[15:37] <johnc4510> morning all
[15:37] <kennymc0> morning
[15:37] <johnc4510> :)
[15:39] <kennymc0> the last itb link is from the middle of december
[15:39] <johnc4510> looking
[15:39] <tyche> Oh, is it morning?
[15:39] <johnc4510> yep
[15:39] <kennymc0> that's just what johnc4510 is telling me so i'm going with it
[15:40] <johnc4510> ok kennymc0 delete it and...
[15:40] <johnc4510> nick mentioned making the titles for ITP and ITB [15:40] <kennymc0> i can do that
[15:40] <johnc4510> so that folks can use the table of contents to go right to an article
[15:41] <johnc4510> k thx
[15:41] <kennymc0> not a bad idea
[15:41] <johnc4510> what's everyone working on?
[15:41] <tyche> trying to peal my eyes open.
[15:41] <johnc4510> lol
[15:41] <johnc4510> events are hard on old men hee hee
[15:42] <johnc4510> anyone working on GCN??
[15:42] <tyche> Yep.  You can say that again.
[15:42] <kennymc0> i'm working on the itb articles
[15:42] <kennymc0> that's why i mentioned the last link
[15:42] <tyche> Well, I was thinking about it.  I haven't reached the "working" stage yet.
[15:42] <johnc4510> kennymc0: k
[15:43] <johnc4510> ok i'll start on the GCN then and let tyche wake up. you can pick something else
[15:43] <tyche> johnc4510: I sent you that writeup
[15:43] <johnc4510> is dave around
[15:43] <johnc4510> tyche: thx
[15:43]  * kennymc0 hands tyche a cup of the thickest darkest coffee imaginable
[15:43] <johnc4510> where's myrtlebeach at??
[15:43]  * tyche downs it without noticing.
[15:43] <kennymc0> no idea
[15:44]  * kennymc0 hands tyche another one hoping that this one will help wake him up enough to work
[15:44] <johnc4510> well if he's not around, tyche better work on the ITP section maybe ??
[15:45] <kennymc0> i can help if i finish my work soon enough
[15:47] <kennymc0> oh johnc4510 about that last link that you said to delete it's probably a good thing that we arent including it because the title was "Ubuntu sucks. I hate Linux"
[15:47] <johnc4510> yeah i saw that
[15:48] <johnc4510> however, the article was very complimentary of Ubuntu
[15:48] <johnc4510> it was an odd thing
[15:48] <kennymc0> ah
[15:48] <kennymc0> must have been a love hate sort of thing
[15:48] <johnc4510> i initially read it because of the title and was surprised
[15:48] <johnc4510> yeah
[15:58] <kennymc0> first ITB is up
[16:01] <johnc4510> k
[16:02] <kennymc0> second one is going to take a while
[16:02] <kennymc0> long article
[16:02] <johnc4510> k
[16:02] <johnc4510> tyche: kennymc0 were any pictures taken at the installfest?
[16:02] <kennymc0> yeah
[16:02] <tyche> kennymc0 has some excellent ones.
[16:03] <tyche> I think mine were pretty much a duplication of his.
[16:03] <kennymc0> http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/kennymc0/phoenix%20intrepid%20install%20fest/
[16:03] <johnc4510> looking
[16:04] <johnc4510> ok, i'll work on integrating those into the summary
[16:04] <johnc4510> thx they look good
[16:05]  * kennymc0 is mr photographer
[16:05] <johnc4510> lol
[16:05] <kennymc0> i think the team should buy me a nice camera so i can take even better pictures :P
[16:05]  * kennymc0 is dreaming
[16:05] <johnc4510> lol
[16:05] <johnc4510> you are dreaming son
[16:05] <johnc4510> :)
[16:05] <tyche> Definitely dreaming.
