[00:00] <whatev> so it's not like gnu, which is pronounced ga-new?
[00:01] <blankthemuffin> Mood, I got it to work by syncing with my routers ntp server which syncs with the au ones. :D
[00:01] <Mood> whatev: negatory
[00:01] <blankthemuffin> Must just be a firewall issue, what ports does it use?
[00:02] <Mood> 123
[00:02] <whatev> last question about this, is kubuntu therefore koo-boon-tu?
[00:02] <Mood> whatev: affirmative
[00:02] <whatev> thanks
[00:02] <Mood> yw
[00:03] <Mood> blankthemuffin: you have nmap?
[00:04] <blankthemuffin> Yeah, but I finally got it with an exception. Turns out the firewall doesn't like "Allowed with exceptions" so I switched it over and re-added the appropriate allowed ranges
[00:04] <Mood> ah
[00:06] <blankthemuffin> Thanks, I finally have the right time. :D
[00:09] <thomashartman1> How do I reduce sensitivity on my touchpad? It's REALLY sensitive and twitchy
[00:09] <Mood> thomashartman1: anything in Xfce Settings Manager?
[00:09] <thomashartman1> where's that?
[00:10] <Mood> Applications->Settings Manager (upper left)
[00:10] <thomashartman1> looks like a step in the right direction anyway
[00:11] <thomashartman1> i see something for mouse but not touchpad
[00:11] <Mood> thomashartman1: are you on a laptop? or do you have a wacom tablet?
[00:11] <thomashartman1> laptop
[00:11] <Mood> mouse settings doesn't work?
[00:12] <thomashartman1> motion settings... drag and drop... double click... maybe motion settings?
[00:12] <Mood> try it and see :-)
[00:13] <thomashartman1> i set acceleration and threshhold to lowest possible settings. hard to see if this is immediate improvement.
[00:13] <thomashartman1> generally this is an annoyance when my hand barely glances the touchpad and it like, drag-n-drops a whole paragraph of text between two different apps.... yeah, it's still happening.
[00:14] <thomashartman1> drag and drop threshhold is now set to minimum (was already pretty low)
[00:14] <Mood> thomashartman1: looks like fixing it is somewhat more involved. you need some familiarity with terminal and editing text files
[00:14] <Mood> http://strabes.wordpress.com/2006/11/04/change-touchpad-sensitivity-in-ubuntu/
[00:15] <Mood> that article was done in 2006... not sure if there were upgrades/updates for xubuntu 8.10
[00:15] <thomashartman1> also I just discovered that fn-f8 turns off touchpad. so I guess I could always do that when editing text.
[00:15] <thomashartman1> not TOO inconvenient :)
[00:15] <thomashartman1> works for me.
[00:44] <nikolam> if computer suddelny starts to do raid device resync
[00:44] <nikolam> (linux software raid)
[00:45] <nikolam> and during that it block running apps from working on every few seconds)
[00:45] <nikolam> Would you call it a bug?
[01:27] <durt> anybody know how to open up a file firefox has recieved with a terminal program? As in 'open with this application'?
[01:29] <TheSheep> terminals don't open files
[01:30] <TheSheep> or do you mean the xdg-open command?
[01:36] <durt> no I mean calling 'sh <application>' from firefox when a certain file type is clicked on
[01:37] <durt> I'm just getting 'choose an application' dialog
[01:37] <TheSheep> sh is a shell, not a terminal...
[01:37] <Mood> durt: what kind of file did you download?
[01:37] <durt> .torrent, I wish to start ctorrent
[01:38] <Mood> durt: so you need to find your torrent client and stick it in there
[01:38] <durt> I wish to use ctorrent a cli client
[01:39] <Mood> durt: where is your torrent client? if you have it in "/home/durt/ctorrent/bin/ctorrent" stick that in the firefox open dialog
[01:39] <durt> I have, it runs in background, I wish to open a terminal and have ctorrent run in it
[01:40] <Mood> ahh... well now that's different
[01:40] <durt> sorry for not being clear
[01:40] <Mood> can't you write a sh file with "ctorrent -textonlyflag.whatever" and associate that in the firefox dialog?
[01:41] <durt> ah! I'll try that
[01:41] <durt> thx
[01:41] <Mood> durt: np
[01:45] <TheSheep> durt: xfce4-terminal -x ctorrent ...
[01:46] <Mood> TheSheep: that's smarter than writing a shell...
[01:46] <Mood> maybe even simply "xterm ctorrent ..."
[01:47] <Mood> i meant "xterm -e ctorrent ..."
[01:52] <durt> where do you mean? In firefox? I can't get a line to type that in. (I always thought there was one.
[01:54] <Mood> durt: you're right, the firefox dialog doesn't have a place for arbitrary code... i guess the shell would be the best option
[01:55] <durt> Strange thing is I remember something like 'choose a custom command' from before with a text entry box.
[01:57] <durt> now the next question is what variable name does firefox pass? Or do I not need to worry about that?
[01:58] <Mood> durt: variable name firefox pass? not sure what you mean by that
[01:59] <Mood> durt: you should have all the arguments passed to xterm within the sh script
[02:01] <durt> normally with an associated app firefox would have to call something like 'transmission &a' or $a or something representing the file location which would be something like /tmp/tfile.torrent
[02:01] <Mood> durt: have you tried it?
[02:02] <durt> which?
[02:02] <Mood> durt: without passing the torrent file to xterm
[02:02] <Mood> durt: simply having firefox opening the torrent file should do the trick, no?
[02:03] <durt> still working on it... gotta go through all of ctorrents switches first
[02:04] <durt> start of a shell script is !sh, no?
[02:48] <Stroganoff> durt: #!/bin/bash
[02:49] <kora> Hi, does any1 know a alternative to widget layer, to call and send away screenlets , that doesnt require compiz?
[02:49] <durt> Stroganoff: Thx, got past that, need to know what the command line variables are called, I'm thinking $1,$2,etc.
[02:49] <lc2> screenlets?
[02:50] <lc2> durt: what language?
[02:50] <durt> bash
[02:50] <lc2> durt: yeah, $1 $2 and friends
[02:50] <durt> thx
[02:51] <Stroganoff> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[02:56] <ZombieWill> hi all, I have a problem setting up keyboard setups. seems there's no "keyboard shortcuts" at all in settings. anyone have any ideas?
[02:58] <kora> ZombieWill: keyboard shortcuts are located in: xfce4-settings manager > keyboard > shortcuts, create a new profile and add the ones u need.
[03:04] <ZombieWill> I am in keyboard & mouse - system settings and I receive this error. "Failed to contact KDE global Shortcuts daemon: No such object path /KdedGlobalAccel Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownObject"
[03:06] <ZombieWill> I have set the keyboard shortcut though using your method, kora. Thanks!
[03:07] <lc2> wait so it's solved?
[03:08] <ZombieWill> yes, it is solved.
[03:08] <lc2> oh cool.
[03:09] <domenic> hey i incorrectly installed obmenu and wondring how to uninstall it completely
[03:09] <lc2> sudo apt-get remove obmenu
[03:09] <lc2> i guess
[03:10] <domenic> thanks
[03:11] <domenic> it says i removed it allready and i did apt-get aus=toremove and i think its fixed ty
[03:14] <domenic> anybody else running xubuntu with flux box on acer one?
[03:21] <j1mc> obmenu?  obama has a menu?  that guy is everywhere these days.
[03:21] <lc2> in before political flame war
[03:21] <domenic> lol
[03:21] <domenic> it stands for openboxmenu
[03:21] <domenic> :P
[03:21] <j1mc> domenic: ah, thx
[03:30] <domenic> lol i ruined your fun :P
[03:30] <domenic>  can somebody tell me how to shutdown my computer with a command
[03:31] <j1mc> domenic: sudo halt -p
[03:31] <domenic> okay can i make a script that has a dialog
[03:31] <domenic> like
[03:31] <domenic> with zenity
[03:32] <domenic> eg ive got
[03:32] <domenic> if  zenity --question --title "Really Logout?" --text "Really Logout, This will force close on any open programs!"; then
[03:32] <domenic>         kill -TERM $(xprop -root _BLACKBOX_PID | awk '{print $3}')
[03:32] <domenic> fi
[03:32] <domenic> for logout
[03:41] <domenic> hey
[03:51] <lc2> you probably can yeah
[04:56] <WhyTheSound> So trying xubuntu 9.04, I noticed something -really- annoying happened after a reset upgrade to stay with the alpha series.  Every time I click a menu in xubuntu the bloody thing makes a beep or a bop and I can't find -anyplace- to disable that.  I can't even find a name to search for; something like xubuntu OR xfce sound theme/sound scheme/audio theme etc...
[05:00] <WhyTheSound> How do I disable menu sounds in xubuntu 9.04 ; I've run out of things to search google for as well.
[05:05] <WhyTheSound> CRAP package ubuntu-sounds has the sound files, but everything else crashes without sound files there... NOT RIGHT.
[05:06] <Mood> WhyTheSound: is 9.04 beta?
[05:07] <WhyTheSound> Mood: I don't know what it was, but my laptop wasn't quite working right with 8.10 (the laptop was from early 2008) so I thought I'd try a version of ubuntu with support for newer kernels.
[05:14] <Mood> WhyTheSound: nothing under Settings Manager?
[05:15] <WhyTheSound> Mood: I can't even get in to that now.
[05:15] <WhyTheSound> The menu crashed when I tried removing the package
[05:16] <WhyTheSound> I can open a command line program though, do you mean xfce-setting-show ?
[05:16] <Mood> Aww... was it a custom install?
[05:16] <WhyTheSound> xubuntu 8.10 upgraded to 9.04
[05:17] <Mood> WhyTheSound: yup, xfce-setting-show
[05:17] <Mood> i don't think anything under 8.10 allows you to control menu click sounds
[05:17] <WhyTheSound> Mood: it wasn't in the menu anymore after the last upgrade AND it doesn't have a sound theme anyway.
[05:17] <WhyTheSound> Mood: 9.04 not 8.10 any longer
[05:18] <WhyTheSound> Where does 8.10 let you set that?
