[00:00] <the_hammer> i dont like the apt manager
[00:00] <bryan_> Dragnslcr: i just remember there being a commnad to make it easy to restart it
[00:01] <the_hammer> anyone able to tell me?
[00:02] <bryan_> the_hammer: have you tried the apt manager?
[00:02] <the_hammer> yeah and no luck
[00:03] <the_hammer> last time i used linux there was  a manager could point/click and go called symatec or something
[00:03] <ulysses__> the_hammer, Adept Manager?
[00:04] <the_hammer> its like that but called sysmantec or something
[00:04] <khalidmian> if i were to update one item say gwenview do i use sudo apt-get update gwenview?
[00:04] <ulysses__> Synaptic
[00:06] <the_hammer> thanks
[00:14] <the_hammer> how come when i download and save stuff to Desktop i cant see it and how to change it so i can?
[00:15] <komuta> hi
[00:15] <the_hammer> wish can have my plain desktop back
[00:16] <komuta> there seems to be a problem with kde-devel dependencie on the last package update (for 4.2 final I think)
[00:16] <komuta> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb: Size mismatch
[00:16] <komuta> does anyone know how I can contact the package maintainer ?
[00:16] <Dragnslcr> the_hammer- add a Folder View widget to your desktop, and point it to /home/yourusername/Desktop
[00:18] <mefisto__> the_hammer: if you have upgraded to kde 4.2 you could also change the desktop to folder view mode
[00:18] <Dragnslcr> the_hammer- I created a second panel on the left side of the desktop, set it to auto-hide, and put a folder view there that points to ~/Desktop
[00:18] <Dragnslcr> Personally, I like that a lot better than needing to do something like minimize windows
[00:19] <the_hammer> ok
[00:28] <kernco> I had the nvidia 177 driver activated through the restricted drivers manager.  I wanted to upgrade to the 180 driver, so I downloaded it from nvidia and ran their install script.  That didn't work, and now I can't even get back to the 177 driver.  X will only start with vesa.  How can I fix this?
[00:32] <wolv3> what is the windows manager for kde?
[00:32] <mefisto__> kernco: did you remove the 180 driver?
[00:32] <kavurt> how to install pidgin?
[00:33] <kavurt> not in the adept
[00:33] <kernco> mefisto__: How do I remove it?
[00:34] <kernco> kavurt: Open konsole and type "sudo apt-get install pidgin"
[00:34] <mefisto__> kernco: there's probably instructions on the nvidia website you downloaded from
[00:34] <mefisto__> kernco: I don't use nvidia, sorry I can't help
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> wolv3: kwin
[00:35] <kavurt> kernco: it says E: Couldn't find package pidgin
[00:35] <ryxxed> my usb mouse turns off after i restart from windows to kubuntu, i have to replug it, anything i can do it to fix it or?
[00:35] <wolv3> but to edit it
[00:35] <wolv3> i mean like emerald
[00:35] <ryxxed> kavurt: apt-get update
[00:36] <astromme> kernco: Have you checked "Hardware Drivers" in the menu?
[00:38] <niteye> hello there
[00:38] <cbwcjw> astromme: can you test something for me
[00:38] <cbwcjw> !hi | niteye
[00:38] <kernco> astromme: Yes, it doesn't work if I enable the 177 driver again that way
[00:38] <astromme> cbwcjw: What's up?
[00:38] <niteye> i couldnt help but notice that since KDE4, the session is no longer locked when waking up from a suspend
[00:38] <niteye> how do i resolve this
[00:39] <astromme> kernco: even if you uninstall the 177 driver, restart, enable via hardware drivers, restart?
[00:39] <cbwcjw> astromme: run "kdesudo dolphin"
[00:39] <kernco> I'll try that
[00:39] <astromme> works for me, why?
[00:39] <mefisto__> astromme: I think the problem is there are 2 nvidia proprietary drivers installed at the same time
[00:39] <astromme> cbwcjw: what in specific am I looking for?
[00:40] <niteye> also, the translucent effect is horribly slow even on my geforce 9600 GT, and the restricted nvidea driver is installed
[00:40] <astromme> mefisto__: That shouldn't be an issue though... one or the other would be used over vesa, no?
[00:40] <Tom_Servo> kemco: I missed your question, but latest stable nvidia drivers are 180 now
[00:41] <cbwcjw> astromme: for some of us it doesnt work it gives a wierd error: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165268
[00:41] <mefisto__> astromme: I think installing 2 would make a mess of both drivers
[00:41] <kernco> Tom_Servo: My problem is I had the 177 drivers installed through the restricted drivers manager, then I tried to install the 180 driver using the installer from nvidia, and that messed everything up.  Now I can't get back to any working nvidia driver.
[00:41] <niteye> the translucent window being slow isnt catastrphal , but what i'd like to fix first is that when i wake up my computer from suspend (either RAM or disk), the session isnt locked
[00:43] <Tom_Servo> I see. I haven't much luck with any version yet. I'm not trying again until I start using KDE 4.2
[00:44] <mefisto__> kernco: find how the install script removes the downloaded driver, then remove the ubuntu-provided restricted one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481887 then try the install script again
[00:45] <Tom_Servo> Have you tried going into recovery mode to and select repair broken xorg config file, then try again?
[00:45] <sumone> so what's wrong with flash10?
[00:45] <kernco> I've tried running nvidia-xconfig and dexconf to generate xorg.conf
[00:45] <sumone> I can't watch redtube
[00:45] <sumone> I MEANT youtube
[00:45] <sumone> my bad
[00:46] <cbwcjw> !enter | sumone
[00:46] <niteye> sumone: well when i lived with my parents i also had that problem
[00:46]  * astromme will be back soon.
[00:47] <niteye> actually i do still live with my parents, which is why i really need to find out why my session isnt locked after resuming from suspend to disk/ram
[00:47] <sumone> niteye: with my all honesty I don't know what you are reffering to
[00:47] <astromme> niteye: you should be able to adjust it in system settings... lets see, where
[00:47] <niteye> i've looked around but no luck yet
[00:47] <sumone> so flash10 anybody? I am desperate
[00:48] <sumone> I mean firefox needs it
[00:48] <mefisto__> sumone: how did you install it?
[00:48] <mefisto__> !flash
[00:49] <astromme> niteye: System Settings -> Advanced -> Power Management. you need powerdevil. If you have guidance it might be in guidance in your systray
[00:49] <niteye> oh, neat, i completely missed the "advanced" tab :s
[00:50] <mefisto__> sumone: in firefox, go to about:plugins and see if you have shockwave player listed. there should be only one listed also
[00:50] <mefisto__> *shockwave flash
[00:52]  * astromme is leaving for a moment, this time for real
[00:52] <kernco> ok, I fixed my nvidia problem!  Thanks all
[00:52] <mefisto__> kernco: what did you do?
[00:53] <kernco> I did "sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx* && sudo apt-get autoremove", rebooted, then ran the nvidia installer for the 180 driver
[00:54] <sumone> neopmuk is killing my harddrive
[00:54] <kernco> It was that autoremove step that I had been missing.  The DKMS was still around and looking for the 177 driver
[00:56] <sumone> does noeopuke really need to update every nano-second?
[00:57] <thotheolh> Hi.
[00:57] <thotheolh> Is it possible to have konquerer being ported to Windows or something ?
[00:57] <sumone> lol
[00:58] <sumone> thotheolh:  is it possible you start using linux or something?
[00:58] <kavurt> when I install some packages, there appears some "suggested" and "recommended" packages. should I install them?
[00:58] <thotheolh> yes , I am a linux user and I am also a windows user
[00:59] <thotheolh> I like konquerer and hopefully it has a windows port too so that when i am using windows... i have something there
[01:00] <sumone> thotheolh: port that 'something' to linux
[01:00] <thotheolh> I mean konquerer
[01:01] <thotheolh> I have used Firefox and it's a good disappointment on Windows especially FF3
[01:01] <thotheolh> crashes a lot
[01:01] <astromme> O.O
[01:01] <thotheolh> so I am finding something good and fast like Konquerer
[01:01] <astromme> Just when browsing?
[01:02] <thotheolh> yes.... it's pretty surprising to know FF3 crashes all too often on my PC
[01:02] <thotheolh> yes, when browsing , astromme
[01:02] <thotheolh> And it just shuts the entire browser down
[01:03] <thotheolh> I am in the middle of doing some browsing or watching some videos while allowing some tabs to load by themselves and the next moment... no videos to watch , everything crashes
[01:04] <khalidmian> hi i am facing the following issue and am looking for help and assistance thanks - W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60D11217247D1CFF
[01:05] <cbwcjw> khalidmian: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:07] <sumone> hi
[01:08] <sumone> how do I update the icons in the menu after installing programs? nothing shows up except when I reboot
[01:09] <lovre> when i remove an application, the hidden folder in ~/ folder still remains... Its not removed even if i use purge. Its bothering me since im trying out many applications and removeing them, they all leave junk behind...
[01:12] <franc> bonjour à tous
[01:13] <mareto> Hi!
[01:14] <franc> problème, j'ai effacé la partition de kubuntu sous vista pour me faire de la place, lors du demarrage il n'arrive plus à  booter
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> !fr
[01:17] <khalidmian> cbwcjw: thankyou for assistance
[01:19] <khalidmian> cbwcjw: is there a way for me to  erase this command i put some time ago
[01:19] <khalidmian> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:19] <zicada> one day guys, everyone will fathom english
[01:19] <khalidmian> oooooooops
[01:19] <zicada> i will rejoice on that day
[01:19] <zicada> finally
[01:19] <khalidmian> cbwcjw: is there a way for me to  erase this command i put some time ago: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 493B3065 && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[01:19] <RobertM> Ok this is kinda crazzy.  I am using kde 4.x with nvidia drivers and it looks like the alpha channel isn't working right.  Any idea how to fix?
[01:24] <spectral> is it possible to open a kwallet that i have from a backup? kde4.2
[01:27] <spectral> sorry, figured it out - merge wallet
[01:31] <mefisto__> khalidmian: in adept > sources, authentication tab, find that key and remove it with the remove button
[01:35] <khalidmian> mefisto__: ty
[01:36] <cbwcjw> Well, its pretty slow tonight..
[01:45] <mefisto__> yes it is
[01:51] <cbwcjw> mefisto__: Well, I would update the wikipedia pictures for KDE and some applications, but I dont understand how wikipedia does images, ahaha.
[01:59] <Guest24082> una pregunta gente como cambio el nick predeterminado como guest24082 por otro
[02:00] <alberto_> a
[02:00] <alberto_> listo no pregunte nada
[02:02] <cbwcjw> !es | Guest 24082
[02:04] <UberTaco> Hey, anybody else having trouble with the ppa.launchpad repo for the KDE4.2 neon build?
[02:04] <UberTaco> It keeps yelling at me about the public key
[02:05] <cbwcjw> UberTaco: apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:05] <UberTaco> erm
[02:05] <UberTaco> let's assume I'm trying to install it from a vanilla Ubuntu mainline install
[02:05] <cbwcjw> UberTaco: That will make the product key shutup.
[02:05] <cbwcjw> UberTaco: Same thing, that just overwrites the invalid product key. Its because its a PPA.
[02:06] <UberTaco> public key, you mean?
[02:06] <cbwcjw> UberTaco: Haha, yea. I ment public key.
[02:06] <UberTaco> jas
[02:07] <UberTaco> sorry 'bout that
[02:07] <cbwcjw> Tis fine
[02:08] <UberTaco> but yeah, so apt-get upgrade, update, and dist-upgrade will do it?
[02:08] <UberTaco> even from a vanilla 8.10 install?
[02:08] <cbwcjw> Well, you dont actually NEED that.
[02:08] <UberTaco> mainline GNOME, not Kubuntu
[02:08] <cbwcjw> but there might be updates, so who knows.
[02:08] <ncfi1013> i want to do my taxes online. i am running linux. to do my taxes requires windows software/browsers. can someone tell me how to use my user agent switcher or install another browser that supports the online tax websites?
[02:09] <talonstriker> how do you disable the system bell?
[02:09] <raluk> salut
[02:09] <david__> how do i get the proper graphics driver for kubuntu?
[02:10] <talonstriker> for the system bell, in the Notifications section under System Settings, I see nothing to disable the sysbell
[02:11] <jords> Hmm... just did a adept update and it broke my sound. I've traced the problem to an error when trying to load the module snd-hda-intel (I have intel sound): [  189.459653] snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_add_slave   [  189.459675] snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add_slave (in dmesg).  How can I get the drver working again?
[02:11] <cbwcjw> jords: try #ubuntu
[02:12] <jords> cbwcjw: Ok, I will, I am running kubuntu but i guess this isn't releated to the dm
[02:12] <cbwcjw> jords: thats what I figured. #ubuntu probably has more help at the moment, none of our big info people are active
[02:13] <jords> ncfi1013: You can run internet explorer on linux using wine, theres guides around on the net
[02:20] <Sp0tKubuntu> Hi! I have a problem in "KMail", when i fill out settings for connection and fecthing mails, then it tells me my ISP dosent support POP connection, and i know for a fact that it does, but anyways, when i clear settings to fill out a new, then i appears again, unchanged! Like there is a file somewhere there hold these settings! Please help me out here thansk! :-)
[02:20] <franc_> hi All
[02:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> What is plastmascreen used for?
[02:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> CTRL+F12, dosent see what that should be good for
[02:22] <songwind> Sp0tKubuntu: It brings all your widgets to the foreground so you can refer to them without minimizing everything, or edit them, etc.
[02:22] <franc_> I have problem with packages KDE 4.2
[02:22] <franc_> It was not possible to retrieve some of the archives, please try to run apt-get update or use - fix-missing
[02:22] <franc_> :(
[02:23] <franc_> before work
[02:23] <songwind> I just came back to KDE, using 4.2.  Back when I was on 3.5, there was a context menu option to open/edit files as administrator.  Is this possible in Dolphin?
[02:28] <franc_> apachelogger help me
[02:28] <cdavis> can someon tell me how to change the behavior of konqueror to single-click selects all in the url bar and search bar?
[02:30] <Sp0tKubuntu> songwind: Ahh, thanks :-)
[02:31] <songwind> Sp0tKubuntu: No problem. :)
[02:31] <Sp0tKubuntu> :-)
[02:33] <franc_> :'(
[02:34] <franc_> hmm
[02:35] <franc_> packages for Kubuntu are damaged?
[02:36] <songwind> franc_: I did not have any problems like you are describing
[02:36] <songwind> Have you tried switching to a different mirror?
[02:36] <Sp0tKubuntu> Depens on witch packets your fetching
[02:36] <Sp0tKubuntu> Dont get unsupportet packets
[02:36] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thay fuck it all up! :-D
[02:37] <cbwcjw> !language | Sp0tKubuntu
[02:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> I have tryed, tree times today
[02:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> Sorry sorry! :-D
[02:37] <cbwcjw> :)
[02:37] <songwind> franc_: In "Software Sources" you can change the "Download From" drop down bar to show a different mirror.  It might be that the mirror you hit has a problem.
[02:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> Im used to talk dirty :-D Live in denmark :-D
[02:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> Well, off to bed!Nighty night
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[02:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> Jeg sover, smid en besked
[02:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> Whops
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[02:52] <Nomexous> How come I'm not able to select desktop cylinder or desktop sphere in KDE 4.2?
[02:55] <rodrigo_> hola
[02:55] <rodrigo_> necesito ayuda
[02:56] <Nomexous> !es | rodrigo
[02:57] <khalidmian> im looking for assistance on tryingto figure out if i can somehow recover rebuit my xapien inex for adept
[02:57] <khalidmian> inex= index
[03:00] <marcel> please how can i install gas ??
[03:01] <khalidmian> would the comand be sudo recover apt-xapian-index
[03:04] <marcel> ?
[03:06] <wadi> Hi. Im having trouble with flllash on intrepid.
[03:10] <wadi> kubuntu 8.180 kernel 27-11 x86_64 kde 4.02. Flash is messy. Any help?
[03:11] <Dr_willis> 'flash is messy' is a very good way to describe flash
[03:11] <khalidmian> can anyone help me with adept issue i cannotfind answer to
[03:13] <Dr_willis> state the issue and see who knows what khalidmian
[03:14] <wadi> Dr_willis: Funny thing , messy and creative...it's adding pixels to jpl feed ...
[03:14] <syockit> wadi: flash version?
[03:14] <khalidmian> Dr_willis: whenever i try to search for anything in adept it comes out blank i think i may need to reset its indexing
[03:16] <Dr_willis> khalidmian,  perhaps. I never use adept - i cant stand its interface.  So im not even sure where it caches stuff at
[03:16] <syockit> khalidmian: adept is somewhat weird. You may need to toggle the flags (the three icons on the first line) to see things
[03:16] <syockit> khalidmian: toggle off the installed item flag
[03:17] <syockit> khalidmian: otherwise just install synaptic
[03:17] <khalidmian> syockit: i tried with with no avail some one gave to the command allowing me to fix the issue i cant for the live of me remember it
[03:17] <syockit> khalidmian: or if you like console interface, use aptitude
[03:18] <wadi> syockit: 10.0r15
[03:20] <syockit> wadi: actually, the flash problem is too general, and there are many factors that might have caused it
[03:20] <wadi> khalidmian: use aptitude, there's an option "repair broken packages".
[03:21] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: update-apt-xapian-index I think is what you are after..
[03:21] <gorgonizer> should have sudo at the start of that..
[03:23] <ogre> !ttf
[03:25] <wadi> syockit: thanks
[03:25] <syockit> wadi: say that to mr.ogre
[03:26] <syockit> wadi: you can also wade through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree and find similar bugs, and if there are any solutions
[03:27] <Frederick> folks is openarena broken on kubuntu 64?
[03:30] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: thankyou for saving my life and fixing my xapien index
[03:30] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: no problem, sorry it took me so long to find the answer, do you still require the Project Neon repository?
[03:31] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: i dont think ill experiment with that
[03:31] <gorgonizer> ahh, okay,, used it to get the latest Amarok2, which looks pretty good..
[03:32] <khalidmian> i think one can do that by sudo apt-get amarok-kde4
[03:32] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Im bored, so Im updating all the KDE wikipedia articles with newer pictures. ahaha.
[03:32] <khalidmian> or am i wrong
[03:33] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install amarok-kde4
[03:33] <Dr_willis> perhaps
[03:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:33] <khalidmian> lol yes
[03:33] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: that gives you Amarok 2.0.1.1, I am on an SVN version..
[03:33] <khalidmian> whats svn?
[03:33] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: sounds like a mission, I am currently trying remember how to fall asleep..
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[03:34] <Dr_willis> E: Couldn't find package amarok-kde4
[03:34] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: SVN is a version control system used by software developers, it allows people (like me) to test software before it is released..
[03:35] <gorgonizer> and I can test the SVN version whilst keeping Amarok 1.4 installed, which is perfect :)
[03:35] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: What is this "sleep"?
[03:36] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: somethign you humans apparently do, adn other mammals.. personally, I don't think it will catch on ;)
[03:36] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: ahaha!
[03:37] <khalidmian> ah i see sorry i dont think ill be needing that
[03:40] <khalidmian> what would be nice is to have the repos for open office 3
[03:41] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main (I think)
[03:42] <Dr_willis> Given the # of people ive seen in here - with OOo 3 issues.. I will wait. :)
[03:43] <gorgonizer> Dr_willis: tend to use KDE Office myself, but might give it a go at soem point..
[03:48] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Wow! Looking through these screenshots, it took KDE a LOT of tries to get the taskbar right (to its current state)
[03:49] <Dr_willis> I liked the old panel. :)
[03:49] <Dr_willis> then again. I always remiove thigs to make it minimal
[03:49] <cbwcjw> I ment the betas.
[03:50] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: which screenshots are these?
[03:51] <gorgonizer> there was a bit of tomfoolery going on the betas, but it was all good..
[03:51] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_Project
[03:52] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Even 4.1 and 4.0's taskbar I disliked.. but now :)
[03:53] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Im going to replace the last one with the default, however, and make that one have a different caption like "With some customization"
[03:54] <cbwcjw> cbwcjw: Done.
[03:54] <gorgonizer> Yeah, I am very happy with where the Panel/taskbar are now, they were very limited in previous KDE4 incarnations..
[03:54] <Nomexous> Is anyone else not able to select desktop cylinder and desktop sphere for the switch effect?
[03:55] <Frederick> folks I think my apt package is broken can I fix it? http://rafb.net/p/mKX5l533.html
[03:55] <bandit> Anyone here willing to give some help?
[03:55] <cbwcjw> Nomexous: I have been able to. Make sure in system settings -> desktop -> Desktop effects -> general that "Effect for desktop switching" is on Cube/cylinder
[03:56] <Nomexous> cbwcjw: Only desktop cube appears in the list. The other two don't.
[03:56] <Bandit> anyone free?
[03:56] <cbwcjw> Are they enabled in system settings -> desktop -> Desktop effects -> All Effects?
[03:56] <Nomexous> cbwcjw: Yes.
[03:56] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: are the cylinder/sphere effects any good?
[03:59] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: I like them, but I dont do big-time multitasking on my laptop, so I keep 2 desktops with the slide effect
[03:59] <gorgonizer> changed to the cylinder, adn it killed my effects, the little varmint..
[03:59] <cbwcjw> Nomexous: Im not sure then. Try #kde
[04:00] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: Ouch :(
[04:00] <Nomexous> cbwcjw: Thanks.
[04:00] <Bandit> Anyone free?
[04:00] <gorgonizer> and Ctrl+Shift+f12 isn't restarting them (I think that is the key combo to restart them)
[04:00] <cbwcjw> gorgonizer: The KDE articles are underkept on wikipedia
[04:00] <cbwcjw> Bandit: Just ask a question :)
[04:00] <Bandit> can I talk to you in a PM?
[04:01] <cbwcjw> !ask | Bandit
[04:01] <Bandit> keep the conversation
[04:01] <Bandit> ok
[04:01] <cbwcjw> Just ask away, see what happens :D
[04:01] <Bandit> basically... I'm trying to install Cube 2 (sauerbraten) and I have very little (if any) linuc experience
[04:01] <Bandit> linux*
[04:02] <Bandit> I've looked around and nothing on google akes sence about it?
[04:02] <cbwcjw> Bandit: One second
[04:02] <Bandit> np
[04:03] <cbwcjw> Bandit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111943/ Thats copied from a forum post. See if that helps :)
[04:04] <Bandit> ok gimmie a second
[04:04] <Bandit> one problem.
[04:05] <Bandit> I've downloaded it through firefox, and I can't even get it to open the containing file let alone find which directory it;s in
[04:05] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: looks like I will have to reboot to get the effects back..
[04:05] <cbwcjw> Ok.
[04:05] <cbwcjw> Gorgonizer: Go figure.
