[00:08] interesting question from the kmymoney2-devel list: [00:09] say they port kmymoney to kde4/qt4, what happens to those using kde3, [00:09] as in how hard would it be to run kde4 app in kde3 [00:12] sorry that was kmymoney2-user mailing list [00:21] I ran some kde4 stuff in KDE3 in Hardy and it was fine, but we explicitly packaged for co-installability. [00:25] ScottK: thats what I thought [00:26] btw in a quickie poll in that ml, 5 out of 8 were using kde4 [00:26] one or both main devs still run it [00:26] run kde3 rather [00:27] It's too late even to get into Debian with a new KDE3 version and I don't think any other distro is slower. [00:27] KDE4 is the future. [00:27] yup [00:27] Konversation waited to switch to support KDE3 longer and look where they are now (not on our CD anymore). [00:27] they are basically waiting to get a 1.0 release out first [00:28] hopefully they can just port the gui to kde4 and then add fancier bits after [00:28] they are wary of the amarok2 situation (missing things from the last version) [00:28] Well it just depends on libs, so it'll be fine for a while. [00:29] yeah [00:39] * ScottK points to http://alioth.debian.org/~pusling-guest/kde-policy.pdf and suggests engagement to make sure we can live with it (since we'll have to maintain any diff) [00:39] Riddell: ^^ [00:42] ScottK waves. [01:20] * Hobbsee tests [01:54] er, i think i have a bug in jaunty. the power management capabilities according to kde don't include cpu frequency scaling, but when i run powertop, it says my CPU is currently scaled down from its rated 2GHz to 600MHz [02:01] tonio, the desktop file was not fixed upstream [02:04] sigh, there are a lot more changes in kdenlive than are in the changelog [02:10] maco: do you have a screenshot of the capability list in kde? [02:16] New quassel after the next publisher run. [02:23] * a|wen really need to test out quassel soon [02:43] rgreening: to disable smoke try commenting out line 57 of kdebinding's main cmakelists.txt [02:43] then remove all the smoke packaging [02:43] ok. [02:44] I thought those were the two things. just wasn't sure. Is smoke needed or important? [02:44] JontheEchidna: ^ [02:44] on jaunty, if powertop says my CPU is currently scaled down but power devil says my cpu is incapable of being scaled, is that a powerdevil bug or something lower down? [02:44] We don't use it for anything (smoke) [02:45] ScottK: ok. ty [02:45] maco: One way to tell is to install guidance-power-manager and see what it thinks. If it thinks it can be scaled, I'd blame powerdevil [02:45] will try [02:46] JontheEchidna: Do I need to patch CMakeLists.txt or is there a switch I can pass in the rules file? [02:46] hmm [02:46] patching probably would be the way to go [02:46] ok. [02:47] ScottK: the little battery applet says its scaled to 600mhz just like powertop does. [02:47] the ruby bindings need smoke [02:47] right clicking that thing says "guidance power manager" ...is that what you mean? [02:47] so don't let apachelogger catch you :P [02:47] maco: Yes. [02:47] but it's not anything vital [02:47] * rgreening goes to patch and rebuild kdebindings [02:48] maco: I'd blame powerdevil then (kdebase-workspace) [02:48] Could I get a sponsor for kde4libs? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu [02:48] maco: please include a screenshot of the capability list and the output of running lshal [02:49] testbuilt in my ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa [02:49] a|wen: ok [02:50] JontheEchidna: Looking [02:50] thanks [02:51] >< i dont have kdebase-workspace installed [02:52] but i do have a "Power Management" option in System Settings and its Help page opens Power Devil's help.. [02:52] maco: kdebase-workspace is the name of the source package [02:52] oh ok [02:52] that's the name you need to look for in launchpad [02:52] i was going to include apt-cache policy's output [02:53] JontheEchidna: do I need to comment smoke out of cmakelists.txt.php-qt|qtruby|qyoto as well [02:53] :( apt-cache policy powerdevil ALSO says not installed. [02:53] powerdevil isn't its own separate package in jaunty [02:53] it's part of kdebase-workspace, spread about several binary packages [02:54] rgreening: dunno [02:54] do you know what binary