[05:18] <Mood> WhyTheSound: yup, I was seeing if there was anything similar in 8.10 so I can help
[05:18] <WhyTheSound> The default used to be NO sounds, which I was happy with.
[05:18] <Mood> yeah i'm not sure if your 9.04 behavior is intended. is it a computer beep coming from the soundcard? or through your speakers?
[05:19] <Mood> if it's coming from your soundcard, it could be a hardware/driver issue
[05:19] <WhyTheSound> No, it's FX sounds
[05:19] <WhyTheSound> Not the 'error beep' but actual sound files
[05:19] <Mood> one f*ed up way would be to locate the sound file and maybe rename it/delete it
[05:19] <WhyTheSound> You know that BS that windows has as an option ...
[05:19] <Mood> yeah
[05:20] <WhyTheSound> Mood: Uninstalling ubuntu-sounds DOES delete it, and the menu then CRASHES
[05:20] <Mood> it's a useless 'feature'
[05:20] <WhyTheSound> Exactly, it slows things down and pisses you off
[05:20] <Mood> MS: "Oh, that? It's not a bug! It's a feature!"
[05:21] <Mood> another really f*ed up way would be to make a null mp3 file with the same name
[05:23] <WhyTheSound> Mood: not an optimal solution
[05:23] <Mood> btw, what was wrong w/ 8.10 on your laptop? just all f*ed up generally?
[05:24] <WhyTheSound> Mood: The suspend/resume stuff
[05:24] <WhyTheSound> I had to press enter like 10 times to get it to do that...
[05:24] <WhyTheSound> Which is better than 9.04 so far; it suspends OK, but fails to resume... possibly nv driver or X's fault.
[05:25] <Mood> it wasn't just taking a while to execute all the way?
[05:25] <WhyTheSound> Mood: No, I could leave it sitting for 30 min and it'd do nothing, press enter at any point and it moves faster
[05:26] <Mood> peculiar
[05:33] <Mood> WhyTheSound: you can always opt for a different distro :-p
[05:33] <Mood> i've had very good success with xubuntu. so far no complaints from me
[05:36] <duryodhan> hi .. my xubuntu install refuses to show me the mounted drives
[05:36] <duryodhan> in the places menu
[05:36] <WhyTheSound> Might be a hal issue... but I just go to a console and type 'mount' when I want that info...
[05:36] <duryodhan> WhyTheSound: yeah .. thats not the problem ..
[05:37] <duryodhan> WhyTheSound: but neither thunar shows it in the sidebar
[05:37] <duryodhan> so I have to navigate to the directory where it is mounted each time
[05:37] <GreedyB> any idea how I can use different network interfaces for certain programs?
[05:38] <GreedyB> I have two ethernet ports but when I use VPN it disables my internet because of a security policy.. am I able to use my other port for internet?
[05:39] <GreedyB> wrong channel sorry
[05:39] <WhyTheSound> GreedyB: the only time I've ever seen anything like that that I can recall would be servers where you instruct it to bind to a specific interface.  Usually your programs will follow whatever the default gateway is.
[05:40] <GreedyB> I'm sure my company wouldnt like it
[05:40] <GreedyB> but I cant stand that it kills my browsing
[05:40] <WhyTheSound> bbs, rebooting (my laptop, which is SSHed in to what I irc from)
[05:41] <WhyTheSound> Sorry, I've only got some vague ideas on how I'd approach it.
[05:41] <GreedyB> no problem man
[05:41] <GreedyB> Its kind of a random thing to ask :)
[06:23] <Mood> excellent comparisons of light, featherweight x managers
[06:23] <Mood> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1016873
[06:42] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, painful question coming up. I have a Broadmcom 4306 Wireless card. I have run the /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install-b43xx_firmware.sh which appears to have worked. However on boot-up in dmesg there is a message saying "ADDRCONF(NETDEF_UP): wlan0: link not ready" and I can't see any wireless networks
[06:43] <RurouniJones> I have googled about for this string but all I get are high-headed mailing list posts to do with another more complicated issue
[06:43] <WhyTheSound> RurouniJones: open a console/terminal, sudo bash; lsmod (see if you can find the module for it, I think it might be bc43/whatever), rmmod that module, modprobe that module.  See if that fixes your problem.
[06:46] <WhyTheSound> Also... RurouniJones I thought that linux-restricted-modules-whatever (usually generic) included the firmware required for the bc43xx wifi stuff
[06:46] <RurouniJones> Roight.
[06:47] <RurouniJones> rmmod / modprobe didn't seem to do it
[06:50] <RurouniJones> http://www.pastie.org/376496 is the dmesg output upon rmmod and modprobe.
[06:51] <RurouniJones> Ah, looks like there is a specific bcm support channel, I shall ask ther
[07:39] <WhyTheSound> RurouniJones: it looks like everything is working, but something is trying to assign the interface an address without it being brought in to an enabled state.  Do you happen to have the 'radio' disabled?
[07:52] <WhyTheSound> RurouniJones: I should note, you may have to have the module probed in order to turn on/off the radio with a hotkey.
[08:22] <RurouniJones> WhyTheSound: I do have a radio hotkey but it doesn't work, as in it doesn't appear to kill/unkill the radio. The "radio active" light stays on. However when I modprobe I see the radio light flick off and on again
[08:24] <RurouniJones> Clarification, the light goes off when I rmmod and then comes on again when I modprobe
[08:34] <WhyTheSound> RurouniJones: My radio indicator light won't turn on/off in linux; HOWEVER the hotkey still actually enables/disables the hardware.  It seems the windows driver just does something extra to turn the light on/off.
[08:35] <WhyTheSound> Incidently, for me, it seems that by the time linux has decent native drivers for built in laptop radios, that laptop is dead for one reason or another.
[08:35] <RurouniJones> I looked at the B43 FAQ, looks like you need to recopmile the kernel to enable the kardware key
[08:36] <RurouniJones> I also tried rmmod / morprobe with the key pressed each way, no dice
[08:38] <RurouniJones> I will see what the bcm peeps say when they wake up, thanks for the help, off to do stuff :/
[08:44] <caspix> hi
[08:45] <caspix> i've just downloaded and installed openoffice.org 3...before that i had version 2.4 ... now, when also v 3 is installed, i don't know where is it and from where i can enter new programs.... in menu are only 2.4 version programs
[08:48] <caspix> so, any idea where i could find them?
[08:54] <quincunx55555> hello
[08:54] <quincunx55555> hello?
[08:56] <WhyTheSound> Don't say that, say your problem.
[08:59] <atgarsis> hello
[09:00] <quincunx55555> lol
[09:00] <quincunx55555> well, I'm trying to figure out how to use approx
[09:01] <quincunx55555> not exactly Xubuntu specific; just not sure how to set it up; the docs are fuzzy on details
[09:01] <quincunx55555> anyone here use approx, or the other programs like it?
[09:02] <atgarsis> how can one completely remove the totem movie player?
[09:05] <quincunx55555> synaptic won't do it?
[09:06] <atgarsis> i don't know how to do it on synaptic...
[09:07] <quincunx55555> I would open synaptic, click the search button, type "totem", then scroll through looking for all totem-related results that have a green square...
[09:08] <atgarsis> and then untag the green ones?
[09:08] <quincunx55555> yea, set them to "complete remove" or ﻿"remove"
[09:08] <quincunx55555> then apply
[09:12] <atgarsis> thank you!
[09:32] <WhyTheSound> I have no idea what approx is.
[09:32] <WhyTheSound> appros is different, it just string searches manual pages
[11:35] <amonxz> hello
[11:36] <amonxz> need some help with gui instalation of xfce
[11:36] <Stroganoff> so?
[11:37] <amonxz> im gonna send the log
[11:37] <amonxz> so u can see whats happening
[11:38] <SiDi> damn it takes so long to register stuff in xfce-look.org T.T
[11:38] <WhyTheSound> O.o how could you need help installing xfce, it's part of xubuntu.
[11:39] <amonxz> i dont use xubuntu
[11:39] <amonxz> im running ubuntu 8.10
[11:39] <amonxz> whith gnome
[11:40] <SiDi> install xubuntu-desktop from synaptics package manager
[11:40] <SiDi> then go back to login screen, click "session", choose xfce, and login
[11:40] <WhyTheSound> SiDi: does xubuntu-desktop conflict with ubuntu-desktop?
[11:41] <SiDi> no
[11:41] <SiDi> i got both installed here
[11:41] <SiDi> but i'm only using xubuntu  <3
[11:41] <WhyTheSound> Guess not
[11:41] <WhyTheSound> Yeah, I just tried it my self
[11:42] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: you might note the other possible sessions to try
[11:42] <amonxz> noo
[11:42] <amonxz> i dont need a desktop
[11:42] <amonxz> i need a gui
[11:42] <amonxz> i mean i dont want xubuntu desktop i want xfce real
[11:42] <amonxz> whythesound im gonna show you the log error
[11:42] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: xubuntu-desktop will pull in everything you need to have to use xfce with ubuntu.
[11:43] <amonxz> but still gnome
[11:43] <amonxz> and i dont want an emuler
[11:43] <WhyTheSound> ... it's not an emulator
[11:43] <SiDi> amonxz: you'll have the whole xubuntu thing installed, but unless you CHOOSE to boot on xfce you'll boot on gnome as usual
[11:43] <WhyTheSound> It's a different window-manager, and possibly display program.
[11:44] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: right, what SiDi said; you'll then have ubuntu AND xubuntu; changing your session setting at the login screen will determine which version of your desktop you load on login.
[11:44] <SiDi> Does anyone have the *** GPG key for the XFCE4.6 launchpad PPA ? I don't have port 11173 opened and i cant get the PGP key, thus cant update to XFCE 4.6 and this sucks a lot T_T
[11:44] <knome> !purexfce | amonxz
[11:46] <amonxz> but um using nome
[11:46] <amonxz> gnome
[11:46] <amonxz> i mean how i can get backto something i wasnt
[11:46] <Stroganoff> o.O
[11:46] <amonxz> im using ubuntu and im trying to install xfce
[11:47] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: Then just make sure your package manager has both ubuntu-desktop AND xubuntu-desktop installed.  THEN logout.  On the login screen change your setting to the choice that reflects the desktop you want to use.  Login again.  It's now that desktop.