[04:06] <cagdcorp> Hola..
[04:06] <gorgonizer> cbwcjw: I haven't done enough updates to warrant a restart :(
[04:06] <cagdcorp> alguien habla espanol
[04:07] <cbwcjw> !es | cagdcorp
[04:07] <cagdcorp> excelente gracias..
[04:07] <cbwcjw> de nada
[04:08] <cbwcjw> (its funny, because not only do I not speak spanish but I sent him the thing saying we DONT speak spanish)
[04:08] <Dr_willis> 'No Hoblo'
[04:08] <gorgonizer> I should speak more laguages, but don't..
[04:13] <Dr_willis> Everyone should learn to cuss in at least 5 languages
[04:16] <Saint-Tropez> hello
[04:16] <gorgonizer> hmmm, now I have Amarok and Amarok2, I can play the albums I have which need to be played with each other :)
[04:16] <Saint-Tropez> is it possible to adept KDE 4.2?
[04:16] <gaoC> yes
[04:17] <gaoC> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2
[04:17] <gaoC> follow these instructions
[04:17] <Saint-Tropez> ty gaoC
[04:18] <gaoC> np
[04:22] <gaoC> what's the console command to switch desktops
[04:30] <beachsurfin> i need asian text rendering
[04:30] <beachsurfin> http://bayimg.com/lanlkaABE
[04:31] <beachsurfin> it only displays when i select it with the mouse by double clicking on it...
[04:31] <beachsurfin> this is in firefox...
[04:31] <beachsurfin> it works in other in my kde apps
[04:31] <astromme> works fine for me in kde. oh, firefox?
[04:31] <astromme> dunno, probably some gnome thing. go ask on #ubuntu
[04:32] <astromme> Or just use konqueror...
[04:33] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: whats the command that goes something like sudo apt-get upgarde && update && something
[04:34] <gorgonizer> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:45] <PSiL0> gaoC: ctrl-f1, ctr-f2, etc?
[04:47] <gaoC> yes
[04:47] <underdog_> is there a 'kcontrol' for kde4?
[04:47] <gaoC> her
[04:47] <gaoC> i meant console command
[04:48] <gaoC> what the fs type on the command line for "exfat"
[04:49] <p_quarles> gaoC: systemsettings
[04:50] <gaoC> what
[04:50] <underdog_> can someone tell me if there is a 'kcontrol' for kde4?
[04:52] <p_quarles> gaoC: sorry, highlighted the wrong person :|
[04:52] <p_quarles> underdog_: systemsettings
[04:53] <underdog_> p_quarles: thanks.  much appreciated.
[04:56]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[05:02] <havane2037> show me some respect i have got 112 of iq
[05:03] <Dr_willis> 'we are not worthy!'
[05:05] <cbwcjw> !abuse
[05:05] <eduardo> See you!
[05:05]  * Dr_willis missed any actyual kubuntu related problem.
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> is that all?
[05:08] <tbr281> how can i restore the virtual desktop that opens when using kde 4 for the first time?
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> you mean the window that has desktop icons?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> thats just one of the  Plasmid applets you can run.. i forget its name..  set to show the desktop directory
[05:09] <cbwcjw> !info nexuiz
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> Desktop Foler or Folder View I think.
[05:09] <cbwcjw> Bandit: There you go :)
[05:10] <Bandit> THANKS :0
[05:10] <tbr281> yes
[05:10] <Bandit> oops... caps
[05:10] <tbr281> i want to make kde4 look clean and neat since i updated to 4.2
[05:11] <Dr_willis> I just reset all my kde settings to get the 'default' 4.2 look... then started removing things. :)
[05:11] <tom__> system control center appearance background
[05:13] <tom__> well for ubuntu 8
[05:14] <cjae_> !firewall
[05:15] <cjae_> kubuntu have ufw enabled by default?
[05:15] <cjae_> !ufw
[05:15] <cbwcjw> !info ufw
[05:15] <cbwcjw> cjae: :)
[05:16] <cjae_> cbwcjw: on by default?
[05:18] <cbwcjw> cjae_: Im not sure. Google?
[05:18] <cjae_> there right now
[05:18] <gigabyte> has anyone tried kde 4.2?
[05:18] <cbwcjw> gigabyte: a lot of us have, including me.
[05:18] <cjae_> gigabyte: yes it is nice
[05:18] <gigabyte> is it stable?
[05:18] <cbwcjw> gigabyte: Yes, far less issues
[05:18] <gigabyte> does anyone know how to download files without having to share them or seed them?
[05:19] <cjae_> worth installing fixes many bugs and lets move panels and such
[05:19] <gigabyte> mine is still downloading
[05:19] <cjae_> release notes kde 4.2 kubuntu in google
[05:20] <cbwcjw> gigabyte: Im not sure what you mean, but wget in the console works: e.g. "wget http://mxclan.org/ss.png" downloads my screenshot page to the current directory
[05:20] <cjae_> torrents gigabyte
[05:21] <gigabyte> im installing by apt-install
[05:21] <cbwcjw> cjae_: torrents are definitley file sharing.
[05:21] <cjae_> right but didn't know you anything else that has seeds and such
[05:21] <cjae_> -you
[05:22] <sandGorgon> imho Adept is not very good compared to Synaptic... cant wait for PackageKit
[05:22] <cjae_> adept sucks
[05:22] <cbwcjw> cjae_: You can definitley get the IPs of the seeders and their clients.
[05:22] <cbwcjw> sandGorgon: I like adept though, at least its lightweight and nice. But yea, synaptic is superior
[05:23] <sandGorgon> cjae_: what do you use for package management?
[05:23] <cjae_> history in synaptic is nice
[05:23] <cjae_> sandGorgon: adept just because I want my install light as possible
[05:24] <cjae_> if adept doesn't have cli
[05:24] <cjae_> that should say ...cli
[05:25]  * cjae_ hates eating onions cause the after smell sucks
[05:26] <cjae_> cbwcjw: are you saying apt uses seeders?
[05:26] <sandGorgon> wasnt there apt-torrent or something?
[05:27] <cjae_> ?
[05:27] <cjae_> sounds dumb
[05:28] <sandGorgon> cjae_: imagine the number of people pulling in updates through apt... the bandwidth requirements can be halved and quartered if we can use apt on a bittorrent protocol
[05:29] <cjae_> right
[05:30] <cjae_> but torrents sometimes go slow too like when ppl ask the above questions
[05:30] <cjae_> can I just leech all day everyday
[05:31] <sandGorgon> usually, if apt is used with torrent, there will be a couple of dedicated seeders - which are the same sites that you now directly download from
[05:31] <cjae_> unless you live in the USA I cannot see why you would want to do that, $200,000 dollar fine = not cool
[05:31] <sandGorgon> fine?
[05:32] <cjae_> I mean with other torrents
[05:32] <sandGorgon> ahh...
[05:32] <cjae_> got side tracked
[05:32] <sandGorgon> damn, does anyone have OO 3.0 working in KDE 4.2 - I cant seem to get it through adept ?
[05:33] <cjae_> only 2.4 here
[05:33] <gmathews> Ater opening the hardware driver in Kubuntu after a fresh install and choosing to update the recommended driver (Nvidia) nothing happens after it finishes downloading it
[05:33] <cjae_> anything special about 3.0
[05:34] <gmathews> sandGorgon: try www.mirror.ac.za to dowload OO
[05:34] <gmathews> the deb one - then install it
[05:34] <sandGorgon> cjae_: i had 3.0 on my other machine where I created a doc, and now it looks all funny
[05:35] <sandGorgon> gmathews: any way to get it through adept - i dont want to miss out on updates
[05:35] <gmathews> sandGorgon: It is not on adept nor synaptic
[05:35] <gmathews> the latest version is on mirror.ac.za
[05:36] <sandGorgon> gmathews: i could add the ppa repositories to synaptic and get them through that. i dont seem to be able to do that in KDE tho
[05:37] <gmathews> hmm that is weird. I am using Kubuntu for the first time myself
[05:38] <gmathews> Going to try the mirror.ac.za way
[05:39] <gmathews> is it okay to cancel an update in adept (during its downloading phase)
[05:39] <gmathews> or will that need purging etc
[05:40] <cjae_> sandGorgon: http://osdir.com/ml/kubuntu-users/2009-01/msg00106.html
[05:40] <gmathews> whats the command line to get the nvidia driver
[05:41] <gmathews> for kubuntu 8.10 - nvidia driver
[05:41] <cjae_> apparently you can install the one from debian without issue
[05:41] <sandGorgon> gmathews: i think it is "nvidia-glx-177"
[05:41] <gmathews> this thing is disappointing - It downloads the driver but nothing happens - nothing is activate wtf ;/
[05:42] <sandGorgon> why dont you do it thru the gui "hardware drivers" in settings
[05:43] <gmathews> sandGorgon: That is where I am doing it
[05:43] <gmathews> It gave me two drivers - after clicking on activate - it downloads the driver
[05:43] <gmathews> then it finishes but it is not activated wtf
[05:44] <sandGorgon> hmm... then it probably is not installing check your /var/logs
[05:45] <gmathews> nothing in /var/logs
[05:45] <gmathews> maybe a restart is required
[05:46] <gmathews> who knows
[05:46] <cuznt> the shadow knows
[05:46] <cuznt> !nvidia
[05:48] <cuznt> !botsnack
[05:48] <cbwcjw> ahahaha!
[05:55] <cbwcjw> So quiet :(
[05:56] <sandGorgon> has anyone tried out the 2.6.28 kernel ?
[05:56] <cbwcjw> Has anybody tried out ext4?
[05:56] <cbwcjw> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/01/super-fast-ext4-filesystem-arrives-in-ubuntu-9-04.ars
[05:57] <sandGorgon> hmm... it was added to the 2.6.28 kernel , right?
[06:00]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[06:01] <kids> I'm having trouble. All of a sudden my display changed to 800X600 and when I go into the display settings, it only lists 800X600 as the max size, but I was running 1024X768 in xubuntu. Any ideas?
[06:04] <cbwcjw> kids: Considiring its 1 AM, try asking in #kde or asking around a better time for everybody :) sorry :( I wish I could help
[06:05] <kadin> Hey #kubuntu, I have a problem
[06:05] <kadin> KControl doesn't seem to work, any ideas
[06:05] <kadin> ?
[06:09] <cbwcjw> nobodys really here :(
[06:10] <sandGorgon> i'm building something and i get "X11 headers/libs are not available". what should i install ?
[06:34] <etfb> I notice the new Adept in KDE4 doesn't have a scrollable history, just a single label that gets updated as it installs each component.  Isn't that a bit, you know, retarded?  Who made that decision?
[06:37] <etfb> And where are the icons in the Adept browse list?  They don't even have one for Firefox!
[06:38] <beachsurfin> the multiple Adepts confuse me
[06:38] <stdin> if you have a support question, ask it.
[06:38] <beachsurfin> okay, which adept do you use to search for new software?
[06:38] <beachsurfin> adept installer or manager?
[06:38] <stdin> manager
[06:39] <beachsurfin> what's the diff between the two?
[06:39] <etfb> It's a hell of a support question: has there been some kind of disaster among the KDE 4 developers that means there's no testing being done of the UI stuff before they release it?  I want to know if I should continue to use 8.10 or go back to 8.04 based on that.
[06:39] <stdin> installer only shoes common application. manager lets you manage all software packages
[06:40] <stdin> etfb: adept is not KDE
[06:40] <beachsurfin> another question high on importance: is there a way to recall or bookmark songs that have streamed in amarok? i've rated some of the songs playing from a radio station but i don't know how to recall them..
[06:41] <etfb> stdin: And yet, coincidentally, the Adept in KDE4 is not the Adept in KDE3.  The KDE3 one isn't broken, for a start.
[06:41] <stdin> etfb: actually, they are both broken
[06:41] <stdin> but adept is not part of KDE
[06:41] <etfb> stdin: If the primary system for installing and updating all software in KDE isn't part of KDE, what is?
[06:42] <etfb> Is it the Kubuntu maintainers I should be bitching about then?
[06:42] <stdin> the closest thing in KDE is KPackage manager. and you should be bitching to anyone as adept is being scrapped
[06:43] <hendershot> if your using a kde desktop the chances are that adept is a KDE program
[06:43] <etfb> beachsurfin: When I stream songs from internet radio stations, Amarok considers the entire station to be one "song"... that conveniently changes its name every 3 minutes or so.
[06:43] <hendershot> if not then use synaptic
[06:43] <beachsurfin> etfb: argh, i really enjoyed those tracks
[06:44] <etfb> beachsurfin: Now that you mention it, there must be some app that connects to streams and gives better than minimal functionality.
[06:46] <beachsurfin> amarok2 is supposed to have support for some music server sharing service (don't know the name right now).. you can stream songs and share playlists w/ others easily using the program.. anyway.. maybe that's something to check out when i figure out the name
[06:46] <stdin> beachsurfin: try asking in #amarok
[06:47] <etfb> Right.  Installed KDE4.2.  Let's see if it's less stupid.  I had three days of 4.1 and I was ready to upgrade to AmigaOS.
[06:47] <beachsurfin> stdin: i have
[06:47] <beachsurfin> for 2-3 days now
[06:47] <beachsurfin> nothing
[06:47] <beachsurfin> not even a response
[06:48] <stdin> beachsurfin: try the forum then http://amarok.kde.org/forum/
[06:48] <beachsurfin> ah
[06:49] <beachsurfin> i'll do that
[06:58] <maco> if i want to make my gtk apps look not-ugly in kde, how would i do that?
[06:59] <maco> right now, they look like gtk1
[06:59] <cbwcjw> maco: its pretty late, so most helpers arent active
[07:00] <cbwcjw> maco: however, give me a moment
[07:01] <maco> eh was worth a shot. scottk mentioned at the kde 4.2 release party tonight that he knew of a theme that worked but couldn't remember it's name at the time
[07:01] <stdin> maco: try installing gtk-qt-engine
[07:01] <cbwcjw> maco: i had a good theme earlier let me find it
[07:01] <maco> i have it installed
[07:01] <cbwcjw> http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[07:02] <stdin> maco: you should be able to configure that from system settings -> appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts
[07:02] <cbwcjw> sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-qtcurve that theme integrates well
[07:03] <maco> stdin: i looked in there, but no matter what i set, the gtk apps aren't changing
[07:03] <maco> for some reason, my apostrophe key keeps typing backticks unless i hit altgr with it as well...will have to figure out which kbd layout is right
[07:04] <maco> does it make a difference if i have gtk-qt-engine or gtk-qt-engine-kde4?
[07:04] <stdin> gtk-qt-engine-kde4 just installs gtk-qt-engine
[07:04] <cbwcjw> maco: im not sure.
[07:04] <maco> ok, i figured it was a transitional package
[07:08] <cbwcjw> maco: I personally use qtcurve
[07:08] <maco> cbwcjw: thanks, that webpage helped. the qtcurve one works
[07:08] <cbwcjw> maco: awesome.
[07:11] <maco> OH wait
[07:12] <maco> it only affects gtk apps that weren't opened yet when the gtk theme was set
[07:12] <stdin> yeah, you need to restart all GTK apps
[07:12] <maco> so what actually happened is that i started pidgin after setting a gtk theme, while my terminators were open before i set the gtk theme
[07:12] <stdin> and possibly logout/in
[07:13] <maco> logout wasnt needed, just have to quit the apps and reopen them
[07:13] <maco> though you have to do that each time the theme is changed, which makes it a little annoying to test how it looks
[07:13] <etfb> Just upgraded to KDE4.2 and Oh. My. Gods.  It's so much better it's like a new OS.  Anyone discovering that Kubuntu 8.10 is unusable?  Upgrade to KDE4.2.  It's suddenly like a real computer again.
[07:14] <maco> haha
[07:14] <maco> yeah, im using 4.2 now and its much nicer than hardy's kde4 (sorta skipped intrepid)
[07:15] <maco> i might actually switch off of gnome...still a little rough around the edges (try removing the window list plasmoid and the system tray and clock get HUGE) but usable
[07:15] <maco> anyway, gotta restart the terminal im in in order to have scrollbars
[07:17] <etfb> Was kind of worried when it randomly shut down on me... turns out I'd run out of battery power.  Just need to configure the warnings...!
[07:18] <etfb> Hey, that's odd.  I select "Restore" in the batter monitor icon and nothing happens, but the item in the menu changes to Minimize.  Oh, hang on, it worked that time.  I remember it never did in 4.1...
[07:19] <etfb> Yep, 4.2: the first working version of KDE since 3.5.  At last!  I was dreading having to rebuild the whole thing and go back to Hardy...
[07:23] <SilentDis> how do i set the DNS servers for network manager, but still have it get a dynamic IP and other info?  Kubuntu 8.10
[07:24] <SilentDis> !dns
[07:25] <SilentDis> that's no help ubottu, you have failed me :(
[07:28] <sumone> I just spotted an outrageus spelling mistake on edubuntu's page
[07:29] <sumone> somebody in ubuntu needs some education
[07:29] <Mamarok> sumone: English page?
[07:29] <sumone> yes
[07:30]  * etfb imagines SilentDis pressing a button on his desk and watching ubottu fall into a shark tank
[07:30] <sumone> that's hell'uv hilarious
[07:30] <etfb> SilentDis: What are you trying to do with your DNS?
[07:30] <Mamarok> on the Webpage I Guess?
[07:30] <etfb> sumone: What's the error?
[07:30] <sumone> and it's bulleted in bold letters!!!!
[07:30] <sumone> wtf!!
[07:31] <SilentDis> etfb: my ISPs DNS has been wonky for a few days now (alltel EVDO, they're migrating us into the verizon network due to buyout), and I'd like to switch over to the OpenDNS servers
[07:31] <etfb> SilentDis: Ah, but you still want everything else local to work.  Can't you change the settings in your router?
[07:32] <Mamarok> sumone: just tell me where please
[07:32] <SilentDis> etfb: no router.  computer - USB cable - EVDO cellphone (acts like a modem on ppp0)
[07:33] <sumone> Mamarok: ha ha ha, let's see if you can find it!!
[07:33] <etfb> SilentDis: Congratulations - you just exceeded my skill level.
[07:33] <SilentDis> etfb: i should say, on /dev/ttyACM0
[07:33] <SilentDis> lol
[07:33] <sumone> use spell * I guess
[07:33] <etfb> sumone: edubuntu.com?
[07:34] <SilentDis> etfb: basically, i just need to set static dns on ppp0 in network manager.
[07:34] <sumone> yes
[07:34] <sumone> ok I'll tell you
[07:34] <sumone> http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[07:34] <sumone> the third bullet says Managable
[07:34] <sumone> wtfffffffff!!!
[07:35] <etfb> Yep; saw it before you said it.
[07:35] <sumone> whoever wrote that page should get his ass fired
[07:35] <legate> !language | sumone
[07:35] <stdin> !ot | sumone
[07:35] <Mamarok> sumone: you never make typos?
[07:36] <sumone> not in english and less if it's supposed to be professional
[07:36] <Mamarok> thanks for telling, will talk to the Edubuntu folks right now.
[07:36] <etfb> sumone: Go to #edubuntu and see if a user named highvoltage is around.  Web stuff is apparently his baby.
[07:36] <Mamarok> oh, somebody perfect ;)
[07:36] <Mamarok> etfb: talking to him
[07:36] <sumone> Mamarok: let's see how fast they correct it :D
[07:36] <etfb> Mamarok: Hey, I'm perfect to you no!
[07:37] <Mamarok> sumone: depends of the time of the day for the person who can actually change it, and now behave and be nice please
[07:38] <etfb> On the one hand, it's a trivial thing scarcely worth the bytes already expended.  On the other hand, it comes just above the section talking about how Canonical can help you if you're not fluent in English...  Irony is a bitch.
[07:38] <sumone> exactly
[07:38] <sumone> Managable
[07:38] <sumone> oO
[07:38] <stdin> please keep this channel on-topic
[07:39] <etfb> sumone: And beware Muphry's Law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
[07:39]  * sumone tries hard not to rant
[07:39] <sumone> what, helping ubuntu is ot?
[07:39] <stdin> last warning
[07:39] <sumone> off-topic?
[07:40] <etfb> sumone: It's OK, I understand.  I work with programmers who insist on defining "dependancies" in the common source code.  But ultimately, it's better to just take notes of this stuff, find out who to talk to (as you've done) and then be calm.
[07:40] <sumone> Managable
[07:40] <Mamarok> sumone: making fun of other peoples mistakes is not acceptable
[07:41] <etfb> Mamarok: Unless they're Microsoft's mistakes.
[07:41] <stdin> sumone: actually, discussing the edubuntu website IS offtopic
[07:41]  * etfb hurriedly thinks of someting ON-topic to say
[07:41] <Mamarok> etfb: nope, neither, we are educated and nice people here only
[07:42] <etfb> Mamarok: That's not just nice; it's saintly.  I am in awe of your loveliness.
[07:42] <SilentDis> and the blade falls, there is a momentary intake of breath, a shocked expression, then peace and civility is restored to the land.
[07:42] <stdin> I'll ask again, keep this channel on-topic
[07:42] <etfb> KDE4.2 question: someone mentioned a while ago a way to get rid of that bloody "cashew" on the top left of the screen.  It annoys me; how do I kill it?
[07:42] <Mamarok> nice, now he is trolling in #edubuntu :(
[07:43] <spawn57> etfb: I wish I could get rid of that thing too ..
[07:44] <SilentDis> i ended up going to 4.2 out of experimental, the cashew is a lot lighter now... not sure if it's just me but it's a lot less visible, only there when you need it.
[07:44] <etfb> SilentDis: So humour a KDE4 newbie here: when DO you "need" it?
[07:45] <SilentDis> etfb: i run with my widgets locked.  while duplicate functionality from right-click, i do use it to unlock them and move them around from time to time.
[07:45] <etfb> Wait, no, cancel that.  The ability to add new themes from Teh Intarwobs.  Worth the price of admission!  Cool!
[07:46] <SilentDis> etfb: rofl click and ye shall receive!
[07:46]  * SilentDis continues to bang head against network manager
[07:49] <Strog_> hi
[07:50] <SilentDis> Strog_: no i'm not.  oh, the greeting, not my state.  hello! :D
[07:51] <Strog_> i want to install kubuntu 8.04 on an elder laptop, and when i come to the main menu with all the GUI, the laptop's mouse and keyboard doesn't respond to it. and when i insert an elder version of kubuntu everything works fine
[07:51] <Strog_> y?
[07:52] <SilentDis> Strog_: 'elder'?  do you mean an older computer?
[07:52] <Strog_> older laptop
[07:52] <Strog_> thanks
[07:53] <SilentDis> Strog_: could you give us a basic rundown of the system's configuration?  memory, processor, drive space, vid card type of thing?
