[00:23] <Seeker`> fucktard: how can we help you?
[00:23] <fucktard> this isn't the nick I chose
[00:24] <Seeker`> change it using /nick <newname> then
[00:24] <marry> thank you
[00:25] <Seeker`> why did you join this channel?
[00:25] <Myrtti> because of the banforward I guess
[00:26] <Seeker`> Myrtti: I'll let you deal with this
[00:27] <marry> I didn't
[00:27] <marry> its auto
[00:27] <Myrtti> marry: can you join #ubuntu now?
[00:27] <marry> yes
[00:27] <marry> its done
[00:27] <marry> thank u for ur help
[00:28] <Gary> is that a stupid irc client default name (and ircname)
[00:28] <Gary> bitchx?
[00:28] <Myrtti> huhhhh? really?
[00:28] <Myrtti> bitchx? omglol
[00:28] <Gary> well, I don't know, but I think it is
[00:28] <Seeker`> use a version on marry?
[00:29] <Gary> bit rude to version, i'll pm
[00:30] <elkbuntu> if it was, we'd see more of them
[00:31] <Gary> brother messing with his client
[00:31] <Gary> xchat
[00:31] <elkbuntu> educate him now, so we dont meet his brother
[00:31] <Gary> hehe, doing so
[00:32] <elkbuntu> also, i'm not entirely convinced he didn't know his nick was that beforehand, since he didnt get upset at being addressed as such
[00:33] <Gary> I think it was a mistake, might want to make a note of his ip and check if similar happens again
[00:34] <Gary> he/she seems okay in pm
[00:36] <elkbuntu> i mean, if i got addressed as fucktard, i'd not wait a minute then calmly state that it was not my nick
[00:36] <Gary> I might, be a bit of a shock, check, oh god, think, oops, etc
[00:37] <elkbuntu> checking my irc settings would not be the first thing on my list of reactions though
[00:38]  * nickrud has no problem imagining his brother messing with irc just like that (many moons ago, but still)
[00:38] <Gary> my bro would too
[00:39] <elkbuntu> so would mine, but it's not very high in the list of reasoning when being addressed as 'fucktard'
[00:39] <nickrud> makes it hard for me to discount 'by brother/cousin/friend set me up'
[00:40] <nickrud> well, if it highlighted :)
[00:41] <elkbuntu> the reaction still does not add up for me
[00:41] <Gary> thats why I suggest watching
[08:59] <ziroday> err #ubuntu is going down the tubes
[08:59] <ziroday> and l_ocke has showed up :(
[08:59] <ziroday> can someone come oversee please :)
[10:00] <Myrtti> morning
[10:02] <Gary> moaning
[10:04] <Myrtti> noooo
[10:06]  * Myrtti returns back to bed for the snuggles
[11:12] <jussi01> Myrtti: ping
[13:52] <Jack_Sparrow> #login
[13:52] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[13:52] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[14:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Our new factoid on clone returns an error... the old factoid still works..  ch '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate
[18:02] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[18:02] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[19:29] <Squideshi> I am using the Freenode Java applet IRC portal and am unable to join the #ubuntu channel. I seem to have no problem joining any other channel--new or pre-existing, but when I type "/join #ubuntu" nothing happens--no error message or anything.
[19:38] <Squideshi> Someone mentioned to me that the #ubuntu channel may be blocking the Freenode Java applet IRC portal; but if that were the case it would give me an error message, wouldn't it?
[19:50] <jpds> nalioth: MootBot just fell off the internet.
[19:52] <jpds> Squideshi: Java is blocked in #ubuntu.
[19:54] <nalioth> jpds: let me look
[19:55] <nalioth> jpds: network issues, the bot is running on the host machine
[19:57] <Squideshi> jpds: Is there any other way to connect to the channel on a network that does not allow the local installation of IRC client software?
[19:58] <jpds> nalioth: Oh, right. Looks like it's back now.
[20:14] <ikonia> @mark 
[20:14] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu Endophage really bad attitude send rude pm's
[20:21] <ikonia> @btlogin
[20:28] <ikonia> Endophage: do you wish to discuss your ban, or do you wish to sound off ?
[20:29] <ikonia> I'm cutting to the chase after you sounding off in #ubuntu-uk
[20:29] <Endophage> you seem very sensitive
[20:30] <ikonia> Endophage: which is it ?