[11:47] <Stroganoff> do it
[11:47] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: What I just explained is HOW you do that.
[11:47] <WhyTheSound> It's like the 4th time it's said, only a little differently each time.
[11:47] <amonxz> oh man...
[11:48] <amonxz> u dont understand me let me finish my posting and youll se
[11:48] <amonxz> http://pastebin.com/m19a77b3d
[11:48] <WhyTheSound> The session setting that is... I can't logout and look at it without killike like 70 firefox tabs
[11:49] <WhyTheSound> amonxy: why are you trying to compile xfce?
[11:50] <amonxz> cuz i want to use it
[11:50] <amonxz> ¬¬
[11:50] <SiDi> "sudo apt-get install xfce" is SLIGHTLY more simple than manual compiling... T.T
[11:50] <amonxz> http://www.ubuntu.org.uy/main/?q=node/262
[11:51] <amonxz> noo
[11:51] <amonxz> it doesnt work
[11:51] <SiDi>  bleh, yes it works
[11:51] <amonxz> norman@norman-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install xfce
[11:51] <amonxz> [sudo] password for norman:
[11:51] <amonxz> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[11:51] <amonxz> Creando árbol de dependencias
[11:51] <amonxz> Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
[11:51] <amonxz> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete xfce
[11:51] <amonxz> not for me
[11:51] <SiDi> xfce4
[11:51] <SiDi> sorry ;P
[11:51] <amonxz> lets see
[11:51] <amonxz> ok
[11:52] <Stroganoff> drama
[11:52] <amonxz> sais is installed
[11:52] <SiDi> xfce4 installs whole xfce with the very needed apps. Xubuntu-desktop also installs a few lightweight apps and artwork that'll fit good with xfce, but it will NOT override your gnome session or settings.
[11:53] <amonxz> well ill be back gonna try to log in
[11:53] <SiDi> amonxz: can you please mail ubuntulog Uruguay and tell them that users should install xubuntu-desktop or xfce4 instead of manually compiling, please ?
[11:53] <SiDi> or not...
[11:53] <SiDi> You're welcome, amonxz... T.T''
[11:54] <SiDi> 'amonxz : well i'll be back' <- me didn't notice this, w/e :P
[11:54] <WhyTheSound> Who wanted that key...
[11:54] <WhyTheSound> SiDi: what's the link to whatever page
[11:55] <SiDi> Meh wants the GPG key, sec
[11:55] <amonxz> dindnt work
[11:55] <amonxz> ill have to download xubuntu and install it
[11:56] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: there is -no- way you could have installed xfce4 that quickly; at least not everything... I think.
[11:56] <amonxz> yeah i think the same
[11:56] <SiDi> whatev i think i found it :X
[11:56] <amonxz> ill download xubuntu
[11:56] <WhyTheSound> Yeah, there should be an HTTP key file you can dl and install that way.
[11:56] <Stroganoff> amonxz: please run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" and post the console output
[11:56] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: Can you do this for me?
[11:56] <Stroganoff> you DONT have to download the xubuntu ISO
[11:57] <WhyTheSound> sudo aptitude
[11:57] <SiDi> WhyTheSound: yeh i found it in the repo, actually i dont need to connect tothis damn keyserver
[11:57] <amonxz> ok ill do it
[11:57] <WhyTheSound> Inside of that aptitude press / it'll open a search box
[11:57] <WhyTheSound> type in 'xubuntu-desktop'
[11:57] <WhyTheSound> press enter (btw, no '' around it)
[11:58] <WhyTheSound> that will take you to the package xubuntu-desktop, press +
[11:58] <WhyTheSound> press g
[11:58] <gusnan> amonxz, It isn't as easy that you have got it installed, and fail to select it in gdm?
[11:58] <WhyTheSound> gusnan: ... it really could be.  it's what we've said all along.
[11:58] <gusnan> :)
[11:59] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: doing the above will save everyone a lot of time and bandwidth.
[11:59] <amonxz> i did it
[12:00] <amonxz> so now what
[12:00] <SiDi> Damn importing key won't work :(
[12:01] <amonxz> whythesound so enter?
[12:02] <Stroganoff> amonxz: logout. when you are in the login screen, click on "options" in the bottom left of the screen. then select "select session" and choose xfce.
[12:02] <amonxz> i did it
[12:02] <amonxz> but is gnome looking like xfce
[12:03] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: enter taking you to xubuntu-desktop jumps to that point in the list.  + on it sets it to 'install' (it'll have an i on the left) 'g' tells it to execute the selected actions, and it'll have it get and install the packages you wanted.
[12:03] <WhyTheSound> When that's done, you just logout, and then change the session before logging in to the xfce desktop.
[12:04] <amonxz> ok
[12:04] <WhyTheSound> What exactly do you mean by 'xfce' then?  It should look and feel different than the usual gnome stuff.
[12:04] <WhyTheSound> Not much, but a little.
[12:04] <amonxz> but would it be xfce or gnome looking like xfce?
[12:04] <WhyTheSound> I don't know what the later looks like.
[12:05] <WhyTheSound> Ok, you can tell it's actually XFCE if you open the menu and see 'About XFCE' as an entry.
[12:05] <amonxz> yeah
[12:06] <WhyTheSound> If you see it, then you're already in XFCE
[12:06] <WhyTheSound> If it doesn't look like you want, try changing the settings and dragging stuff around until you like it or get bored.
[12:06] <amonxz> i see it
[12:07] <WhyTheSound> Then yes, that is 'XFCE'
[12:07] <amonxz> but i can also see on sistem monitor that um using gnome
[12:07] <mchelen> hi, in my Add/Remove applications, everything is blank (it has worked fine in the past)
[12:08] <WhyTheSound>  4847 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login
[12:08] <WhyTheSound>  4989 ?        Ss     0:00 gnome-power-manager
[12:08] <WhyTheSound> That's all I see when I ps -axf | grep gnome
[12:08] <WhyTheSound> maybe you should ps -axf | less and search it for gnome?  You might still be logged in to your gnome desktop as well.
[12:09] <Stroganoff> amonxz: screenshot plz
[12:09] <SiDi> amonxz: system monitor lies, don't worry.
[12:09] <amonxz> ok
[12:09] <amonxz> sidi xD
[12:09] <SiDi> :D
[12:09] <SiDi> mine too says i'm under gnome ...
[12:10] <amonxz> uploading screenhot
[12:10] <amonxz> screenshot*
[12:11] <WhyTheSound> SiDi: how exactly do you see that?
[12:11] <amonxz> http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazouq0.png
[12:11] <SiDi> Open gnome-system-monitor
[12:12] <SiDi> on first tab it displays the version, it says i use gnome 2.24 here
[12:12] <SiDi> hey btw http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Elegant+Brit+Extra+Buttons?content=98630 what do you think of this xfwm ? :P
[12:12] <WhyTheSound> amonxz: under processes scroll way down, see all the xfce4 stuff?
[12:12] <amonxz> no
[12:13] <SiDi> he is under xfce :)
[12:14] <SiDi> now you can download the xfwm theme above, with the gtk theme that goes with it, and it'll be sexy XD
[12:14] <amonxz> well if i am under xfce im gonna try to install a theme
[12:15] <SiDi> hehe it's not the same as under gnome :P you need to manually put the themes in .themes T.T'
[12:15] <amonxz> xD
[12:16] <amonxz> really?
[12:17] <SiDi> yeh.
[12:17] <SiDi> or i'm a total noob and didn't notice something XD
[12:17] <amonxz> jj
[12:17] <amonxz> haha
[12:18] <amonxz> well after all i guess im on xfce
[12:18] <amonxz> xD
[12:18] <amonxz> ill see how to theme now
[12:20] <SiDi> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=98638 !
[12:20] <amonxz> thanks :)
[12:21] <SiDi> That's just some icons i just released
[12:21] <amonxz> i dont have awn installed yet
[12:21] <amonxz> xD
[12:21] <SiDi>  http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Elegant+Brit+Extra+Buttons?content=98630 this is a theme for the Window manager, and there's a link to a very popular GTK theme (xfce uses gtk themes just like gnome, but xfwm themes instead of metacity for the windows)
[12:22] <SiDi> Me neither
[12:22] <SiDi> i use these with a panel on the left, and i make launchers ;)
[12:22] <amonxz> i see :)
[12:22] <SiDi> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Dusty+mod?content=97752 see this one too ;P
[12:22] <SiDi> An xfwm for Dust
[12:22] <SiDi> Axiom is great too
[12:23] <amonxz> ill try one
[12:24] <SiDi> If you use Dusty, take the Dust Burnt gtk theme with it, it pawns
[12:25] <amonxz> i dont even know how to change a wallpaper here xD
[12:26] <mchelen> hi, in my Add/Remove applications, everything is blank (it has worked fine in the past)
[12:26] <domenic> what is the default shutdown command?
[12:27] <SiDi> i'm leaving, gonna die of hunger either
[12:27] <SiDi> see you later peeps
[12:27] <domenic> kk
[12:28] <domenic> what is the command to shutdown?
[12:28] <SiDi> @domenic try shutdown now
[12:28] <SiDi> poweroff now *
[12:28] <SiDi> or shutdown -f
[12:28] <kahrn> I tend to use shutdown -hP now
[12:28] <domenic> hP?
[12:28] <kahrn> I can't even remember
[12:28] <domenic> or just -h
[12:28] <domenic> lol
[12:28] <domenic> dont try it :P
[12:29] <domenic> ill try shutdown -f
[12:29] <domenic> hang on
[12:29] <kahrn> h implies halt, P means poweroff according to shutdown --help
[12:29] <navarro> morning some. hello all. i am looking for a channel list
[12:29] <domenic> yeah i know
[12:30] <kahrn> navarro, /list ?
