[00:49] uhm.. if I've created a presentation from a template and choosed a certain transition effect to do between slides, how can I later change that effect? [00:52] ah, found it === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === Hobbsee is now known as Hobbsee|Quassel === Hobbsee|Quassel is now known as Hobbsee === Hobbsee is now known as Hobbsee` === Hobbsee` is now known as Hobbsee === nschembr-sleep is now known as nschembr === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [08:07] Moin. [08:10] hi jpds [08:12] Hola pochu. [08:23] Hiya guys. [08:28] Hey iulian. [08:46] Hi. Anyone available to look at giving the second advocation to osm-gps-map - A GTK widget to embed openstreetmap? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=osm-gps-map [08:54] AndrewGee: OK; looks good to me, but why did you have so many spaces in the Dependency lines? [08:55] jpds: Not sure actually. Shall I sort that out and re upload? [08:55] AndrewGee: No, I'll fix it before I upload to the archive [08:55] jpds: Ah okay. Thanks :) [08:56] Just have to wait for my key machine to come up.. :/ [09:02] stdin: Could you possibly look into bug #322051 ? I've tried fixing it myself but can't get it to work. [09:02] Launchpad bug 322051 in ubuntu-dev-tools "dgetlp doesn't work with dscs offered by launchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322051 [09:04] It works with http:// URLs, but I can't get it to work with https:// [09:26] does anyone have some time to review a license (actually multiple) to see if the package is fit for archive? [09:36] mok0: ping. could i bother you with a package today? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=geanyprj [09:40] hyperair: I will take a look at it later. [09:40] * iulian is having breakfast now. [09:40] mok0 is already overloaded ;) [09:41] iulian: ah thanks =) [09:43] slytherin: link? [09:44] pochu: let me find. I was reading a local copy of license [09:44] pochu: http://offo.sourceforge.net/hyphenation/licenses.html [09:45] pochu: these are the hyphenation patterns which are not part of fop main distribution anymore. I want to package them provided they can go in one bundle. [09:46] Hi hyperair [09:46] slytherin: at least English hyphenation patterns are non-free [09:47] "Restriction: These hyphenation patterns may not be changed in any way" [09:47] I uploaded one of your geany packages last night [09:47] pochu: you mean en_GB right? [09:48] slytherin: yes [09:48] pochu: what about en_US 'Can be used freely for non-commercial purposes'? [09:50] hi, if i have a security update for a package in universe, is it then enough to subscribe motu-swat or should i subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors as well? [09:50] slytherin: the LaTeX Project Public License is free (and GPL and Apache are too, of course :) [09:50] mok0: yeah i saw. thanks =) [09:50] Morning! (well, not so morning :-) ). Is it worth packaging an app that is already in Ubuntu, but using Mono, so that it doesn't use mono anymore? A C port of autopano-sift has been written (Bug #323836) [09:50] Launchpad bug 323836 in hugin "[needs packaging] Package and use autopano-sift-c" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323836 [09:51] slytherin: the link doesn't exist, but that would be non-free if you can't use for commercial purposes (e.g. sell it) [09:51] fabrice_sp: interesting [09:53] a|wen: First subscribe motu-sru (not motu-swat) [09:54] slytherin: en_US is non-free [09:54] pochu: assuming that en_GB and en_US are non-free, are they at least fit for multiverse? [09:54] slytherin: oh, i'll do that (tried to look at how similar bugs was subscribed) [09:54] or should I exclude en_US and en_GB from the binary? [09:58] mok0, I haven't found any references of autopano in Debian (only in multimedia-debian), so no sync possible :-) [09:58] slytherin: from reading only that description, I'd say en_US fits for multiverse. I think en_GB does too, but am less sure about that. But I haven't read the licenses, that's only from reading that restrictions line :) [09:58] fabrice_sp: what's it for? [09:58] hmm [09:59] slytherin: should i do anything else apart from that to brig attention to