package? or should i just not include a version string? [02:55] the kded plugin is in kdebase-workspace-bin [02:55] maco: kdebase-workspace-bin [02:55] the krunner runners are probably in kdebase-workspace-data [02:57] thanks [03:04] JontheEchidna: I'm still going to test build it (in progress). [03:04] ScottK: I understand :) [03:05] JontheEchidna: You might push it to kubuntu-experimental for intrepid. [03:05] * JontheEchidna thinks these could be the grave patches that Lure was talking about earlier [03:05] JontheEchidna: Also would you make sure the kdebluetooth I just uploaded today is in kubutu-experimental too? [03:06] sure [03:06] a|wen: Thanks for the clue on kdebluetooth. I fixed Jaunty and have an upload for intrepid-proposed pending. [03:08] ScottK: I can't see it [03:08] oh, you wanted me to upload it [03:08] Yes [03:08] * JontheEchidna is getting tired [03:08] ScottK: no problem ... sounds good; i've subscribed me to the new bug as well [03:09] a|wen: I appreciate you looking into it. [03:09] filed bug 324170 [03:09] Launchpad bug 324170 in kdebase-workspace "Power Devil says CPU is incapable of being scaled, but it's wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324170 [03:11] ugh [03:11] * JontheEchidna just remembered that now backporting to intrepid is actual work :P [03:12] JontheEchidna now knows why ScottK didn't just do it.... [03:12] ;-) [03:14] holy cow [03:14] what happened to kde4libs in the private ppa? [03:15] 4.2.0c? [03:16] * JontheEchidna filters down to intrepid [03:17] ok, so I just need to change the install paths for the docs [03:17] rgreening: oh might sed master... [03:17] *mighty [03:18] i can has sed? [03:18] JontheEchidna: which path needs to be changed to what? [03:19] if you take the jaunty packages, /usr/share/doc/kde needs to be changed to /usr/share/doc/kde4 [03:21] are there any /usr/share/doc/kde4 present now? [03:21] how ironic, the first screenshots of konversation-kde4 I find are from windows... http://saroengels.blogspot.com/2009/02/konsolidated.html [03:22] if not ... "s/\/usr\/share\/doc\/kde/\/usr\/share\/doc\/kde4/g" should do the trick [03:23] JontheEchidna: Part of why it's private is we don't know for sure if we have the final tarballs or not. [03:23] oh, so it changed a lot [03:24] JontheEchidna: ya [03:25] sed -i is easier [03:25] sed -i 's/doc\/kde4/doc\/kde/g' */install [03:25] so sed -i "s/\usr\/share\/doc\/kde/\usr\/share\/doc\/kde4/g" *.install? [03:25] sed -i 's/doc\/kde4/doc\/kde/g' *.install [03:25] oh, or that [03:25] JontheEchidna: ^^ [03:25] thx [03:25] np [03:26] JontheEchidna: you replaceing kde4 with kde or kde with kde4? [03:26] kde with kde4 [03:26] sed -i 's/doc\/kde/doc\/kde4/g' *.install [03:26] JontheEchidna: ^^ [03:27] I had it reversed [03:27] sed is your friend :) [03:28] * JontheEchidna is drowsy,a nd should probably check the debdiff [03:31] rgreening: are we trying to help or do we just confuse him now ;) [03:35] * a|wen heads off ... upcoming lecture [03:43] ScottK: I'll have to get kdebluetooth done in the morning [03:43] No problem [03:43] * JontheEchidna out [04:00] * Sput back from superbowl [04:00] Riddell: well, for USians it's at a normal time (i.e. ends around 23h which is a decent time even on a sunday) [04:00] for europeans, it totally sucks. [04:02] meh, also I hate my friends taking that event seriously. they made me drink Bud. Bud! in Germany! Imported from France! On the upside, they also had bacon and eggs.. [04:12] seele: GO STEELERS :) [04:12] (my friends told me I had to root for them, no idea why as I didn't really know any of the teams involved) [04:17] My step daughter was born in Pittsburg and is a huge Steelers fan, so live will be more pleasant here tomorrow for it. [04:18] live/life [04:21] :) [04:21] anyway [04:21] * Sput embeds [04:21] it's 5:21 already >_< [04:22] in 50 minutes my alarm clock is supposed to go [04:27] *yawn* [04:29] JontheEchidna: ping [04:30] He's sleeping. [04:34] WHOOOO GO STEELERS! [04:58] !quassel [04:58] Sorry, I don't know anything about quassel [04:58] We'll probably want one for that.... [05:00] * ScottK ^^^ [05:05] JontheEchidna: list missing has some man pages for you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/112650/ [05:05] I'm going to go ahead an upload, but please sort that out for the next one. === akonadi is now known as nihui [08:10] good morning from Berlin [08:15] Morning [08:42] * jussi01 waves to Riddell === r0uzic_ausente is now known as r0uzic [08:59] hmm, quassel seems to freeze on connect for me [09:01] Riddell: ouch, freeze as in die? or just for a min? [09:01] doesn't unfreeze yet [09:01] bleh [09:02] are you still running qt4.5? [09:02] * jussi01 prods Sput [09:02] or EgS [09:02] I am [09:03] Riddell: I remember there were a few things with 4.5, not been tested well, so that may be it I guess. [09:03] check for certain with Sput [09:05] could be indeed [09:09] Riddell: I managed to fix the s-c-p-k systemsettings crash yesterday :) [09:09] and merged your changes from the standalone branch [09:10] so it's lookig a lot healthier now [09:10] still several things that don't behave properly [09:11] but if you have anytime for it's probably worth working in that branch now [09:11] https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kcm-scpk [09:11] Arby: oh? [09:12] Arby: the threads in kcm stuff? [09:12] Arby: how? [09:12] Riddell: yes, you were right, I just removed all the threads [09:12] goodness [09:12] it's now a little sluggish [09:12] and not an ideal solution but at least it runs [09:13] I 'd like to fix it up as is for jaunty [09:13] and do something more elegant for jaunty+1 [09:15] I gave myself a huge headache last night trying to get the 'print test page' buttons working [09:15] so that's next on the list [09:16] I'm tempted to make a package and cajole people to test it [09:22] Arby: so you just replaced the threads with busycurors and processEvents() ? [09:22] Riddell: yes [09:22] well, busy cursors mostly [09:23] great, I didn't expect that to work :) [09:23] took me a few goes but it did work [09:23] and there were more threads than I thought :) [09:24] so I spent about 2hours tracing crashes from thread to thread [09:24] so there are now a few oddly named functions :) [09:24] foo_thread and not a thread is site :) [09:25] I wouldn't change the names, best to keep in line with the GTK version [09:25] that was my thinking too [09:25] helps me remember what I did in 6 months time too [09:28] Arby: am I right in thinking that kcm-scpk has a copy of the whole main file? [09:35] Riddell: yes I renamed it, seemed more consistent with what it is now [09:35] and is easier to type :) [09:35] change it back if you prefer for consistency [09:36] (with gtk) [09:36] I wonder if we should keep the option to run it standalone [09:36] That would be nice but it's a bit tricky [09:36] mm, probably not if it's any hassle [09:36] well it basically means maintaining 2 apps [09:37] there are quite a lot of changes necessary to make it behave as a kcm module [09:37] let's not then, hassle-- [09:38] good choice :) [09:38] it's mostly the class inheritance that's the issue [09:39] Riddell: I'm just doing some smoke testing came across this bug 324230 [09:39] Launchpad bug 324230 in kdebase-runtime "nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in librdf_hash_put()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324230 [09:39] the crash icon appears on the live desktop as soon as it has loaded [09:40] davmor2: mm, I think we've always had that in jaunty [09:40] was hoping it would fix itself :) [09:40] Riddell: It hasn't :) [09:42] davmor2: best mark it as high priority if you can [09:42] I doubt I'll get to it this week but it's obviously important [09:44] amarok, digikam, kdebluetooth all in main now [09:44] Riddell: I can't set importance :( [09:45] Riddell: I'll try them all out. New amarok should be able to read the db produce by ampache too shouldn't it? [09:46] umm, no idea [09:46] Nightrose ^^ ? [09:46] how many main inclusions do we have left then? [09:46] davmor2: give quassel a try too, that's our new IRC client [09:46] a|wen: packagekit needs a fix, so does network-manager plasmoid [09:47] a|wen: skanlite needs one written if you're in the mood :) [09:47] Riddell: I'm just trying the oem install I'll try the apps once it's up [09:47] we should be able to build with qedje now [09:48] Riddell: do we have a MIR stub somewhere? or an example from one of the other