[16:06] <kennymc0> but i could take such better pictures with a better camera
[16:06] <johnc4510> tyche:  and i get raises before that happens  hee hee
[16:06] <tyche> Do you really want better pictures of me wearing a kilt?  Hee hee
[16:06] <tyche> You took some pretty good ones as it was.
[16:06] <kennymc0> notice tyche most of the pictures of you were from the waist up
[16:07] <johnc4510> smart thinking   rofl
[16:07] <kennymc0> that was on purpose
[16:07] <johnc4510> :)
[16:07] <tyche> At least 2 of them weren't
[16:07] <kennymc0> well i had to show others what torchure we were subjected to by you
[16:08] <tyche> I'm thinking of sending one of them to Utilikilts for their gallery.
[16:08] <tyche> I'm a light?
[16:08] <johnc4510> did anyone get a pic of the banner?
[16:08] <johnc4510> i hope
[16:08] <tyche> torchure = standing light with high intensity bulb.  Torture = Gitmo
[16:08] <johnc4510> :)
[16:09] <kennymc0> ................
[16:09] <johnc4510> tyche: you happen to get a banner pic?
[16:09] <tyche> I don't think so, other than one of it being unrolled to be mounted.
[16:09] <johnc4510> k
[16:09] <kennymc0> yeah i didnt get one either
[16:09] <johnc4510> k
[16:09] <kennymc0> other than it being rolled up
[16:10] <kennymc0> i even got a picture of tyche talking to you on skype :)
[16:10] <johnc4510> ah
[16:10] <tyche> Yea, that was a good one.
[16:13] <kennymc0> i even got a couple of pictures of tyche taking pictures like i normally do
[16:14] <kennymc0> :)
[16:17] <tyche> First ITP is up.
[16:18] <johnc4510> k
[16:35] <johnc4510> ok, i just uploaded the summary of the installfest with a link to the wiki page i set up
[16:36]  * kennymc0 claps
[16:36] <johnc4510> :)
[16:36] <kennymc0> :)
[16:38] <johnc4510> myrtlebeachbums1: hey
[16:38] <myrtlebeachbums1> *YAWN* Hi
[16:38] <myrtlebeachbums1> Man I had being primary on-call.
[16:39] <johnc4510> ah
[16:39] <johnc4510> check with tyche on where he's at on ITP
[16:39]  * kennymc0 waits for johnc4510 to get the whip and tell myrtlebeachbums1 to "get to work"
[16:39] <kennymc0> rofl
[16:39] <johnc4510> please
[16:39] <johnc4510> lol
[16:40] <myrtlebeachbums1> Rules on on-call: 1. Never watch a movie. It draws calls like a bug zapper draws flies, 2. Work has a sensor to determine the moment you hit the deepest REM sleep so that they can call then.
[16:40] <tyche> myrtlebeachbums1: You can take the last ITP if you want
[16:40] <myrtlebeachbums1> Will do.
[16:42] <kennymc0> it looks like i have to drive out to tempe to pick up my brother from asu real soon so i might not be able to finish the itb articles
[16:42] <kennymc0> i'm almost finished reading the second article so if someone could take the last one that would be very much appreciated
[16:42] <tyche> johnc4510: your summarization looks good.
[16:42] <johnc4510> thanks
[16:42] <johnc4510> you did most of it
[16:42] <johnc4510> lol
[16:43] <tyche> Hey, what can I say.  I tried.
[16:43] <tyche> Second ITP is in.
[16:43] <johnc4510> myrtlebeachbums1: you can move down to ION after that last ITP link please
[16:43] <johnc4510> there are 3 of those
[16:43] <myrtlebeachbums1> Okay. Going to paste in that ITP link as soon as I get logged in.
[16:44] <johnc4510> tyche: can you summarize the technical board meeting please
[16:44] <johnc4510> tyche: just copy and paste it in please
[16:44] <tyche> OK, I'll see what I can do with it.
[16:45] <johnc4510> you may have to clean it up some
[16:45] <tyche> Looks like I need to clean it up a lot.  also condense some of it.
