[00:49] <RainCT> uhm.. if I've created a presentation from a template and choosed a certain transition effect to do between slides, how can I later change that effect?
[00:52] <RainCT> ah, found it
[08:07] <jpds> Moin.
[08:10] <pochu> hi jpds
[08:12] <jpds> Hola pochu.
[08:23] <iulian> Hiya guys.
[08:28] <jpds> Hey iulian.
[08:46] <AndrewGee> Hi. Anyone available to look at giving the second advocation to osm-gps-map - A GTK widget to embed openstreetmap? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=osm-gps-map
[08:54] <jpds> AndrewGee: OK; looks good to me, but why did you have so many spaces in the Dependency lines?
[08:55] <AndrewGee> jpds: Not sure actually. Shall I sort that out and re upload?
[08:55] <jpds> AndrewGee: No, I'll fix it before I upload to the archive
[08:55] <AndrewGee> jpds: Ah okay. Thanks :)
[08:56] <jpds> Just have to wait for my key machine to come up.. :/
[09:02] <jpds> stdin: Could you possibly look into bug #322051 ? I've tried fixing it myself but can't get it to work.
[09:04] <jpds> It works with http:// URLs, but I can't get it to work with https://
[09:26] <slytherin> does anyone have some time to review a license (actually multiple) to see if the package is fit for archive?
[09:36] <hyperair> mok0: ping. could i bother you with a package today? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyprj
[09:40] <iulian> hyperair: I will take a look at it later.
[09:40]  * iulian is having breakfast now.
[09:40] <iulian> mok0 is already overloaded ;)
[09:41] <hyperair> iulian: ah thanks =)
[09:43] <pochu> slytherin: link?
[09:44] <slytherin> pochu: let me find. I was reading a local copy of license
[09:44] <slytherin> pochu: http://offo.sourceforge.net/hyphenation/licenses.html
[09:45] <slytherin> pochu: these are the hyphenation patterns which are not part of fop main distribution anymore. I want to package them provided they can go in one bundle.
[09:46] <mok0> Hi hyperair
[09:46] <pochu> slytherin: at least English hyphenation patterns are non-free
[09:47] <pochu> "Restriction:  These hyphenation patterns may not be changed in any way"
[09:47] <mok0> I uploaded one of your geany packages last night
[09:47] <slytherin> pochu: you mean en_GB right?
[09:48] <pochu> slytherin: yes
[09:48] <slytherin> pochu: what about en_US 'Can be used freely for non-commercial purposes'?
[09:50] <a|wen> hi, if i have a security update for a package in universe, is it then enough to subscribe motu-swat or should i subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors as well?
[09:50] <pochu> slytherin: the LaTeX Project Public License is free (and GPL and Apache are too, of course :)
[09:50] <hyperair> mok0: yeah i saw. thanks =)
[09:50] <fabrice_sp> Morning! (well, not so morning :-) ).  Is it worth packaging an app that is already in Ubuntu, but using Mono, so that it doesn't use mono anymore? A C port of autopano-sift has been written (Bug #323836)
[09:51] <pochu> slytherin: the link doesn't exist, but that would be non-free if you can't use for commercial purposes (e.g. sell it)
[09:51] <mok0> fabrice_sp: interesting
[09:53] <slytherin> a|wen: First subscribe motu-sru (not motu-swat)
[09:54] <geser> slytherin: en_US is non-free
[09:54] <slytherin> pochu: assuming that en_GB and en_US are non-free, are they at least fit for multiverse?
[09:54] <a|wen> slytherin: oh, i'll do that (tried to look at how similar bugs was subscribed)
[09:54] <slytherin> or should I exclude en_US and en_GB from the binary?
[09:58] <fabrice_sp> mok0, I haven't found any references of autopano in Debian (only in multimedia-debian), so no sync possible :-)
[09:58] <pochu> slytherin: from reading only that description, I'd say en_US fits for multiverse. I think en_GB does too, but am less sure about that. But I haven't read the licenses, that's only from reading that restrictions line :)
[09:58] <mok0> fabrice_sp: what's it for?
[09:58] <slytherin> hmm
[09:59] <a|wen> slytherin: should i do anything else apart from that to brig attention to it as a security issue?
[09:59] <slytherin> a|wen: mark it as security issue and add a link to CVE
[09:59] <pochu> slytherin, a|wen: I thought for security issues you could subscribe motu-swat directly, as if it's going to go to $distro-security, it doesn't need an SRU approval
[10:00] <slytherin> ahh, I got confused. I thought it was similar to SWAT team for X packages
[10:00] <fabrice_sp> mok0, it is used in hugin to find matching points between pictures, to make panoramas.
[10:00] <fabrice_sp> mok0,  Also, from a patent stand point, I discovered that the sift algorithm is patented in the USA. :-/
[10:01] <slytherin> pochu: geser: I am now thinking if I should put each pattern in separate binary. That way all the binaries except en_GB and en_US will live in universe.
[10:01] <a|wen> pochu: okay, thx ... right now both motu-sru and motu-swat ended up being subscribed, then it should have a chance
[10:01] <geser> slytherin: fi is also for multiverse, hu isn't redistributable at all,
[10:02] <pochu> slytherin: in any case put all the free ones in one binary, and all the non-free that fit for multiverse in another one... but not one binary per package, I'd say
[10:02] <geser> slytherin: you can't put the source into universe
[10:03] <a|wen> pochu: i should keep the bug as private, right?
[10:04] <slytherin> geser: I know. source will still go into multiverse.
[10:04] <geser> a|wen: no need to keep the bug private if the issue is already public (known)
[10:04]  * a|wen makes it public ... thx
[10:35] <stdin> jpds: launchpadlibrarian.net is http, I've never seen a https link for it, and dget will handle the https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/<release>/+source/<source>/<version>/+files/<file> links
[10:41] <iulian> fta: Have you tested geany-plugin-prj to see if it works?  I don't have geany installed on my system.
