[01:00] <vorian> yay, i have power again!
[01:00] <vorian> anything needs doing?
[01:13] <neversfelde> wb vorian
[01:14] <neversfelde> there is a new version of plasmoid-windoslist, but no changes than my patch in there. Should I bump it to 0.4?
[01:16] <vorian> neversfelde: sure, upgrade it \o/
[01:16] <vorian> neversfelde: when you are done, ping me and i'll take a look
[01:16] <neversfelde> vorian: k, will do it. Should be a bug and not on revu, or?
[01:17] <lex79> vorian 0.3 is in queue I suppose...no?
[01:18] <vorian> ah, so it is neversfelde
[01:18] <vorian> erm lex79 :)
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> o/
[01:18] <ghostcube> hello :) who is doing the openoffice 3 ppa repo ?
[01:18] <lex79> JontheEchidna: o/
[01:18] <vorian> neversfelde: sure, report a bug, then when it is released from new, ping someone
[01:18] <neversfelde> k
[01:19] <neversfelde> gn8
[01:21]  * JontheEchidna just finished shunting a crapload of bug reports over at acpi-support
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> marking dupes where possible, of course ;-)
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> apparently hotkeys don't work to well on thinkpads...
[01:23]  * txwikinger wants a working kernel
[01:23] <lex79> JontheEchidna: when build this plasmoid http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=93235&forumpage=0 with pbuilder I have this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lkworkspace
[01:23] <lex79> :(
[01:26] <lex79> uhm
[01:26] <lex79> vorian: ?
[01:27] <vorian> hm
[01:27] <lex79> :)
[01:27] <vorian> are you using kdebase-workspace-dev as a build-dep?
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> lex79: strange error
[01:27] <lex79> yes
[01:28]  * JontheEchidna turns off the website preview feature of quassel
[01:28] <lex79> vorian yes
[01:29] <vorian> i saw the first time :)
[01:29] <lex79> vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111923/
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> strange, building it with a good old cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .. worked fine
[01:33] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> hmmmmm
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> I have no clue what's wrong
[01:38] <vorian> could be an error with CMakeLists
[01:39] <lex79> there is a cmake warning
[01:40] <lex79> No cmake_minimum_required command is present
[01:40] <lex79> cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.6)
[01:40] <vorian> right, but it is present :)
[01:40] <vorian> 2.6.2 to be specific
[01:40] <lex79> eheh yes
[01:41] <vorian> lex79: can you paste the CMakeLists.txt please?
[01:41] <txwikinger> what sense does it make to swap stuff out to then cache the swap again?
[01:42]  * txwikinger does not get those kernel devs
[01:42] <lex79> CMakeList.txt is strange LoL
[01:42] <lex79> only
[01:42] <lex79> add_subdirectory(src)
[01:42] <lex79> stop
[01:43] <lex79> ah no...moment
[01:43] <lex79> vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/111924/
[01:46] <lex79> target_link_libraries(plasma_applet_smhi plasma kworkspace ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS})
[01:50] <vorian> no idea
[03:29] <rgreening> Sime_: yay. pyQt built against qt 4.5
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9> question on the lcd    *
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>        
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>       Wall
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>     *
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>        
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>       Info
[04:08] <jjesse-dell9> sorry for all the spam, must have hit paste by mistake
[04:08] <jjesse-dell9> sorry again
[04:13] <jjesse-dell9> !kpackagekit
[04:13] <jjesse-dell9> ! kpackagekit jaunty
[04:13] <jjesse-dell9> !help
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> !package
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> !info kpakagekit
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> !info kpakagekit jaunty
[04:14] <seele> !info kpackagekit
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm
[04:14] <seele> !info kpackagekit jaunty
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> trying to get started on some documentation :)
[04:14] <seele> jjesse-dell9: spelled it wrong :)
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> ah i was mispelling
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> its late and im stuck in an airport :)
[04:15] <seele> hehe
[04:16] <jjesse-dell9> seele:  so what brings you to irc at 11pm on a friday night?
[04:21] <jjesse-dell9> ah kde release party
[04:52] <ScottK> seele: I forgot to mention that rickspencer3 was here looking for you after you'd left for the party.
[04:52] <ScottK> Dunno how closely you read scrollback, but he wanted to share something he's started working on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usability/DataCrossWalkMethod
[04:57] <rgreening> o/ ScottK
[04:58] <ScottK> rgreening: o/
[04:58] <rgreening> pyQt builds
[04:59] <ScottK> Build Eric and have it work.  Then I'll think you have something.
[04:59] <rgreening> I still have threading issues. Not sure if it's KDE, Qt or pthread
[05:00] <rgreening> I wonder if it requires a rebuild of KDE against Qt4.5. Theoretically it shouldn't... but Im no expert there.
[05:01] <rgreening> ScottK: Is there an easy way to get the kde builds into my PPA to force a rebuild using Qt4.5 in my PPA? or can that be done?
[05:01] <ScottK> You have to reupload.
[05:01] <ScottK> So upload Qt 4.5 and then upload KDE again after.
[05:02] <rgreening> so to upload kde I need the changes file. does that mean I have to regenerate a new diff/dsc via debuild
[05:03] <ScottK> Yes because you need a higher revision number.
[05:03] <rgreening> k. thats what I thought.
[05:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel is seeded and kubuntu-meta updated so it's on the CD...
