[00:02] <cprofitt> question: If a bug is marked as confirmed in another distro should it by default be confirmed for Ubuntu?
[00:06] <hggdh> not necessarily, cprofitt . What is the bug #?
[00:07] <hggdh> id the versions and local patches are the same, good chance
[00:07] <hggdh> s/id/if/
[00:08] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/313486
[00:12] <hggdh> cprofitt, difficult to say if they are talking about the same thing...
[00:12] <cprofitt> yeah... I did not see a direct link in that case... so was curious if there was a process in those cases
[00:14] <hggdh> not to my knowledge; even more, Fedora is not the upstream for the (many) packages involved. It is basically a question of good old horse-sense
[00:14] <cprofitt> I am still developing that...
[00:14] <cprofitt> I marked it incomplete and asked for some more information
[00:14] <hggdh> :-) so am I, and I guarantee you I have been trying for many long years
[00:15] <cprofitt> lol
[00:15] <cprofitt> I have 15 years of Windows experience... but ~2 with Linux
[00:15] <cprofitt> so a bit light in the breeches for troubleshooting
[00:15] <cprofitt> but practice and effort do make perfect
[00:15] <hggdh> here... 35 years, about 30 with UNIX, and Linux since 96
[00:16]  * cprofitt bows to his elder
[00:16] <hggdh> (not counting IBM zOS, Windows, Digital, and etc).
[00:16] <hggdh> I am be an elder, but dumb compared to some here
[00:16] <cprofitt> I do not count my early years
[00:17] <cprofitt> I first programmed in 1972... but not sure I should count that since I was only 6
[00:17] <hggdh> :-)
[00:17] <cprofitt> and I do not remember it at all
[00:17] <hggdh> I started with 20
[00:17] <cprofitt> well... the programming bit
[00:17] <cprofitt> just the punch cards
[00:18] <hggdh> and got into Cobol, then Algol, Intel 8080 assembler (actually I did a quick go on the 4004... hardware counted to 15, then... overflow)
[00:18] <hggdh> and so on
[00:18] <cprofitt> cool...
[00:19] <cprofitt> I was very in to computers... discovered girls and did not get back in to them until 17 years later...
[00:19] <hggdh> :-)
[00:20] <hggdh> to them girls, or to them computers?
[00:20] <andresmujica> lol
[00:21] <andresmujica> i've discovered beer.. and girls..
[00:22] <cprofitt> I did not get to beer until later...
[00:22] <cprofitt> I discovered girls at an early age... I was 11 when I was first invited to a Senior Ball
[00:22] <hggdh> well... keep in mind that during the seventies a computer was still something glamorous
[00:22] <andresmujica> and now is just beer and bugs...
[00:22] <hggdh> sic tempora gloria mundi...
[00:22] <cprofitt> my parents said no... but... I was in no position to discover beer until much later
[00:24] <andresmujica> mi first pc was a commodore 64.
[00:24] <andresmujica> thanks to it and a sony tv, i'm on glasses
[00:25] <cprofitt> My first was a Ti 99/4
[00:25] <hggdh> there were no PCs when I started. The smalles one -- the (then) mini-computer usually was at the 100 kg on mass
[00:26] <andresmujica> wow..
[00:27] <hggdh> yeah. 16Kb of memory, a large one would have (perhaps) 32k
[00:29] <hggdh> oooo, this is bad... I just got a hang on Evolution doing a keyring read...
[00:30] <hggdh> bad, bad, bad... I thought this was fixed...
[00:31] <hggdh> ok. will reboot due to some changes in /etc/modprobe.d, brb
[00:38] <andresmujica> raining... raining..
[01:51] <hggdh> eeeeh... another quassel user!
[01:51] <Hobbsee|Quassel> heh
[01:52]  * hggdh wonders how long it will last...
[01:52] <Hobbsee|Quassel> not sure
[01:52] <Hobbsee|Quassel> depends how long it takes before it annoys me
[01:52] <Hobbsee|Quassel> i'd forgotten just how slow jaunty X was...
[01:53] <hggdh> :-) sort of what maco said... I do not think she lasted more than one hour
[01:53] <Hobbsee|Quassel> hehe
[01:53] <hggdh> ! incognito!!