[16:45] <johnc4510> k
[16:46] <johnc4510> it doesn't matter how long it is i don't think
[16:46] <johnc4510> we're a little short on fodder this wk
[16:46] <johnc4510> :)
[16:47] <tyche> kk
[16:48] <myrtlebeachbums1> I see we changed the article title format for ITB.
[16:49] <johnc4510> yeah
[16:49] <johnc4510> nick wants to try it out
[16:49] <kennymc0> it's supposed to be the same for ITP too right?
[16:50] <johnc4510> the should look the same
[16:50] <myrtlebeachbums1> There they go raising the bar and causing us more work kennymc0 ;)
[16:50] <tyche> Yep.  About now kennymc0 is READY for a bar.  Hee hee
[16:51] <myrtlebeachbums1> LOL
[16:51] <johnc4510> ok guys the ITB needs to be [16:51] <johnc4510> so they look alike
[16:51] <johnc4510> :)
[16:55] <kennymc0> picky picky picky
[16:55] <johnc4510> yep
[16:55] <johnc4510> :)
[16:55] <kennymc0> cant exactly fix it since someone is in the editor right now
[16:55] <johnc4510> i'm out
[16:56] <kennymc0> second itb up
[16:56] <johnc4510> k
[16:57] <kennymc0> i think i can do the last itb real quick before i have to leave to pick up my brother
[16:57] <kennymc0> and i fixed it so that it was the way you wanted
[16:57] <johnc4510> k
[16:57] <johnc4510> thx
[17:01] <tyche> myrtlebeachbums1: let me know when you're out, please
[17:01] <myrtlebeachbums1> I'm out. ION and the ITP that I did are done and ready for review.
[17:01] <johnc4510> hee hee
[17:02] <johnc4510> k
[17:02] <myrtlebeachbums1> ...and I got another &(*(&*&$#Q call from work about a problem. GGGGrrrrrr.....
[17:02] <johnc4510> k
[17:02]  * myrtlebeachbums1 is not a happy camper.
[17:02] <johnc4510> tyche: i've got the server team summary done
[17:02] <johnc4510> just need to add it
[17:04] <tyche> OK, I'm out
[17:04] <johnc4510> k thx
[17:05] <kennymc0> i need to add my last ITB real quick so i can leave soon
[17:06] <johnc4510> k
[17:06] <johnc4510> i'll wait
[17:06] <tyche> johnc4510: How'd I do?
[17:06] <johnc4510> looking
[17:07] <kennymc0> i still have the upcoming events to do but if no one minds i can do that after i get back
[17:07] <kennymc0> should be about an hourish or so
[17:07] <johnc4510> tyche: that looks fine
[17:07] <johnc4510> thx
[17:07] <kennymc0> well gotta go bbiab
[17:07] <johnc4510> kennymc0: ok
[17:09] <tyche> Hmmm.  I see a small correction (formatting) I need to address.
[17:11] <johnc4510> k
[17:13] <tyche> OK, that looks better
[17:14] <johnc4510> :)
[17:15] <tyche> Who's covering Upcoming Meetings this week?
[17:15] <johnc4510> kenny
[17:15] <johnc4510> he'll be back shortly i think
[17:15] <johnc4510> had to pick up his brother
[17:15] <tyche> Ah.  OK.  Splitting my time between things I missed that entry in the channel.  Sorry.
[17:16] <johnc4510> np
[17:22] <johnc4510> tyche: did nick take out his credit this wk. i thought i added it at the start
[17:23] <tyche> I think someone else may have taken it out.  I added yours and mine, but his wasn't in at that time.
[17:24] <johnc4510> ah ok
[17:24] <johnc4510> thx
[17:26] <tyche> johnc4510: would SoC be System-on-a-Chip?
[17:27] <johnc4510> what article?