[05:04] <rgreening> do you think it may be he issue? kreadconfig segfaults as does kstartupconfig4. They both terminate at the same spot.
[05:04] <rgreening> QThreadStorageData::get with a null pointer causing the crash
[05:06] <ScottK> http://ploum.frimouvy.org/?202-the-signals-and-threads-flying-circus is a long way of saying dunno.
[05:06] <rgreening> heh
[05:07] <ScottK> Riddell: quassel-client and quassel-core need to be demoted to Universe.
[05:07] <rgreening> Monty Python is teh shiz
[05:08] <rgreening> I think I'll try rebuilding KDE. nothing to lose
[05:09] <rgreening> ScottK: should I force a Qt4.5.0 min requirement in kdelibs then?
[05:10] <ScottK> rgreening: Just don't upload KDE until after Qt 4.5 binaries are publised and it shouldn't be needed.
[05:10] <rgreening> ok. qt 4.5.0 are published in my PPA
[05:10] <ScottK> We need to do that for the archive because there's so much skew between the different archs.
[05:26] <ScottK> nixternal: Since I know you're just dieing with anticipation to do the release notes for next week's Alpha, the first two items are:
[05:26] <ScottK> 1.  New on CD - Quassel, it's not just for Universe any more.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> \o/
[05:26] <ScottK> 2. Kmail/Akonadi and Amarok are now co-installable.  You don't have to pick.
[05:30] <rgreening> nixternal: we also need a howto for quassel. ScottK neantioned a blog with a mini howto that could be converted :)
[05:30] <ScottK> It was claydoh what did it.
[05:31] <rgreening> cause I need someone/thing to help me switch from Konveration to quassel
[05:31] <rgreening> heh
[05:32] <ScottK> Well I'm working on updating the package right now, so if you run accross anything, let me know.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> rgreening++
[05:32] <rgreening> ScottK: was konversation droped yet from CD
[05:32] <ScottK> Yeah.  Before Alpha 2.
[05:33] <rgreening> ok. and were we able to get a package of K3B yet from Tonio_?
[05:34] <ScottK> Dunno.
[05:35] <ScottK> For the transition stuff I've been concentrating on Quassel.
[05:35] <ScottK> BTW, the Mandriva packager for Quassel approached me on #quassel recently.  I guess they're considering it now too.
[05:35] <rgreening> ok, Tonio_ has k3b package to upload. It's a snapshot bu works. Last I heard he was working on cleaning up the package. We should be able to get it on the cd
[05:35] <rgreening> ScottK: thats cool.
[05:36]  * ScottK gives apachelogger a good hard thump in the back of the head.  
[05:36] <ScottK> Hopefully hard enough to produce a quasselcore man page that has actual useful information in it.
[05:36] <rgreening> bwahaha
[05:36] <ScottK> Hopefully that will serve as a bug report.
[05:38] <rgreening> uploading all of kde for rebuild by hand is a pain
[05:43] <rgreening> ScottK: will I need more space allocated to my PPA to rebuild all of kde? If so, who do I ask?
[05:43] <ScottK> #launchpad I guess.  Dunno.
[05:44] <ScottK> Option 2 is make a new team with a PPA, have that depend on your PPA and shove the rest in there.
[05:44] <ScottK> rgreening: ^^
[05:44] <rgreening> true dat. I'll wait and see if I run out of space
[08:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: the manpage is from back in the days when quasselcore aint had no useful stuff to talk about
[08:30] <apachelogger> + I don't really care about manpages if they would duplicate --help anyway :P
[08:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: also about the kdeedu stuff ... while I agree with having desktop files in the same package as their binary, this is not the case for most of core KDE, so in favor of not messing around with everything at this point (which would have to be carried to debian as well) including tryexec as a patch and upstream for 4.2.1 seems like the more efficient solution, since marble is really the only desktop file that suffers from a
[08:32] <apachelogger> ->binary chain
[08:36] <apachelogger> any junior packagers around?
[08:48] <apachelogger> Arby: o/
[08:48] <Arby> apachelogger: morning :)
[08:49] <apachelogger> Arby: you probably want to do some easy packaging, don't you? ;-)
[08:49] <Arby> I might do, although reserve the right to change the definition of easy :)
[08:49] <apachelogger> kde-l10n-{tg,bn_IN,mr,mai,kn} need initial package
[08:50] <apachelogger> it's really just taking some other l10n package, copying the debian dir and ensure all references to the language are changed
[08:50] <Arby> ok I can take a look later on today
[08:50] <apachelogger> ok, thx
[08:50] <Arby> where do the tarballs live?
[08:50] <apachelogger> ftp.kde.org
[08:51] <Arby> fine
[08:51]  * Arby goes looking
[08:51] <apachelogger> pub/stable/4.2....
[08:52] <apachelogger> ryanakca: _I_ did?
[08:52] <Arby> found them I think
[08:52] <Arby> yep got em
[09:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't the lang pack installation include downloading kde-l10n-$lang?
[09:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: otherwise one will not have localized data content I think
[10:51] <komuta> hi
[10:52] <Arby> hmm, has anyone had issues trying to run dolphin as root?
[10:52] <Arby> if I run kdesudo dolphin I get this
[10:52] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/112016/
[10:52] <komuta> does anyone know the package maintainers for kde 4.2 repository ?