[12:30] <domenic> im trying to make a script that displays a nice window with zenity but the script is not working
[12:30] <navarro> thanks
[12:38] <domenic> cant get power0ff -p to work in my script, when i type it into terminal it requires root so how do i run a script as root w/o password needing to be entered?
[12:41] <mchelen> hi, in my Add/Remove applications, everything is blank (it has worked fine in the past)
[13:02] <GINZ> Hi I am trying to work in terminal of Xubuntu
[13:03] <GINZ> it opens to the G directory which is one of the directories on the level of Desktop, File System, Etc
[13:03] <GINZ> I have a removable disk connected and it is in that level too
[13:03] <GINZ>  How do I get to see it in the terminal please
[13:21] <esp1> how can i get the computer to boot into runlevel 3? "sudo echo id:3:initdefault: > /etc/inittab" dont seem to work for me.
[13:47] <DaemonXP> esp1 sudo init 3 should do it
[13:47] <WhyTheSound> DaemonXP: that's one time
[13:48] <WhyTheSound> what's the gui sudo edit?
[13:49] <knome> gksudo mousepad?
[13:50] <DaemonXP> depends
[13:50] <DaemonXP> if you're stuck at a terminal, you can use vim or nano as your editor
[13:52] <WhyTheSound> Ah, I always just have a sudo bash shell open when I want to do tasks as root
[13:52] <WhyTheSound> Generaly when I do root I'll want to do several things
[13:57] <esp1> thanx
[14:54] <LukaszJ> Hello there
[14:55] <LukaszJ> I wonder if there's any IRC client created for XFCE? Apart of those GNOME and KDE made.
[14:59] <knome> LukaszJ, no irc client is made especially for any desktop environment.
[15:00] <LukaszJ> knome: Yeah, know what you're talking about, especially, those text-based ;)
[15:00] <knome> LukaszJ, i think the most important thing is that is it made with qt (best with kde) or gtk (best with gnome and xfce)
[15:03] <LukaszJ> knome: Well, just as we're on this: Does installing a GTK-based app in XFCE4 implies fulling your OS with a lot of libraries/packages?
[15:04] <knome> LukaszJ, depends on the application and it's features
[15:05] <knome> LukaszJ, but not really.
[15:05] <knome> LukaszJ, not more than in gnome, usually, if the app is not part of gnome
[15:05] <LukaszJ> knome: Let's take anything used normally on GNOME.
[15:06] <knome> LukaszJ, but even ubuntu (with gnome) uses many apps that are not gnome apps
[15:06] <knome> LukaszJ, so ubuntu > plain gnome
[15:06] <knome> LukaszJ, but xubuntu >>> plain xfce, because xfce is realyl slim
[15:08] <LukaszJ> knome: I see, so installing GTK on XFCE isn't the same as installing KDE apps on GNOME env, which as we both know means tons of different libaries to run just one app.
[15:09] <knome> LukaszJ, you're right.
[15:09] <knome> LukaszJ, because xfce is based on gtk also
[15:10] <LukaszJ> knome: That's a news to me :)
[15:10] <knome> LukaszJ, in oss, you always learn something new every day
[15:10] <LukaszJ> knome: True..
[15:12] <LukaszJ> knome: I've been struggling hard to make my webcam work, it uses UVC and is recognized by the driver but Ekiga just ignore it and Skype goes in crash when plugged in :/
[15:13] <knome> LukaszJ, i have very little experience troubleshooting webcams
[15:13] <LukaszJ> knome: Sorry if that's an off-topic. I just wish there were more OSS app featuring video streaming.
[15:14] <knome> LukaszJ, well it'sn not off-topic, i just don't know much about it :)
[15:14] <knome> -n
[15:15] <knome> LukaszJ, have you search ubuntuforums.org?
[15:15] <LukaszJ> knome: What's "-n" ?
[15:16] <knome> LukaszJ, it'sn -n = it's ;)
[15:16] <LukaszJ> knome: Yeah, I've been doing different things to make it work, I stiil am, actually. The problem coming up here is that's not a brand new model, not it's popular/widely -used, so pretty little feedback on using it.
[15:17] <LukaszJ> knome: I'm scanning my Xorg.log now, to see if there are any errors.
[15:18] <knome> LukaszJ, yeah. i had absolutely no information on my phone and connecting to internet with it with linux.
[15:19] <LukaszJ> knome: Have you managed at all?
[15:19] <knome> LukaszJ, yeah, i finally got connected with bluetooth pan
[15:20] <LukaszJ> knome: Much pain ? ;)
[15:20] <knome> LukaszJ, the phone was hacked (it runs windows mobile) not to work with non-windows machines with basic dial-up networking
[15:20]  * LukaszJ loves Linux
[15:21] <LukaszJ> knome: Who by?
[15:21] <knome> LukaszJ, yes, before i noted that i won't get DUN working any way and tried pan
[15:21] <knome> LukaszJ, microsoft.
[15:21] <knome> LukaszJ, it read on their website
[15:21] <LukaszJ> knome: Just as I thought
[15:21] <knome> LukaszJ, that DUN is disabled by default
[15:21] <LukaszJ> knome: Did you find a workaround?
[15:21] <knome> LukaszJ, but it worked with windows vista on the first try.
[15:22] <knome> LukaszJ, yes, bluetooth PAN, which is actually older and better protocol.
[15:22] <knome> LukaszJ, but that didn't come to my mind at first.
[15:22] <LukaszJ> knome: What exactly did you want to achieve with it, just plugg it as a storage device?
[15:22] <knome> LukaszJ, now it works ok apart from the phone disconnecting once in a while
[15:22] <knome> LukaszJ, use the internet in the phone for my computer
[15:23] <knome> LukaszJ, atm i still don't have broadband in my new apartment. i'm ircing through that phone now.
[15:23] <LukaszJ> knome: Connect it through bluetooth to your machine and surf?
[15:23] <knome> LukaszJ, yes.
[15:24] <LukaszJ> knome: Hmm, just wonder how much is that service at yours...
[15:24] <knome> LukaszJ, 10e/month, 384kb/s
[15:25] <LukaszJ> knome: By "E" you mean Euro?
[15:25] <LukaszJ> knome: Who's provides you that?
[15:26] <knome> LukaszJ, yes, euro. saunalahti
[15:26] <knome> LukaszJ, in finland.
[15:27] <LukaszJ> knome: I've heard broadbands are pretty cheap in Finland, would you agree?
[15:29] <knome> LukaszJ, non-mobile broadbands start from about 25e/month (1M/1M)
[15:29] <knome> LukaszJ, saunalahti has that for 23,90
[15:29] <knome> LukaszJ, but there is cheaper ones
[15:30] <LukaszJ> How quick is one for 25 e?
[15:30] <knome> LukaszJ, 1M/1M
[15:30] <knome> (M=meg)
[15:31] <knome> ...abytr
[15:31] <LukaszJ> The slowest one is 1M than?
[15:31] <knome> r=e
[15:31] <knome> LukaszJ, no, they have slower, but i don't know about their prices.
[15:31] <knome> LukaszJ, maybe something from 10-15 is the cheapest
[15:31] <LukaszJ> It's not ADSL is it?
[15:32] <knome> it is.
[15:32] <knome> 128 or 256kb/s
[15:32] <knome> i think.
[15:32] <LukaszJ> knome: BTW, Do you know a quick way to find out what Graphic Driver is Xorg using?
[15:33] <knome> LukaszJ, reading /etc/X11/xorg.conf is one way
[15:33] <LukaszJ> knome: My log looks rather fine. What i see is Xorg loading "ati" driver along with "radeon", which is a bit weird.
[15:33] <knome> !graphics
[15:34] <knome> !xorg
[15:34] <LukaszJ> knome: Thanks , i'll have a look.
[15:34] <knome> LukaszJ, no idea. maybe check your xorg.conf
[15:34] <knome> LukaszJ, you can also ask #ubuntu, because this is not xubuntu specific issue
[15:34] <knome> i have to go now.
[15:34] <knome> see you later.
[15:35] <LukaszJ> knome: You know that the most recetns xorg confs doesn't show that up. one way is to check the Xorg.0 log, but it will show all the modules it boots up with I'd need the one used currently though.
[15:35] <LukaszJ> knome: Bye,thanks for chating.
[15:45] <mchelen> hi, in my Add/Remove applications, everything is blank (it has worked fine in the past)
[15:46] <WhyTheSound> mchelen: can you try having it update the available packages, next is close and re-open it (it might do the trick), finally is checking either the configs of via another package tool.
[15:47] <WhyTheSound> In any event, my ubuntu laptop is now offline and put away, so since I'm on my gentoo system right now I won't be of much help.
[16:06] <chi_> hi boys, i need some help finding something like "system => settings => audio"  you know?  to set what the  system should do with my audio hardware <=> software??? pls help fast...
[16:08] <jarnos> chi_: There is only Sound in the settings manager.
[16:09] <jarnos> chi_: and of course a selection of audio mixers.
[16:10] <chi_> jarnos,  but these audio-mixer and the sound in setting manager seem to do all the same work, right?
[16:19] <forces> saluton
[16:24] <jarnos> chi_: no. Sound is just preferences for xfce4-mixer.
[16:26] <jarnos> chi_: You may be able to launch xfce4-mixer (or any other program) by Volume Control panel item.
[16:27] <jarnos> chi_: but maybe you did not mean that kind of settings?
[16:37] <chi_> jarnos, i had skype in kububuntu(8.04) and switched to xubuntu(8.10) (clean install) installing skype is tricky... and i cant get my microphone to skype, BUt i can hear my voice from the microphone ... so somewhere the information is not channeled correctly... (as i see it)
[16:38] <jarnos> chi_: You can select audio device in Skype options.
[16:39] <chi_> jarnos, i know, but none of them work, even if i allow skype to handle volume settings...
[16:40] <chi_> now i try "skype-static-oss"
[16:40] <jarnos> chi_: Actually I had same problem, but when I tried later again, it worked.
