=== huayra_ is now known as huayra [19:55] good evening [19:56] hello there... [19:56] Good Evening to you too [19:56] how are things shahriar86 [19:56] trying to survive.... [19:57] how about you? [19:57] I bet you have been busy :P [19:58] yes, I have [19:58] I was hoping to come up with a plan on how to get the spreadubuntu site up [19:59] and instead of focusing on bigi release rather have small milestones [19:59] in that way we can get wuick wins up ASAP [19:59] and get people motivated [19:59] true [20:00] can you look into making localization more user friendly? [20:00] I tried that without much success.... [20:04] indeed [20:04] we got a lot of feedback on localization [20:04] and tried 2 methods [20:04] but they were incompatible [20:04] we need to find a way to abstract the content we add and the content that is "vanilla drupal" [20:05] humm.. hope they are fixed soon... [20:05] any other aspects that need updates? [20:05] I have not been able to get in touch much [20:05] been busy with local projects [20:07] e have all been very busy [20:07] true [20:08] I am now stepping down from many of my roles both in the Ubuntu community and non-virtual communities in order to focus on SpreadUbuntu [20:09] humm that must be hard [20:10] yeah, it's taking more time than I wish it did [20:10] but when I'm done I will be more productive all in all for the SU project [20:11] and thus hopefully take off and get even more people involved [20:12] hopefully [20:12] well, we have to make a reestructuration of the project and migrate top drupal6 [20:13] that will helps us stay in touch with the general LoCo trend [20:13] and also we will very likely make Spread Ubuntu a module for drupal [20:13] so that we can work with our module and let drupal be [20:13] that seems like a likely approach [20:14] humm.... [20:14] that might work well .. :) [20:15] when the meeting officially starts? [20:15] do we have some time in hand? [20:15] (if we have time I may then go finish my dinner, yet to have my dinner...) [20:16] Started at 20UTC [20:16] it seems there is just you and I [20:16] that tells me it should be started by me [20:16] any other people attending the SpreadUbuntu meeting? [20:16] ohh :| [20:16] huayra: I'm listening. :D [20:16] hi michelleribeiro [20:16] :) [20:16] welcome! [20:16] welcome michelleribeiro [20:17] Let me introduce myself: I'm a brazilian girl, who used to help on Debian. I was one of the Debconf 4, where Ubuntu was announced. [20:17] it might be good idea to change the channel status (welcome msg.... what it is called?) to let people know it's started? [20:17] I'm a marketing professional and economics student, at LSE. [20:18] wow [20:18] And would like to help on ubuntu-marketing from now. [20:18] your skills are for sure needed ! [20:18] huayra, shahriar86: Thanks. :D [20:18] cool [20:18] huayra: I hope so. [20:18] well shahriar86 shall we introduce ourselves? [20:19] michelleribeiro, isso quer dizer que sabes falar português :-P [20:19] hi trmanco [20:19] huayra, Hello [20:19] yo hablo español pero portugés no ;) [20:19] pero lo entiendo [20:19] :-P [20:19] trmanco: Absolutamente. [20:19] hi trmanco [20:19] michelleribeiro: brazilian? [20:19] huayra, you are from spain? [20:20] ops, I mean you, trmanco [20:20] no, I'm from Ecuador [20:20] are you* [20:20] latin-amer [20:20] ican [20:20] michelleribeiro, no, I'm from Portugal [20:20] huayra, cool :D [20:20] nice country Portugal [20:20] huayra, I woudn't say that if I were you [20:20] trmanco: Oh, family is from Portugual. :) [20:21] Well, meeting? [20:21] I'm Shahriar from Bangladesh, Marketing major student (still lot to learn) interested in localization, communication, FOSS & UBuntu Linux [20:21] yeah, the meeting is started by introducing ourselves [20:21] shahriar86: The world is really flat. Hi there, shahriar86 [20:22] it sure is michelleribeiro [20:22] :) [20:22] hello [20:22] My name is Rubén Romero. Have used FLOSS for over a decade and work as CIdO (sort of a VP) and as a Sales Advisor in a Norwegian free software company called FreeCode. I have been an ubuntu member since last year and have worked with LoCos and Marketing since 2005 [20:23] basically the goal of this meeting is to discuss SpreadUbuntu, a project the Ubuntu Marketing team [20:23] *by theubuntu M... [20:24] ok, so looks like I'm the youngest one here [20:24] :| [20:24] by experience or age? trmanco? [20:24] trmanco, how old are you? I'm 27 [20:24] :| [20:24] I am inexperienced too.... [20:24] I'm 22 [20:24] we are all inexperienced in some way ;) [20:24] I'm only 18 and I'm a simple high school student [20:25] almost 19 though [20:25] :) [20:25] same age