[07:53] <Strog_> cpu is a p4
[07:53] <Strog_> ram 256mb
[07:54] <Strog_> no interesting graphic card
[07:54] <Strog_> HD: 60GB
[07:54] <SilentDis> Strog_: ahhh, i believe you're a bit light on memory.  iirc, 8.10 needs 512mb to run off the CD, 256 when installed.  could someone correct me if i'm wrong on that?
[07:55] <Strog_> im using 8.04
[07:55] <Strog_> or does ubuntu use less ram?
[07:56] <SilentDis> Strog_: xubuntu is the 'light' version that uses very little ram... you can run off a hard drive with 256mb if i'm not mistaken, as well (use the alternate CD to install).  i'm checking right now...
[07:57] <Strog_> ok
[07:57] <etfb> Strog_: I installed xubuntu on a slow old PC for my 10-year-old daughter.  It was usable, but I gave her a bit more RAM and the latest Kubuntu and she was happier.
[07:57] <Dr_willis> Been playing with that LXDE desktop also. lighter then xubuntu.. but i dont care much for it.
[07:57] <Dr_willis> xfce is nice in ways.. annoying in nothers
[07:57] <Strog_> etfb: what is the ram size that you had before and after?
[07:58] <SilentDis> Strog_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[07:59] <SilentDis> Strog_: basically, 700mhz processor, 384mb ram, and 8gb disk space will be your 'baseline'.  you should be able to get the machine working on less ram, but you'll need to use the alternate cd to do the install
[07:59] <Strog_> well the laptop meets all the requirements
[07:59] <Strog_> ok
[07:59] <Strog_> unterstood
[07:59] <etfb> etfb: No idea - too long ago.  Less than a gigabyte, certainly.  It was a Pentium II, I think
[08:00] <SilentDis> Strog_: you said before you have 256mb ram.  i'm betting the LiveCD needs to load too much into memory to get the whole thing going.
[08:00] <etfb> Strog_: That's a good point.  Live CDs use a gigabyte for a RAM disk if they can.
[08:00] <SilentDis> Strog_: the Alternate CD would probably suit you better on that, you'll be able to install and use it, albeit a touch slow at times.
[08:01] <Strog_> SilentDis: but how is it for me possible to install an older version of Kubuntu live version?
[08:01] <SilentDis> Strog_: i would recommend setting up at least a 2gb swap partition too.  I set mine to 5gb (enormous disk and i like to play with virtual box) :)
[08:01] <Strog_> understood
[08:02] <SilentDis> Strog_: the whole concept behind ubuntu in general is 'latest greatest all rolled together every 6 months'.  i'm assuming parts of said 'latest and greatest' are a bit large now heh
[08:02] <Strog_> ok
[08:03] <SilentDis> Strog_: there's the 'bulletproof x windows' and all the desktop effects stuff and network manager and so on and so on and so on... lol
[08:04] <Strog_> understood
[08:04] <Dr_willis> 'bulletproof x windows' I thought got shot in the head? :) ya dont hear that mentioned much any more
[08:04] <Strog_> i'm downloading the alternate versions and get back to you later
[08:05] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: did it?  i've not kept up on all the new pretty stuff as of late.  well, other than 4.2 from experimental that i'm really really liking :)
[08:05] <Dr_willis> Yea. if X failed to start a few times - i recall  a release or 2 ago.. it would 'go into bullet proof x mode' but to be honest.. it dident ever work prperly for me
[08:06] <SilentDis> Strog_: another option is to install 7.10, upgrade to 8.04, then upgrade again to 8.10.  not exactly pretty, but it'll work.  you'll probably save yourself some time if you do just grab the alt cd lol
[08:07] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: the most i've seen mine do is drop to the standard VESA driver when i was futzing with the nvidia driver :)
[08:08] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: part of it made it in.  the xorg.conf is tiny now, i assume that was part of the push with that project.  it apparently gathers it all on the fly now.
[08:08] <Dr_willis> X auto-configures for hte most part.
[08:08] <Dr_willis> works decently well.. for 90% of the people. :)
[08:09] <Dr_willis> but that other 10%  thats  the problem
[08:09] <Strog_> SilentDis: i need to get the images anyway
[08:09] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: same boat with network manager for me.  it works great... except when i go to customize something >.<
[08:10] <Strog_> btw what is the window manager called from xbuntu?
[08:10] <Dr_willis> people expext too much automation with the network settings. :) and now they got it.
[08:10] <Dr_willis> xubuntu = xfwm
[08:10] <Dr_willis> i think
[08:10] <Strog_> ok
[08:10] <SilentDis> i thought the mouse was XFCE?
[08:11] <SilentDis> !xubuntu
[08:12] <SilentDis> there we go :)
[08:22] <beachsurfin> do i need to "source ~/.bashrc" each time i log in?
[08:22] <stdin> bash does that for you
[08:22] <Dr_willis> beachsurfin,  no you should not.
[08:23] <Dr_willis>  bash shell reads .bashrc / .bash_profile and /or .profile  depending  on how things are setup
[08:26] <david__> Hi, I am currently trying to install Kubuntu on my laptop, I have an Acer Aspire 3050, 3gb of RAM, fully updated BIOS and all the necessary things required to properly install and update a computer, however when I select either "Try Kubuntu live on your computer" or "Install Kubuntu" I end up getting a solid black screen with nothing, the same happens to me while running the install in Text Mode
[08:27] <david__> any ideas as to how I can make this work?
[08:27] <SilentDis> david__: had this with my GF's machine.... have you tried pressing and holding a key during the boot, such as the down arrow?  not sure why that works, but it did on her computer.
[08:27] <david__> during the boot of the BIOS?
[08:27] <SilentDis> david__: during the boot off the liveCD
[08:28] <david__> let me try that
[08:28] <SilentDis> david__: she also has an acer laptop, which is why i thought of it heh
[08:29] <david__> no, nothing appeared
[08:29] <david__> after i recieve the boot menu and select the Live Boot, i still have the solid black screen
[08:30] <david__> as opposed to the Kubuntu Loader
[08:32] <SilentDis> david__: i'm just not sure.  altCD mayhap?  just to see if it loads?
[08:32] <david__> I used the CD on this computer to test it
[08:32] <david__> works perfectly fine
[08:32] <david__> that was one of the first things i thought of
[08:33] <SilentDis> david__: i meant, use the Alternate CD instead to try?  (there's a Desktop CD and Alternate CD)
[08:33] <david__> I tried that as well
[08:34] <SilentDis> david__: wubi?
[08:34] <david__> once it is installed I still get the solid black screen when the OS is booting
[08:34] <SilentDis> ahhh
[08:34] <david__> I tried wubi as well
[08:34] <david__> same result
[08:35] <SilentDis> david__: other than a missing /boot, and/or grub gone wonky, i'm not sure what else it could be.
[08:36] <david__> I know that is not the issue though since I used the same install disk on this computer
[08:36] <xanax`> do the gpg keys for the "http://ppa.launchpad.net IntrepId" reposItory work now ? I stIll get an error. How to fIx that ?
[08:37] <xanax`> I am tryIng to Install kde 4.2
[08:38] <beachsurfin> thanks stdin, Dr_willis
[08:38] <beachsurfin> is http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/ still current?
[08:39] <beachsurfin> i'm working on skim while kde-devel and kde-devel-extras is installing
[08:39] <beachsurfin> i had used that site previously on 7.10
[08:39] <beachsurfin> it was the only way i had scim to work..
[08:42] <beachsurfin> brb
[08:49] <Dr_willis> ive never uses scim..
[08:49] <Dr_willis> only time ive messed with it.. is when i twas running when i dident want it to.. so had to remove it
[08:59] <palbuddy> newbie question.  I installed firefox, but I can run it from the command line, but it's not in my nifty menu items
[09:00] <palbuddy> how can I make it so it's there?
[09:00] <Dr_willis> logout/back in --perhaps
[09:01] <Dr_willis> some tmes the menus dont get updated properly  till a logouit
[09:01] <Dr_willis> or some other way 'refreshed'
[09:01] <palbuddy> oh okay!
[09:01] <palbuddy> thanks!
[09:02] <palbuddy> also how do I update the default amarok to the newist amarok 2.whatever
[09:04] <xanax`> palbuddy : isn't it listed in synaptic ?
[09:06] <palbuddy> no
[09:06] <palbuddy> well one sec here
[09:06] <xanax`> in synaptic, h
[09:07] <xanax`> there 's a column with versions
[09:07] <palbuddy> okay
[09:07] <palbuddy> I just went to kde
[09:07] <palbuddy> I'm not a super linux user or something, but I'm kinda in dummy mode
[09:08] <palbuddy> as in I'm learning this stuff all over again
[09:10] <Dr_willis> 'its deja vu all over again'
[09:15] <ka> Hi
[09:19] <ka> I am trying to make a form via a wizard in open office base. But wizards don't seem work in my openoffice. The busy cursor just flashes for a second or two and then nothing happens. I have checked the tools/settings/java and it says sun microsystems 1.6.0_10. Any suggestions? Do I have to install something extra to make them work?
[09:24] <jim_p> hi people
[09:25] <jim_p> i accidentaly removed the top bar of kopete, the one that says File Edit etc. can i  get it bask somehow?
[09:26] <Dr_willis> how did ya remove it? a menu item?
[09:26] <ka> jim_p: ctrl+m maybe?
[09:26] <Dr_willis> couldbe some F key also.. :)
[09:26] <jim_p> ka, wait wait wait to open kopete
[09:26] <Dr_willis> hit f1 and see if ya can find its docs?
[09:27] <Dr_willis> Ctrl-M
[09:27] <Dr_willis> is what it says in the menus here. :)
[09:28] <jim_p> :O thanks Dr_willis and ka
[09:28] <Dr_willis> F1 -  Keyboard shortcuts. :)
[09:28] <Dr_willis> print that out.. paste to the moniotr.
[09:28] <Dr_willis> heh
[09:29] <Dr_willis> it only has like 4 'hotkeys/shortcuts' for things
[09:29] <jim_p> one more thing
[09:29] <jim_p> i am just a few days old in kde4
[09:29] <jim_p> what shall i use as a file manager?
[09:29] <jim_p> i have heard complaints about dolphin
[09:30] <Dr_willis> Try it and see?
[09:30] <Dr_willis> It what YOU like that matters
[09:30] <jim_p> well dolphin is a bit slow
[09:30] <ka> I use dolphin but it really doesn't matter as konqueror and dolphin both use the same filemanagement backend...
[09:31] <Dr_willis> i use rox-filer   but im weird. :)
[09:31] <Dr_willis> or 'mc'
[09:31] <ka> I agree I think KDE4 in general is a little slow...
[09:31] <ka> especially on 256 mb systems...
[09:31] <ka> ;-)
[09:32] <jim_p> i am on 768
[09:32] <ka> But seriously I expect that it should work on low memory systems but maybe not for a while...
[09:32] <pravin> hi
[09:33] <ka> I would turn off previewing...
[09:33] <jim_p> ka, i have  it off
[09:36] <ilham> Hi. is database created by ooo base, can be accessed from html as front end
[09:38] <Dr_willis> kde4 is slowly getting spead up...  as time goes by...
[09:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:38] <Dr_willis> but still not as fast as some things
[09:43] <ka> Other that that I would try to avoid using kde3 and gtk apps as it will cause you to load too many libraries in ram...
[10:04] <aboSamoor1> I have unmet dependencies in KDE 4.2 can you help me ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6650037#post6650037
[10:04] <Strog_> i have just burned the kubuntu alternate CD and i was only able to choose what language i want. ater that i cannot choose which country, it simply freezes. any idea what went wrong?
[10:05] <JohnFlux> !cd
[10:05] <JohnFlux> Strog_: probably a misburn
[10:05] <JohnFlux> !checkcd
[10:05] <JohnFlux> !check cd
[10:05] <JohnFlux> bah
[10:05] <JohnFlux> Strog_: anyway, there's an option I think to check the cd
[10:06] <Strog_> JohnFlux: how do i check that?
[10:06] <ryxxed> try burning it in a slower speed
[10:06] <JohnFlux> Strog_: yeah, you probably just have to reburn it, sorry
[10:08] <Strog_> ok
[10:08] <aboSamoor1> can anyone help me with installing KDE 4.2 ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6650037#post6650037
[10:08] <JohnFlux> aboSamoor1: someone posted a reply
[10:09] <Dr_willis>  a reply that wasent spam even? :)
[10:09] <ryxxed> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[10:10] <JohnFlux> aboSamoor1: you might have to remove koffice first.  apt-get remove  koffice-data-kde4
[10:10] <JohnFlux> aboSamoor1: if you don't want to do that, we can force the installation of package
[10:11] <JohnFlux> aboSamoor1: to force it to install,   dpkg --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3_all.deb
[10:23] <etfb> I get errors and timeouts accessing au.archive.ubuntu.com.  Is there something I can do about that, or do I just need to retry over and over?
[10:27] <Strog_> there is a utility of on the kubuntu cd that checks whether the cd is ok or not
[10:28] <Strog_> the utility gave me an ok, but pressing the continue button doesn't work
[10:28] <Strog_> again it froze
[10:29] <sven_> can someone help me how to install opera?
[10:29] <Strog_> any idea where the problem is?
[10:29] <knubbe> sven_: have you downloaded the deb?
[10:29] <sven_> knubbe: where?
[10:29] <knubbe> sven_: www.opera.com :-)
[10:30] <sven_> knubbe: ubuntu?
[10:30] <gertoft> Where can one find the plan for KDE 4.2 and Kubuntu 8.10? What I would like to find out is if KDE 4.2 is planned to be released in the backports? The experimental repository sound a bit to risky for me and I also have to await a fix for Digikam, since that is my preferred camera tool.
[10:32] <Unksi> gertoft: backports do not accept major software updates, only minor ones like 4.1.x
[10:32] <knubbe> sven_: yes
[10:32] <Unksi> so it 4.2 wont be added officially to intrepid
[10:32] <knubbe> sven_: same installation procedure as for ubuntu
[10:32] <gertoft> Ok, so I guess that I have to wait for 9.04 then.
[10:33] <knubbe> sven_: when the .deb is downloaded, just click it and it will install itself
[10:33] <sven_> knubbe: indeed, fantastic, user friendly interface in kubuntu :)
[10:35] <knubbe> sven_: yes, at least as long as the program is a deb-file :-)
[10:35] <sven_> knubbe: tx
[10:36] <knubbe> sven_: np
[10:37] <sven_> knubbe: is opera the fastest web browser?
[10:41] <roby70> ciao a tutti
[10:41] <roby70> cerco un aiutino
[10:48] <komuta> hi
[10:48] <komuta> there seems to be a problem with kde-devel dependencie on the last package update (for 4.2 final I think)
[10:49] <komuta> from the kubuntu kde 4.2 experimental repository
[10:49] <komuta> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb: Size mismatch
[10:50] <komuta> this prevent everyone who has migrated to 4.2 to build kde software, this this package is necessary for kde-devel
[10:50] <komuta> and I don't know how to contact the maintainer of this experimental repository
[10:50] <komuta> could someone help me ?
[10:51] <eightieskhild> !wallpaper
[10:51] <komuta> join #kubuntu-devel
[10:52] <eightieskhild> shame they don't package kubuntu with all the wallpapers they used too.
[10:53] <Dr_willis> Yea - i only got 8+gb of wallpapers.. i need more
[10:53] <Dr_willis> ;)
[10:56] <schmidtm_> does anybody know a good sip softphone for kde
[11:00] <Trijntje> Hi, i have a problem on my acer aspire 5100 with kkubuntu 8.04 while playing movies/flash etc. After a few minutes the image starts to lag, sound is ok. When i pause the movie for 5 minutes or so I can watch it again for a few minutes before it lags
[11:02] <dhazin> Hi all! could u please have me, I'm trying to resolve this issue several days but without any success so far :(
[11:02] <dhazin> here is a topic on kubuntu forums http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101259.0
[11:02] <Dr_willis> playing movies in all players Trijntje ? or just flash movies?
[11:03] <dhazin> shortly I can't login to kde4.2, it returns back to login screen
[11:03] <dhazin> here is my .xsession-errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/112019/
[11:05] <Trijntje> Dr_willis, yes, its not only flash. It also happens with for example .avi in kafeine
[11:17] <beachsurfin> http://bayimg.com/HANmPaabe :: me viewing /sbin/iptables
[11:18] <beachsurfin> it looks like that in cat and vim
[11:18] <beachsurfin> and i'm sure other terminal program that reads text
[11:21] <helpdesk> hello, i have a virtual machine installed on a windows platform and on this virtual machine i have ubuntu installed. pls how do i get internet connection?
[11:21] <helpdesk> to my ubuntu?
[11:21] <Dr_willis> helpdesk, what program are ya using ? vrtualbox? vmware?
[11:22] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: vmware
[11:22] <Dr_willis> May need to set up a different network card in the vmware settings. or check the network card settings there.
[11:23] <Dr_willis> I use virtualbox . and it works by default.
[11:23] <Dr_willis> some disrtos may need you to run a network-config tool.  Buyt i dont think u/kubuntu does
[11:24] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: so any idea on wht i could do? it used to work and then stopped suddenly
[11:24] <Aison> hello, akonadi server is not working, right?  somehow a problem with dbus
[11:24] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  not really - i gave up on vmware ages ago
[11:24] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: and since then, has been hell to get coonection
[11:24] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: ok
[11:24] <Dr_willis> i would check the vmware docs very closely.
[11:24] <Dr_willis> virtualbox can  be setup in windows with a 'bridged' networking.. or sort of like a 'nat'
[11:25] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: d same with vmware but mine just so stubborn
[11:25] <Dr_willis> I normally use vbox to  test out live-cd's and live cd images
[11:36] <zeltak> hi
[11:37] <zeltak> anyone know how to make screen autostart when no gui is present (no gnome or kde..)?
[11:41] <uni4dfx> zeltak: i think you can try: sudo init 5
[11:42] <zeltak> thx uni4dfx, what does init 5 do? start screen?
[11:42] <uni4dfx> init 5 starts X
[11:42] <Dr_willis> screen is a terminal based app..  it dosent need those interfaces
[11:42] <Dr_willis> why do you need screen to run?
[11:42] <Dr_willis> and what do youneed it to do?
[11:43] <zeltak> hi Dr_willis
[11:44] <zeltak> i need it for rtorrent etc,,
[11:44] <zeltak> i have screenrc conigured well
[11:44] <Dr_willis> You can launch screen  as the proper user with some proper commands from rc.local
[11:44] <zeltak> and when i issue screen manually it work slike a charm
[11:44] <zeltak> mm ok what is rc.local (sorry for the newbishness :))
[11:45] <Dr_willis>  'sudo -u username screen '
[11:45] <Dr_willis> perhaps
[11:45]  * Dr_willis is guessing..   thats may not be the best way to do it..
[11:45] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: please what cmd would i use to know who the user of a linux platform is ?
[11:45] <Dr_willis> see the file   /etc/rc.local
[11:45] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  lsb_release -a  (in theory)
[11:46] <Dr_willis> oh the user?  thats a variable setting if you wna tht users name?
[11:46] <Dr_willis> or what exactly?
[11:46] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: u knw to knw the host , you use: hostname
[11:46] <zeltak> i just need something like the austostart folder in kde and gnome that launches progs in three. i just want screen up and runing after a reboot
[11:46] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: and inserting that cmd on the terminal gives u the hostname
[11:46] <Dr_willis> echo $USER
[11:46] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: so to know the user, what comnd u put on the commer line
[11:46] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: oh ok thanks
[11:47] <Dr_willis> theres lot of env variales set :)
[11:47] <Dr_willis> the set command shows them all.. but often  that output is VERY cluttered. from the bash-completion scripts
[11:47] <Dr_willis> see.. 'set | less'
[11:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:55] <skole> Hi! I'm going to africa to help install Kubuntu on school computers. They don't have internet connecton. How can I fetch updates, codecs and language packs, and burn them to a cd? Then I can install them fram cd- rom
[11:56] <stdin> !aptoncd | skole
[11:58] <skole> ubottu: How does it work? Is it possible to enter the download cashe and copy it to a cd rom too?
[11:59] <stdin> skole: I think it is
[12:00] <rcm20> Hi Everyone! I need help with my Bluetooth device,,, Who can help me?
[12:00] <skole> stdin: I'm going to check out aptoncd first:-) txs!
[12:00] <rcm20> / mówię także po polsku
[12:01] <rcm20> mówię także po polsku
[12:01] <stdin> !pl
[12:04] <saint-tropez> Hey, can anyone give me a hing how to adept kde 4.2 if possible
[12:04] <saint-tropez> hint*
[12:05] <uni4dfx> don't use kde4.2
[12:05] <uni4dfx> it's still crap
[12:05] <stdin> uni4dfx: thanks for your opinion, but this is not an opinion channel
[12:06] <stdin> saint-tropez: see the link in the topic
[12:07] <uni4dfx> stdin: i would rather point out the problems kde4.2 has, but i don't think anyone would listen anyway
[12:07] <saint-tropez> stdin: ty
[12:07] <Dr_willis> 4.2  has its own bug reporting site I thought
[12:08] <uni4dfx> none of the kde bugs i reported ever got fixed, i don't see why bother
[12:08] <Dr_willis> then dont bother..
[12:08] <Dr_willis> demand a refund?
[12:08] <uni4dfx> i don't bother, that's why i switched to gnome
[12:11] <olenz> Hi all! Since I installed KDE 4.2 (on Kubuntu Intrepid), the user icons on the login screen are not shown anymore. Has anyone observed this before?
[12:12] <Dr_willis> sonds like a kdm setting got changed. or the theme.
[12:12] <Dr_willis> but i dont use kdm , i use gdm. so not 100% sure on what settings KDM has now a days
[12:13] <Strog_> how do i get a version upgrade with kubuntu?
[12:13] <Strog_> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:13] <olenz> Strog_: yes, that should be it
[12:14] <Strog_> "should"??!??!
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Strog_, depends , are you on 8.04 ?
[12:14] <olenz> Well, I'm normally using Adept
[12:14] <olenz> or in fact, I'm usually doing a fresh installation
[12:15] <Strog_> 7.04
[12:15] <helpdesk> anybody got any idea how i could stepwise configure my and compile my kernel source?
[12:15] <Dr_willis> !kernel
[12:15] <Dr_willis> Thats the extent of my knernel knowledge.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> oooh... well as long as you upgrade to 7.10 , you'll be fine, Strog_
[12:18] <Strog_> so apt-get dist-upgrade is the right direction?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:20] <stdin> Strog_: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[12:20] <Dr_willis> !appdb
[12:20] <olenz> Dr_willis: Indeed, it looks as though the login manager settings have changed upon installation of KDE 4.2
[12:20] <olenz> Dr_willis: thanks for your hint. I should have understood that myself.