[16:41] <jarnos> chi_: and I did not have to switch to skype-static.
[16:42] <chi_> well at least the oss version shows different devices ...
[16:59] <rocko> Is this bad http://pastebin.ca/raw/1324591
[16:59] <rocko> I think I am going to go back to debian
[16:59] <rocko> ubuntu is just way to buggy
[17:00] <SiDi> bah
[17:03] <rocko> why is it that I keep on getting the update manager to keep coming up even after it install the updates
[17:03] <rocko> when I restart it asks to install the same shit
[17:03] <lc2> bugs?
[17:03] <lc2> in my ubuntu?
[17:03] <rocko> yes bugs
[17:03] <rocko> you do not know what bugs are
[17:04] <SiDi> lol
[17:04] <lc2> rocko: i've never heard of anything like that happening
[17:04] <lc2> the update manager thing, not the bugs in ubuntu thing
[17:05] <rocko> I see
[17:05] <rocko> it has happen to me a lot
[17:05] <rocko> the last time I installed
[17:05] <rocko> debian has never done that too me
[17:05] <SiDi> there's something hardcoded in ubuntu to prevent debian users from using it, that's why u get bugs </ironical>
[17:06] <lc2> rocko: what version of ubuntu?
[17:06] <rocko> latest version
[17:06] <rocko> 8.10
[17:07] <j1mc> rocko: what flavor?  xubuntu i386?  amd64?  ppc?
[17:07] <rocko> xubuntu i386
[17:07] <rocko> I though they stopped making ppc
[17:07] <knome> ppc is not officially supported
[17:07] <j1mc> it's still a port - not supported
[17:08] <knome> hi j1mc :)
[17:08] <rocko> I se
[17:08] <lc2> did i hear an echo?
[17:08] <rocko> well for ppc I use debian
[17:08] <rocko> most of the stuff I have to compile
[17:08] <rocko> of the applications that I wanted to use
[17:08] <rocko> and desktop environments
[17:09] <rocko> they where lightweight desktop environments so it was easy to compile since it does not have many dependencies
[17:10] <rocko> I have one laptop that is x86, another laptop that is ppc and an old imac g3 that is also ppc
[17:10] <rocko> thinking about upgrading my old mac g3
[17:11] <rocko> to a 1ghz processor
[17:11] <rocko> getting rid of the crt screen
[17:11] <rocko> takes to much power
[17:11] <j1mc> rocko: your xubuntu install - is it a vanilla install
[17:11] <rocko> what do you mean by that ?
[17:11] <rocko> like a fresh install ?
[17:12] <rocko> no it is not a fresh install
[17:12] <j1mc> kinda . . . like have you compiled a lot of your own stuff?
[17:12] <rocko> I did not install it so long ago
[17:12] <j1mc> ok
[17:12] <rocko> but I have install a lot of stuff though
[17:12] <j1mc> sure
[17:12] <rocko> yes I have compile stuff but I did it in a fashion that should not cause problems
[17:12] <j1mc> well, feel free to report what you are experiencing as a bug
[17:12] <rocko> I did it the debian way
[17:12] <j1mc> understood
[17:12] <rocko> through apt-get
[17:13] <rocko> apt-get build-dep nameofpackage then apt-get -b source nameofpackage
[17:13] <rocko> dpkg -i nameofpackage.deb
[17:13] <rocko> I had to do that to zsnes
[17:13] <rocko> because it would crash on startup
[17:13] <j1mc> please report what you are experiencing as a bug, and bug triagers could take it from there
[17:14] <rocko> right after I compiled it zsnes worked :D
[17:17] <rocko> how do I know that it is really a bug j1mc ?
[17:17] <lc2> rocko: if it doesn't work, then it's a bug
[17:17] <lc2> by definition
[17:18] <rocko> what other information should I give besides the output of the application ? for bug reporting ?
[17:18] <lc2> rocko: you are talking about the update manager, yeah?
[17:18] <rocko> I would assume the arch I am using version of xubuntu ...etc
[17:18] <rocko> yes
[17:18] <lc2> rocko: yeah the arch, the FS you're using, partitions, etc etc
[17:19] <rocko> fs = filesystem
[17:19] <lc2> yessir, sorry
[17:19] <rocko> I am using the normal filesystem
[17:19] <rocko> ext3
[17:19] <lc2> rocko: details of your filesystem layout might be useful
[17:19] <LukaszJ> Hey there
[17:19] <lc2> hi LukaszJ
[17:20] <lc2> rocko: as in, what partitions you have mounted where, etc
[17:20] <rocko> I do the partitioning manually because I have had not a really good experience with the auto partitioner
[17:20] <lc2> rocko: ah
[17:20] <LukaszJ> I'm looking for any equivalnet package to "gnome-media" on xubuntu, need to check "gstreamer-properties"
[17:20] <lc2> LukaszJ: use gnome-media
[17:20] <lc2> i doubt there's an equivalent package that is not gnome-media
[17:21] <LukaszJ> lc2: Won't it grab a whole bunch of useless libraries to my OS?
[17:21] <SiDi> you can use xfmedia for reading vids... but well, totem's better imho
[17:21] <lc2> LukaszJ: yes, but you more than likely have most of those installed anyway
[17:21] <chi_> if i uncheck the MICROPHONE BOX in the XFCE-MIXER i lose all the sound? ?? ?
[17:21] <LukaszJ> lc2: Well, no risk of any "infection" then ;) ?
[17:22] <lc2> LukaszJ: no
[17:22] <LukaszJ> lc2: Great, thanks.
[17:22] <lc2> chi_: lol wut?
[17:22] <lc2> chi_: try using a different mixer, imo the xfce mixer is made of fail
[17:22] <LukaszJ> lc2: You're right, it's pretty small.
[17:23] <lc2> chi_: also, go to a terminal and try alsamixer
[17:23] <chi_> lc2,  well can i completely disable the xfce mixer?
[17:23] <lc2> chi_: yes, by not using it
[17:24] <lc2> chi_: there is no "xfce mixer" running in the background, if you're not using it then it's not doing anything, just like any other program
[17:25] <lc2> chi_: since the time a week and a bit ago that i spent hours trying to debug sound not working and found out that it was because the xfce mixer had no "mute" indication, i stopped using it altogether
[17:26] <chi_> well there is a process called xfce-mixer... i killed it... let me see whats going on here... need some seconds
[17:27] <lc2> chi_: oh, that might just be the volume control applet, which isn't the same thing
[17:29] <chi_> yeah, i dont get the difference at all, because WELL its like magic ... the volume controls can enable sound-card properties... so its hard to find a difference in audio-control-panal and volume-control-panel
[17:30] <lc2> well right click on your volume control applet, go to properties, change "When clicked" to something that is not made of fail
[17:30] <lc2> i use kmix, as great as my distaste for KDE is
[17:30] <chi_> ubuntu 8.10 should run with pulse i read... but if i killall pulseaudio i still have sound (?)  and aptitude indicated that there is no such thing as pulseaudio installed .... thats a hell of confusion
[17:30] <lc2> chi_: haha wut
[17:31] <chi_> lc2,  i removed that icon for volume control, just to be sure...
[17:31] <lc2> chi_: interesting
[17:31] <lc2> when i sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[17:31] <lc2> it says it isn't installed here, either
[17:31] <lc2> so maybe xubuntu doesn't use pulseaudio
[17:31]  * lc2 shrugdances
[17:31] <chi_> yeah maybe xubuntu is not useing pulse for better performance?
[17:32] <lc2> chi_: yeah it might just use alsa directly
[17:34] <lc2> ps aux | grep pulse
[17:34] <lc2> shows nothing
[17:35] <lc2> i always just assumed that xubuntu used pulseaudio
[17:35] <lc2> but apparently not
[17:35] <lc2> the moar you know!1
[17:35] <lc2> brb gotta take my dog's food off the heat
[17:35] <lc2> (i cook for my dog ;/)
[17:35] <chi_> hf
[17:39] <SiDi> lc2: don't you wanna cook for me instead ? :( i'm hungry :(
[17:39] <lc2> SiDi: hey you can have some of my dog's meat if you like
[17:39] <SiDi> rawr
[17:39] <lc2> as in, the meat i cook for my dog, not meat from my dog, yknow ;/
[17:40] <SiDi> i wouldn't eat dog honnestly :P
[17:40] <SiDi> What did you cook for your doggies ?
[17:41] <lc2> i cook a kilo of meat for him every day
[17:41] <rocko> lc2 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1011078
[17:41] <lc2> he doesn't like normal dog food
[17:41] <rocko> I just made me some breakfest this morning it was good :D
[17:42] <rocko> bacon and french toast
[17:42] <lc2> rocko: mm bacon
[17:43] <rocko> should I file bugs that I fixed ? lc2
[17:43] <rocko> like with zsnes ?
[17:43] <rocko> cause I did a recompile and it works now
[17:43] <rocko> before it would crash on startup
[17:43] <lc2> rocko: did you fix it by patching the code?
[17:44] <SiDi> what is french toast ? Oo
[17:45] <lc2> SiDi: bread that surrenders and cooks itself when you try to put it into the toaster
[17:45] <lc2> sorry, couldn't resist
[17:45] <rocko> lc2 no lc2
[17:45] <rocko> I just did a recompile and it work after that
[17:46] <lc2> rocko: hm
[17:46] <rocko> I did it the debian way with getting the source from apt-get and using dpkg to install the package
[17:46] <SiDi> i wikipedia'd. in fact i'm french, so we don't called it "french" toast, so i was wondering what it was ;P
[17:46] <lc2> SiDi: haha sorry!
[17:46] <rocko> you are SiDi
[17:46] <rocko> well bonjour
[17:47] <lc2> rocko: well if you installed a ubuntu package which didn't work, and compiling it yourself worked, then yes, you should submit a bug, detailing your GCC version, your processor, etc etc
[17:47] <SiDi> bonjour to u too :)
[17:47] <rocko> ok lc2
[17:49] <lc2> so does anyone know how i can get the smell of EP90 from my clothes?