[10:52] <Arby> komuta: which repository do you mean?
[10:53] <Arby> our packages are maintained by teams
[10:53] <Arby> what is the actual problem?
[10:54] <komuta> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[10:54] <komuta> I upgraded to 4.2 final yesterday
[10:54] <komuta> and while trying to install kde-devel, since I need to build the lastest version of ktorrent...
[10:54] <komuta> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb: Size mismatch
[10:55] <Arby> let me check
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Arby: is one better to run jaunty with 4.2, or use intrepid + that ppa?
[10:57] <komuta> jaunty itself is still alpha isn't it ?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> komuta: oh yes
[10:57] <Arby> Hobbsee: not much in it
[10:57]  * Hobbsee is used to running alpha releases, but hasn't run kubuntu for a while.
[10:58] <Arby> I'm still on intrepid but not for kde reasons
[10:58] <Hobbsee> Arby: stuff's going into jaunty first, then getting backported in that ppa, or?
[10:58] <Arby> Hobbsee: yes
[10:58]  * Hobbsee nods
[10:58] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[10:58] <Arby> komuta: I'm running a test download, give me a few minutes
[10:59] <komuta> thanks
[11:10] <Arby> komuta: seems to be ok here
[11:11] <Arby> are installing from commandline?
[11:11] <komuta> yes, from aptitude
[11:12] <Arby> could you pastebin the terminal output
[11:12] <komuta> apt-get install libpcre3-dev
[11:12] <komuta> Reading package lists... Done
[11:12] <komuta> Building dependency tree
[11:12] <komuta> Reading state information... Done
[11:12] <komuta> The following extra packages will be installed:
[11:13] <komuta>   libpcrecpp0
[11:13] <komuta> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:13] <komuta>   libpcre3-dev libpcrecpp0
[11:13] <komuta> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:13] <komuta> Need to get 355kB of archives.
[11:13] <komuta> After this operation, 848kB of additional disk space will be used.
[11:13] <komuta> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[11:13] <komuta> Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main libpcrecpp0 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 [97.5kB]
[11:13] <komuta> Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main libpcre3-dev 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 [258kB]
[11:13] <komuta> Fetched 259kB in 3s (85.3kB/s)
[11:13] <komuta> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[11:13] <komuta> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcre3-dev_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[11:13] <komuta> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:13] <Arby> komuta for future reference, use pastebins
[11:13] <Arby> !pastebin
[11:13] <Arby> :)
[11:13] <komuta> ok, sorry
[11:14] <komuta> by the way, I'm not the only one in this situation
[11:14] <komuta> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101317.0
[11:14] <komuta> http://forum.kde.org/cant-install-kdelibs5-dev-due-to-size-mismatch-t-29148.html
[11:16] <Arby> ok I was trying to install kde-devel
[11:16] <Arby> just retried with libpcre3-dev
[11:16] <Arby> that also works for me
[11:16] <Arby> I'll have a look at those forum threads and investigate further
[11:16] <Arby> can't do much more right now
[11:16] <komuta> the threads has no more info
[11:17] <komuta> sadly
[11:17] <komuta> just people reporting the problem
[11:17] <Arby> thanks for letting us know
[11:17] <Arby> we'll look into it
[11:18] <komuta> thanks !
[11:18] <stdin> komuta: by the way, are you on i386 or amd64?
[11:18] <komuta> i386
[11:18] <stdin> odd
[11:18] <stdin> very odd
[11:18] <komuta> why is that ?
[11:19] <stdin> because, I don't see why I can download the package but you can't
[11:21] <stdin> the sizes seem to match up here, Size: 97376 Content-Length: 97376
[11:21] <komuta> you mean, donwload it, or install it throuh apt tools ?
[11:21] <stdin> both
[11:21] <komuta> where is stored the size of the file ?
[11:22] <stdin> in the generated Packages.gz and /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-experimental_ppa_ubuntu_dists_intrepid_main_binary-i386_Packages
[11:24] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[11:24] <komuta> yes, really odd
[11:24] <komuta> same size for me
[11:25] <komuta> I'll try to install it manually
[11:25] <komuta> ok
[11:25] <komuta> no problem installing with dpkg
[11:26] <komuta> so this is a workaround, but it doesn't explain the thing
[11:26] <stdin> only apt uses the Packages files/s
[11:27] <Arby> stdin: is it possible that there's some difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[11:27] <Arby> or is it the same backend
[11:27] <komuta> nop
[11:27] <komuta> apt-get got me the same result
[11:27] <Arby> ok, I was jut speculating
[11:27] <Arby> *just
[11:28] <stdin> Arby: I'm pretty sure they both use libapt
[11:28] <komuta> this is really strange, but the packages are valid
[11:28] <komuta> I'll post the workaround to the forum
[11:28] <komuta> besides
[11:28] <komuta> the files seems quite old
[11:29] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 ../libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[11:29] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root     259290 2008-12-17 04:03 ../libpcre3-dev_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[11:31] <komuta> and the http server gives the good size
[11:31] <komuta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/112030/
[11:31] <stdin> komuta: it's in both the -experimental repo and kubuntu-members-kde4, you probably got it from the -kde4 one
[11:32] <stdin> I mean, the timestamp is from the -kde4 one
[11:32] <stdin> (we just copy the packages over)
[11:32] <komuta> Size: 97474
[11:33] <komuta> the -kde4 one also gives a different size
[11:33] <komuta> this may explain the problem
[11:35] <komuta> ok, I think I understand
[11:36] <komuta> both repository have exactly the same version
[11:36] <komuta> Version: 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1
[11:36] <komuta> but not the same size
[11:36] <komuta> now, the problem is, apt tries downloading a package from a repository, and matches its size to another repository
[11:38] <Arby> sounds like the Packages.gz on kubuntu-members-kde4 might be out of date
[11:38] <Arby> would explain the issue
[11:38] <Arby> not sure how we fix that
[11:41] <stdin> Arby: they were build in -kde4, and copied to -experimental. the .debs should be exactly the same
[11:41]  * stdin changes state to "Confused"
[11:42] <Arby> something, somewhere is out of sync
[11:42] <Arby> I just can't figure out what
[11:43] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[11:43] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97474 2008-12-11 23:43 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb.1
[11:44] <komuta> just tried downloading the version from kde4, and I confirm its size
[11:44] <smarter> komuta: tried running aptitude update another time?
