21:29] <vinnl> melodie, \o/
[21:29] <melodie> \o/  !  :))
[21:29] <charlie-tca> I might... That is a little low on ram. You would have to install using the alternate cd.
[21:30] <charlie-tca> It will be real slow using applications.
[21:30] <Mateusz> ok, thx
[21:30] <melodie> Mateusz, for so little ram, you may want to use lxde (lxde-common package and all depends) instead of xfce4
[21:30] <charlie-tca> It might be worth trying to upgrade the RAM to 256 or more. Then I could say "YES"
[21:31] <Mateusz> can u tell me what distb of linux shall i choose?
[21:31] <melodie> Ubuntu with lxde
[21:31] <Mateusz> ok
[21:31] <melodie> or Slitaz but you will not be able to print. no packages yet
[21:31] <Mateusz> thx a lot
[21:31] <Mateusz> i really love ubuntu xD
[21:31] <melodie> you could do a dual-boot : Slitaz need not much place
[21:31] <Mateusz> i'hv got it on my own computer;]
[21:32] <melodie> and you'll be interested to know boths
[21:32] <melodie> both are lovely. :)
[21:33] <Mateusz> what about debian? Maby debial will be good?
[21:33] <dan_freedom> watch out! if ur graphic card may cause problems! like only having 800*600 resolution!
[21:34] <dan_freedom> I am trying to run xubuntu on a VERY LOW-end PC, and my biggest problem is trying to make the graphic card behave!
[21:35] <dan_freedom> :) but I dont give up easy! it will work!
[21:37] <charlie-tca> dan_freedom: You mean it don't work yet? I gave up on mine a while back...
[21:38]  * charlie-tca gives big warning: ATI RAGE is hard to use
[21:38] <Mateusz> hi Genelyk
[21:38] <dan_freedom> no, not yet, unfortunatly,  but today I was at my PC shop, and picked up a geforce card, I might have more luck with that
[21:40] <charlie-tca> This is true
[21:40] <dan_freedom> LOL, the guy at the shop said the graphic card was sooooo old, he said just take it away and come, try it with ur PC and come back monday if it works...
[21:40] <vinnl> Nice :)
[21:40] <dan_freedom> He does know me well, but funny that he did not ask for money
[21:41] <charlie-tca> with a try then, anyway
[21:42] <dan_freedom> yeah, I did give it quick try, the geforce 2 card, and the Nvidia Driver, but there was not a lot of resolutions to pick from
[21:42] <charlie-tca> was it higher than 800x600?
[21:43] <dan_freedom> or was it geforce 4 card? cant remember now... but no luck yet, I will try properly tomorrow, I only half tried today
[21:43] <Genelyk> Hi Mateusz
[21:44] <dan_freedom> it might be possible to "tweak" the Nvidia drivers more if u know more about Linux than I do :)
[21:45] <dan_freedom> otherwise, I am just gonna have to trying to make things work on such a LOW-end PC...
[21:46] <charlie-tca> I run an MX4000 card
[21:46] <dan_freedom> and do u have a decent resolution?
[21:52] <dan_freedom> HeHe, that card looks like it has AGPx8 ?
[21:53] <dan_freedom> I think the one I am trying to make work is only AGPx2
[21:58] <dan_freedom> well, as they say, "its all about the journey; not the destination"
[22:01] <dan_freedom> or something like that...
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Mine is decent, I can get 1024x768 on the crt.
[22:02] <charlie-tca> It's only agpx4, maybe? not 8, system won't handle it.
[22:03] <charlie-tca> My motherboard is old. It won't accept higher than AGPx$
[22:04] <charlie-tca> AGPx4
[22:07] <dan_freedom> not bad for an AGPx4 card :) 1024x768! I would be delighted with 1024x768; that I could work with 800*600 is just not enough...
[22:08] <charlie-tca> yeah, That is what I do work with. These new systems are a bit much, with the resolutions people have!
[22:10] <dan_freedom> HeHe, I do have a second PC, for that kind of thing, those 'mad' resolutions over 1024x768, but that PC is just for movies and games :)
[22:10] <dan_freedom> I want to use this PC for learning about Linux
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Should be a good learning tool, huh
[22:14] <dan_freedom> LOL, well if it keeps acting up with the resolution, I might get 'disheartened'
[22:16] <dan_freedom> My other PC, is dual booting windows 7, Vista, and XP, with no resolution problems
[22:17] <dan_freedom> LOL, but somehow not as much fun as this PC that refuses to go over 800*600 :)
[22:38] <Mood> are the folders that appear on Desktop the real folders? or a "shortcut"/symbolic link?
[22:39] <vinnl> Mood, they're the contents of the ~/Desktop folder
[22:39] <vinnl> So yeah, real folders
[22:39] <Mood> oh, is it common practice to make symbolic links on the Desktop for folders located elsewhere?
[22:40] <Mood> or would i be the only strange one
[22:40] <vinnl> It wouldn't be strange :P
[22:40] <vinnl> But I never do it
[22:40] <vinnl> Some people (like me) like to put nothing on their desktop :)
[22:40] <vinnl> Oh, btw, I *did* do that for my mom, so... :)
[22:40] <Mood> thanks vinnl
[22:41] <vinnl> yw
[22:45] <Mood> anyone use scrot? i'm trying to see whether it's a daemon process before i decide on installing it. i don't want to take up more cpu
[22:46] <Mood> (scrot is a small app for screencapture)
[22:46] <vinnl> You could install it and reinstall it if it is :P
[22:46] <vinnl> *uninstall
[22:46] <Mood> ehh... i don't want to risk it
[22:46] <vinnl> Wait, let me install it...
[22:47] <Mood> i'm a paranoid noob
[22:51] <vinnl> Mood, nope, nothing running
[22:51] <Mood> hmm... doesn't seem to be a daemon process... yah... reading some more about it, it seems like it's invoked using the scrot from commandline
[22:51] <vinnl> Yeah it is
[22:52] <Mood> it's a 1 meg app tho... kinda hefty for what it does...
[22:52] <Mood> lots of dependencies i guess...
[22:53] <Mood> hey- it's a pretty nifty little app
[22:54] <vinnl> Yeah, I'm keeping it installed :)
[22:54] <Mood> vinnl: ditto. look here for some useful hints: http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=344
[22:56] <Mood> "scrot -s -d 3 test.jpg" could come in handy...
[22:57] <Mood> maybe add a -b in the mix too
[22:58] <vinnl> I'm going for a bash script that cd's to /tmp then scrots :)
[22:58] <Mood> vinnl: nice
[23:00] <vinnl> ...if only it worked
[23:04] <vinnl> Hmm... Can't scrot take an argument in which directory it is to save the shot?
[23:06] <Mood> hmm... dunno
[23:06] <Mood> you mean like scrot /home/me/test.jpg? it should
[23:07] <vinnl> I don't want to define the filename, I just want it to save the file to /tmp
[23:07] <vinnl> e.g. "scrot -d /tmp"
[23:08] <Mood> i think it needs a name though
[23:08] <Mood> scrot -d 3 /tmp/test.jpg (-d is delay in seconds i believe)
[23:09] <vinnl> Yeah but when I just run "scrot" it creates a screenshot with a generated name in ~
[23:09] <Mood> not sure... i installed it only seconds after you did :-)
[23:11] <vinnl> Of course :P
[23:13] <vinnl> Hmm... Apparently Xfce doesn't allow me to bind anything to the PrtSc key
[23:16] <vinnl> Ah well, off to bed now, bye
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> scrot may have some options that lets you put the image elsewhere, as well as name the image...
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> irrc
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> *iirc