[12:20] <Dr_willis> olenz,  it maybe thers some kdm.conf.custom - (gdm does it that way) where you are supposed to tweak. Not the original kdm config file
[12:21] <olenz> Dr_willis: I just used the GUI..
[12:21] <olenz> and that seemed to help.
[12:21] <Dr_willis> Imnot even in KDE right now. :)
[12:30] <zer0o> hi guys, is there a web-development-support channel?
[12:32] <syockit> there's a #web channel
[12:42] <etfb> One of my external backup drives is behaving oddly.  What's the command to check and possibly repair it?  It's an ext2-formatted USB drive..
[12:43] <Dr_willis> sudo fsck /dev/sd##
[12:43] <Dr_willis> be sure its unmounted first
[12:44] <etfb> Dr_willis: How can any program find it if it's unmounted?  Or is there a difference between "unmounted" and "not plugged in" that I'm misunderstanding.
[12:45] <etfb> Also: how do I know what sd device it is?  It's mounted as /media/disk...
[12:46] <etfb> Never mind; typed <mount> and got that detail.
[12:46] <Dr_willis> you mount FILEsystems
[12:46] <Dr_willis> filesystems exist on drives. :)
[12:46] <Dr_willis> how can you partition a disk when its unparttioned. :)
[12:46] <Dr_willis>    /media/disk is not the  device name.. thats the mount point.  '
[12:47] <Dr_willis>    ie:    /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[12:47] <Dr_willis> i have sda3 mounted on / (the root) of the system
[12:47] <etfb> Dr_willis: I see.  That makes sense.
[12:47] <Dr_willis>  /dev/sda2 on /media/VistaStorage type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[12:47] <Dr_willis> sda2 is my  windows stuff :)
[12:48] <etfb> Dang... now how the hell do I stop it copying, since it seems to have crashed...
[12:49] <Dr_willis> what copying?
[12:50] <etfb> It's copying a bunch of stuff off my backups, cos I'm setting up a new machine.  It first started saying it couldn't copy a bunch of the later files, then just decided to stop and wait while copying a random 3kb file.
[12:50] <etfb> So I unplugged it.  It won't cause data loss, since it was all coming _off_ the drive, so there's no writing going on.
[12:50] <etfb> The copying info-pane is still there tho...
[12:51] <Dr_willis> unplugging a drive without unmoutngint it - can cause confiusion.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> may be safest to reboot now.
[12:51] <etfb> I figure it was already about as confused as it was going to get.
[12:52] <Dr_willis> dont just 'unplug' drives. or thumdrives. :)
[12:52] <etfb> Didn't have much choice, since it crashed.
[12:53] <etfb> Usually I don't...
[12:53] <Dr_willis> You proberly had a choice.. but it depends on what exactly crashed.
[12:54] <Dr_willis> also check 'dmesg' output next time it acts funny
[12:55] <etfb> Nothing there: it mounts, it complains bitterly (but briefly) when I unplug it, it mounts again...  oh, and lots of moaning about being unable to turn cooling devices off...
[12:56] <Dr_willis> plug it in.. unmout  it manually with 'sudo umount /dev/whatever '  then fsck it
[12:57] <etfb> Hey, Dr_willis: how's your rsync trivia?  Can you recall the command to copy from x to y, overwriting only if filesizes or contents are wrong on the destination?  I can look it up, but I figure you probably know off the top of your head.
[12:57] <Dr_willis> I cant recall the last time i used rsync
[12:57] <Dr_willis> how do yoi know the filesizes are 'wrong' ?
[12:58] <etfb> Never mind then; I was just being lazy.
[12:58] <etfb> Dr_willis: That's the weird thing: the copy (I just used Dolphin) seems to create a ghost image of the entire contents onto the destination, then kind of... fills the files in.  Brilliant idea, if it worked.
[12:59] <etfb> Wrong = different between source and destination, btw.
[13:00] <Dr_willis> WHich one is wrong :) however... Heh..     going to assume the source is always right?
[13:00] <etfb> So: sudo fsck /dev/sdb1 then?  It's not going to try to reformat my hard disk for a Commodore 64 1571 floppy disk or anything?
[13:01] <Dr_willis> fsck - filesystem ck
[13:02] <Dr_willis> mkfs = make filesystem = format
[13:03] <etfb> Dr_willis: Are you sure about that command line?  It doesn't look very unixy.
[13:04] <Dr_willis> sudo fsck /dev/sdb1                   whats not unixy about it?
[13:05] <etfb> You said fsck - filesystem ck, and I thought you meant it was the syntax of the command.  Sorry; braindead.  It's been 38 degrees (Celsius) all day...
[13:06] <kavurt> when Ekiga fails registration, is there any way to try to reconnect easily? Or shoud I turn it off and back on?
[13:07] <esteban> buenos dias
[13:07] <syockit> goodday
[13:10] <esteban> cual es el programa equibalente a acces en kubuntu?
[13:10] <kaddi> !es |esteban
[13:12] <WishingMaster> i need help about kernel installation
[13:13] <WishingMaster> how to install the kernel?
[13:14] <Dr_willis> You are compiling your own kernel ? or what exactly?
[13:14] <WishingMaster> Dr_willis:  i have downloaded it from softpedia.com
[13:14] <WishingMaster> 2.6.28-2
[13:16] <Dr_willis> WishingMaster,  dare we ask WHY you are doing this?
[13:16] <WishingMaster> Dr_willis: it says that this kernel has better memory management
[13:17] <Dr_willis> its possible they may update it in the repos...  then again.  You are looking at a rather LARGE task at intalling your own kernel.
[13:17] <Dr_willis> !kernel
[13:17] <Dr_willis> I doubt if its that much better. :) but thats for you to decide i guess
[13:24] <Agent_bob> does this seem odd to anyone else  "http://pastebin.com/f609590d2"  that there should be three copies of libc6 installed? or installed in three different places?
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[13:25] <syockit> btw, my kernel's 2.6.28-6
[13:25] <syockit> rather than compiling yourself, you can get one from jaunty's repo if you want
[13:25] <Dr_willis> or 3 differnt subversions
[13:25] <syockit> an expect breakage
[13:27] <etfb> Dr_willis: I ran the fsck, and then my backup script (plugged into the old machine), and sure enough it's now copying over exactly the files that were refusing to copy to the new machine.  So it looks like you saved the day!  Woot!
[13:27]  * Dr_willis sends etfb  a bill
[13:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:28] <beachsurfin> from the cli, how do you check to see if you have a package installed and what version it is...
[13:28]  * etfb pays the bill: $1,000 in Zimbabwean dollars...
[13:28] <etfb> (That's about a poofteenth of a cent in USD, BTW)
[13:28] <Dr_willis> !apt
[13:28] <Dr_willis> check that apt-get  Howto. i nevre can rember the commands
[13:29] <rjb> dpkg -l package-name
[13:29] <etfb> Hey, Dr_willis, I'm curious: you seem to be on here any time I pop in with a problem, and more often than not you can solve it.  What do you do in real life that lets you lurk on #kubuntu so much?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> I work 3rd shift.
[13:31] <Dr_willis> its my bed time now. :)
[13:31] <syockit> Dr_willis: how long have you been living on ubuntu?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> Using ubuntu since.. Hmm.. 5.xx days I think
[13:34] <etfb> Dr_willis: Well, I'm not the only one who's glad you're around.  Any time you're dying of hypothermia in the middle of one of those cold snaps that you get over there in the northern hemisphere, remember that we'll all attend your funeral... provided it's held on IRC...
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[13:35] <Dr_willis> and all ive learned from linux. ive leared from reading the docs.. :)
[13:35] <Dr_willis> and rereading
[13:35] <Dr_willis> and exploring
[13:36] <etfb> There's hope for me then...
[13:37] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis but if you notice the command i ran on them "o" checks the origen of the file from the package database in /var/lib/dpkg/info/    it only reads installed packages.  so one of then "libc6" installed two copies one in /lib and one in /lib/tls
[13:37] <Agent_bob>   http://pastebin.com/f8cfde43
[13:39] <Agent_bob> anyway.  just seemed strange to find same file name three times in /lib/.*  and the file being system critical.
[13:41] <etfb> BTW Dr_willis: the command to recursively copy from your backup to your shiny new laptop is: rsync -av /media/disk/backup/ ~/frombackup/
[13:42] <etfb> Does it all -- recursive copy, maintains symlinks, puts the cat out, makes the coffee...  rsync is an amazing piece of work.
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[13:59] <jussi01> !away > Sp0tKubuntu-NA
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[14:11] <cdavis> can someon tell me how to change the behavior of konqueror to single-click selects all in the url bar and search bar?
[14:12] <cdavis> and in firefox the tabs are sort of "messed up" in addition to the slider bar in thunderbird is ugly. Is this something I can fix or part of the border problem I have been reading about
[14:18] <FelixGL> hi all
[14:24] <CyborgNRW> !de
[14:25] <CyborgNRW> Hi @ all .... ich benutz seit neusten kubunut und wollt mal fragen ob ich WPA2 nachträglich installieren muss oder ob es schon drauf ist? (kubunut 8.10 interpid)
[14:25] <BillyBop> Hi, I've juste installed kubuntu 9.04 alpha3, I've upgraded it to the latest packages (kde 4.2 release, etc.) and the kde menu does not work, anyone can help?
[14:26] <FelixGL> I need some help with my new kde4.2, it freezes when I type pass for my user, it just shows the desktop background.. i've tried log in in failsafe mode and doesn't work Any suggestion?
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[14:27] <BillyBop> FelixGL: which version of kubuntu?
[14:27] <FelixGL> 8.10
[14:27] <BillyBop> FelixGL: sorry I'm trying to bring up 9.04, I can't help you
[14:28] <FelixGL> ok thx anyway :)
[14:28] <feizhou> just installed Intrepid and...no kde3...:(
[14:29] <syockit> yes. embrace the future ;)
[14:29] <feizhou> syockit: no problem...once I get kiosktool on kde4.
[14:29] <BillyBop> what's the utility to choose between propriatery drivers (nvidia) and free driver?
[14:30] <feizhou> i have a hardy pilot box for the school i work for...but...hardy's libvirt is too old
[14:30] <feizhou> intrepid's newer libvirt will handle windows guests but now no kde3 and kiosktool...
[14:30] <feizhou> i'll never get Linux on the desktops liket his...
[14:31] <syockit> so what's kiosktool again?
[14:31] <syockit> !kiosktool
[14:31] <syockit> !info kiosktool
[14:31] <feizhou> man...
[14:31] <feizhou> the best desktop control tool there is on Linux!
[14:32] <syockit> that intrepid version also depends on kde3?
[14:32] <feizhou> nothing equivalent in GNOME universe
[14:32] <BillyBop> I've a big issue with kde4.2, It does not show the main menu (to start applications), it only shows the black frame around, not what should be in the inside... Problem of video driver?
[14:32] <feizhou> syockit: intrepid has no kde3...kiosktool has not been ported to kde4.
[14:32]  * feizhou wants to dig his grave and bury himself alive
[14:33] <syockit> wait, I'm sure you can use the old kdelibs to run it
[14:33] <syockit> you don't have other kde3 tools, like k3b or amarok 1.6?
[14:33] <syockit> or quanta, etc
[14:34] <syockit> as long as it's not jaunty, I think you can run kde3 apps
[14:34] <feizhou> the kids don't need that stuff. I am trying to look down their desktops and not mine!
[14:34] <feizhou> s/look/lock/
[14:35] <feizhou> hmm...no k3b on my intrepid...
[14:35] <feizhou> let me check the repo
[14:37] <feizhou> syockit: i can install k3b...but i don't think that means I can get kiosktool to run manage kde4 desktops...at least that is what the KDE team says on the kiosktool page
[14:38] <syockit> oic
[14:39] <fabri> hi
[14:41] <feizhou> syockit: it looks as if anything KDE has recently run out of man power...maybe I should just give up on putting Linux on the desktops, keep the school happy with working systems and get some free time to pick up qt4/qt4.5...cheers
[14:41] <syockit> no equivalent in gnome?
[14:42] <d_mitry> in kubuntu 8.10, i can't keep another screen resolution. when i log in next time, it stays as the default 1024*768. when i go to system settings -> display, it changes to what i chose before straight away.
[14:42] <syockit> ah, that kiosktool is that nifty app that allows you to manage/monitor many terminals at once, right?
[14:44] <failers> god this sucks i cant use ubuntu since it got pulseaudio and i cant use kubuntu since nvidia drivers is shitty and if i dl and install newest from nvidia kde wont start :|
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[14:52] <nadja> hi, I just tried updating Intrepid to KDE 4.2 following the instructions on kubuntu.org, but two of the packages won't install: http://paste.ubuntu.com/112091/
[14:52] <cuznt> !nvidia | failers
[14:52] <failers> cuznt alredy tryed it all :/
[14:52] <failers> or atleast think so
[14:53] <cuznt> i had issues
[14:53] <cuznt> sometimes your pc takes extra effort to get it
[14:53] <cuznt> took me 4 times to get it right
[14:53] <nadja> is there anyone here who knows that problem and can shed a little light on the solution for me? ;-)
[14:53] <cuznt> that was 2 mos ago
[14:54] <Aison> akonadi server is not working, right?  somehow a problem with dbus: http://rafb.net/p/p9qxGe33.html
[14:54] <gmathews> Hey is sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 safe to get the nvidia driver?
[14:54] <Aison> I guess some dependency is wrong, ABI conflict or whatever
[14:55] <cuznt> i would use the restricyed hardware to get the nvidia driver
[14:55] <cuznt> i did
[14:55] <nadja> it's  kde-window-manager and systemsettings
[14:55] <cuznt> nadja try sudo apt-get upgrade -f
[14:56] <cuznt> gwenview wont upgrade for me without un-installing some packages
[14:56] <cuznt> and i am not going to either
[14:56] <cuznt> :p
[14:56] <nadja> cuznt: doesn't make any difference - same error messages as before :-(
[14:57] <d_mitry> is it safe to move the source directory after compiling?
[14:57] <cuznt> ok
[14:57] <cuznt> wait and ask a professional
[14:57]  * cuznt cues the proper waiting room songs and serves tea and crumpets
[14:58] <gmathews> I get this -
[14:58] <gmathews> A Fatal Error Occurred
[14:58]  * nadja hopes cuznt won't play "Girl from Ipanima"
[14:58] <gmathews> The application KMix (kmix) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT).
[14:58] <cuznt> my wife hates that song
[14:58] <ghostcube> gmathews, after an update ?
[14:58] <ghostcube> thats normal seems to be a i must clodse iam to lazy to change bug heh
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[14:59] <gmathews> ghostcube: after sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[14:59] <ghostcube> yeah that happens always if you do this
[14:59] <ghostcube> but t doesnt hurt anything no idea whats causing this
[14:59] <fabri> hi, i have a problem. I have upgrade my linux kubuntu to kde 4.2 but after the upgrade the panel haven't "Add widget" "
[15:00] <ghostcube> fabri, try the settings area
[15:00] <helpdesk> hello room: please, i am trying to download the libqt3-mt-dev package which contains the Qt development files from the command line. any clue?
[15:00] <failers> cuznt
[15:00] <gmathews> ghostcube: whats the command to remove software
[15:00] <gmathews> sudo apt-get remove
[15:00] <gmathews> ?
[15:00] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get remove package
[15:00] <gmathews> kewl
[15:00] <ghostcube> and if u want to get rid of config too --purge after the package
[15:01] <failers> cuznt can you post your xorg.conf on www.pastebin.com or some other site?
[15:01] <cuznt> i can but i dont know how
[15:01] <kaddi> which packets do i need to install, if i want to add the ntheorem and the SIunits package to latex? I can't seem to find it
[15:01] <failers> cuznt huh?
[15:01] <ghostcube> kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:01] <cuznt> i have nvidia gforce5500
[15:01] <cuznt> thanks ghost
[15:02] <ghostcube> np
[15:04] <cuznt> failers | http://paste.ubuntu.com/112098/
[15:04] <kaddi> !latex
[15:04] <failers> thanks
[15:04] <cuznt> np
[15:04] <fabri> thank ghost but there isn't any option for the widget
[15:06] <willy> para efecto 3d que es lo mejor para kde 4??
[15:07] <fabri> after upgrade to kde4.2 why i don't find "Add Widget"?
[15:09] <gmathews> where is the update manager in kubuntu again?
[15:11] <syockit> fabri: probably your desktop/panel's locked
[15:11] <gmathews> i can only see adept - where do i update after adding another repo?
[15:11] <fabri> very very thank  syockit
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> !flash
[15:12] <fabri> the problem was the panel locked
[15:13] <failers> :/
[15:15] <failers> when i use nvidia driver kde wont X wont start but if i use "nv" it does
[15:15] <failers> :/
[15:16] <failers> ops some typo there ^^
[15:19] <CyborgNRW> !de
[15:22] <ksergio> helo everybody. Anyone knows what happened to kaudiocreator in 8.10 ?
[15:25] <Dr_willis> theres still many kde 3.5 apps thta have not gotten ported to  kde4
[15:26] <ghostcube> failers, what card and what distro
[15:27] <ghostcube> not distro lol driver this is already kubuntu lol
[15:27] <Dr_willis> 8.10 kubuntu? 8.4?  5.5?
[15:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[15:28] <ghostcube> :D
[15:28] <ghostcube> Dr_willis, in compiz its normal to ask distro to know if he need to get any ebuilds or so :)
[15:28] <ghostcube> but here doesnt make sense :D
[15:29] <Dr_willis> compiz + kde4 = dont make much sence either. :P
[15:29] <gmathews> Hi in ubuntu (in synaptic) i could see tetex-base and tetex-bin - i cant see neither in adept
[15:29] <ghostcube> Dr_willis, sure it does :D
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[15:30] <ghostcube> i tested kde4 effects iam missing options in there thats all :)
[15:30] <Dr_willis> I saw  the latest koppix was using compiz + ldxe some how...
[15:30] <ghostcube> i never said they are bad the kde4 effects
[15:30] <ghostcube> Dr_willis, long time havent tried knoppix
[15:30] <Dr_willis> new release just came out. :)
[15:31] <ghostcube> oh ok maybe i get a copy to test :)
[15:31] <Dr_willis> I tend to disable a lot of the eyecandy.   i really dont see the benifit of 'organic effects' on my pc. :)
[15:32] <ghostcube> hmm i have enabled the group and tab and the sacle addon is nice to zoo, window inside scale effect
[15:32] <ghostcube> zoom
[15:32] <ghostcube> i havent enabled much eyecandy
[15:32] <Malic> !de
[15:32] <gmathews> Hi is deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main working?
[15:33] <ghostcube> yep
[15:34] <hermano_> oi
[15:35] <hermano_> alguem fala portugues aqui?
[15:37] <ghostcube> !ps
[15:37] <ghostcube> !es
[15:37] <gmathews> You can now update any existing KDE 4 installation to the most recent version using the Adept Updater tool in your system tray. = I dont have this in my system tray - can someone pls help
[15:38] <ghostcube> do we have portugues too ?
[15:38] <Dr_willis> I dont have one either.. but im running gnome. :)
[15:38] <Leander256> isn't it pt?
[15:38] <syockit> gmathews: it only appears when updates available
[15:38] <hermano_> eu falo portugues
[15:38] <ghostcube> Leander256, i have forgot the shortening for it
[15:38] <hermano_> alguem aqui mais fala portugues?
[15:39] <Leander256> !pt
[15:39] <ghostcube> !pt | hermano_
[15:39] <bazhang> !pt
[15:39] <ghostcube> heh
[15:39] <hermano_> !pt
[15:39] <ghostcube> hermano_, /join #ubuntu-pt
[15:39] <gmathews> lol thanks syockit - getting used to kubuntu - first time on KDE
[15:40] <hermano_> obrigado
[15:40] <gmathews> lol 3 of my icons (volume, klipper and my network arent showing - they are just blocks) i my system tray
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[15:42] <navarro> morning all
[15:44] <Briareos1> does anyone know how to sync kontact -> funambol server?
[15:47] <helpdesk> hello house
[15:48] <helpdesk> i am trying to configure my kernel source but dont know how to install the ccache package
[15:48] <helpdesk> any body got an idea?
[15:48] <Dr_willis> !find ccache
[15:48] <Dr_willis> !info ccache
[15:48] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install ccache    dident work?
[15:49] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: so, if i put in the cmnd on the terminal, i should be able to install my cache?
[15:49]  * navarro went for a puff: Gone away for now
[15:49] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  thats one of the many ways to insall  a package from the repositories...
[15:50] <Dr_willis>  If you are trying to compile the kernel - you MIGHT want to spend some time learning the package manager system first.
[15:50] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: what about installing the liberary libqt3-mt-dev package?
[15:50] <Dr_willis> !info libqt3-mt-dev
[15:50] <Dr_willis> same command - with the proper package name
[15:50] <Dr_willis> or use adept, or aptitude, or synaptic
[15:51] <Dr_willis> !apt
[15:51] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: dat's the problem, how do i get the proper package name?
[15:51] <helpdesk> use info?
[15:51] <ghostcube> apt-cache search
[15:51] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[15:51] <Dr_willis> You just had them for that example
[15:52] <Dr_willis> 'apt-cache search  PATTERN'
[15:52] <johnsen> Is there a new guide to installing the Nvidia driver? If i try v180 it can't find nvidia.ko and v173 does't work on Xen kernels.
[15:52] <ghostcube> or just search inside adept or synaptic
[15:52] <helpdesk> blueskaj: hi friend
[15:52] <ghostcube> johnsen, on kubuntu the nvidia-180-glx should work
[15:53] <ghostcube> nvidia-glx-180 sorry
[15:53] <BluesKaj> hi helpdesk
[15:54] <helpdesk> blueskaj: am good and u ?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> just fine thx
[15:55] <johnsen> ghostcube: I get a Xorg fail with that. It can't find the kernel when that package is in...
[15:55] <johnsen> ghostcube: s/kernel/module/
[15:55] <helpdesk> blueskaj: ever heard about the libqt3-mt-dev package?
[15:56] <Dr_willis> libqt3-mt-dev (source: qt-x11-free): Qt development files (Threaded). In component main, is optional. Version 3:3.3.8-b-5ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 49 kB, installed size 168 kB
[15:56] <Dr_willis> the package name is           libqt3-mt-dev
[15:56] <helpdesk> Dr?willis: but i tried this: sudo apt-get install libqt-3-mt-dev but gave an error
[15:56] <ghostcube> johnsen, hmm what card is this
[15:57] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  and the error is?
[15:57] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: invalid operation libqt3-mt-dev
[15:58] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  and whats the EXACT command you used?
