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vorianyay, i have power again!01:00
voriananything needs doing?01:00
neversfeldewb vorian01:13
neversfeldethere is a new version of plasmoid-windoslist, but no changes than my patch in there. Should I bump it to 0.4?01:14
vorianneversfelde: sure, upgrade it \o/01:16
vorianneversfelde: when you are done, ping me and i'll take a look01:16
neversfeldevorian: k, will do it. Should be a bug and not on revu, or?01:16
lex79vorian 0.3 is in queue I suppose...no?01:17
vorianah, so it is neversfelde01:18
vorianerm lex79 :)01:18
ghostcubehello :) who is doing the openoffice 3 ppa repo ?01:18
lex79JontheEchidna: o/01:18
vorianneversfelde: sure, report a bug, then when it is released from new, ping someone01:18
* JontheEchidna just finished shunting a crapload of bug reports over at acpi-support01:21
JontheEchidnamarking dupes where possible, of course ;-)01:21
JontheEchidnaapparently hotkeys don't work to well on thinkpads...01:22
* txwikinger wants a working kernel01:23
lex79JontheEchidna: when build this plasmoid http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=93235&forumpage=0 with pbuilder I have this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lkworkspace01:23
lex79vorian: ?01:26
vorianare you using kdebase-workspace-dev as a build-dep?01:27
JontheEchidnalex79: strange error01:27
* JontheEchidna turns off the website preview feature of quassel01:28
lex79vorian yes01:28
voriani saw the first time :)01:29
lex79vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111923/01:29
JontheEchidnastrange, building it with a good old cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .. worked fine01:33
lex79JontheEchidna: yes01:33
JontheEchidnaI have no clue what's wrong01:36
voriancould be an error with CMakeLists01:38
lex79there is a cmake warning01:39
lex79No cmake_minimum_required command is present01:40
lex79cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.6)01:40
vorianright, but it is present :)01:40
vorian2.6.2 to be specific01:40
lex79eheh yes01:40
vorianlex79: can you paste the CMakeLists.txt please?01:41
txwikingerwhat sense does it make to swap stuff out to then cache the swap again?01:41
* txwikinger does not get those kernel devs01:42
lex79CMakeList.txt is strange LoL01:42
lex79ah no...moment01:43
lex79vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/111924/01:43
lex79target_link_libraries(plasma_applet_smhi plasma kworkspace ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS})01:46
vorianno idea01:50
rgreeningSime_: yay. pyQt built against qt 4.503:29
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jjesse-dell9trying to get started on some documentation :)04:14
seelejjesse-dell9: spelled it wrong :)04:14
jjesse-dell9ah i was mispelling04:14
jjesse-dell9its late and im stuck in an airport :)04:14
jjesse-dell9seele:  so what brings you to irc at 11pm on a friday night?04:16
jjesse-dell9ah kde release party04:21
ScottKseele: I forgot to mention that rickspencer3 was here looking for you after you'd left for the party.04:52
ScottKDunno how closely you read scrollback, but he wanted to share something he's started working on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usability/DataCrossWalkMethod04:52
rgreeningo/ ScottK04:57
ScottKrgreening: o/04:58
rgreeningpyQt builds04:58
ScottKBuild Eric and have it work.  Then I'll think you have something.04:59
rgreeningI still have threading issues. Not sure if it's KDE, Qt or pthread04:59
rgreeningI wonder if it requires a rebuild of KDE against Qt4.5. Theoretically it shouldn't... but Im no expert there.05:00
rgreeningScottK: Is there an easy way to get the kde builds into my PPA to force a rebuild using Qt4.5 in my PPA? or can that be done?05:01
ScottKYou have to reupload.05:01
ScottKSo upload Qt 4.5 and then upload KDE again after.05:01
rgreeningso to upload kde I need the changes file. does that mean I have to regenerate a new diff/dsc via debuild05:02
ScottKYes because you need a higher revision number.05:03
rgreeningk. thats what I thought.05:03
ScottKRiddell: Quassel is seeded and kubuntu-meta updated so it's on the CD...05:04
rgreeningdo you think it may be he issue? kreadconfig segfaults as does kstartupconfig4. They both terminate at the same spot.05:04
rgreeningQThreadStorageData::get with a null pointer causing the crash05:04
ScottKhttp://ploum.frimouvy.org/?202-the-signals-and-threads-flying-circus is a long way of saying dunno.05:06
ScottKRiddell: quassel-client and quassel-core need to be demoted to Universe.05:07
rgreeningMonty Python is teh shiz05:07