[17:27] <tyche> Reference:  Canonical joins ARM community
[17:27] <johnc4510> looking
[17:28] <johnc4510> yeah i guess it would, that's the only thing wikipedia gives as an explanation
[17:28] <johnc4510> use it
[17:29] <tyche> Yep.  that's the same reference I saw.  Hee hee
[17:29] <johnc4510> k
[17:29] <tyche> Great minds, and all that.  To bad we don't have any.  LOL
[17:29] <johnc4510> lol
[17:31] <tyche> You know? It's great having the Glossary page.  It's faster, and more consistent when all I have to do is copy and paste.
[17:32] <johnc4510> cool
[17:32] <johnc4510> glad it helps you
[17:32] <johnc4510> :)
[17:43] <johnc4510> tyche: i'm out if you need to add any glossary terms
[17:43] <johnc4510> :)
[17:44] <tyche> Going in.
[17:44] <johnc4510> ok, i'm saving
[17:44] <johnc4510> out
[17:44] <tyche> OK.
[17:45] <tyche> And out.
[17:46] <johnc4510> ok, tyche the second bullet point on  5 things mark s. is odd
[17:46] <johnc4510> ?
[17:47] <johnc4510> once one has the individual has the inspiration?
[17:47] <tyche> Where?
[17:47] <johnc4510> ist in ITP
[17:47] <johnc4510> 2nd bullet poiiint
[17:47] <johnc4510> point
[17:48] <tyche> got it.  My fault, I was following two trains of thought at the same time.  I'll fix.
[17:48] <johnc4510> np
[17:49] <tyche> Fixed
[17:49] <johnc4510> thx
[17:49] <johnc4510> much better :)
[17:50]  * tyche is brain dead.  Only the body is still moving
[17:50] <tyche> Hee hee
[17:50] <johnc4510> lol
[17:50] <johnc4510> np
[17:52] <tyche> "Igor, fetch the electrodes"
[17:52] <tyche> "Clear" >>>ZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAPPP!!!<<<
[17:52] <johnc4510> hee hee
[17:53] <tyche> "Igor, where did you get this brain?  Whose is it?"
[17:53] <johnc4510> careful there we still need you for some things  lol
[17:53] <tyche> "Abby something.  Abby Normal . . ."
[17:54] <tyche> Hee hee
[17:55] <johnc4510> :->
[17:58] <johnc4510> hmm, they've got the ITB articles bullet pointed and they shouldn't be with headers
[17:59] <johnc4510> fixed
[19:37] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop: I haven't heard from kennymc0.  Want me to put up the Upcoming Events?
[19:37] <johnc4510-laptop> yes please
[19:37] <tyche> kk.  Going in.
[19:37] <johnc4510-laptop> i'm doing my final run thru now
[19:40] <tyche> Proofing them.
[19:40] <tyche> Saved and out.
[19:40] <kennymc0> i'm back
[19:41] <kennymc0> sorry it took so long
[19:41] <johnc4510-laptop> k thx
[19:41] <johnc4510-laptop> np
[19:41] <johnc4510-laptop> tyche took up _your_ slack
[19:41] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[19:41] <johnc4510-laptop> jk
[19:41] <kennymc0> well he needed to do something for letting me do that one week of upcoming events all on my own
[19:41] <johnc4510-laptop> however he did say something about you owing him
[19:41] <kennymc0> 36 EVENTS!!!!!
[19:43] <kennymc0> at least i was able to finish all of the ITB stuff before i had to leave
[19:43] <tyche> And you think you're the only one who's had difficult weeks?
[19:43] <tyche> Yep.  and that was good
[19:43] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[19:43] <kennymc0> what was it that you wanted to point out to me tyche
[19:43] <johnc4510-laptop> it's been a good job by all   thx
[19:43] <kennymc0> i see that you said something about a format thing that you wanted to talk to me about
[19:44] <kennymc0> or was that just a general comment?
[19:44] <tyche> johnc4510-laptop: I don't remember anything.