[20:31] <Endophage> which is what?
[20:32] <ikonia> do you wish to discuss your ban, or do you wish to sound off ?
[20:32] <Endophage> I would rather discuss how you answer questions....... I think you could use some work on differentiating useful answers and just answers
[20:33] <ikonia> you do not have to follow my advice/comments if you chose not to, so there is nothing to discuss
[20:33] <ikonia> if you don't want to discuss your ban I'd request you leave the channel 
[20:33] <Endophage> well what's there to discuss about it
[20:34] <ikonia> no problem then, please leave the channel
[20:35] <Endophage> well if you really want to discuss it, i called you an "idiot" in a private chat, not in a public channel
[20:35] <ikonia> yes, I know this
[20:36] <ikonia> but your overall attitude towards people is not right, the idiot comment was just the trigger
[20:36] <Endophage> my attitude towards people is fine, my attitude towards people who don't assume a modicum of respect for another intelligent person is possibly a little sharp
[20:37] <ikonia> informing you that the xfi drivers are know to have serious issues - is not showing you respect ?
[20:37] <ikonia> telling you that tomcat is not a standalone platform and needs to be used with a webserver (be it apache or the inbuilt one) is not showing no respect
[20:37] <ikonia> if you don't like the advice/comments, you don't have to follow them
[20:38] <ikonia> if you don't agree, thats fine too
[20:38] <Endophage> assuming I didn't know that when I was asking if anyone knew how to fix the distortion is not giving me any respect
[20:38] <ikonia> no -one assume that
[20:38] <ikonia> I just informed you that the xfi drivers are famous for issues
[20:38] <Endophage> If I didn't know about the drivers being dodgy i would have asked why they weren't working
[20:38] <ikonia> if you knew that, great, if you don't then you have learnt something
[20:38] <Endophage> instead I asked if anyone had experience fixing them
[20:39] <ikonia> Endophage: all you have to say then is "I know the drivers have a bad rep, thanks"
[20:39] <ikonia> thats it
[20:39] <ikonia> or even ignore it
[20:39] <ikonia> giving you information is not "failing to show you respect" thats a poor stance to take
[20:41] <Endophage> giving intelligent info is received well, the kind of info you have been giving me is the equivalent of in the #latex channel where any question just gets you referred to the docs via a bot
[20:41] <Endophage> i.e. telling me to look at the tomcat docs
[20:41] <ikonia> Endophage: no it's not
[20:41] <ikonia> Endophage: how to setup tomcat - reading the tomcat intro is a good start
[20:41] <ikonia> there is nothing wrong with that
[20:41] <ikonia> both myself and mnpetok suggested that as a starting point
[20:41] <Endophage> except the tomcat docs don't say anything about setting it up with apache or as a standalone server
[20:42] <Endophage> they pretty much just say install it and it will work
[20:42] <ikonia> Endophage: really, I'm pretty sure they did, I'm sure we found something on there
[20:42] <Endophage> so I actually had to dredge through a lot of tutorials and in the end got it set up as a standalone server
[20:43] <ikonia> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/setup.html
[20:43] <Endophage> and even now it's buggy when it runs
[20:43] <ikonia> looks at the first line
[20:43] <Endophage> *reads the rest of it"
[20:43] <ikonia> I'm not trying to agrue beign right, it's your stance of people just offering suggestions
[20:43] <Endophage> nope, nothing abotu apache
[20:44] <ikonia> nothing in running.txt ?
[20:44] <ikonia> the file it says to read ?
[20:44] <Endophage> have you actually read that page of documentation
[20:44] <ikonia> (I've not got it so don't know)
[20:44] <Endophage> I mean the WHOLE page
[20:44] <ikonia> just now yes
[20:44] <ikonia> no
[20:44] <Endophage> this was where I was saying i'd installed it from synaptic
[20:44] <ikonia> so ?