rgreeningI think I'll try rebuilding KDE. nothing to lose05:08
rgreeningScottK: should I force a Qt4.5.0 min requirement in kdelibs then?05:09
ScottKrgreening: Just don't upload KDE until after Qt 4.5 binaries are publised and it shouldn't be needed.05:10
rgreeningok. qt 4.5.0 are published in my PPA05:10
ScottKWe need to do that for the archive because there's so much skew between the different archs.05:10
ScottKnixternal: Since I know you're just dieing with anticipation to do the release notes for next week's Alpha, the first two items are:05:26
ScottK1.  New on CD - Quassel, it's not just for Universe any more.05:26
ScottK2. Kmail/Akonadi and Amarok are now co-installable.  You don't have to pick.05:26
rgreeningnixternal: we also need a howto for quassel. ScottK neantioned a blog with a mini howto that could be converted :)05:30
ScottKIt was claydoh what did it.05:30
rgreeningcause I need someone/thing to help me switch from Konveration to quassel05:31
ScottKWell I'm working on updating the package right now, so if you run accross anything, let me know.05:32
rgreeningScottK: was konversation droped yet from CD05:32
ScottKYeah.  Before Alpha 2.05:32
rgreeningok. and were we able to get a package of K3B yet from Tonio_?05:33
ScottKFor the transition stuff I've been concentrating on Quassel.05:35
ScottKBTW, the Mandriva packager for Quassel approached me on #quassel recently.  I guess they're considering it now too.05:35
rgreeningok, Tonio_ has k3b package to upload. It's a snapshot bu works. Last I heard he was working on cleaning up the package. We should be able to get it on the cd05:35
rgreeningScottK: thats cool.05:35
* ScottK gives apachelogger a good hard thump in the back of the head. 05:36
ScottKHopefully hard enough to produce a quasselcore man page that has actual useful information in it.05:36
ScottKHopefully that will serve as a bug report.05:36
rgreeninguploading all of kde for rebuild by hand is a pain05:38
rgreeningScottK: will I need more space allocated to my PPA to rebuild all of kde? If so, who do I ask?05:43
ScottK#launchpad I guess.  Dunno.05:43
ScottKOption 2 is make a new team with a PPA, have that depend on your PPA and shove the rest in there.05:44
ScottKrgreening: ^^05:44
rgreeningtrue dat. I'll wait and see if I run out of space05:44
apacheloggerScottK: the manpage is from back in the days when quasselcore aint had no useful stuff to talk about08:29
apachelogger+ I don't really care about manpages if they would duplicate --help anyway :P08:30
apacheloggerScottK: also about the kdeedu stuff ... while I agree with having desktop files in the same package as their binary, this is not the case for most of core KDE, so in favor of not messing around with everything at this point (which would have to be carried to debian as well) including tryexec as a patch and upstream for 4.2.1 seems like the more efficient solution, since marble is really the only desktop file that suffers from a08:32
apachelogger->binary chain08:32
apacheloggerany junior packagers around?08:36
apacheloggerArby: o/08:48
Arbyapachelogger: morning :)08:48
apacheloggerArby: you probably want to do some easy packaging, don't you? ;-)08:49
ArbyI might do, although reserve the right to change the definition of easy :)08:49
apacheloggerkde-l10n-{tg,bn_IN,mr,mai,kn} need initial package08:49
apacheloggerit's really just taking some other l10n package, copying the debian dir and ensure all references to the language are changed08:50
Arbyok I can take a look later on today08:50
apacheloggerok, thx08:50
Arbywhere do the tarballs live?08:50
* Arby goes looking08:51
apacheloggerryanakca: _I_ did?08:52
Arbyfound them I think08:52
Arbyyep got em08:52
apacheloggerRiddell: shouldn't the lang pack installation include downloading kde-l10n-$lang?09:11
apacheloggerRiddell: otherwise one will not have localized data content I think09:11
Arbyhmm, has anyone had issues trying to run dolphin as root?10:52
Arbyif I run kdesudo dolphin I get this10:52
komutadoes anyone know the package maintainers for kde 4.2 repository ?10:52
Arbykomuta: which repository do you mean?10:52
Arbyour packages are maintained by teams10:53
Arbywhat is the actual problem?10:53
komutadeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main10:54
komutaI upgraded to 4.2 final yesterday10:54
komutaand while trying to install kde-devel, since I need to build the lastest version of ktorrent...10:54
komutaE: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb: Size mismatch10:54
Arbylet me check10:55