[19:44] <johnc4510-laptop> ah
[19:44] <johnc4510-laptop> yes
[19:44] <johnc4510-laptop> the ITB summaries had bullet points in addition to the new headers
[19:45] <johnc4510-laptop> they don't need both
[19:45] <johnc4510-laptop> so i took the bullet points out
[19:45] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[19:47] <kennymc0> ah ok
[19:47] <johnc4510-laptop> so it's either one or the other
[19:47] <kennymc0> ok
[19:47] <kennymc0> wasnt sure so i just put both in
[19:47] <johnc4510-laptop> since this is a test run of the new formatting we'll see
[19:47] <johnc4510-laptop> np
[19:48] <johnc4510-laptop> i should have explained it better
[20:19] <johnc4510-laptop> beuno: hey bud
[20:19] <johnc4510-laptop> ok, issue #127 is published
[20:19] <johnc4510-laptop> thx to all the team for another great issue
[20:19] <johnc4510-laptop> and they're hard work
[20:20] <johnc4510-laptop> you folks rock
[20:20] <johnc4510-laptop> !!
[20:28] <johnc4510-laptop> new issue of the UWN #127 is out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue127
[21:45] <LirazSiri> hey guys
[21:45] <tyche> What's up?
[21:46] <LirazSiri> great, I wanted to ask why we weren't also doing jaunty bug statistics?
[21:46] <tyche> It'll probably come.  Just as Jaunty updates will probably come when it goes Beta
[21:47] <tyche> That's when we usually start that.
[21:47] <LirazSiri> It makes more sense I think to focus on pre-release statistics than post-release statistics
[21:47] <LirazSiri> Thats what Debian do
[21:48] <LirazSiri> in fact, thats their criteria for release. When the RC bugs go down to 0
[21:48] <tyche> Not really.  Pre-release is all very well, but it's POST-release that lets people know what's been done.  And if we waited for bugs to go to zero, we'd never get it out.
[21:48] <tyche> Plus, some of the bugs don't show up until AFTER the release.
[21:49] <tyche> Remember, we may USE Debian, but we are NOT Debian.  Our ways are different.
[21:49] <LirazSiri> ah so you think people hold back until they see what experience others are getting with the new release. Interesting.
[21:50] <LirazSiri> yes, I remember reading Shuttleworth's rational for starting a new project rather than contributing to Debian
[21:50] <LirazSiri> contributing directly I mean. I think Ubuntu contributes plenty...
[21:51] <tyche> I know some of that takes place.  Just as I know that there are people already running the Alpha release.  Ubuntu people cover a wide range of experience and ability.  Oh, and BTW, Ubuntu DOES contribute to Debian.  Remember, Mark was a Debian developer, and there are STILL major contacts with it.
[21:52] <tyche> In fact, there are Debian developers that are Ubuntu developers.
[21:52] <tyche> At least from what I've heard.
[21:53] <LirazSiri> of course. Most of Ubuntu's strongest developers are also Debian Developers. If I'm not mistaken Mark took Debian's mailing list archives with him on a trip to the Artic to figure out whom to approach for a job developing Ubuntu
[21:53] <LirazSiri> it's a nice story actually
[21:53] <LirazSiri> last time I checked (I was doing a little research) - most Ubuntu developers lead "double" lives
[21:54] <LirazSiri> Ubuntu developers by day, Debian developers by night. Or something to that effect anyway
[21:55] <tyche> The point is that there's a wide open superhighway, not just a path, between Ubuntu and Debian.
[21:55] <LirazSiri> yep. ok I have to run off now, just wanted to say hello but I guess I missed most of the guys.
[21:55] <LirazSiri> take care tyche
[21:55] <tyche> What Debian does is very good.  What Ubuntu does is very good.  The two are not in competition, but in cooperation.
[21:56] <tyche> It's superbowl sunday.  Most of them are watching the pre-game, and then the game.