| sladen | DBO: a slightly different, but related case | 00:00 |
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| DBO | =/ | 00:00 |
| DBO | pretty... | 00:00 |
| DBO | i guess I'll just make Docky embed everything, mwahahahaha.... wait | 00:00 |
| sladen | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/docs/dnd_internals.txt grep for "we actually have to figure out which window | 00:05 |
| DBO | sladen, how did you find that? | 00:07 |
| sladen | DBO: I'm not sure what search phrase; possibly "window manager ignore xdnd" or "xdnd masking input masking" | 00:11 |
| sladen | DBO: I actually have a related case for a transparent keyboard so I'm quite interested in find the answer | 00:11 |
| DBO | sladen, your google-fu is strong | 00:11 |
| DBO | well if it makes any difference to you, I am doing this all in Mono | 00:11 |
| DBO | so we will see if I get it working =) | 00:11 |
| Roey | mako: greetings | 00:16 |
| Roey | mako: hmm, wrong maco :) | 00:16 |
| Roey | but hello nonetheless! | 00:17 |
| sladen | DBO: there's going to be interesting situation when the target window, docky window and icon window overlap, if two out of the three are trying to proxy to the "correct" bottom window | 00:22 |
| sladen | DBO: but as long as you (in Docky) manage not to proxy it to the clipped mouse icon window, it should work | 00:23 |
| DBO | yeah | 00:23 |
| DBO | i am really curious how I am supposed to figure out how to proxy to the right window | 00:23 |
| DBO | lets say there are 4 or 5 windows in a stack | 00:23 |
| DBO | which one do I figure out is on top? | 00:24 |
| sladen | testing the x,y against the rectangle of the topmost, then the second most, then the third most ... until you get a hit | 00:25 |
| DBO | sladen, i am not sure I follow you here | 00:26 |
| DBO | you must excuse me, I have been programming for far less time than I should have by now | 00:27 |
| DBO | I can get a ref to the root window | 00:27 |
| DBO | are all other windows one of its children? | 00:27 |
| DBO | or rather, how do I find the topmost window? | 00:27 |
| sladen | DBO: take a bunch of pieces of paper and spread them (overlaping) on the table. Close you eyes and put your finger down; which piece of paper did you hit? | 00:31 |
| KDesk | hi | 00:32 |
| DBO | sladen, i know how to do that logically | 00:32 |
| DBO | just not in code... | 00:32 |
| sladen | DBO: hopefully you can check that you hit this piece of paper as you're inside it's four edges/four corners | 00:32 |
| DBO | i can check and see if I am in bounds | 00:33 |
| sladen | DBO: yup, you can get a list of all of the TOPLEVEL windows that are a a child of the ROOT window | 00:33 |
| DBO | right but what if two of those toplevel windows are overlapping? | 00:34 |
| sladen | then, if you're doing thwat Gtk is doing for efficiency you can subscribe to changes and keep you're internal list up to date | 00:34 |
| sladen | or if you're lazy, you can just query for the full list each time a DnD comes in | 00:34 |
| KDesk | For which architecture are the deb packages in Ubuntu optimized for i386, 686 or what? | 00:34 |
| sladen | KDesk: they're optimised for recent chips, but will run on i486 IIRC | 00:35 |
| DBO | i will be lazy | 00:35 |
| sladen | DBO: if you put all the windows in order from top to bottom, and start at the top and work downwards, you'll check the topmost one first | 00:36 |
| DBO | yes i know that, but how does one put them in order | 00:37 |
| DBO | that is the question I have been trying to ask | 00:37 |
| KDesk | sladen: ah, I thought there where not optimized, or only for 386, is possible to know this info from a binary package? | 00:37 |
| ebroder | Is there anyone from backporters who could take a look at LP bug #323546? | 00:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 323546 in hardy-backports "xen-meta only depends on Xen 3.2 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323546 | 00:38 |
| sladen | for w in sorted(get_root_window()->children) { if w.bounds.text(event->mouse.position) proxy_dnd_to(w); } | 00:38 |
| DBO | sladen, sorted? | 00:39 |
| DBO | I am not trying to be difficult | 00:39 |
| sladen | DBO: psuedo-code | 00:39 |
| DBO | i know | 00:40 |
| DBO | but thats the thing I am saying | 00:40 |
| DBO | I see nothing in gdk's api that lets you determine which window is "topmost" | 00:40 |
| sladen | in Python (a fabulous language, btw), it would return a copy of the array, sorted by calling __cmp__() on each object | 00:41 |
| sladen | which window is topmost, depends on where you are looking on the screen | 00:41 |
| Roey | sorted(collectionOfObjects), sladen? | 00:41 |