[01:54] <Hobbsee`> the question will be how well it obeys the proxy settings
[02:26] <cprofitt> http://fostergrant.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6487542
[02:26] <cprofitt> sorry wrong channel
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hggdh: did I last my hour?  ;)
[02:50] <hggdh> Hobbsee, that depends if you are still using it or not ;-)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hggdh: i'm not ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> jaunty X is just too slow
[02:56] <hggdh> then you barely made it, I guess...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i think i will go back to it
[02:57] <Hobbsee> but the fact that it's taking >1 second to render any window is just...
[02:57] <hggdh> weird... I do not see much problems on X performance on jaunty, but I am not using compiz
[02:57] <Hobbsee> not sure if it's just intel
[02:58] <hggdh> well -- my X was eating up about 50% CPU, until I unloaded fglrx
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hrm, using EXA.  I wonder if it would be any better under XAA
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[02:59] <hggdh> I *know* there is a problem under KDE4 -- there is a bug about it
[02:59] <Hobbsee> i've seen it under gnome as well, so i'm suspecting the driver, but...
[02:59] <hggdh> where to solve a rendering problem X got much slower
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:59] <hggdh> and this has been applied to jaunty
[02:59] <Hobbsee> right
[03:00] <hggdh> bug 254468. We were chatting about implications some hours ago
[03:00] <Hobbsee> oh, that one.  right
[03:00] <ryanakca> Does having a duplicate automatically confirm a bug? Shouldn't it, since two people are having the same issue, but filed two seperate bug reports?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> oh dear, that bug has been limcore'd.
[03:01] <hggdh> ryanakca, sometimes people do not search for a similar bug
[03:01] <hggdh> Hobbsee, yes indeed
[03:02] <ryanakca> hggdh: Yes. Hence the creation of duplicates :) .
[03:02] <hggdh> ryanakca, correct. But having a duplicate does not make the bug confirmed. We need to be able to understand the issue, full docs, etc
[03:03] <hggdh> Hobbsee, nice person, but a bit alarmist
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hah :)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> marking everything epic fail?
[03:03] <hggdh> indeed
[03:04]  * hggdh considers 'epic' as, well, something epic. Which means almost nothing is...
[03:05] <hggdh> there are also a bit of discussion on what is privacy and what is security. I do not think I made my point, though
[03:05] <Hobbsee> no, of course you didn't manage to make your point.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ;)
[03:39] <cornucopic> Hi all..
[03:40] <cornucopic> After attaching my patch, I have subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug.
[03:41] <cornucopic> Is that all to be done for sponsorship ?
[03:41] <hggdh> cornucopic, usually, yes
[03:41] <cornucopic> hggdh, Cool. So, now I have to wait for the sponsor's comments?
[03:42] <hggdh> I guess so, yes
[03:42] <cornucopic> Thanks!
[03:54] <cornucopic> I have attached the patch to a bug. Shall I change the Bug status?
[14:02] <AnAnt> Hello, can anyone confirm a bug ?
[14:02] <AnAnt> I mean, I found a bug, after searching launchpad, I found that someone else reported the same bug
[14:02] <AnAnt> can I set the bug status to confirmed then ?
[14:03] <MrKanister> Hello AnAnt. Yes, you can mark the bug as confirmed if you can reproduce it.
[14:06] <AnAnt> thanks
[14:07] <MrKanister> AnAnt: you're welcome
[14:47] <AnAnt> LP 308539
[14:53] <Rocket2DMn> AnAnt, i'll finish the triage on that
[14:54] <AnAnt> thanks
[15:16] <cprofitt> Can anyone take this triage to the next level -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/323599
[15:16] <cprofitt> I am not sure how to proceed being that the information does not jump out at me with anything obvious
[15:16] <cprofitt> Rocket2DMn,
[16:04] <hyperair> once a bug is nominated for a release (but not approved) i subscribe ubutnu-sru or motu-sru and wait right?
[16:25] <jpds> hyperair: Looks like that's what it says at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[16:29] <hyperair> jpds: yeah but the bugs aren't getting attention =(
[16:41] <jpds> hyperair: Go and poke a member of the team then :)
[16:42] <hyperair> eh which member?
[16:49] <techno_freak> hyperair, try catching hold of someone here on a weekday
[16:49] <hyperair> hmm
[16:49] <hyperair> okay
[16:49] <hyperair> here eh?
[16:49] <techno_freak> yes, or in #ubuntu-motu
[16:49] <hyperair> not on #ubuntu-motu or any place else?
[16:49] <hyperair> ah
[16:49] <techno_freak> either place, there are lots of common members :)
[17:10] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there,
[17:10] <thomasdelbeke> I would like to report a whishlist bug:
[17:10] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/112497/
[17:10] <thomasdelbeke> Can anyone guide me?