it as a security issue? [09:59] a|wen: mark it as security issue and add a link to CVE [09:59] slytherin, a|wen: I thought for security issues you could subscribe motu-swat directly, as if it's going to go to $distro-security, it doesn't need an SRU approval [10:00] ahh, I got confused. I thought it was similar to SWAT team for X packages [10:00] mok0, it is used in hugin to find matching points between pictures, to make panoramas. [10:00] mok0, Also, from a patent stand point, I discovered that the sift algorithm is patented in the USA. :-/ [10:01] pochu: geser: I am now thinking if I should put each pattern in separate binary. That way all the binaries except en_GB and en_US will live in universe. [10:01] pochu: okay, thx ... right now both motu-sru and motu-swat ended up being subscribed, then it should have a chance [10:01] slytherin: fi is also for multiverse, hu isn't redistributable at all, [10:02] slytherin: in any case put all the free ones in one binary, and all the non-free that fit for multiverse in another one... but not one binary per package, I'd say [10:02] slytherin: you can't put the source into universe [10:03] pochu: i should keep the bug as private, right? [10:04] geser: I know. source will still go into multiverse. [10:04] a|wen: no need to keep the bug private if the issue is already public (known) [10:04] * a|wen makes it public ... thx [10:35] jpds: launchpadlibrarian.net is http, I've never seen a https link for it, and dget will handle the https://launchpad.net/ubuntu//+source///+files/ links [10:41] fta: Have you tested geany-plugin-prj to see if it works? I don't have geany installed on my system. [10:49] iulian: i've tested it on intrepid, it woks fine. [10:49] iulian: haven't tested on jaunty though [10:53] I'm testing it right now. [10:54] iulian: alright. brb i'm gonna log out to test a bug with gnome-keyring [11:05] hyperair: I have just uploaded it. Thank you. [11:06] iulian: thanks [11:31] hi [11:31] someone from debian online? [11:31] my package is now in ubuntu and i filed an itp for debian ... how do i have to proceed? [11:32] soc: Look for a DD to sponsor your package. [11:32] soc: Send an email to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org. [11:35] and aksing for a sponsor? [11:35] soc: Also visit #debian-mentors on OFTC [11:35] what does sponsor mean? [11:35] ah ok [11:36] could anyone take a look at here? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gnome-format [11:38] jpds: do you know/work with python? [11:40] stdin: Yes. [11:41] jpds: I wrote a python rewrite of dgetlp a while ago, but I forgot about it. could you give it a look over: http://pastebin.com/f284785b5 [11:42] Where on LP does dget not work? [11:43] Laney: the +queue [11:45] stdin: Looks good, should I put it into u-d-t replace the bash script? [11:46] jpds: IMO it works better than the bash script and provides better error handling. so I'd say yes :) I've tested it a little but not rigorously [11:47] it "Works For Me" [11:48] and I'll probably smooth out the code some time, just to make it look nicer === Sp4rKy is now known as Guest53951 === Guest53951 is now known as Sp4rKy [11:55] stdin: Pushed to main branch, let me know if you want changes added. [11:56] jpds: sure :) [11:59] stdin: Gives a traceback when run with no args [11:59] and you should consider updating the manpage ;) [12:12] Laney: right, so how does one edit the manpage without knowing the language it's written in? [12:13] stdin: It shouldn't be too hard to edit the existing one, following that syntax, should it? [12:13] sure, but I was wondering if there was and "easy" way ;) [12:14] stdin: I don't know the manpage syntax either but I managed to update manpages just by looking how it's done at other places in the manpage and copy that [12:15] !info gmanedit [12:15] gmanedit (source: gmanedit): GTK+ man pages editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1-1.1 (intrepid), package size 48 kB, installed size 240 kB [12:15] ^ [12:15] you could also try this app out (never used it myself) [12:17] ok, give me a minute to change it [12:22] Hello, I am installing a font, how do I make the defoma hints file for it ? [12:44] hah, gmanedit