[11:44] <komuta> how
[11:44] <komuta> maybe
[11:45] <komuta> I have the warning about the key
[11:45] <komuta> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public keyis not available: NO_PUBKEY 8AD328D8A58BCAE3
[11:45] <komuta> but I don't know which repository
[11:45] <komuta> since I use many ppa
[11:45] <stdin> that one is for ~rvm
[11:46] <komuta> yes
[11:47] <stdin> somehow the debs in -kde4 gained some bytes
[12:48] <Arby> apachelogger: for these l10n packages, in debian/changelog should version be jaunty or unreleased?
[12:56] <Arby> apachelogger: more questions
[12:56] <Arby> apachelogger: 1) there is a build-dep on debhelper >=5, is that right or are we on >=6 now
[12:57] <Arby> 2) do I need to update the 'this package was debianised by ...' line in debian/copyright?
[14:34] <BillyBop> Hi, I've installed kubuntu 9.04 alpha3
[14:34] <BillyBop> I've a big issue with kd.2e
[14:34] <BillyBop> kde4.2*
[14:35] <BillyBop> the main menu does not shows well, only the black frame is visible
[14:35] <BillyBop> what sould be inside does not show up
[14:35] <BillyBop> so it's pretty unusable
[14:35] <BillyBop> :)
[14:35] <BillyBop> problem of graphic driver?
[14:35] <BillyBop> my card is a nvidia 8800
[14:36] <BillyBop> perhaps I sould disable video acceleration, but my xorg.conf is quite empty, I don't know where all the parameters are...
[14:39] <Arby> apachelogger: I've done those l10n packages, got time to review?
[14:39] <Arby> what files do you need me to put where?
[15:30] <nixternal> jjesse: do you use quassel? if so, fancy doing that how-to rgreening is looking for?
[15:44] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I believe so.
[15:44] <ryanakca> apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2008-December/001450.html
[15:55]  * astromme uses quassel
[16:15] <apachelogger> Arby: do you have access to a webserver ... easiest would be to upload dsc, diff, and tar of all the packages
[16:16] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[16:16] <apachelogger> I forgot
[16:16] <apachelogger> Arby: you need to run... make -f debian/rules get-desktop ...before creating the package
[16:16] <apachelogger> otherwise it doesn't contain the desktop files :)
[16:17]  * Arby opens up konsole again
[16:19] <apachelogger> Arby: about those questions: changelog doesn't matter really, but it probably makes sense to delete all entries and make this one the initial one, I didn't do that though ... 1) no, we don't depend on >= 6, not for the l10ns anyway ... 2) if you want, I didn't do it for the last 2 packages  .... in general I would say, the less you change the better it is, since it makes batch editing (which is really the only kind of editing t
[16:19] <apachelogger>  done to kde-l10n) more reliable
[16:20] <Arby> apachelogger: I made a new changelog for all of them
[16:20] <Arby> I'll leave the rest alone
[16:20] <Arby> apachelogger: does this matter?
[16:20] <Arby> svn: URL 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/l10n/bn/messages/extragear-utils/desktop_extragear-utils_guidance-power-manager.po' doesn't exist
[16:21] <apachelogger> Arby: no
[16:21] <Arby> good
[16:21]  * Arby debuilds again
[16:21] <apachelogger> ryanakca: from my point of view upstream should add an option for installing the examples
[16:22] <apachelogger> raping them out of the source tree is not as maintainable as it should be
[16:30] <ryanakca> apachelogger: and, how would one go by doing that? Submit a patch for CMakeLists.txt?
[16:31] <apachelogger> aye
[17:03] <ryanakca> Riddell:
[17:04] <ryanakca> Oops, that was supposed to be a /go <nick>.. *kicks tab*.
[17:14] <Arby> apachelogger: everything you need should be here http://drop.io/lo8nkw8
[17:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: About the man pages I generally agree, but for quasselcore, I think it's useful to have a man page with some actual content.
[17:18]  * ScottK is fixing ...
[17:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: depends on the content really ;-)
[17:18] <ScottK> True.  In my case I wanted the core usage info and it wasn't there.  That's what i'm adding.
[17:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you have time to review the lang packs arby did?
[17:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.