[10:49] <hyperair> iulian: i've tested it on intrepid, it woks fine.
[10:49] <hyperair> iulian: haven't tested on jaunty though
[10:53] <iulian> I'm testing it right now.
[10:54] <hyperair> iulian: alright. brb i'm gonna log out to test a bug with gnome-keyring
[11:05] <iulian> hyperair: I have just uploaded it.  Thank you.
[11:06] <hyperair> iulian: thanks
[11:31] <soc> hi
[11:31] <soc> someone from debian online?
[11:31] <soc> my package is now in ubuntu and i filed an itp for debian ... how do i have to proceed?
[11:32] <iulian> soc: Look for a DD to sponsor your package.
[11:32] <iulian> soc: Send an email to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org.
[11:35] <soc> and aksing for a sponsor?
[11:35] <Laney> soc: Also visit #debian-mentors on OFTC
[11:35] <soc> what does sponsor mean?
[11:35] <soc> ah ok
[11:36] <quadrispro> could anyone take a look at here? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gnome-format
[11:38] <stdin> jpds: do you know/work with python?
[11:40] <jpds> stdin: Yes.
[11:41] <stdin> jpds: I wrote a python rewrite of dgetlp a while ago, but I forgot about it. could you give it a look over: http://pastebin.com/f284785b5
[11:42] <Laney> Where on LP does dget not work?
[11:43] <stdin> Laney: the +queue
[11:45] <jpds> stdin: Looks good, should I put it into u-d-t  replace the bash script?
[11:46] <stdin> jpds: IMO it works better than the bash script and provides better error handling. so I'd say yes :) I've tested it a little but not rigorously
[11:47] <stdin> it "Works For Me"
[11:48] <stdin> and I'll probably smooth out the code some time, just to make it look nicer
[11:55] <jpds> stdin: Pushed to main branch, let me know if you want changes added.
[11:56] <stdin> jpds: sure :)
[11:59] <Laney> stdin: Gives a traceback when run with no args
[11:59] <Laney> and you should consider updating the manpage ;)
[12:12] <stdin> Laney: right, so how does one edit the manpage without knowing the language it's written in?
[12:13] <Laney> stdin: It shouldn't be too hard to edit the existing one, following that syntax, should it?
[12:13] <stdin> sure, but I was wondering if there was  and "easy" way ;)
[12:14] <geser> stdin: I don't know the manpage syntax either but I managed to update manpages just by looking how it's done at other places in the manpage and copy that
[12:15] <geser> !info gmanedit
[12:15] <Laney> ^
[12:15] <geser> you could also try this app out (never used it myself)
[12:17] <stdin> ok, give me a minute to change it
[12:22] <AnAnt> Hello, I am installing a font, how do I make the defoma hints file for it ?
[12:44] <stdin> hah, gmanedit segfaults on exit
[12:57] <iulian> stdin: Please file a bug.
[12:57] <stdin> iulian: already have
[13:03] <stdin> jpds: here's a patch to fix the error Laney mentioned and updated manpage http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/dgetlp.diff
[13:03] <Laney> stdin: I suggest displaying the usage info
[13:03] <stdin> Laney: it does now
[13:03] <Laney> Oh, maybe I misunderstand what parser.error is then
[13:04] <stdin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/112431/
[13:05] <AnAnt> defoma-hints is not working !
[13:09] <AnAnt> should a font package build-depend on fontforge ?!
[13:10] <Vest> Hello to everybody. I'm new here and I have a question.
[13:10] <Vest> My situation is the next one. I'm a developer of my own game, called "Gnome Quod", I've published it in ppa.launchpad.net. But I want to know, can my program be placed in official Ubuntu Repositories?
[13:12] <pochu> Vest: under what license is it released?
[13:12] <Vest> pochu: I release it with GPL v3 license
[13:12] <Vest> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gquod
[13:14] <Vest> and it was sucessfully build with launchpad, https://launchpad.net/~vest-84/+archive
[13:15] <pochu> Vest: then yes (because of the license)
[13:15] <pochu> Vest: would you like to maintain it?
[13:16] <Vest> yes, of course.
[13:16] <pochu> Vest: then you want to upload it to REVU, so that MOTUs can review it and upload to the archive if it's right
[13:16] <pochu> !revu
[13:18] <Vest> pochu: thank you for help. I'll read it
[13:19] <Vest> pochu: what kind of ristrictions will I have in future, if I become a maintainer of my own game?
[13:21] <__Ali__> anyone knows an library debian packaging which installation path of /usr/lib/MyLib rather than /usr/lib?
[13:21] <geser> don't mix packaging and upstream code
[13:21] <__Ali__> whatever i tried, the outcome debian package does not hold any shared objects
[13:21] <vadi2> Hi, can someone help this person in regards to gpl, a proprietary piece and packaging: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6656152&postcount=63
[13:46] <Vest> pochu: do you know, should my debian/changelof have version (0.2.1-7ubuntu0(1,2,3...)) instead of simple (0.2.1-7)?
[13:47] <AnAnt> ahem, should a font package build-depend on fontforge ?!
[13:59] <AnAnt> Hello, can anyone confirm a bug ?
[13:59] <AnAnt> I mean, I found a bug, after searching launchpad, I found that someone else reported the same bug
[14:00] <AnAnt> can I set the bug status to confirmed then ?
[14:00] <jpds> stdin: Pushed. Thanks!
[14:03] <loic-m> Vest: if the package doesn't exist dor Debian yet, end it with -0ubuntu1
[14:04] <loic-m> s/dor/for/
[14:05] <Vest> loic-m: my package isn't published yet in debian archive. so, I have to add the ending manually?