HobbseeArby: is one better to run jaunty with 4.2, or use intrepid + that ppa?10:56
komutajaunty itself is still alpha isn't it ?10:57
Hobbseekomuta: oh yes10:57
ArbyHobbsee: not much in it10:57
* Hobbsee is used to running alpha releases, but hasn't run kubuntu for a while.10:57
ArbyI'm still on intrepid but not for kde reasons10:58
HobbseeArby: stuff's going into jaunty first, then getting backported in that ppa, or?10:58
ArbyHobbsee: yes10:58
* Hobbsee nods10:58
Arbykomuta: I'm running a test download, give me a few minutes10:58
Arbykomuta: seems to be ok here11:10
Arbyare installing from commandline?11:11
komutayes, from aptitude11:11
Arbycould you pastebin the terminal output11:12
komutaapt-get install libpcre3-dev11:12
komutaReading package lists... Done11:12
komutaBuilding dependency tree11:12
komutaReading state information... Done11:12
komutaThe following extra packages will be installed:11:12
komuta  libpcrecpp011:13
komutaThe following NEW packages will be installed:11:13
komuta  libpcre3-dev libpcrecpp011:13
komuta0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.11:13
komutaNeed to get 355kB of archives.11:13
komutaAfter this operation, 848kB of additional disk space will be used.11:13
komutaDo you want to continue [Y/n]?11:13
komutaGet:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main libpcrecpp0 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 [97.5kB]11:13
komutaGet:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main libpcre3-dev 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 [258kB]11:13
komutaFetched 259kB in 3s (85.3kB/s)11:13
komutaFailed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb  Size mismatch11:13
komutaFailed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcre3-dev_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb  Size mismatch11:13
komutaE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?11:13
Arbykomuta for future reference, use pastebins11:13
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)11:13
komutaok, sorry11:13
komutaby the way, I'm not the only one in this situation11:14
Arbyok I was trying to install kde-devel11:16
Arbyjust retried with libpcre3-dev11:16
Arbythat also works for me11:16
ArbyI'll have a look at those forum threads and investigate further11:16
Arbycan't do much more right now11:16
komutathe threads has no more info11:16
komutajust people reporting the problem11:17
Arbythanks for letting us know11:17
Arbywe'll look into it11:17
komutathanks !11:18
stdinkomuta: by the way, are you on i386 or amd64?11:18
stdinvery odd11:18
komutawhy is that ?11:18
stdinbecause, I don't see why I can download the package but you can't11:19
stdinthe sizes seem to match up here, Size: 97376 Content-Length: 9737611:21
komutayou mean, donwload it, or install it throuh apt tools ?11:21
komutawhere is stored the size of the file ?11:21
stdinin the generated Packages.gz and /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-experimental_ppa_ubuntu_dists_intrepid_main_binary-i386_Packages11:22
komuta-rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb11:24
komutayes, really odd11:24
komutasame size for me11:24
komutaI'll try to install it manually11:25
komutano problem installing with dpkg11:25
komutaso this is a workaround, but it doesn't explain the thing11:26
stdinonly apt uses the Packages files/s11:26
Arbystdin: is it possible that there's some difference between apt-get and aptitude?11:27
Arbyor is it the same backend11:27
komutaapt-get got me the same result11:27
Arbyok, I was jut speculating11:27
stdinArby: I'm pretty sure they both use libapt11:28
komutathis is really strange, but the packages are valid11:28
komutaI'll post the workaround to the forum11:28
komutathe files seems quite old11:28
komuta-rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 ../libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb11:29
komuta-rw-r--r-- 1 root   root     259290 2008-12-17 04:03 ../libpcre3-dev_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb11:29
komutaand the http server gives the good size11:31
stdinkomuta: it's in both the -experimental repo and kubuntu-members-kde4, you probably got it from the -kde4 one11:31
stdinI mean, the timestamp is from the -kde4 one11:32
stdin(we just copy the packages over)11:32
komutaSize: 9747411:32
komutathe -kde4 one also gives a different size11:33
komutathis may explain the problem11:33
komutaok, I think I understand11:35
komutaboth repository have exactly the same version11:36
komutaVersion: 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa111:36
komutabut not the same size11:36