[17:50] <lc2> i accidentally washed my clothes with a cloth that had been soaked with EP90, and now everything from that wash smells of EP90
[17:50] <lc2> (transmission fluid)
[17:50] <lc2> (not exactly xubuntu related, but nobody else has any ideas)
[17:51] <SiDi> hm, i assume javel would remove the smell (but also the colors of the clothes incidentally)
[17:51] <SiDi> try marseille soap :P if you can find some !
[17:51] <SiDi> or ask the dog to pee on it.. won't smell EP90 anymore, promised
[17:52] <lc2> haha.
[17:52] <lc2> never heard of javel?
[17:53] <lc2> i'll look it up
[17:54] <rocko> why do they call it french toast any ways ?
[17:54] <rocko> SiDi we also call fries
[17:54] <SiDi> lc2 dont
[17:54] <rocko> french fries
[17:54] <SiDi> lc2: it REALLY removes the colours
[17:54] <lc2> haha oh
[17:54] <SiDi> rocko: no idea, actually fries are massively eaten by belgians, not french
[17:55] <SiDi> french toasts, i eat those like once per 3/4 months
[17:55] <lc2> well i'd rather have clothes without colours than clothes that smell of EP90
[17:55] <SiDi> that's the same as french breakfasts and frog legs, noone eats that actually :d
[17:55] <SiDi> lc2: just wash it several times, put it in water with some soap, dunno :p
[17:55] <SiDi> it wont stay forever
[17:55] <SiDi> colours don't come back tho :D
[17:56] <rocko> SiDi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fried_potatoes
[17:56] <lc2> i've washed the same load twice
[17:56] <lc2> twice, since i got the EP90 smell :/
[17:57] <rocko> would this cause any thing bad to happen I enter it in by accident "grep http* mozilla.txt | rm http*"
[17:57] <SiDi> i don't know about regexp
[17:57] <lc2> rocko: it'll do pretty much nothing
[17:57] <rocko> ok cool
[17:57] <lc2> unless you have files matching "http*" in your current working directory
[17:57] <lc2> rocko: what are you trying to do?
[17:59] <rocko> well I already found out what I happened to do but I want to refine it
[17:59] <rocko> well ok here it goes
[18:00] <rocko> "grep -v '^\http'" oldfile.txt > newfile.txt removes the http that I want to not show up in the new text file lc2
[18:00] <rocko> but how do I had more to that list ?
[18:00] <rocko> i tried the -e option and no go
[18:00] <lc2> what do you want to add to that list?
[18:01] <rocko> other names that I want removed
[18:01] <lc2> oh, well, you just set up a pipeline
[18:01] <lc2> so
[18:01] <rocko> |
[18:01] <rocko> go on
[18:02] <lc2> grep -v http oldfile.txt | grep -v childpornography | grep -v whatever > newfile.txt
[18:02] <lc2> or whatever
[18:02] <rocko> so ok
[18:02] <rocko> I new how to do that
[18:02] <rocko> but I wanted to avoid that
[18:02] <rocko> because that is a lot of typing
[18:02] <rocko> even though with autocompletion
[18:02] <lc2> haha, well, deal with it
[18:03] <lc2> sorry
[18:03] <rocko> ok
[18:03] <rocko> I am also a basic bash scripter
[18:03] <rocko> I am going to be making a bash script that makes printable files even more printable
[18:03] <lc2> i'm pretty good at bash scripting
[18:03] <rocko> o you are
[18:04] <lc2> yessir
[18:04] <rocko> ok
[18:04] <SiDi> i really fear there'll be no new artwork for 9.04
[18:04] <rocko> by getting rid of http urls that are not needed
[18:04] <rocko> why do you say that SiDi ?
[18:05] <SiDi> on wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty there's almost nothing
[18:05] <rocko> lc2 I have a question with bash scripting
[18:05] <SiDi> 2 almost decent wallpapers, a recoded dust, and voila
[18:05] <rocko> how do you let wget know that you want to use the url next the the script you run ?
[18:06] <lc2> SiDi: i know a couple of people who are great with that kind of thign
[18:06] <lc2> thing*
[18:06] <lc2> rocko: be more specific
[18:06] <rocko> for example like you have a script that has the wget options and some other stuff after that how do you let it to know to use the url after this like so ./script.sh url ?
[18:06] <lc2> rocko: $1
[18:07] <SiDi> lc2: what theme are you using ?
[18:07] <lc2> so you go ./script.sh http://www.jailbaitsite.com/15yo.jpg
[18:07] <lc2> and your script would be like
[18:07] <lc2> #!/bin/sh
[18:07] <lc2> wget $1
[18:07] <lc2> SiDi: uhh let me check
[18:07] <rocko> ok thanks lc2
[18:08] <rocko> I wish people where more friendly to newbies
[18:08] <rocko> I asked in bash and no one answered my question
[18:08] <SiDi>  I wish i wasn't a newbie ;)
[18:08] <lc2> SiDi: industrial, apparently
[18:08] <rocko> well I am so of a newbie with bash scripting
[18:08] <rocko> but not with compiling stuff
[18:09] <stale> When I try to shutdown from the quit menu I just get to the GDM. how do I fix this?
[18:09] <rocko> yeah I was getting that too
[18:09] <rocko> but it stopped for some reason
[18:09] <lc2> mm.
[18:09] <rocko> it was with lxde
[18:09] <rocko> though not xfce
[18:10] <lc2> http://i42.tinypic.com/2e1var7.jpg
[18:10] <lc2> my desktop just now
[18:10] <lc2> 28pt fonts ftw
[18:10] <rocko> irssi is bad ass :D
[18:10] <lc2> yes it is
[18:10] <rocko> you use screen lc2 ?
[18:10] <lc2> rocko: nope
[18:10] <lc2> no need
[18:11] <lc2> irssi is the only terminal application i use
[18:11] <rocko> mp3blaster is pretty cool too
[18:11] <rocko> irssi mp3blaster rtorrent are pretty cool applications
[18:12] <SiDi> i gotta use a webchat T_T
[18:12] <rocko> thanks lc2 now I can make my printable script :D
[18:12] <SiDi> i'm so missing xchat & irssi
[18:12] <rocko> how so SiDi ?
[18:12] <rocko> you can use them on winblows too
[18:12] <rocko> and any *nix like os
[18:13] <SiDi> i'm on a proxified network
[18:13] <SiDi> and my server doesnt have teh internet anymore so no more ssh+irssi
[18:13] <rocko> what do you mean?
[18:13] <lc2> stale: i don't know your problem, but you can work around it by sudo poweroff
[18:13] <SiDi> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2174/capture2xj2.png here's my desktop
[18:13] <rocko> why is that SiDi
[18:13] <stale> lc2, yeah i'll do that. thanks
[18:14] <lc2> SiDi: nice theme you got going on
[18:14] <SiDi> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Elegant+Brit+Firefox+theme+(WIP)?content=98656
[18:14] <SiDi> rocko: because i live at university :(
[18:14] <lc2> stale: i'd be interested to know anything you've changed to make that happen, though
[18:14] <SiDi> that's also why i can't cook
[18:14] <rocko> is this bad grep http* mozilla.txt | rm http*
[18:14] <lc2> i'm mostly concerned about speed with the themes i use, i have a 1.4ghz athlon with 384mb ram :/
[18:14] <rocko> whoops
[18:15] <rocko> wrong paste
[18:15] <lc2> rocko: it still is :P
[18:15] <rocko> sorry
[18:15] <SiDi> bleh the url of the firefox theme failed
[18:15] <SiDi> i still has a shitload of work on it, it really sucks by now, but i'm just lost with FF theming
[18:15] <rocko> did wrong paste
[18:15] <lc2> forgiven
[18:15] <stale> lc2, nah it's been like this since i had a clean install. a friend of mine with same laptop (asus eee 1000h) has the same problem
[18:15] <lc2> SiDi: i don't theme firefox, i like it just how it is
[18:15] <lc2> stale: very interesting
[18:15] <SiDi> lc2: it looked poor with this theme so i thought about a few changes ;P
[18:16] <lc2> stale: are you logged in as an administrator user?
[18:16] <rocko> sakura kicks ass :D
[18:16] <lc2> i.e. does your user have adminstrative privileges?
[18:16] <stale> lc2, nope, just a sudo user
[18:16] <rocko> it is really easy to compile too
[18:16] <lc2> stale: yeah that's what i meant
[18:16] <rocko> I might make a package for it in ubuntu
[18:17] <rocko> sakura is a light weight terminal
[18:17] <rocko> really light weight
[18:17] <lc2> stale: users who can't grab root privileges, might have issues shutting down, since the kernel sees shutting down as a privileged operation
[18:17] <lc2> (unix heritage kicking in)
[18:17] <rocko> has only two dependencies
[18:17] <lc2> rocko: i use rxvt
[18:17] <SiDi> rocko: it can be a bad thing, if the deps are kubuntu-desktop + openoffice-core
[18:18] <stale> lc2, makes sence. you know how to fix it?
[18:18] <rocko> no
[18:18] <lc2> mostly because that's what i've been using since 2001 ;P
[18:18] <rocko> it is desktop independent
[18:18] <rocko> I like to use light weight applications that are desktop independent
[18:18] <SiDi> i like to use fat apps =) i use gnome-terminal under xubuntu
[18:18] <rocko> I see
[18:18] <rocko> why
[18:19] <rocko> it slow
[18:19] <lc2> stale: what's your username on your system?
[18:19] <rocko> stale to shutdown from terminal do
[18:19] <rocko> sudo shutdown -h now
[18:19] <forces> saluton
[18:19] <rocko> saluton forces
[18:20] <rocko> kiel vi fartas?
[18:20] <stale> lc2, stale
[18:20] <lc2> stale: grep stale /etc/group
[18:20] <lc2> do that for me
[18:20] <forces> rocko, o7
[18:20] <rocko> huh?
[18:20] <lc2> rocko: type that
[18:21] <rocko> what is what o7 means lc2 ?
[18:21] <rocko> type that?