[20:45] <Endophage> so I don't get running.txt
[20:45] <ikonia> I'm sure there are some valid overall points on that page, or the https://help.ubuntu.com wiki
[20:45] <ikonia> Endophage: you can download it do get it
[20:45] <ikonia> to get it
[20:45] <ikonia> that's not the point though, 
[20:46] <ikonia> the point is you see sound advice as offensive comments and a slur on your ability
[20:46] <ikonia> and you react accordingly bad
[20:46] <Endophage> I just prefer it if people answer my question rather than providing surplus information
[20:46] <ikonia> I did answer your questions
[20:47] <ikonia> with information that should help
[20:47] <Endophage> if i'm asking questiosn then I can guarantee I've been through quite a few tutorials and other docs
[20:47] <Endophage> ummmm
[20:47] <ikonia> so ?
[20:47] <ikonia> I don't know this
[20:47] <Endophage> I would strongly disagree that you answered my questions
[20:47] <ikonia> I don't know what you have / have not done
[20:47] <ikonia> just say "no problem, tried that"
[20:48] <Endophage> you provided surplus info, especially in the case of the xfi driver, you did not go any distance toward answering the question that was asked
[20:48] <ikonia> unless you state in your question the full status of things
[20:48] <ikonia> Endophage: this is going no-where
[20:48] <ikonia> Endophage: I did not know if you knew/did not the xfi drivers are a known issue - if you took that as an offensive statment to say "the xfi drivers have known issues" then you need to get a grip on what causes you offensve
[20:48] <ikonia> offense
[20:49] <ikonia> sorry to be blunt, but if you can't take one line saying "there is a known problem" without sending snotty pm's - you cannot participate in #ubuntu 
[20:49] <Endophage> it didnt cause offense
[20:49] <Endophage> it caused frustration
[20:49] <ikonia> I suggest you go away and think about if you can deal with it 
[20:49] <Endophage> i don't need to
[20:49] <Endophage> I have yet to actually get help out of any channel other than qt
[20:50] <ikonia> then why did you join #ubuntu-uk complaining about your ban
[20:50] <ikonia> if your not bothered - walk away 
[20:50] <Endophage> did you not notice the :)
[20:50] <ikonia> lets leave it here
[20:50] <ikonia> I suggest you leave, and if you feel like you want to change your stance, please rejoin at any time
[20:50] <ikonia> if not, good luck, and enjoy
[20:50] <Endophage> nice myspace page by the way
[20:51] <ikonia> thanks
[20:51] <ikonia> anything else we can do for you ?
[20:51] <Endophage> I doubt it
[20:51] <ikonia> no problem then, if you can leave and go about the rest of your dealings
[20:53] <ikonia> !idle | Endophage 
[21:25] <Squideshi> What is the difference between this channel and #ubuntu-irc. I visited the URL in the topic, but I still can't seem to figure it out.
[21:27] <Flannel> Squideshi: this channel is for 'official' channels, like #ubuntu and stuff, -irc is geared more towards LoCo channels and the like
[21:28] <Squideshi> Flannel: What are LoCo channels?
[21:38] <Squideshi> LoCo = local?
[21:39] <jpds> local community.
[21:56] <Squideshi> Someone told me that the Freenode Java applet IRC portal is blocked by the #ubuntu channel. I have two questions: First, why is it blocked? Second, is there any other way to connect to the channel on a network that does not allow the installation of local software such as IRC clients?
[22:00] <jpds> Squideshi: 1) It's to stop abuse from users. 2) You can connect from mibbit.com
[22:01] <ikonia> destra33_: you've been forwarded here due to your ident of "fuck" can you please change that
[22:01] <destra33_> ikonia sure
[22:02] <ikonia> much better
[22:02] <ikonia> thanks
[22:02] <ikonia> @bansearch destra33_
[22:03] <ikonia> destra33: you should be free to join #ubuntu now
[22:03] <destra33> thank u =)
[22:04] <Squideshi> jpds: That worked! Thank you for your assistance. I'm going to have to look further at this Mibbit thing if it helps prevent abuse.
[22:05] <jpds> Squideshi: Generally, we can control the mibbit users but not the Java people. Good luck with your query.
[22:06] <ikonia> destra33: thanks, your free to leave this channel 
[22:32] <Seeker`> hi
[22:33] <ikonia> howdy Seeker` 
[22:35] <Seeker`> how be?
[22:35] <ikonia> fine fine
[22:35] <ikonia> trying to work on some VERY basic electronics so not paying much attention at the moment
[22:38] <Seeker`> what sort of stuff?
[22:44] <ikonia> oooh very tedious
[22:44] <Seeker`> ?