segfaults on exit [12:57] stdin: Please file a bug. [12:57] iulian: already have [13:03] jpds: here's a patch to fix the error Laney mentioned and updated manpage http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/dgetlp.diff [13:03] stdin: I suggest displaying the usage info [13:03] Laney: it does now [13:03] Oh, maybe I misunderstand what parser.error is then [13:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/112431/ [13:05] defoma-hints is not working ! [13:09] should a font package build-depend on fontforge ?! [13:10] Hello to everybody. I'm new here and I have a question. [13:10] My situation is the next one. I'm a developer of my own game, called "Gnome Quod", I've published it in ppa.launchpad.net. But I want to know, can my program be placed in official Ubuntu Repositories? [13:12] Vest: under what license is it released? [13:12] pochu: I release it with GPL v3 license [13:12] http://sourceforge.net/projects/gquod [13:14] and it was sucessfully build with launchpad, https://launchpad.net/~vest-84/+archive [13:15] Vest: then yes (because of the license) [13:15] Vest: would you like to maintain it? [13:16] yes, of course. [13:16] Vest: then you want to upload it to REVU, so that MOTUs can review it and upload to the archive if it's right [13:16] !revu [13:16] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [13:18] pochu: thank you for help. I'll read it [13:19] pochu: what kind of ristrictions will I have in future, if I become a maintainer of my own game? [13:21] <__Ali__> anyone knows an library debian packaging which installation path of /usr/lib/MyLib rather than /usr/lib? [13:21] don't mix packaging and upstream code [13:21] <__Ali__> whatever i tried, the outcome debian package does not hold any shared objects [13:21] Hi, can someone help this person in regards to gpl, a proprietary piece and packaging: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6656152&postcount=63 [13:46] pochu: do you know, should my debian/changelof have version (0.2.1-7ubuntu0(1,2,3...)) instead of simple (0.2.1-7)? === _Nicke_ is now known as Nicke [13:47] ahem, should a font package build-depend on fontforge ?! [13:59] Hello, can anyone confirm a bug ? [13:59] I mean, I found a bug, after searching launchpad, I found that someone else reported the same bug [14:00] can I set the bug status to confirmed then ? [14:00] stdin: Pushed. Thanks! [14:03] Vest: if the package doesn't exist dor Debian yet, end it with -0ubuntu1 [14:04] s/dor/for/ [14:05] loic-m: my package isn't published yet in debian archive. so, I have to add the ending manually? [14:07] Vest: the ending should be created when you use tha packaging tools, like dh_make [14:08] Vest: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Videos especially http://videos.ubuntu.com/motuvideos/packaging_101.ogg [14:08] loic-m: thank you, I understand. can you tell me, should I use jaunty version instead of intrepid when I want to publish my project in official repos? [14:08] Vest: it's a step-by-step, follow it while packaging from scratch, pause for each step [14:09] Vest: always use the development version [14:09] Vest: if you can watch the video while doing it, it makes it really easy [14:10] Vest: dev version = jaunty for teh moment [14:10] can I people with intrepid use jaunty versions? [14:10] *can people [14:11] in most cases no because of the dependencies [14:11] geser: not true [14:11] He said most cases' [14:12] Package pinning is not very difficult to do [14:12] Not even for most cases, I'd say it'd be more like a few [14:12] zpowers: Sure, and when you pulled in libc6 from Jaunty or something else like d-bus, it's essentially game over [14:12] I asked, because I have repos in ppa.launchpad. and changelog allows to use only one version of ubuntu (by the way I've tried the situation "intrepid jaunty", as described in help.lanchpad) [14:13] StevenK: nice one, especially that Vest is developing a game [14:13] It's just an expression [14:13] Vest: if you want it in the repositories for intrepid, upload to revu for Jaunty, then request a backport [14:14] StevenK: yup [14:14] revu isn't for backports... [14:14] a! so... that is how I have to do... I