group.... [20:25] something like I was when I started with GNU/Linux [20:25] it's good to have young blood [20:25] young blood = high energy [20:25] I started two years ago with Feisty [20:25] and with the right motivation and canalization you can get very far [20:25] :D [20:26] Ok. 29 here, but it does not mean nothing. [20:26] huayra: are you old? (old blood??) in our country maturity starts at 25 so..... :| [20:26] :) [20:26] age does not matter actually.... [20:26] ok [20:26] any way you can continue discussion [20:26] I propose we go through the following points: [20:27] * What do we want with the SpreadUbuntu project [20:27] * When do we want to achieve it [20:27] * How we can do it [20:27] and [20:27] * what can you cooperate with [20:27] so let me introduce to you SpreadUbuntu: [20:28] What is SpreadUbuntu? [20:28] The Idea we are trying to make a reality has been taken up many times. Always in a slightly different way, with different goals, under different names. So what is this project exactly? I will now explain what SU will eventually be, and what it will eventually consist of, this is the long-term, global conception. [20:28] First: it is called SpreadUbuntu (SU for short). Don't mix it up with the former project, we just love the name, changing the concept a bit. It is a site aiming two audiences: the excited new user and anyone willing to solve Bug #1. Although the visitor will see it as a whole, we actually have two sub-projects, that we will from now on call Site and diy, SU being it all. (Again: forget about what used to be DIYWebsite, etc...) So [20:28] that's for the naming. The site part will be accessed via www.spreadubuntu.com (currently still pointing to ubuntu.com) and the diy part will be transparently integrated in the site part. However, if you're not interested in the site part, a subdomain, diy.spreadubuntu.com, will directly point to the diy part. All clear? Let's see what these parts consist of then... [20:29] The Site part is very much like the former SpreadUbuntu project. It aims to ease the excited new user from exploring the community straight to spreading Ubuntu in his locality. The Site has a community strengthening role, making it easier to understand what everything is about, providing a communication platform, possibly a user-map, etc... If you want to know more about this section, we work on the Site here. [20:29] The diy part is actually a dynamic repository, for posters, artwork, presentations, flyers and general marketing and/or community resources. It is inspired by the former DIYWebsite project. The visitor can rapidly access all material through a classification/filtering system with several criteria, and furthermore, it enables anyone to easily contribute by uploading new documents or translating existent ones in their language. For [20:29] details, we work on diy here. [20:29] We have created a working group inside the marketing team, of which we are still fully part of. The group has decided that for now, the priority is not the Site, but diy. This does not proscribe anyone from starting its development in parallel, but the team focus will stay diy for now. We work on launchpad. [20:29] this is taking from our wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu [20:30] so we have an alpha of the DIy up and running: http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ [20:30] or accesed by: http://spread.ubuntu.ec [20:31] this is a site that actually works and have built in the most basic features for the Do-It-Yourself part of the site [20:32] want we need to do next is to pimp that site up and basically make it easier to understand and use [20:32] the website buttons are a good start, users can promote Ubuntu on there site, and depending on the number of clicks we can promote the users site on spreadubuntu also [20:32] and also integrate the site with launchpad for easy access to the whole Ubuntu community [20:35] yea trmanco [20:36] instead of clicks, maybe downloads would be better [20:36] so I'll let you digest the idea, please see the site and surf it a bit. I'll be back in 15 minutes and will read your comments and continue this chat (I have to make my daughter sleep ;) [20:36] huayra: Since SpreadFirefox was the first inspiration, I'm taking a look at its website and looks amazing, but the content is a bit messy. [20:37] huayra: What do you think about use it as inspiration again? [20:38] michelleribeiro, we should [20:38] huayra: What CMS is SU website using? [20:40] do you meen drupal> [20:40] ? [20:43] am I alive? :| [20:44] yes [20:45] what happened ? [20:45] don't know [20:46] hummm [20:46] shahriar86: Nice to now. Drupal is very flexible. [20:47] it's