| Roey | sladen: doesn't sorted() call __cmp__ on every element in the list passed to it? | 00:42 |
| sladen | KDesk: don't think so, but you can check the build-log that built that binary package. If you were running a supercomputercluster you'd probably be worried about optimisation; however the default configuration options are probably about as good as you can get for Desktop yse | 00:43 |
| KDesk | sladen: ah, ok, thanks a lot! A last question, where can I find the build log, in launchpad? | 00:44 |
| sladen | Roey: so you might do sorted(window_list, cmp=lambda a,b: x.height < y.height) | 00:44 |
| Roey | ahhhh ok | 00:45 |
| Roey | I had thought that sorted() calls __cmp__ | 00:45 |
| Roey | but, you're right, I've used sorted() in the way you described to sort IP address stringts | 00:45 |
| Roey | strings | 00:45 |
| Roey | so yeah | 00:45 |
| sladen | KDesk: probably easier if you say which package you're after. eg. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xbill/2.1-7/+build/593853 | 00:51 |
| KDesk | sladen: oh, thanks! I was only curious about the optimization. :) | 00:53 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: yes, yes - maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Debian. The point is that there's nothing wrong with having a package in a private revision control system and just uploading the tar/diff that results from it, as long as it's then your responsibility to maintain it. | 00:58 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Certainly. | 00:58 |
| DBO | sladen, it works! | 01:40 |
| * DBO dances the dance of joy | 01:40 | |
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| jelmer | slangasek, hi | 02:41 |
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| sladen | DBO: rock! | 03:47 |
| DBO | sladen, how can I thank you in the source, real name, sladen, email? | 03:47 |
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| bettercoder | Hey guys! I think I am cool enough to be a mainstream dev! I made a program that prints hello world! pretty sweet, eh??!!!!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?? | 04:26 |
| bettercoder | also, is ubuntu vulnerable to the y2k bug/ | 04:27 |
| bettercoder | hello???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? | 04:27 |
| bettercoder | WWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY WOOOON"TTT ANNNYYONNNE ANNNNSSSSSSWEEEEEEEEERRRR???????????? | 04:27 |
| patxbot | stfuckup | 04:28 |
| patxbot | jeese | 04:28 |
| bettercoder | whats does stfuckup mean? | 04:28 |
| patxbot | it means be quiet | 04:28 |
| bettercoder | ok, thats a good idea | 04:29 |
| patxbot | stop spamming | 04:29 |
| bettercoder | So | 04:29 |
| bettercoder | hw do i b a dev? | 04:29 |
| patxbot | ty | 04:29 |
| bettercoder | huh??huh?? | 04:29 |
| patxbot | you develop brains *first* cos i do not have any of them... | 04:29 |
| jsmidt | Is there anyone here who understands PPAs well? | 05:54 |
| jsmidt | I am trying to build Python 3.0 for hardy. | 05:54 |
| jsmidt | https://launchpad.net/~python-ubuntu/+archive/ppa | 05:54 |
| jsmidt | It build depends on python-sphinx | 05:54 |
| jsmidt | I have successfully build this in the PPA for Hardy | 05:55 |
| jsmidt | Yet Python 3.0 still complians the build dependency isn't met | 05:55 |
| jsmidt | How do you get a package in the PPA to "see" the other packages? | 05:55 |
| jsmidt | https://launchpad.net/%7Epython-ubuntu/+archive/ppa/+build/854896/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.python3.0_3.0-0~ppa7~hardy_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 05:56 |
| jsmidt | Thanks in advance. | 05:56 |
| ScottK | jsmidt: PPAs have nothing to do with Ubuntu. They use Ubuntu, but are done by Launchpad. Try PPA questions in #launchpad. | 06:12 |
| jsmidt | ScottK, thanks | 06:12 |
| jsmidt | (Though I'm sure you are technically right, very few people would say PPAs have nothing to do with Ubuntu. Much in Ubuntu is done through using PPAs) | 06:13 |
| ScottK | People use PPAs for testing, but "Ubuntu" the distro does not come from PPAs. | 06:23 |
| jsmidt | ScottK, yes I know, I know. | 06:23 |
| jsmidt | ScottK, I wasn't trying to argue. | 06:25 |
| ScottK | OK. I think it's an important point. I am tired of dealing with bugs filed against Ubuntu packages that are really from some random PPA. | 06:25 |
| jsmidt | ScottK, I'm sure that is very frustrating. And so now that I think about it, my issue is probably annoying for the same reason. :) | 06:37 |
| slangasek | pitti: please consider those Hotkey pages locked by me currently, for spec drafting :) | 11:33 |
| slangasek | pitti: but thanks for the information - bryce and I were struggling with exactly this question on the plane; I'll review what you've added to see if it makes sense out of what I see with thinkpad_acpi | 11:34 |