komutanow, the problem is, apt tries downloading a package from a repository, and matches its size to another repository11:36
Arbysounds like the Packages.gz on kubuntu-members-kde4 might be out of date11:38
Arbywould explain the issue11:38
Arbynot sure how we fix that11:38
stdinArby: they were build in -kde4, and copied to -experimental. the .debs should be exactly the same11:41
* stdin changes state to "Confused"11:41
Arbysomething, somewhere is out of sync11:42
ArbyI just can't figure out what11:42
komuta-rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb11:43
komuta-rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97474 2008-12-11 23:43 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb.111:43
komutajust tried downloading the version from kde4, and I confirm its size11:44
smarterkomuta: tried running aptitude update another time?11:44
komutaI have the warning about the key11:45
komutaW: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public keyis not available: NO_PUBKEY 8AD328D8A58BCAE311:45
komutabut I don't know which repository11:45
komutasince I use many ppa11:45
stdinthat one is for ~rvm11:45
stdinsomehow the debs in -kde4 gained some bytes11:47
Arbyapachelogger: for these l10n packages, in debian/changelog should version be jaunty or unreleased?12:48
Arbyapachelogger: more questions12:56
Arbyapachelogger: 1) there is a build-dep on debhelper >=5, is that right or are we on >=6 now12:56
Arby2) do I need to update the 'this package was debianised by ...' line in debian/copyright?12:57
BillyBopHi, I've installed kubuntu 9.04 alpha314:34
BillyBopI've a big issue with kd.2e14:34
BillyBopthe main menu does not shows well, only the black frame is visible14:35
BillyBopwhat sould be inside does not show up14:35
BillyBopso it's pretty unusable14:35
BillyBopproblem of graphic driver?14:35
BillyBopmy card is a nvidia 880014:35
BillyBopperhaps I sould disable video acceleration, but my xorg.conf is quite empty, I don't know where all the parameters are...14:36
Arbyapachelogger: I've done those l10n packages, got time to review?14:39
Arbywhat files do you need me to put where?14:39
nixternaljjesse: do you use quassel? if so, fancy doing that how-to rgreening is looking for?15:30
ryanakcaapachelogger: I believe so.15:44
ryanakcaapachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2008-December/001450.html15:44
* astromme uses quassel15:55
apacheloggerArby: do you have access to a webserver ... easiest would be to upload dsc, diff, and tar of all the packages16:15
apacheloggerI forgot16:16
apacheloggerArby: you need to run... make -f debian/rules get-desktop ...before creating the package16:16
apacheloggerotherwise it doesn't contain the desktop files :)16:16
* Arby opens up konsole again16:17
apacheloggerArby: about those questions: changelog doesn't matter really, but it probably makes sense to delete all entries and make this one the initial one, I didn't do that though ... 1) no, we don't depend on >= 6, not for the l10ns anyway ... 2) if you want, I didn't do it for the last 2 packages  .... in general I would say, the less you change the better it is, since it makes batch editing (which is really the only kind of editing t16:19
apachelogger done to kde-l10n) more reliable16:19
Arbyapachelogger: I made a new changelog for all of them16:20
ArbyI'll leave the rest alone16:20
Arbyapachelogger: does this matter?16:20
Arbysvn: URL 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/l10n/bn/messages/extragear-utils/desktop_extragear-utils_guidance-power-manager.po' doesn't exist16:20
apacheloggerArby: no16:21
* Arby debuilds again16:21
apacheloggerryanakca: from my point of view upstream should add an option for installing the examples16:21
apacheloggerraping them out of the source tree is not as maintainable as it should be16:22
ryanakcaapachelogger: and, how would one go by doing that? Submit a patch for CMakeLists.txt?16:30
ryanakcaOops, that was supposed to be a /go <nick>.. *kicks tab*.17:04
Arbyapachelogger: everything you need should be here http://drop.io/lo8nkw817:14
ScottKapachelogger: About the man pages I generally agree, but for quasselcore, I think it's useful to have a man page with some actual content.17:17
* ScottK is fixing ...17:18
apacheloggerScottK: depends on the content really ;-)17:18
ScottKTrue.  In my case I wanted the core usage info and it wasn't there.  That's what i'm adding.17:18
apacheloggerScottK: do you have time to review the lang packs arby did?17:19
ScottKapachelogger: No.17:20
apacheloggermarkey: btw, you should checkout choqok17:23