[18:21] <stale> adm:x:4:stale
[18:21] <stale> dialout:x:20:stale
[18:21] <stale> cdrom:x:24:stale
[18:21] <stale> plugdev:x:46:stale
[18:21] <stale> lpadmin:x:112:stale
[18:21] <stale> admin:x:120:stale
[18:21] <stale> stale:x:1000:
[18:21] <stale> sambashare:x:122:stale
[18:21] <lc2> okay
[18:21] <rocko> stale you should use a pastebin
[18:21] <rocko> please
[18:21] <knome> !pastebin
[18:21] <lc2> at a terminal
[18:21] <lc2> sudo chmod 775 /sbin/reboot
[18:22] <lc2> sudo chmod 775 /sbin/shutdown
[18:22] <rocko> forces cxu vi parolas la esperantan lingvon?
[18:22] <lc2> sudo chown root:stale /sbin/reboot
[18:22] <lc2> sudo chown root:stale /sbin/shutdown
[18:22] <lc2> and for good measure..
[18:22] <lc2> sudo chmod 775 /sbin/init
[18:22] <lc2> sudo chown root:stale /sbin/init
[18:22] <forces> :O??? saluton?
[18:22] <forces> xD
[18:22] <lc2> tell me what happens
[18:24] <stale> ok, done it. should I try to shutdown now?
[18:24] <lc2> yeah give it a shot
[18:24] <stale> ok. thanks for your help :)
[18:26] <lc2> well, either i just hosed his system or it takes him this long to reboot, lol ;/
[18:30] <SiDi> :p
[18:32] <SiDi> Omg i got 830 MB used atm
[18:49] <lc2> SiDi: mm?
[18:50] <SiDi> RAM
[18:50] <SiDi> 830 MB Ram.
[18:50] <SiDi> I don't have swap tho
[18:50] <lc2> Mem:    385528k total,   380172k used,     5356k free,     2224k buffers
[18:50] <lc2> Swap:   875500k total,   427132k used,   448368k free,    65856k cached
[18:50] <SiDi> :)
[18:50] <SiDi> 4GB ram here
[18:51] <lc2> 384mb ram here ;/
[18:52] <SiDi> ;)
[18:52] <SiDi> thats the upside of vista
[18:52] <SiDi> now all pcs have 4gb ram
[18:53] <SiDi> people buyin vista get pwnt cause they get 32bit versions and play €100 for an os that doesnt recognise their hardware. and i get 4gb and can forget about swap :D
[18:53] <SiDi> thus i got much less rw access on my HDD
[19:00] <rocko> lc2 what gives
[19:00] <rocko> it is still giving me the same problem
[19:00] <rocko> trying ot install what has already been installed
[19:00] <lc2> mmm :/
[19:00] <rocko> I know it was successful
[19:01] <rocko> because when I do sudo apt-get update it would install those updates if it was not
[19:01] <rocko> I do "sudo apt-get update" sudo apt-get -f install sudo apt-get autoremove sudo apt-get check
[19:01] <rocko> and nothing seems to work :(
[19:02] <rocko> I do sudo apt-get clean a lot do you think it might have to do with something like tha t
[19:02] <rocko> I tried reconfiguring update-manager and synaptic with dpkg and still no go
[19:02] <rocko> it still gives me the same crap
[19:06] <SiDi> sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:06] <SiDi> update updates the list of updates, upgrade installs them
[19:08] <rocko> are you sure SiDi
[19:08] <SiDi> i am
[19:08] <SiDi> i install all my apps via command line
[19:08] <rocko> when I would do update in the past it would install the updates
[19:09] <SiDi> if you spam apt-get update then you just refresh the list of packages in the cache :)
[19:09] <rocko> upgrade installs the next version of the distro
[19:09] <SiDi> your memory betrayed you
[19:09] <SiDi> we use dist-upgrade for dist-upgrades ;P
[19:09] <rocko> I see
[19:10] <SiDi> maybe its not the same in debian/ubuntu but still, i always had to use upgrade for upgrading
[19:10] <rocko> I see thanks
[19:10] <rocko> I forgot
[19:10] <SiDi> its upgrade in debian too ;)
[19:10] <rocko> yeah
[19:10] <SiDi> finally there wasnt any bug hehe
[19:10] <rocko> well yes
[19:10] <rocko> there was
[19:11] <rocko> update-manager would not allow me to do updates
[19:11] <rocko> but apt-get is
[19:11] <rocko> probably has to do with something with maybe switching desktop environments
[19:12] <rocko> I am using xfce now
[19:12] <rocko> lxde does not seem to install updates automatically
[19:12] <rocko> well I hope I have not been owned
[19:13] <rocko> because of not updating for all most a week so far
[19:13] <rocko> I am not a bug report type person
[19:13] <SiDi> hm btw do you have some launchpad PPA in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[19:13] <slow-motion> hi
[19:14] <rocko> why do you ask SiDi ?
[19:14] <SiDi> on lxde you need to add "update-notifier"
[19:14] <rocko> o i see
[19:14] <SiDi> because recently they changed something in their GPG keys stuff and it just fails all time for me since then
[19:14] <SiDi> hi slow-motion
[19:14] <slow-motion> hi SiDi
[19:14] <SiDi> i need to get a true internet connection time to get the GPG keys so that it doesnt bug me each time i wanna update
[19:14] <rocko> I do not have any launchpad in sources as far as I know
[19:15] <SiDi> ok nvm then :)
[19:15] <SiDi> well i'm leaving, high time to eat
[19:15] <rocko> see you later SiDi
[19:15] <SiDi> finishing my tetris party before tho
[19:15] <rocko> have a very good french DAY?
[19:15] <SiDi> rarely been so far xD
[19:15] <rocko> in FRANCE
[19:16] <SiDi> well, days aint good in france atm ;)
[19:16] <rocko> french accents are HOT :D
[19:16] <rocko> women french accents :D
[19:16] <rocko> how so SiDi ?
[19:16] <rocko> what happened ?
[19:16] <rocko> well you could tell me after you eat
[19:16] <SiDi> happened that french people dont use their brains
[19:16] <rocko> I see
[19:17] <rocko> with politics ?
[19:17] <SiDi> we have a silly fascist gov, and everyone doing nonsense and letting crappy stuff be setup
[19:17] <SiDi> oh yes
[19:17] <rocko> economics
[19:17] <SiDi> and weather is bad, too :(
[19:17] <rocko> not good
[19:17] <SiDi> economics, its been since the 70's
[19:17] <rocko> weather is good here
[19:17] <SiDi> well im living in the very little part of france in which its meant to ALWAYS be good
[19:17] <rocko> economics has been good since the 70's ?
[19:17] <SiDi> and we've had rain & clouds for a good month
[19:18] <SiDi> has been bad *
[19:18] <rocko> I see
[19:18] <rocko> do you live in the 70's
[19:18] <SiDi> france's economy is completely dead. and we're losing 200 billions / year to the pocket of aristocracy
[19:18] <rocko> or did you just learn that in history class?
[19:18] <SiDi> i didnt learn that at school ;)
[19:18] <SiDi> just watching the economical stats
[19:19] <rocko> to the elite you are losing money what else elites have been doing that through history
[19:20] <rocko> *throughout history
[19:20] <rocko> power corrupts people usually
[19:21] <rocko> seems to be human nature almost
[19:21] <SiDi> not much ;)
[19:21] <SiDi> well, if there had to be elites, i'd higly appreciate if they werent hereditary
[19:21] <lc2> heriditary powers don't do that much damage
[19:21] <SiDi> well i'm leavin for real now
[19:21] <SiDi> hungry sidi
[19:21] <rocko> ok see you later
[19:21] <SiDi> hereditary governance of the industry, economy, political life, lc2 :)
[19:34] <rocko> lc2 configuring network failed do you know what the problem might be ?
[19:35] <rocko> I have my network configured manually
[19:35] <lc2> it depends on what the error was
[19:35] <lc2> why are you configuring it manually?
[19:35] <rocko> it fails on bootup
[19:35] <rocko> because
[19:35] <rocko> dchp is unsafe
[19:35] <rocko> also I use
[19:35] <rocko> different dns servers
[19:36] <rocko> than isps
[19:36] <lc2> mmm what?
[19:36] <rocko> what is the what
[19:38] <lc2> the dhcp being unsafe thing
[19:38] <rocko> well any one can connect then
[19:38] <rocko> from wifi
[19:38] <rocko> too
[19:38] <rocko> I use 802.x security
[19:39] <lc2> ah
[19:39] <lc2> idk
[19:39] <rocko> 802.1x
[19:39] <lc2> gtg
[19:42] <rocko> help
[19:43] <rocko> on boot up it hangs at mta
[20:08] <Mood> is wine running on a 1.2 GHz Pentium 3 w/ xubuntu going to run as slow as molasses?
[20:09] <rocko> I have 1.2 ghz
[20:09] <rocko> whoops I mean 1.6 ghz
[20:09] <Mood> you have wine running?
[20:10] <rocko> and it is not slow
[20:10] <Mood> does it run in a bordered window?
[20:10] <rocko> you can have it in both
[20:10] <Mood> no need to reboot?
[20:10] <rocko> either bordered window or in its own window
[20:10] <rocko> no
[20:11] <Mood> does it have lots of daemon dependencies that would be a pain in the butt to uninstall if i'm not satisfied?
[21:02] <thomashartman1> If I drag a file into a directory on my desktop, looks like a copy gets created but the original is still on my desktop. how do I drag-n-drop?
[21:55] <domenic> hey, im trying to ae a shutfown script, what is the shutdown command
[21:56] <knome> domenic, shutdown -h now
[21:56] <domenic> it dosent work in my script
[21:56] <knome> you need sudo
[21:57] <knome> i think.
[21:57] <domenic> as it requires sudo
[21:57] <domenic> yeah but how can i do thet becuz i then need to input my pswd
[21:57] <domenic> and i dnt realluy want it to ask for root pswd to shutdown...
[21:58] <knome> it is not *root* password, it's your password.