| slangasek | jelmer: hi, thanks for the fixed branch - what's the right way for me to replace the current ~ubuntu-core-dev branch with yours? | 11:35 |
| ogra | slangasek, hey, arrived safely ? | 11:36 |
| slangasek | ogra: yep, all 16 of us | 11:36 |
| ogra | great :) | 11:37 |
| slangasek | pitti: btw, hal-info isn't currently in bzr? Should I push an ~ubuntu-core-dev branch based off of the jaunty package-import? (I have a patch for it to fix a ThinkPad hotkey) | 11:41 |
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| ion_ | http://golf.naurunappula.com/nn/0/151/007/336376.jpg | 14:13 |
| ion_ | Sorry, wrong channel. :-( | 14:13 |
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| tjaalton | lool: libdrm is maintained in git, so probably the "Rename Vcs-*" bit is wrong? (thanks for adding lpia, I didn't know -1.2 was out) | 14:30 |
| hyperair | could someone look at bug #268141 please? debdiff's attached for both intrepid and jaunty. | 14:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268141 in gnome-keyring "no ssh-agent after resume from hibernate" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268141 | 14:52 |
| directhex | erm... is requestsync being insane again? | 14:55 |
| lool | tjaalton: Oh sorry, I checked the git tree and didn't see the ubuntu branch | 14:57 |
| lool | tjaalton: Which branch is it? | 14:57 |
| lool | tjaalton: Uh I'm blind | 14:57 |
| Rocket2DMn | TheMuso, i'm looking at bug 308539 which states that the problem is that libft-perl is uninstallable - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/defoma/0.11.10-0.2ubuntu1 | 14:57 |
| lool | tjaalton: I checked it out extra yesterday evening to check | 14:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 308539 in defoma "/usr/bin/defoma-hints broken due to deleted dependency" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308539 | 14:58 |
| lool | tjaalton: But I missed the branch | 14:58 |
| lool | tjaalton: Sorry about that | 14:58 |
| lool | tjaalton: Yeah, not only is the rename wrong but I should have committed there | 14:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | TheMuso, can you tell me how to proceed with the triage on that bug? Can we somehow link it to that page | 14:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | TheMuso, please ignore my previous comments, sorry | 15:02 |
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| tjaalton | lool: no problem :) | 15:04 |
| TheMuso | Rocket2DMn: uh... ok. :) | 15:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | heh, sorry man | 15:05 |
| TheMuso | np | 15:06 |
| lool | tjaalton: Pushed 2.4.4-0ubuntu4 and a revert of the XS-Original-Vcs-* change to git | 15:26 |
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| TheMuso | c | 17:19 |
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| pitti | fta: that was a bug in gvfs, hopefully worked around in the latest version | 17:27 |
| fta | pitti, eh.. what for? | 17:28 |
| pitti | slangasek: locked pages> oh, sorry; but I only really added information, so I guess it's ok | 17:28 |
| pitti | slangasek: hal-info isn't in bzr; I commit stuff directly into git upstream; but if it helps you, feel free to bzrize it | 17:29 |
| pitti | fta: you pinged me earlier about getting file:// urls when reporting apport crashes | 17:29 |
| fta | pitti, oh, ok. thanks | 17:29 |
| fta | pitti, i ended up filling bug 323409 | 17:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 323409 in cyrus-sasl2 "sasl2-bin broken, segfaulting during install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323409 | 17:30 |
| pitti | fta: FYI, bug 314263 is the breakage you mention | 17:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 314263 in glib2.0 "regression - URIs opened with firefox %u load as local files (file:///...)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314263 | 17:31 |
| fta | pitti, yes, sure. i encountered 314263 while fighting against 323409. | 17:32 |
| fta | now waiting for Keybuk to have a look at 323409 | 17:32 |
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| slangasek | pitti: ah, well, if it doesn't help you, I probably won't bother bzring hal-info since LP needs to be taught about the project first | 17:56 |
| slangasek | pitti: anyway, should I upload my ThinkVantage change, or email it to you? | 17:56 |
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| allquixotic | Hi, I found a bug in Jaunty (a regression from 8.10) which causes hald to crash during input hotplugging when I have a Logitech ChillStream video game controller plugged in to USB. The controller worked, and hald didn't crash, under 8.10. What sort of priority should I file a bug with? What details should I include? | 18:06 |