[14:07] <loic-m> Vest: the ending should be created when you use tha packaging tools, like dh_make
[14:08] <loic-m> Vest: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Videos especially http://videos.ubuntu.com/motuvideos/packaging_101.ogg
[14:08] <Vest> loic-m: thank you, I understand. can you tell me, should I use jaunty version instead of intrepid when I want to publish my project in official repos?
[14:08] <loic-m> Vest: it's a step-by-step, follow it while packaging from scratch, pause for each step
[14:09] <loic-m> Vest: always use the development version
[14:09] <loic-m> Vest: if you can watch the video while doing it, it makes it really easy
[14:10] <loic-m> Vest: dev version = jaunty for teh moment
[14:10] <Vest> can I people with intrepid use jaunty versions?
[14:10] <Vest> *can people
[14:11] <geser> in most cases no because of the dependencies
[14:11] <zpowers> geser: not true
[14:11] <StevenK> He said most cases'
[14:12] <zpowers> Package pinning is not very difficult to do
[14:12] <zpowers> Not even for most cases, I'd say it'd be more like a few
[14:12] <StevenK> zpowers: Sure, and when you pulled in libc6 from Jaunty or something else like d-bus, it's essentially game over
[14:12] <Vest> I asked, because I have repos in ppa.launchpad. and changelog allows to use only one version of ubuntu (by the way I've tried the situation "intrepid jaunty", as described in help.lanchpad)
[14:13] <AnAnt> StevenK: nice one, especially that Vest is developing a game
[14:13] <StevenK> It's just an expression
[14:13] <loic-m> Vest: if you want it in the repositories for intrepid, upload to revu for Jaunty, then request a backport
[14:14] <AnAnt> StevenK: yup
[14:14] <Laney> revu isn't for backports...
[14:14] <Vest> a! so... that is how I have to do... I see... how interesting
[14:15] <loic-m> Vest: if you want to upload to your PPA, once your packages is ok for jaunty, just edit the changelog, change the version by appending something like ~intrepid1 (note the ~) after -0ubuntu1
[14:15] <loic-m> Vest: then create an entry for intrepid (your ppa of course) in your .dput.cf and upload to it
[14:16] <Laney> Vest: PPAs support copying between different releases, so you can upload to Intrepid and then copy the sources to Jaunty to have it build there too
[14:17] <Vest> aha... good. and, do you know, if I upload my sources to REVU, they will have a status "Needs Review". Can I continue the work under my application and reupload the new version over the old one?
[14:18] <loic-m> Laney: was that fixed? Last week when I ask in #launchpad, it was still only possible between different ppa (if you want to rebuild from source)
[14:18] <geser> Laney: doesn't it only work when he copies the debs too?
[14:18] <geser> Vest: yes
[14:18] <loic-m> Laney: just checked, and it's not possible yet, at least on my ppa
[14:19] <Laney> loic-m: Hmm? Set destination to "this PPA", series to "Jaunty" and ask to rebuild?
[14:19] <Laney> I admit I've only seen the UI, not actually tried it
[14:20] <loic-m> Laney: it throws an error. Try it and you'll see it doesn't work
[14:20] <geser> Laney: this won't work because of the pool structure
[14:20] <Vest> geser, should I use the option -f (dput -f) to overwrite the package with the same name, or not?
[14:21] <Laney> geser: That's disappointing then
[14:21] <geser> yes (or remove the <pkg>.upload file)
[14:22] <Vest> geser, and afterwards I remove my package and upload it again. will it's queue changed to last? :)
[14:23] <geser> Vest: I don't know how the sorting on REVU really works
[14:33] <Vest> sorry, guys, can you help me with this problem? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/gnome-quod-0902011503/lintian  I can't understand what's wrong (I don't write build-essential as dependency)
[14:35] <geser> Vest: you build-depend on (unversioned) libc6-dev which is part of build-essentials -> you don't need to specify it
[14:36] <geser> and the other error is, that you source package is native (has no .diff.gz)
[14:36] <Vest> hm
[14:36] <Vest> thankx
[14:36] <Vest> *thanks
[14:48] <AnAnt> is defoma still to be used ?
[14:48] <AnAnt> LP 308539
[14:54] <MaduserTr> The legal check from revu.ubuntuwire.com. Is this a program I can ran localy on my maschine?
[14:56] <jpds> MaduserTr: lintian, I think it is.
[14:58] <pochu> it's licensecheck
[14:58] <pochu> `licensecheck -R *`
[14:58] <pochu> but that's not enough, it's just a tool to help you
[14:59] <MaduserTr> jpds, pochu: Thnaks
[15:06] <BiNaRi0> hi everyone
[15:06] <BiNaRi0> keyserver.ubuntu.com is down
[15:06] <BiNaRi0> does anyone know what happened about it ?
[15:07] <pochu> BiNaRi0: I think #canonical-sysadmin is where the people maintaining that service hang
[15:07] <BiNaRi0> thanks
[15:07] <pochu> np
[15:08]  * directhex wonders who did funny things to one of his sync bugs
[15:09] <Laney> check the activity log
[15:13] <directhex> i did. someone marked it invalid & converted it to a question, but didn't say, i dunno, WHY
[15:13] <iulian> Hmm, that's odd.  What is the bug #, directhex?
[15:14] <directhex> 323948
[15:14] <directhex> i reopened it. which i know is poor form, but so is closing bugs without comment
[15:15] <sebner> bug #323948
[15:16] <sebner> directhex: funny ^^
[15:17] <iulian> Well, it's not funny...
[15:17] <iulian> Bleah
[16:29] <henrik-hw0> superm1: fixed FTBS in rt2860-linux-sta and rt2870-linux-sta packages just now.