packages? [09:49] a|wen: MainInclusionReportTemplate [09:51] Riddell: i'll have a look a bit later [09:59] salut Tonio_ [09:59] hi Riddell :) [09:59] just saw the bug with pnm... [09:59] Riddell: should I patch for usr/lib/kde4 or create separate packge ? [09:59] Riddell: the libs are probably private btw... [09:59] Riddell: ara has set to high for me :) [10:00] Riddell: also, kmplayer is on revu, fyi :) [10:00] Like the new look desktop by the way, very pleasing on the eye :) [10:01] Riddell: anyway, I think splitting is probably easier... [10:01] let me ask pitti [10:02] Riddell: oki [10:03] Riddell: amarok is in main but not on the cd yet is that correct? [10:03] davmor2: right [10:04] Tonio_: what's the difference between kplayer and kmplayer ... seems pretty similar to me? [10:05] Riddell: Okay then that would explain the ? for the amarok icon then :) [10:05] a|wen: they were similar, both KDE3 versions were mplayer frontends [10:05] a|wen: but kmplayer also was xine compatible and has a kpart for embedded readin in konq [10:05] a|wen: there is the big difference :) [10:05] Tonio_: pitti says to ask upstream about if those libraries are public, have pined wstephenson [10:05] a|wen: on kde4, they use phonon [10:06] Riddell: okay I'll ping him right now [10:06] Riddell: or you'll do it ? (I'm not really available today... lots of work on my side, and I'm pretty broken [10:06] Riddell: I broke my left finger this WE [10:06] Tonio_: I have pinged him [10:06] ouch [10:07] Riddell: but I'll be at fosdem :) [10:07] yay [10:07] Riddell: just one finger is broken in fact, not a big deal, but it hurts :) [10:07] oh, okay ... kmplayer ~ kplayer++ [10:07] Riddell: if you can have a look at kmplayer, that would be good ;) packaging should be nice [10:07] hurting is a big deal [10:07] also, I'd like to get skrooge in the repos, that's really a super app, a package is ready on revu [10:08] Riddell: it is a kmymoney replacement [10:09] interesting name.. [10:11] Riddell: does it mean something special ? :) [10:12] Riddell: seen that konversation reached kde4 ? initial port at least [10:13] Tonio_: Scrouge is the mean character from Charles Dicken's A Christmas Carol, it means someone who doesn't like spending money [10:13] ah !! ;) [10:16] Tonio_: It's also the english name of "Oncle Picsou" :) [10:16] agateau: :) [10:17] hum, where does a /whois end up in quassel ? [10:17] seems to end up nowhere... [10:20] hum kdepim-dev is broken due to libboost transition.... [10:21] libboost-graph-dev is not installable [10:22] Tonio_: is kdepim-dev used for something? [10:22] Riddell: yeah, needed to build konversation :) [10:22] Riddell: and I suspect a couple of applications [10:22] Riddell: anyway the issue is between libboost-graph-dev and libboost-dev [10:23] Riddell: nothing to fix on the kdepim side, we just have to wait ;) [10:26] it needs changed to libboost1.35 [10:26] dunno why the -devs aren't being updated but they're not [10:26] < wstephenson> Riddell: they are shared between various NM-kde4 components, but they don' need to be versioned, that was just me C&Ping cmake code [10:26] Riddell: well it might just take up some time [10:26] Tonio_: so upstream will fix that p-n-m libs issue [10:26] Tonio_: I'll note that in the bug and promote to main [10:28] Riddell: great, I'll commit an update as soon as fixed... [10:29] Riddell: apt-cache show libboost-graph-dev <----- needs update I guess since it has a strict dep on 1.34 [10:30] ah....... it is the same package...... [10:32] Riddell: kdepim-dev should probably depend on libboost-graph1.35-dev then no ? [10:32] Riddell: that would fix the issue, but I don't like those kind of deps... hard to maintain... [10:37] Tonio_: yes [10:40] Riddell: I'm still having 2 issues on kub panel is short by a couple of inches on 1440x900 desktop. and oem is still screwed I'm currently working through every option I can think of for oem [10:40] panel is short? [10:40] it doesn't cover the whole of the bottom of the screen? [10:43] Riddell: Yes that's right short by about 2 inches I know it's minor and can be altered I think it just looks bad [10:43] Riddell: how is the internationalization status of skanlite ? ... launchpad doesn't seem to know about it, so it