[17:20] <apachelogger> ok
[17:23] <apachelogger> markey: btw, you should checkout choqok
[17:23] <apachelogger> markey: way better than irc twittering :P
[17:25] <neversfelde> and it has support for direct messages now :)
[17:25] <markey> apachelogger: yeah I'm tempted. can it do identica already?
[17:25] <markey> that said, rbot tweeting is perfect for me
[17:26] <smarter> markey: there is identi.ca support
[17:26] <smarter> and kde4.2 notify applet support :]
[17:27] <markey> cool
[17:27] <markey> I know a guy who plans to write a super powerful plasmoid for twitter
[17:27] <markey> that could be cool too
[17:27] <smarter> yup
[17:27] <markey> the existing one is... limited
[17:27] <smarter> bah, Konqueror is saying to me that Ctrl+F shortcut is "ambiguous"
[17:28]  * smarter considers switching to Arora as soon as Qt 4.5 is usable
[17:29] <Sput> yeah that's an old and very annoying konqueror bug :(
[17:30] <smarter> other bugs I'm seeing in Konqueror: sometimes, for no reason, up/down/space/page up/page down/ keys stop working, and I must use the mouse, midly annoying
[17:30] <smarter> but everytime I enter a URL, Konqueror freezes for several seconds, VERY annoying
[17:31] <apachelogger> smarter: I would suppose once 4.5 is in we would switch to kdewebkit
[17:31] <apachelogger> depending on it's quality of course
[17:31] <smarter> arora on the other hand, is blazingly fast to load, even faster than Konqueror with preload enable
[17:31] <smarter> *enabled
[17:31] <Tm_T> smarter: I don't have that slowness, weird
[17:31] <apachelogger> smarter: because it got less bloat :P
[17:31] <smarter> which reminds me that I should update kdewebkit package :P
[17:32] <smarter> which is starting to look creepy too
[17:32] <apachelogger> smarter: and kepas
[17:32] <Tm_T> apachelogger: kdewebkit is not good yet, but hopefully will soon
[17:32] <smarter> there is now 3 libs in it: libkdewebkit, libwebkitkde and libkdenetwork
[17:32] <apachelogger> libkdenetwork? Oo
[17:32] <apachelogger> now that naming is a bit weird I would say :P
[17:32] <smarter> yup
[17:32] <smarter> and putting all of that in the proper binary packages is tricky
[17:33]  * smarter wishes someone would make a KDE integration for Arora, just like Quassel :]
[17:33] <apachelogger> more work it is
[17:33] <rgreening> webkit works better here than khtml. It passes the acid3 test with 100%
[17:33] <apachelogger> +I find arora limited
[17:33] <apachelogger> just like firefox
[17:34] <apachelogger> and arora can't even be addoned
[17:38] <apachelogger> "The only thing PCLinuxOS has going for it, is the plethora of non-Free Software applications they bundle, making the transition from Windows a breeze. Other than that, it’s just a run-of-the-mill-everyday-linux-distro. Nothing special. Certainly nothing on par with Ubuntu. It had its rise to popularity just about half a year ago, but it seems to be slipping, as packages aren’t fully tested, and the common experience overal
[17:38] <apachelogger>  unstable one."
[17:38] <apachelogger> hm
[17:38] <apachelogger> wasn't there like a thread about ubuntu SRU regressions *cough* :P
[17:39] <nixternal> OK, so I have taken some time over the past month, give or take a day, and played with various Audio Players - Amarok, Banshee, Rythmbox, Exaile, and Songbird....the winner is definitely Amarok with either Exaile or Banshee in a DISTANT 2nd
[17:40] <nixternal> I have been using GNOME at work on my workstation because KDE 4 + NVIDIA == suckage...so I played with GNOME audio players...jeesh they aren't that great to be honest
[17:41] <apachelogger> WMP ftw!
[17:41] <a|wen> nixternal: any news in amarok being the best :)
[17:42] <nixternal> it simply amazes me how the amarok people can create such quality with smaller teams than the other players
[17:42] <nixternal> or the lack of corporate backing
[17:43] <a|wen> it is amazing, yes ... you really miss amarok, if you ever have to do without it
[17:43] <nixternal> the amarok internet plugins are 43028408320843028403284302840328 times greater than the other player's plugins to boot...which is what I really enjoy
[17:43] <nixternal> I love Last.fm, and Amarok is the only player that works with it perfectly...the rest don't even come close
[17:43] <apachelogger> that however mostly originated through corporate backing (magnatune)
[17:43] <nixternal> with banshee I had to quit out and restart it after it played like 5 Last.fm songs
[17:44] <apachelogger> last.fm is heavily using the last.fm client's code base, last I checked :P
[17:44] <nixternal> Magnatune is far from corporate backing compared to the likes of Novell
[17:44] <apachelogger> nixternal: novell doesn't put resources to efficient use from my POV
[17:45] <nixternal> apachelogger: depends on the project, but i tend to agree with you there
[17:46] <apachelogger> we don't either TBH ... having at least 4 people work on 20 packages for about a week is rather insane
[17:46] <apachelogger> work on kde-l10n is so much more efficient :D
[17:46] <apachelogger> takes me one night of sleep to manipulate ~50 packages ;-)
[18:10] <ghostcube> ScottK, ping
[18:10] <ScottK> Heya ghostcube
[18:10] <ghostcube> hi man, just wanna say the garbage of xorg is gone :)
[18:11] <ScottK> So you like my update then ..