[17:31] <bmhm> hi, I need a clue what pbuilder tries to do here: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/393976/
[17:31] <bmhm> I don't see why it wants to copy a .gnome-file
[17:34] <geser> use pbuilder on the .dsc file and not on the .changes file
[17:36] <bmhm> oh my, that did it
[17:36] <bmhm> how embarrassing
[17:37] <bmhm> thanks
[17:39] <hyperair> lol
[17:43] <bmhm> well just another question: How do I build same releases for different distros? Do I need to change debian/changelog somehow?
[17:43] <hyperair> depends
[17:43] <bmhm> using dpkg-buildpackage and pbuilder and dput
[17:44] <hyperair> if you're uploading to a PPA, then you need to alter debian/changelog
[17:44] <hyperair> set the distro
[17:44] <hyperair> otherwise, just run it thorugh pbuilder
[17:44] <hyperair> the appropriate pbuilder
[17:44] <bmhm> yeah I want to use dput
[17:45] <bmhm> just like sed 's/intrepid/jaunty/g'?
[17:45] <hyperair> um
[17:45] <hyperair> no
[17:45] <hyperair> just the top one will do
[17:45] <hyperair> don't change every single instance of it
[17:45] <hyperair> oh if you're uploading to PPA, you'll need different version numbers
[17:45] <hyperair> just mangle them by adding ~distro1 or something
[17:46] <hyperair> you can't upload the same version to different distros in PPA
[17:46] <bmhm> ah so like ubuntu1 for intrepid and ubuntu2 for jaunty? thats why i asked
[17:47] <bmhm> I need kind of a concept
[17:48] <geser_> or use ubuntu1 for jaunty and ubuntu1~intrepid1 for intrepid
[17:48] <bmhm> ok
[17:50] <hyperair> geser: i still wouldn't use ubuntu1 for jaunty
[17:50] <hyperair> you often want the new versino to override the old
[17:51] <bmhm> anyway, that did it for intrepid so far: https://edge.launchpad.net/~globalmenu-team/+archive/ppa
[17:51]  * RainCT ponders creating a printers-are-evil LP group :P
[17:52] <geser> hyperair: ubuntu1 > ubuntu1~intrepid1
[17:52] <bmhm> Hmm. I haven't seen a guide or something explaining how to name versions.
[17:52] <bmhm> why not put a name to each distribution like ubuntu1~jaunty1
[17:52] <hyperair> geser: ubuntu1 (from main repos) > ubuntu1~jaunty1 (jaunty PPA) > ubuntu1~intrepid1 (intrepid PPA)
[17:53] <hyperair> bmhm: there's a PPA guide somewhere
[17:53] <hyperair> bmhm: go read that one
[17:53] <bmhm> iss ppa1~jaunty1 > ubuntu1 ?
[17:53] <hyperair> rule is always mangle your versions to enter PPA unless you want to screw up your upgrade path
[17:55] <bmhm> hyperair: where is somewhere? Ubuntu docs? Launchpad docs? Some hidden dev docs?
[17:55] <bmhm> I read docs almost everywhere by now
[17:55] <geser> bmhm: no, as p < u
[17:56] <bmhm> then why not just leave the "ubuntu" out, like "gnome2-globalmenu~intrepid1" "gnome2-globalmenu~jaunty1"
[17:56] <geser> the debian policy has a description of how version sorting works
[17:56] <bmhm> kk
[17:56] <bmhm> I was just looking for a recommendation how to name my changes ^^"
[17:56] <hyperair> bmhm: launchpad docs
[17:56] <geser> don't mix upstream version and ubuntu revision, that are two different fields
[17:57] <bmhm> that's how I did it by now: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~globalmenu-team/+archive/ppa
[17:57] <bmhm> hyperair: I will take a look at it
[17:58] <hyperair> bmhm: you shouldn't do that.
[17:59] <bmhm> so what's wrong?
[17:59] <bmhm> err... what can I do better
-0ubuntu1~ppa<your ppa revision>
[18:00] <hyperair> assuming that debian and ubuntu dont have it
[18:01] <bmhm> they don't have it, correct
[18:01] <bmhm> I found the guilde: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Versioning
[18:02] <bmhm> myapp_1.0-2~ppa1~intrepid1 contra myapp_1.0-2~ppa1~hardy1
[18:02] <bmhm> oh I did use a hyphen instead of a tilde
[18:05] <hyperair> and htat makes all the differecne
[18:06] <bmhm> ah there's a dead link
[18:06] <bmhm> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#copyingpackages
[18:06] <bmhm> a link to  Ubuntu Mobile team's PPA copy packages
[18:10] <bmhm> is this better? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~globalmenu-team/+archive/ppa
[18:11] <hyperair> very much so
[18:12] <bmhm> ok, thanks a lot then for helping
[18:12] <hyperair> no problem
[18:13] <hyperair> gtk2-globalmenu...
[18:13] <hyperair> is that the one where you strip the menus out from the windows and stick it onto the panel?
[18:24] <bmhm> re
[18:24] <bmhm> exactly
[18:24] <hyperair> awesome. the next time i feel bored with my current interface i'll check it out
[18:24] <hyperair> i accidentally installed it once on arch
[18:25] <bmhm> hyperair: I joined for building packages only. As far as I can see, preferences won't work yet and there's no icon for switching apps etc.
[18:25] <bmhm> but screenshots on http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ look promising
[18:26] <hyperair> hahah
[18:26] <hyperair> you know what?
[18:26] <hyperair> that sounds like me
[18:26] <hyperair> one and a half years ago
[18:26] <hyperair> ;)
[18:26] <hyperair> no wait
[18:26] <hyperair> less than a year
[18:26] <hyperair> i joined the Banshee Team
[18:27] <hyperair> and founded the Banshee Unstable Team
[18:27] <hyperair> for packaging
[18:27] <bmhm> yeah
[18:28] <Laney> banshee <3
[18:29] <Laney> hyperair: Do you know when the next release will be? I read that it'll enable gnome-do to have a full plugin
[18:29] <hyperair> Laney: =)
[18:29] <bmhm> hyperair: does banshee support MPRIS?