[22:44] <ikonia> basiclly converting something to use 2 led's 
[22:44] <ikonia> rather than one to show a status, but I actually can't figure out how to do it without external power
[22:44] <ikonia> in my head I know how to do it, but I'm arguing with someone that it won't work, (and it may not I'm terrible with electonics)
[22:45] <Seeker`> what is it you are converting?
[22:46] <ikonia> a channel switching pedal for an amplifier
[22:46] <ikonia> are you interested in a look / opinion ?
[22:46] <Seeker`> could try
[22:46] <Seeker`> #i'm not great though
[22:46] <ikonia> I'm poor to be honest, but it's fun
[22:46] <ikonia> http://www.projecthugo.co.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=885
[22:47] <ikonia> thats the device
[22:47] <ikonia> red light comes on / off depending on switch
[22:47] <ikonia> I've replaced the switch with a dpdt switch
[22:47] <ikonia> and added a green LED so that green LED is channel 1, red LED is channel 2
[22:47] <ikonia> the original wiring looks like this
[22:48] <ikonia> http://www.projecthugo.co.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=894
[22:48] <ikonia> I've found someone else who's done this who's wired it like this
[22:48] <ikonia> http://www.projecthugo.co.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=897
[22:48] <ikonia> but as you can see he's powering the LED's from an external source
[22:49] <ikonia> I think (note think) that is I like the middle poles on the switch I can power either LED depending on the switch position
[22:49] <ikonia> he's saying no
[22:50] <Seeker`> hmm
[22:51] <ikonia> s/like the middle poles/link the middle poles
[22:52] <Seeker`> ikonia: #electronics?
[22:52] <ikonia> Seeker`: thought about it
[22:53] <ikonia> I may take it there tommorow
[22:53] <ikonia> it seems a bit basic for the stuff I've seen being discussed
[22:53] <Seeker`> i
[22:53] <Seeker`> ive seen more basic stuff than that in there
[22:53] <ikonia> really, I may wander over there then
[22:53] <ikonia> hate wasting skilled peoples time with basic stuff
[22:54] <Seeker`> like "how do I make a circuit"
[22:54] <Seeker`> if they feel you are wasting their time, they probably wont answer
[22:54] <ikonia> probably true
[23:00] <Myrtti> jussi01: pong
[23:02] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[23:03] <Seeker`> Myrtti: heya
[23:05] <Myrtti> I just had two slices of rye bread, shuffled through my mail and took two valerian pills with a pint of hot cocoa.
[23:05] <Seeker`> valerian?
[23:05] <Myrtti> I wish I'll drop out of conciousness before I realize I'm alone at home
[23:05] <Seeker`> :(
[23:06] <Myrtti> "Valerian, in pharmacology and phytotherapic medicine, is the name of a herb or dietary supplement prepared from roots of the plant, which, after maceration, trituration, dehydration processes, are conveniently packaged, usually into capsules, that may be used for certain effects including sedation and anxiolytic effect."
[23:06] <nickrud> sounds like an analog of a good spirit
[23:08] <Seeker`> Myrtti: sorry that you had to go home :(
[23:09] <Seeker`> Myrtti: did you see the snow here?
[23:09] <Seeker`> just east of cambridge there was a few inches this afternoon - made driving home fun
[23:09] <Myrtti> yeah, saw it coming down when we drove to Stansted in the afternoon
[23:10] <Myrtti> here the scenery looks like everything is covered in whipped cream
[23:10] <Myrtti> minimum of three or four inches of snow
[23:10] <Seeker`> nice
[23:43] <Gary> woo, snow!
[23:48] <Seeker`> Gary: it was a PITA driving along tthe A14
[23:49] <Gary> Seeker`: ooow, I was on the A14 today
[23:49] <Gary> near sudbury
[23:50] <Seeker`> where near sudbury? the A14 pretty much circles the north west quarter of it
[23:50] <Gary> erm, the new road bit, where the speed cameras were
[23:51] <Gary> past ipswich, to bury
[23:51] <Seeker`> I was further west than that
[23:51] <Seeker`> slightly
[23:51] <Gary> I also drive along it to the M1 each week
[23:58] <Myrtti> ok, I'm knackered now.
[23:59] <Myrtti> it is anyway midnight in UK