see... how interesting [14:15] Vest: if you want to upload to your PPA, once your packages is ok for jaunty, just edit the changelog, change the version by appending something like ~intrepid1 (note the ~) after -0ubuntu1 [14:15] Vest: then create an entry for intrepid (your ppa of course) in your .dput.cf and upload to it [14:16] Vest: PPAs support copying between different releases, so you can upload to Intrepid and then copy the sources to Jaunty to have it build there too [14:17] aha... good. and, do you know, if I upload my sources to REVU, they will have a status "Needs Review". Can I continue the work under my application and reupload the new version over the old one? [14:18] Laney: was that fixed? Last week when I ask in #launchpad, it was still only possible between different ppa (if you want to rebuild from source) [14:18] Laney: doesn't it only work when he copies the debs too? [14:18] Vest: yes [14:18] Laney: just checked, and it's not possible yet, at least on my ppa [14:19] loic-m: Hmm? Set destination to "this PPA", series to "Jaunty" and ask to rebuild? [14:19] I admit I've only seen the UI, not actually tried it [14:20] Laney: it throws an error. Try it and you'll see it doesn't work [14:20] Laney: this won't work because of the pool structure [14:20] geser, should I use the option -f (dput -f) to overwrite the package with the same name, or not? [14:21] geser: That's disappointing then [14:21] yes (or remove the .upload file) [14:22] geser, and afterwards I remove my package and upload it again. will it's queue changed to last? :) [14:23] Vest: I don't know how the sorting on REVU really works === apachelogger is now known as vacationlogger [14:33] sorry, guys, can you help me with this problem? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/gnome-quod-0902011503/lintian I can't understand what's wrong (I don't write build-essential as dependency) [14:35] Vest: you build-depend on (unversioned) libc6-dev which is part of build-essentials -> you don't need to specify it [14:36] and the other error is, that you source package is native (has no .diff.gz) [14:36] hm [14:36] thankx [14:36] *thanks [14:48] is defoma still to be used ? [14:48] LP 308539 [14:48] Launchpad bug 308539 in defoma "/usr/bin/defoma-hints broken due to deleted dependency" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308539 [14:54] The legal check from revu.ubuntuwire.com. Is this a program I can ran localy on my maschine? [14:56] MaduserTr: lintian, I think it is. [14:58] it's licensecheck [14:58] `licensecheck -R *` [14:58] but that's not enough, it's just a tool to help you [14:59] jpds, pochu: Thnaks [15:06] hi everyone [15:06] keyserver.ubuntu.com is down [15:06] does anyone know what happened about it ? [15:07] BiNaRi0: I think #canonical-sysadmin is where the people maintaining that service hang [15:07] thanks [15:07] np [15:08] * directhex wonders who did funny things to one of his sync bugs [15:09] check the activity log [15:13] i did. someone marked it invalid & converted it to a question, but didn't say, i dunno, WHY [15:13] Hmm, that's odd. What is the bug #, directhex? [15:14] 323948 [15:14] i reopened it. which i know is poor form, but so is closing bugs without comment [15:15] bug #323948 [15:15] Launchpad bug 323948 in cli-common "Please sync cli-common 0.6.0 (main) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323948 [15:16] directhex: funny ^^ [15:17] Well, it's not funny... [15:17] Bleah [16:29] superm1: fixed FTBS in rt2860-linux-sta and rt2870-linux-sta packages just now. === shiyee_ is now known as shiyee [17:31] hi, I need a clue what pbuilder tries to do here: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/393976/ [17:31] I don't see why it wants to copy a .gnome-file [17:34] use pbuilder on the .dsc file and not on the .changes file [17:36] oh my, that did it [17:36] how embarrassing [17:37] thanks [17:39] lol [17:43] well just another question: How do I build same releases for different distros? Do I need to change debian/changelog somehow? [17:43] depends [17:43] using dpkg-buildpackage and pbuilder and dput [17:44] if you're uploading to a PPA, then you need to alter debian/changelog [17:44] set the distro [17:44] otherwise, just run it thorugh pbuilder [17:44] the appropriate pbuilder [17:44] yeah I want to use dput [17:45] just like sed 's/intrepid/jaunty/g'? [17:45] um [17:45] no [17:45] just the top one will do [17:45] don't change every single instance of it [17:45] oh if you're uploading to PPA, you'll need different version numbers [17:45] just mangle them by adding ~distro1 or something [17:46] you can't upload the same version to different distros in PPA [17:46] ah so like ubuntu1 for intrepid and ubuntu2 for jaunty? thats why i asked [17:47] I need kind of a concept [17:48] or use ubuntu1 for jaunty and ubuntu1~intrepid1 for intrepid [17:48] ok === geser_ is now known as geser [17:50] geser: i still wouldn't use ubuntu1 for jaunty [17:50] you often want the new versino to override the old [17:51] anyway, that did it for intrepid so far: https://edge.launchpad.net/~globalmenu-team/+archive/ppa [17:51] * RainCT ponders creating a printers-are-evil LP group :P [17:52] hyperair: ubuntu1 > ubuntu1~intrepid1 [17:52] Hmm. I haven't seen a guide or something explaining how to name versions. [17:52] why not put a name to each distribution like ubuntu1~jaunty1 [17:52] geser: ubuntu1 (from main repos) > ubuntu1~jaunty1 (jaunty PPA) > ubuntu1~intrepid1 (intrepid PPA) [17:53] bmhm: there's a PPA guide somewhere [17:53] bmhm: go read that one [17:53] iss ppa1~jaunty1 > ubuntu1 ? [17:53] rule is always mangle your versions to enter PPA unless you want to screw up your upgrade path [17:55] hyperair: where is somewhere? Ubuntu docs? Launchpad docs? Some hidden dev docs? [17:55] I read docs almost everywhere by now [17:55] bmhm: no, as p < u [17:56] then why not just leave the "ubuntu" out, like "gnome2-globalmenu~intrepid1" "gnome2-globalmenu~jaunty1" [17:56] the debian policy has a description of how version sorting works [17:56] kk [17:56] I was just looking for a recommendation how to name my changes ^^" [17:56] bmhm: launchpad docs [17:56] don't mix upstream version and ubuntu revision, that are two different fields [17:57] that's how I did it by now: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~globalmenu-team/+archive/ppa [17:57] hyperair: I will take a look at it [17:58] bmhm: you shouldn't do that. [17:59] so what's wrong? [17:59] err... what can I do better [18:00] -0ubuntu1~ppa [18:00] assuming that debian and ubuntu dont have it [18:01] they don't have it, correct [18:01] I found the guilde: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Versioning === fta_ is now known as fta [18:02] myapp_1.0-2~ppa1~intrepid1 contra myapp_1.0-2~ppa1~hardy1 [18:02] oh I did use a hyphen instead of a tilde [18:05] and htat makes all the differecne [18:06] ah there's a dead link [18:06] https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#copyingpackages [18:06] a link to Ubuntu Mobile team's PPA copy packages [18:10] is this better? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~globalmenu-team/+archive/ppa [18:11] very much so [18:12] ok, thanks a lot then for helping [18:12] no problem [18:13] gtk2-globalmenu... [18:13] is that the one where you strip the menus out from the windows and stick it onto the panel? [18:24] re [18:24] exactly [18:24] awesome. the next time i feel bored with my current interface i'll check it out [18:24] i accidentally installed it once on arch [18:25] hyperair: I joined for building packages only. As far as I can see, preferences won't work yet and there's no icon for switching apps etc. [18:25] but screenshots on http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ look promising [18:26] hahah [18:26] you know what? [18:26] that sounds like me [18:26] one and a half years ago [18:26] ;) [18:26] no wait [18:26] less than a year [18:26] i joined the Banshee Team [18:27] and founded the Banshee Unstable Team [18:27] for packaging [18:27] yeah [18:28] banshee <3 [18:29] hyperair: Do you know when the next release will be? I read that it'll enable gnome-do to have a full plugin [18:29] Laney: =) [18:29] hyperair: does banshee support MPRIS? [18:29] bmhm: no it doesn't [18:29] that's sad [18:29] I should submit a patch [18:30] go ahead =) [18:30] Audacious does, but