drupal 5 actually will move to drupal6 soon [20:48] huayra: since the focus is the diy area and its kind of content is made by community, how easy is now to have a material uploaded to SU? [20:50] Answering myself: As we know SU has a page where we collect material from all places. Right now we are doing this process manually, but If we could somehow get this process "automatized" it would be great so we can continue our work. [20:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/IdeaPool [20:52] checking [20:53] I can't find the flag icons [20:54] flag icons? [20:54] if you go to SU uou can choose the language [20:54] you* [20:54] some languages have icons some don't [20:54] flag icons [20:55] ohh okey [20:55] found them [20:57] michelleribeiro: yes that automated solution might help [20:57] huayra: are you there?? [20:57] meeting is going nowhere :| [20:59] shahriar86: Its because our leader is gone. Lets wait. [20:59] humm..... [21:00] Or does someone else has the informations that is needed to keep the meeting? [21:00] sorry, it took more than I Expected [21:00] no problem [21:00] huayra: np [21:01] ok [21:01] Answering the question above [21:01] yes, SpreadUbuntu could be of some inspiration, with better material handling. In that aspect I believe we have don e abetter job to be honest [21:02] I ment SpreadFirefox [21:02] Yes as shahriar86 pointed out we are moving towards Drupal6. because drupal is by far the best tool for the job, and also because it is what the ubuntu-website team uses and thus we cvan get ideas and help from them too [21:03] Uploading material can be done very easily. I think that you can even do it without login in [21:03] we used to have that feature [21:03] let me chek (I'm always logged in so I couldn't tell) [21:04] yes it is activated by default using the captcha as protection against spammers [21:04] Automatizing the process of collecting material is by far the best achievement we can make [21:05] I have been thinking of that for a while and have an idea which is detailed in the ideapool [21:06] the pull out has to be done from the Ubuntu Wiki [21:06] I think it is time for me to try and contribute [21:06] and it could be easily done [21:06] *code* [21:06] please do trmanco [21:06] it is kind of scary, if I do contribute it will be my first time [21:06] * michelleribeiro is away [21:06] I'm reading the docs on how to get a branch and merge code [21:07] michelleribeiro, I hope that addressed your questions [21:07] trmanco, if you need help you cvan contact our list [21:07] there are many people there that are more than helpful [21:08] you can also ask a question in our answer tracking system or file a bug. We use Launchpad for all of that [21:08] huayra, ok I'm am subscribed from the beginning [21:08] trmanco, I think you should just go ahead and contribute [21:08] FLOSS is about that. Make changes and contribute them back [21:09] SU has missing flags on the language drop down [21:09] in SpreadUbuntu you do not even have to ask, just do the upload and we will merge the changes ;) [21:09] and the flags don't look very good [21:09] I know, that gets pretty much fixed with Drupal6 [21:09] AFAIK [21:10] let's get on: * When do we want to achieve it [21:11] I firmly believe that the move to drupal6 could be done by the time Jaunty comes along [21:11] I have few questions [21:12] first is what we need from Non-techy general contributors? [21:12] then how to contribute where to start [21:12] yes this brings us to the 3rd point: How do we want to achieve this [21:12] oh ok [21:12] continue then [21:13] I have realized that the SU project has a technical side and a marketing side, and those have to be separated [21:13] no, I just wanted to point that out, please continue and we can discuss it [21:13] no no.... [21:13] its ok.... you can discuss [21:14] I will add when I think its important [21:14] ok then [21:14] we need to define the role of marketeers within this framework. The technical role is by now pretty obvious [21:15] so what I think is: [21:15] Technical part of SU DIY works in Launchpad and concentrate on the platform [21:15] and [21:15] Marketing side works on development of the marketing platform, campaigns and content [21:16] and thus both cooperate, exchanging ideas, hopefgully implementing them together and we have a real marketing community based on a technical platform [21:16] does that sound logic to you all? [21:17] yees [21:18] trmanco, michelleribeiro ? [21:18] yes I'm here [21:18] huayra, yes it sounds logic [21:19] I just want to get all the feedback I can get [21:19] I just want to get all the feedback I can get [21:20] huayra: yes marketing