apacheloggermarkey: way better than irc twittering :P17:23
neversfeldeand it has support for direct messages now :)17:25
markeyapachelogger: yeah I'm tempted. can it do identica already?17:25
markeythat said, rbot tweeting is perfect for me17:25
smartermarkey: there is identi.ca support17:26
smarterand kde4.2 notify applet support :]17:26
markeyI know a guy who plans to write a super powerful plasmoid for twitter17:27
markeythat could be cool too17:27
markeythe existing one is... limited17:27
smarterbah, Konqueror is saying to me that Ctrl+F shortcut is "ambiguous"17:27
* smarter considers switching to Arora as soon as Qt 4.5 is usable17:28
Sputyeah that's an old and very annoying konqueror bug :(17:29
smarterother bugs I'm seeing in Konqueror: sometimes, for no reason, up/down/space/page up/page down/ keys stop working, and I must use the mouse, midly annoying17:30
smarterbut everytime I enter a URL, Konqueror freezes for several seconds, VERY annoying17:30
apacheloggersmarter: I would suppose once 4.5 is in we would switch to kdewebkit17:31
apacheloggerdepending on it's quality of course17:31
smarterarora on the other hand, is blazingly fast to load, even faster than Konqueror with preload enable17:31
Tm_Tsmarter: I don't have that slowness, weird17:31
apacheloggersmarter: because it got less bloat :P17:31
smarterwhich reminds me that I should update kdewebkit package :P17:31
smarterwhich is starting to look creepy too17:32
apacheloggersmarter: and kepas17:32
Tm_Tapachelogger: kdewebkit is not good yet, but hopefully will soon17:32
smarterthere is now 3 libs in it: libkdewebkit, libwebkitkde and libkdenetwork17:32
apacheloggerlibkdenetwork? Oo17:32
apacheloggernow that naming is a bit weird I would say :P17:32
smarterand putting all of that in the proper binary packages is tricky17:32
* smarter wishes someone would make a KDE integration for Arora, just like Quassel :]17:33
apacheloggermore work it is17:33
rgreeningwebkit works better here than khtml. It passes the acid3 test with 100%17:33
apachelogger+I find arora limited17:33
apacheloggerjust like firefox17:33
apacheloggerand arora can't even be addoned17:34
apachelogger"The only thing PCLinuxOS has going for it, is the plethora of non-Free Software applications they bundle, making the transition from Windows a breeze. Other than that, it’s just a run-of-the-mill-everyday-linux-distro. Nothing special. Certainly nothing on par with Ubuntu. It had its rise to popularity just about half a year ago, but it seems to be slipping, as packages aren’t fully tested, and the common experience overal17:38
apachelogger unstable one."17:38
apacheloggerwasn't there like a thread about ubuntu SRU regressions *cough* :P17:38
nixternalOK, so I have taken some time over the past month, give or take a day, and played with various Audio Players - Amarok, Banshee, Rythmbox, Exaile, and Songbird....the winner is definitely Amarok with either Exaile or Banshee in a DISTANT 2nd17:39
nixternalI have been using GNOME at work on my workstation because KDE 4 + NVIDIA == suckage...so I played with GNOME audio players...jeesh they aren't that great to be honest17:40
apacheloggerWMP ftw!17:41
a|wennixternal: any news in amarok being the best :)17:41
nixternalit simply amazes me how the amarok people can create such quality with smaller teams than the other players17:42
nixternalor the lack of corporate backing17:42
a|wenit is amazing, yes ... you really miss amarok, if you ever have to do without it17:43
nixternalthe amarok internet plugins are 43028408320843028403284302840328 times greater than the other player's plugins to boot...which is what I really enjoy17:43
nixternalI love Last.fm, and Amarok is the only player that works with it perfectly...the rest don't even come close17:43
apacheloggerthat however mostly originated through corporate backing (magnatune)17:43
nixternalwith banshee I had to quit out and restart it after it played like 5 Last.fm songs17:43
apacheloggerlast.fm is heavily using the last.fm client's code base, last I checked :P17:44
nixternalMagnatune is far from corporate backing compared to the likes of Novell17:44
apacheloggernixternal: novell doesn't put resources to efficient use from my POV17:44
nixternalapachelogger: depends on the project, but i tend to agree with you there17:45
apacheloggerwe don't either TBH ... having at least 4 people work on 20 packages for about a week is rather insane17:46
apacheloggerwork on kde-l10n is so much more efficient :D17:46
apacheloggertakes me one night of sleep to manipulate ~50 packages ;-)17:46