[18:11] <ghostcube> yep
[18:11] <ScottK> ghostcube: Was Kmail one of the problems you were having?
[18:11] <ghostcube> nah iam on thinderbird cause i love the imap settings there more
[18:12] <ghostcube> :)
[18:12] <ScottK> OK.
[18:12]  * ScottK can't remember who was kvetching about kmail.  I need to get them to test the fix.
[18:12] <ghostcube> heh
[18:13] <ghostcube> ah ScottK btw youre update is coooling my card again to 48 degrees as before
[18:14] <ghostcube> with the kubuntu path it qwas permanent on 50
[18:14] <ScottK> It wasn't a Kubuntu decision to put that in there.
[18:14] <ghostcube> yeaj i know i meant ubuntu
[18:14] <ghostcube> lol
[18:14] <ScottK> K.  Just making sure.
[18:15] <ghostcube> sorry :)
[18:16] <ghostcube> now iam waiting for 4.3 to get a deskop independent dashboard hehe
[18:16] <ghostcube> :D
[18:16] <maco> so is this channel also #kubuntu+1 then?
[18:16] <ghostcube> ?
[18:16] <ScottK> I think there's a #kubuntu-kde4 or some such, but I don't know for sure.
[18:17] <ghostcube> nah its just kubuntu afaik now
[18:17] <ghostcube> not splitted anymore
[18:20] <maco> er, wait so for kubuntu/jaunty questions do i ask here or in #kubuntu?
[18:20] <ScottK> maco: If it's a "Hey, how do I do this, ask in #kubuntu".  If it's "Hey, I think something's broken" ask here.
[18:21] <maco> it's hey i think something's broken
[18:21] <ScottK> And if it's a Jaunty question that's not KDE specific, then #ubuntu+1.
[18:21] <ScottK> Then ask away.
[18:22] <maco> in kmail when i try to sign an email, it says bad passphrase, but it never actually asked for a passphrase to begin with
[18:22] <ScottK> Does your gpg.conf have 'use-agent' in it?
[18:23] <maco> nope
[18:23] <ScottK> Needs that.
[18:23] <maco> its possible this is caused by having both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, since i used seahorse to setup my keys before i started trying this kde thing
[18:23] <ScottK> I'll have to look at GPG and see if that patch got dropped accidentally.
[18:23] <ScottK> Shouldn't.
[18:24] <maco> what's the kde gpg app called?
[18:24] <ScottK> OTOH, if seahorse is manipulating gpg.conf, that's probably a bad thing.
[18:24] <ScottK> kgpg I think, but I don't use it.
[18:24] <maco> check and see if ive got it installed. i didnt have knetworkmanager installed when i was confused yesterday :P
[18:25] <maco> well gpg.conf is blank save a comment that says # FILE CREATED BY SEAHORSE
[18:25] <ScottK> I'm just out the door, so I'll see about helping out when I get back if no one else can.
[18:25] <maco> ok
[18:25] <ScottK> maco: That's a seahorse bug then.
[18:25] <ScottK> Please file that.
[18:25]  * ScottK runs out.
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> maco: the KDE gpg app is called kgpg
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> in a brilliant stroke of originality :P
[18:41] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: isn't that still kde3 ... or have we got a new version?
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> it's been kde4 since I remember
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> it's part of kdeutils so it's not a universe package or anything
[18:42] <a|wen> oh, cool :)
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> :)
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> that being said it looks like it still has a crystal svg icon, hehe
[18:44] <a|wen> hehe ... so 99% kde4 :P
[18:47] <maco> JontheEchidna: yeah i had a friend going "you couldn't remember knetworkmanager? it's kde we're talking about. just tack on a k to everything!" yesterday
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> except now in KDE4 they're going with the abstract names for stuff
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> "Okteta, Plasma"
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> Okular
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> Dragon Player
[18:51] <a|wen> makes it a pain grepping for kde-related stuff :P
[18:51] <ScottK> maco: That correct gpg.conf file you want can be found at /usr/share/gnupg/options.skel.
[18:52]  * maco looks
[18:52] <ScottK> maco: Just copy that one into your .gnupg dir
[18:52] <ScottK> And, of course, rename it gpg.conf
[18:53] <maco> lots of commented things
[18:53] <ScottK> You shouldn't have to change any of them.
[18:53] <ScottK> We patch that file to set use-agent by default.
[18:54]  * ScottK did just check that hasn't changed.
[18:54] <maco> do i have to log out and back in or something after that?
[18:54] <ScottK> gnupg-agent and some other stuff needs restarted, so that's probably the easiest way to do it.
[18:54] <maco> i installed kgpg and then put "use-agent" into gpg.conf and then tried a test message, but no good
[18:54] <maco> ok
[18:55] <maco> ill try that as soon as i figure out how .po's work
[19:03] <a|wen> maco: there is kbabel in kde, don't know if that is what you are looking for?
[19:03] <maco> a|wen: nah, im trying to update some documentation in gnome and cant figure out which files i have to update and which files will be taken care of by rosetta
[19:04] <a|wen> oh, that sounds a bit out of my reach :)
[19:50] <apachelogger> a|wen: kbabel was replaced by lokalize
[19:50]  * a|wen tries to remember that
[20:02]  * a|wen goes sleeping ... nn ppl
[20:43] <ScottK> Do we have anything written on policy for packaging plasmoids?