[18:29] <hyperair> bmhm: no it doesn't
[18:29] <bmhm> that's sad
[18:29] <bmhm> I should submit a patch
[18:30] <hyperair> go ahead =)
[18:30] <bmhm> Audacious does, but it doesn't integrate at all into gnome :(
[18:30] <hyperair> bmhm: you know enough C# to do so?
[18:30] <bmhm> it's C#? :-/
[18:30] <hyperair> bmhm: what's mpris used for anyway? i only see it used in pidgin-mpris
[18:30] <hyperair> bmhm: and yes it's C#
[18:30] <bmhm> I can code C, IBM Mainframe Assembler and Java.
[18:31] <hyperair> bmhm: that's the reason why i've only submitted one patch for banshee before, and that's for their at-that-time defunct shell loader script
[18:31] <bmhm> well I can code a little object pascal, too :D
[18:31] <hyperair> i can do C, C++, shell, python, but i've only really done major patching in shell and C/C++
[18:32] <hyperair> i hate pascal and everything to do with it
[18:32] <bmhm> really??
[18:32] <hyperair> yep
[18:32] <bmhm> I LOVE it <3
[18:32] <bmhm> it's so clean and straight-foreward
[18:32] <hyperair> well i think it has omething to do with me starting with turbo pascal
[18:32] <hyperair> *shudder*
[18:32] <bmhm> So did I, in school
[18:32] <hyperair> what a strange syntax
[18:33] <bmhm> I call it beautiful. That's why I like python, too, I gues ;-)
[18:33] <hyperair> i like python
[18:33] <hyperair> python's syntax is clean
[18:33] <hyperair> but not pascal's =\
[18:33] <bmhm> yeah, I should have bought a python book by now
[18:33] <bmhm> ok let's try banshee
[18:33] <hyperair> no wai
[18:34] <hyperair> i learnt python from the internet
[18:34] <hyperair> just as i learnt C and C++ from the internet
[18:34] <hyperair> and shell
[18:34] <bmhm> wow
[18:35] <bmhm> I like books, I mean "real" books :)
[18:35] <pochu> bmhm: me too :) I print stuff from internet to read it in the bed ;)
[18:36] <pochu> that's not exactly a real book, but it's closer than reading it from the screen :)
[18:36] <bmhm> :D
[18:36] <RainCT> pochu: you kill trees!!    :P :P
[18:37] <pochu> heh
[18:38] <pochu> I was looking to buy a book this evening from Oreilly, but the transport fee is actually more expensive than the book itself :(
[18:38] <bmhm> nah banshee is not good for me
[18:38] <pochu> so if someone is coming to Spain from the US, tell me ;)
[18:38] <bmhm> ... or to germany :D
[18:38] <pochu> bmhm: rhythmbox is C! :-)
[18:38] <bmhm> i know pochu, but rhythmbox has other problems
[18:39] <bmhm> I stick with amarok i think
[18:39] <hyperair> rhythmbox has this annoying "feature" where it bugs me to install codecs which can't be fuond upon startup everytime
[18:39] <hyperair> and leaks memory faster than a sieve leaks water
[18:39] <pochu> bmhm: but amarok doesn't integrate well into GNOME! ;)
[18:39] <RainCT> pochu: right.. I ordered my research project as a book (from lulu.com) and transport was the same prize as the book
[18:39] <pochu> that sucks :(
[18:40] <bmhm> yeah i know. But still better than audacios. Rhythmbox and banshee lack expert settings :(
[18:40] <hyperair> bmhm: what are you looking for exactly?
[18:40] <bmhm> like choosing specific folders to scan for media, or setting more advanced options for ogg/flac encoding
[18:40] <pochu> hyperair: how much memory does banshee waste?
[18:40] <hyperair> regarding that, poke around in gconf
[18:40] <pochu> here rhythmbox is eating 40MB after several hours (I think more than a day)
[18:41] <hyperair> pochu: somewhere aruond 50-90MB on my notebook
[18:41] <pochu> heh
[18:41] <hyperair> after a week
[18:41] <hyperair> no, more than that
[18:41] <hyperair> i don't shut down
[18:41] <pochu> and you say rhythmbox leaks? ;)
[18:41] <hyperair> i hibernate and restore
[18:41] <hyperair> oh yeah sure i do
[18:41] <RainCT> wow.. 40MB here too (after 6 hours)
[18:41] <hyperair> it reached 500MB on my notebook
[18:41] <hyperair> >=(
[18:41] <pochu> heh
[18:41] <hyperair> you call that _not_ leaking?
[18:41] <RainCT> but I still have 3GB free anyway :P
[18:41] <bmhm> yay
[18:41] <pochu> that's probably fixed now :)
[18:42] <hyperair> i have 2GB total
[18:42] <pochu> RainCT: lol
[18:42] <bmhm> I got 2 in total :/
[18:42] <bmhm> xD
[18:42]  * pochu has 2 too
[18:42] <hyperair> besides, banshee's got a more shiny look to it
[18:42] <hyperair> with the custom treeview
[18:42] <bmhm> yeah thats nice
[18:42] <bmhm> but I still struggle with the media library
[18:42] <bmhm> ah
[18:42] <bmhm> purging...
[18:42] <hyperair> what's wrong?