it doesn't integrate at all into gnome :( [18:30] bmhm: you know enough C# to do so? [18:30] it's C#? :-/ [18:30] bmhm: what's mpris used for anyway? i only see it used in pidgin-mpris [18:30] bmhm: and yes it's C# [18:30] I can code C, IBM Mainframe Assembler and Java. [18:31] bmhm: that's the reason why i've only submitted one patch for banshee before, and that's for their at-that-time defunct shell loader script [18:31] well I can code a little object pascal, too :D [18:31] i can do C, C++, shell, python, but i've only really done major patching in shell and C/C++ [18:32] i hate pascal and everything to do with it [18:32] really?? [18:32] yep [18:32] I LOVE it <3 [18:32] it's so clean and straight-foreward [18:32] well i think it has omething to do with me starting with turbo pascal [18:32] *shudder* [18:32] So did I, in school [18:32] what a strange syntax [18:33] I call it beautiful. That's why I like python, too, I gues ;-) [18:33] i like python [18:33] python's syntax is clean [18:33] but not pascal's =\ [18:33] yeah, I should have bought a python book by now [18:33] ok let's try banshee [18:33] no wai [18:34] i learnt python from the internet [18:34] just as i learnt C and C++ from the internet [18:34] and shell [18:34] wow [18:35] I like books, I mean "real" books :) [18:35] bmhm: me too :) I print stuff from internet to read it in the bed ;) [18:36] that's not exactly a real book, but it's closer than reading it from the screen :) === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [18:36] :D [18:36] pochu: you kill trees!! :P :P [18:37] heh [18:38] I was looking to buy a book this evening from Oreilly, but the transport fee is actually more expensive than the book itself :( [18:38] nah banshee is not good for me [18:38] so if someone is coming to Spain from the US, tell me ;) [18:38] ... or to germany :D [18:38] bmhm: rhythmbox is C! :-) [18:38] i know pochu, but rhythmbox has other problems [18:39] I stick with amarok i think [18:39] rhythmbox has this annoying "feature" where it bugs me to install codecs which can't be fuond upon startup everytime [18:39] and leaks memory faster than a sieve leaks water [18:39] bmhm: but amarok doesn't integrate well into GNOME! ;) [18:39] pochu: right.. I ordered my research project as a book (from lulu.com) and transport was the same prize as the book [18:39] that sucks :( [18:40] yeah i know. But still better than audacios. Rhythmbox and banshee lack expert settings :( [18:40] bmhm: what are you looking for exactly? [18:40] like choosing specific folders to scan for media, or setting more advanced options for ogg/flac encoding [18:40] hyperair: how much memory does banshee waste? [18:40] regarding that, poke around in gconf [18:40] here rhythmbox is eating 40MB after several hours (I think more than a day) [18:41] pochu: somewhere aruond 50-90MB on my notebook [18:41] heh [18:41] after a week [18:41] no, more than that [18:41] i don't shut down [18:41] and you say rhythmbox leaks? ;) [18:41] i hibernate and restore [18:41] oh yeah sure i do [18:41] wow.. 40MB here too (after 6 hours) [18:41] it reached 500MB on my notebook [18:41] >=( [18:41] heh [18:41] you call that _not_ leaking? [18:41] but I still have 3GB free anyway :P [18:41] yay [18:41] that's probably fixed now :) [18:42] i have 2GB total [18:42] RainCT: lol [18:42] I got 2 in total :/ [18:42] xD [18:42] * pochu has 2 too [18:42] besides, banshee's got a more shiny look to it [18:42] with the custom treeview [18:42] yeah thats nice [18:42] but I still struggle with the media library [18:42] ah [18:42] purging... [18:42] what's wrong? [18:42] oh yeah banshee has awesome searching support [18:43] I can't choose a specific folder to import [18:43] yes you can [18:43] set your media library folder [18:43] I did [18:43] nothing to be imported [18:43] and import from folder [18:43] oO [18:43] * pochu likes rhythmbox interface [18:43] ctrl+i [18:43] bmhm: memory is cheap nowadays... 4GB instead of 2GB was just 10€ iirc (+15€ more to switch from 6xx to 800 Mhz) [18:43] * hyperair likes banshee interface [18:44] RainCT: I got DDR1 - it's not that cheap [18:44] RainCT: as long as it's not from manufacturers, yes ;) [18:44]