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ghostcubeScottK, ping18:10
ScottKHeya ghostcube18:10
ghostcubehi man, just wanna say the garbage of xorg is gone :)18:10
ScottKSo you like my update then ..18:11
ScottKghostcube: Was Kmail one of the problems you were having?18:11
ghostcubenah iam on thinderbird cause i love the imap settings there more18:11
* ScottK can't remember who was kvetching about kmail. I need to get them to test the fix.18:12
ghostcubeah ScottK btw youre update is coooling my card again to 48 degrees as before18:13
ghostcubewith the kubuntu path it qwas permanent on 5018:14
ScottKIt wasn't a Kubuntu decision to put that in there.18:14
ghostcubeyeaj i know i meant ubuntu18:14
ScottKK.  Just making sure.18:14
ghostcubesorry :)18:15
ghostcubenow iam waiting for 4.3 to get a deskop independent dashboard hehe18:16
macoso is this channel also #kubuntu+1 then?18:16
ScottKI think there's a #kubuntu-kde4 or some such, but I don't know for sure.18:16
ghostcubenah its just kubuntu afaik now18:17
ghostcubenot splitted anymore18:17
macoer, wait so for kubuntu/jaunty questions do i ask here or in #kubuntu?18:20
ScottKmaco: If it's a "Hey, how do I do this, ask in #kubuntu".  If it's "Hey, I think something's broken" ask here.18:20
macoit's hey i think something's broken18:21
ScottKAnd if it's a Jaunty question that's not KDE specific, then #ubuntu+1.18:21
ScottKThen ask away.18:21
macoin kmail when i try to sign an email, it says bad passphrase, but it never actually asked for a passphrase to begin with18:22
ScottKDoes your gpg.conf have 'use-agent' in it?18:22
ScottKNeeds that.18:23
macoits possible this is caused by having both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, since i used seahorse to setup my keys before i started trying this kde thing18:23
ScottKI'll have to look at GPG and see if that patch got dropped accidentally.18:23
macowhat's the kde gpg app called?18:24
ScottKOTOH, if seahorse is manipulating gpg.conf, that's probably a bad thing.18:24
ScottKkgpg I think, but I don't use it.18:24
macocheck and see if ive got it installed. i didnt have knetworkmanager installed when i was confused yesterday :P18:24
macowell gpg.conf is blank save a comment that says # FILE CREATED BY SEAHORSE18:25
ScottKI'm just out the door, so I'll see about helping out when I get back if no one else can.18:25
ScottKmaco: That's a seahorse bug then.18:25
ScottKPlease file that.18:25
* ScottK runs out.18:25
JontheEchidnamaco: the KDE gpg app is called kgpg18:40
JontheEchidnain a brilliant stroke of originality :P18:41
a|wenJontheEchidna: isn't that still kde3 ... or have we got a new version?18:41
JontheEchidnait's been kde4 since I remember18:41
JontheEchidnait's part of kdeutils so it's not a universe package or anything18:42
a|wenoh, cool :)18:42
JontheEchidnathat being said it looks like it still has a crystal svg icon, hehe18:43
a|wenhehe ... so 99% kde4 :P18:44
macoJontheEchidna: yeah i had a friend going "you couldn't remember knetworkmanager? it's kde we're talking about. just tack on a k to everything!" yesterday18:47
JontheEchidnaexcept now in KDE4 they're going with the abstract names for stuff18:48
JontheEchidna"Okteta, Plasma"18:48
JontheEchidnaDragon Player18:49
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a|wenmakes it a pain grepping for kde-related stuff :P18:51
ScottKmaco: That correct gpg.conf file you want can be found at /usr/share/gnupg/options.skel.18:51
* maco looks18:52
ScottKmaco: Just copy that one into your .gnupg dir18:52
ScottKAnd, of course, rename it gpg.conf18:52
macolots of commented things18:53
ScottKYou shouldn't have to change any of them.18:53
ScottKWe patch that file to set use-agent by default.18:53
* ScottK did just check that hasn't changed.18:54
macodo i have to log out and back in or something after that?18:54
ScottKgnupg-agent and some other stuff needs restarted, so that's probably the easiest way to do it.18:54
macoi installed kgpg and then put "use-agent" into gpg.conf and then tried a test message, but no good18:54
macoill try that as soon as i figure out how .po's work18:55
a|wenmaco: there is kbabel in kde, don't know if that is what you are looking for?19:03
macoa|wen: nah, im trying to update some documentation in gnome and cant figure out which files i have to update and which files will be taken care of by rosetta19:03
a|wenoh, that sounds a bit out of my reach :)19:04
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apacheloggera|wen: kbabel was replaced by lokalize19:50
=== rmblr is now known as Ramblurr