[20:43] <ScottK> Debian is apparently starting such a thing and collaboration would be handy.
[20:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: not much policy besides naming
[20:44] <ScottK> That'd be something ....
[20:45] <apachelogger> I think we already discussed that though
[20:45] <apachelogger> worth mentioning anyway I guess :)
[20:46]  * ScottK just did ...
[20:46] <astromme> is there an experimental repo for Qt 4.5 for intrepid or for jaunty?
[20:47]  * ghostcube is dreaming of his independent dashboard lol
[20:47] <apachelogger> astromme: not yet
[20:48] <ghostcube> will qt 4.5 be faster then this one now ?
[20:48] <ghostcube> *a
[20:48] <apachelogger> Qt will be heaven on earth 2009
[20:48] <ghostcube> oO eh ?
[20:48] <astromme>  /lol
[20:48] <astromme> I wouldn't say that..
[20:48] <ScottK> astromme: rgreening is working on packaging it. I think it's in his PPA, but not sure.
[20:48]  * Sput waits for kdm not crashing with qt 4.5
[20:48] <apachelogger> :)
[20:49] <apachelogger> Sput: jr says final is already available in the business partner channel thingy
[20:49] <apachelogger> so I suppose they fixed that
[20:49] <astromme> Mmm, it is in his ppa
[20:49] <Sput> well, I'd rather think KDE needs to fix stuff
[20:49] <astromme> Do I take the plunge? lol.....
[20:49] <Sput> well, I tried a week ago or so, and both kde and kwin crashed with git master of qt
[20:50] <Sput> *kdm
[20:50] <ScottK> astromme: Test results I've heard aren't yet great.  I'd not do it outside a VM.
[20:50] <astromme> ScottK: ok, thanks for the heads up
[20:50] <Sput> qt-copy will go 4.5 soon enough though
[20:50] <Sput> so I'd expect a working KDE roughly around Qt's rc release
[20:50] <Sput> oh, I'm talking kde trunk too, not 4.2
[20:52]  * ScottK thought he'd heard the 'working with 4.2' was a release condition for Qt 4.5.
[20:52] <Sput> maybe, I didn't try :)
[20:52] <Sput> KDE 4.2 never made it to my hdd
[20:52] <Sput> there are people claiming that $SOME_VERSION of KDE works with $SOME_OTHER_VERSION with Qt 4.5 too
[20:52] <ScottK> Mine neither (because it's still 4.1.4)
[20:53] <Sput> mine's already 4.2.61 :)
[20:54] <astromme> Sput: which more or less means it's pretty broken atm.
[20:54]  * apachelogger had .60 but eventually went back to 4.2.0 for distro work :P
[20:54] <Sput> astromme: meh, works well enough for me
[20:54] <Sput> plasma-desktop seems to have stopped freezing randomly on this box
[20:55] <astromme> Sput: Yeah, I understand. I was the crazy guy who transferred over to KDE4 with the last 4.0 beta...
[20:55] <Sput> astromme: yeah I switched to 3.9x as my main desktop roughly a month before 4.0.0 was tagged :D
[20:55] <Sput> talk about bleeding edge
[20:56] <astromme> Sput: no kidding. I then did svnbuild for the next 6 months until 4.1 was enough for me.
[20:57] <Sput> KDE is still moving too fast for me to survive being stuck at a release :D
[20:57] <Sput> don't even have a stable version installed as a fallback
[20:58] <ghostcube> btw it would be cool to initiate the cube in kde4 effects by middlemouse
[20:58] <ghostcube> and ctrl alt mouse1 like in compiz
[20:58] <ghostcube> cause this is better then ctrl f11 and then throw it a bit out of functionality
[20:59] <ghostcube> and the edge actions arent acting well you need to push the edges very often till they act as a trigger
[20:59] <ghostcube> :D
[20:59] <smarter> ghostcube: there's a guy working on the cube atm, asks him, not us :P http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/?p=217
[20:59] <ghostcube> :)
[21:00] <astromme> actually, what I really want is zooming with ctrl+mouse (or meta+mouse or something + mousewheel if conflicts appear) rather than ctrl++/-
[21:03] <ghostcube> ok i postet a comment as it seems iam not the only one missing this feature lol
[21:10] <ScottK> libdrm-dev installability got fixed on the ports archs, so in theory we ought to be able to get stuff built there now.
[21:10] <ScottK> Of course we have to retry our way up to KDE.
[21:10]  * ScottK is starting on PPC and mesa....
[21:12] <smarter> hmm, people on phoronix forum are saying that removing the xserver patch that makes garbage on windows improves performance in KDE4
[21:12] <smarter> (and wondering why ubuntu devs haven't dropped it yet)
[21:13] <apachelogger> smarter: blog please
[21:13] <smarter> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=60040&postcount=20
[21:13] <apachelogger> yeah, blog that :P
[21:13] <smarter> I don't have a blog (yet) :]
[21:14]  * ScottK looks at Building amd64 build of kdepimlibs 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 in ubuntu intrepid RELEASE [kubuntu-updates-testing] and wonders why.