[15:58] <johnsen> ghostcube: 7000 someting, laptop card
[15:58] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME
[15:58] <BluesKaj> helpdesk, it's available in synaptic pkge manager , which can gather the right dependencies better than apt in some cases
[15:58] <ghostcube> johnsen, isnt the 177 package working ?
[15:58] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev
[15:58] <johnsen> ghostcube: let me try
[15:58] <helpdesk> blueskaj: how do i get to the synaptic pkge manager?
[15:59] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  try a 'sudo' at the front of the command?
[15:59] <johnsen> ghostcube: (going offline a few)
[15:59] <ghostcube> np
[15:59] <bazhang> helpdesk, you are compiling/patching a kernel?
[15:59] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: i tried exactly dat
[15:59] <bazhang> helpdesk, and you dont know about synaptic package manager?
[15:59] <helpdesk> bazhang: exactly, i am trying to config/compile a kernel
[15:59] <Dr_willis> when in doubt. 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get upgrade' then Try the install again
[15:59] <helpdesk> bazhang: blieve me, no
[16:00] <Dr_willis> It just installed here fine
[16:00] <bazhang> helpdesk, this is the kubuntu in the vm on a windows host? that kernel? or another one
[16:00] <helpdesk> bazhang: this time i took down the vmplayer and i am using the ubuntu on my machine now cuz i need to config/compile my kernel
[16:01] <bazhang> helpdesk, paste.ubuntu.com the exact output of the command you gave and the error you received
[16:01] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[16:01] <bazhang> helpdesk, why are you compiling the kernel for ubuntu anyway?
[16:01] <helpdesk> bazhang: so i should go paste my error on the site: paste.ubuntu.com
[16:02] <Dr_willis> or install the 'pastebinit' command and use that to pipe it to a pastebin site automatically
[16:02] <Dr_willis> !paste
[16:02] <bazhang> helpdesk, yes, and please paste your sources.list as wel
[16:03] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install pastebinit  &&  pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list                            is the easy way to do that.
[16:03] <helpdesk> bazhang: anytime i enter the command : sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev, it says, invalid operation
[16:03] <Dr_willis> try     sudo apt-get install pastebinit     as a test?
[16:04] <bazhang> helpdesk, then paste.ubuntu.com the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and give us the url
[16:04] <helpdesk> bazhang: what url?
[16:04] <helpdesk> i could just cd /etc/apt/sources.list and get that isn't it?
[16:04] <bazhang> helpdesk, open a browser
[16:04] <helpdesk> bazhang:
[16:05] <helpdesk> ok i am listening, i already opened a browser
[16:05] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com in the address bar
[16:05] <helpdesk> ok, then i paste what in there?
[16:06] <bazhang> cat /etc/apt/sources.list and then copy and paste to the open browser space (text insertion area) and click Paste! and it will save and give you a url
[16:06] <bazhang> you then give us the url.
[16:07] <helpdesk> so i type in the url in the content page?
[16:07] <helpdesk> bazhang: but what url should i put in there? a bit confused
[16:09] <bazhang> step 1: open a browser window   step2: paste.ubuntu.com in address bar (and hit return) step3: copy contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntu.com step4: hit Paste on that website step5 it will then generate a unique address that you give to us.
[16:09] <helpdesk> bazhang: ok hold on
[16:10] <johnsen> ghostcube: hi. I get "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device" - with both
[16:12] <helpdesk> bazhang: i can't copy the full contents of my /etc/apt/sources.lists:(
[16:12] <bazhang> helpdesk, sure you can
[16:13] <rawler> hi people.. just tried out KDE 4.2 after a long KDE-break..
[16:13] <UnknownFear> hello all. does anyone know a site with a full list of ubuntu servers?
[16:13] <helpdesk> bazhang: from /etc/apt# pico souces.list and then do i use ctrl p to copy all?
[16:13] <rawler> one thing immediately annoying me is that I can't find a way to configure launching programs to a global keyboard shortcut?
[16:13] <rawler> any pointers?
[16:13] <Unksi> UnknownFear: dont think theres one.. what are you looking for?
[16:14] <UnknownFear> just the ubuntu channel
[16:14] <UnknownFear> i'm gonna guess it's #ubuntu
[16:14] <Unksi> yes it is
[16:14] <UnknownFear> is that the support channel as well/
[16:14] <Unksi> isnt it at freenode?
[16:14] <Unksi> yes
[16:14] <UnknownFear> lol, guess I answered my own question :) thanks
[16:15] <Unksi> you're welcome :)
[16:15] <stdin> !channels
[16:15] <UnknownFear> oh, is it possible to change the colour for the name font? i am using Konversation
[16:16] <rawler> no way to configure global shortcuts to launch common applications, such as Konsole or a calculator?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> helpdesk , in your sources.list click on edit in the toolbar/select all , then right click in the text , copy , then paste it into the content box on the pastebin web page.
[16:19] <stdin> rawler: right click the KMenu -> Menu Editor, then you can set the shortcut for any app from the Advanced tab
[16:20] <helpdesk> blueskaj: i am using pico to access my sources.list and there aint no eidt toolbar there
[16:20] <helpdesk> any other means to access the sources.list ?
[16:21] <bazhang> kdesu kate
[16:21] <BluesKaj> helpdesk , alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:23] <helpdesk> blueskaj: couldn't open the file
[16:24] <BluesKaj> did it ask for your password ?
[16:24] <bazhang> helpdesk, are you using kubuntu?
[16:24] <bazhang> helpdesk, paste.ubuntu.com the exact error message you receive
[16:24] <helpdesk> bazhang: nope i am using ubuntu
[16:25] <BluesKaj> gawd
[16:25] <bazhang> gksudo gedit
[16:25] <BluesKaj> helpdesk , alt+f2 , gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:26] <Cyborg_NRW> !de
[16:28] <helpdesk> blueskaj: i have pasted the full text from /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntu.com, what next?
[16:28] <bazhang> helpdesk, hit paste and give us the resulting url
[16:28] <helpdesk> bazhang: it's : http://paste.ubuntu.com/112139/
[16:28] <helpdesk> bazhang: dat's the url pal
[16:31] <BluesKaj> helpdesk are you upgrading to intrepid ?
[16:31] <bazhang> !info libqt3-mt-dev hardy
[16:31]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[16:32] <helpdesk> blueskaj: i am not upgrading to intrepid
[16:32] <BluesKaj> helpdesk, I think I'd uncomment all of those repositories except for the cdrom one
[16:32] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:32] <helpdesk> bazhang: so i guess from the package it's a hardy. so how u install a QT package with this?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> free up those other repos to see if they contain the packages you need
[16:33] <helpdesk> how?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> anyway i have to do some errands ..BBL
[16:34] <bazhang> helpdesk, paste.ubuntu.com with the exact output of sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev
[16:34] <BluesKaj> take out the # in front of the deb urls
[16:34] <bazhang> the sources.list is fine as is
[16:34] <BluesKaj> but not the cdrom one
[16:35] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:35] <bazhang> cdrom is commented out already
[16:36] <Kevin100> does anyone know of a good tutorial for konversation, I am trying to connect to a  chat room elsewhere?
[16:36] <bazhang> Kevin100, different server or different channel on this server
[16:37] <Kevin100> oh dear, I am so new at this. a different server I think
[16:37] <bazhang> which server
[16:37] <helpdesk> bazhang: wen i paste the error from the libqt3-mt.. to paste.ubuntu.com, it gave the url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/112147
[16:37] <Kevin100> to get to www.chat room, or something like that, what do I do?
[16:38] <bazhang> Kevin100, which channel did you particularly wish to join? it may be on freenode
[16:38] <Kevin100> ok, I will look
[16:38] <bazhang> helpdesk, that is not the command I told you to run nor is there any output
[16:39] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev  <-------that command helpdesk
[16:39] <bazhang> helpdesk, and if you are actually running that command, it will show up in the pastebin
[16:41] <helpdesk> bazhang: yeah i am running the command. how do i check it in the pastebin?
[16:41] <bazhang> helpdesk, you copy and paste all that I have told you including the command I gave you.
[16:42] <sigma_za> does the acer aspire one work properly with kde4.2 on kubuntu?
[16:42] <bazhang> helpdesk, that command and the resultant output
[16:42] <helpdesk> bazhang: how do i copy all that from my command line?
[16:44] <mefisto__> helpdesk: step 1: run this: sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev      step 2: copy what's on the konsole screen after that command (the command and the output of the command)   Step 3: paste that at pastebin, then press the Paste! button.  Step 4: copy the url that pastebin comes back with so we can see it
[16:45] <bazhang> helpdesk, highlight all then rightclick copy
[16:45] <helpdesk> bazhang : ok hold on
[16:45]  * Dr_willis holds on!
[16:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:45] <Dr_willis> Its bed time for me.. im getting silly
[16:46] <christopher> hi can someone help me with my radeon graphics card?
[16:46] <erpo> Can I get a debuggable build of KDE4.2 for Ubuntu 8.10? The one from the kubuntu-experimental repos crashes constantly but doesn't generate useful backtraces.
[16:47] <christopher> my radeon graphics card keeps causing my kubuntu to hang. is there anything i can do?
[16:48] <mefisto__> christopher: are you using the ati restricted driver?
[16:48] <helpdesk> bazhang: now the apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev workd but it wasn't working initially. so what did u do with the url i gave you? wanna learn
[16:49] <christopher> no, but when i do use it it hangs much more often
[16:49] <Guest5976> hello, im having problems to get "the network clipboard
[16:49] <Glaive> Does anyone have experience with a Theatron DD soundcard? Can't get it to work
[16:49] <Guest5976> working anyone experience with it?
[16:49] <bazhang> helpdesk, which url are you referring to
[16:50] <CyborgNRW> !de
[16:50] <helpdesk> bazhang: ok let's say i tried to enter the cmnd: sudo apt-get install updates
[16:51] <bazhang> helpdesk, no s on update
[16:51] <helpdesk> bazhang: it says, E: coldn't find package updates. now, if i send that and paste it on the pastebin and give u the url, what u gonna do with it?
[16:51] <jussi01> and no install on the update command
[16:51] <jussi01> helpdesk: sudo apt-get update
[16:52] <christopher> mefisto__: no, but when i do use it it hangs much more often
[16:52] <bazhang> sudo apt-get update  and sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:52] <mefisto__> helpdesk: that command means "install the package called updates" but there is no such package
[16:53] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get update         'update' is a 'command' for apt-get ....
[16:53] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install pastebinit        --> 'install' is the command.. 'pastebinit' is the package name
[16:53] <helpdesk> bazhang: but when u requested for a url, what do u do with it?
[16:54] <mefisto__> christopher: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf do you see a line     Driver "ati"          or    Driver "fglrx"        ?
[16:55] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: how do i add ccache prefix to the CC and HOSTCC definitions in Makefile?
[16:56] <christopher> mefisto__: no i dont see that line
[16:56] <bazhang> !give me a test
[16:58]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[16:58] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  Not a clue.. I rarely have to mess with that tuff.
[16:58] <helpdesk> bazhang: pls could u check this url for me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/112154?
[16:58] <stdin> !away > Sp0tKubuntu-NA
[16:58] <mefisto__> christopher: is there any line beginning with   Driver  ? (in the "Device" section)
[16:58] <fabio> hi everyone. I have a problem with keyboard layouts in kde4
[16:59] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  i think one normally sets the enviroment variables for CC and HOSTCC as needed.
[16:59] <christopher> mefisto__: no line beggining with driver as far as i can see
[16:59] <stdin> Dr_willis: make should set them for you
[16:59] <helpdesk> Dr_willis: how do u set it? tyring to configure my kernel but i need ccache for fast result
[16:59] <stdin> ccache won't help the first time you compile it
[17:00] <Dr_willis> helpdesk,  one sets enviroment variables ith the export command normally. See the bash guides for details
[17:00] <schreiner> hi guys, got a problem. In my root-server there was a softwareraid1. well one of the diskss died and i built in a new one, but this one is 1gb to small. any suggestions? thanks in advance
[17:00] <stdin> make sure you're in the kernel source dir before running "make xconfig"
[17:00] <Dr_willis> and ive NO idea why you need to compile a kernel so badly
[17:00] <bazhang> homework iirc
[17:00] <helpdesk> stdin: u mean i have to go to the kernel source directory?
[17:00] <stdin> ... yes
[17:01] <stdin> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile for instructions on compiling a kernel on Ubuntu
[17:01] <helpdesk> stdin: giving something like HOSTCC Scrpts/basic/fixdp..
[17:02] <christopher> mefisto__: on ubuntu forums it says that switching to -rt kernel helps, but how do i do that, and do you rckon it would work?
[17:02] <fabio> I'm not able to show a custom layout variant in the Regional & Language dialog
[17:02] <Guest5976> ok i get netclipboard running, but i only can copy from linux to windows not the other way. any idears?
[17:02] <Glaive> Where can I find some ALSA help?
[17:02] <mefisto__> christopher: in the Device section, put in a line: Driver  "ati"
[17:03] <hurra> hallo!
[17:03] <hurra> ich habe gerade 8.10 installiert
[17:03] <bazhang> !de
[17:03] <hurra> jedoch speichert er meine einstellungen teilweise nicht.
[17:03] <hurra> sorry
[17:03] <mefisto__> christopher: then save, log out, restart X and log back in
[17:04] <christopher> mefisto__: should that work?
[17:04] <mefisto__> christopher: that will ensure you are using the open source ati driver
[17:04] <mefisto__> christopher: yes it should work
[17:04] <christopher> mefisto__: so will i be able to use ay better drivers?
[17:06] <mefisto__> christopher: using the closed source proprietary driver provided by ati/amd gives you better performance, but can be more unstable or harder to set up, depending on your particular graphics card
[17:07] <christopher> ok cheers ill restart x and see if it works
[17:07] <alessandro_> ciao
[17:07] <alessandro_> ciao
[17:07] <bazhang> !it
[17:08] <alessandro_> !List
[17:10] <Glaive> how can i tell Alsa which device to use? sorry noob question no doubt
[17:11] <mefisto__> Glaive: you have 2 or more sound cards?
[17:11] <Glaive> yes, 1 on the motherboard, but not using it. want my theatron dd
[17:11] <Glaive> alsamixer shows it's using the onboard chipset though
[17:12] <mefisto__> Glaive: you can blacklist the on-board one completely so it won't be used at all, or you can set the default sound card
[17:12] <alessandro_> ciao
[17:12] <bazhang> alessandro_, /join #ubuntu-it
[17:13] <Glaive> and where would I blacklist that? Rather new to Kubuntu
[17:13] <alessandro_> ciao
[17:13] <helpdesk> stdin: after using the make xconfig in the shell directory, it popped up a qconf window
[17:13] <mefisto__> Glaive: cat /proc/asound/modules    to list the names of the modules for your soundcards first
[17:13] <bazhang> alessandro_, ciao. please use english here.
[17:14] <stdin> helpdesk: as it should
[17:14] <helpdesk> stdin: i also wanted to install the c++ package, any idea
[17:14] <`n> i need help with "the network clipboard". has anyone an idear where i can find it at irc?
[17:14] <stdin> helpdesk: what C++ package?
[17:14] <Glaive> it shows me 3 cards, including a usb_audio which is new
[17:15] <mefisto__> Glaive: do you have 3?
[17:15] <helpdesk> stdin: well, the booklet says i will have to install the c++ compiler and the g++ package
[17:15] <Glaive> officially.. no. the usb_audio magically appeared. wasnt there an hour ago
[17:15] <stdin> helpdesk: then install build-essential
[17:15] <bazhang> `n, paste.ubuntu.com
[17:16] <helpdesk> stdin: says build-essential is already the newest version
[17:16] <stdin> helpdesk: then you already have it
[17:16] <mefisto__> Glaive: ok, can you tell which one you want to blacklist from those names?
[17:16] <`n> bazhang ?
[17:16] <Bsims> hey vlc is broken because it is looking for qt4 libs why did you make it a depend?
[17:17] <quassel253> vlc is based on qt4
[17:17] <Glaive> I'm assuming  0 snd_intel8x0 is an onboard chipset
[17:17] <Glaive> therefore  2 snd_cmipci should be the one ?
[17:17] <Bsims> Hrm it worked before the latest round of updates now I get this error Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries
[17:17] <mefisto__> Glaive: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[17:18] <helpdesk> stdin: ok when i ran the command make xconfig from the source directory it pooped up the qconf window , how do i modify it to select only options i need in the window?
[17:18] <Bsims> I am running both 3.5 and nightly neon and it worked before
[17:18] <stdin> helpdesk: doesn't the booklet tell you?
[17:18] <mefisto__> Glaive: and at the bottom of that file, put in this line: blacklist snd_intel8x0
[17:18] <helpdesk> stdin: sorry i found it now. thanks i will get back to u again if need b
[17:19] <Glaive> ok
[17:20] <mefisto__> Glaive: when you've saved that change, reboot and see if your other card is default
[17:20] <Glaive> done
[17:20] <mefisto__> Glaive: or if you don't want to reboot
[17:21] <mefisto__> Glaive: modprobe -r <modulename>     to unload those sound modules
[17:21] <mefisto__> Glaive: actually, better to reboot and do a real test
[17:22] <Glaive> Thanks Mefisto. rebooting
[17:22] <g_> whoa kde 4.2 just crashed and it loaded kde 4.1 automatically
[17:23] <g_> my open office word processing is gone now from an update of lastnight what gives?
[17:25] <Glaive> No luck I'm affraid, still no sound
[17:25] <Brad777> Hello everyone... My DVD/CD burner is not being detected by K3B since I updated kubuntu last night does anyone have some ideas as to what I can do to fix it?
[17:25] <guntur_roxx> hi all
[17:25] <guntur_roxx> can anybody help me?
[17:25] <mefisto__> Glaive: cat /proc/asound/modules    again?
[17:25] <guntur_roxx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/112153/
[17:26] <Glaive> now showing  0 snd_cmipci, 1 snd_usb_audio
[17:27] <quassel253> is it known that with amd rv770 you have to use xforcevesa cheatcode then instell and then install and use radeonhd?
[17:27] <mefisto__> Glaive: and you have no usb audio device?
[17:27] <quassel253> radeon doesnt work for some reason
[17:27] <quassel253> same with 8.10 i think
[17:27] <Glaive> none whatsoever
[17:28] <mefisto__> Glaive: run alsamixer and see which card is being used now
[17:28] <Glaive> Card: C-Media CMI8768
[17:29] <manumar> hola
[17:29] <manumar> alguien me puede ayudar con una cosilla?¿
[17:29] <Trijntje> Hi all. I have an Acer aspire 5100 laptop with kubuntu 8.04. When i play a movie (flas, .avi etc) after a few minutes the image lags. Sound is ok. Does anyone know what could cause this?
[17:29] <manumar> I think that here anyone answer
[17:30] <manumar> =(
[17:30] <mefisto__> Glaive: are levels turned up, and not muted (if muted, channel will show MM instead of a number)
[17:30] <kaddi> !es |manumar
[17:30] <manumar> gracias
[17:30] <manumar> thanks
[17:31] <Glaive> they seem fine
[17:31] <Glaive> only 3D is muted
[17:31] <manumar> I have so much problems with permisions
[17:31] <mefisto__> Glaive: do you want to add the usb one to the blacklist and try that?
[17:32] <Glaive> sure
[17:32] <manumar> Adept run now?
[17:32] <manumar> I cant donwload anything
[17:32] <helpdesk> stdin: u still around?
[17:33] <manumar> yes
[17:33] <manumar> i want to install
[17:33] <manumar> one sec
[17:33] <stdin> helpdesk: yes
[17:33] <manumar> this
[17:33] <Glaive> rebooting
[17:33] <manumar> vsftpd
[17:33] <manumar> adept vsftpd
[17:33] <manumar> I want to install that
[17:33] <manumar> but I cant
[17:33] <manumar> it dont download
[17:34] <g_> hey did anyone else's kde 4.2 get totally f'ed up from the updates lastnight?
[17:34] <manumar> Adept Run?
[17:34] <manumar> I cant download anything
[17:34] <bazhang> manumar, what package
[17:35] <helpdesk> bazhang: i am in deep problem again
[17:35] <syockit> manumar: use apt-get install <package name>
[17:35] <kaddi> manumar: how did you try to install  vsftp?
[17:35] <bazhang> manumar, in channel please not via PM
[17:35] <manumar> Ok
[17:35] <manumar> sorry
[17:35] <manumar> well, I want to install a FTP server
[17:35] <bazhang> !info vsftpd
[17:36] <manumar> so I read in some web I I see that I should download this vsftpd
[17:36] <jernejovc> Hi, when can we expect KDE 4.2 kde-l10n-* packages? The version in repositories is still 4.1.2.
[17:36] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install vsftpd
[17:36] <helpdesk> i want to configure my kernel for a minimalistic pc
[17:36] <helpdesk> but i cna't find the parameters or i dont know how to find the parameters in the gconf window
[17:36] <Glaive> thanks Mefisto, have sound now. Though had a glitch at first
[17:36] <manumar> ok
[17:36] <manumar> I try to install
[17:36] <manumar> on taht way
[17:37] <g_> Hey all My KDE is totally messed up
[17:37] <g_> from the updates form lastnight and this morning
[17:38] <g_> They trashed kde and now kde 4.2 and 4.1 are sort of loaded at the same time somehow
[17:38] <manumar> : No se pudo bloquear /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Recurso temporalmente no disponible)
[17:38] <manumar> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[17:38] <g_> I can see parts of kde 4.1 and parts of 4.2 are still left
[17:38] <manumar> I do that I that say to me
[17:38] <bazhang> manumar, are you using adept?
[17:38] <manumar> I have problems with permisions
[17:38] <manumar> yes
[17:38] <bazhang> manumar, or downloading something else?
[17:38] <manumar> well.
[17:39] <manumar> I use now the konsole
[17:39] <bazhang> manumar, then you have to wait until it is finished
[17:39] <bazhang> manumar, only one instance of apt can run at a time.
[17:39] <manumar> Oh
[17:39] <manumar> xD
[17:39] <manumar> thanks
[17:39] <manumar> I will try
[17:39] <g_> this is pathetic, whoever wrote that article saying that kde 4.2 might be the answer to linus is a fricking moron
[17:40] <manumar> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[17:40] <manumar> Creando árbol de dependencias
[17:40] <manumar> Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
[17:40] <manumar> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete vsftpd
[17:40] <g_> atleast kubuntu messed it up
[17:40] <syockit> jernejovc: you have them l10n packages in jaunty repo
[17:40] <manumar> It say to me that it cant found that package
[17:41] <syockit> it's not experimental for nothing, you know
[17:42] <manumar> bazhang?? =(
[17:42] <bazhang> manumar, please paste.ubuntu.com the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:42] <jernejovc> syockit:Yes, but when will they be in Intrepid repos?
 hello, I have this problem...  my machine can be restarted without a problem... but whenever I shutdown ( either system or button ) it won't start back... last time I got it started again magickally after one day or so after lots of tries... now it has been several weeks... what shall I do? there's allways some disk activity and the leds are on, but not even GRUB...