* a|wen tries to remember that19:50
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* a|wen goes sleeping ... nn ppl20:02
ScottKDo we have anything written on policy for packaging plasmoids?20:43
ScottKDebian is apparently starting such a thing and collaboration would be handy.20:43
apacheloggerScottK: not much policy besides naming20:44
ScottKThat'd be something ....20:44
apacheloggerI think we already discussed that though20:45
apacheloggerworth mentioning anyway I guess :)20:45
* ScottK just did ...20:46
astrommeis there an experimental repo for Qt 4.5 for intrepid or for jaunty?20:46
* ghostcube is dreaming of his independent dashboard lol20:47
apacheloggerastromme: not yet20:47
ghostcubewill qt 4.5 be faster then this one now ?20:48
apacheloggerQt will be heaven on earth 200920:48
ghostcubeoO eh ?20:48
astromme /lol20:48
astrommeI wouldn't say that..20:48
ScottKastromme: rgreening is working on packaging it. I think it's in his PPA, but not sure.20:48
* Sput waits for kdm not crashing with qt 4.520:48
apacheloggerSput: jr says final is already available in the business partner channel thingy20:49
apacheloggerso I suppose they fixed that20:49
astrommeMmm, it is in his ppa20:49
Sputwell, I'd rather think KDE needs to fix stuff20:49
astrommeDo I take the plunge? lol.....20:49
Sputwell, I tried a week ago or so, and both kde and kwin crashed with git master of qt20:49
ScottKastromme: Test results I've heard aren't yet great.  I'd not do it outside a VM.20:50
astrommeScottK: ok, thanks for the heads up20:50
Sputqt-copy will go 4.5 soon enough though20:50
Sputso I'd expect a working KDE roughly around Qt's rc release20:50
Sputoh, I'm talking kde trunk too, not 4.220:50
* ScottK thought he'd heard the 'working with 4.2' was a release condition for Qt 4.5.20:52
Sputmaybe, I didn't try :)20:52
SputKDE 4.2 never made it to my hdd20:52
Sputthere are people claiming that $SOME_VERSION of KDE works with $SOME_OTHER_VERSION with Qt 4.5 too20:52
ScottKMine neither (because it's still 4.1.4)20:52
Sputmine's already 4.2.61 :)20:53
astrommeSput: which more or less means it's pretty broken atm.20:54
* apachelogger had .60 but eventually went back to 4.2.0 for distro work :P20:54
Sputastromme: meh, works well enough for me20:54
Sputplasma-desktop seems to have stopped freezing randomly on this box20:54
astrommeSput: Yeah, I understand. I was the crazy guy who transferred over to KDE4 with the last 4.0 beta...20:55
Sputastromme: yeah I switched to 3.9x as my main desktop roughly a month before 4.0.0 was tagged :D20:55
Sputtalk about bleeding edge20:55
astrommeSput: no kidding. I then did svnbuild for the next 6 months until 4.1 was enough for me.20:56
SputKDE is still moving too fast for me to survive being stuck at a release :D20:57
Sputdon't even have a stable version installed as a fallback20:57
ghostcubebtw it would be cool to initiate the cube in kde4 effects by middlemouse20:58
ghostcubeand ctrl alt mouse1 like in compiz20:58
ghostcubecause this is better then ctrl f11 and then throw it a bit out of functionality20:58
ghostcubeand the edge actions arent acting well you need to push the edges very often till they act as a trigger20:59
smarterghostcube: there's a guy working on the cube atm, asks him, not us :P http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/?p=21720:59
astrommeactually, what I really want is zooming with ctrl+mouse (or meta+mouse or something + mousewheel if conflicts appear) rather than ctrl++/-21:00
ghostcubeok i postet a comment as it seems iam not the only one missing this feature lol21:03
ScottKlibdrm-dev installability got fixed on the ports archs, so in theory we ought to be able to get stuff built there now.21:10
ScottKOf course we have to retry our way up to KDE.21:10
* ScottK is starting on PPC and mesa....21:10
smarterhmm, people on phoronix forum are saying that removing the xserver patch that makes garbage on windows improves performance in KDE421:12
smarter(and wondering why ubuntu devs haven't dropped it yet)21:12
apacheloggersmarter: blog please21:13
apacheloggeryeah, blog that :P21:13
smarterI don't have a blog (yet) :]21:13
* ScottK looks at Building amd64 build of kdepimlibs 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 in ubuntu intrepid RELEASE [kubuntu-updates-testing] and wonders why.21:14
apacheloggersmarter: get one ... you gotta do lobbying :)21:14
ScottKsmarter: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/bug_254468_momentary_video_gar.html21:14
ScottKsmarter: It's dropped in Jaunty.21:14
smarteryup, seen that21:14