[21:58] <knome> http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/315/how-to-shutdown-and-reboot-without-sudo-password/
[21:59] <domenic> yeah i know but you know what i neant
[21:59] <knome> see the link. that should help you.
[21:59] <domenic> thanks
[22:05] <wips> I'm trying to make a keyboard shortcut to open the xfce terminal, but it's asking for a command. Can anyone help me?
[22:06] <knome> xfce4-terminal
[22:06] <wips> Thank you
[22:06] <knome> ...is the command
[22:06] <knome> np
[22:07] <wips> And one more thing.. In ubuntu there's another terminal, it has white background. Can I somehow install it in xubuntu?
[22:07] <wips> I know I can change the background in the xfce4-terminal, but it doesnt fit with the colorschemes in vim then I think
[22:08] <knome> gnome-terminal?
[22:08] <wips> ok :)
[22:08] <knome> that is the default for gnome.
[22:09] <knome> but it's relatively heavy.
[22:09] <wips> so I should stick with the xfce one?
[22:09] <knome> yes.
[22:10] <knome> i'm not telling you not to use gnome-terminal, i just told that you are aware of that :)
[22:13] <wips> Ohwell, I was wrong about changing the background in the xfce terminal anyway
[22:18] <knome> ;)
[22:18] <knome> i have heavily modified colors anyway
[22:19] <knome> http://emonk.fi/tiedostot/kuvat/irssi-brownish.png
[22:19] <knome> http://emonk.fi/tiedostot/kuvat/htop-brownish.png
[22:22] <domenic> i cant get
[22:22] <domenic> sudo visudo to work
[22:22] <domenic> it wont let me type
[22:22] <AlexPersimmon> hihi how do I set hotkeys to change kb layout with new xorg.conf
[22:24] <knome> domenic, try sudo nano /etc/sudoers
[22:25] <knome> AlexPersimmon, see http://ubuntu.sabza.org/2006/10/13/xubuntu-easily-switch-keyboard-layout/
[22:26] <domenic> thanks heaps guys
[22:28] <AlexPersimmon> thanks, and why http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin shows that there is an option for hotkey and in my applet there is not?
[22:28] <knome> AlexPersimmon, maybe you have an outdated version (vs. the one described in the website)?
[22:30] <AlexPersimmon> I`m on intrepid, doubt that any distro has a later version of xfce in its repos...
[22:31] <knome> AlexPersimmon, we actually have 4.6 rc1 in jaunty repos ;)
[22:31] <slow-motion> n8
[22:32] <AlexPersimmon> jaunty is unstable?
[22:32] <knome> AlexPersimmon, yes. i'm asking an xfce developer for this.
[22:32] <knome> but it looks like the paanel plugin is the same, so it should be available in 4.4 if it's in 4.6
[22:32] <AlexPersimmon> for this - for layout changer? thank you very much, it`s long overdue!
[22:33] <knome> yep.
[22:34] <AlexPersimmon> ok I`ve done as instructed, how do I launch the script without rebooting?
[22:36] <knome> AlexPersimmon, run 'fixkeyboard' in terminal.
[22:37] <knome> AlexPersimmon, the hotkey is there at least in 4.6RC1. the developer didn't know about 4.4
[22:38] <AlexPersimmon> alex@1525:~$ fixkeyboard
[22:38] <AlexPersimmon> bash: /usr/bin/fixkeyboard: Permission denied
[22:38] <AlexPersimmon> alex@1525:~$ sudo fixkeyboard
[22:38] <AlexPersimmon> sudo: fixkeyboard: command not found
[22:38] <AlexPersimmon> alex@1525:~$
[22:38] <AlexPersimmon> ouch sorry if copypaste isnt allowed
[22:38] <knome> AlexPersimmon, chmod +x /usr/bin/fixkeyboard
[22:39] <AlexPersimmon> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[22:39] <AlexPersimmon> thanx :D
[22:39] <knome> np.
[22:40] <AlexPersimmon> would it work with reboot and without permission change?
[22:40] <knome> actually i doubt so. the file needs to be runable.
[22:40] <AlexPersimmon> jeez such a relief, it was so much pain! will 4.6 be in intrepid?
[22:41] <knome> i think it will be backported yes, but we are working to get it by default to jaunty.
[22:42] <AlexPersimmon> and jaunty is indeed unstable? I thought ubuntu pushes the current version and fixes it on the fly so there is no unstable, is it that bad?
[22:43] <TheSheep> !release
[22:44] <knome> AlexPersimmon, that is partly true. many things are fixed in intrepid, which is current. but lot of work is done with jaunty, which will be released in april. many of those things won't be intrepid at least at the same time as jaunty.
[22:44] <knome> dang! is the ubuntu wiki down?
[22:44] <knome> or is it just slower than usual
[22:44] <knome> (how can that be?)
[22:46] <AlexPersimmon> after the forum being down for like a week, I wouldnt be surprised
[22:47] <knome> AlexPersimmon, see http://xubuntu.org/contribute and have a look if there is anything you are interested in. and feel free to hang out at #xubuntu and help out people if you know how to. :)
[22:47] <AlexPersimmon> and now debian testing is at the same xfce as intrepid, that sad, If only those debianistas would bitch about the firefox...
[22:48] <AlexPersimmon> well I wish I could, but I`m long past my hacker days so I barely remember even basic commands
[22:48] <knome> i'm impressed by midori getting 100/100 from acid3 browser test and definitely am waiting for something > 0.2
[22:48] <AlexPersimmon> so I concentrate on recruiting new users
[22:48] <TheSheep> most help is very basic
[22:49] <knome> yeah. and any help, even a tiny tiny bit, is really welcome
[22:49] <knome> and off other peoples shoulders
[22:51] <AlexPersimmon> *starting to think of himself as a weight on some1s shoulders* well I guess I gotta go sleep now so I get a grad degree in economics and then help with donations, you know, comparative advantage and all that stuff...thanks again, cu
[23:00] <InvaderZim> all: running xubuntu 8.10.  it's been working great, and I'm pleased.  It's my first experience with Linux and I'm in love.  but today I realized that my music player(Listen) isn't working right.  what do I do to make it so?
[23:00] <InvaderZim> all: Listen won't change views or play music
[23:01] <TheSheep> liek it's frozen?
[23:01] <TheSheep> like*
[23:02] <InvaderZim> TheSheep: yeah.
[23:02] <TheSheep> what happens if you run it from terminal? any messages?
[23:02] <InvaderZim> TheSheep: hmm, I wonder.  hold on
[23:05] <InvaderZim> Error grabbing keys 171 thru 174 and 209
[23:05] <InvaderZim> location: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.5/libxpcom.so
[23:05] <InvaderZim> before 3
[23:06] <TheSheep> that's just hotkeys, they are optional
[23:07] <InvaderZim> TheSheep: I also have a blank window open in my second workspace thingee which is supposedly Listen running
[23:07] <InvaderZim> well. it's stuck then, it won't do anything or let me manipulate it
[23:07] <InvaderZim> I can't close this blank window
[23:07] <TheSheep> go to system->system monitor, find it in the list and kill
[23:08] <TheSheep> just like on windows :)
[23:08] <InvaderZim> otay
[23:10] <InvaderZim> well, i killed it in the system monitor, but the window continues to sit there...mocking me...
[23:11] <InvaderZim> maybe i should finally junk this thing and buy an xbox
[23:11] <InvaderZim> put xubuntu on that
[23:11] <TheSheep> depends on what you want to do with it
[23:11] <TheSheep> press alt+ctrl+esc and click on the window
[23:11] <InvaderZim> listen to music, watch movies, learn more about linux
[23:12] <TheSheep> I think it's easier on a pc
[23:12] <InvaderZim> awesome
[23:12] <InvaderZim> !
[23:12] <InvaderZim> that worked!
[23:12] <TheSheep> :)
[23:12] <TheSheep> make sure there are no leftovers in the system monitor
[23:12] <InvaderZim> i wonder i i start listen upagain, if it will gimme the same prob
[23:13] <InvaderZim> leftovers? lemme chek
[23:14] <InvaderZim> /usr/lib/listen....would that be something i should kill too?
[23:15] <TheSheep> yes
[23:15] <InvaderZim> by the way, before i forget to...thank you so much thesheep
[23:15] <TheSheep> no problem :)
[23:15] <TheSheep> I think getting to see why listen hung is a little bit more complicated
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> I thought that Listen was a bit more buggy than Rhythmbox. although, it is probably a lot lighter...
[23:17] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: not taht light if you count all the daemons it brings up
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> so it is not much lighter than Rhythmbox?
[23:17] <TheSheep> I never measured
[23:18] <TheSheep> seems as slow and clunky :)
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> yeah, it kinda did...
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> i'm a moc fan anyways. :P
[23:18] <TheSheep> moc?
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> Music On Console
[23:19] <InvaderZim> it's opening ok, but still looks funny, not like it did originally
[23:19] <TheSheep> InvaderZim: try deleting the .listen directory from your home directory
[23:19] <TheSheep> InvaderZim: it's hidden, so you have to press ctrl+h first
[23:20] <InvaderZim> um, ok, how do i do that?  with terminal?
[23:20] <TheSheep> of ocurse, do it while LIsten is *not* running :)
[23:20] <durt> I prefer MPD and a light front-end
[23:21] <TheSheep> InvaderZim: well, open your hime directory, press ctrl+h (or select 'show hidden files' fro mtheview menu), then you will see it
[23:21] <TheSheep> durt: yeah, but mpd tends to hang taking 100% cpu after waking up from suspend
[23:22] <durt> did not know that, I don't suspend on my desktop
[23:22] <TheSheep> I'm a great fan of mpd
[23:23] <durt> I miss xmms
[23:23] <InvaderZim> otay deleted it
[23:23] <InvaderZim> nw what?
[23:24] <TheSheep> InvaderZim: try running listen again
[23:24] <TheSheep> InvaderZim: all its settings were in there, so now it should start fresh
[23:27] <InvaderZim> awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[23:27] <InvaderZim> k, gotta go