[17:11] <thomasdelbeke> There is not a decent backup package in main that will run uneventful in 8.10 through gui
[17:14] <thomasdelbeke> Hi again, is the channel manned? Just asking ...
[17:14] <techno_freak> manned?
[17:14] <thomasdelbeke> Oh sorry
[17:14] <thomasdelbeke> In Dutch:
[17:15] <thomasdelbeke> manned
[17:15] <thomasdelbeke> are there people present
[17:15] <thomasdelbeke> more or less
[17:15] <thomasdelbeke> I guess so!
[17:15] <thomasdelbeke> hehe
[17:16] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/112497/
[17:16] <thomasdelbeke> where to ask?
[17:17] <thomasdelbeke> right channel, wrong time?
[17:17] <thomasdelbeke> wrong channel , wright time?
[17:18] <kyselejsyrecek> thomasdelbeke: :D hi there
[17:18] <thomasdelbeke> always wrong time ("we don't like you very much")?
[17:18] <thomasdelbeke> hi
[17:18] <techno_freak> thomasdelbeke, right channel of course, but may be wrong time ;)
[17:18] <thomasdelbeke> ok no prob
[17:18] <thomasdelbeke> when to report back?
[17:19] <techno_freak> thomasdelbeke, if you dont find people answering, it would be better to come on a weekday :)
[17:19] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[17:19] <thomasdelbeke> I will leavbe now then
[17:19] <thomasdelbeke> thanks for that
[17:19] <thomasdelbeke> cu
[17:19] <techno_freak> welcome :)
[17:19] <kyselejsyrecek> cus
[18:04] <lfaraone> How can I check if tehre are any bugs linked to a upstream bug number?
[18:09] <hyperair> don't think that's possible
[18:15] <greg-g> I think it warns you if you try to link an already linked upstream bug, but that wouldn't help you much.
[18:17] <allquixotic> Hi, I found a bug in Jaunty (a regression from 8.10) which causes hald to crash during input hotplugging when I have a Logitech ChillStream video game controller plugged in to USB. The controller worked, and hald didn't crash, under 8.10. What sort of priority should I file a bug with? What details should I include?
[18:18] <allquixotic> I ran hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes >& output.txt, plugged in controller while system was booted... Segmentation fault! boom!
[18:28] <mrooney> allquixotic: all bugs are filed as New status and Undecided importance :)
[18:29] <hyperair> can you set priority yourself? i was of the impression that only MOTUs could
[18:29] <hyperair> or developers
[18:31] <greg-g> and members of the Bug Control team
[18:31] <mrooney> hyperair: correct, also BugControl members, but yes
[18:31] <mrooney> greg-g: :)
[18:32] <mrooney> allquixotic: you seem to have good information, I would check to make sure something similar hasn't already been filed
[18:32] <mrooney> and then go for it
[18:32] <mrooney> allquixotic: tag it with regression-potential as well
[18:33] <mrooney> that is how we track regressions in pre-release versions, I believe
[18:33] <hyperair> either way, all regressions are high priority right? =p
[18:33] <greg-g> mrooney: :)
[18:34] <mrooney> greg-g: know anything about the next UDS yet?
[18:34] <greg-g> mrooney: I don't, actually
[18:35] <mrooney> I wonder if community members are being sponsored againi
[18:35] <greg-g> haven't thought that far in advance, really
[18:35] <greg-g> dunno
[18:35] <mrooney> it seems like around now was when stuff started happening for the last one, as I thought the next one was in April
[18:35] <greg-g> yeah, not sure what the plan is
[18:36] <greg-g> but, I gotta run, I'll let you know if I hear anything
[19:26] <andol> I could use some advice on bug #323753. Is it really a bug or not?
[19:38] <andersk> The dpkg assertion failure certainly looks very bug-like.
[19:39] <andersk> It is certainly a separate issue from the missing PPA keys, which are not a bug, and the missing main and universe components on archive.canonical.com, which is also not a bug.
[19:40] <andol> andersk: Ahh, completly missed the dpkg-assertion part, in the PPA and repo discussions.
[19:59]  * calc thinks the new bug reporting guidelines need to be much more prominent or have a checkbox at the end you have to check to be able to actually file a bug
[20:00] <calc> since even after setting up the OOo reporting users are still not giving sufficient information :(