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| calc | hello | 19:42 |
| bluefoxicy | okay this has been bugging me forever | 21:42 |
| bluefoxicy | can somebody please extend fakeroot to debian package INSTALLATION? | 21:42 |
| ion_ | Why? | 21:42 |
| bluefoxicy | I should not be able to make a .deb that gets run, asks a question, gets a "no" and aborts installation | 21:42 |
| bluefoxicy | and leaves a rootkit behind on my system | 21:42 |
| bluefoxicy | current method of package installation: glorified tarball. Unpack, run pre-install.sh, does whatever it wants to your system AS ROOT | 21:43 |
| ion_ | It’s okay if it leaves behind a keylogger on your user account? | 21:43 |
| bluefoxicy | installing a non-root service that runs as a restricted user and can't affect your system (say...wesnoth's dedicated server?)? It can still gain root access | 21:43 |
| ion_ | It’s not a problem of the package manager if a user installs a malicious package. | 21:43 |
| bluefoxicy | ion_: I have had to re-install before (later, modify the deb) because of a bug in the java deb | 21:44 |
| bluefoxicy | if you don't check "I Agree" on the license question, it makes a permanent change to your system and aborts installation | 21:44 |
| bluefoxicy | pre-rm and post-rm don't undo it | 21:44 |
| elmo | bluefoxicy: it's not a permanent change | 21:44 |
| elmo | it's a debconf question | 21:44 |
| bluefoxicy | elmo: yes, and if you say no, and then attempt installation again, it doesn't ask;it just says, "oh, no, you didn't want to agree to the license, so screw you" | 21:45 |
| elmo | bluefoxicy: ok, but that doesn't make it permanent | 21:45 |
| elmo | the debconf DB is entirely under your control | 21:45 |
| bluefoxicy | elmo: nothing's technically "permanent." | 21:45 |
| ion_ | 0) That can be fixed in the packaging, 1) how is fakeroot relevant here? | 21:46 |
| bluefoxicy | it could replace /bin/sh with malware, and I could technically replace the malware with a proper /bin/sh | 21:46 |
| bluefoxicy | ion_: 0) It's a package bug; 1) I don't believe the system should be changed, at all, until the package is finished installing. | 21:46 |
| bluefoxicy | in Gentoo, when a package is built, emerge has a sandbox environment that forbids real writes outside the build and image directory | 21:47 |
| bluefoxicy | post-installation file access pulls the files into the image directory, and i.e. updates to samba.conf or /etc/passwd get written to copies in the image directory | 21:47 |
| soren | I don't think fakeroot is the right tool for something like htat. | 21:47 |
| bluefoxicy | the final step is to "merge" that to / | 21:47 |
| bluefoxicy | at any point before then, your system has been completely unchanged | 21:48 |
| bluefoxicy | soren: yeah that's whyI said extend... fakeroot doesn't do anything nearly useful for that | 21:48 |
| bluefoxicy | at one point I almost wrote a completely different package manager because i don't like things playing around with full root access running arbitrary code just to install | 21:48 |
| soren | I don't think fakeroot is the right application to extend to achieve something like that. | 21:49 |
| bluefoxicy | I don't have to audit the final installed files, config changes, etc; I have to audit the entire logic of the installation system | 21:49 |
| bluefoxicy | soren: maybe so. | 21:49 |
| elmo | how do you audit the final installed files? | 21:49 |
| elmo | JOOI | 21:49 |
| bluefoxicy | elmo: make all changes to an isolated image that gets copied over / to finalize installation; then stop it at that point, and examine that tree? | 21:50 |
| Notch-1 | hi, i'm trying to boot intrepid from a loop device, using root=/dev/loop0 (or root=700) boot parameter, and a little initrd script that mount the device containing the image, and then "losetup /dev/loop0 /path-to-the-image"... but it still can't find init... can anybody help me? | 21:50 |
| bluefoxicy | SUID binaries, strange changes to /etc/passwd, debconf settings, strange binaries that shouldn't exist, funny scripts generated by obfuscated logic in the pre-install scripts of the package... | 21:50 |
| bluefoxicy | all lain out clear | 21:50 |
| bluefoxicy | anyway | 21:52 |
| bluefoxicy | endrant | 21:52 |
| tjaalton | lool: excellent, thanks | 21:59 |
| Notch-1 | please guys, anybody familiar with booting loop images? | 22:09 |
| ScottK | Notch-1: User support in #ubuntu | 22:20 |
| Notch-1 | ScottK: thank you | 22:21 |
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