ScottKSo perhaps you can point them there.21:15
smarter'kay, I think I've an account on their forum21:15
* ScottK certainly doesn't.21:16
smarterapachelogger: yup I should get one, like I should do $tons_of_other_stuff, if only I didn't have exams...21:16
* smarter feels like high school is a total waste of time21:18
smarterI think we should ask the X guys to test their changes in all the main DEs, or at the very least, those who are supposed to be supported by Canonical21:20
apacheloggersmarter: that feeling increases every year of your life ... once you are old and wise you will know that life itself is a waste of time keeping you from sleeping ;-)21:20
smarterhaha :p21:20
astrommesmarter: It wasn't due to the X guys, it was due to a custom Fedora/Ubuntu patch21:21
smarterastromme: when I mean the X guys, I mean the Ubuntu X guys21:21
smarter*when I say21:21
apacheloggerastromme: the ubuntu xorg guys21:21
ScottKsmarter: Wouldn't have helped in this case anyway as the patch landed over two years ago and didn't affect KDE3.21:21
apacheloggersmarter: KDE 4 was not in the repos by that time21:21
smarterthey should test kde4 anyway :p21:22
apacheloggerScottK: though technically I must say that patches should be subject to ongoing QA21:22
apacheloggerespecially on X level21:22
ScottKapachelogger: I agree.21:22
smarterotherwise we look stupid because we manage to break something that works everywhere else21:22
apacheloggersmarter: we do that all the time :P21:22
* astromme nodes. He didn't get the gist of the conversation21:23
apacheloggerpinotree says so anyway ;-)21:23
ScottKWell the patch has been dropped now, so now we just need to watch it doesn't get put back.21:23
* smarter remember seeing in some xserver-xorg changelog, "patch bla from Fedora: not sure what it does" :P21:23
apacheloggerScottK: by lobbying I suggest21:23
apacheloggerwhich is why I think smarter should get a blog and write about the phoronix forum post ;-)21:23
ScottKPart of why I put it in the PPA is so that we have a clear basis of user experience that adding that patch is a regression.21:24
ScottKI already talked to jr about it too.21:24
apacheloggerwell, now that the patch was removed ... it would pose a regression anyhow21:26
ScottKRight, but I can point to users expressing that removal of the patch made a big difference.21:27
ScottKIt's not just a theory.21:27
apacheloggernini smarter21:29
velroijHi guys, what about having Quassel IRC as default irc program?22:49
ScottKvelroij: It is.22:50
velroijScottK I haven´t been using Jaunty because the hd crashed, and i still need to replace it, so I didnt know off it, I have a nighly build of Quassel now22:52
velroijI am wesley22:52
ScottKWe have recent git snapshots in Jaunty.22:52
ScottKI'm working on a new one now in fact.22:52
ScottKAs of yesterday Quassel is part of kubuntu-desktop.22:52
velroijOh nice, can there be some default settings? Like that i can connect with ubuntu irc ?22:53
ScottKWhen you first install quassel you just need to right-click on the thing called "Kubuntu IRC" and click connect.22:53
velroijThats good, I had to do it myself, but copy everthing from Konversation22:54
ScottKThey will release 0.4 here in about two weeks and we'll get it into Jaunty.22:55
velroijThats cool, because Konversation won´t be there till maby 43?22:56
velroijWhat about kaffeine ?22:56
ScottKKaffeine porting to KDE4 is moving very slowly.22:57
ScottKWe're using Dragonplayer as our default again.22:58
velroijDragonplayer is really good, but missing some features, but performances better the VLC22:58
velroijAnd I like to see Juk as default audio player, Amarok is still a bit messy, and juk is just simple, pop a playlist, buttons and play your music23:00
ScottKAmarok is what we're going with for now.23:01
velroijOh okay, gues that would be fair indeed, still I like the jukbox juk a better player then Amarok23:03
velroijI going skip the release party from kde4.2 in nijmegen23:05
Hobbseewell, i'm very impressed....23:31
Hobbseeshiny :)23:31
* Hobbsee is upgrading it to jaunty for 4.2 goodness.23:40
jussi01JontheEchidna: feel like a game of uno?23:41
JontheEchidnajussi01: nope, I haz stuff to do :(23:42
jussi01JontheEchidna: no probs :D23:42
* jussi01 has only slow internetz and its very annoying...23:42
Hobbseewhy hasn't the usplash been changed?23:43
Hobbseeubuntu's is much more shiny23:43
JontheEchidnalack of artwork I guess23:47
Hobbseeguess we're probably going to grub2 anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point23:48

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