team & development team works cooperating with each others. [21:20] yes sounds good to me, but what about michelleribeiro [21:21] she seems to be away [21:21] currently the SU is a bit lost because I can't see where to go how to go as a general user. [21:21] yeah and it's becausewe are trying to adress everything as a development platform [21:21] but we are not working on the marketing strategy [21:22] and thus non-tech marketeers don't know how to give to the project [21:22] true [21:23] soi I think that we have to have a wiki section for marketing and one for general development and of course one for both to cooperate [21:23] that is good idea... [21:23] and the DIY site shoul also start adressing that [21:24] that a campaign can link to one material, but needs its own part of the site [21:24] huayra: I agree, too, of course. [21:25] so that's how we are fgoing to do it [21:26] we have to make it clear that we need marketing people for campaign development, designers for material making, a community of volunteers for collecting online material that is already made [21:26] and a technical team that can give us the platform we need in order to get the job done [21:27] yes [21:27] yes [21:27] huayra: I guess we have to work on a better division of the website content. I mean, do we want something like Events sections, etc? [21:28] indeed michelleribeiro [21:28] we need to start designing www.spreadubuntu.com [21:28] not just the DIY [21:29] butin other words: the site part [21:29] huayra: is there a task list of projects? I'm not a huge Launchpad user (yet) [21:30] spreadfirefox have been revamped in such a way that it could be used as our base after ubutizing ;) [21:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects [21:30] Is that what you where thinking of? [21:32] so let's talk about the last point: * what can you cooperate with [21:32] first we need to explain what we need: [21:32] huayra: yes. [21:32] huayra: that is part of greater marketing projects [21:32] but we need something like that specifically for SU [21:33] shahriar86: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/Site [21:33] * Restructure our project in order to ease the time used from hearing about it and getting excited to actually contributing [21:33] like short time goals... [21:33] michelleribeiro: I am aware of that [21:33] but that also is technical part [21:33] no, I'm thinking more of restructuring our wiki [21:33] making it our working base [21:34] and showing, for instance, wehat we just discussed [21:34] translations in all Ubuntu't languages [21:34] Ubuntu's* [21:34] what I am thinking that we have few months before jaunty releases... so we have time to campaign to collect marketing materials specifically for Jaunty (available before jaunty released, not after) [21:35] we need a wiki page that outlines what we want to do to achieve this task and then how we can collect (market) materials for Ubuntu Jaunty [21:35] addressing the fact that there's a difference between those that want to *use* SpreadUbuntu and thos that want to *contribute*, either as a developer or a marketing resource, to the project [21:35] yes [21:36] we need a one stop shop for users: the Site and DIY parts combined under www.spreadubuntu.com [21:36] and a one strop shop for those that want to contribute with material or get material: diy.spreadubuntu.com [21:37] and a one stop shop for those interested in helping shape the project: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpreadUbuntu [21:38] right on [21:38] so we have different ways of contributing to the project and they are clear for anyone wanting to contribute or use SpreadUbuntu in anyway [21:38] that is not the case today [21:38] :| [21:38] So what can you contribute with? [21:38] :) [21:39] and you don't have to answer it right now [21:39] well huayra we need to clear what we need to acheive [21:39] just think about it and send an email to the list [21:39] I am still not clear from marketing side [21:39] we need to achieve a working beta for DIY within Jaunty in the technical site [21:40] we must have a draft for the Sitre part, also in the technical site [21:40] technically we know we have few things to achieve... like working site , moving to drupal 6 [21:40] having bug fixed... [21:40] etc etc [21:40] we need to change the way we use the ubuntu wiki [21:40] ok [21:40] elaborate [21:41] so we will have more info on spreadUbuntu Wiki [21:41] stating specific projects? [21:41] ok [21:41] and we need to invite people to cooperate, but give them specific choices and not just invite them to participate in this cool project and find out for yourself what to do [21:41] there are