[17:42] <manumar> mmm
[17:43] <manumar> I dont understand you very good, sorry, I will think xD
[17:43] <_gl_> Hi, I am trying to do an update, but I get an error saying that there is no public key in the ppa.launchpad.net intrepid repository.
[17:43] <manumar> I ok
[17:43] <manumar> ah okok
[17:43] <bazhang> manumar, open a browser and type in the address paste.ubuntu.com
[17:43] <syockit> as the saying goes, "Get out of the kitchen! It'll be ready when it's ready"
[17:44] <bazhang> manumar, then in the konsole do the following command: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:44] <syockit> Once it's gone through the needed testing and fixing, it'll be there in the backports
[17:44] <manumar> browse =for example dolphin
[17:44] <bazhang> manumar, copy and paste that to the paste.ubuntu.com website in your browser
[17:44] <syockit> and since you downloaded it, you are part of the testers now!! enjoy your breakage :)
[17:45] <bazhang> konqueror/firefox etc manumar
[17:45] <manumar> ok
[17:45] <manumar> one sec please
[17:46] <manumar> this?
[17:46] <bazhang> then in that website, after you have pasted, hit Paste, and it will save and give you a url (web address) that you tell us here manumar
[17:46] <manumar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:46] <bazhang> manumar, yes
[17:46] <manumar> ok
[17:46] <manumar> in content
[17:46] <manumar> what I write
[17:46] <g_> is there anyone here who is qualified to take bugs?
[17:46] <manumar> the content of
[17:47] <manumar> the file that you said me before?
[17:47] <bazhang> !bugs
[17:47] <_gl_> While trying to update , I get an error saying that there is no public key in the ppa.launchpad.net intrepid repository. Is this resolvable?
[17:47] <bazhang> at launchpad address g_
[17:47] <bazhang> manumar, open the konsole
[17:47] <g_> I do not  believe anyone reads those bugs
[17:48] <bazhang> manumar, and type the command: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:48] <manumar> ok
[17:48] <bazhang> g_, well you can file a bug, but complaining here wont get it fixed in either case, filing a bug may well help
[17:49] <manumar> I see lots of things hah
[17:49] <g_> the bug filiing process wants you to name a specific package, but if the window manager is messed up what would you call that?
[17:49] <bazhang> manumar, copy all of that
[17:49] <manumar> ah
[17:49] <manumar> yeah okok
[17:49] <manumar> and I paste it on
[17:49] <manumar> ..okok
[17:49] <manumar> tahnks
[17:49] <bazhang> manumar, then paste into that browser
[17:49] <bazhang> and save via the Paste!
[17:50] <bazhang> then give us the resulting url manumar
[17:50] <manumar> ok
[17:57] <manumar> sorry
[17:57] <manumar> manumar@jubuntubox
[17:57] <manumar> xd
[17:58] <manumar> what is that? Oo
[17:58] <manumar> i need the dictionary
[17:58] <manumar> sorry
[17:58] <g_> the only repos that Ive added were the medibuntu and the kde 4.2 ones so that I can upgrade to kde 4.2
[17:58] <manumar> xD
[17:58] <manumar> ah
[17:58] <manumar> yeah
[17:58] <manumar> yes
[17:58]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[17:58] <bazhang> manumar, can you update now?
[17:58] <manumar> it do nothing
[17:59] <manumar> update my kubuntu?
[17:59] <manumar> xD
[17:59] <bazhang> sudo apt-get update
[17:59] <matisse> I was upgrading my system and also new linux-headers were downloaded, but the grub/menu.lst-config crashed and now I have a shell if I let me show the details of the upgraded...
[17:59] <manumar> I update kubuntu yesterday, because it say it to me, but afeter update, I need to format
[17:59] <manumar> xD
[18:00] <bazhang> manumar, so this is a fresh install?
[18:00] <g_> looks like I mmay need to format as well
[18:00] <bazhang> formatting is always a very last step
[18:00] <g_> yea quite possibly
[18:01] <UnknownFear> hey, maybe someone can help me. i am trying to get my sound card to work, but i can't get it to work
[18:01] <g_> anywho, I'm going to be afk, if anyone has any bright ideas for me I will check in later for any messages
[18:01] <g_> thanks
[18:02] <manumar> yes
[18:02] <manumar> my kubunutu have one or tow days :P
[18:03] <bazhang> manumar, then you should first update it
[18:03] <syockit> g_: try downgrading packages
[18:04] <bazhang> manumar, I would guess that you need to update all the sources.list and then upgrade the various packages then you can install that
[18:04] <manumar> mnm
[18:04] <manumar> ok I will do it
[18:04] <manumar> but
[18:04] <manumar> mnm
[18:04] <manumar> then i write
[18:04] <bazhang> as vsftpd is optional and not installed by default
[18:04] <manumar> in konsole, apt-get update
[18:05] <manumar> for update all my kubunutu
[18:05] <bazhang> and your sources.list do not seem to have been updated
[18:05] <manumar> mm
[18:05] <bazhang> first sudo apt-get update
[18:05] <manumar> ok I undertand
[18:05] <manumar> ok
[18:05] <the_dark_warrio> I installed Kubuntu from Ubuntu and everything went well until I tryed to update to KDE 4.2. I've followed the instructions from kubuntu website, but it can't find the packages for libical.. any tips?
[18:05] <manumar> second?
[18:05] <manumar> jeje
[18:05] <bazhang> then sudo apt-get upgrade manumar
[18:05] <bazhang> manumar, that will be a long download
[18:06] <bazhang> manumar, and when that is finished you can install vsftpd
[18:06] <manumar> mmm
[18:06] <bazhang> ie sudo apt-get install vsftpd
[18:06] <manumar> ok, I hope hat with the update my kubuntu dont crash xD
[18:06] <manumar> because 3 days ago that happen :S
[18:06] <matisse> http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brokenupdateuh5.jpg
[18:06] <manumar> I dont know what I did wrong
[18:07] <bazhang> manumar, well you could get the 8.04.2 cd iso if you wish
[18:08] <houmsick> hi
[18:08] <houmsick> how are you?
[18:08] <manumar> yes
[18:08] <syockit> matisse: hey, that's kinda kool. Is it stuck?
[18:09] <manumar> I had to do that 3 days ago xD
[18:10] <bazhang> manumar, if you got the 8.0.4.2 cd iso it would need far fewer updated packages on the fresh install
[18:10] <manumar> ahhhhhhhhh
[18:10] <manumar> I know why
[18:10] <manumar> xD
[18:10] <manumar> all thinkgs..
[18:11] <manumar> haha
[18:11] <manumar> I write sudo apt-get update, and some files dont download
[18:11] <bazhang> that would be a reason certainly manumar
[18:11] <manumar> only files which come from ubuntu.es or something like that
[18:11] <bazhang> if the sources.list was not updated then it would not know about that package
[18:12] <manumar> so it can be taht the server is down
[18:12] <bazhang> manumar, certainly possible
[18:12] <manumar> you know how can I donwload that package from other web?
[18:13] <bazhang> the newest release cd iso?
[18:13] <quassel79> hi, has anybody got the ati fglrx driver to work with jaunty?
[18:13] <bazhang> manumar, direct download or the torrent?
[18:13] <manumar> direct download, but not the ISo
[18:13] <manumar> only the program
[18:13] <manumar> ftp
[18:14] <bazhang> manumar, better to do it within the package manager
[18:14] <manumar> yeah
[18:14] <manumar> how?
[18:14] <manumar> I download the file
[18:14] <bazhang> sudo apt-get update
[18:14] <matisse> syockit: it is stuck,right
[18:15] <matisse> I can type commands there
[18:15] <manumar> and I think that i should...compile it
[18:15] <bazhang> manumar, no need for that really
[18:16] <manumar> I dont know why
[18:16] <usuario> hola
[18:16] <usuario> alguien
[18:16] <manumar> HOLA!!
[18:16] <manumar> xd
[18:16] <manumar> alguien
[18:16] <lovre> hi all
[18:16] <blknite> Hello Everyone!
[18:16] <manumar> ponte nombre usuario
[18:16] <manumar> jajaaj
[18:17] <usuario> o.k
[18:17] <manumar> xD
[18:17] <manumar> yo tb soy novato
[18:17] <manumar> pero un nombre me puse al menos
[18:17] <manumar> jaja
[18:17] <manumar> xD
[18:17] <manumar> well
[18:17] <lovre> in kubuntu 7.x i could press PrintScreen, and it would run a screen capture utility. In kubuntu 8.10, when i press PrintScreen nothing hapens. How do i capture screen?
[18:17] <syockit> matisse: try typing exit then
[18:17] <matisse> lol
[18:17] <manumar> bazhang, i dont know why when I write update...it want to download from http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/
[18:17] <matisse> wow, works!
[18:18] <manumar> that web doesnt exist!
[18:18] <syockit> matisse: it continued?
[18:18] <matisse> yes
[18:18] <syockit> matisse: I thought it would fail the installer
[18:18] <syockit> matisse: lucky you!
[18:19] <matisse> well, still I have to rerun the config program, but that should be easy :)
[18:19] <matisse> thx for help :D
[18:20] <mefisto__> manumar: have you tried different download servers?
[18:21] <SouL-x> hola
[18:21] <marcel> please how can i compile a pascal program: crt.pas - i try gpc crt.pas but error
[18:21] <linuxtest> hey guys, firefox does not recognize any file associations in kde4, how can i fix this?
[18:21] <SouL-x> alguien
[18:21] <manumar> mefisto: no
[18:21] <lovre> is there something like MS Paint but for Kubuntu? GIMP is too complicated for simple operations...
[18:22] <manumar> i dont know how do that
[18:22] <SouL-x> que me  hable español
[18:22] <manumar> soul-x
[18:22] <manumar> hablas españoles?
[18:22] <manumar> ui
[18:22] <manumar> español
[18:22] <SouL-x> si
[18:22] <manumar> yo tb
[18:22] <SouL-x> man
[18:22] <manumar> xDD
[18:22] <SouL-x> de hecho
[18:22] <manumar> tio, soy novato y noveas
[18:22] <SouL-x> tu fuiste
[18:22] <SouL-x> quien
[18:22] <mefisto__> manumar: do you have adept or synaptic running?
[18:22] <manumar> ah
[18:22] <SouL-x> me mando a cambiar
[18:22] <manumar> lo del nombre?
[18:22] <lvella> I installed kde4 on my ubuntu. Now, when I log into gnome, all the contents of my menus are gone...
[18:22] <manumar> xDDDDDDDDDDDD
[18:22] <manumar> jjajaja
[18:22] <SouL-x> eso
[18:22] <SouL-x> xd
[18:22] <SouL-x> eres
[18:23] <manumar> adept
[18:23] <SouL-x> novato
[18:23] <manumar> I have kubuntu
[18:23] <mefisto__> english in here please
[18:23] <manumar> si
[18:23] <manumar> jeje
[18:23] <manumar> mira hablemos
[18:23] <r0uzic> SouL-x: #kubuntu-es
[18:23] <SouL-x> que linux
[18:23] <SouL-x> manejar
[18:23] <SouL-x> man
[18:23] <manumar> kubuntu
[18:23] <SouL-x> version
[18:23] <r0uzic> SouL-x: este canal es de habla inglesa, ve a #kubuntu-es
[18:23] <manumar> 8.04
[18:24] <manumar> SouL-x hablamos por la ventana privada?
[18:24] <SouL-x> .k
[18:24] <mefisto__> oh come on! english only PLEASE
[18:24]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[18:25] <r0uzic> mefisto__: already :-)
[18:25] <p_quarles> !away > Sp0tKubuntu-NA
[18:29] <navarro> g'day all
[18:30] <manumar> thanks for all
[18:30] <manumar> bye
[18:33] <mefisto__> lovre: kolourpaint
[18:34] <Gooler> is kbluetooth 0.3 going to be packaged for intrepid?
[18:34] <david_edmundson> Gooler: you using the 4.2 PPA ?
[18:35] <david_edmundson> it's packaged there
[18:35] <david_edmundson> I'm using it now :-)
[18:35] <Gooler> yes, the kubuntu-experimental
[18:35] <_seantater2> I have a bcm4306 (which worked immediately), but I'm getting 70-100% signal with 40-70% packet loss
[18:36] <sandGorgon> guys... what do you think is the best virtualization software that i can run on Intrepid? i need to install linux distros using ISOs
[18:36] <david_edmundson> sandGorgon: virtualbox
[18:37] <Gooler> then is this correct?
[18:37] <david_edmundson> Gooler: kdebluetooth
[18:37] <mefisto__> sandGorgon: virtualbox works well. don't know if it's the best though
[18:37] <Gooler> $ kbluetooth4 --version
[18:37] <Gooler> Qt: 4.4.3
[18:37] <Gooler> KDE: 4.2.00 (KDE 4.2.0)
[18:37] <Gooler> KBluetooth4 - The KDE4 Bluetooth Framework: 0.1
[18:37] <david_edmundson> aye
[18:37] <lovre> mefisto__: thank you :D
[18:37] <mefisto__> lovre: that's what you want?
[18:38] <divyesh> my ubuntu is slower
[18:38] <divyesh> i installed in windows
[18:38] <lovre> mefisto__: yes, thats exactly what i want. a slimple application for simple tasks :d ty
[18:42] <mopped> hey, how can I change my resolution in kubuntu? :P
[18:42] <syockit> sandGorgon: VirtualBox is simple and quite easy to set up
[18:42] <Gooler> well i've the kubuntu-experimental ppa in my sources but the proposed updates are not enabled, can that be the problem? because currently I've version 0.2 of kdebluetooth
[18:42] <syockit> sandGorgon: download one from the website for usb support & stuff
[18:43] <mefisto__> sandGorgon: there's also a repo for virtualbox you can add to your sources.list
[18:45] <sandGorgon> syockit: mefisto__: ever tried qemu ? how does it rate ?
[18:45] <syockit> sandGorgon: I tried, was slow like heck
[18:45] <lovre> when i press CTRL+ALT+T, my konsole doesnt open up....?
[18:45] <mefisto__> sandGorgon: only ever tried vbox and had an easy time, so never tried any others
[18:45] <syockit> sandGorgon: you need to install some modules to make it run fast
[18:47] <Gooler> ok, that was it, you need to have the proposed updates enabled in order to get the new kdebluetooth
[18:47] <Gooler> thanks!
[18:47] <syockit> sandGorgon: so VirtualBox for you.
[18:48] <fw1> is kde 4.2 packed?
[18:53] <sandGorgon> how do maximize the folder view widget?
[18:57] <lovre> sandGorgon: how do you mean maximize? over entire desktop?
[18:58] <mopped> How can I change my resolution? I cant find it :E
[18:58] <lovre> mopped: do you have nvidia card?
[18:59] <syockit> sandGorgon: you can resize the widget. In 4.2, you can change your desktop to a folder view
[18:59] <lovre> mopped: System Settings -> Computer Administration -> Display
[18:59] <lovre> syockit: is 4.2 in beta? or out?
[19:01] <maco> how do i turn off message previews in kmail?
[19:01] <fw1> lovre, i am about to find out
[19:01] <syockit> 4.2 is RC1. I don't recommend you install it though, might introduce hellotof problems
[19:01] <maco> er, i thought 4.2 was released?
[19:01] <maco> we had a 4.2 release party last night.
[19:01] <fw1> syockit, you mean packaged?
[19:02] <sandGorgon> syockit: how do i resize the widget?
[19:02] <maco> sandGorgon: see the square on the bar that shows next to the widget? grab that and pull.
[19:03] <lovre> maco: rofl
[19:04] <maco> lovre: what?
[19:04] <lovre> maco: release party :D
[19:05] <mefisto__> sandGorgon: do you have kde 4.2 installed?
[19:06] <sandGorgon> mefisto__: yup...the folder view thing is buggy.. it gets stuck and all.. i got it to size a little bigger
[19:06] <maco> lovre: at least 2 people that work on making kde nice live near me, so the kubuntu community all got together
[19:07] <maco> though uh, im mostly a gnome user. just started trying kde last night
[19:08] <mefisto__> sandGorgon: you can set the entire desktop to be like folder view. right-click desktop, appearance settings, type: folder view
[19:08] <sandGorgon> mefisto__: i know... i was just playing with it... and found it not behaving very nicely
[19:10] <Kelden> hola!
[19:12] <syockit> sandGorgon: maybe you didn't like how the widget resizes from the center?
[19:12] <ActionParsni1> hey guys, does firefox not look at ~/.mozilla/plugins any more?
[19:14]  * navarro went for a puff: Gone away for now
[19:14] <utdmr> hi
[19:15] <utdmr> i want to ask some questions with my bad Englisg, who can help me?
[19:16] <ActionParsni1> !ask
[19:17] <mefisto__> ActionParsni1: I think it still does
[19:17] <jillsmitt> hey, im kde-freak-0.1.1)))) look http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=1847&key=2cdd27
[19:17] <mefisto__> ActionParsni1: flash problem?
[19:18] <utdmr> thanks. I add a new panel on the top of desktop and added a plasmoid "Digital Clock". I add some other things to its front and back but clock takes a huge area, how can i make digital clock tiny?
[19:18] <ActionParsni1> mefisto__: i'm putting the .so in the same folder and its not flying
[19:18] <maco> utdmr: right now, you can't
[19:19] <ActionParsni1> mefisto__: i've got it everywhere now to try get it to work
[19:19] <maco> utdmr: there's no spacer plasmoid and the clock and notification area both try to expand, unfortunately
[19:19] <maco> if you put more junk on your panel, it'll force the clock to squish smaller
[19:20] <utdmr> ok thanks. i'll wait updates. And highly possible i'll ask more questions about kde4. thanks for your quick reply.
[19:20] <mefisto__> ActionParsni1: make sure you have only one flash plugin listed in about:plugins in firefox
[19:21] <ActionParsni1> mefisto__: i've none
[19:24] <mefisto__> ActionParsni1: how did you get the .so ?
[19:24] <Trijntje> Hi all. I have an Acer aspire 5100 laptop with kubuntu 8.04. When i play a movie (flas, .avi etc) on my laptop the image lags after a few minutes. Does anyone know what could cause this problem?
[19:25] <ActionParsni1> download from adobe.com, extract, copy
[19:25] <CyborgNRW> !de
[19:25] <CyborgNRW> !de
[19:26] <ActionParsni1> mefisto__: got it dude, just installed from repo after getting the archive extracted
[19:32] <lorana> no no no
[19:34] <`n> hi im looking for a program to share the clipboard betwean windows and linux
[19:47] <rdeva> How do I find out if my wireless card (Broadcom 4311) is working?  It isn't scanning for any networks
[19:47] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[19:47] <DaSkreech> !broadcom
[19:48] <rdeva> I don't see anything for intrepid
[19:48] <rdeva> i have already downloaded b43-fwcutter
[19:49] <rdeva> !wifi
[19:49] <marcel> how can i specify pascal units with gpc please ?
[19:57] <lj> how do i change my name on here?
[19:58] <divyesh> join: /ubuntu
[19:58] <desu> lj: /nick
[19:59] <divyesh> join: /fedora
[19:59] <divyesh> :S
[19:59] <divyesh> divyesh: /diablo
[19:59] <mefisto__> divyesh: /join #fedora
[19:59] <divyesh> kk
[19:59] <heinkel_111> does kubuntu modify the /etc/fstab automatically?
[20:00] <maco> heinkel_111: in what situations?
[20:00] <L0Customs> thanks desu
[20:00] <heinkel_111> maco, I don't know exactly when it might have happened
[20:00] <maco> heinkel_111: well i mean, it'll write a custom one during install of course...
[20:00] <L0Customs> its been like 10 yrs since iv been on irc
[20:01] <heinkel_111> maco, I have 3 disk partitions of type vfat and ntfs and they all suddenly seem to be mounted with umask = 007
[20:01] <heinkel_111> maco, that is opposite of james bond i think.. james bond can do anything, umask 007 can do nothing, right?
[20:02] <heinkel_111> maco...I cant figure out why I should want untouchable disks???
[20:02] <White_Pelican> in what channel can I get help with Kmail?
[20:02] <heinkel_111> maco. and also i get gid=46, i think that is plugdeb
[20:02] <heinkel_111> sry plugdev
[20:03] <maco> heinkel_111: mask 007  is the same as having 770 permissions
[20:03] <maco> i thnk
[20:03] <maco> White_Pelican: here
[20:03]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[20:03] <ubaldo> hola
[20:03] <ubaldo> hay hispanos aqui??
[20:03] <mefisto__> !es
[20:03] <White_Pelican> ok, in the kmail for kde 4.2, is there any way to set up getting my mail from my yahoo account?
[20:04] <maco> White_Pelican: do you have a for-pay yahoo account?
[20:04] <maco> White_Pelican: yahoo only lets you use pop or imap if you pay them moneys
[20:04] <maco> they basically hold your emails under ransom...
[20:04] <White_Pelican> oh never mind then
[20:05] <White_Pelican> I take freebies only :)
[20:05] <maco> gmail has free pop & imap...
 hello, I have this problem...  my machine can be restarted without a problem... but whenever I shutdown ( either system or button ) it won't start back... last time I got it started again magickally after one day or so after lots of tries... now it has been several weeks... what shall I do? there's allways some disk activity and the leds are on, but not even GRUB...
[20:05] <White_Pelican> I have gmail too
[20:06] <White_Pelican> I use it exclusively in kde 3.5
[20:06] <White_Pelican> was just testing kde 4.2
[20:06] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: you could set up gmail to handle your yahoo mail and use kmail to access it all
[20:06] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: at least I think you can do that with yahoo
[20:07] <White_Pelican> oh?
[20:07] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[20:08] <astromme> I think that would require forwarding all of your yahoo mail to google
[20:08] <astromme> s/to google/to your gmail/
[20:08] <astromme> which is fine
[20:08] <astromme> but also means you can't send email from your yahoo unless you login to it
[20:08] <astromme> because no pop access.
[20:09] <White_Pelican> ah
[20:09] <White_Pelican> that's sad but predictable
[20:09] <White_Pelican> it is after all Microsoft owned
[20:09] <White_Pelican> from what I understand
[20:09] <astromme> err... because no smtp access. /shrug
[20:09] <astromme> Nope, yahoo is still yahoo
[20:09] <astromme> but msn/hotmail does the same thing
[20:09] <White_Pelican> true
[20:10] <astromme> except (interstingly) they custom build in a solution to outlook so that you can use the free account with it iirc
[20:10] <White_Pelican> at least gmail, if you'' pardon the pun, "got the message"
[20:10] <White_Pelican> :)
[20:10] <astromme> yep =)
[20:10] <White_Pelican> you mean outlook depressed? hehe
[20:10] <toor_56> lustre
[20:10] <astromme> I use a couple of email accounts (uni, uni's computer department, gmail, gmail personal, personal server) and all of them are IMAP/SMTP
[20:10] <astromme> So wonderfull
[20:11] <astromme> DIMAP on my laptop, so I always have my mail
[20:11] <White_Pelican> great aint it?