[18:42] <hyperair> oh yeah banshee has awesome searching support
[18:43] <bmhm> I can't choose a specific folder to import
[18:43] <hyperair> yes you can
[18:43] <hyperair> set your media library folder
[18:43] <bmhm> I did
[18:43] <bmhm> nothing to be imported
[18:43] <hyperair> and import from folder
[18:43] <bmhm> oO
[18:43]  * pochu likes rhythmbox interface
[18:43] <hyperair> ctrl+i
[18:43] <RainCT> bmhm: memory is cheap nowadays... 4GB instead of 2GB was just 10€ iirc (+15€ more to switch from 6xx to 800 Mhz)
[18:43]  * hyperair likes banshee interface
[18:44] <bmhm> RainCT: I got DDR1 - it's not that cheap
[18:44] <pochu> RainCT: as long as it's not from manufacturers, yes ;)
[18:44] <hyperair> bmhm: same here
[18:44] <bmhm> ah it's "open location" in german
[18:44] <bmhm> I thought that's for URIs
[18:44] <hyperair> DDR1 1GB RAM on my desktop was twice the price that of DDR2
[18:44] <bmhm> bloody translations
[18:45] <bmhm> hyperair: yeah, I bought 1GiB for € 35 some months ago
[18:45] <RainCT> (DDR1 = old memory?)
[18:45] <hyperair> um it was RM300 here
[18:45] <hyperair> MYR
[18:45] <hyperair> i'm not sure about the conversion
[18:45] <hyperair> either x4 or x7
[18:46] <pochu> RainCT: yeah
[18:46] <bmhm> hyperair: banshee didn't ask me to choose a folder a second ago...
[18:46] <bmhm> anyway now it's working
[18:46] <hyperair> lol
[18:46] <pochu> bmhm: DDR1 is the same as DDR400?
[18:46] <bmhm> yeah
[18:46] <hyperair> 227
[18:47] <hyperair> or was it 3something
[18:47] <bmhm> I got dual channel, so it's called 800 (but it's wrong in fact)
[18:47] <pochu> this friday I bought a 512MB DDR400 for 16€ ...
[18:47] <bmhm> fastest DDR1 is PC3200 with 400 Mhz
[18:47] <pochu> that's what I bought
[18:47] <bmhm> thats cheap
[18:48] <bmhm> bloody h*** not again
[18:48] <bmhm> Ppl always forget to cross-sign my key :/
[18:48] <pochu> they had a 512MB module for 12€ too, but it was out of stock, and the 16€ one was from Kingston, so I thought I didn't want to wait for the other to be available ;)
[18:48] <bmhm> so i sign theirs
[18:49] <bmhm> but I won't get mine signed
[18:49] <pochu> heh
[18:49] <hyperair> bmhm: you're supposed to only get signed if you've met in person
[18:49] <bmhm> I did!
[18:49] <hyperair> and exchanged keys on pendrive or something
[18:49] <pochu> hyperair: that's not necessary
[18:49] <Laney> huh, no technology required
[18:49] <bmhm> we do it by mail and check printed fingerprints
[18:49] <hyperair> =O
[18:49] <bmhm> just get sure not to buy ram from MDT
[18:49] <hyperair> i don't know, i don't have any signatures on my key
[18:50] <hyperair> and i haven't signed anyone's keys
[18:50] <RainCT> pochu: you just need to compare the fingerprint, and knowing for sure that he is who he says he is
[18:50] <pochu> right
[18:50] <bmhm> then you don't have a web-of-trust, hyperair
[18:50] <RainCT> (that is, having meet and seen a ID or already knowing him)
[18:50] <pochu> but you can have your fingerprint in a piece of paper, and give it to the other person, showing you your ID card or passport
[18:50] <bmhm> RainCT: you should check his ID-Card if you don't know him
[18:50] <bmhm> yeah exactly
[18:51] <RainCT> bmhm: that's what I said ^^
[18:51] <pochu> then the other person knows who are you, and when he arrives home, he checks that the key he's going to sign has your name
[18:51] <bmhm> I was going to write a big PDF explaining PGP and web-of-trust and signing partys in detail, step-by-step
[18:51] <pochu> (the key with the fingerprint you gave to him)
[18:51] <bmhm> banshee hung up while indexing my files :P
[18:51] <hyperair> =O
[18:52] <bmhm> again
[18:52] <bmhm> it happens when the error tab wants to show up
[18:53] <geser> keysigning parties are fun
[18:53] <hyperair> nobody i know really bothers with their keys
[18:53] <bmhm> I've never been on one
[18:53] <geser> the next one I will participate is during FOSDEM
[18:54] <bmhm> I got a sign from c't, the best-known german computer magazine
[18:54] <bmhm> http://www.heise-online.co.uk/
[18:54] <bmhm> it's better than /.
[18:54] <bmhm> I think
[18:55] <oojah> http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jc/wotsap/leafoftrust.html <- interesting read on pgp web of trust.
[18:55] <bmhm> check out sig2dot
[18:55] <bmhm> you can draw graphs
[18:57] <geser> my public keyring is already to big for sig2dot, it takes forever to get a graph
[18:59] <bmhm> geser: you can strip it
[18:59] <bmhm> create a new temp-key
[18:59] <bmhm> or use a 3D-graph
[19:00] <bmhm> (which will take even longer) :P
[19:03] <bmhm> [Debug 19:57:40.328] Downloaded cover art from Amazon
[19:04] <bmhm> wtf banshee didn't even ask me!
[19:04] <hyperair> you could disable the cover art extension
[19:04] <bmhm> :P
[19:04] <hyperair> no actually, it should show a progress bar
[19:04] <bmhm> I think I'm going to switch to mpg321 ;-)
[19:04] <RainCT> hyperair: what's the problem with it?
[19:04] <hyperair> and more often than not, it'll hang taking 100% of your cpu
[19:05] <hyperair> RainCT: problem with what?
[19:05] <geser> I've 143 signatures on my key. If I want to graph it with all the other keys, it really takes long.