lots of choices [21:41] true [21:41] yes, we need to restruicture the way we work [21:41] currently its what happening [21:41] and the activities we have [21:41] yes, we are just doing it right now :) [21:42] because it has pushed itself to a point where it needs to be adressed [21:42] but we need hands to fix this [21:42] the more hands the more we can get done [21:42] huayra: I'm making a to do list to put on the wiki. [21:42] ok [21:42] fantastic michelleribeiro :) [21:42] that is nice michelleribeiro [21:43] huayra: I guess the wiki's remodel should be a task. We can work on it later. [21:43] michelleribeiro: I hope from marketing point of view :? [21:43] I am going to send an email to the list explaining what we just talked about and try to gather feedback [21:43] ok huayra [21:43] yes michelleribeiro, that task needs adressing ASAP. You can put my name on it [21:44] I will have done at least a reordering of the top menu by next weekend [21:44] huayra: Can we share it? :D [21:44] of course [21:44] shahriar86: Absolutelly. [21:44] Anyone can work on it, the more the merrier! [21:44] :) [21:44] :) [21:45] trmanco, named this thing about translations [21:45] can you please specify what part of SU you are thinking of? [21:46] Can someone start to look at Flickr, Picasaweb for Ubuntu materials and events pictures? [21:46] Its a easy task and will help a lot. [21:46] huayra, I was talking about DIY [21:46] an easy (sorry for the typo) [21:46] http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ [21:46] I have worked on collecting material.let me find the URL [21:47] michelleribeiro: I will look into the matter as much as I can (but could be trickier with slow internet line) [21:48] shahriar86: Nice. Maybe huayra can tell you where storage it. A list of URLs? Lets think. [21:49] Hey, thats nice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ottodv/2942074627/ [21:50] :) [21:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy#Recollecting Currently Existing Material [21:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy/Materials [21:52] I have already done the compilation for Argentina through indonesia [21:53] i'm going to upiload oit in my share @ ubuntu.ec [21:56] Boys, I have to go out to a party. How can I access the meeting's log? [21:56] party sounds good [21:56] add yourself to our maillist please [21:57] I will send an email about the meeting and a link to the log [21:57] michelleribeiro, is nice ti have you in our team [21:57] :) [21:58] michelleribeiro: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/31/%23ubuntu-marketing.html [21:58] huayra: Done. [21:58] I'm uploading the compilated material right now to this URL: http://ubuntu.ec/ruben/su/ [21:58] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/31/%23ubuntu-marketing.txt [21:58] good :) [21:58] Thanks a lot! Have a nice night (?!) everyone... [21:58] thx shahriar86 [21:59] enjoy yourself too :) [21:59] welcome [21:59] I also need to go.... [21:59] so its over? [21:59] it's late night here.. 4am [21:59] have class in 8am :( [21:59] ok every one take care.... [22:00] huayra: trmanco take care of yourself [22:00] take care [22:00] shahriar86, bye, have a good night [22:00] bye to everyone [22:00] thanks [22:00] finally off [22:00] I will be hanging here if someone want to chat [22:01] me too, it is still early here [22:01] huayra, the portuguese LoCo team isn't listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy/Materials [22:07] it's not that we have obviated it, I just made a list based on the information on marketing material I could find [22:07] But if you could add that information it would be awesome [22:12] do you know how trmanco ? [22:12] huayra, The wiki is slow, I just logged in [22:13] Yeah i noticed... The top menu took time to show the images [22:13] yes [22:13] too many users, which is a good sign [22:13] ;) [22:13] we are becoming a bigger and more proffesional community [22:14] these are exciting times [22:17] yes it is a very good sign [22:17] I just added a new loco team [23:09] huayra, are you still here? [23:09] yes [23:10] I just committed a simple fix to the website [23:10] just to try it out [23:11] but it didn't appear on launchpad [23:16] let me see [23:18] we had a great deal of work to get that working [23:18] but when it first works it's easy [23:18] contact evan [23:18] I'll give you his address [23:19] send him a mesage through launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~edb82189 [23:20] maybe I forgot to do something [23:21] I have to do a merge right? [23:47] a commit, yes [23:49] I don't know how to push it mainstream for merge proposal [23:49] that is my problem