does not build a .pot i suppose? [10:44] Riddell: the issue with oem install cjwatson thinks is to do with kubuntu rather than the install process so you might want to look at it at the sprint :) [10:44] Riddell: it does contain a lot of translations by itself, though [10:48] a|wen: if it uses kde4.mk it should bulid a .pot [10:48] davmor2: did you get a backtrace or anything from the oem issue? [10:49] Riddell: oh thx, it does [10:50] Riddell: It doesn't seem to run kdm I just get a black screen after setting up end user I can upload any logs you need if you want [10:53] davmor2: Riddell: amarok 2 can connect to an ampache server, play songs from there and search in its collection - is that what you meant? [10:55] Nightrose: BigRon at our lug pointed out that amarok where using the same backend data model as ampache so amarok should be able to access the db directly I think [10:55] ehhh no [10:55] it is integrated as a service [10:55] and queries the ampache api [10:55] so whoever told you that is wrong [10:57] Nightrose: It could just be me misinterpreting what he was saying :) [10:57] Riddell: skanlite MIR https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportSkanlite [10:57] ;-) ok [10:58] Riddell: i haven't subscribed bug 324251 to anyone, i trust you to do that, when everything is as it should be :) [10:58] Launchpad bug 324251 in skanlite "main inclusion report for skanlite" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324251 [11:05] a|wen: is there a better bugs URL? [11:07] yes https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=Skanlite [11:08] updated wiki page [11:08] subscribed ubuntu-mit [11:08] subscribed ubuntu-mir [11:08] a|wen: excellent, thanks, ScottK will hug you for that [11:09] * ScottK groggily consults his scrollback.... [11:09] no problem ... i'm amazed that you only found one spot, as it is my first one :) [11:09] ScottK: skanlite MIR [11:11] * Riddell changes default konsole scheme to "Linux" from "DarkPastel" [11:14] a [11:14] a|wen: Great. I think that'll be good. [11:14] Riddell: How about MIR for dontzap? [11:14] ScottK: i agree [11:15] what is the status for having k3b in kde4-version in jaunty? [11:15] ScottK: it's in main [11:16] a|wen: word is that trueg is planning to give it some love soon [11:16] Riddell: Nevermind about that then. How about seeding it then? [11:16] a|wen: tonio has packages which he said worked for him (didn't for me) [11:16] Riddell: okay, cool ... then i probably don't need to care about doing a rebuild of that one withour arts :) [11:16] ScottK: better to add a Recommends [11:16] ScottK: I can do that now [11:17] Riddell: Sounds good. [11:17] Did we get the U/I bit integrated? I've lost track. [11:19] ScottK: yes it's been in for a while [11:19] Great. Then I think that's the last bit on that particular issue. [11:24] I did add it, thought I did, just needs kdebase-workspace rebuilt now that pimlibs installs === quassel181 is now known as ScottK-laptop [11:28] Tonio_: kdepim-dev fixed uploaded [11:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: omg.. long time ago :) - still preferring kde3 ? [11:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey, what are those stickers the topic mention ? [11:33] Riddell: can you confirm you actually got my sticker request? [11:35] This is a test (sorry for the disturbance). [11:41] _StefanS_: nope :) using kde4 NOW HEHE [11:41] oups [12:06] jussi01: yes I did [12:06] _StefanS_: you have to e-mail me your postal address [12:08] Riddell: excellent :) [12:08] thank you [12:09] seele: new volunteer to help on kpackagekit ui :) [12:11] <_StefanS_> Riddell: alright, I will do that [12:25] Tonio_: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3873 [12:31] Tonio_: kmplayer pacakging seems fine === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [12:48] oooh, can has kde-ified this one? http://code.google.com/p/gnome-pulse-applet/wiki/Screenshots [12:52] gtk-qt-engine in jaunty hasn't dependences defined [13:02] Tonio_: is the build based on the debian package (they have kde4 in experimental) so we might be able to get back in sync/merge eventually? [13:02] of kmplayer === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-lunch [13:13] EagleScreen: good, that's the intention [13:16] I supuse you are reviewing dependences and you will set it again in the future, or not? [13:16] Riddell: so, how's one supposed to get a nice looking firefox under KDE? [13:29] Tonio_: yes! who is it? [13:29] Tonio_: rgreening? [13:31] Hobbsee: I find this theme helps: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574 [13:34] JontheEchidna: I think i used a similar one previously, but it only changed the icons and such, not the rest of the window [13:34] * Hobbsee will check later, though [13:35] oh, you also need to install libbonoboui2-0 [13:35] for gtk-qt-engine to work [13:38] last I checked firefox installed everything gtk-qt-engine required [13:38] but that was in intrepid [13:42] Installing libbonoboui2-0 definitely makes it look different (on Intrepid). [13:42] I'm not sure it's better. [13:42] I may have lost that when I removed ubufox though [13:44] JontheEchidna: What was the other package like that? The one that looked better, but is in Universe (great description, I know.) [13:47] do we plan to keep basket in jaunty? [13:47] * a|wen needs to fix, if we do [13:48] ScottK: gtk-kde4 maybe? [13:48] a|wen: what needs fixing? [13:48] * ScottK tries ... [13:48] a|wen: no plans to get rid of it so far [13:48] Riddell: after libs rebuild without arts basket broke [13:49] so, had a meeting with security team, they're ok supporting mysql 5.1 in amarok so long as we build them from the same source package [13:49] a|wen: oh aye, what does it use arts for? [13:50] Riddell: it can play soundfiles if i remember correctly... so probably part of that [13:50] ScottK: so we want the latest kdebluetooth in jaunty backported to kubuntu-experimental? [13:50] Yes [13:50] ok [13:50] It's that or tell people to get it from intrepid-proposed and I think that's more confusing. [13:51] Riddell: might be other kde3 apps that is broken as well ... but haven't heard of any until now [13:51] hmmmmh [13:52] so, what am I doing wrong when apt-get says "build-dependencies for kdemultimedia cannot be satisfied" [13:52] kubuntu-experimental in intrepid that is [13:53] satisfy apt, or he will punish you. [13:53] I have no idea why it isn't satisfied [13:54] and apparently I don't know how I can get more verbose message out of it [13:55] Tm_T: install the packages yourself and see what doesn't install [13:55] Riddell: rrrh, aye sir [13:56] mr. bug master JontheEchidna: can you remember seeing any bugs about "error while loading shared libraries: libartskde.so.1" when $program starts [13:57] there was one about basket [13:57] I marked it as a dupe of the main remove aRts bug [13:57] JontheEchidna: okay ... please let me know if you see any others (or add them to the bottom of the wiki-page about it) [13:58] oh cool, kdebluetooth is a no-changes backport [13:59] JontheEchidna: does it work? [14:00] does what work? [14:00] bluetooth? [14:00] * JontheEchidna would suggest asking ScottK and a|wen about that [14:01] Riddell: Works some. Isn't perfect. Much better than we had before. [14:01] JontheEchidna: seems to work okay (intrepid + kde4.2 + kdebluetooth from intrepid-proposed + obex-data-server) === davmor2-lunch is now known as davmor2 [14:01] a|wen: And the one from Jaunty is the same as -proposed [14:02] Plust the depens on obex-data-server [14:02] uploaded to experimental [14:02] * JontheEchidna out to exercise dog [14:02] * a|wen have it crash every time he shuts down or suspends in kde4.2 ... doesn't happen with kde4.1.4 though) [14:02] Riddell: There's a kdebluetooth waiting to be accepted that fixes the depends issue for intrepid-proposed. [14:03] Riddell: If you see pitti, would you mind asking him to accept it? [14:03] ScottK: will do [14:03] Riddell: Thanks. [14:03] he's out the room jus tnow [14:03] but his laptop isn't [14:12] ;-) [14:25] do I want another chocolate muffin? [14:25] I have this nasty habit when there's free food and drink around of eating and drinking it [14:26] Riddell: go ahead [14:27] oh, no... libboost transition, so basket can not be build [14:29] a|wen: what does it depenmd on? [14:30] Riddell: something down the chain depends on bcp ... which gives me the problem it seems [14:30] a|wen: work out what it is and we can fix it [14:31]