[19:05] <geser> don't even try to use sig2dot on the Debian keyring :)
[19:05] <RainCT> hyperair: cover art enabled
[19:05] <bmhm> no, I just wanted to net :P
[19:05] <bmhm> *nag
[19:05] <bmhm> geser: the deb keyring has already been done
[19:05] <hyperair> RainCT: well it likes to hang and eat my cpu.
[19:05] <RainCT> hyperair: Ah. Use Rhythmbox :P
[19:06] <hyperair> RainCT: no. frigging. way.
[19:06] <hyperair> =p
[19:06] <RainCT> hehe
[19:06] <hyperair> hmm i need to figure out all the bugs i've fixed in the past so i can decorate my wiki page
[19:07] <bmhm> :D
[19:07] <hyperair> many of them are long lost and i don't remember them
[19:07] <bmhm> banshee uses libnotify, I am beginning to like it =)
[19:07] <hyperair> yeaa
[19:08] <hyperair> hmm.
[19:08] <hyperair> 3am
[19:08]  * hyperair begins counting
[19:08] <Laney> are banshee's notify balloons a custom widget?
[19:08] <hyperair> 5h 30 minutes to class. time to go to sleep
[19:08] <Laney> Or does libnotify provide the sexy countdown thing
[19:08] <bmhm> first one Laney
[19:08] <hyperair> Laney: yes they are
[19:08] <hyperair> Laney: custom
[19:08] <bmhm> yes it does
[19:08] <bmhm> libnotify CAN countdown
[19:08] <bmhm> at least I am pretty sure
[19:08] <geser> bmhm: how long did it take?
[19:08] <hyperair> Laney: wait, you mean the notification thing?
[19:08] <hyperair> Laney: or the timer?
[19:09] <hyperair> eh i mean the progress tooltip thing
[19:09] <Laney> any of it
[19:09] <bmhm> the first one
[19:09] <bmhm> the tooltip bubble
[19:09] <hyperair> the bubble that looks like a dialog box?
[19:09] <bmhm> popping out of your applet icon
[19:09] <hyperair> when you switch songs, or when you hover over the icon?
[19:09] <hyperair> one of them's a tooltip on steroids
[19:09] <hyperair> the other is a libnotify thing
[19:10] <hyperair> and yes libnotify can do countdowns.. in the form of a pizza like thing that gradually disappears
[19:10] <hyperair> or was it gradually fills up
[19:10] <hyperair> disappears
[19:10] <bmhm> For me it's filling: Blue is the background, white the filling color ;-)
[19:10] <Laney> yeah, the pizza was what I meant
[19:10] <bmhm> yeah
[19:10] <hyperair> if pizza slices were continuous and not discrete, and people ate at a constant pace, that's how it would look
[19:10] <bmhm> it's built in
[19:10] <hyperair> that's libnotify
[19:10] <bmhm> :D
[19:10] <Laney> oh, hot
[19:10] <hyperair> i see it with pidgin-libnotify
[19:10] <bmhm> yeah built in into libnotify
[19:11] <hyperair> xchat doesn't have it though
[19:11] <bmhm> ^^
[19:11] <hyperair> i'd like xchat to set timeouts too
[19:11] <hyperair> i remember one thing i like about ubuntu's libnotify... it has rounded corners.
[19:11] <hyperair> archlinux's doesn't, for some strange reason
[19:12] <bmhm> aptitude install pidgin-libnotify
[19:12] <bmhm> brb ^^
[19:13] <hyperair> heh
[19:13] <Laney> I don't have rounded corners (:
[19:13] <Laney> :(
[19:13] <hyperair> hmm strange
[19:13] <hyperair> it should have by default
[19:13] <bmhm> yeah
[19:14] <Laney> probably my theme
[19:14] <hyperair> no it's not the theme
[19:14] <hyperair> when i was in arch i was using this same theme
[19:14] <hyperair> and there weren't rounded corners
[19:16] <bmhm> try "notify-send"
[19:16] <bmhm> it's got rounded corners for me
[19:16] <Laney> nope
[19:18] <hyperair> notify-send doesn't have the pizza thing
[19:18] <hyperair> Laney: what's your version of notification-daemon
[19:19] <hyperair> 0.3.7-1ubuntu15 here
[19:19] <Laney> Version: 0.3.7-1ubuntu15
[19:19] <hyperair> hmm how very strange
[19:19] <hyperair> try another theme?
[19:19] <hyperair> you're using what?
[19:19] <hyperair> human?
[19:19] <Laney> I'd rather not
[19:19] <hyperair> why not?
[19:19] <Laney> because I like my current one :(
[19:19] <hyperair> just test it
[19:19] <Laney> I don't know what it was originally called - I've customised it
[19:19] <hyperair> try with human or something
[19:19] <hyperair> aah i see
[19:19] <Laney> k :<
[19:19] <hyperair> save it first?
[19:20] <hyperair> hmm e-jat eh? that's a familiar nick.
[19:20] <Laney> no change
[19:21] <hyperair> how strange
[19:21] <hyperair> maybe some package is making it act up
[19:21] <hyperair> one way to check would be to try a clean home directory -- the guest session perhaps
[19:22] <Laney> rofl
[19:22] <Laney> I didn't even know it was a problem until 10 minutes ago
[19:22] <Laney> I think I'll leave it ;(
[19:23] <bmhm> xD
[19:26] <hyperair> lol
[19:28] <bmhm> I hate half-translated things. Our LUG Forum says "Post new Forenbeitrag" XD
[19:29] <directhex> das ist sucky
[19:30] <bmhm> =)
[19:30] <RainCT> omg :P
[19:31] <iulian> directhex: That's in German, right?
[19:31] <RainCT> iulian: yep
[19:31] <iulian> I mean, "das" and "ist"
[19:31] <iulian> = this is?
[19:31] <RainCT> and "Forenbeitrag"
[19:31] <iulian> OK, calm down.