[20:11] <ActionParsni1> !upgrade
[20:11]  * astromme would never go back to pop unless he was forced to
[20:11] <maco> mefisto__: you cant setup autoforwarding in yahoo to get them all to gmail. and since free yahoo lacks pop, gmail cant automatically pull them all.
[20:11] <maco> White_Pelican: you too ^
[20:11] <s0101> whats the adress for ubuntu channel?
[20:12] <mefisto__> maco: ok
[20:12] <maco> s0101: #ubuntu
[20:12] <White_Pelican> ty maco
[20:12] <s0101> cheers
[20:12] <BluesKaj> heh, my ISP changed ti hotmail and msn ...the pop mail is pophm , instead od pop1,2 or 3 or whatever ,and the smtp1 has now become smtphm ...but i retained my right to a pop3 and smtp1  setup for my email
[20:12] <White_Pelican> good to know
[20:12] <White_Pelican> btw, I'm running intrpid with 4.2 using vbox
[20:12] <White_Pelican> I can't switch yet
[20:13] <fw1> kde 4.2 isn't very fast
[20:13] <fw1> looks good
[20:13] <White_Pelican> but, I set up a shared folder and imported my address book
[20:13] <White_Pelican> went without a hitch
[20:13] <White_Pelican> I'm assuming I can import my filters as well?
[20:13] <uga> BluesKaj: that's cheap
[20:13] <uga> and you pay them?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> wine is causing a few probs in kde4.2 ..and compiz as well ..had a bad freeze up yesterday
[20:14] <syockit> I wonder why some people got their kde4.2 slow
[20:14] <White_Pelican> what kind of problems, BluesKaj ?
[20:14] <syockit> forgot to enable dri or something?
[20:14] <maco> syockit: mine feels slow
[20:14] <uga> BluesKaj: I guess next time you'll be forwarded to the internet through an advertising based isp provider
[20:15] <maco> syockit: kde 4.2 is about as slow as gnome w/ compiz
[20:15] <uga> BluesKaj: btw, compiz???
[20:15] <uga> kde 4 doesn't use compiz
[20:15] <uga> well, you don't need to, and I think it's safer not to use it
[20:15] <maco> uga: no, not kde using compiz
[20:15] <BluesKaj> uga , I still have my orirginal mailsetup, it's just that any new customers are forced into the hotmail which is actually webmail..no I don't pay for hotmail
[20:15] <maco> gnome+compiz and kde4.2+kwin are the same speed
[20:15] <astromme> honestly, there is still a painting issue when resizing windows. it only seems to happen with toplevel windows and it's quite annoying.
[20:15] <uga> BluesKaj: phew, better =)
[20:16] <syockit> yup, anyways if you don't do tunings for the compositing, chances are you'd get slower gui
[20:16] <BluesKaj> I just pay for internet service
[20:16] <maco> astromme: its not just with resizing
[20:17] <maco> changing tabs in a preferences dialog or moving your mouse over checkboxes causes the text to jump around on top of itself and sometimes checkboxes' text is solidly blacked out
[20:17] <astromme> maco: what else is slow repainting?
[20:17] <uga> uhmm... I haven't hit any issues on either nvidia or intel for a long while
[20:17] <astromme> maco: I don't have any of those problems
[20:17] <maco> astromme: not "slow repainting" rather "not repainting correctly at all"
[20:17] <uga> but that's with self built from source
[20:17] <maco> astromme: intrepid or jaunty?
[20:17] <astromme> uga: Try this for me: Go to resize a window. Make it small, then make it large quickly. See the "blank space" before the window redraws itself?
[20:18] <astromme> maco: Jaunty, but the issue has been with me since November of 07 with the alphas. It happens with Intel and NVidia drivers
[20:18] <maco> astromme: i'm on jaunty too, and kmail's preferences dialogs dont redraw right by a long stretch
[20:18] <astromme> maco: Happens with Qt only apps like designer and assistant
[20:18] <astromme> maco: and also with kde apps
[20:19] <uga> astromme: not on the window. certain app like quassel  take some time relayouting, but I dont' think it's a repainting issue. It shows gray on the border if I do that
[20:19] <astromme> maco: Give me a screenshot.
[20:19] <uga> astromme: that also depends on the resizing mode you have though
[20:19] <Trijntje> does anyone know what can cause a movie to lag after a few minutes?
[20:19] <astromme> uga: This is a definite slowness in resizing. It could be in painting or layouting or whatever, but it is not what should be happening
[20:20] <fw1> how can i make kde 4.2 faster?
[20:20] <uga> astromme: could be. relayouting got nothing to do with gfx card though, I believe
[20:21] <astromme> uga: sure, but who cares if it's with the graphics card or not, it's still a problem that doesn't exsist with other toolkits. (See osx and vista's toolkits for examples)
[20:21] <astromme> and gtk doesn't usually have the problem either (although it can)
[20:22] <syockit> I'd rather the window do not dynamically redraw while resizing
[20:22] <syockit> I'd like it to redraw only after I let go of the mouse button
[20:23] <astromme> syockit: Out of curiosity, why?
[20:23] <uga> astromme: it does matter, if you want to report the issue to the correct place
[20:24] <uga> astromme: and well... I wonder how you managed to run osx and vista under  Xorg, for being able to compare speeds of _toolkits_
[20:24] <astromme> uga: you can run Qt on OSX and Vista you know
[20:24] <syockit> because I won't really care how it'd look like while resizing
[20:24] <syockit> but people do have different thoughts
[20:24] <uga> astromme: yes, but you don't run them under xwindows, and using compiz/kwin
[20:25] <uga> so you really cannot tell where the slowness comes from
[20:25] <astromme> syockit: It allows me to "preview" if the size I want is right for i.e. certain widths and text elements. And it lets me (as a developer) do resizes that are smooth if I want.
[20:25] <uga> astromme: or do you  mean those kde apps are also slow under windows?
[20:25] <syockit> astromme: qt on vista/osx doesn't have the problem?
[20:26] <mefisto__> Trijntje: could be many things. badly encoded file maybe?
[20:26] <maco> astromme: http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~mac/files/kmail-redraw.png
[20:26] <astromme> Meh, I don't remember offhand. I'm pretty sure it does have the problem
[20:26] <astromme> maco: that' look like gtk-qt-engine problem
[20:27] <astromme> Why are you using a gnome style if I may ask?
[20:28] <astromme> uga: do you have the same issues with Qt windows under X11?
[20:28] <maco> astromme: im using cleanlooks. trying to make the kde and gnome apps not look ridiculous together
[20:28] <judaz> hey
[20:28] <astromme> maco: I use the gtk oxygen style
[20:28] <judaz> how can I upgrade intrepid to jaunty in a fresh install kubuntu-intrepid?
[20:29] <maco> judaz: do-release-upgrade -d
[20:29] <judaz> maco: awesome.. thanx!
[20:29] <maco> judaz: as root
[20:29] <judaz> maco: done.. upgrading
[20:29] <`n> hi im looking for a program to share the clipboard betwean windows and linux
[20:30] <astromme> `n: Across 2 computers? Synergy2 (synergy2.sf.net)
[20:31] <uga> astromme: not the ones you mentioned
 ah ok i will test it thx
[20:32] <uga> astromme: I said only few apps, with very loaded guis (like quassel) have relayouting issues
[20:32] <aboSamoor> Hi, I just installed KDE 4.2. And I want to ask how can I make Firefox more integrated. The tabs are looking weird. any hints ?
[20:32] <astromme> uga: What apps are you using now that don't have issues?
[20:33] <maco> aboSamoor: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[20:33] <astromme> Every app I have open atm has issues. Quassel, Konqueror, qtcreator, kdevelop4, linuxdc++ (gnome), amarok, Kmail/Kontact,
[20:34] <Trijntje> mefisto__ I dont think so, it also lags on flash video's etc
[20:34] <astromme> (by issues I mean the resizing/redrawing/relayouting whatever it is issues)
[20:34] <fw1> i think i will try kde4.2.faster
[20:34] <uga> astromme: konqueror? kword? kate? konsole?
[20:34] <maco> astromme: also, because i like cleanlooks/clearlooks.
[20:34] <uga> astromme: it's easier to list those that have issues than those that don0t
[20:34] <mefisto__> Trijntje: graphics driver?
[20:34] <Sp0tKubuntu> Is KDE 4.2 out officiel?
[20:34] <astromme> uga: I agree
[20:35] <astromme> Sp0tKubuntu: Yes. Is Kubuntu out with a 4.2 version official? No.
[20:35] <uga> astromme: it's all down to how the app handles data for redrawing
[20:35] <maco> jaunty has it....
[20:35] <uga> it's not the toolkit that is sloe
[20:35] <Sp0tKubuntu> astromme: Ok
[20:35] <uga> s/sloe/slow
[20:35] <syockit> here's hoping qt4.5 would clear the problem
[20:35] <astromme> maco: but jaunty is not officially released at the moment.
[20:35] <fw1> kde 4.2 from the topic link is interesting
[20:36] <maco> astromme: true
[20:36] <fw1> but i am going back to gnome
[20:36] <Sp0tKubuntu> astromme: But there is a KDE 4.2 out? But not finished yet?
[20:36] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: kde 4.2 is officially released. no finished ubutnu releases have it yet.
[20:36] <astromme> uga: Kate has issues for me. Konsole does, and KWord does. I'm trying on both my Nvidia desktop (6600GT) and Intel Laptop (X3100)
[20:36] <astromme> fw1: =/. What's up/wrong?
[20:36] <Trijntje> mefisto__ I don't know, how could i check that?
[20:37] <fw1> astromme: its so, very slow
[20:37] <astromme> fw1: what do you mean by slow? And are you on NVidia?
[20:37] <fw1> its also set my default dpi to 120 i think
[20:37] <syockit> i didn't know there was ui.allow_platform_file_picker option
[20:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: I Dont understand? I have Kubuntu, not Ubuntu, but is Kubuntu Ubuntu, just with KDE?
[20:37] <fw1> astromme: yes i am
[20:37] <maco> fw1: is that why the text looks huge?!
[20:37] <astromme> fw1: You can change that in appearance settings if you wish.
[20:37] <fw1> oh its nvidia's fault?
[20:37] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: yes, kubuntu just means ubuntu with kde
[20:38] <syockit> Sp0tKubuntu: you kinda got that correct
[20:38] <uga> astromme: have you tried the nvidia settings for glyph cache etc?
[20:38] <uga> astromme: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
[20:38] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: and one more letter to type :P
[20:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: I have KDE 4.1 i can see when i boot up, but witch software sources can i find KDE 4.2 then?
[20:38] <fw1> astromme: oh, hmmm sigh, so is there a fix?
[20:38] <mefisto__> Trijntje: what graphics card do you have? if it's ati or nvidia, kmenu > system > hardware drivers to enable
[20:38] <astromme> fw1: yes, older NVidia drivers are terrible in Qt with cards like 8xxx and 9xxx
[20:38] <ghostcube> the 180.x drivers enable the glyphcache by default
[20:39] <fw1> I have a quatro 2 go
[20:39] <astromme> I have 180 drivers (I'm on Jaunty)
[20:39] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: youd have to use the unstable development release
[20:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Ok, im a little confused, im new in linux :-)
[20:39] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: im guessing you dont want to do that
[20:39] <ghostcube> but its still buggy espacially with compiz and loose-bindings :|
[20:39] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: then you DEFINITELY dont want to do that
[20:39] <fw1> not sure what model it is
[20:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Correct, but then what? Will there be a KDE 4.2 for me sometime soon then?
[20:39] <ghostcube> fw1, so do you use the 177 drivers ?
[20:39] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: in april when jaunty releases, itll include it
[20:40] <fw1> ghostcube: yep
[20:40] <ghostcube> you can just update them by installing nvidia-glx-180
[20:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: That i have tried, to install unsupportet things, bad thing for a new linux user
[20:40] <Trijntje> mefisto__: It's ATI, its enabled
[20:40] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: just be patient
[20:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Ok, cool! Thanks alot! :-)
[20:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Im patient, just courious
[20:41] <Sp0tKubuntu> :-)
[20:41] <ghostcube> fw1, and i can give u the repo of Scottk he has an new xorg-common without the patch in the officially released
[20:41] <ghostcube> it fastens things up IMHO
[20:41] <astromme> Sp0tKubuntu: There's a bunch of hype surrounding 4.2, it's natural to be curious
[20:41] <Desi_Muna> hey
[20:41] <uga> 4.3 is cool too
[20:41] <uga> :P
[20:41] <White_Pelican> 4.3?
[20:41] <Desi_Muna> how can i updates from terminal
[20:41] <aboSamoor> I used the published kde 4.2 repository in kubuntu website, but now I got amarok with KDE 3.5 ?!
[20:41] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Another thing about KDE, there is no "Magic Cube Desptop" in KDE 4.1? Only for 4.2?
[20:41] <maco> Desi_Muna: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[20:42] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: no idea. i never used 4.1. i started using kde yesterday
[20:42] <maco> <-- gnome-user, cheating on her usual desktop
[20:42] <syockit> uga: what's new in kde trunk?
[20:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: I know, just to say im not unpatient :D
[20:42] <uga> White_Pelican: people was already working on 4.3 before 4.2 was released
[20:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Ahh ok, welcome to the jungle then :-D
[20:42] <White_Pelican> oic :)
[20:42] <uga> syockit: appart from brokenness you mean? ;)
[20:42] <Desi_Muna> maco
[20:42] <White_Pelican> can't wait till summer ot see it :)
[20:42] <syockit> uga: me wants new features
[20:43] <maco> Desi_Muna: yes?
[20:43] <Desi_Muna> i can't see its updating in terminal
[20:43] <maco> Desi_Muna: what?
[20:43] <fw1> that is cool 180 nvidia packaged! very nice!
[20:43] <syockit> Sp0tKubuntu: cube's not on 4.1. I don't think it will backported
[20:43] <White_Pelican> so far the only thing that kmail for 3.5.10 doesn't export i the distribution lists
[20:43] <White_Pelican> oh well
[20:43] <Desi_Muna> Reading package lists... Done
[20:43] <Desi_Muna> i am going to pm u
[20:43] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Backported? My english is not that good
[20:43] <uga> syockit: don't bother, unless you want to code. You'll only find new bugs
[20:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Sorry, not you
[20:44] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: i didnt say backported, but it means when they take something from a new release and patch it into an old release so you can play with it without installing a whole new release
[20:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> syockit: Backported?
[20:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: My bad :-) Sorry
[20:45] <ghostcube> fw1, you can try the unpatched xorg server as well if it works better
[20:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Thanks for explayning :-)
[20:46] <syockit> Sp0tKubuntu: yeah, basically what marco said. when there's a thing in the newer version that seems important enough to be released to users of older version, they try to patch the older version to include it
[20:46] <mike1312> How to turn off session blocking when switching back
[20:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> syockit:  And thanks to you to :-)
[20:47] <astromme> mike1312: you mean where you have to enter your password to unlock the session?
[20:47] <s0101> does anybody know the link for the ubuntu channel?
[20:47] <astromme> mike1312: do you have 4.2 or 4.2?
[20:47] <astromme> s0101:  #ubuntu
[20:47] <s0101> cheers mate
[20:47] <mike1312> astromme: Yes
[20:47] <astromme> whoops, 4.2 or 4.1
[20:47] <syockit> mike1312: what's session blocking? Is it the password prompt after resuming from suspend?
[20:47] <mike1312> astromme  4.1
[20:48] <astromme> mike1312: I'm not sure how to do it in 4.1. It's in the Power Management settings under Advanced in the settings manager but you need powerdevil, which isn't included by default in 4.1
[20:48] <mike1312> syockit  When switching between two sessions
[20:50] <ozymandias3> can kde3.5 be installed on 8.10?
[20:51] <syockit> ozymandias3: normally, no. There are unwarranted methods of installing though
[20:51] <maco> ozymandias3: if you dont mind going all gentoo on it....
[20:51] <ozymandias3> *pulls hair out*
[20:51] <syockit> mike1312: not sure if there's an option specific for changing sessions
[20:51] <mike1312> astromme  thanks but I idnt find it hellow from Russia
[20:52] <fw1_> hi, ok 180 nvidia driver is much better
[20:52] <linuxtest> hello, my firefox does not recognize any file associations in kubuntu. How do i fix this? I need it to recognize that it can open pdfs with okular etc
[20:52] <astromme> fw1_: Good to hear
[20:52] <mike1312> syockit I didnt find configuring tool for this
[20:52] <fw1_> its still not as fluid as i would have hoped, but nevermind
[20:53] <alarm> hey there. i got two questions :) first one. how do i set the taskbar never to group similar windows and set this option as default (kde4.2)
[20:53] <linuxtest> also how do i add a samba printer with kde4?
[20:53] <kpblc> hello. is there a known issue with knetworkmanager in kubuntu 8.10? it doesn't allow me to set network configuration manually, but dhcp works fine. please, help me. and sorry for my english :)
[20:54] <fw1_> my mouse pad is very very slow, where can i increase the sensitivity?
[20:54] <maco> linuxtest: edit -> preferences
[20:55] <maco> linuxtest: applications
[20:55] <maco> linuxtest: then pick a file type and set the app to use on the right
[20:56] <linuxtest> maco: thanks
[20:57] <alarm> when pluging my external ntfs drive (usb) on kubuntu 8.10 i get this error "kubuntu 8.10 an error occurred while accessing the system responded: org.freedesktop.HAL.device.volume.unknownfailure"....  and i cannot access its content
[20:57] <kpblc> helllllooooo... can anyone help?
[20:58] <Trijntje> fw1_ Kmenu ->systemsettings -> keybord and mouse
[20:58] <incorrect> Trijntje: slight problem there doesn't seem to be a sensitivity option
[20:58] <maco> incorrect: lemme fine it
[21:00] <maco> incorrect: http://jann.is/daily/archives/823-Kubuntu-8.10-beta-KDE-4.1-synaptics-TouchPad-problem.html
[21:00] <incorrect> lol my touch pad is like dragging my figure through mud
[21:01] <incorrect> my scrolling works, its just slow
[21:02]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[21:04] <ubuntu_> Hello, can someeone please link me somewhere to find out what manager for Linux would be best for me....Like a site that compares.....Im used to gnome, But I have heard that its not the best.
[21:04] <incorrect> its the sensitivity, i don't see any options just for a basic mouse
[21:04] <alarm> ubuntu_,  gnome and kde is what is most popular
[21:04] <Desi_Muna> how can i orginize upgrade?
[21:04] <alarm> if u are used to gnome why changing ?
[21:04] <Desi_Muna> aptitude upgrade looks messy
[21:04] <Trijntje> incorrect: there is an option 'acceleration', doesnt that work?
[21:05] <Desi_Muna> can't be new line after each update list?
[21:05] <Desi_Muna> its hard to read stuffs from list
[21:05] <ubuntu_> alarm: is there a big differnece in performace?
[21:06] <alarm> i have the sensetion that gnome is more lightweight
[21:06] <alarm> and "maybe" less buggy
[21:07] <Desi_Muna> can anyone help??
[21:07] <incorrect> sweet, found it!
[21:07] <incorrect> oh firefox looks ugly now
[21:07] <malv> kde 4.2 rocks my world. except dragon player can't seem to skip forward in a movie when i press either <-- or -->
[21:08] <malv> what's up with that?
[21:08] <pepo> hola
[21:08] <alarm> malv go for mplayer or vlc
[21:08] <Trijntje> incorrect: is your mouse ok now?
[21:08] <malv> also, it stammers when two videos are open
[21:08] <Desi_Muna> why aptitude upgrade doesn't look good?
[21:08] <incorrect> Trijntje: just about
[21:08] <ubuntu_> alarm: so gnome is more lightwieght(So in theory should be faster)....And "less" buggy, (Which I'm sure is arguable lol)......So gnome would be a good choice? if im used to it?....I have heard KDE was alot more customiziable.
[21:09] <malv> gnome is less buggy than kde
[21:09] <malv> but gnome doesn't move
[21:09] <alarm> malv yeap, thats what i also think
[21:09] <maco> does anyone know if it's possible to force aptitude's update list to have one package per line like how yum does? Desi_Muna likes yum's formatting better and i cant find help in aptitude's manpage
[21:09] <alarm> ubuntu_,  kde is more 'eye candy'
[21:09] <shadowhywind>  I am trying to mount a 1.3TB partition, everytime i try the console freezes aanyone have any ideas?
[21:09] <malv> a major update for gnome is a new button
[21:09] <incorrect> malv: gnome 2 has been at gnome 2 for like 6-7 years now
[21:09] <alarm> more customizable i dont think so
[21:09] <maco> ubuntu_: kde has many many more options, yes.
[21:10] <ubuntu_> Ok.
[21:10] <malv> given how little gnome changes I do get upset when I do find a bug
[21:10] <ubuntu_> Thank you both for answering my questions and your time :).
[21:10] <alarm> the good thing with kde is you will find more K-apps without needing the gnome libraries
[21:10] <donny> ciao a tutti
[21:10] <alarm> give it a try and if you dont like it you can still change it
[21:10] <malv> quite surprised as how well kde 4.2 works considering how much has changed
[21:10] <alarm> i just learned with kde and stayed with it
[21:10] <incorrect> is there a version of firefox using qt?
[21:10] <giz> bongiorno donny
[21:10] <malv> but it's still considerably buggy, at least from my experience
[21:11] <malv> not grandma-grade yet
[21:11] <donny> ciao giz.....  veramente qui sono le 22.10 :)
[21:11] <Desi_Muna> hey how can i use yum to work in ubuntu?
[21:11] <malv> why?
[21:12] <mefisto__> incorrect: no
[21:12] <donny> i want sleep
[21:12] <Trijntje> does anyone have any tips on debugging laggy video (flash, avi, etc)on kubuntu 8.04?
[21:12] <incorrect> is konq better than it used to be?
[21:13] <mefisto__> incorrect: as a browser, it's a little better, faster
[21:13] <senorpedro> hi folsk
[21:13] <senorpedro> folks
[21:13] <senorpedro> how can i make firefox not look like s***t in kubuntu 8.10?