[21:14] <apachelogger> smarter: get one ... you gotta do lobbying :)
[21:14] <ScottK> smarter: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/bug_254468_momentary_video_gar.html
[21:14] <ScottK> smarter: It's dropped in Jaunty.
[21:14] <smarter> yup, seen that
[21:15] <ScottK> So perhaps you can point them there.
[21:15] <smarter> 'kay, I think I've an account on their forum
[21:16]  * ScottK certainly doesn't.
[21:16] <smarter> apachelogger: yup I should get one, like I should do $tons_of_other_stuff, if only I didn't have exams...
[21:16] <apachelogger> excuses
[21:17] <smarter> :p
[21:18]  * smarter feels like high school is a total waste of time
[21:20] <smarter> I think we should ask the X guys to test their changes in all the main DEs, or at the very least, those who are supposed to be supported by Canonical
[21:20] <apachelogger> smarter: that feeling increases every year of your life ... once you are old and wise you will know that life itself is a waste of time keeping you from sleeping ;-)
[21:20] <smarter> haha :p
[21:21] <smarter> righto
[21:21] <astromme> smarter: It wasn't due to the X guys, it was due to a custom Fedora/Ubuntu patch
[21:21] <smarter> astromme: when I mean the X guys, I mean the Ubuntu X guys
[21:21] <smarter> *when I say
[21:21] <apachelogger> astromme: the ubuntu xorg guys
[21:21] <ScottK> smarter: Wouldn't have helped in this case anyway as the patch landed over two years ago and didn't affect KDE3.
[21:21] <apachelogger> smarter: KDE 4 was not in the repos by that time
[21:22] <smarter> they should test kde4 anyway :p
[21:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: though technically I must say that patches should be subject to ongoing QA
[21:22] <apachelogger> especially on X level
[21:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: I agree.
[21:22] <smarter> otherwise we look stupid because we manage to break something that works everywhere else
[21:22] <apachelogger> smarter: we do that all the time :P
[21:23]  * astromme nodes. He didn't get the gist of the conversation
[21:23] <apachelogger> pinotree says so anyway ;-)
[21:23] <ScottK> Well the patch has been dropped now, so now we just need to watch it doesn't get put back.
[21:23]  * smarter remember seeing in some xserver-xorg changelog, "patch bla from Fedora: not sure what it does" :P
[21:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: by lobbying I suggest
[21:23] <apachelogger> which is why I think smarter should get a blog and write about the phoronix forum post ;-)
[21:24] <ScottK> Part of why I put it in the PPA is so that we have a clear basis of user experience that adding that patch is a regression.
[21:24] <ScottK> I already talked to jr about it too.
[21:26] <apachelogger> well, now that the patch was removed ... it would pose a regression anyhow
[21:27] <ScottK> Right, but I can point to users expressing that removal of the patch made a big difference.
[21:27] <ScottK> It's not just a theory.
[21:28] <smarter> 'night
[21:29] <apachelogger> nini smarter
[22:49] <velroij> Hi guys, what about having Quassel IRC as default irc program?
[22:50] <ScottK> velroij: It is.
[22:52] <velroij> ScottK I haven´t been using Jaunty because the hd crashed, and i still need to replace it, so I didnt know off it, I have a nighly build of Quassel now
[22:52] <velroij> I am wesley
[22:52] <ScottK> We have recent git snapshots in Jaunty.
[22:52] <ScottK> I'm working on a new one now in fact.
[22:52] <ScottK> As of yesterday Quassel is part of kubuntu-desktop.
[22:53] <velroij> Oh nice, can there be some default settings? Like that i can connect with ubuntu irc ?
[22:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:53] <ScottK> When you first install quassel you just need to right-click on the thing called "Kubuntu IRC" and click connect.
[22:54] <velroij> Thats good, I had to do it myself, but copy everthing from Konversation
[22:55] <ScottK> They will release 0.4 here in about two weeks and we'll get it into Jaunty.
[22:56] <velroij> Thats cool, because Konversation won´t be there till maby 43?
[22:56] <velroij> What about kaffeine ?
[22:56] <velroij> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/kaffeine/
[22:57] <ScottK> Kaffeine porting to KDE4 is moving very slowly.
[22:58] <ScottK> We're using Dragonplayer as our default again.
[22:58] <velroij> Dragonplayer is really good, but missing some features, but performances better the VLC
[23:00] <velroij> And I like to see Juk as default audio player, Amarok is still a bit messy, and juk is just simple, pop a playlist, buttons and play your music
[23:01] <ScottK> Amarok is what we're going with for now.
[23:03] <velroij> Oh okay, gues that would be fair indeed, still I like the jukbox juk a better player then Amarok
[23:05] <velroij> I going skip the release party from kde4.2 in nijmegen
[23:31] <Hobbsee> well, i'm very impressed....
[23:31] <Hobbsee> shiny :)
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:40]  * Hobbsee is upgrading it to jaunty for 4.2 goodness.
[23:41] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: feel like a game of uno?
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: nope, I haz stuff to do :(
[23:42] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: no probs :D
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> :D
[23:42]  * jussi01 has only slow internetz and its very annoying...
[23:43] <Hobbsee> why hasn't the usplash been changed?
[23:43] <Hobbsee> ubuntu's is much more shiny
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> lack of artwork I guess
[23:47] <Hobbsee> mmm
[23:48] <Hobbsee> guess we're probably going to grub2 anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point