[19:31] <RainCT> iulian: yep
[19:32] <iulian> ;)
[19:32] <RainCT> uhm?
[19:32]  * RainCT is just doing time to not do homework :P
[19:33] <iulian> Those are the only two words I know in German and you come with complicated words like "Forenbeitrag".
[19:33] <iulian> s/words/word.  It is actually one word.
[19:33] <henrik-hw0> eng: forum contribs.
[19:33] <RainCT> lol
[19:33] <RainCT> or, better, "post" :P
[19:34] <iulian> Oh, I know one more.  "und", which means "and", if I'm not wrong.
[19:35]  * iulian hides from German people.
[19:35] <RainCT> :D
[19:35] <bmhm> lol
[19:35]  * bmhm slaps uilian
[19:35] <bmhm> damn, missed =)
[19:35] <bmhm> I mean the key :P
[19:35] <iulian> Haha
[19:35] <hyperair> the only thing german i know is the food.
[19:35] <iulian> Ouh
[19:36] <iulian> Actually, I know some more words in German.
[19:36] <bmhm> of cause
[19:36] <bmhm> kindergarten
[19:36] <bmhm> Poltergeist
[19:37] <bmhm> Blitzkrieg
[19:37] <bmhm> U-Boot (-boat)
[19:37] <bmhm> zigzag (zickzack)
[19:37] <bmhm> etc.
[19:37]  * hyperair loves having a complete archive mirror on LAN
[19:37]  * RainCT misses german bakery :P
[19:38] <bmhm> ?
[19:38] <bmhm> meaning what?
[19:39] <RainCT> bmhm: stuff like this http://www.otstrasbourg.fr/IMG/jpg/Picto_bretzel_1.jpg and this http://www.biomalz-back.de/produkte/einzelne_produktseiten/rezeptur_feine_backwaren/berliner400.jpg :P
[19:39] <bmhm> ah misses = I miss
[19:39] <RainCT> xD
[19:39] <bmhm> i was thinking at Mrs.
[19:39] <bmhm> :D
[19:39] <RainCT> LOL
[19:40] <bmhm> yeah german cuisine is tasty
[19:40] <bmhm> Schnitzel, Curry-Wurst (= Sausage) and so on
[19:40] <bmhm> ha I once visited australia, BBQ-Nation. I traveld all the way and the first thing I got was Schnitzel.
[19:42] <RainCT> well, I guess I should poweroff the screens and get some work done :P
[19:42] <bmhm> =)
[19:43] <hyperair> and i should poweroff my notebook and get some sleep
[19:43] <Laney> yes you should!
[19:47] <bmhm> it's 8:47 pm here :>
[19:51] <hyperair> it's 3:51AM here
[19:51] <bmhm> wow
[19:51] <hyperair> good night-uh-morning!
[19:51] <bmhm> you should really get to bed! :P
[19:52] <pochu> hyperair: from?
[19:52] <pochu> hyperair: night
[19:52] <hyperair> pochu: GMT+8
[19:52] <hyperair> pochu: singapore
[19:52] <hyperair> now off to bed i go
[19:52] <pochu> oh
[19:52] <hyperair> class in 4h 40 mins
[19:52] <pochu> hyperair: if I ever go to singapore, I'll tell you :)
[19:53] <bmhm> I've been at the main airport
[19:53] <bmhm> wow it's hot there
[21:23] <__Ali__> does this room's log available somewhere?
[21:23] <Laney> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[21:23] <__Ali__> i think someone tried to answer my question, but i was away
[21:36] <savvas> __Ali__: they usually highlight you, if you have a script or a client that can detect your nickname and highlight, that's great :)
[21:38] <__Ali__> savvas, yes it was highlighted, but the log buffer was too small
[21:39] <savvas> bummer
[21:39] <savvas> no local logs?
[21:39] <__Ali__> what's the alternative of using .install files wiyj cdbs?
[21:39] <bmhm> if it were important, __Ali__, they would have said your name again
[21:39] <__Ali__> with*
[21:40] <savvas> it's a bit easier to do local search: grep -i "_ali_" ~/irclogs/Freenode/#ubuntu-motu.log
[21:40] <__Ali__> seems DEB_INSTALL_DIRS_ALL creates a directory, which cdbs command actutally copies the files?
[21:40] <savvas> (for irssi client that is)
[21:42] <__Ali__> and, where the heck is the detailed cdbs manual? in the source code? just google DEB_INSTALL_DIRS_ALL and all u get is patch files
[21:44] <savvas> that's the question I was about to ask :P
[21:45] <savvas> __Ali__: I know there's a way to use "install:" in debian/rules to override the default stuff
[21:45] <savvas> or do additional commands, not sure
[21:45] <savvas> you have to use dh_install for that
[21:46] <geser> __Ali__: have you looked inside /usr/share/doc/cdbs/? I've there cdbs-doc.html and cdbs-doc.pdf.gz
[21:47] <savvas> firefox /usr/share/doc/cdbs/cdbs-doc.html
[21:47] <savvas> oh, too late :)
[21:48] <__Ali__> thanks, wiered it's not online
[21:48] <jpds> It is, madduck has it up somewhere.
[21:49] <__Ali__> actutally it's the samedoc which is online
[21:49] <__Ali__> but no command details
[21:50] <__Ali__> it's only in the code: http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#WRVRMSS8dPQ/cdbs-0.4.48/1/rules/debhelper.mk.in&q=DEB_INSTALL_DIRS_ALL&l=23
[21:51] <__Ali__> is dh_install used for copying lib* files o should one of dh_install* family members be called for that?
[21:53] <Tonio_> hi there
[21:53] <Tonio_> anyone available for revuing kmplayer please ? that would be nice since the konqueror component of the kde3 currently packaged version is broken with kde4...