[21:13] <syockit> but it still won't render my pages correctly
[21:13] <senorpedro> i just installed it and it seems it has no gtk theme applied
[21:13] <alarm> senorpedro,  install gtk-engine for kde4
[21:13] <syockit> senorpedro: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[21:14] <incorrect> kopete is a bit better than it used to be
[21:14] <mefisto__> senorpedro: there's a firefox theme you could try
[21:14] <alarm> ok syockit  gave the complete answer , follow the instructions !
[21:14] <White_Pelican> wht improvements have been mae to kopete?
[21:14] <alarm> White_Pelican,  they made it worse
[21:14] <alarm> its just dissapointing !!!!!!!
[21:14] <mefisto__> senorpedro: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[21:14] <White_Pelican> oh dear
[21:14] <White_Pelican> define worse
[21:14] <maco> senorpedro:
[21:15] <maco> senorpedro: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[21:15] <alarm> White_Pelican,  msn transfer wasnt fixed
[21:15] <alarm> irc protocol was removed
[21:15] <syockit> I wish someone taught me that earlier. now im all opera
[21:15] <mefisto__> no one has deliberately made anything worse. kde4 is still quite new
[21:15] <White_Pelican> what about yahell transfer?
[21:16] <White_Pelican> I used to use opera but went back to firefox
[21:16] <alarm> the files are being transfered with 1,2 kb /s
[21:16] <alarm> thats not transfering , thats wasting time
[21:16] <White_Pelican> but it works finally? that's my point
[21:17] <alarm>  White_Pelican  if 1,2kb/s is working for you, the yes it works. i want to make use of my bandwidth
[21:17] <White_Pelican> file transfers on the old kopete for kde 3.5.10 doesn't even work on Yahoo
[21:17] <alarm> still same
[21:17] <senorpedro> how can i make kde4.2 stop flickering?
[21:18] <alarm> they dont work even now i think
[21:18] <senorpedro> it flickers every 4 secs or so
[21:18] <White_Pelican> dang it
[21:18] <senorpedro> its annoying
[21:18] <Desi_Muna> how can i upgrade to KDE 4.2 ?
[21:18] <incorrect> can konversation do spell checking on what i type?
[21:18] <alarm> White_Pelican,  best solution is amsn , i was using kopete for 2 years , no i just left it aside , dissapointing job
[21:18] <White_Pelican> what about pidgin?
[21:18] <astromme> senorpedro: System Settings -> Advanced -> Services -> Disabled "XRANDR monitor detection" or something like that
[21:18] <astromme> senorpedro: you might have to relog/restart X
[21:19] <alarm> pidgin is a good multi protocol app. thats what i use under windows where i dont want to have 23123908 apps . no camera support
[21:19] <alarm> install them and see what suits you well. i just use xchat and amsn on linux and get better support on my needs
[21:19] <senorpedro> astromme: thx buddy
[21:20] <giz> hi all someone know why a package would be kept back?
[21:21] <maco> giz: it has a dependency that hasnt hit the repo yet, most likely
[21:22] <giz> ah ok thanks, I thought it was because of my recent repo switch to kubuntu from ubuntu main
[21:22] <senorpedro> ok, flickering stopped :)
[21:22] <mefisto__> incorrect: konversation can do spell checking
[21:22] <maco> there's no repo switch involved...
[21:23] <senorpedro> why's resizing kde3 apps so slow?
[21:23] <alarm> how can i make similar windows not to group on the taskbar (as default for all windows) on kde4
[21:23] <senorpedro> how can i make the panel auto-hide?
[21:23] <senorpedro> how can i set konqueror as default file manager?
 hello, I have this problem...  my machine can be restarted without a problem... but whenever I shutdown ( either system or button ) it won't start back... last time I got it started again magickally after one day or so after lots of tries... now it has been several weeks... what shall I do? there's allways some disk activity and the leds are on, but not even GRUB...
[21:23] <senorpedro> is amarok2 not integrated in kubuntu 8.10?
[21:24] <giz> maco: I Added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main to my sources.list
[21:24] <maco> giz: ah! ok
[21:26] <giz> maco: Is it possible to remove gnome without breaking packages?
[21:26] <senorpedro> oh man, the kde4 konqueror sucks as file manager
[21:26] <senorpedro> the tree-view is buggy
[21:27] <senorpedro> where are the + icons?
[21:27] <mefisto__> alarm: right-click panel, task manager settings
[21:27] <maco> giz: sure, you can remove all the gnome apps you dont want...
[21:27] <siegie> senorpedro: dolphin?
[21:27] <senorpedro> dolphin sucks even more
[21:27] <senorpedro> i refuse to use dolphin
[21:27] <giz> thnks maco
[21:28] <astromme> senorpedro: =/.
[21:28]  * astromme is a fan of dolphin. Simple, clean and "just works" in his opinion.
[21:28] <alarm> mefisto__,  i dont see something that has to do with grouping (kde4.2)
[21:28] <s0101> can i get adress to ubuntu channel if anybody knows
[21:28] <senorpedro> honestly, konqueror in kde 3.5. was the best file manager in the world, i never understood the decision to implement dolphin
[21:29] <mefisto__> alarm: you don't see "grouping and sorting" in task manager settings?
[21:30] <alarm> first of all there is no option task manager settings
[21:30] <alarm> but panel settings (if this is what you mean)
[21:30] <alarm> and there is nothing, no
[21:30] <s0101> ubuntu channel?
[21:31] <mefisto__> senorpedro: I guess some people don't agree
[21:31] <maco> s0101: how hard is it to remember #ubuntu?
[21:31] <senorpedro> because they dont know konqueror
[21:31] <s0101> i didint know where to put it manual
[21:31] <mefisto__> alarm: you are running kde 4.2 ?
[21:32] <senorpedro> why's konquerors sidebar broken? it doesnt show the dir-hierarchy (is empty) and the icons are all questionmarks
[21:32] <alarm> mefisto__,  yes , i wrote it above
[21:32] <david_> I am trying to run a Soundblaster Audigy 1 [SB0090] but I cannot get it to work, the driver is installed, but I still hear no sound
[21:33] <jimmy51_home> hello, i just installed several updates (from the past week or so) and now compiz doesn't work at all.  has that been happening?
[21:33] <s0101> #ubuntu
[21:33] <ka> senorpedro: sidebar works fine for me
[21:34] <jimmy51_home> Segmentation fault, Segmentation fault, kwin(5959) KDecorationPlugins::loadPlugin: kwin : path  "/usr/lib/kde4/kwin3_ozone.so"  for  "kwin3_ozone"  Checking for Xgl: not present.
[21:35] <jimmy51_home> does that mean my 3d accelerated drivers aren't running anymore?
[21:36] <david_> how can i get my sound to start working?
[21:37] <jimmy51_home> david_: sometimes you need to set the levels in the mixer
[21:38] <david_> mixer levels are set and nothing is muted
[21:38] <jimmy51_home> alsamixer?
[21:38] <david_> KMix
[21:38] <david_> using the ALSA driver
[21:39] <jimmy51_home> i've had to open some old text based one to enable channels... but i don't know too much about it.
[21:39] <mefisto__> alarm: http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taskmvq9.png and http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taskmsettingsab7.png
[21:39] <jimmy51_home> ooh, glxinfo shows problems
[21:40] <jimmy51_home> maybe the new kernel isn't playing well with my video driver?
[21:40] <BleSS> I had to change to ubuntu when I updated kubuntu to 8.10 (this will not be anything new) ;)
[21:40] <BleSS> does kde 4.2 is on repositories to install from apt? and (the most important) is it *stable*?
[21:40]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[21:40] <jimmy51_home> rebooting with old kernel...
[21:41] <alarm> nop dont have this option
[21:42] <mefisto__> david_: does " cat /proc/asound/modules " show more than one module?
[21:42] <alarm> strange
[21:42] <alarm> i'll see what i'll do
[21:42] <alarm> thanks anyway
[21:42] <n_> astromme, synergy looks very nice thx. is it possible only to change keyboard and not the mouse?
[21:42] <mefisto__> alarm: are you absolutely sure you've got 4.2 running?
[21:42] <alarm> yeap :)
[21:42] <mefisto__> hmm
[21:43] <astromme> n_: Hmm, I don't think so
[21:43] <alarm> no worries i will figure out how :) thank you still
[21:43] <david_> how would i check that
[21:43] <n_> :( there has to be a way u can lock the mouse on the destination screen...
[21:45] <mefisto__> david_: open konsole and type: cat /proc/asound/modules
[21:45] <White_Pelican> what's the repository that has amarok 2?
[21:46] <david_> i see the following:
[21:46] <david_> 0 snd_emu10kl
[21:46] <david_> and 1 snd_hda_intel
[21:46] <mefisto__> david_: do you know which one you have speakers connected to?
[21:46] <senorpedro> how can i disable sounds in kopete?
[21:47] <senorpedro> and that stupid pop-up
[21:47] <senorpedro> when someone writes something
[21:47] <mefisto__> senorpedro: I bet it's in kopete settings
[21:47] <david_> no, I am using a SoundBlaster Audigy 1 [SB0090]
[21:48] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: settings->configure notifications
[21:48] <neothecat> good afternoon.  after my upgrade, it seems like my Amarok has gotten all screwy.  keyboard problems, slow, not stopping tracks... anybody else see this?
[21:48] <senorpedro> thats not there
[21:48] <senorpedro> i'm searching all the time
[21:49] <mefisto__> david_: you could try blacklisting the intel one so the module for it doesn't load
[21:49] <senorpedro> honestly kde4 is the biggest crap ever, 3.5 was million times better
[21:50] <david_> how would that work
[21:50] <david_edmundson> senorpedro:  ok, I'll tell Aaron and we'll scrap it all and go back to how it was
[21:51] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: did you find 'configure notifications' ?
[21:51] <mefisto__> david_: if you blacklist the intel one (probably built in to your motherboard) it won't work in linux
[21:51] <senorpedro> nope, because its not there
[21:51] <Coggz> Got problems with MSN protocol.. someone please help! Pidgin, aMSN, Kopete etc wont connect to msn using libpurple or msn-pecan
[21:51] <giz> david_edmundson: funny how people resist change.
[21:51] <david_> so that would hopefully result in my Audigy working then?
[21:51] <beachsurfin> what's with the chinese font in my save dialog? http://bayimg.com/upload
[21:52] <beachsurfin> http://bayimg.com/GanpLAaBE   **
[21:52] <CyborgNRW> !de
[21:52] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: are you running KDE 4.1  or 4.2 ?
[21:52] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: ah, look in the settings menu on the main kopete window (buddy list one) not a chat window
[21:52] <david_edmundson> they have different settings
[21:53] <senorpedro> thats what im doing
[21:53] <david_edmundson> giz: tell me about it - I'm trying to persuade my company to upgrade their KDE3.4 to 3.5 !
[21:53] <mefisto__> david_: they should be able to work together, but you could try blacklisting
[21:53] <senorpedro> kde4.2
[21:53] <david_> how would i do that
[21:53] <mefisto__> david_: if you're not using the other one at all
[21:53] <senorpedro> kopete 0.60.3
[21:53] <White_Pelican> did anyone see my last question? I got no response
[21:53] <jimmy51_home> what would cause glx to seg fault after rebooting when it had been working fine for months?
[21:54] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: you sure youre on 4.2? my kopete version is 0.7
[21:54] <senorpedro> it seems kubuntu8.10 has kde4.1.3 installed....
[21:54] <david_edmundson> ah
[21:54] <senorpedro> no, i think its 4.1.
[21:54] <jimmy51_home> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[21:54] <david_edmundson> yeah, you're on 4.1.3 I'm sure there used to be notifications there (btw, you can also reach it at systemsettings->notifications then selecting kopete from the drop down)
[21:54] <senorpedro> but that sound and that popups are extreme annoying
[21:54] <mefisto__> david_: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[21:55] <david_edmundson> yeah, I've disabled almost all sounds
[21:55] <david_edmundson> I don't want my computer beeping at me.
[21:55] <senorpedro> thats a good idea
[21:55] <etfb> What can I do in Kubuntu 8.10 to reduce battery usage?  My brand new laptop seems to have a life of 40 minutes on a full charge...
[21:55] <david_> okay, did that
[21:55] <senorpedro> i disable all sounds
[21:56] <senorpedro> how can i disable all sounds with one click? in 3.5 that was possible
[21:56] <mefisto__> david_: ok, at the end of that file (on a new line on it's own) put this in: blacklist snd_hda_intel
[21:56] <White_Pelican> NM I figured it out myself
[21:56] <david_edmundson> anyhoo, if you know what you're doing - you might want to try KDE4.2 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 see here
[21:57] <maco> senorpedro: you could map a shortcut in khotkeys to mute all...
[21:57] <mefisto__> david_: then ctrl-X to quit. it will ask if you want to save the changes
[21:57] <david_edmundson> or under system settings -> notifications-> player 'no sounds' that way your other audio stuff'll work still
[21:57] <senorpedro> maco: i dont want no shortcut, i want them muted forever
[21:58] <senorpedro> ok thx david_edmundson
[21:58] <mefisto__> david_: once you've made that change and saved it, the next reboot will ignore that card and not load the module
[21:58] <david_> okay, thank you, i'm going to reboot now
[21:59]  * maco smacks kmail
[21:59] <maco> stupid thing keeps scrolling down to the bottom of the message list *all by itself*
[22:00] <maco> i want to see the top of the list
[22:01] <giz> How do you use nepomuk?
[22:02] <etfb> Wow!  Adept in KDE4.2 is even stupider and less usable than it was in KDE4.1!  I never would have thought it possible!
[22:03] <maco> how do i tell kde to pick a browser and stick with it?
[22:03] <etfb> maco: Which version?
[22:03] <maco> 4.2
[22:03] <pablopablovski> abloPablovski
[22:03] <etfb> maco: System Settings | Default Applications
[22:03] <maco> links from pidgin open in epiphany (???), links from kmail open in konq, and other links open in firefox
[22:04] <beachsurfin> as mentioned previously, this is what my /sbin/iptables looks like in vim and cat
[22:04] <beachsurfin> http://bayimg.com/HANmPaabe
[22:04] <beachsurfin> anyone know what the problem may be?
[22:04] <etfb> maco: In the Web Browser section (choose that from the list on the side) tell it to open links in firefox (or whatever) instead of konq.
[22:05] <giz> bye ya'll
[22:05] <maco> etfb: will that make pidgin stop using epiphany too?
[22:05] <maco> etfb: nevermind
[22:06] <maco> pidgin apparently has a browser setting of its own. in gnome it opens in firefox. in kde, pidgin decided to use "sensible-browser" (which i guess means epiphany)
[22:07] <mefisto__> try symlinking "sensible-browser" to firefox. that might be a simple fix
[22:08] <maco> i just changed it to say firefox, but i dont know why pidgin does different things based on if im using kde or gnome
[22:08] <neothecat> can anyone recommend any good podcatching software that works well with OPML (and NOT amarok)?
[22:08]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[22:09] <Szadek> hello , is there bespin style debs updated for kubuntu ???
[22:14] <jcyv> hi
[22:14] <jcyv> hi
[22:14] <jcyv> dicovering 8.10
[22:15] <jcyv> network manager is 50 % of CPU
[22:15] <fw1> is there kdevelop for 4.2?
[22:20] <ogre> im trying to set colors on  <system settings <appearance and trying to match them up. there seems to be a fade in color from below window decoration how do i fix this? intrepid kde4 btw
[22:21]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[22:22] <david_edmundson> ogre: uner window decorations select ozone
[22:23] <david_edmundson> ogre: there was a disagreement between the oxygen team and another guy about having a fade in, the compromise was to make another decoration set which allowed turning it off
[22:24] <maco> oh is *that* what the difference is?
[22:24] <astromme> fw1: KDevelop4 (KDE4 kdevelop) is still under development
[22:24] <maco> i couldnt see any difference in the screenshots
[22:26] <gabrieltux> Holaa
[22:27] <ogre> david_edmundson:  beautiful, thank you. its my second day on kde4 and im trying to set my colors so far im looking pretty good. i think im going to submit to kde-look when im done
[22:27] <gabrieltux> Hi
[22:27] <david_edmundson> ogre: awesome. I'll be sure to have a look :-)
[22:28] <fw1> oh java apps don't have qt bindings, just gnome?
[22:29] <AlanasAnikonis> i think i've seen java -qt libs
[22:29] <david_edmundson> aye, apt-cache search java qt brings up results
[22:29] <fw1> netbeans looks very ugly
[22:29] <david_edmundson> though a lot have qt3 in the name
[22:30] <senorpedro> !mp2
[22:30] <senorpedro> !mp3
[22:32] <mefisto__> libqt3-java ?
[22:34] <david_edmundson> I imagine that's for developing QT apps in java, it won't magically transofrm everything
[22:41] <senorpedro> where can i get kubuntu 8.04?
[22:43] <mefisto__> kubuntu.org ?
[22:46]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[22:47] <tomdavidson> hello, having troubles with upgradeing 8.10 to kde 4.2. I followed the directions from the kubuntu.org news article and have posted here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6653398#post6653398 not meaning to cross post, but i should have been looking here first.
[22:48] <velroij> #kubuntu-devel
[22:52]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[22:52] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: so the problem is packages are kept back?
[22:53] <Frederick> folks Ive installed a karamba applet but it does not inform my pc temperature do I need to install any package so it works??
[22:53] <tomdavidson> mefisto__:  sorry, wasnt very clear, the problem is now window decorations and im wondering how to verify the upgrade?
[22:54] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: in konqueror, help > about KDE
[22:55] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: I had gwenview held back but not all those others. I removed gwenview, then installed it again. seemed to work
[22:56] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: ok, kde 4.2 thanks. ok, will try the gwenview
[22:58] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: any ideas about the window decorations?
[23:00] <kilani> i need help with a distribution upgrade
[23:01] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: just guessing, but I would probably log out of kde, log in terminal, try removing those packages, then manually install them again. then log in to kde and see if it's any better. but again, that's just what my instinct tells me
[23:02]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[23:02]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[23:03] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: ok, will give it a go, thanks
[23:03] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: let me know if that works
[23:05] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: will do, thanks for the suggestions
[23:11] <Frederick> folks Ive installed a karamba applet but it does not inform my pc temperature do I need to install any package so it works??
[23:12] <axel> hola
[23:14] <dewman> lotta people here...but no ones talking... must be sleeping.... =)
[23:15] <tomdavidson> I can try to help, what is up?
[23:21] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: had to remove quanta.... loging in, and now i could visually see the differnce from 4.1, but still no window decorations
[23:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> Where do i put my auth for "Konversation", F8? And then Auto ident?
[23:22] <ubuntu_> hello
[23:23] <Carefree> what's a good tool for linux to defragment my NTFS vista partition?
[23:23] <Carefree> i'm using a live CD so that none of the windows files are in use for more effective defragmentation
[23:25] <mefisto__> Carefree: why not use windows to do it? I don't think linux tools are the way to go, if they exist at all
[23:25] <Carefree> it move files out of the end of the drive
[23:25] <Carefree> it won't move them
[23:26] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: run upgrade again and it caught libkdecorations4 and system-config-printer-kde, not out have the window boarders and what not. im fixed up. thanks.
[23:27] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: good news. was that done when logged in to kde? just trying to work out whether it makes a difference if kde is running or not
[23:28] <jirik> Hi, I would like to report bug. Maybe it is not bug, but it is very annoying. I have HP 6720s with Intel Dual core processor, 3 GB Ram and integrated Intel 965 graphic card. Alongside I expect perfect 3D effects. But there are two problems. The first:
[23:30] <jirik> 1) When I maximalize the window via click in the system tray and the "maximalize" effect will open it, the window is maximalized, for a tiny part of second it is all white and after that is displayed its content. Disgusting ...
[23:30] <Sp0tKubuntu> Where do i put my auth for "Konversation", F8? And then Auto ident?
[23:31] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: i stoped kdm will i was working on it and then restarted after the packages were reinstalled. when i still lacked the decorations, i upgraded via apt-get again and restarted kdm. does that answear your question?
[23:32] <cbwcjw> jirik: http://bugs.kde.org
[23:32] <jirik> 2) By right-clicking on windows decoration, system tray etc. is displayed list of available actions as "Task manager options" or "Configure windows behaviour". This menu is displayed sometimes correctly, but sometimes after very tiny black-color-weird-something instead of menu.
[23:32] <cbwcjw> !bugs
[23:33] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: i would like to try and help, but other than useing konversation myself, i do not have a clue what you are trying to accomplish. canyou give more info?
[23:33] <jirik> cbwcjw: I see, but I would like to know, whether it is general problem KDE 4.2, or I have only integrated graphic card and this is the problem.
[23:33] <cbwcjw> jirik: If it is an ubuntu-related bug, do the 2nd one. Your problem seems like it should be on kde.org
[23:33] <cbwcjw> jirik: Probably the drivers, but im not sure.
[23:34] <jirik> cbwcjw: Drivers for Intel graphic card are not installed by user, but are in linux-core (?)
[23:34] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Do you know auth on quakenet?
[23:36] <Fieldy> !vmware
[23:36] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: i c now. no, i have never done anything with quakenet. sorry
[23:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson:  So you dont where to fill out the infos i have for using it?
[23:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Maybe there is no "Auth" section in "Konversation"
[23:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> Anyone inhere knows if there is a "Auth" function like used on Quakenet in "Konversation"? Plz PM me
[23:39] <adben> hi everyone... i wanna ask you ... how can i do a deep clean of the kde user , not just "rm -R ~/.kde" , 'cuz kbuildsycoca4 crashes and didn't let me in, but other user does..
[23:39] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: i know there is auth for irc. what is quakenet?
[23:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Quakenet is a server for IRC like "Ubuntu IRC"
[23:41] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: But do you know where i fill out the "Auth" part in konversation?
[23:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: I have the infos from quakenet, i just wonder where to put then, thet have to be loader every time i connect to give me the right ident
[23:42] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: thats what i was thinking.... i was mistaken with my prev statment of auth in konversation. i am using kopete. auth settings of user/passwd are onthe basic tab of the account set up.
[23:43] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Ahh, that ok! :-) I need to find it in Konversation
[23:43] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: installin konversation right now...
[23:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Cool, thanks alot, cant find it, or im not sure its the right thing i have found, F8 idendities, and then auto ident
[23:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> But dosent seem to work
[23:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: BRB, have to test
[23:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Dosent seems to work in there
[23:47] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: what about the service and password fields in the identity set up dialog?
[23:47] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: I have tryed, but im not sure how to fill em ind
[23:48] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: or when i go to add server, i am promted to enter a password (but no username, quakenet reserves nicknames right? so maybe that is the username)
[23:49] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: with out an quakenet account im leaning on the password when the server is added
[23:50] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: BRB. trying again
[23:55] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Trying again! BRB
[23:58] <tbr281> noticed something on 4.2
[23:59] <tbr281> when installing a new app it doest show up in the K menu